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http://www.wptv.com/dpp/entertainment/weird_news/Jake-Barnet-12-year-old-genius-takes-aim-as-disprov
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"My initial perception from this is that light does have mass,” Jake writes. “Obviously, energy coming out of a system where light is emitted could not be conserved otherwise. You can correct me later if I change my mind, but for the moment this is my perception."

12-year old kid just disproved relativity. Problem Einstein?

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNypTxvOxxQ&feature=player_embedded#at=16

>> No.2801621

Oh, he's a dipshit
Christ, i know that shit better than him, and i'm not studying it

>> No.2801628
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He has also set out to disprove the big bang

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/a-beautiful-mind-12-year-old-boy-genius-sets-out-to-disprove-big-ban
g/

“So you get all the elements, all the different materials, from those bigger stars. The little stars, they just make hydrogen and helium, and when they blow up, all the carbon that remains in them is just in the white dwarf; it never really comes off.

“So, um, in the big-bang theory, what they do is, there is this big explosion and there is all this temperature going off and the temperature decreases really rapidly because it’s really big. The other day I calculated, they have this period where they suppose the hydrogen and helium were created, and, um, I don’t care about the hydrogen and helium, but I thought, wouldn’t there have to be some sort of carbon?”

He could go on and on.

And he did.

“Otherwise, the carbon would have to be coming out of the stars and hence the Earth, made mostly of carbon, we wouldn’t be here. So I calculated, the time it would take to create 2 percent of the carbon in the universe, it would actually have to be several micro-seconds. Or a couple of nano-seconds, or something like that. An extremely small period of time. Like faster than a snap. That isn’t gonna happen.”

“Because of that,” he continued, “that means that the world would have never been created because none of the carbon would have been given 7 billion years to fuse together. We’d have to be 21 billion years old . . . and that would just screw everything up.”

>> No.2801633

Reported for spam

>> No.2801637

>>2801628
>there is this big explosion

He's a kid, he's playing around with his thoughts. Give him a break.

>> No.2801639

>>2801621
What have -you- accomplished?

>> No.2801645

>mfw radiation has mass now
>mfw the sun crushes us every day
>mfw all the japanese get punched in their fucking face by radiation
>mfw i have no face

>> No.2801646

>>2801639
What has -that kid- accomplished? Also, which fallacy is this again?

>> No.2801647

>>2801639
What has this kid accomplished?

>> No.2801650

>>2801628
I can go on about how mu dirty socks created the universe, but you don't see a desperate college selling my socks to the media.

>> No.2801651

At meme generator, the meme template is PhysicsKid. For some reason I can't post the link

>> No.2801654

>>2801633

reported for false reporting

How is it spam? It's blatantly /sci/ related

>> No.2801656

>>2801651
so /sci/ cant even figure out how to use photoshop?

Back in my day image macros were made by hand.

Lazy kids.

>> No.2801657

>>2801646
Ad hominem?

>> No.2801659

i always knew light had mass how do i prove it?

solar sails move right?

so a force has to be applied to them

f=ma

so photons need to have mass and be accelerating to move the solar panels?

problem physics people?

umad?

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>>2801656
There is a reason for it, though.

>> No.2801666

>>2801656
Back in *my* day, we used Paint, kiddo.

>> No.2801669

>>2801657

And appeal to authority.

>> No.2801675

Wasn't a photon always seen as either with or without mass depending on the question?

>> No.2801676

>>2801659

Problem, mass dilation?

>> No.2801677

Science is a lie. It has been disproven by this good Christian child who now owns a PS3D.

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2801685

Alot of derp from this kid.

>> No.2801692

>>2801685

Haha, shit did he actually say that?

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2801694

Once he hits puberty, I hope he explains the mysteries of the vagina.

>> No.2801702

>>2801666
But photoshop was first released in 1988

Yes paint was released in 1985

Both of these predate the ability to display images in a web browser. In fact they predate the web entierly.

>> No.2801706

>>2801692

Yep. In this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNypTxvOxxQ&feature=player_embedded#at=16

>> No.2801711

If light had nonzero rest mass, every photon would have infinite energy and break the universe.

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>>2801702
Dumbfag doesn't get the fucking joke. Aspie alert.

>> No.2801728

>>Be a kid. (x)
>> go to college. (x)
>> make some retarded claims about how the universe works (x)
>> regreat it later when you cant prove it ( )

>> No.2801734

>>2801654

>Spam link 15 times
>A day
>For a week
>Pretend it's not spam

0/10

Reported for babbys first troll

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>> No.2801747

97.77 degrees to the side.

>> No.2801752

>>2801734
>Claim I'm spamming link

This is my first post about this ever...

>> No.2801753

The kids only fault is being using the knowledge he's gained a little too excitedly. Shit, to answer the people who asked what has he accomplished... the little bastard is going to college at 12. He'll learn more math, more physics, and then he'll be qualified to start talking about some of the crap he's talking about. All I can say is I'm pretty damn smart but at 12 I was taking like prealgebra or some shit, not teaching myself calculus.

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2801756

There are going to be some
Cringing cringing cringing childhood memories

glad it's not going to be my memories because i would probably punch myself in the face while trying to sleep having to think about the bullshit i spewed out thinking i'm the new einstein

>> No.2801759

>The other day I calculated, they have this period where they suppose the hydrogen and helium were created, and, um, I don’t care about the hydrogen and helium, but I thought, wouldn’t there have to be some sort of carbon?

i lol'd

>> No.2801766

Funniest part to me was this headline of "12 year old fucks science in the ass" basically, but the picture is him writing integration by parts on a window... Granted that's heavy shit for a 12 y/o, but really? Don't say he's disproving Einstein and then show IBP on the window...

>> No.2801772

>>2801753
Except that the way he runs off at the mouth like that indicates that he doesn't really understand what maths he does know much less how it applies to the world.

>> No.2801776

>>2801639
>What have -you- accomplished?

I think the moon is made out of cheese, I mean why else would it be white at night with holes? Plus how else would the Swiss people know what cheese is? You can correct me later, but for right now this is my idea on why everyone else is fucking wrong.

Look I just made the moon into cheese, I must be a genius too!

Any retard can just spout shit with no math behind it. This kid is an idiot, stop talking about him.

>> No.2801783

>>2801766

The masses don't know the difference. Spew out some fancy-sounding bullshit, and write on a transparent surface some fancy formulae, and the majority think you're Newton.

>> No.2801785

>>2801612
>>2801628

What actually pisses me off isn't the kid.
I'm happy to see that, even in that bullshit generation he grows up in, there are still people that ask these kind of questions. I'm witnessing a sharp rise of .. let's say scientific apathy in all younger generations. People caring more about fashion and style than about the origin of men and so on (not like that's new anyways).

However what pisses me off is this kind of parenting. They're taking this "MY KID IS SO AMAZING" attitude to a whole new level.
>OMG I DON'T UNDERSTAND A THING ABOUT SCIENCE BUT MY KID SURELY JUST DISPROVED EINSTEIN

I don't blame the kid. Hell, I was like that. I thought I had disproven Einstein on several occasions during my adolescense.
But when I went to my father and told him about my theory he either explained to me where I was wrong or he encouraged me to learn more about the material because "it's not that simple".
Shit like that is private ... but nowadays everybody puts everything online to show off.

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>>2801685
Kid trolling the media

>> No.2801803

ITT butthurt nerds who don't realize this kid will probably be something crazy in a decade. Or they realize it and just want to make fun of him before he can back his shit up.

>> No.2801808

>>2801666
Back in *my* day we wrote the bitmap directly in notepad, kiddo.

>> No.2801810

>>2801785

This where I think the kid is going to fail miserably. Einstein wasn't great because he tried to disprove other people. He was great because his mind allowed him to imagine what no one else could. Einstein wasn't the greatest at mathematics, sure he understood it, but an equation to him was less important than his thought experiments.

Physics without deep imagination is fucking pointless.

>> No.2801814

>>2801810
You need to go reread the part about where he's 12. The kid's barely started, cut him some slack for saying stupid shit. I agree more with this guy >>2801785

>> No.2801817

GUYS, GUYS, GUYS!

This kid is on GLENN BECK, RIGHT NOW.

WHAT THE FUCK

>> No.2801826

>>2801810

And we all know autistics don't have imaginations.

>> No.2801829

>>2801817

Why the fuck are you watching Glenn Beck?

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>>2801829
Probably a /new/ refugee.

>> No.2801846

>>2801829

He said he was going to prove god tonight, so I wanted the lulz. He's talking with this kid right now, he said the name just as I was browsing this thread.

What the fuck is going on Beck is all excited that this kid wants to disprove the big bang. My brain is full of fuck.

>> No.2801849

>>2801612
of course light has fucking mass, it exerts force.

>> No.2801855

>>2801846
Huh? Television is entertainment, a good story is a good story.

Disproving big bang would be a huge story.

>> No.2801868

>>2801855

Except for the fact that he's never going to do it. Making a claim is worth shit without the work to back it up. This kid isn't even at step 1.

This kid isn't extraordinary either, there are kids younger than him who have a better grasp of physics, including the theory behind it.

>> No.2801869

>>2801855
But the supposed meat of the story just isn't there. The kid hasn't disproved the big bang theory, so why does the media insist on claiming that he did?

>> No.2801870

>>2801855
It would. But it was just the weirdest coincidence ever that he showed up on the show as I looked at this thread. Check him out, he's doing some math and shit now.

>> No.2801877

>>2801870
Keep us updated on the God thing.

>> No.2801883

>>2801869
Its like you think the media actually bothers reporting truth anymore.

Its not like a common person will be able to explain how he DIDN'T disprove the big bang.

>> No.2801888

>>2801855
The bigbang may be disproven, but not necessarily by this kid.

After all, is just a damn theory, just like evolution.

>> No.2801892

>>2801888
What value did your reply bring? The guy you quoted didn't say shit about no one ever disproving big bang. Thanks for stating terrible generalities.

>> No.2801902

>>2801883
>Its like you think the media actually bothers reporting truth anymore.
Not really. I mean, to me this is a bit like reporting on a guy who claims to be able to walk on water without actually making him demonstrate it. My problem isn't with the lack of honesty, but with the lack of substance. There's just nothing to this story that goes beyond the dim appeal of a minor fluff piece.

>> No.2801910

There is something to be said about someone who wants to disprove something without coming up with an alternative. That kid must have an inferiority complex.

>> No.2801916

>>2801902
Its easy to see if someone can walk on water or not.

The kid though, hes speaking in SCIENCE! And the public is programmed to trust SCIENCE.

>> No.2801922

>>2801892
There already is some data that some patterns from the CMB radiation indicate there may have been at least one previous bigbang before the one which expanded into this universe. THere, my contribution, feast on it.

>> No.2801944

>>2801810

Einstein was "great" because he plagiarized other peoples ideas.

>> No.2801945

>>2801910
I don't think it's really the kid who's the driving force behind this. Judging by his YouTube stuff, it seems like his mother is just as eager to sell the kid as a genius to the public as the media is willing to regurgitate their silly Big Bang claims.

>> No.2801952

>>2801849
wait
doesn't that mean that for light to travel at the speed of light it would have to have infinite energy?

>> No.2801968

>>2801952
please expand

>> No.2801984

>>2801952
and now i leave before shitstorm

>> No.2801989

im sick of this child genius bullshit, this kid is gonna be flipping burgers in 10 years, not because he fucked up but because he ''wants too'' like all the others

>> No.2801990

No, because decay over distance has already been discovered.

>> No.2801995

>>2801968
i am not CAPTAIN SCIENCE! by any means but i thought that as you approach the speed of light the energy required to do so approaches infinity
which is why we will never visit other stars

i am almost certainly wrong

>> No.2802002

The college students that this kid tutors must be so ashamed of themselves. Not only do they have to admit they are themselves a failure, but they have to go to a 12 year old for help. I suppose it is less embarrassing than having to go to a woman tutor for help rofl.

>> No.2802003

>>2801989
>implying that any burger flipper is different from any other burger flipper.

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>>2801989
>>2801945
In deed
same for >>2801785
I agree

Probably the kid would end up liek any other genius making more progress or shit to physics in a good maner... probably in 10 or 15 years more a respectable thesis would show up....
but no!!!!! fucking parents URGES to demonstrate their love to his son!

>> No.2802022

>>2801995
I hate to say this, but the boy uses Baptists Christian math.

>> No.2802025

>>2801646
appeal to authority.

By saying you can't criticize someone or something unless you've done something equally great or greater, you essentially set up an automatic and immediate authoritarian system where no one is allowed to challenge or contend the actions of those society deems their "betters".

>>2801639
This kid is a dumbshit whose getting a bunch of bullshit media coverage because his mommy says hes smart. He memorizes a lot of big numbers and scientific words, and what do you know, the media says hes smarter than Einstein. Its a giant circle jerk of paparazzi, pseudo-scientific fuckwits and camera-carrying TMZ douchebags.

>> No.2802027

>>2802008
I don't think that you're on the right board.

>> No.2802040

Actually, 'rents demand a performance from their son before he discovers anything.

He is their way out of crushing debt.

>> No.2802046

I guarantee that within a few weeks, his mother will be selling "Math Boy" t-shirts.

>> No.2802047

>>2802040
you faggot. do you call pizza "za" too?

>> No.2802054

>>2801612
someone message "mathboysmom" a link to physics lectures on Khan Academy

>> No.2802059

I learned Calculus at age 16. Sure that is 4 years later than this kid, but did I get anything? Even a pat on the back?

Fuck no.

Bring up "disproving Big Bang" or "disproving Einstein" and you get guaranteed replies.

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>> No.2802079

>>2801694
“So, um, in the vagina, what they do is, there is this big penis put inside and there is all this temperature going off and the temperature increases really rapidly because it’s really big. The other day I calculated, they have this period where they aren't comfortably able to have sex because they're bleeding, and, um, I don’t care about the blood, but I thought, wouldn’t there have to be some sort of band-aid to stop the flow?”

>> No.2802085

>2802040

I lol'd

>> No.2802086

>>2802059
Lol you and half the faggots in this thread seem to think 12 isn't a big deal, I hugely disagree. I also learned calc at about 16, and sure I probably couldn't been accelerated a bit but still, 12 is impressive. Not only that but self taught. At 12 I didn't give a fuck about calculus, I was playing the shit out of some zelda on the 64 or something.

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sure is alot of jelly haters in this thread, sure the kid is making rediculous claims but atleast he is trying to do some research, when have any of you done any science that wasnt for a grade.

>> No.2802091

>>2802079
his mom: "omg, local news satation, my son is a gynecologist. give him an honorary m.d. now"

>> No.2802099

>>2802087
hai jake barnett

>> No.2802100

>>2802046
Haha... evil trolling mom!

>> No.2802157
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2802157

Back when I was 10 I had this awesome idea to cure HIV. At least, I thought it was awesome at the time. I got out two sheets of college ruled paper and wrote down my plan. I remember running it past my teachers at the time and they were impressed. Not in the condescending "oh, isn't that cute?" kind of way, but in the "holy shit, he's 10 and he's cured AIDS" kind of way. I felt like I was on top of the world.

I felt pretty damn good about myself. There I was, a real life Doogie Howser with the fucking cure for AIDS. I remember showing my dad, and at first, he was pretty impressed. Then he started asking me a bunch of questions that no one else had thought of about my little theory. It slowly dawned on me that I couldn't answer everything and that there were a lot of holes in my arguments that I couldn't explain. I was pretty mad at him for a while, but it really made me think about the system I was working with.

Now that I think about it, I could be really cynical and blame my dad for killing my creativity, but I'm glad he did what he did. At the time, I sounded really smart to people who didn't know all the big words I was regurgitating from National Geographic, but my dad knew better. In fact, it was his questioning and his refusal to put me up on the big kid-genius pedestal that made me want to be better and to really understand things without thinking I was hot shit on a stick.

In conclusion, Dexter's a cookie.

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>>2802157

What a fucking loser that posts on 4chan sci.

The only reason I'm here as I don't have the will power to study more than 7 hours of the algebraic crap I'm doing.

Yet why the fuck are you here? Wasting your fucking time.

You killed off your creativity for what? To post on fucking 4chan and be an average dumb fag. Your dad did you wrong. Look at the fucking pathetic fuck you are now. Are you happy with mediocre>?

>> No.2802204

>backwards hat
>bro science

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>>2802157
I had an idea to cure teh aids when I was young as well. I suppose the problem is that the ideas sound great, but that's only because we don't know at that age, that the hard part is actually getting the solution to work.

also, your a cookie!

>> No.2802219

I remember when i thought it would be a great idea to connect a motor to a generator and make infinite power.

>> No.2802223

>>2802157
I'm guessing we're comparing apples and oranges. Some average 10 year old might go "hey why don't we run someone's blood through a filter with tiny holes to capture all the HIV" and from a ten year old it sounds cool. And I could shoot twenty holes in the simplistic plan in half a second. But this little douchebag in OPs post is doing calculus and the such and supplementing his technical learnings with it. You weren't doing that shit at 10. Sure the kid sounds like a dipshit, but he'll only go up from here.

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>>2802068

>> No.2802239

>>2802192
Usually, I'm just here for porn.

>>2802208
Kind of inspires you to keep working, doesn't it?

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>>2802192
The great thing about the scientific method is that it's self-correcting. Even though that poster's idea may have seemed brilliant to some individuals that didn't know much about it or how to think critically (or if they did, they didn't want to crush his hopes), upon closer examination it was incorrect all the same. But, this is a good thing. The system weeds out flawed concepts in favor of replacing them with more accurate ones, as possible, instead of lauding a certain concept even if it may be wrong. This is how it'd be in a perfect world, anyway. Some people may have a bit of a romanticized view of the big bang theory and such, for example.

>> No.2802261

So has this kid even done a course in gauge theory or quantum field theory or anything in astrophysics?

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>>2802239
shockingly enough it was in the same science class that I came up with this little gem. It most likely doesn't work, but it was the quest for understanding how that kept me interested.

>> No.2802272

>>2802261
>Lawl so like totally has this kid even done the stuff I did in my twenties?

>> No.2802281

>>2802223
My idea was just about as dumb as that one.

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>>2802244
Yep.

>> No.2802321

>watching linked video
>"slightly larger"
>"maybe 0.9 times larger"
kid dont know shit.

>> No.2802340

>>2802321
Or kid phrases what he means incorrectly. Do you recall the part about mild autism?

If he meant 1.9 that's really reasonable, it's not orders of magnitude difference. And that was my first assumption of what he meant by that awkward statement.

>> No.2802387

>>2802272
I'd expect him to if he wants to start to start "disproving" relativity or the big bang

>> No.2802457

his ideas are pre-PhD level. probably wrong like most PhD student ideas. Normal people would refine their ideas and write something amazing when theyre 40. He will do that with 16.

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Has anybody directly responded to what he has said, or are people just going to laugh it off and say "Nope". I mean he's got potential since he makes most of the people I know look like retards math wise.

>> No.2802525

Lol, autistic children. He can think about this shit at age 12, but he probably can't even tie his shoe.

>> No.2802597

I could do calculus at 12, and knew more about astrophysics than this dipshit apparently does, but I didn't get the newspapers to write up the half-cocked ideas I came up with. My parents convinced me to stay in grade 8 rather than move up to grade 12/college so that I'd be socially well-adjusted when I got older. Best thing they ever did.

I'd feel bad for the kid except that's it's his own fault for being an attention whore. He's going to end up like Chris Langan, a total failure who wastes his (overrated) intellect trying to prove philosophical religious drivel.

>> No.2802657

>>2802457
Not if his mom keeps this shit up. He'll get burned out and retreat from the world. Child prodigies should really be LEFT THE FUCK ALONE until they decide what they want to do with their lives when they get older. Really, his parents are at fault here. Let the kid do his equations in peace.

>> No.2802781

I remember the good ol days of sublimation. I felt like I was on top of the world. I could proficiently use flash and photoshop. I could code pretty decently in c++, java, javascript, html, sql, and a few others. I learned how to fuck around with binaries, and I learned some basic hacking. I was a god at video games, beating everything I played on the hardest setting. Then, it all just ended one day, my interest, my ability, it all just went away. That day was the day I hit puberty and my emotions started fucking with everything. If someone asked me to write a basic java code, all I could do is print "hi" on the screen. It makes me sad thinking about what I could be doing with my life right now if I didn't have to go through puberty and start fapping and caring about other people. I'm curious as to what is going to happen to this kid once he hits puberty. I don't think he'll be able to do the same shit as he is doing now until he goes into his 20's

>> No.2802871

seen him on Glenn Beck today apparently his going to disprove the big bang and prove god exist. This kid will become that mensa guy who tries to prove god with science

>> No.2802913

>>2802657
i do gain some pleasure by seeing the 1 in a billion child prodigies end up having their talents squandered.

>> No.2802955

He >implied at one point that carbon made up atleast a small integer in the universe percent comp. I believe it was like 2%. I dont think he realises the insanity of that.
Captcha: uromplo nauseous
Si, Senor

>> No.2802978

Does anyone have a video of him on Glenn Beck?

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/03/30/glenn-meets-boy-genius/

That's all I could find, but there is not mention of the Big Bang on there. Just Glenn Beck talking about how he (the kid) is smarter than Hawking and Einstein.

>> No.2803157

>>2802978
http://www.watchglennbeck.com/video/2011/march/glenn-beck-show-march-30-2011-god-is-not-dead/

Watch it here, it's one of the youtube clips.

>> No.2803204

Anyone remember that child who basically was touted as some sort of politico prodigy? Yeah, he dropped off the map.