Racial Gaps in Michigan Exam Results a Concern

[Anonymous No.4824258]

Can science solve the racial intelligence gap?

>Michigan educators have spent years trying to address the persistent gap in achievement between white and minority students, but Michigan Merit Exam results released Thursday provided troubling news: The gap keeps widening.

>“We need to end this disparity in education, and we need to do this together as a state,” Flanagan said.

>“We are very concerned about (the gaps),” said Jeanne Farina, assistant superintendent for instructional services. District and building equity teams are looking at the gaps, she said, “and digging deep into the data to find out where did they start to fail and what we can do about it.”

http://amren.com/news/2012/06/racial-gaps-in-michigan-exam-results-a-concern/

[Anonymous No.4824268]

I think it's obvious why blacks and latinos are doing poorly compared to whites or asians. Their popular culture is trash. As far as african american culture is concerned, it is a culture of victimization that promotes violence as a solution to any conflict or challenge, glorifies material wealth, romanticizes poverty and tough living conditions, and shuns education. Family values are practically non-existent, parenting is laissez-faire, and the diets of kids are usually poor.

That being said, IQ is not a good way to measure intelligence, and test scores are not everything. I find it depressing that test scores are held in such high regard in the US. Numbers seem to matter, not critical thinking. Instead of letting good teachers teach, the government gives them lesson plans and restricts their activities in the classroom. Creativity, critical thinking, self discovery...etc all these are being pushed aside for better results on paper. We're making the US education system so much more...Asian.

[Anonymous No.4824271]

Things like AA will never end because NAMs will always perform below whites and asians and since certain groups refuse to accept that it is genetic the only accepted theory is phantom racism causing blacks to fail at no matter what they do.

[Anonymous No.4824279]

>>4824268
This. There might be genetic differences between races, but minorities grow up in such shitty environments idolizing the scum of the earth that they dont even stand a chance..

[Anonymous No.4824281]

>>4824271
>>4824271
You should define your acronyms before you use them or people won't understand you.

Do you consider yourself a racist or a racialist?

[Anonymous No.4824282]

>>4824268
>Creativity, critical thinking, self discovery...etc all these are being pushed aside for better results on paper. We're making the US education system so much more...Asian.

I know that feel, bro. No wait, you don't know that feel. You will never know the feel of being an outcast because you got A- instead of A.

Fun fact: A Chinese student hang herself in Mudlaysia because of the above reason. The news never made to public because it might tarnish the uni's reputation. But, yeah, I've seen the photos.

[Anonymous No.4824285]

>>4824268
What causes their popular culture to be trash? What is the solution?

[Anonymous No.4824290]

I'm a Latino and I can personally vouch for the negative effects our cultural influence has on us. My entire family other than my sisters and myself have no ambition in life whatsoever beyond partying and going to church, both of which are typically family centered events. We only escaped because our parents didn't teach us Spanish (which they regret). Growing up in L.A. I was surrounded by other Latinos but could not really connect with them on the level I would have if we had shared the second language. This forced me to seek out non-Spanish speakers. Since the black kids were a no-go (racial tension) I ended up with a bunch of mixed race nerds and band kids. I'm now finishing my degree in Chemical and Biological Engineering while the rest of my relatives in my generation are having their second round of kids and getting in gang fights. Basically, our culture does not value intelligence and individual achievements. The focus is to contribute to the family in the best way you can. In the Latin countries of origin it's the social norm to have three generations living in the same household. I believe it to be a major factor that contributes to why we Latinos generally fail.

[Anonymous No.4824300]

>>4824290
Do you think their behaviour or lack of intelligence could possibly be related to genetics?

[Anonymous No.4824305]

>>4824300
It could easily be due to genetics, and maybe some portion of the difference really is.

[Anonymous No.4824309]

>>4824268
What about white culture? it's shit too, the problem is one of financial stability

[Anonymous No.4824310]

>>4824300
Difficult to speculate but not impossible if you can find the right data. Just control for income, quality of school attended and a couple other social factors I'm not thinking of and see where the data leads you. If you can control for the likely factors that lead to the disparity and essentially remove the social advantage whites and asians have then you would be closer at seeing what the root cause of the gap is. Even if you do all that and still see the same kind of gap (which I doubt you would), it would not imply causation on behalf of genetics. I find it more likely that the cultural impact i mentioned above is the more probable culprit. You can't really experiment with that, though. That would mean having a control group of some Mexicans raised by your representative Mexican families and some other Mexicans raised by Asians, Blacks, Whites and taught the values of their cultures. Then you wait a couple decades and see where you're at.

[Anonymous No.4824312]

>>4824309
How do you explain the fact that Black students from families with incomes of $80,000 to $100,000 score considerably lower on the SAT than White students from families with $20,000 to $30,000 incomes? How do you explain why social class factors, all taken together, only cut the Black-White achievement gap by a third? Culture-only theory cannot predict these facts; often its predictions are opposite to the empirical results.

[Anonymous No.4824317]

>>4824285
Well, that's a much more difficult question to answer, and no one in power is willing to change it. The public is also interested in numbers. Give x-amount more money to these schools in low income neighborhoods, force teachers to follow the same lesson plans to eliminate bad teachers (which, consequently will sap teachers of their desire to teach and limit the ways in which excellent teachers with nontraditional methods may shine), provide all students with laptops...etc.

The decision makers are entrusted to provide results, but an impatient public wants results fast. Fast results include such things as new policies (like zero tolerance with drugs), financial decisions (like giving more money or threatening to take it away), and modifications to the system (like making teachers all adopt the same lesson plans across the country). The sad reality is that no matter how much money you throw at a school, and how much you change, if a student does not want to learn then they will simply not learn. The quick fixes essentially do nothing except make the decision makers look good on paper. Fixing the root problem, our culture, is enormously interdisciplinary and requires more and a single term of a lawmaker.

We as a society are not patient. Even if we were, it is changing in so many other ways, by new technology for example, that it's difficult to imagine that a plan implemented over many generations will even be relevant after a decade or so.

[Anonymous No.4824318]

>>4824312
Why would wealthier black people not be influenced by black culture?

[Anonymous No.4824322]

All the culture only retards in this thread are hilarious.

Niggers are inherently stupid and violent. It's no surprise that they would spawn a culture that glorifies crime and shuns intelligence. Because on average they're simple incapable of anything else. Statistics and common sense will continue to reaffirm this for as long as pure blooded blacks walk the earth.

[Anonymous No.4824323]

>>4824312
>1995
Things have changed alot since then, also where'd you get that from?
And well, racism and oppression aren't rlly prevalent like they used to be but their affects are still there, you could argue about the noncultural data but until the race percentages are near equal and poverty filled african culture and idealogy catch up with the rest of other races, there will always be a cultural influence, but i'm open minded. You can't classify a race as inferior based off purely genetics, or maybe you can, look at the nba lol.

[Anonymous No.4824324]

>>4824322
Didn't you know that evolution is a racist concept?

[Anonymous No.4824325]

>>4824317
anyone is up for learning, it's only natural.
altering perceptions is in order, with that we could have the poorest schools but if the students are diligent and interested, well, you know.

[Anonymous No.4824328]

I'm hispanic and i'm not in any way inferior to white or asians lol, statistics don't mean shit to the individual.

[Anonymous No.4824332]

>>4824309
It's that black culture is so unbelievably worse. I'm around them constantly, and have lived in multiple cities across the country. The saving graces of white culture, despite its own problems, are largely absent in black culture.

>>4824312
Why should higher income erase the effects of black popular culture on black people? Haven't you had black friends from rich families, or black friends from white families growing up? The culture still has is effects as the black children try to find their place in the world and become influenced by it. It's also true that blacks raised in white families score higher in their younger years than blacks in black families. Their performance is a little worse as they get older, but this is consistent with environmental factors as I just described.

As I keep saying, we need to look at other things besides test scores. Look a the dropout rate, the detention rate, survey their opinions of school...etc. Looking at test scores is one dimensional.

[Anonymous No.4824333]

>>4824332
>Look a the dropout rate, the detention rate, survey their opinions of school
>impying niggers aren't absolute failures at every metric known to man except for throwing a basketball and dancing

[Anonymous No.4824338]

>>4824290
This is interesting and made me think. Individualism and liberalism are European inventions, while most people on the Earth are actually community minded. I have no experience with blacks, but so far what I've read about them is that they seem like african tribesmen everywhere. They live in tight-knit communities, isolated from outside influence and even hostile to it. When I see interviews with them they refer an awful lot to the local ghetto lifestyle and people.
So far I've thought that individualism, the ability to question the world and norms around you is the key to scientific success and the best way to negate cultural influences. The weird thing is that asians are very much alike blacks, but for some reason they seem successful enough with their hivemind.

I don't even know what I wanted to write, but living in a community that encourages individual growth is definitely a bonus. Blacks lived in violent seclusion since forever and the Americas is full of the spawns of religiousfags Europe didn't want.

[Anonymous No.4824337]

>>4824325
>>4824325
The culture that is so against learning needs to be shattered. When I graduated as an engineer and couldn't find work, I applied for a job to teach at an inner city high school in Philadelphia. I was one of two finalists and learned a lot in my interviews. The kids really don't want to learn, and we have to go to extremely to motivate them. I was to teach simple arithmetic to juniors and seniors. I was also told that in the more advanced classes where students learn concepts such as circumference, that I should use images like beer cans to illustrate the idea. I am completely serious about this. Otherwise they couldn't relate, they said to me.

[Anonymous No.4824339]

>>4824325
>>4824325
The culture that is so against learning needs to be shattered. When I graduated as an engineer and couldn't find work, I applied for a job to teach at an inner city high school in Philadelphia. I was one of two finalists and learned a lot in my interviews. The kids really don't want to learn, and we have to go to extreme lengths to motivate them. I was to teach simple arithmetic to juniors and seniors. I was also told that in the more advanced classes where students learn concepts such as circumference, that I should use images like beer cans to illustrate the idea. I am completely serious about this. Otherwise they couldn't relate, they said to me.

[Anonymous No.4824343]

>>4824338
And them gypsies.

[Anonymous No.4824341]

>>4824338
Stop trying to project uniquely European qualities on to the lesser non European races.

[Anonymous No.4824344]

>>4824337
that's sadly hilarious, well, in that case at least we'll have people serving us burgers at mcdonald's,, i love mcdonalds.
would you agree it's a chain reaction from their parents and their parents' parents etc?

[Anonymous No.4824346]

>>4824290
I've heard about Latino families and I will say that one saving grace is the tight-knit families you have. That can at least be a stepping stone to greater things in education. If the family values higher education and achievement within the educational system, they could be a major backbone of support. I just don't see what blacks in the US have that could help them out in a similar way.

[Anonymous No.4824348]

>>4824344

Is referring to

>>4824339

Sorry for editing the comment

[Anonymous No.4824353]

>>4824346
with my family and everything, not the person you replied to btw, but with my family i've noticed that most hispanics are just blue collared people, with many old school idealogies and motivations

[Anonymous No.4824354]

Oh christ /sci/, didn't you know that development of intelligence is related to the environment in which you are raised. Therefore, it is wrong to link intelligence with race, considering the fact that there is also a strong relation between race and development environment

[Anonymous No.4824361]

>>4824337
Their culture really is the issue I think. It definitely could be partially genetic, but, we really cannot guess exactly how much of it that is because the controlled experiments to give hard evidence would be unethical (not to mention very large and obscenely costly).

Blacks just don't seem to be motivated to be smart partly it seems, because STEM fields are dominated by whites and asians, and they probably don't really have much in common with such people if they only grew up around other blacks.

Also there's the subconscious drive, that since living the way they (blacks) do in poverty has worked well-enough for their parents to allow their progeny to reach adulthood, then that lifestyle that they already are intimately familiar with works "good enough" so there is no reason to abandon it. I suspect that the massive materialism and machismo of black culture is a sort of self-reinforcing element to delude themselves into honestly believing it's OK to be like that, that they can all still get rich and happy as rappers or pimps etc despite the disadvantages they were born into, or more like in spite of them.

We don't have that in most regions of white culture, if you are poor you get fucking ridiculed DESPITE it being a super-rude thing to say to someone, and congratulated for breaking out of familial poverty with a degree and a good job, rather than outcast as a "whitewashed"/brainwashed sellout if you were black.

[Anonymous No.4824360]

>>4824344
Oh, definitely the parents are a major factor. There are lots of black families that I get to see on a daily basis. It's something that interests me, so I try to pay attention. I'm sure that I'm generalizing too much here, but it feels like black parents interact with their kids only by yelling at them. I think a good parent should teach their kids about the world around them which requires knowledge of the world yourself), teach them social etiquette, try their best to answer the "why's", encourage critical thinking, take them outdoors to appreciate and understand nature and provide them with a new environment full of new experiences...the list goes on. Few parents I see are great parents, but black parents seem to make the worst ones in my experiences.

[Anonymous No.4824363]

>>4824354
look up transracial adoption studies and never mistake a contributing factor for the only possible factor again

[Anonymous No.4824365]

>>4824361
>>4824361
I think you're right on (I'm the one you're replying to), and agree that parts could in fact be genetic. There might even be certain traits or behaviors that are genetic, or even epigenetic, that by themselves do not results in lesser intelligence but in a certain society or culture tend to lower it indirectly.

[Anonymous No.4824366]

>>4824363
>implying that transracial adoption studies remove the environmental factor

[Technosocialistanon !!xw474HYuS59 No.4824375]

> Good African countries:
....
> Good White Countries:
All of them

[Anonymous No.4824382]

since it seems like some of you are approaching this question in a legitimate way and it seems like some of you have had very little interaction with black and latino people I can answer some questions you may have, I am half black and live in a mostly latino neighborhood

[Anonymous No.4824387]

>>4824300

Maybe, but using genetics seems like a cop-out honestly.

The issue seems more related to the values being instilled rather than a natural inclination to a certain supposed perceived behavior.

>>4824312

>implying that reaching a certain monetary threshold will automatically change someone's thought process.

Ok so they come from a higher tax bracket how does that change the fact that they are not required to score as high to get into a decent college. What's the point of scoring better when there's little need to do it?

>>4824322

>It's no surprise that they would spawn a culture that glorifies crime and shuns intelligence.
>spawn

They didn't spawn anything other than slavery which everyone else has done. In america the culture you see is based mostly on exploitation. Think about it the origins here are past-slaves and non-slaves imported to a distant land where they become new slaves used and breed for labor and servitude. The ability to acknowledge that what's happening to them is wrong and deprives their right of freedom. The creation of a mental dogma of being anti-establishment and untrusting. The lack of connection to their own version of a "golden age" that happened in africa in the mean time and the possibility of their version of a "renaissance" all but gone. I wouldn't be surprised if had the tables turned a similar result would have happened to people of caucasian or asian origin.

What we are trying to fight or understand is not so much a culture or a inherited genetic structure but an evolution of thought process a different type of abstraction if you will. One that differs from the prominent one be used right now. One that lacks common precepts that can interact without clashing at certain points.

But then maybe I'm coming too close to /x/ at this point so I'll just stop.

[Anonymous No.4824420]

http://nig.gr/7d6
>In the US, there is a large stubborn Black-White differential in intelligence. This differential, on the individual and population level, explains a large portion of the social outcome difference. Within populations, intelligence is highly heritable. As such, the behavioral genetic default is that this differential also has a high heritability. It could be otherwise, though. As such, facts on the ground were explored and environmental explanations were evaluated. The facts include: (1) the difference is a true difference in psychometric intelligence, (2) it largely represents a difference in the general factor, (3) it has shown great persistence, having decreased little in the last century, (4) there is currently regression with age, (5) there appears to be a robust biological component to the difference, (6) the difference shows a Spearman/Jensen Effect, (7) biometric analysis indicates that the gap has a sizable genetic component, (8) the difference is not caused by environmental influences unique to one or the other populations, (9) if environmental influences are causing the gap they act fairly uniformly across the population, (10) the difference is no smaller at the upper SES levels than the lower, (11) family influences can not explain the difference, statistically explaining a decreasing amount with age, (12) Mixed race individual perform intermediate to monoracial individuals and this phenomena has been noted for centuries, (13) the Difference correlates with physical indexes of Caucasian admixture in the Black population, and (14) environmental interventions appear to show little to no lasting effect. Causal biological explanations were then explored and found to be wanting, capable of explaining at most 1/15th of the gap.

[Anonymous No.4824430]

>>4824375
> Good African countries:
>....

Barbados could arguably make the cut. Though it is just a small island nation with a tourism oriented economy that has benefited from a degree of British colonial paternalism.

[Anonymous No.4824441]

I don't pretend to pseudoscience all of you but my intuition and small experience make me think environment is equally as imprtant as genetics.

> a * b = i

Consider my case. Black orphan "saved" by white folks (both doctors).
IQ=135
Maths & CompSci double maj, top 25%
Learned English by myself.
Natural reading speed of 550wpm in my second language, more in my 1st.
Listen to classical music, rationalist, I hate morals & ethics. I value intelligence and originality in one's personality.
I read approx 50 books/years philosophy, science, classics.
Pretty much have a good solid general culture.
I play the piano, draw.

My sister has a bsc in management, she's doing fine.
Brother is just a salesman, average situation, he's happy.

Take a and b between 1 and 10.
a:= proportionnal to IQ standard dev
b:= an indicator of one's environement. (very subjective, I know)

let's take a regular dude with average iq, average env.
5²=25
Same IQ, awesome env.
5*10=50
God tier IQ, average env
10*5=50

High IQ, shit environement
9*3=27
Good IQ, good environement
8*8=64

Just makes sense to me. During all those years of maths, science and intellectual curiosity, my ability to treat, understand, memorize and use information just improved and improved. Pattern recognition improved.

I think, all the niggers just don't have a chance in the cultural env they are experiencing.

[Anonymous No.4824443]

>>4824441

N=1

[Anonymous No.4824444]

If we kill enough stupid niggers, the gap will go away. We'll still have racists, though, so we'll have to kill them too. From there on it's rainbows and unicorns.

[Anonymous No.4824445]

http://moemesto.ru/rorschach_club/file/6314265/182%20bouchard%202003.pdf
>Psychological researchers typically distinguish five major domains of individual differences in human behavior: cognitive abilities, personality, social attitudes, psychological interests, and psychopathology (Lubinski, 2000). In this article we: discuss a number of methodological errors commonly found in research on human individual differences; introduce a broad framework for interpreting findings from contemporary behavioral genetic studies; briefly outline the basic quantitative methods used in human behavioral genetic research; review the major criticisms of behavior genetic designs, with particular emphasis on the twin and adoption methods; describe the major or dominant theoretical scheme in each domain; and review behavioral genetic findings in all five domains. We conclude that there is now strong evidence that virtually all individual psychological differences, when reliably measured, are moderately to substantially heritable.

[Anonymous No.4824452]

>>4824443
I've described what I became.

My parents don't listen to classical music nor play chess. They believe in god and everything (I'm an atheist).
They honestly provided a cultural background that allowed me to develop interests of my own.

I have white people problem, no accent whatsoever etc..

[Anonymous No.4824457]

>>4824445
One of the point of the article is that there is to much imprecision to really "be sure".
Although it's undeniable that genetics are a huge part of one's intelligence.

>moderately to substantially heritable
It could mean 50%.

[Anonymous No.4824466]

What's the point in monitoring racial intelligence?

It'snot like anything useful can come out of it.

[Anonymous No.4824487]

>>4824466

It's analysing cultural differences in attitude to education.

>What's the point? Nothing useful can come from this

Fuck off with your anti-intellectualism.

The data is alerting people to a problem that needs attention.

[Anonymous No.4824506]

>>4824466
Because the pursuit of truth is always a worthwhile endeavor.

Also if genetic inequalities are proven the amount of global buttmad would be hilarious

[Anonymous No.4824512]

You can not teach those unwilling to learn, even if they were capable of learning.

[Anonymous No.4824607]

"...gene is mythical part of living structure which in reactionary theories like Mendelism-Veysmanism-Morganism determines heredity. Soviet scientists under leadership of Academician Lysenko proved scientifically that genes don't exist in the nature."
--Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies circa 1997

[Anonymous No.4824668]

Science is racist.

[Anonymous No.4824809]

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