/sci/ - Science & Math

[No.3539033]

/sci/, I need a list of all studies performed about the intelligence gap between races.

[Anonymous No.3539053]

/new/ might help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund
This is the group which funds almost all of the psychology research on race & intelligence.

sage for probable troll

[not op No.3539060]

I'd be happy to accept there's something more than a social component if I were given a valid study showing that blacks and whites in equal cultural circumstances still show intelligence differences. Until then, no justified racism for you.

[No.3539106]

Bump

[Anonymous No.3539115]

In before the keep /new/ out of /sci/ ban.

[Anonymous No.3539121]

Google, nigger.

[Anonymous No.3539130]

I'll just leave this here

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-to-get-anyone-to-believe-clearly-fake-news-story/?utm_source=face
book&utm_medium=fanpage&utm_campaign=new%2Barticle&wa_ibsrc=fanpage

[Anonymous No.3539164]

North-East Asian full scale IQ is 5 points higher than whites and about 2-3 points higher in areas of academic proficiency. They score the same in language aptitude, 5 points higher in mathematic proficiency, and 8-12 points higher in visuo-spatial reasoning (block design and object assembly).

American Ashkenazi Jews score about 10 points higher than whites in mathematics and language aptitude, but amount 6-9 points lower in visuo-spatial ability and average in inductive reasoning (Ravens Matrices, Figure Weights).

Blacks have a slight strength in mathematics and executive functions relative to their full scale IQ. When European admixture if controlled for in African Americans, their FS IQ drops from about 85 to 82.

Native Americans score about 10-15 points lower than whites with relative strengths in mathematics and visuo-spatial reasoning. Same cognitive profile as NE Asians.

Mathematical and language aptitude are obviously far more relevant to personal success than visuo-spatial ability.

In areas of creativity, as measured by openness to experience (positive correlation or about 20-30% to IQ and 40-60% to tests of creativity) and tests of divergent thinking Jews score the highest, then whites and Native Americans, then NE Asians, and blacks score the lowest.

NE Asians have a deficit of about 9 points in creativity and blacks at about 15-20 points.

Happy?

[Anonymous No.3539169]

>>3539164
[citation needed] everywhere

[not op No.3539173]

>>3539130
>http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-to-get-anyone-to-believe-clearly-fake-news-story/?utm_source=
face
book&utm_medium=fanpage&utm_campaign=new%2Barticle&wa_ibsrc=fanpage
-It's cracked
-We don't want news articles.

>>3539164
Citation and comparison of social situation, kthxbai

[Anonymous No.3539185]

>>3539169

research it yourself, not spending 10-30 minutes scrounging up a number of sources on Google.

I no longer have access to sites that hold PDF files on this subject and I'm not willing to pay money to enlighten a faggot on the interwebs.

[No.3539189]

>>3539164
No, I need studies and citations.

[not op No.3539192]

>>3539185
research it yourself, not spending 10-30 minutes scrounging up a number of sources on Google.

I no longer have access to sites that hold PDF files on this subject and I'm not willing to pay money to probably prove wrong a faggot on the interwebs.

[Anonymous No.3539206]

>>3539185
The Earth is flat.
Where's you're citation?
OH WELL I LIKE REMEMBER IT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO LIKE RETRIEVE IT THO LOL.

[Anonymous No.3539218]

>>3539173
>2011
>not reading something because of its source
I seriously hope you people don't do this.

[Anonymous No.3539213]

>>3539192
>>3539192

Here is work by Richard Lynn of race and creativity. This is from the Mankind Quarterly.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_7658/is_200804/ai_n32270499/

In my image is demographically adjusted PISA scores, which is a strong estimate of national IQ when controlling for native populations, therefore a reasonable estimate of racial IQ. PISA scores follow a standard deviation of 100. Every 10 points equates to 1.5 points on a standard deviation or 15 (the typical IQ format).

I don't have anything else on hand, the rest is stored in my head.

[Anonymous No.3539228]

>>3539192
>has exact IQ statistics at his fingertips, but can't come up with names of sources without paying money

Seems legit.

[Anonymous No.3539231]

just look at your window and you see daily the intelligence gap between the race

[Anonymous No.3539238]

>>3539231
>just look at your window and you see daily the intelligence gap between the race

I discover all sorts of "race" in my window too.
>lol retard

[Anonymous No.3539246]

>>3539228

The guy you're responding to here.

Most publications that hold immense amounts of data upon the subject do in fact require a subscription, belonging to a university's research department, or direct pay per article. It isn't as easy as you think to become well versed on a topic for free, especially one as esoteric as racial psychological differences. You can't go to a fucking public library or do a quick google search to gain high amounts of knowledge on the topic.

Being on a new computer, I don't have most of the PDF files I used to have.

[not op No.3539262]

>>3539213
Reading the article now.

I'm not sure why you think the PISA scores are valid if they exclude non-hispanic whites but don't include a statistic for inclusion. How are scores adjusted?
>>3539246
He was responding to me, but it applied to you a lot more.

-Back shit up, always
-You probably understand exactly why I'm refusing to accept your word for it.

[Anonymous No.3539266]

>>3539238
idiot attacking grammar or typing errors on the interwebs. as if you arent a disingenious fool who didnt know i left an 's' out of race and meant to write races

keep trying to ignore the reality that there are racial differences between the race(s)

[not op No.3539270]

>>3539218
>2011
>picking specific lines of a comment to respond to
You missed the part where I said that it's irrelevant, apparently.

[Anonymous No.3539284]

What is the OP looking for? School test scores? IQ tests? SAT Scores? National assessments? Worldwide tests like PISA?

[Anonymous No.3539288]

>>3539266
>implying it's not merely typing errors and not in actuality an error in thought and intelligence

>keep trying to ignore the reality that there are racial differences between the race(s)
Strawman and red herring: I never implied I thought there are no racial differences. In fact, I believe there are. I was making the point that you are a fucking retard, which has been yet again proven by your blatant fallacious logic.

[not op No.3539289]

>>3539266
>keep trying to ignore the reality that there are racial differences between the race(s)
Herp. Or course we realise there are differences, you cretin.
>>3539284
I don't know, but I'm looking for a study of blacks and whites in equal circumstances socially and financially, with a comparison of crime rates, IQ, and education attained.

[Anonymous No.3539295]

>>3539288
like i said, a disingenious fool

[Anonymous No.3539302]

>>3539295
>like i said, a disingenious fool
>disingenious
>disingenious
>disingenious

You fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.3539310]

>>3539302
keep posting more 4chan laughing memes, u fucking retard

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disingenuous

[No.3539314]

So no one has anything?

[Anonymous No.3539331]

>>3539314
Any studies or IQ test that will be provided, you will just say socioeconomic conditions are the cause of the disparity of the scores/IQ's between the races

[Anonymous No.3539334]

>>3539310
Except you didn't write "disingenuous," you retarded nigger.

Sage for retardation.

[not op No.3539345]

>>3539331
Any studies not accounting for socioecconomic conditions are provided, you'll ignore the fact this inevitably cases disparity of the scores/IQ's between the races. "You'll just ignore it anyway" is not a reason to withhold evidence, which I assume you're doing unless you agree the basis of racism is invalid.

[Anonymous No.3539360]

>>3539331
No I'm actually on your side.
I'm just caught in a serious argument at the moment that the other side is using exactly the tactics you've just described.

[not op No.3539379]

>>3539360
Do you mind addressing why it isn't a valid dismissal?

[Anonymous No.3539390]

IQ is bullshit.

[not op No.3539403]

>>3539390
Not for addressing differences in proficiency in a society with otherwise identical conditions. For anything else, Pretty much yup.

[Anonymous No.3539434]

here ya go OP, SAT is a good one for comparing races because of the sheer number of people who take it, and records.

[not op No.3539441]

>>3539434
Family income != socioecconomic situation.

[Anonymous No.3539444]

>>3539434
same poster.
Also, this pic is relevant because of it's truthfulness.

[Anonymous No.3539445]

>>3539390
>He failed his iq test

[Anonymous No.3539448]

>>3539441
whats the difference? or at least, how can it affect the results?

[Anonymous No.3539453]

>>3539444
>Russell Bertrand

[Anonymous No.3539456]

>>3539444
Worst case of strawman I've seen in a long time.

[Anonymous No.3539457]

1) Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 129 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.

2) Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.

Journal fo Black Education
http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

[not op No.3539459]

>>3539448
I could live in an inner city area, have 6 people in my house, and have a family income of 70K plus, or be with a single parent in the middle of nowhere earning the same amount. There's a very important difference.
Alternatively, it's possible that citys with higher than average wages also have higher than average minority concentrations (new york, for example). I don't know if this one's actually true, or speculative, but the possibility is in itself enough to warrant more investigation.

[not op No.3539463]

>>3539444
MTAS was biased and the author admitted it. Black infants had on average more disruptive childhoods.

Finding citation now.

[Anonymous No.3539468]

>>3539444
>>3539444
>>3539444

[Anonymous No.3539473]

>IQ LOL
yeah blacks are stupid,but iq is retarded

[not op No.3539484]

>>3539463
>>3539444
My mistake, it wasn't from the author.

Here we go:
>At the time they joined their new families, for example, the Black adoptees had had more prior placements, rated of poorer quality, than their White counterparts. This was especially the case for the children with two Black birth parents, who were not adopted until they were, on average, about 32 months old. Because any later IQ differences between these groups may have resulted from differences in preadoptive experience, the Minnesota data provide no clear evidence for the genetic hypothesis.

Sauce:http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~maccoun/PP279_Neisser2.html

[Anonymous No.3539480]

>>3539453
yeah, the OP of the image derped Bertrand Russell's name.

also, this is relevent for heritability of intelligence, not by race though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius_Sperm_Bank
>6/15 had 4.0 GPA's.

[Anonymous No.3539512]

>>3539484
I believe the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study was funded by the Pioneer Fund ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund ), which explicitly has conservative political/social influences. I'm not implying that anything they produce should be dismissed. But there is a reasonable conflict of interest, since it is doubtful they would ever even approach a hypothesis contrary to their preconceived notions.

[Anonymous No.3539515]

>>3539484
That's a shame, there should be more repeats of that type of study, its a good idea.

But, it does show that how the child is raised after age 2 will not raise IQ

[not op No.3539523]

>>3539512
Damnit, science. Why you gotta be so privately funded?
>>3539515
Agreed. There's definitely enough interest to justify a re-trial in fairer circumstances.
>But, it does show that how the child is raised after age 2 will not raise IQ
>This was especially the case for the children with two Black birth parents, who were not adopted until they were, on average, about 32 months old.
Nope.

[Anonymous No.3539531]

[Anonymous No.3539535]

>>3539457
Poor whites in every income level outperform black and hispanic students at the same income leve. Poor whites outperform middle-class/upper-class black hispanics.

http://www.mckinsey.com/app_media/images/page_images/offices/socialsector/pdf/achievement_gap_report
.pdf

[Anonymous No.3539536]

[Anonymous No.3539550]

>A thread about a black guy with a phd in aero physics and masters in electronic engineering
>fucktards ignoring real life and clinging to shitty biased statistics

[Anonymous No.3539547]

>>3539523
w/e, 4+, doesnt really matter much. Doesn't really prove or disprove the race/intelligence hypothesis because a significant amount of brain development happens in the first couple of years. all it show's is that a good environment will not raise IQ after that. It doesn't mean that a bad environment won't lower it.

[Anonymous No.3539546]

>>3539531


Apparently, whites are the best at science and math, but asians beat us at reading. I thought it'd be the opposite.

[not op No.3539554]

>>3539531
Interesting. How are PISA scores adjusted?

>>3539535
Family income is very different from personal income. A family of 10 mexicans working for below minimum wage can rank the same as a single white guy in his 50's if you go by it, which makes no sense.
>>3539550
>2011
>trolling /sci/

[Anonymous No.3539556]

>>3539550


So one guy automatically disproves statistics? That's not very scientific of you, that's quite retarded.

[Anonymous No.3539557]

>>3539550
These statistics account for outliers.

[Anonymous No.3539559]

>>3539546
>Apparently, whites are the best at science and math

Actually Asians (in East Countries) outperform Whites in all categories in the PISA tests. You do know that Asian-Americans in the US is an extremely broad term that applies to Hawaiians to Filipinos to Chinese.

[Anonymous No.3539563]

>>3539546
white culture enables the people to take chances. asians read deeply into anything that is communicated.

[not op No.3539565]

>>3539559
This perplexes me. How are Hawaiians Asian?

[Anonymous No.3539569]

>>3539546
>Apparently, whites are the best at science and math

Actually Asians (in East Asian Countries) outperform Whites (European or American countries) in all categories in the PISA tests. You do know that Asian-Americans in the US is an extremely broad term that applies to Hawaiians to Filipinos to Chinese.

[Anonymous No.3539573]

WOW THIS THREAD IS FUCKIN RACIST. WHITE VIRGINS CLAIMING OH THEY"RE SO SMART WELL FUK U. WHO'S GOT THE BIGGER DICK YOU RACIST FUCKS?

YOU JUST FUCKING JEALOUS OF THE BLACK MAN, AND KEEP SPOUTING YOR RACIST WHITE BULLSHIT!

I'LL BE BANGIN YO GF FAGGOTS, WHILE YOU SIT HERE AND LIST SUM STATISTICS! FUCKING FAGOTS!

[Anonymous No.3539579]

>>3539565
some tests ask for race like "asian/pacific islander"
It is likely that none of these ones did though

[Anonymous No.3539578]

>>3539573
false flag

[not op No.3539585]

>>3539573
'ported.
>>3539579
SAT scores group them, I don't see why not.

[Anonymous No.3539586]

>>3539569
>You do know that Asian-Americans in the US is an extremely broad term that applies to Hawaiians to Filipinos to Chinese

And you do realize that White-Americans in the US is also an extremely broad term that applies to Middle Easterners, to North Africans, to Europeans, right?

>The United States Census Bureau defines White people as those "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

[Anonymous No.3539588]

>>3539573

>>>/b/

and why is the black dude wearing such a silly mask?

[Anonymous No.3539597]

>>3539573

MUH DIK much?

[Anonymous No.3539601]

I detect a /new/ raid in this sector.

[Anonymous No.3539607]

>>3539601

/new/ was deleted half a year ago or so, how the hell are they going to raid us?

[Anonymous No.3539608]

>>3539586
>Middle Easterners, to North Africans, to Europeans, right?

Asians make up less than 5% of the US population with Filipinos themselves about little over 1/4th (or 1/5th) of that 5%. When Arabs make up 1/4th of the US White population, then you make that point.

[Anonymous No.3539614]

>>3539601
this, report this thread please

[Anonymous No.3539619]

here's another good one from the SAT. It's on math, which is close enough to an intelligence test

http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_downloads/highered/ra/sat/CR_M_%20W_PercentileRanksGenderEthnicGrou
ps.pdf

>for black people, a score of 550 will put them in the 88th percentile

[Anonymous No.3539620]

>>3539573
Here is the same girl in that pic - Jersey Jaxin - with 4 whites dicks.

[Anonymous No.3539624]

>>3539607
/new/ migrated to 4chon, it still exists as you can see ITT

[not op No.3539636]

>>3539608
The two are pretty different groups from an ethnic perspective, regardless of the numbers there are. Fuzzing should always be absolutely minimised.
>>3539619
If you've read the thread: we don't disagree with the fact that black people on average score lower, have less education, earn less, commit more crime, are more religious, and whatever else it is you'll potentially assert that can be supported with statistics. Evidence of a genetic component is what I'm after, and OP is probably too, and so far none has been provided.

[Anonymous No.3539640]

>>3539601
>>3539614
Oh come on, there is almost no opinions in this thread, its all science, has sources. I mean I can understand if it was full of "KILL ALL NIGGERS" but these are just studies. If science can be free of personal bias, why can't you? It not like there is anything inherently unscientific in stating that races might be different, as long as it is backed up with studies

[Anonymous No.3539641]

>>3539614

Everything you disagree with is automatically a raid or w/e?

This is a board for science, not a board for opinionated bullshit. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it should be deleted.

[Anonymous No.3539648]

>>3539060
Well, then maybe we should not embrace the destructive black culture that's so powerful it takes people halfway from normal to retard.

[Anonymous No.3539653]

>>3539535
Poor whites students outperform non-poor Blacks

http://www.mckinsey.com/app_media/images/page_images/offices/socialsector/pdf/achievement_gap_report
.pdf

[not op No.3539662]

>>3539648
Well, then maybe that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I'm saying.
>>3539653
I have no idea what the criteria for a free lunch is in the US, I'd've thought it wasn't federal. Anyone know anything about it?

[Anonymous No.3539670]

>>3539641
>>3539640
>This is a board for science, not a board for opinionated bullshit. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it should be deleted.

>>3539597 I recognize this pic from the old /new/.

>>3539535
Also, that's not what the chart implies.

[not op No.3539690]

>>3539662
Also, forgot to say: Wealth isn't everything, socioecconomically. There needs to be a comparison of living conditions too, or there's always the possibility that large cities with higher than average earning have higher BME populations. We're getting closer to something I'd call conclusive though.
>>3539670
Brotip: That's one single picture, and obviously from a troll responding to a different troll. If you look, you'll find you're the only person who actually replied to it.

[Anonymous No.3539704]

>>3539640
Nothing is truly scientific ITT, it's just empty statistics. There is no proof how much genetics have a role or nutrition has a role or environment has a role, it's just there, some shitty statistics. How about you compare black and white American families, from the same socio economic standards and with similar occupations ?

[not op No.3539724]

>>3539704
It's all discussion of science and statistics. We're going through evidence as it's provided. How do you suppose that evidence is going to be provided if not through the continuation of this thread?

[Anonymous No.3539734]

>>3539704
>it's just empty statistics

Statistics is data. Scientists take data and process it.