/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.1826169]

The star named Gliese581 has always interested astronomers and planet hunters
Around it goes the planet Gliese581 g. It sits right in the center of the Goldilocks zone, its roughly close to earth’s size which means it holds an atmosphere and it’s a rocky planet. The scientists have reasons to believe there is life there.
So why haven’t we fucking shot probes at this “planet of interest”!?

the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second which is about 371 million mph

Gliese581 g’s star is 20 light years away so if a probe were to travel at the speed of light it would take it 20 years to get there from earth.

light travels 3,249,960,000,000 miles per year
The fastest man made ship the Challenger was recorded as going about 18,000 mph. Which means it would travel 157,680,000 miles per year. That means for the challenger to travel one light year it would take 20,611 years for a man made machine to travel one light year.

20,611 times 20 = 412,22

It would take roughly 412,22 years to reach, forget Mars, lets fucking throw all we’ve got at this Gliese581 star filled with interesting planets.


>picture related; g is between c and d

[Anonymous No.1826192]

500 years seems like alot but compared to the size of the universe... thats relatively close. Also our great great grand children will love us for doing this for them. Think of it like an a present in advance

[Anonymous No.1826195]

First, any kind of useful means of propulsion is still under development (ion drive, solar sail, giving unidirectional fucks, ...). Second, we don't know the system well enough to get a probe in a stable orbit around the sun or one of the planets. The slightest deviations will be immensely magnified by the time required to reach the system. Third, it's 20 lightyears away. Communication has a 20 year lag. Even neglecting the amount of power needed to create a visible signal, and the difficulty in aiming at something so tiny at such a distance (the entire planets are barely visible), by the time you've got some preliminary data and sent some orbital corrections, chances are society will have already forgotten about the project, and it will all have been for nothing. Add to that that your probe needs to have power to do it's data gathering, and has to stay online long enough to send messages back and forth, this is simply impossible.

[Anonymous No.1826210]

>>1826169

This is pretty exciting news but do we really need three threads?

>The scientists have reasons to believe there is life there.
Prior to mentioning this they flatly stated that talk of life or even water is wildly speculative at this point.

>So why haven’t we fucking shot probes at this “planet of interest”!?
Scientists just found it, chill out

20 light years is a long way to go with current technology. We have barely begun to seriously consider manned exploration of planets and planetoids. At this stage if we want more information about the cosmos we should build more advanced telescopes. In the future we may be better able to transverse inter-stellar distances but right now we get more bang for our buck out of better optics.

[Anonymous No.1826217]

>>1826195
>we don't know the system well enough to get a probe in a stable orbit around the sun or one of the planets.

easy, you send 10 or more probes 1 year apart, the first probe gets there, shares the information with the other probes, if the first one crashes, the others won't risk the same mistake.

>Communication has a 20 year lag

they don't need to be controlled from earth, the robots can be autonomous and work together as a group.

It's hard but I think if we try hard enough and fund it more, we would be able to develop those kinds of robots

[Anonymous No.1826236]

>>1826217

We're still a long way from creating reliable probes that can work autonomous like that. And it still doesn't solve the problem of getting a signal to Earth. Or the problem of a reliable power source that can keep the electronics from freezing during the trip.

[Anonymous No.1826241]

So this planet has a 37 day year.

Meaning if somehow you fucked the inhabitants it would be hard to call it space paedophilia.

[Anonymous No.1826252]

>>1826236
>a reliable power source

nuclear power, solar power... etc etc..

>it still doesn't solve the problem of getting a signal to Earth

While the probes travel to get to Gliese581, they leave small crafts every ligh0t year, so that when they finally send back the information and photographs, it gets amplified so it doesn't dissipate. Also, it won't take too long for the signals to reach us as it would take for the probes to reach Gliese581

>also; stop being a pussy pessimist

[Anonymous No.1826257]

1. Send probe to Gliese planet
2. Probe goes there, takes 5 shittons of pix
3. Probe returns to Sol
4. Probe continues to try to send data to Earth until someone listens
5. ???
6. PROFIT for whatever civilization exists on Earth at that time (probably the Neo-Khoisan Hubbardian Hegemony)

[Anonymous No.1826260]

>>1826241
you fuck a minor and a milf at the same time

[Anonymous No.1826269]

>Send probes to Gilese
>The aliens there shit themselves
>GILESEANS ARE NO LONGER ALONE
>Because of the distance and our technology it will take a very long time to travel them
>Gilese has it's own conspiracy theory nuts now

[Anonymous No.1826275]

But how habitable would red dwarf systems be? I mean, it would be awesome seeing as there are so many of them and they live so long...

[Anonymous No.1826285]

>>1826275
the habitable zone of red dwarfs last for longer than yellow dwarfs

>our sun is a yellow dwarfs

[Anonymous No.1826288]

/sci/ I came to you to ask this question about this planet, sort of.

How far away are we from actually having some form of transport that could get us there in a human lifetime?

[Anonymous No.1826299]

>>1826288
very

you aren't getting off the Earth, bro

[Anonymous No.1826300]

>>1826269

>Humans do not exist, what you saw was actually a movie prop like this one from one of the Glieswood movie sets. There's nothing to see here, go back to your ponds!

[Anonymous No.1826302]

>>1826288
it would take 412 years 22 days to reach. Its more realistic if we send a fleet of autonomous robots, at least until we can bring that number to lower than 50 years

[Anonymous No.1826304]

>>1826288

Unless they find a way to extend the lifespans of currently living human beings by several centuries, there's no point even thinking about it. You'll be long dead before the first starships set out and unlikely to even see the colonization of Mars at our current pace of space exploration.

[Anonymous No.1826307]

>>1826299
>>1826302

;_; well shit.

[Anonymous No.1826315]

>>1826304
This is so fucking depressing. Fuck this shit. Can't we stop looking for these places until after we've actually got a fucking way to get to the fucking thing?

[Anonymous No.1826320]

what if the probe had quantum communication capabilities?

i read somewhere that the chinese successfully demonstrated it not long ago.

isnt quantum communication instant? that would mean no 20 year delay right?

[Anonymous No.1826322]

I saw this in the newspaper this morning. Seems pretty cool, even though it's so far away.

[Anonymous No.1826324]

We don't need to find another planet. Just let all the guys on here dig a hole in the ground, stuff their penises in and fuck the earth and whichever doesn't give good Ol' Earth a retard-baby, we keep it, rape...i mean raise it and then live on that and then repeat. Makes perfect logical sense.

[Anonymous No.1826325]

>>1826315
we're looking so that when we finally have faster than light travel in a few millenniums, we'll have a shit ton of places to visit

[Anonymous No.1826327]

>>1826320
There is no such thing as quantum communication, nor any other kind of FTL communication.

[Anonymous No.1826328]

>>1826315

As telescopes get bigger and more advances, we might be able to learn a great deal about exoplanets without actually going there. Of course, it would be hard to ascertain the existence of life from this distance.

[Anonymous No.1826337]

Convenient space travel is never going to happen without harassing worm holes.

We need some intergalactic shortcuts in this bitch

[Anonymous No.1826339]

Carl Sagan would be overjoyed at this news ;-;

He'd probably be the one who discovered it, and the planet would be named Sagan

;-;

[Anonymous No.1826340]

>>1826324
your post makes no sense whatsoever, and doesn't contribute to the discussion at hand. I've read it 3 times and i have come to the conclusion that you are retarded.

[Anonymous No.1826345]

>>1826337

>without harassing worm holes

Leave those poor worm holes alone :_:

[Anonymous No.1826346]

It fucking sucks that we will never seriously explore space in my lifetime. But what about the following:

Say, 50 years from now, we have compiled a list of between tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of "habitable zone" planets. Couldn't we then redirect SETI-like experiments to rigorously explore possible transmissions coming from these narrow points in the sky, rather than the current "we don't know where to look" approach that will most likely yield no results.

Just trying to pretend something interesting may happen in my lifetime, when in all likelihood it will simply be sad_frog.jpg

;_;

[Anonymous No.1826351]

>>1826325
>faster than light travel in a few millenniums

lol

will never happen

[Anonymous No.1826361]

>>1826337
Could we fly a little shuttle around the earth and bounce it off of the earths ionosphere, accidentally a wormholes, bump into a race of beings so old that they've already mastered wormholes and they're like Commodore 64s to them and hope they give us some knowledge on how to make fuckawesome wormholes?

[Anonymous No.1826362]

>>1826346

Even if SETI picked up something, there would still be a huge question over whether the source was natural or artificial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

SETI is a joke.

[Anonymous No.1826373]

>>1826346

Read Stanislaw Lem's Solaris for an idea of the huge problems involved in 'alien contact.

http://www.ebookstack.com/content/solaris'

[Anonymous No.1826375]

>The fastest man made ship the Challenger was recorded as going about 18,000 mph. Which means it would travel 157,680,000 miles per year. That means for the challenger to travel one light year it would take 20,611 years for a man made machine to travel one light year.

No, it doesn't mean that. A ship designed for interstellar travel would not be limited to a paltry 18,000 mph. A nuclear-propelled ship could (theoretically) reach speeds in the millions of miles per hour.

[Anonymous No.1826380]

>>1826362

...and of course there was that experiment where the astronomers couldn't even decipher a message written by a human. I forget the name of the incident but it happened at a conference in the late 70s, I think

[Anonymous No.1826388]

>>1826375
Yeah like the general population would allow nuclear rockets due to how people still think there's a danger from using them despite this not being the cold war.

[Anonymous No.1826391]

You guys are fucking retarded. We don't even know if there's life there and going there is a fucking waste just to end up with a dead rock planet like I expect will be the case.

You know what's stupid? People who keep expecting and trying to find shit that is similar to our own with high hopes of finding gold. We don't even completely have a full understand of extraterrialial biological and we've found life in the most unlikely places on earth. Why would planets outside be different?

What we NEED is a better way to actually DETECT life beyond earth. You faggots are already talking about intelligent life but how about extraterrestrial life first, huh? Idiots.

[Anonymous No.1826393]

If we could generate some antimatter:

http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Interstellar_Vehicle_Venture_Star

[Anonymous No.1826394]

>>1826388
>implying that would matter half a shit when we need to get the hell off this planet

[Anonymous No.1826395]

>>1826325
>faster than light travel

niggas don't know bout my special relativity

[Anonymous No.1826397]

>>1826391
lol u mad
must suck to be failing

[Anonymous No.1826398]

>>1826362
wow signal was a passing alien ship, if we point it at their planet, the signal would last long enough for us to realize its artificial

[Anonymous No.1826403]

412,220*
Why are we not doing something that would take over the entire length of our civilisation from start to finish?

1. Battery capacity
2. Fuel capacity
3.Communication impossible (radio interference, lack of strength)
4.in 100 years we will have ion thrusters capable of making the journey in a more acceptable timeframe

[Anonymous No.1826412]

>>1826397
Yeah I mad, you still retarded though. You couldn't comprehend your own failing irony.

[Anonymous No.1826418]

>>1826362
>>1826362
>>1826362
but I like SETi ;__________;

[Anonymous No.1826421]

>>1826418
SETI accomplished nothing except being worthless.

[Anonymous No.1826443]

>>1826421
well, that and hogging my CPU

[None !icpFTW4/1E No.1826455]

>>1826393
It would take more energy to make antimatter than would be released annihilating it. Electromagnetic Scoop shields and Bussard Ramjets are the way to go

[Anonymous No.1826478]

>>1826403
>1. Battery capacity
>2. Fuel capacity
Nuclear power, solar power, fuck conventional fuel sources


>3.Communication impossible (radio interference, lack of strength)
Autonomous fleet of robots working together and sharing information with each other,

refer to post >>1826252


>4.in 100 years we will have ion thrusters capable of making the journey in a more acceptable timeframe

In 100 years i'll be dead

[Anonymous No.1826501]

>>1826421
I think SETI is worthless now, but I think SETI-like projects could become useful if we had a large library of habitable planets that we could actually point our telescopes at to listen.

[Anonymous No.1826519]

Maybe, in the future, mankind will develop ways to travel at more than half the speed of light. I like the thought that we would be aliens if we'd send men there.

[Anonymous No.1826524]

>>1826393

>>1826455 <----This

Scientists at CERN had already created anti-matter back in 1995. Look up the PS210 experiment. However it takes a helluva long time to make an absurdly small amount of the stuff. On top of that storing the shit is a pain in the ass by itself.

[Anonymous No.1826536]

>>1826455

>It would take more energy to make antimatter than would be released annihilating it

Not if we have unobtainium...

[Anonymous No.1826652]

>>1826536
>beautiful_neytiri_in_avatar-no(...).jpg

sorry bro, but thats not beautiful, thats a deformed cat/human hybrid

[Anonymous No.1826681]

>>1826269
lol'd

[Anonymous No.1826689]

>>1826652
>a deformed cat/human hybrid
... I can fap to that!

[Anonymous No.1826691]

>>1826304
>>1826315
The people who will be born in a time where space travel is ordinary, and curing cancer and aids is like getting over a cold, will take all that just as much for granted as we do with cellphones and heart transplants.

There are kids today who don't know how it was when you had to walk to your best friends house to show him the latest video game they announced in a magazine.

[Anonymous No.1826776]

>>1826302
>lower than 50 years
not gonna happen ever

[Anonymous No.1826795]

>>1826776
>bitches don't know about my folding space

[Anonymous No.1826807]

>>1826478
>In 100 years i'll be dead

anti-aging is coming bro

[Anonymous No.1826809]

>>1826807
hahahahahaha no

[Anonymous No.1826827]

>>1826809

mark my words, boy. it's-a coming