/sfg/ - Spaceflight General

[Anonymous No.15799543]

Asteroid rubble - edition

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[Anonymous No.15799562]

>>15799543
What? That's it?
That's all they got?

[Anonymous No.15799565]

>>15799543
"Water Bearing Clay Fibers" and not space creatures. Ignore their screams.

[Anonymous No.15799566]

it's over...

[Anonymous No.15799567]

>>15799562
>That's it?
That's the outer area, the main chunks of samples are still within.

[Anonymous No.15799568]

>>15799562
No, that's the over sample or whatever they're calling it, because the probe grabbed too much to fit in the sample basket. The main sample is below that cover.

[Anonymous No.15799576]

Girl Science.

[Anonymous No.15799579]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1712149124689129657

[Anonymous No.15799583]

Can't wait for a TBM to bore my home on the moon.

[Anonymous No.15799589]

Soon

[Anonymous No.15799592]

>>15799543
Cancel MSR

[Anonymous No.15799600]

>>15799562
Shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.15799601]

>>15799600
no

[Anonymous No.15799610]

To help you orient yourself, this is the zoom out on the returned sample head. This ring with the last chance patches on it was supposed to touch the surface and initiate the sample collection into the main chamber in the center.

Instead, it plunged into the surface and got stuffed.

[Anonymous No.15799611]

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>>15799601
All me btw. Cancel dragonfly

[Anonymous No.15799618]

the EROI (energy returned on energy invested) value for photovoltaic solar has me distressed

[Anonymous No.15799621]

>COTS needs 2 providers
>CRS needs 2 providers
>CC needs 2 providers
>HLS needs 2 providers
>CLD need 2 providers
But for some reason SLS/Orion is enough.
Why is that?

[Anonymous No.15799623]

>>15799618
It should be okay as long as you are in the red, but people keep installing those things everywhere because it's fashionable...

[Anonymous No.15799627]

>>15799621
>BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY?!

[Anonymous No.15799629]

>>15799623
>Atacama desert

[Anonymous No.15799630]

>>15799543
Let's create solar positioning system so we can a little more look out but stay in sync and position.

[Anonymous No.15799635]

>>15799621
SLS only is all well and good until the OIG permanently grounds it, then what?

[Anonymous No.15799636]

In space, there was so much material it started to leak out, so they rushed to place it into the return capsule to capture as much as possible. The main sample is in the cylinder on top.

Then they closed it up, and back to Earth. Now the sample head is being opened tarting from ring side.

[Anonymous No.15799637]

>>15799636
Who gives a shit the only thing that matters is what we find from it and that wont be for another couple months atleast.

[Anonymous No.15799640]

>>15799635
OIG can't do shit. You need someone from congress to raise this issue.

[Anonymous No.15799645]

does someone know which satellites has the longest operating solar panels? I'm interested in solar panel lifetimes

[Anonymous No.15799646]

>>15799627
I was thinking yesterday, if SRBs cause so much vibration, were they actually the cause of foam shedding on the external tank? It would be hilarious if SRBs not only made booster reusability impossible and delta v lower, but if they also caused 14 deaths.

[Anonymous No.15799647]

>>15799637
>Who gives a shit the only thing that matters is what we find from it and that wont be for another couple months atleast.

Troll, there's a clock ticking on getting the samples out, because there are volatiles. The timeline was 10 days to get everything into containers for distribution and archiving, but that is stretching out.

Now, go away.

[Anonymous No.15799648]

>>15799646
btw what is that bronze looking jewellery on the cargo bay doors?

[Anonymous No.15799651]

>>15799645
Heres a big NASA guide on that, best I can do for you. https://www.nasa.gov/smallsat-institute/sst-soa/power-subsystems/.. Its got all the other systems too.

[Anonymous No.15799654]

>>15799647
and trolls we don't feed

[Anonymous No.15799655]

>>15799651
thanks very mach and thanks NASA for writing such extensive guides

[Anonymous No.15799658]

>>15799647
Stupid faggot thinks we have no way of preserving the sample past 10 days when its been just fine for years in the capsule. Rope now worthless downie.

[Anonymous No.15799663]

>>15799658
Since you don't know what volatiles are and how quickly they degrade, you should not participate in this discussion.

Now, shoo.

[Anonymous No.15799665]

>>15799663
I know that your mom was volatile in bed last night.

[Anonymous No.15799669]

>>15799665
GEG

[Anonymous No.15799671]

Pop quiz, what planet will the blacks have for themselves?

[Anonymous No.15799672]

>>15799671
earth

[Anonymous No.15799688]

>>15799672
True. It will be renamed Niggerzonia by our descendants who have forgotten its origin.

[Anonymous No.15799745]

>>15799621
Found the racist. BLM will come after you now

[Anonymous No.15799752]

https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1712140634952282306

[Anonymous No.15799753]

https://www.amiami.com/eng/detail/?gcode=LTD-FIG-10253
I would totally buy this if she was flatter but the boobs don't really work on her body type

[Anonymous No.15799757]

>>15799752
This is an interesting contrast with Hayabusa 2's findings, where Ryugu had LESS water than they were expecting

[Anonymous No.15799761]

>>15799583
You: tunnel rat pleb
Me: crater palace patrician

[Anonymous No.15799768]

>>15799761
enjoy your vacuum drying

[Anonymous No.15799796]

>>15799752
>carbon and water were found in the asteroid made of carbon and water

Amazing

[Anonymous No.15799799]

>>15799796
its only about 5% carbon

[Anonymous No.15799801]

>>15799796
Gay faggot sissy hands wrote this

[Anonymous No.15799824]

Tech innovations help Space Force guardians prepare for the battlefield above, NASA calls off spacewalk due to leak on International Space Station
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https://spacenews.com/tech-innovations-help-space-force-guardians-prepare-for-the-battlefield-above/
> To cultivate the requisite skills for competition with spacefaring global powers, the Space Force is exploring the use of technologies capable of making virtual and remote training far more realistic and immersive than previously possible.
> Augmented and virtual reality technologies have been around for decades, but have undergone significant evolution in recent years, Hyland noted. Lighter and more affordable headsets, coupled with the standardization of software and hardware accessories, have rendered immersive experiences more accessible.
> Another change happening in the Space Force is the adoption of commercial-like proliferated constellations.
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https://www.space.com/international-space-station-us-spacewalk-delayed-nauka-leak
> Spacewalks taking place with floating ammonia flakes present often need extra steps to avoid contamination of equipment or astronauts. The cause of the leak remains under investigation.
> The Nauka coolant leak Monday was first reported by NASA's Mission Control from a camera view, and confirmed by Moghbeli with a visual check from the station's wraparound cupola windows. Nauka's backup radiator (the one that was leaking) is a 13-year-old device originally used on the Russian Rassvet module. Cosmonauts transferred that radiator to Nauka during an April 2023 spacewalk.
> Nauka's coolant leak is the third in Russian ISS equipment in the past year, following a December 2022 leak in a Soyuz spacecraft built for astronauts, and a February 2023 leak in a Progress spacecraft designed for cargo. The Soyuz, called MS-22, was so damaged by the leak that Roscosmos elected to bring the three manifested astronauts home in a replacement Soyuz in September.

[Anonymous No.15799826]

>>15799623
We need to completely depopulate the middle east and turn it into a big solar panel.

[Anonymous No.15799828]

>>15799824
THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING

[Anonymous No.15799830]

>>15799801
Project harder

[Anonymous No.15799835]

>>15799647
volatiles be like
>4.5 billion years baking at up to 100 celcius in unfiltered sunlight while exposed to hard vacuum? I sleep
>10 days at 20-ish celcius on Earth in a clean room, real shit?

[Anonymous No.15799836]

CNES Selects HEMERIA to Produce 90 Research Balloons, Economic Opportunity Created Through Sustained Lunar Habitation by 2040 (opinion)
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/cnes-selects-hemeria-to-produce-90-research-balloons/
> CNES has renewed its contract with aerospace and defense company HEMERIA to produce stratospheric balloons for the French space agency’s scientific campaigns.
> Strateole-2 aims to study atmospheric events above the equator. The French-led project includes researchers from the US, India, Australia, and Italy. Each campaign of the project includes the launch of several balloons that are capable of staying aloft at altitudes of between 18 and 20 kilometres for over three months, drifting with the winds for distances up to 80,000 kilometres.
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https://spaceref.com/opinion/economic-opportunity-created-through-sustained-lunar-habitation-2040-roadmapping-opportunities-technologies-challenges-lunar-exploration/
> The concept of lunar habitation holds profound implications for scientific exploration, resource utilization, and the expansion of human civilization beyond Earth.
> Lunar resources are a potential goldmine, offering economic promise at various time horizons. These resources include water ice for propellant and life support (near term), solar power (medium term), rare minerals and metals (long term), and helium-3 for nuclear fusion (longer term).
> Several countries and groups, including the U.S., China, the European Union, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Japan, India, and others, have the potential for substantial investments in lunar habitation.
> By 2040, we anticipate achieving self-sustaining lunar bases in multiple locations, establishing basic command and control over lunar surface and orbit, contributing to Earth’s economy through resource exports, and advancing technologies beyond lunar colonies.
> The economic opportunity created through sustained lunar habitation by 2040 is immense.

[Anonymous No.15799837]

Let's be very honest again, we don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. Falcon 9 Heavy may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis... I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry.

[Anonymous No.15799838]

>>15799830
Mad I called you out? Youre either a fag or an incel, and the way you type points to fag. How about you cool off in the vacuum of space, here let me get the door for you.

[Anonymous No.15799842]

>>15799752
>muh building blocks of life
shut the fuck up, we've known asteroids and comets contain carbon tars for decades now, this is not new or surprising information.

[Anonymous No.15799848]

>>15799842
No YOU shut the fuck up. This is huge for JPL to fund the next mission. You are tarded

[Anonymous No.15799852]

>>15799838
Get some help

[Anonymous No.15799855]

>>15799848
>unironically advocating for more JPL funding
get in the ring, launch is in 5 minutes we need to make sure youre crispy

[Anonymous No.15799865]

so we have execution by launch, and execution by airlock. do we have anything else in 0g/low g?

[Anonymous No.15799869]

>>15799855
is that a threat?

[Anonymous No.15799872]

>>15799865
for low gravity -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarpeian_Rock
Victims will take longer to fall and therefore they will suffer more

[Anonymous No.15799874]

>>15799865
Execution by burn works always, doesn't have to be at launch.
It also makes for a great deep space funeral rite.

[Anonymous No.15799878]

Lol Berger at it again

[Anonymous No.15799880]

https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1712169896044306578

[Anonymous No.15799882]

https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1712198943382073767

[Anonymous No.15799886]

>>15799882
Post a screenshot next time fag

[Anonymous No.15799887]

https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1712198943382073767

jj

[Anonymous No.15799889]

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[Anonymous No.15799891]

>>15799889

[Anonymous No.15799893]

>>15799891

[Anonymous No.15799897]

>>15799893

[Anonymous No.15799898]

https://twitter.com/GregScott_photo/status/1712177277776101583

[Anonymous No.15799901]

>>15799898

[Anonymous No.15799903]

>>15799901
Fully erect

[Anonymous No.15799904]

>>15799865
Death by exposure to raw sunlight and all the nasty UV bands blocked by the ozone layer would be nasty. Don't know if there's a material that can retain pressure but allow those wavelengths to pass however.

[Anonymous No.15799905]

>>15799901

[Anonymous No.15799906]

>>15799903
>>15799852
Are you this anon?

[Anonymous No.15799908]

>>15799905

[Anonymous No.15799909]

>>15799906
Through erection, unity?

[Anonymous No.15799913]

[Anonymous No.15799938]

Railgun unironically the most sensible alternative launch system, it won't be super cost effective but you can build a huge ass railgun and turn it into a tourist attraction and filming location.

[Anonymous No.15799959]

>>15799576
Girls shouldn't be allowed to do science

[Anonymous No.15799960]

>>15799959
You must be 18 or older to post here

[Anonymous No.15799970]

>>15799960
low testosterone hands typed this

[Anonymous No.15800002]

>>15799565
>Read framboids as fembois
kill me

[Anonymous No.15800003]

>>15799959
They can do kitchen science

[Anonymous No.15800020]

>>15799970
HRT-infused hands typed this

[Anonymous No.15800023]

>>15800000
Checking the GET

[Anonymous No.15800025]

>>15800023
Waste of a fucking /sfg/ GET in the old thread, god fucking damn it.

[Anonymous No.15800060]

>>15800025
stfu.

[Anonymous No.15800061]

>>15800020
This doesn't make sense

[Anonymous No.15800074]

>>15799796
You're the reason why education sucks ass now. Publish or Die is literally because of fucking retards like you.

[Anonymous No.15800082]

Anyone got a spaceflight topic we can pick sides and argue about?

[Anonymous No.15800084]

>>15800082
Ceres is a planet

[Anonymous No.15800086]

>>15800082
No. Psyche just got weather delayed until Friday. All is lost.

[Anonymous No.15800087]

>>15800023
based get waster

[Anonymous No.15800088]

>>15800084
I agree doe

[Anonymous No.15800093]

>>15800082
SpaceX is overrated reddit tier. Vulcan SMART recovery will be awesome and better than F9

[Anonymous No.15800101]

>>15800084
This, but also Pluto.

[Anonymous No.15800102]

>>15800082
what is the optimal propellant for spacetugs?
electric, chemical or something else?

[Anonymous No.15800106]

>>15800082
The solar system is a spaceplane

[Anonymous No.15800110]

>>15800102
Hydrazene - It Just Werks

[Anonymous No.15800115]

>>15800102
Nitrus oxide

[Anonymous No.15800132]

>>15800102
water

[Anonymous No.15800142]

>>15800082
SLS needs to exist because it keeps the boomers occupied 90% of the time, otherwise they'll focus all their energies in destroying the planet and dooming our chance of conquering the stars.

[Anonymous No.15800145]

>>15800132
Wasn't there a cubesat that tested water propulsion a while back

[Anonymous No.15800157]

>>15799648
I thinks they use it to open the cargo bay doors on the ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meydaut1DQE
jhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16GTrWfU8DU

[Anonymous No.15800171]

>>15800084
You misspelled the Moon

[Anonymous No.15800174]

>>15800101
>Pluto is a planet
lol no

[Anonymous No.15800180]

>>15800082
nuclear is not needed for the outer solar system

[Anonymous No.15800188]

>>15800180
You bitch. How dare you.

[Anonymous No.15800189]

>>15800180
you dumb faggot

[Anonymous No.15800190]

>>15800082
saying that the asteroid sample return mission is underwhelming or useless seem to be rustling some major jimmies

[Anonymous No.15800191]

>>15800082
Musk is the secret sauce in SpaceX
it isn't just luck

[Anonymous No.15800192]

>>15800191
how is this controversial? its self evident

[Anonymous No.15800204]

>>15800180
I'm gonna kick your shins

[Anonymous No.15800219]

>>15800180
Gas giants have magnetic fields, don't they?

[Anonymous No.15800222]

>>15799623
What happens here?

[Anonymous No.15800223]

>>15799210
>$1.8 billion in backlog across nine customers
How much of this will actually materialize?

[Anonymous No.15800225]

>>15800180
Based schizo

[Anonymous No.15800236]

>>15800222
Literally only farming. Nothing else.

[Anonymous No.15800237]

>>15800219
Wheres the 4ASS logo?

[Anonymous No.15800245]

Shuttle SBRs trucking thru LA today. Headed for the local science museum.

[Anonymous No.15800246]

*honk*

[Anonymous No.15800251]

>>15800245
The gays of LA celebrating a national symbol of O-ring failure lmfao

[Anonymous No.15800256]

>>15800245
gaping

[Anonymous No.15800261]

>>15800102
fission products and tungsten plasma

[Anonymous No.15800262]

>>15800171
bullshit argument about the moon's orbit continue to be bullshit

[Anonymous No.15800269]

>>15799565
>live framboid coverage
finally

[Anonymous No.15800270]

>>15799565
>We still don't know how much they got
Dammit we have a pool going for how much

[Anonymous No.15800271]

>>15799568
>>15799562
>>15799543

[Anonymous No.15800275]

>>15799671
That's a trick question. Niggerzonia will be subject to orbital bombardment until none are left.

[Anonymous No.15800278]

>>15799796
kek

[Anonymous No.15800279]

Your Sig Alert for today.

[Anonymous No.15800282]

>>15799835
nice mix of big brains and ass blasted retards in this thread
keep it up

[Anonymous No.15800284]

"Hey -- my wallet!"

[Anonymous No.15800285]

>>15799869
I wish

>>15799865
execution by abandonment on earth

[Anonymous No.15800289]

>>15799938
I think the atmosphere is too thick for it to be practical on Niggerzonia

[Anonymous No.15800294]

>>15800284
as predicted by
>>15799688

[Anonymous No.15800296]

>>15799835
Usually when people don't know what they're talking about, they should sit quietly and listen:

https://spacenews.com/osiris-rex-safely-stores-asteroid-sample/

[Anonymous No.15800297]

>>15800190
> Stop talking about Space! More about Elon! Elon!

[Anonymous No.15800318]

>>15800262
>Wah!
>the moon's orbit isn't planety enough!
>I subscribe to barycenters or some other retarded planet definition
sucks for you but you're living on a double planet system

[Anonymous No.15800322]

reminder that the barycenter of our solar system is outside of the diameter of the sun
thanks Jupiter you fat ass

[Anonymous No.15800325]

Tory Bruno forced me to take the vaxx. AMA

[Anonymous No.15800327]

"Jet-sonnnnn!"

$2 billion and counting to refuel a quarter century old obsolete bird that has already been replaced seems like an unwise use of NASA money.

[Anonymous No.15800333]

>>15800322
only sometimes

[Anonymous No.15800334]

>>15800327
Two billion dollars for a box with a robot arm or two on it. Very cool.

[Anonymous No.15800336]

let's say I bought a big piece of land. Would it be possible to assemble some kind of rocket to space? how much would it cost? return to Earth is not of concern. the alternative is hot air balloon I suppose

[Anonymous No.15800338]

>>15800336
google that flat earth guy who died a few years ago

[Anonymous No.15800339]

>>15800336
It'd be cheaper to pay falcon 9 rideshare costs

[Anonymous No.15800346]

>>15800333
Fucking orbital mechanics

[Anonymous No.15800347]

>>15800336
bare minimum of a rocket to space? $15k
you don't get orbit, or a usable payload, but you can go to space.
hobbyists have done this before. it takes roughly a pair of N class armature rocket motors in a 2 stage rocket

[Anonymous No.15800348]

>>15800334
The replacement LANDSATS have a hardware cost of $240 million. So a $2 billion and counting service call is dumb. Very dumb.

[Anonymous No.15800350]

>>15800338
He made some nonsensical steam contraption though. You could build a sugar rocket that would give you a glorious karmen line funeral in your backyard if you could get that much potassium nitrate without glowniggers kicking down your door.

[Anonymous No.15800361]

>>15800236
how do you know

[Anonymous No.15800371]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFcsMBQ73G0

Starbase Flyover Update, in case it wasn't posted before

[Anonymous No.15800373]

Poison thread?

[Anonymous No.15800382]

>>15799579
is spacex going to be selling their own phones anytime soon now that they have the infrastructure to do everything else?
they could take over pretty much everything as far as data connectivity goes if they did, probably generate a couple trillion dollars in annual revenue.

[Anonymous No.15800390]

>>15799579
>and browsing

0 chance it has the up/downlink capability for this. Just calls and texting is amazing, just be honest about it.

[Anonymous No.15800400]

>>15800382
Nah. In time, Tesla will make the phones and integrate directly into Starlink on a level better than most third party devices. Tesla has the silicon, engineering, robotics, and manufacturing know how to best do this in part due to their integrated touch dash for their vehicles. While SpaceX has similar capability with Dragon and eventually with Starship, they won't have that for at least a decade to come.

[Anonymous No.15800404]

>>15800325
I think I'll do acid tomorrow. Don't ask me anything.

[Anonymous No.15800428]

>>15800180
it's true, lazors will get you there much faster than nukes

[Anonymous No.15800442]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNVfYWZdKQM

[Anonymous No.15800451]

https://youtu.be/w5LCl2SRbkM?t=9m25s
>Tom Mueller wearing an NSF shirt
Apologize

[Anonymous No.15800465]

>>15800451
Kys

[Anonymous No.15800476]

>>15800465
All three of them work at SpaceX. Apologize to them

[Anonymous No.15800492]

>>15800400
I'd imagine a tesla phone to be terrible. Since they like removing buttons and such so much I bet it wouldn't even have volume buttons on it just a power button

[Anonymous No.15800516]

>>15800390
If it has the bandwidth for calls it has the bandwidth for browsing

t. 56k enjoyer

[Anonymous No.15800522]

>>15800516
Are you really still on dial up? How does it even work with outrageously bloated and fucked up modern web

[Anonymous No.15800525]

>>15800522
I browse with javascript disabled for most use cases so it's pretty much an identical experience to broadband until you need to look at images

You get weirdos like >>15800451 making PNGs out of photos and posting multi-MB files

[Anonymous No.15800613]

>>15800404
another lost teenager inspired to do drugs by Elon Musk

[Anonymous No.15800640]

>>15800325
did he harvested your adrenenochrome while he was at it?
do you reckon 2 weeks (nanobotic zombification) will come before 2 weeks (OFT-2)?

[Anonymous No.15800709]

>>15800525
Please enjoy this gif

[Anonymous No.15800716]

>>15800318
>you're living on a double planet system
so true

[Anonymous No.15800744]

>>15800222
No data for whatever reason.

Note that northern 60+ latitudes are also cut off, because they have pitiful <2 KWh/kWp averages and huge summer/winter variance.

[Anonymous No.15800748]

>>15800327
Initiate mental gymnastics algorithm.

[Anonymous No.15800753]

>>15800744
nooooo! you can build solar anywhere, geography don't real!!

[Anonymous No.15800762]

>>15800492
>just a power button
you're underestimating them

[Anonymous No.15800773]

Where are the SpaceX gunships?

[Anonymous No.15800797]

>>15800753
Why not. Burning fuel wood is way less efficient land use than solar PV, and solar costs keep going down.

[Anonymous No.15800808]

>>15800773
The satellites are both communication devices and weapons.

[Anonymous No.15800828]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1712343428711776653

[Anonymous No.15800832]

>>15800797
but you can't just plant solar panels, you have to build them.

[Anonymous No.15800833]

>>15799826
Imagine a fuckoff-huge solar storm that kills the grid during a harsh winter. Everyone without wood heating freezes to death.

lol
lmao

[Anonymous No.15800835]

>>15800753
how come solar is considered the cheapest energy source when it's this dependent on supporting policies.

[Anonymous No.15800836]

>>15800833
I'm not sure if solar storms would damage solar panels

[Anonymous No.15800841]

>>15800832
just make a lights out factorythat cosntructs them 24/7 for zero cost.

[Anonymous No.15800845]

Serious question, why don't countries such as Austria and Switzerland that can easily absorb daily and weekly fluctuations in solar power with their many dams and pumped storage plants use solar power? After all it's the cheapest source of electricity

[Anonymous No.15800852]

>>15800845
Because they have hydroelectric and nuclear power.

[Anonymous No.15800857]

>>15800833
covering the middle east in solar would result in so much excess capacity we could easily afford to do enough direct fuel synthesis from atmospheric CO2 to run the world as we currently do, but carbon neutral.

[Anonymous No.15800858]

>>15800845
Their land is more valuable without being covered in solar

[Anonymous No.15800863]

>>15800857
palestinians would destroy all the panels in a chimp out season

[Anonymous No.15800865]

>>15800857
No one is going to do this for reasons that the past week has made obvious

[Anonymous No.15800867]

NASA finds water and organics in asteroid sample—possible clues to origin of life (Berger)
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/nasa-finds-water-and-organics-in-asteroid-sample-possible-clues-to-origin-of-life/
> JOHNSON SPACE CENTER, Texas—As they unveiled the first samples recovered from an asteroid on Wednesday, scientists were giddy at the prospects of what this material will tell us about the origin of our planet and possibly even ourselves.
> Scientists have not even opened the main container yet, a process that will unfold in the coming weeks as cataloging all of this material begins.
> So what's the big deal about recovering pristine samples from the surface of an asteroid? The big deal is that Bennu, an asteroid in a near-Earth orbit that is about one-half kilometer across, is believed to be a time capsule for the types of rocks and chemicals that existed when the planets formed in our Solar System more than 4 billion years ago. By studying Bennu, scientists are looking back to that primordial era when Earth began transitioning from an extremely hot world with a hellish surface environment into something more like a mud ball.
> In a preliminary analysis of some of the dust, Lauretta said scientists hit the jackpot with a sample that is nearly 5 percent carbon by mass and has abundant water in the form of hydrated clay minerals. It is highly plausible that asteroids like this delivered the vast majority of the water now found in Earth's oceans, lakes, and rivers billions of years ago.
> "This is incredible material," said Daniel Glavin, a co-investigator on the mission. "It’s loaded with organics. If we're looking for biologically essential organic molecules, we picked the right asteroid, and we brought back the right sample. This is an astrobiologist's dream."
> Understanding the nature of Bennu will help scientists and engineers better understand how best to impact and change the orbit of threatening asteroids in the future.

[Anonymous No.15800871]

>>15800867
> Scientists have not even opened the main container yet, a process that will unfold in the coming weeks as cataloging all of this material begins. Before the launch of this mission, scientists said the recovery of 60 grams of material would be considered a success. While the effort to determine the overall mass is ongoing, Lauretta said early estimates are that the asteroid capture mission collected about 250 grams of pebbles and dust from the surface of Bennu.
>This is not the first mission to return samples from an asteroid. The Japanese space agency has led in this area. Its small Hayabusa 1 spacecraft returned 1,500 tiny asteroid grains to Earth in 2010, and a decade later, the Hayabusa 2 spacecraft returned more, about 5 grams, to Earth.

Hayabusa 1 returned 1500 grains (so probably less than a gram)
Hayabusa 2 returned 5 grams
OSIRIS-REx returned an estimated 250 grams

[Anonymous No.15800876]

Scientists excited by first look at OSIRIS-REx asteroid samples (Foust)
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https://spacenews.com/scientists-excited-by-first-look-at-osiris-rex-asteroid-samples/
> An initial analysis of material showed evidence of water, in the form of hydrated minerals, and a high abundance of carbon. Scientists said the material studied so consisted of 4.7% carbon by weight, among the highest levels of any meteorites studied.
> That analysis was based on a small amount of material, with an estimated mass of less than 1.5 grams, seen when the sample canister was opened. The bulk of the sample is inside the head of the Touch And Go Sample Acquisition Mechanism (TAGSAM), the device that plunged into the surface of Bennu during the October 2020 sampling run, capturing material from the asteroid.
> The amount of that extra material, though, is slowing down efforts to open the sampling head. “We found a lot more sample than we were anticipating before even getting into the TAGSAM,” said Francis McCubbin, OSIRIS-REx astromaterials curator. “Because we need to very meticulously and carefully collect every grain, it’s taking us a little longer to get inside.”
> Dante Lauretta, principal investigator for OSIRIS-REx at the University of Arizona, said in a call with reporters he expected to know the mass of the sample inside the TAGSAM head in about two weeks. “We’re already thrilled with the results” of the initial sample analysis, he said.

two weeks

[Anonymous No.15800881]

>>15800852
Switzerland is a net importer

[Anonymous No.15800883]

>>15800881
Then apparently they're also stupid.

[Anonymous No.15800884]

Intelsat signs multi-launch contract with Relativity Space, U.S. to pursue stronger collaboration with allies in military space programs
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https://spacenews.com/intelsat-signs-multi-launch-contract-with-relativity-space/
> WASHINGTON — Satellite operator Intelsat has signed an agreement with Relativity Space for multiple launches of that company’s Terran R reusable launch vehicle under development.
> The two companies announced Oct. 11 they had signed a multi-year, multi-launch agreement for Terran R launches of Intelsat satellites starting no earlier than 2026, the year Relativity currently projects Terran R making its debut. The companies did not disclose the number of launches included in the agreement or the time span of the agreement.
> The companies also did not disclose the value of the agreement, although Relativity Space said it now has a backlog of more than $1.8 billion from nine customers. The company said in April it had a backlog of $1.65 billion.
> “We see this big gap between supply and demand” at the heavy end of the launch market, said Josh Brost, senior vice president at Relativity Space, during a panel at World Satellite Business Week a month ago, adding that the company expected that imbalance to last “for a very long time.”
---
https://spacenews.com/u-s-to-pursue-stronger-collaboration-with-allies-in-military-space-programs/
> WASHINGTON — Strengthening ties with foreign allies has been a key priority for the U.S. Space Force, whose leaders stress that securing outer space requires global cooperation.
> Space Force pushing initiatives with allies to co-invest in programs and shore up supply chains
> We’ve been discussing ways to jointly architect systems and build capabilities together to avoid duplication and ensure interoperability.”

[Anonymous No.15800886]

>>15800863
>>15800865
see >>15799826
>We need to completely depopulate the middle east

[Anonymous No.15800893]

So now that we have conclusive evidence that asteroids in the inner solar system can easily store high fractional mass percentages of water for billions of years, will faggot egghead retards abandon their claims about the protoplanetary disk inside of Mars' orbit being desiccated by the Sun's heat? Can we stop being surprised to find the most common compound in the universe yet?
I swear most planetary scientists wouldn't be able to tell you how they'd feel today if they didn't eat dinner last night.

[Anonymous No.15800899]

When will I be able to drink asteroid juice

[Anonymous No.15800901]

Italy’s Argotec to design, build, test and operate satellites in Maryland, Debris-removal contenders hit design milestone for double-satellite mission, Second SpaceForest Perun Flight Aborted After Engine Failure
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https://spacenews.com/italys-argotec-to-design-build-test-and-operate-satellites-in-maryland/
> LOS ANGELES – Italian space company Argotec announced plans Oct. 11 to invests $25 million in a manufacturing facility in Maryland that will employ more than 60 people designing, building, testing and operating satellites.
> The first product from the new Largo, Maryland, facility will be a software-defined radio. Argotec will work with NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory to create a streamlined version of the Universal Space Transponder-Lite radio for high-speed communications services in deep space. Following the prototype phase for the software-defined UST-Lite, Argotec plans to expand production for commercial customers.
> UST-Lite, originally developed by JPL, combines a miniature radio with advanced processing to facilitate long-distance data transmission and reception.
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https://spacenews.com/debris-removal-contenders-hit-design-milestone-for-double-satellite-mission/
> TAMPA, Fla. — The two contenders hoping the U.K. chooses them to de-orbit a pair of derelict satellites in 2026 with a single robotic spacecraft have finished the system requirements review for their mission.
The contenders are ClearSpace (Swiss company) and Astroscale (Japanese company)
badly and confusingly written article, but Clearspace is going to use direct robotic docking(?) and Astroscale a magnetic capture mechanism
---
https://europeanspaceflight.com/second-spaceforest-perun-flight-aborted-after-engine-failure/
> Polish space tech company SpaceForest announced 11 October that the second flight of its suborbital Perun launch system had failed. Despite the failure, the company recovered the rocket and intends to return it to the launchpad.

[Anonymous No.15800902]

>>15800522
You can try it yourself anytime.
Open your browser dev tools (F12), go to the network tab and find the options for connection throttling.

Everyone should be using ublocko and noscript anyways so it's not a huge difference. Web is bloated just from the latency and bad design. Most of the time you're just waiting for javascript to compile+run or some pointless back-and-forth ajax communication and all the associated http overhead. Wider bandwidth only enables streaming and makes large file downloads faster.

[Anonymous No.15800904]

>>15800902
>Web is bloated just from the latency and bad design. Most of the time you're just waiting for javascript to compile+run or some pointless back-and-forth ajax communication and all the associated http overhead.
so this is why Twitter is so slow.

[Anonymous No.15800905]

Dragonfly not final hardware

[Anonymous No.15800907]

>>15800902
why not get starlink?

[Anonymous No.15800908]

speaking of streaming where do I watch the Psyche launch? Twitter is not an option and I'd rather not watch NSF

[Anonymous No.15800911]

>>15800901
>ClearSpace
lol, they named a company after a vtuber?

[Anonymous No.15800912]

>>15800904
Well, yes, twitter is a good example of how bad things can get.
Nitter fixes all of that. Twitter's back-end isn't too bad. But you'll still suffer all the other design issues like useless tagging and garbage search.

>>15800907
Well that's one way to get an unstable high-latency connection.
I've had fiber landline for 20 years, I was just telling anon how to get the 56k experience.

[Anonymous No.15800923]

>>15800899
The water on Earth is asteroid juice

[Anonymous No.15800925]

>>15800911
I think its more about clearing space of debris

[Anonymous No.15800926]

>>15800905
Damn, jet propulsion laboratory women look like THAT???

[Anonymous No.15800927]

>>15800902
noscript is not necessary anymore, ublock has a bunch of shit inbuilt now that were previously as different addons, like noscript and anti-tracking

[Anonymous No.15800932]

>>15800925
gay

[Anonymous No.15800933]

>>15800927
Oh, right, I always forget I'm stuck with supporting legacy shit.

If ublock origin had a button to import my noscript rules I would have ditched noscript years ago. It's not like , back when Firefox stopped supporting it properly and it moved to its current janky workaround model for disabling scripts.

[Anonymous No.15800938]

SpaceX files 29,988-satellite W-band network, using Kingdom of Tonga as regulatory home

https://www.spaceintelreport.com/spacex-files-29988-satellite-w-band-network-using-kingdom-of-tonga-as-regulatory-home/

[Anonymous No.15800940]

>>15800938
https://ts2.space/en/spacex-plans-to-deploy-thousands-of-satellites-in-earths-orbit/

> SpaceX, the private aerospace company founded by Elon Musk, has made an advance notice filing with the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) for a constellation of nearly 30,000 satellites in Earth’s orbit. The network, known as ESIAFI II, would consist of 288 orbital planes with satellites placed at altitudes ranging from 350 to 614 kilometers.
>The filing, submitted through the Kingdom of Tonga, marks the first time SpaceX has used Tonga for this purpose. The satellites in ESIAFI II would operate in the W-band frequencies, serving both fixed and mobile satellite services.
>This ambitious project by SpaceX aims to provide global broadband coverage by deploying a massive number of satellites. The satellites placed in multiple orbital planes at different altitudes would enhance coverage and reduce latency for internet users worldwide.
>With the growing demand for connectivity, particularly in remote or underserved areas, SpaceX aims to bridge the digital divide and bring high-speed internet access to even the most isolated regions of the world. The deployment of thousands of satellites would enable a global network that could potentially revolutionize communication and connectivity on a planetary scale.
>While SpaceX has already launched a significant number of satellites under its Starlink project, this new filing indicates the company’s commitment to expanding and improving its satellite network. However, it is important to note that the filing with the ITU is just an initial step, and further regulatory approvals will be required before the actual deployment of these satellites.

[Anonymous No.15800942]

Space Exploration Corp more like LEO Spamming Corp

[Anonymous No.15800943]

>>15800938
What are the implications of this, and is there any relation to hunga tonga-hunga ha'apai

[Anonymous No.15800946]

>>15800835
Seriously though. Why does it need the help?

[Anonymous No.15800947]

>>15800943
Just your usual tax/regulation evasion. Legal but morally criminal activity.

[Anonymous No.15800952]

>>15800938
it's over

[Anonymous No.15800953]

>>15800946
Because it's just a green scam. If it was so cheap and reliable everyone would have transitioned to renewables.
But you see how it went for Germany.

[Anonymous No.15800958]

>>15800946
Panels are cheap, land aint. If the local government doesn't grant solar projects cheap land (or actively throws roadblocks in there) the true costs of solar projects increases massively.

[Anonymous No.15800960]

>>15800958
Power sources with low energy density are shit.

[Anonymous No.15800961]

>>15800947
it's morally criminal to hamper progress in space

[Anonymous No.15800962]

>>15800960
thats what your mom said last night.

[Anonymous No.15800964]

>>15800961
its morally criminal to kill endangered beetles.

[Anonymous No.15800966]

>>15800960
Yup. On planets at least. A million km^2 solar array in solar orbit is fine, because the available space is gigantic, which gives it extremely low associated cost. In orbit the price of panels = the price of the array. On Earth space is limited and space nearby where people live increases in value hugely. Price of panels would end up being a minority of the array price for many areas.

[Anonymous No.15800967]

>>15800961
it's not morally criminal to choke on musk's cock. it's just gay.

[Anonymous No.15800969]

>>15800964
Most species of animal on the planet are beetles. Eradicate one species and another will fill that niche within a few millenia.

[Anonymous No.15800970]

>>15800961
Musk is evil.

[Anonymous No.15800971]

>>15800967
I never mentioned musk or spacex. I said hampering spaceflight progress is immoral.

[Anonymous No.15800972]

>>15800971
youre delusional dude. there are so many more important things than spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.15800973]

>>15800970
see >>15800971

[Anonymous No.15800974]

>322s Isp hypergolic monster
>to be used in a 6x configuration in the first stage of the UR700 150 tonner
>Burning good old N2O4 / UDMH
>+42s of additional Isp when using the immensely toxic Pentaborane instead of UDMH
>cancelled with the N1
Why did the soviets never have funding for the good things?

[Anonymous No.15800975]

>>15800972
Never said there weren't. I said hampering spaceflight progress is immoral.

[Anonymous No.15800977]

>>15799543
Nice roggs, can I have one?

[Anonymous No.15800978]

>>15800974
Would not have significantly changed the course of spaceflight history.

[Anonymous No.15800979]

The first space probe to be launched on a super heavy launcher was the 7K-L1S of N1-L3

>unmanned and automated
>planned to intercept the moon and orbit it
>had measuring instruments aimed at space bodies (cameras to observe the moon)
>was planned to return data back to Earth
>Apollo 4 was too low, 6 wasn’t planned to intercept the moon despite its high apogee, 8 was crewed

[Anonymous No.15800982]

>>15800972
>there are so many more important things than spaceflight
No, complex life is certain to be extinguished by solar brightening in 1-2 billion years, maybe less. Either we take life to the stars or it all perishes

[Anonymous No.15800990]

Antimatter catalyzed hydrazine decomposition rocket

[Anonymous No.15800995]

>>15799848
>JPL
You should actually kill yourself

[Anonymous No.15800997]

>>15800990
Inflight refueling

[Anonymous No.15800998]

>>15800953
many people claim solar is is now the cheapest energy source in the sense kWh/$. Even with solar's high variability the adoption should be higher considering it's the cheapest energy source. I'm not trying to argue I'm just genuinely trying to find an explanation

[Anonymous No.15800999]

>>15800492
Why do you need to turn your phone off?

[Anonymous No.15801001]

>>15800966
there are many countries with a lot of unused land, see: California, Spain, Greece

[Anonymous No.15801002]

>>15800522
Just use a text browser on a remote server and convert images to ASCII if you have a bad imagination.

[Anonymous No.15801006]

someone spoonfeed me a launch stream quickly

[Anonymous No.15801007]

>>15800998
Batteries are still a bitch

[Anonymous No.15801011]

>>15800998
the problem is that its intermittent and variable so you need batteries and it is highly seasonal, so you would a solution for the winter
to make it similar to baseload you need a lot of batteries which drives the cost up, and batteries are supply limited right now and will be probably for a decade to come and making the grid completely renewable will require long term storage of some form which is an unsolved problem

so the pure kWh/$ dollar is kind of misleading, but yes at some point in the future it will probably make up most of the energy created/collected and might even result in stuff like almost free energy intermittently as overbuilding solar and renewables is probably cheaper (to some extent) than building much more batteries and storage in general

[Anonymous No.15801016]

Imagine if, instead of financing Columbus, Ferdinand and Isabella bankrupted themselves to build a clockwork device to scoop up a thimbleful of dirt from the Indies and return. And then when it was "successful" they insisted on being congratulated for it.

[Anonymous No.15801018]

>>15800797
love my woodstove. Heat for free!

[Anonymous No.15801019]

>>15800893
Idiot! I did eat dinner last night!

[Anonymous No.15801021]

>>15800858
Time for agrivoltaics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrivoltaics

[Anonymous No.15801023]

>>15801016
Columbus was a bad thing though.

[Anonymous No.15801025]

>>15801023
Only to you, Watches-Men-Fuck-His-Wife

[Anonymous No.15801034]

>>15801025
Nice derogatory comment from a mouth breathing incel.

[Anonymous No.15801035]

This is such a better plan than Artemis

[Anonymous No.15801038]

Starship launching from Tonga

[Anonymous No.15801040]

Since we're /Solar Fuckup General/ today, here's a short story.

>be finland
>plan huge solar field around 61.5 latitude
>not even 5 degrees from arctic circle
>picrelated is like half of it built
>18 million eurodollars invested
>plan was to directly supply local businesses rather than sell energy to grid
>no you cant do that t. energiavirasto
>fug :DDD
Post solar success stories.

[Anonymous No.15801041]

>>15801035
>the fins on the side of the boosters
those fuckers stole my ksp builds!

[Anonymous No.15801045]

>>15801035
Ok nice powerpoint slide, but do they actually have anything in development seriosuly going on apart from long march tweak number 5043?

[Anonymous No.15801047]

>>15801007
Yes but Austria and Switzerland can easily store some extra solar due to their high pumped storage capacity

[Anonymous No.15801050]

>>15801034
Did it take you all night to come up with that?

[Anonymous No.15801051]

>>15801016
The mission conservatively cost $1 billion, significantly more than 10,000 times the current US median annual household income. In other words, more than 10,000 man years--the work of 100 lifetimes--for a handful of fucking dirt.

The cost of Columbus' first voyage has been estimated at $1 million.

It's just waste for the sake of waste, a natural consequence of politicians being generous with other people's money.

[Anonymous No.15801052]

>>15801040
if it's connected into the grid it's gonna mostly supply the companies anyway, cause that's how electricity works

[Anonymous No.15801054]

>>15801040
Why would they put it on the ground? There are several large, flat rooftops on those commercial buildings on the other side, not to mention the parking lot

[Anonymous No.15801055]

>>15801045
Scaled version of the capsule was first launched in 2016, then full-sized prototype in 2020. It's supposed to be ready in 2027.
Similar case for LM10. They're actively testing the engines.
However, I haven't seen any hardware for the lander yet.

[Anonymous No.15801056]

>>15801052
yes but then the solar project has to sell power into the general market and the companies have to buy from there, which might make this whole thing pointless

[Anonymous No.15801057]

24h to FH kino.
Ria chan is apparently not streaming it.

[Anonymous No.15801058]

>>15801054
putting extra stuff on the roof requires that the roof is more robust
it would also affect the removal of snow for instance

[Anonymous No.15801060]

>>15801058
It’s a flat roof in Finland, that has to be a given anyway

[Anonymous No.15801061]

>>15801054
solar panels on parking lots are nice when it's hot

[Anonymous No.15801063]

>>15801061
retard.

[Anonymous No.15801064]

>>15801061
m8 it's fooking finland
it's never hot
most of the year is dark and cold
they barely get any solar energy

[Anonymous No.15801067]

>>15801060
>flat roof
Why not slant it so the snow melts and slides off

[Anonymous No.15801070]

>>15801067
Thats not how snow works

[Anonymous No.15801074]

>>15801064
oh yeah, I wasn't talking for Finland in particular

[Anonymous No.15801076]

>>15801040
You're leaving something out of the story. Was it built using gibs me bucks?

[Anonymous No.15801078]

>>15801064
the last few years there have been some weeks with +30C
summer is like 3 months and very nice usually (except when it gets oppressingly hot like the last few years, air conditioning is pretty rare due to not being necessary previously)

[Anonymous No.15801083]

>>15801070
Yes it is, a metal slanted roof heats up in the sun and melts the bottom layer of snow, a high enough slant causes it to slide off. It's snowy here like 8 months out of the year, I should know.

[Anonymous No.15801084]

>>15801052
There's a bit more to this case than the solar panel field.
It was supposed to be a major component of a local subgrid or "energy community", a new thing that got codified in EU electricity market directives in the recent years. This would have been a pilot project (among the first in EU if not THE first) to test and develop that kind of thing in a setting that isn't a strictly closed-off industrial area.
So right now they basically have their own independent and self-sufficient renewable power grid going on, but they're not allowed to add consumers to their grid. They're only allowed to sell the energy to national grid via local energy distributor companies. Yeah. This whole EU energy community thing isn't codified in finnish law yet, so there's red tape to be cut and rearranged before things get sensible. Enough perkele in meetings and things will eventually work out. Plus, the whole Ukraine war situation should help with projects related to energy security.

>>15801076
IIRC most of the investment came from the municipality and local businesses that wanted in. It got 5 M€ gibs from Ministry of Economic Affairs, but then Energy Authority cockblocked the whole idea. Talk about mixed messages from the govt.

[Anonymous No.15801102]

>>15801051
>The cost of Columbus' first voyage has been estimated at $1 million.
no way in hell. at that cost he wouldn't have needed the spanish monarchy to finance it. granted 3 ships and a hundred men for a few months does not compare to over a thousand engineers for multiple years

[Anonymous No.15801104]

>>15800940
>Try to evade slow FCC and bad regs by going international
>Try your luck at the ITU, which is even slower and has active Chinese involvement with a demonstrated desire to prevent SpaceX from succeeding
I don't believe they thought this through enough

[Anonymous No.15801121]

>>15801035
Yup, but… it’s taking them for fucking ever just to get LM10 online. Which is supposed to be the “faster” leap frog while they built LM9. If LM10 were flying this year or next year I would bend the knee but it’s NET 2027 right now so yeah. Not that cool. The united states will no doubt have starship by then, and I wouldn’t be surprised if NASA started looking at ways to get crews to the moon besides SLS-Orion by that point

[Anonymous No.15801127]

Sciencegoys.. you are still here. When are you leaving this planet?

[Anonymous No.15801128]

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1712486972806082746

NASA has issued an updated commercial crew manifest:
SpaceX Crew-8: no earlier than (NET) mid-Feb 2024
Boeing CFT: NET mid-April 2024
SpaceX Crew-9: NET mid-August 2024
Crew-10/Starliner-1: early 2025

[Anonymous No.15801129]

>>15801102
>For example, according to Las Casas (1951), a priest and contemporary of Columbus, the crown advanced 1,000,000 maravedis and Columbus contributed 500,000 maravedis to the venture.

Apparently there's no good way to convert maravedis to modern US dollars, but there are estimates of between $0.10 and $0.50, which would make the 2,000,000 maravedis cost of the expedition between $200,000 and $1 million.

[Anonymous No.15801132]

>>15801128
Boeing CFT delayed to mid April 2024.

[Anonymous No.15801133]

https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1712185388431794680

[Anonymous No.15801137]

>>15801133
>ForTheBenefitofE*rth
I hope BO never gets to orbit

[Anonymous No.15801139]

>>15801137
Will you nigger ever learn?
Earth is not your problem. Humans are. Any place with humans in it will be just as shitty as Earth.

[Anonymous No.15801140]

>>15800797
>solarfag wants to talk about land use efficiency

[Anonymous No.15801142]

>>15801137
First Great Martian Empire when?

[Anonymous No.15801144]

>>15801140
Put solar on buildings and on hydroelectric reservoirs, that land issue becomes nothing

[Anonymous No.15801145]

>>15801133
What are the chances that the humidity appeared during the huge reentry temp change? A hole would explain atmospheric humidity as well as the black dust mess outside of where it was supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.15801153]

>>15801140
Fake graph lmao.

A single nuclear plant needs a 10 mile radius safety zone, just for the plumes in case of emergencies. 50 mile radius for food toxicity levels.

[Anonymous No.15801155]

>>15801153
Physical restrictions vs gay scaredy-cat regulation restrictions. I’ll take nuclear power.

[Anonymous No.15801156]

>>15801155
>get cancer
>for free
kek

[Anonymous No.15801161]

>>15801153
Why are you lying?

[Anonymous No.15801162]

>>15801156
>Insinuating you don’t get cancer from the sun or smog

[Anonymous No.15801164]

Sciencegoys.. you are still here. When are you leaving this planet?

[Anonymous No.15801165]

>>15801156
>standing within 10 miles of a nuclear reactor gives you hyper leukemia AIDS bro

[Anonymous No.15801166]

>>15801156
scaremongering

[Anonymous No.15801167]

>>15801153
>50 mile radius for food toxicity levels.
Lmao solarfags make up all sorts of cute shit don't they

[Anonymous No.15801169]

Never trust a solarfag, he's the enemy of humanity.

[Anonymous No.15801170]

>>15801139
90% of e*rthers do not qualify as human.

[Anonymous No.15801171]

>>15801153
>no mention of 10 mile radius
>no mention of 50 mile radius
You do realize that nuclear power plants have less background radiation than average natural countryside, right?

[Anonymous No.15801172]

>>15801167
>>15801165
https://www.nrc.gov/about-nrc/emerg-preparedness/about-emerg-preparedness/planning-zones.html
I dont make the rules, its a rule made after multiple nuclear accidents. Chernobyl exclusionary zone is ~20 mile radius.

Nuclear has a safety hazard cost such that built outside the cities

[Anonymous No.15801173]

>>15801167
>food toxicity levels

[Anonymous No.15801174]

>>15801102
They rented one ship and confiscated two (as a penalty for piracy!) which really cut down on the costs.

[Anonymous No.15801175]

>>15801172
its bullshit
chernobyl should be ignored while making these regulations

[Anonymous No.15801177]

>>15801156
>I prefer to get cancer from coal smoke

[Anonymous No.15801179]

>>15801177
You dont get cancer from solar/geothermal/wind/hydro/etc.

[Anonymous No.15801180]

>>15801179
All of those kill more people than nuclear, per watt.

[Anonymous No.15801181]

>>15801179
In fact, you can put wind/solar right on top of your roof and not get any cancer, it would instead reduce the natural cancer rate by reducing the amount of radiation that the sun shins upon your house and enters inside.

[Anonymous No.15801182]

BERGER JUST POSTED
https://arstechnica.com/?p=1975565

[Anonymous No.15801183]

>>15801182
Oh no no no

[Anonymous No.15801184]

>>15801182
Just as planned.

Arianespace is US without SpaceX to bootstrap commercial space industry. Its Europe's ULA

[Anonymous No.15801185]

>>15801182
Oops!

[Anonymous No.15801186]

https://twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1712497769716318217

[Anonymous No.15801187]

>>15801182
Bezosbros... we won

[Anonymous No.15801188]

>>15801182
>launch savings
Was it ever a part of the plan?

[Anonymous No.15801189]

>>15801186
https://oig.nasa.gov/docs/IG-24-001.pdf

[Anonymous No.15801190]

>>15801188
sure, but they were never gonna get it

[Anonymous No.15801191]

>>15801187
why are their eyes so asymmetric

[Anonymous No.15801192]

>>15801058
panels are significantly lighter than even a couple cms of snow

[Anonymous No.15801193]

>>15801182
how could this happen, I'm so surprised

[Anonymous No.15801196]

>>15801186
Not with this admin

[Anonymous No.15801199]

>>15801182
how do I evade taxes again?

[Anonymous No.15801200]

>>15801182
>Speaking in June at the Paris Air Show, the European Space Agency's Toni Tolker-Nielsen said the Ariane 6 is projected to come in at a higher cost per launch than first predicted. The Ariane 6's cost per flight will be about 40 percent lower than that of the now-retired Ariane 5, short of the previous goal.

40% reduction vs 50% reduction is not that bad
150mil per Ariane 5
75mil per Ariane 6 originally planned, but now 90 mil instead

[Anonymous No.15801201]

>>15801140
If you care about land use efficiency than why not address the forms of energy generation that are way less efficient than even solar.

[Anonymous No.15801202]

>>15801172
you're retarded, these radius just mean that there must be specifics plans (evacuation, food testing, etc.) for everything that's in 10-mile and 50-mile radius *in the case of an accident*.

[Anonymous No.15801204]

>>15801200
oh you have to add in the 350mil subsidy per year and amortize the 4 bil dev cost
oof

> Therefore, European taxpayers are subsidizing every launch of satellites for Jeff Bezos by roughly $75 million.

[Anonymous No.15801207]

>>15801200
keep reading anon, they said they were increasing prices after that, plus requesting more subsidies. It's entirely possible that ariane 6 costs a lot more than 5 after you take away the subsidies.

[Anonymous No.15801206]

>>15801200
*savings do not include fixed costs like launch crews etc. that still have to be paid while we wait for A6 to launch, because French employment laws

[Anonymous No.15801208]

>>15801169
Musk is a solar fag.

[Anonymous No.15801210]

>>15800871
if by "grains" they mean Grains from the avoirdupois system, then Hayabusa 1 returned about 97 grams or roughly 20 times as much as its successor, so I doubt they used grains as a unit of measurement.

[Anonymous No.15801211]

>>15801200
at 75 mil it's arguably competitive with falcon 9. at 90 mil it doesn't even come close, and it won't be just 90 mil

[Anonymous No.15801212]

>>15801208
Solarfags hate nuclear power, Musk doesn't.

[Anonymous No.15801213]

>>15801200
75mil to 90mil is NOT ideal

[Anonymous No.15801215]

> Andrew Parsonson, who writes the Europe in Space newsletter, says the billions of dollars in subsidies to ArianeGroup could probably do a lot more good in going to commercial companies in Europe such as Isar Aerospace, Rocket Factory Augsburg, and Latitude, which are developing more innovative launchers.
>"There is very little we can do now," Parsonson said. "I know that. Ariane 6 is a pill that we’re just going to have to swallow. We cannot cancel the program and any new development would take several years to mature. What we can do, however, is make sure that ArianeGroup is not involved in the future of European launch."

Total ArianeGroup Death

[Anonymous No.15801217]

>>15801202
If solar farm fails, there is no need to evacuate anyone else from 1 cm away from the solar farm. If wind farm were to fail, there's no need to evacuate anyone from the wind farm, other than direct physical structure itself.

If a nuclear power plant fails, you need to evacuate anyone inside the 10-50 mile radius contamination zone. Hence, nuclear power plants are usually placed within low population density to reduce the risk in case of emergency.

The zoning of nuclear power plant strictly includes provisions for risk management, otherwise they would never be approved for any nuclear power plant.

[Anonymous No.15801221]

>>15801217
Goalposts: Moved.

[Anonymous No.15801222]

>>15801210
I think its grains as in grains of sand
1500 individual particles of asteroid rock

[Anonymous No.15801225]

>>15801200
>>15801207
>Additionally, during a news conference in early September, the chief executive of Arianespace, Stéphane Israël, declined to discuss price specificity. He only said costs were going up, and these would necessarily be reflected in prices.

>"For sure, there is inflation, and we have to cope with this fact."

[Anonymous No.15801226]

>>15801221
Why would goal posts be moved? Nuclear power plants need a 2-5-10-50 mile radius zone for safety. The most important are the <10 mile radius. While the 50 mile radius is just for food radiation poisoning, not too severe, but nothing compared to 10 mile radius limit

[Anonymous No.15801230]

>>15801217
>Hence, nuclear power plants are usually placed within low population density to reduce the risk in case of emergency.
And that's a problem how? There's plenty of land that's already low population so putting a plant there doesn't affect anything. Where as a solar plant requires clear cutting tones of land.

[Anonymous No.15801231]

>>15801226
Nigger not even the chernobyl exclusion zone is 50 miles, fuck off

[Anonymous No.15801232]

>>15801226
A nuclear power plant does not take up 310 square miles, let alone 7,800. It's as simple as that.

[Anonymous No.15801234]

>>15801226
Rockets aren't safe as well. What's your proposed alternative?

[Anonymous No.15801235]

>>15801199
Just don't pay them

[Anonymous No.15801237]

>>15801187

[Anonymous No.15801240]

>>15800492
I mean you need a power button, and volume buttons are pretty universal to the degree that all Tesla's have them via the steering wheel or yolk controls, so those woulnd't go away; everything else is fair game. Plus, they have a crazy amount of experience with camera and computer vision. It would honestly be interesting to see what they'd do with a phone putting all that experience into designing photo/video software.

[Anonymous No.15801241]

China has begun construction of a 40-meter-diameter radio telescope, which is part of a new deep space tracking facility in the mountain range near the North Korean border, will be used for the next phase of its lunar exploration program.

[Anonymous No.15801242]

>>15801231
Chernobyl is 20 mile radius exclusionary zone. 50 mile is just NRC regulations.

This isn't a personal vendetta debate, you retards are trying to argue against hard limit set based upon scientific analysis after the various nuclear meltdowns over the years.

[Anonymous No.15801243]

>>15801240
I don't see the point
what is the value add?
smartphones are a commodity and have like 10 companies making them already
going into well established industries and just doing run of the mill stuff is not something Musk tends to do
its either completely greenfield stuff or disrupting old industries

[Anonymous No.15801245]

>>15801189

[Anonymous No.15801249]

>>15801245

[Anonymous No.15801250]

>>15801249

[Anonymous No.15801253]

>>15801250
> NASA’s aspirational goal is to achieve a 50 percent cost savings over current SLS costs using DST, which
by our calculation would reduce the contract cost of a single SLS rocket from the current $2.5 billion to
$1.25 billion. Our analysis shows this goal realistically cannot be achieved and the production cost alone
will remain over $2 billion.

[Anonymous No.15801258]

>>15801217
The current size of the Fukushima exclusion zone is 370 km2, if >>15801140 is true, that means that even if it blows up, a nuclear power plant still has a smaller footprint than an equivalent solar farms.
I have nothing against solar, and if it was the cheapest source of electricity (various externalities included) possible, we should build a shitload of solar farms, but it's not exactly the case.

[Anonymous No.15801261]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1712507238860968417

[Anonymous No.15801273]

>>15801253
I'm thinking about some freakish Superheavy -> Stretched Cargo Starship -> EUS/Orion/ESM combo

[Anonymous No.15801274]

>>15801243
Tesla and SpaceX are basically on the path of becoming Wayland & Yutani respectively, to one day in the far future, become Wayland Yutani. Tesla making a phone is less about disruption of the market, and really more about having a total closed loop ecosystem. There's a lot of inkling of that here already if you follow the trajectory of Musk's companies for the long time horizon:

SpaceX: Earth -> Moon - Mars --> Sol --> Beyond

Tesla: Earth -> Moon colonization (BEV/Energy Storage) -> Mars (BEV/Energy Management/Autonomous transport at scale/Autonomous workforce at scale) --> Beyond

Boring: Earth -> Moon (mining) -> Mars (mining/tunneling/refining/manufacturing) --> Beyond

xAI: Earth -> Moon (Research) -> Mars (Research) --> Beyond

Neuralink: Earth -> Moon (AI support) -> Mars (neuro-augmented intelligence for integrated colonization and direct democracy governance) --> Beyond

Twitter/X: Earth -> Moon (Planetary/Orbital/Earth-Interactive Communication Network) -> Mars (Planetary/Orbital Communication Network) --> Beyond

A smartphone has a short lived life-cycle for general purpose use, but getting into this industry, does mean that all mobile smart devices until the long time horizon outcome of Neuralink with neuralaces manifests, offworld, will need to be sourced from someone and/or created by some entity. The probability of SpaceX leveraging Tesla's capabilities on the Moon and Mars are high, due to them being the leading edge of automated workforce and vast volume manufacturing that is resource, time, and energy efficient; all three factors beyond Earth orbit which are worth more than the annual profit margin of Ford, GM, or Stellantis combined. Tesla is a master of building out localized supply chains to support each new Gigafactory they build, and each new factory is an evolution of the last, optimizing processes and resource efficiencies further: ie ISRU SMEs.

Most companies were made for Earth but have huge gains beyond.

$0.02

[Anonymous No.15801275]

>>15801274
Building better worlds.

[Anonymous No.15801283]

>>15801274
just my hecking science fiction movieees
like tony stark and spider man and captain america! heck yeah!

[Anonymous No.15801284]

>>15801274
>Boring: Earth -> Moon (mining) -> Mars (mining/tunneling/refining/manufacturing) --> Beyond
He said some time back that Boring Company wasn't intended for any off-world work and even when he said it I thought "Well that's a load of horseshit"

[Anonymous No.15801285]

>>15801283
Iw wish i could crack the teeth in your mouth with plyers

[Anonymous No.15801286]

>>15801285
oh my god! WOW!

[Anonymous No.15801287]

>>15801284
At the time, it was good to keep things grounded. But there will be an inevitable future wherein the expertise from tunnel boring will become relevant on Moon and Mars, and having an integrated ecosystem company that can provide is more valuable than sourcing it from a random third party, whose construction chain you cannot control. It would be very easy for Tesla or SpaceX or both, on Mars, to pay the Boring company like $1Bn for the licensing rights to their borers, and then basically via Starship or Starlink Deep Space network (assuming that becomes a thing in the next 20 years), to push the secure CAD files to Mars, wherein all the parts and chips are produced on site using a combination of small scaling mining/refining/manufacturing and 3D printing, to make a large grade borer that can do 4m tunnels under the Martian surface; and off to the races the colonization effort and transport networks go.

It's probably fair to assume that all large scale goods and services movement on Mars will take place below ground via autonomous rail/trams/metro, and the surface would be mostly for human activities.

[Anonymous No.15801288]

>>15801274
the ecosystem thing came to mind, but seems kind of early to do that for Tesla
something more pressing would be HVCAC systems for houses combined with solar roofs/solar and batteries
the problem with solar is that its very difficult to scale and labour intensive (Optimus would solve that, but that is a ways off still)
but perhaps starting development could happen this early, who knows
just seems like a lot of development effort for not that much benefit right now

[Anonymous No.15801292]

>>15801274
completely incomprehensible onions schizo rambling

[Anonymous No.15801295]

>>15801288
>the problem with solar is that its very difficult to scale and labour intensive (Optimus would solve that, but that is a ways off still)
Huh?

[Anonymous No.15801298]

>>15801295
solar roof specifically

[Anonymous No.15801300]

>>15801298
How would Optimus help? Surely you don't mean it would be capable of performing that level of human labor.

[Anonymous No.15801302]

>>15801258
Fukushima wasn't that bad though, the exclusion zone for Chernobyl is 2600 km2.

[Anonymous No.15801303]

>>15801300
it will be possible to perform any manual labour eventually, how long that actually takes is unclear though
and even if it could make it so you need 1 person instead of 3 or whatever that would already help a lot

[Anonymous No.15801305]

>>15800871
>Hayabusa 1 returned 1500 grains (so probably less than a gram)
>Hayabusa 2 returned 5 grams
>OSIRIS-REx returned an estimated 250 grams
USA! USA! USA! USA!

[Anonymous No.15801312]

>>15801253
isn't it already 3bn+ per SLS (without Orion)?
and that's without even beginning to consider the development costs

[Anonymous No.15801317]

>>15801210
>>15801222

using the first thing I got from google, a grain of sand weighs about 0.00001562 grams = 15.62 micrograms
1500 grains is then 23.43 milligrams

[Anonymous No.15801319]

>>15801317
>64 million grains of sand per kg
nope

[Anonymous No.15801320]

>>15801288
>but perhaps starting development could happen this early, who knows
>just seems like a lot of development effort for not that much benefit right now
I can see them entering the smart device market towards the end of the decade, in and around the time of their Optimus and Model 2 or Robotaxi Platform launches respectively.

[Anonymous No.15801321]

>>15801319
There are more grains of asteroid sample than there are stars in all the beaches on Earth

[Anonymous No.15801327]

>>15801241
Their very own Goldstone. Likely 40m because they don't have the signal processing expertise that NASA does.

[Anonymous No.15801329]

>>15801312
SLS exists so that we don't end up with an uemployment crisis in STEM as a result of some 4 million boomers suddenly becoming jobless and going full policy destruction that craters the US' ability to compete against foreign aerospace actors that are starting to catch up to where we were in the 70s and 80s, and by the end of the decade, will reach to where we were in the 00s. The price of preventing this is essentially irrelevant, because boomers have no real tolerance for risk, but if they're not distracted by money and a cushy job, they tend to engage in political and organization behavior that's entirely destructive: see no further than DC politics where you have boomers that are perpetually distracted and have no real vision towards anything. Their policies thereby are entirely destructive and create huge roadblocks towards long term competition against foreign adversaries.

It's not a jobs program, it's a distraction program; and NASA signing the Artemis Accords with close to a hundred countries now, ties THEIR rate of progress with the same rate of progress as these boomers in STEM that are risk averse and don't want to rock the boat.

For that same reason, you see this pushback: https://spacenews.com/head-of-disruptive-space-procurement-agency-hits-back-at-critics-change-is-hard/ << the blown up SLS budget is a feature of this paradigm and trying to reduce it is cause for division, anger, and retribution.

Tell me I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.15801332]

>>15801329
>Employment crisis
That's a lot of words to say "jobs program to guarantee votes in key districts", but yes

[Anonymous No.15801333]

>>15801329
tell them to start companies, Starship will change the paradigm in space, there should be plenty of opportunity to do whatever

[Anonymous No.15801336]

>>15801329
meds now

[Anonymous No.15801338]

>>15801333
>tell them to start companies
>starting companies are risky
>boomers are risk averse and don't wanna rock the boat
Anon, are you okay?

[Anonymous No.15801340]

>>15801285
>plyers

[Anonymous No.15801341]

>>15801336
You gonna vaccinate me with your $3Bn SLS booster?

[Anonymous No.15801342]

>>15801338
time to learn to swim nigga

[Anonymous No.15801344]

>>15801342
I wish you the greatest of luck in convincing boomer politicians to your cause

[Anonymous No.15801345]

What the fuck did eesa mean by this

[Anonymous No.15801346]

>>15801201
It should be noted that biofuel while not great does have its uses, if you are one of the no fossil fuel types, then it is one of the better ways to keep jets going, a lot easier than changing to hydrogen.

Biofuel gets used in the specific use case where regular fuel does well, high energy density applications.

But this is besides the point, biofuel may not be a good use of land, but that does not make wind or solar farms good use of land. Solar and wind with battery backup are great for private use, where the grid can be relied on for backup power. They can also supplement an industrial park by generating on site and using otherwise wasted space, but they don't really make sense as power stations on their own.

[Anonymous No.15801348]

>>15801344
Starship will do that for me
the cost difference will be too ridiculous to ignore forever

[Anonymous No.15801353]

>>15801329
>people dont want to hire rocket scientists
What?

[Anonymous No.15801355]

>>15801345
Prepared landing sites are going to be a big deal for future missions. Presently they have to worry about plume impingement every single time

[Anonymous No.15801356]

>>15801346
I'm a believer in markets. Piss cheap energy will be put to use. Even if it can't be used as baseload power.

[Anonymous No.15801359]

https://twitter.com/Maersk/status/1712408820675187035

[Anonymous No.15801362]

>>15801359
https://www.maersk.com/news/articles/2023/10/12/maersk-signs-deal-with-starlink-for-its-ocean-fleet

> Maersk’s more than 330 own operated container vessels will have Starlink installed, enabling high-speed internet with speeds over 200 Mbps. The service is a leap forward in terms of internet speed and latency which will bring significant benefits in terms of both crew welfare and business impact.
> The agreement comes after a successful pilot phase where crew members on more than 30 Maersk vessels have had the opportunity to test the Starlink technology – resulting in very positive feedback.
> Besides obvious benefits from highspeed internet resulting in seamless streaming and high definition videocalls for crew members, high-speed, low latency internet will also facilitate cost saving measures by moving business critical applications into the cloud and by strengthening remote support and inspections of the vessels.
>Starlink has been changing the game to provide reliable and high-speed internet across the globe with its state-of-the-art satellite network. Its vision is to create a globally connected world where opportunities are not limited by geography – making it a great fit to solve the challenges of staying connected on the high seas of the world.

[Anonymous No.15801363]

>>15801359
Now you can feel slightly less bad about those poor sailors stuck for years out at sea because shipowners are insane

[Anonymous No.15801369]

>>15801355
makes you wonder why it wasnt a problem the first time we landed... hmm....

[Anonymous No.15801370]

>>15801363
>years
You can't legally work for more than 11 months on board and normally, for Westerners, the contract is about 3 months. Sometimes less, like 2 weeks and sometimes more.

[Anonymous No.15801371]

>>15801370
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-20/seafarers-spend-18-months-without-leaving-cargo-ships/12780960

[Anonymous No.15801372]

>>15801345
ESAIOU

[Anonymous No.15801373]

>>15801359
If each one is paying $1K a month, thats 3.6M per year

[Anonymous No.15801374]

>>15801369
nothing nearby that they didn't want to kick dust on

[Anonymous No.15801377]

>>15801373
so peanuts

[Anonymous No.15801378]

>>15801369
luck and the apollo lander was pretty small

[Anonymous No.15801379]

>>15801353
Problem isn't rocket scientists. It's inflexible rocket scientists that don't want to change how things are done, because of entrenched behavior and politics. Otherwise, you'd see an exodus from NASA towards new space for talent--and that's simply not happening. All of new space is predominantly hiring new graduates and young people, with the older guard being outnumbered to young engineers like 10:1.

[Anonymous No.15801380]

>>15801182
I hate Europe so much
Get me out of this godforsaken hellhole

[Anonymous No.15801381]

>>15801377
>>15801373
>>15801359
1K per ship is peantus now, but the always-on connectivity will allow them to push new capabilities into their transport networks and further the demand for connectivity. It always starts small until demand expands and the cost with it.

[Anonymous No.15801383]

>>15801374
>>15801378
or it was... you know...

[Anonymous No.15801384]

>>15801381
I dont even know how SpaceX stays solvent when they spend so much and earn so little

[Anonymous No.15801386]

>>15801362
Airbus with Palantir already build this smart supply chain and inspection toolset for the airline industry, wherein they can do realtime tracking of parts and preempt failure or preempt maintenance to reduce supply chain shocks that may occur across the industry. I would expect that this same technology to propagate across all transport networks with the advent of Starlink, as these vehicles will gain a suite of new sensors that can connect to the local Starlink antenna on the vessel and beam that data back to the company in realtime, allowing them to being preempting a lot of behavior that has normally led to downtime for shipping. This will strengthen upstream supply chains and reduce risk of downstream shocks.

[Anonymous No.15801387]

>>15801383
spit it out, girlie-man, don't be coy

[Anonymous No.15801391]

>>15801373
https://www.starlink.com/service-plans
https://www.starlink.com/business/maritime
https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1134-82708-70
(USA is last on the list on the pdf)
https://api.starlink.com/public-files/FairUsePolicy.pdf

mobile priority can be over 6k a month, but I guess they might have some special deal
additional mobile priority data cost depends, but USA is 2 dollars per GB for instance
lets say these vessels take the highest priority with additional data for 10TB per month (idk if that is enough, apparently they are going to use it for other stuff than the crew watching just porn)

10TB would be ~ 6k for the first 5TB, then 10k for the additional 5TB (5000GB for 2 dollars each)
still only about 40mil per year though, but there are about 50k shipping vessels in total
if starlink gets half of that and similar price, that is 3 bil per year (300mil per year with 1k per month)

[Anonymous No.15801395]

>>15801384
Their capital efficiency is incredible. It also helps that half their Falcon 9 fleet has been amortized down to 0 cost from all the reflights, so their launch margins are likely 30-40%, maybe as high as 50% over the continued life leading boosters and close to 70-80% now on the 2-3 boosters that have reached 18 launches. They also have access to all major US banks who have a blank check available for additional funding as necessary, for each new funding round. The number 1 engineering firm desired to be worked at by any bachelors, graduate, or PhD degree holder in the world, is SpaceX. Their success and reputation with NASA, DoD, USAF, and all the commercial partners of the world. All the insiders have a lot of amassed shares and there's no reason that SpaceX can't at will announce a dilution round where they do a 3:1, 4:1, or even 5:1 their sharecount. Then hold a new funding round, put up like 3-5% of their shares at the same price as before, and the banks the world over will gladly give them $1Bn with no questions asked.

A private company with less than 20,000 employees, launches 80% of the entire world's mass to orbit, and is the only firm in existence that has a roadmap to building a reusable Saturn V class architecture, which historically, put a total of 26 people on the Moon, and the company in question has aspirations for putting 1M people on Mars by 2075 and with a likely means of achieving at least 100,000 people by 2075 on Mars. Oh, and they have also the largest satellite constellation in human history, to the tune of over 5,000 satellites in LEO.

You can't pull all this off without a staggering amount of high level talent, intelligence, and an insane drive for capital efficiency; also zero fear against failure, and a little bit of luck. Boeing stumbling and fucking up with Starliner was the luck factor. With SLS massively delayed, BO MIA, Starliner MIA, Arianne6 MIA, they have no competition and thus chose to compete with themselves.

[Anonymous No.15801396]

>>15801391
oh I used 10k in total and not the 16k, so 64mil instead of 40mil, but they might have some special deal and not actually pay 16k per month
I remember reading somewhere that currently oil drilling rigs and such pay a shitload per month for shitty GEO internet (something like 30k per month, might misremember that though)
but it was some surprisingly high number, but when you compare it to the running costs in general its still peanuts

[Anonymous No.15801412]

Elon Musk looks to alter airlines with latest SpaceX announcement

https://www.thestreet.com/technology/elon-musk-looks-to-alter-airlines-with-latest-spacex-announcement

> Inflight internet on airplanes has shifted from an anomaly 20 years ago to an expectation. The issue with most inflight internet offerings, however, is one of speed and connectivity; traditional inflight internet works through an air-to-ground connection. Airplanes, hooked up with an antenna, receive signals as they fly over cell towers, a method that limits the availability of internet that is generally slow, topping out at around 10Mbps.
> Musk launched Starlink Aviation, a subset of Starlink specifically designed for use on airplanes, Oct. 18, 2022. Starlink Aviation is now available on two Gulfstream models; other popular aircraft, including the Airbus A320 and A330 and several Boeing craft, will not be compatible with Starlink Aviation until "2024 and beyond," according to SpaceX.
> "Starlink will be available on most aircraft soon, depending on whether the airline orders it," he tweeted Oct. 9.
> Starlink Aviation, which will cost airlines $25,000 a month after a hardware fee of $150,000, offers download speeds of 40-220Mbps, according to SpaceX.
> The inflight connectivity market was valued at around $5 billion in 2021, according to market research firm Verified Market Research. The firm expects the market to be worth more than $12 billion by 2030. As of last year, Delta and United said they both host around 1.5 million inflight internet sessions every month.

about 28k commercial planes, at 25k a pop, that is 8.4 billion per year

[Anonymous No.15801420]

>>15801412
>Zoomers who can't go two hours without posting on Instagram or Tiktok get exploited by Elon
based

[Anonymous No.15801433]

SpaceX won't stretch Starship

[Anonymous No.15801436]

>>15801386
if Starlink actually gets IoT connectivity in 2026 (on the back of the direct to mobile device), then you could do that ubiquitously and cheaply without having to have a starlink dish even

[Anonymous No.15801440]

Startup GuardianSat gets research grant for satellite self-defense technology, Viasat has enough throughput on ViaSat-3 Americas to avoid replacement, Only NASA Wants To Buy Its Own SLS Rocket
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https://spacenews.com/startup-guardiansat-gets-research-grant-for-satellite-self-defense-technology/
> WASHINGTON — The startup GuardianSat announced Oct. 12 it won a grant from the National Science Foundation’s America’s Seed Fund to advance the company’s technology designed to protect satellites from collisions with debris objects in space.
> The company developed a system to “detect orbital debris, track potential collision threats, and autonomously adjust the satellite’s course to prevent accidents.”
> The debris-avoidance system, Wyche added, is a companion technology to GuardianSat’s “anti-satellite countermeasure system” that is also in development. It uses microwave and lidar (light detection and ranging) to detect and track approaching objects.
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https://spacenews.com/viasat-has-enough-throughput-on-viasat-3-americas-to-avoid-replacement/
> TAMPA, Fla. — Viasat has ruled out ordering a ViaSat-3 Americas replacement as it expects to recover a fraction of the satellite’s 1 terabit per second (Tbps) capacity, the operator said Oct. 12 around three months after disclosing its antenna issue.
> While the company only expects to recover less than 10% of the satellite’s planned throughput, it said this is enough to meet current and future broadband customer needs alongside other flexible assets in its 19-satellite fleet, additional spacecraft already underway, and third-party capacity deals.
---
https://nasawatch.com/commercialization/only-nasa-wants-to-buy-its-own-sls-rocket/
> Although the SLS is the only launch vehicle currently available that meets Artemis mission needs, in the next 3 to 5 years other human-rated commercial alternatives that are lighter, cheaper, and reusable may become available.

[Anonymous No.15801452]

>>15801440
>They had absolutely zero backup plan for deploying ViaSat-3's antenna

[Anonymous No.15801454]

>>15801436
That only works on ascend to orbit. Starship's stable orbit height is above majority of Starlink shells, so it basically becomes a radio blackhole the movement it crosses that line. So that'd be a terrible design decision.

[Anonymous No.15801457]

Space based solar turns out to be competitive given modern tech. O'Neill-chads win again.

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4665/1

[Anonymous No.15801458]

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1712487083351101909

> Starliner spacecraft, named NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test (CFT), is planned for no earlier than mid-April

[Anonymous No.15801461]

>>15801458
>airbag assisted ground landing
My favorite mod in KSP

[Anonymous No.15801465]

>>15801454
>>15799339

https://direct.starlink.com/

well SpaceX is going to try to make it work, would be weird if they hadn't thought of that and just put this on their website anyway

[Anonymous No.15801469]

>>15801465
That's for everything ground side you donut.

[Anonymous No.15801471]

>>15801458
>2/3 parachutes deploy
>"well that's fine, we have redundancy"
>airbags fail
would be an great moment in spaceflight history.

[Anonymous No.15801476]

>>15801469
but that is what I was talking about
Starlink gets [the ability to work as a] IoT service, maybe I was unclear

[Anonymous No.15801479]

>>15801476
My bad. I thought you wrote Starship and I misread; disregard I suck cocks.

[Anonymous No.15801480]

>>15801458
rip

[Anonymous No.15801485]

>>15801457
We have faith of the heart

[Anonymous No.15801492]

>>15801457
that is not what the article says
its some clueless bureucrat that hopes space based solar works and wants to put money behind research, most of the article is about completely irrelevant horseshit like net-zero and oil dependancy which have nothing to do with the technology actually working or being cost-effective

[Anonymous No.15801494]

why Psyche delay

[Anonymous No.15801495]

>>15801494
Bad weather, window had only 20% chance of launch.

[Anonymous No.15801496]

>>15801153
fuck off I live 1 km away from a nuclear plant

[Anonymous No.15801500]

>>15801084
sounds gay just connect all solar panels into the grid, effectively it will power power consumers nearby, that's just how it works.

[Anonymous No.15801502]

>>15801471

[Anonymous No.15801515]

>>15801502
That anime really captured the essence of being a modern astronaut.
98 episodes in and guess where the MC hasn't been?

[Anonymous No.15801522]

>>15801515
To be fair he was a joke pick compared to the hardcore people inducted with him
Some astronauts are born desk jockeys, it happens

[Anonymous No.15801528]

>>15801458
Boeing is going to find a way to somehow delay it again [math]\unicode{x1F0DF}[/math]

[Anonymous No.15801549]

>>15801480
Jeez that sunny williams bitch looks like death.

[Anonymous No.15801552]

>>15801458
what does the contract say happens if Boeing is late with their capsule? Does NASA get a refund?

[Anonymous No.15801561]

>>15801242
>scientific analysis
OH MY HECKIN SOICENCE!!! In reality nook plant scaremongering is set with regulation. Which is mostly anti-nook already in the west due to decades upon decades of soviet vatnik/xigger/fifth column marxists subversion trying to destroy wests energy independence

in rest of the parts that dont give a shit about nook scaremongering they build the plants everywhere from fault lines to city outskirts

[Anonymous No.15801584]

>>15801153
>A single nuclear plant needs a 10 mile radius safety zone
just install solar panels all across the safety zone lol

[Anonymous No.15801594]

>>15801391
They are going to crush this market. Commercial shipping is getting fucked by Iridium and other niggers.

[Anonymous No.15801596]

>>15801153
there are no plumes in a meltdown
the actual danger of a meltdown is the material contaminating ground water which obviously doesn't have a "safety zone"

[Anonymous No.15801655]

>>15801189
>>15801253
>$2.5 billion just to procure SLS
>SLS costs are going up instead of down

What a clownshow.

[Anonymous No.15801657]

>>15801211
$75 mil is not competetive with F9

[Anonymous No.15801671]

>>15801433
They absolutely will, lmao. Elon knows it's too cramped otherwise.

[Anonymous No.15801674]

If October passes with no news from the FAA or FWS then FWS will take its full time and then in February tell SpaceX to go perform another year of environmental investigation. Only three weeks left, not looking good

[Anonymous No.15801682]

>>15801657
67mil vs 75mil, its not that bad
but if its actually 90mil, then that delta is very big
and looking at total cost after 4bil dev cost amortized over 100 launches is 40mil extra and then 350mil subsidies per year amortized over 10 launches per year is another 35mil per launch and we are up to 90 + 40 + 35 = 165, that is even worse than the 150mil per Ariane 5
lol

[Anonymous No.15801690]

>>15801674
Democrats are going to strangle Starship just like they did with nuclear power.

[Anonymous No.15801703]

>>15801690
>Elon sets up Starbase 2 in Guyana

[Anonymous No.15801709]

>>15801674
The fact we have heard nothing, zero (0) from FWS means they will take the full time and probably try to apply for extensions. I'm sure it's staffed by seething rainbow hair retards that see Elon as le evil environment destruction man.

[Anonymous No.15801721]

Another day, another blunder. Goy bros... how are we coping today?

[Anonymous No.15801727]

>>15801709
I wonder what SpaceX is planning to do with this 6 month downtime
could just start spamming static fires to check what happens to the engines after multiple ones, what happens to the structures in general and really get the wet dress rehearsal steps down

[Anonymous No.15801756]

>>15801492
>solarfag being delusional
Shocker

[Anonymous No.15801758]

>>15801302
>Chernobyl
LMAO you have no idea what you're talking about then. Chernobyl's design (RBMK in general) is so fundamentally different from any contemporary reactor (or even ones back then) that it is completely irrelevant. It didn't even have a containment structure FFS!

[Anonymous No.15801766]

Oh cool we're doing the solar vs nuclear spergout timeloop again

[Anonymous No.15801793]

>>15801766
Still got about 14 more hours until Psyche. Might as well dunk on solarfags.

[Anonymous No.15801811]

>>15801727
if they are spending this time effectively then surely flight 2 will make it to orbit. That being said they stull have about 2 engines per static fire that dont light which is a problem.

[Anonymous No.15801813]

>>15801793
Why is musk a solar advocate and never says anything good about nuclear?

[Anonymous No.15801814]

>>15801528
>Boeing is going to find a way to somehow delay it again
>>15801552
>what does the contract say happens if Boeing is late with their capsule? Does NASA get a refund?

I'm betting both NASA and Boeing know the thing will never work and hope that if they "delay" it long enough, congress will finally let them break the contract so the project can just dissolve and go away. No reason to keep pissing away money for something that does nothing in return.

[Anonymous No.15801823]

>>15801813
If you've been following his issues with the feds you know regulatory agencies love Elon. Imagine willingly bending over for the Department of Energy to regulate the shit out of what is potentially a privately-owned nuclear ICBM

[Anonymous No.15801876]

>>15801813
>never says anything good about nuclear
Except ya know he has

[Anonymous No.15801905]

>>15801813
You are such a stupid faggot he advocates for both all the god damn time.

[Anonymous No.15801939]

I'm team nuclear but you guys are just going to have to accept it's not happening here on Earth anymore and government cocksuckers are going to make it so hard to launch fissiles that alternative power sources will end up being cheaper.

[Anonymous No.15801945]

>>15801939
What are off-world nuclear deposits like? Any chance of actual mining/processing is meme-tier right now, but I’m still interested in knowing where you’d have the best chances of finding nuclear material. Not Mercury right? Idk about Mars. Venus is off the table not only because of present conditions but the shutdown of plate tectonics probably also affected nuclear deposits?

[Anonymous No.15801959]

>>15801945
No one knows because we spent the last half century doing sweet fuck all

[Anonymous No.15801973]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n-QKd3aB54
Clear got something announced by a Japanese cabinet minister? What?

[Anonymous No.15801976]

>>15801973
Will she stream psyche?
There is no stream scheduled.

[Anonymous No.15801986]

10 hours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npIDMxrzm_o

[Anonymous No.15801995]

>>15801986
>official NASA broadcast

Wow I'm super excited to watch their 360p footage and tranny presenters

[Anonymous No.15802028]

>>15801976
>>15801973
kill yourselves obsessed faggots

[Anonymous No.15802048]

elon got arrested guys

[Anonymous No.15802049]

fucking solarcels shit up the thread every time they open their fat gobs.

[Anonymous No.15802055]

>>15802048
brake light is out

[Anonymous No.15802059]

>>15802048
Yet more government obstruction

[Anonymous No.15802068]

>>15802055
GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE

HANDS UP SHOW YOUR FUCKING HANDS GET THEM OUT OF YOUR POCKETS NOW

STOP RESISTING

*tazes you*

[Anonymous No.15802072]

>>15800972
Name three.

[Anonymous No.15802074]

>>15800972
Name one

[Anonymous No.15802075]

>>15801153
>A single nuclear plant needs a 10 mile radius safety zone
That can't be right. In the Simpsons the plant is right there in the town.

[Anonymous No.15802076]

>>15802068
>*shots you*
More like

[Anonymous No.15802097]

>>15800084
that's just true
Alan Stern was right all along

[Anonymous No.15802098]

>>15800442
Why does musk live rent free in TF's head? Doesn't he know musk is a billionaire?

[Anonymous No.15802103]

>>15802074
Food production

[Anonymous No.15802109]

>>15802103
There’s more than enough food produced on earth right now to feed everyone with leftovers. There’s a distribution / inequality problem—but that’s just as likely to be solved as fission or E2E rocket logistics

[Anonymous No.15802112]

>>15802109
>distribution problem
Why would you ever want to distribute food equally?

[Anonymous No.15802114]

>>15801973
Neat. If she keeps this up, it's only a matter of time before Elon notices her.

[Anonymous No.15802150]

>>15802109
>E2E rocket logistics
>for beans

[Anonymous No.15802174]

>>15802150
Stupid frog cuck I will throw you out the airlock this I swear

[Anonymous No.15802211]

How would you occupy yourself for the half a year trip to Mars? You have say an hour a day occupied by eating, 30 minutes using the bathroom, and lets say 8 hours for sleeping which leaves you with 14.5 hours of free time per day. From there, say 5 hours is taken up doing regularly scheduled checks ins, tasks, monitoring stuff etc. Would you occupy yourself with more work like tending to any experiments or maintaining plant life or something else? Stargazing does count but not sure how well that would go over for 14.5 hours for 7 months.

[Anonymous No.15802257]

>>15802211
Zero-g shitposting.

[Anonymous No.15802258]

>>15802211
>tending to any experiments or maintaining plant life

Not on any colony transport retard. Spare waking time en route is consooming television and animes.

[Anonymous No.15802264]

Staging
>>15802259
>>15802259
>>15802259
>>15802259
>>15802259

[Anonymous No.15802423]

>>15801370
That's why most ships are flagged under African shitholes with nonexistent laws.

[Anonymous No.15802513]

>>15801452
No backup plan and it seems like it's not actually that much of a problem? I imagine the insurance agency are gonna tell them to fuck off if they try and claim anything.
>>15802076
I know he's african but he's not black so he'd probably get tased.

[Anonymous No.15802540]

>>15800871
massfaggotry is real
talk to your kids before someone else does

[Anonymous No.15802546]

>>15801191
Space madness due to spending too much time above the Karman line

[Anonymous No.15802549]

>>15801206
Is there anything worse than the French? No.

[Anonymous No.15802552]

>>15801285
I don't think Captain America would approve. That's not very Jedi of you.

[Anonymous No.15802553]

>>15801345
They're planning to dramatically increase their CGI budget

[Anonymous No.15802567]

>>15802150
You're a gay faggot who can't read

[Anonymous No.15802604]

No SpaceX stream for this, right?