/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15772148]

How bad is the current state of science and academia really? And which field is off the worst?

[Anonymous No.15772152]

mmmmhhhhhh I'll call this the commodification of scientific research. In fact all modern researches are exploited by the bourgeois to extract as much surplus value as possible from the proletariat

[Anonymous No.15772158]

Medicine is quite bad as everyone now understands having lived on earth since 2020. In America, medical schools are being flooded with low IQ slave races who will unquestioningly follow the pseudoscience produced by financially interested parties.

[Anonymous No.15772242]

>>15772158
>scholarships for niggers
They make their family proud though

[Anonymous No.15772259]

There is basically no money in solving the hard problems in science. These days only corporate and/or political interests are what drive research.

[Anonymous No.15772348]

>>15772259
There absolutely is, if you can find a cheaper way to manufacture a compound that's used in a given industry you can save your supervisor Dr. Zog gorillions of dollars. He may even promote you if he likes you.

[Anonymous No.15772951]

>>15772148
Science is currently a profession for sub midwit IQs

[Anonymous No.15773013]

>>15772148
the real scientific method is receiving a million dollars in grants and exhausting it all on trips to starbucks, fluorescent microscopes, and chemicals

[Anonymous No.15773088]

>>15772148
Any field that says because of x non mental characteristic we need to include would qualify.

[Anonymous No.15773100]

>>15772148
Science has never been stronger as a discipline.

[Anonymous No.15773109]

>>15772148
While there are lots of problems, some of them recent, science is probably in the best place it's ever been. Academia is more debatable, I'd argue that it's still very strong though maybe not at it's peak in terms of reliability but I still trust it well above anything else despite some worrying signs of ingrained biases.

[Anonymous No.15773246]

>>15772148
The biggest problem is that there's such an aggressive drive to publish large quantities of work that the increasing number of midwits entering the upper levels of academia have a strong incentive to exaggerate discoveries and crab at their associates.

However, any reasonably intelligent person with drive can still get far.

[Anonymous No.15773510]

the biggest problems in capitalism are mostly related to capitalism. that's the real enemy

[Anonymous No.15773514]

>>15773510
in academia* are related to capitalism. even this typo

[Anonymous No.15773519]

>>15772148
We've dipped into the midwits now and everything is irreproducible (and actually fake) or funded and directed quite poorly.

At the same time you have far more progress happening outside of the traditional academia

[Anonymous No.15773547]

>>15772148
Totally fucked. Always has been.

The underlying issue is that science doesn't, by itself, generate anything of value. Beyond pure curiosity, there's no actual incentive to understand complex facets of reality correctly, and there's certainly no incentive to confess to not understanding complex facets of reality correctly. There are various pathways from this to material benefit, but the default position of a scientist is always going to be less immediately rewarding than some alternative. This is why scientists are almost entirely dependent on government grants or corporate research- it's not a self sustaining process under almost any circumstance, even when the subject is extremely profitable in theory.

A lot of obvious and oft-stated problems, like grant chasing and publish-or-perish, derive from this simple truth. Less savory and more frequently attacked conclusions, like that scientists are routinely corrupt and that universities ignore all but the most grievous and public instances of lying, are likewise results of this unfortunate situation.

Soft sciences (or more specifically, sciences that don't actually see practical deployment or whose practical deployment can be blamed on other things, like economics and political theory) are the most affected, often being utterly rotten through. This is because one of the most obvious disincentives to being totally wrong- that it will at some point become obvious to somebody that you are totally wrong- doesn't exist or is much less severe. Hard sciences aren't immune, but if your rocket keeps exploding somebody's probably going to start asking questions eventually.

[Anonymous No.15773591]

We live in a world where people would rather die and believe in health at every size. You have to realize, these people want you to die and be sick. They do not love you. They make money off your dying. All you are is a number to them. They work hard to increase lies in all the sciences...to control and manipulate your lack of understanding is easy for them.

[Anonymous No.15774667]

>>15773519
>At the same time you have far more progress happening outside of the traditional academia
nope.

[Anonymous No.15774682]

Completely fucked. It's not fixable unless you stop paying people for work in science. The simple fact that your wage depends on you churning out papers means that the 99% of all papers are worthless bullshit that dilute the small bit of actual scientific discovery.
Universities should just be mothballed completely, except for like 5 per country, and people shouldn't get paid to work there. This would also benefit the students, most of which end up with a worthless degree and lots of time wasted.

[Anonymous No.15775466]

>>15774682
>The simple fact that your wage depends on you churning out papers means that the…
…papers all need to clear peer review which means any novel or new ideas which attempt to improve the consensus dogma need to be left out of the papers

[Anonymous No.15776649]

>>15775466
Thats right, controversial, unique or new ideas rarely pass peer review except when they're designed with political correctness in mind.

[Anonymous No.15776872]

>>15775466
Peer review doesn't filter out the garbage retard. It is a circle jerk, the anointing, the pederast father upon the choir boy.

[Anonymous No.15777503]

>>15773510
>muh capitalism
>muh communism
false ideologies that only exist in meaningless rhetorical jargon
capitalism is lead by jews, communism is lead by jews, its just like the false choice between the two political parties, just a big charade for the plebs in plato's cave

[Anonymous No.15777509]

>>15772148
Chemistry, geology and mycology are still based. Math, physics and medicine have been pozzed.

[Anonymous No.15777609]

>>15777503
Absolotly based and plato pilled

[Anonymous No.15777625]

>Chemistry
Yeah true, chemists are racist autists who listen to trance music and rant about the government while fiddling with separation columns
Cringe individuals don't last long in the discipline

[Anonymous No.15777626]

>>15777625
Was a reply to>>15777509

[Anonymous No.15778595]

>>15777625

[Anonymous No.15778602]

>>15772148
> science and academia
DEAD
Get a REAL job

[Anonymous No.15778604]

>>15772148
science is dead. academia is dead.

[Anonymous No.15779505]

>>15776649
Politcal correctness is the sole factor that decides if an idea in science is accepted or rejected. No other factors are taken into consideration. Science is a charade.

[bodhi No.15779513]

we live in a society

[Barkun No.15779516]

>>15779505
*Claps against your cheeks* keep going goy you little whore

[Barkun No.15779523]

>>15779505
Wait til you're judged

[Barkun No.15779526]

>>15779505
What can you do though, tard? You're weak in the anus.

[Anonymous No.15780866]

>>15776872
>It is a circle jerk
its a consensus of midwits, the average reviewer is guaranteed to be too low iq to understand the most intelligent ideas. the peer review system means that the highest iq outlier brains will always be left out in the cold

[Anonymous No.15781394]

>>15780866

[Anonymous No.15782854]

>>15779505
>Politcal correctness is the sole factor that decides if an idea in science is accepted or rejected.
who do you think funds the soientists?

[bodhi No.15782856]

try to imagine the worst it can be possibly be, it is worse than that

[Anonymous No.15783809]

>>15780866
>>15781394
lol

[Anonymous No.15784895]

>>15782854
Politicians
But really its the federal reserve funding them by using inflation to redistribute wealth

[Anonymous No.15786210]

>>15772148
Academics were always morons
See "The Theory of the Leisure Class - A Study of Institutions" for the details

[Anonymous No.15786933]

>>15784895
Right, but its politicians who make all the specific funding decisions, so if you don't make an effort to please them then you won't get funding.
Thats why its called "political correctness" rather than "reserve banking correctness"

[Anonymous No.15788195]

>>15784895
>by using inflation to redistribute wealth
Yes, they use inflation to transfer wealth from average working class people to friends of politicians and the corporations they own.

[Anonymous No.15789024]

>>15788195
thats a form of wealth distribution

[Anonymous No.15790041]

>>15789024
>wealth redistribution
thats what socialism is all about, wealth redistribution from the poor to the rich

[Anonymous No.15790883]

>>15772242
>their family
they don't even know who their father is

[Anonymous No.15792202]

>>15790041
Karl Marx was a wealthy jew from the Rothschild family, thats why he was a proponent of a political system designed to transfer wealth from other classes to people in his own class.

[Anonymous No.15792247]

I guess this is a good thread to ask: coming from someone with very little background in biology (HS classes bored me to death since they were basically about memorizing definitions), how much of modern genetics research is politically motivated?
I just watched this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpIqQ0pGs1E video, and although it isn't the first time I'm exposed to this line of thought it did grab my attention at first because it makes sense that genetics isn't as simple as clear cut, discrete tables. However, later on it seems like the motivation behind this all along wasn't understanding how stuff works, but rather to "own racists" or something like that, which is to say there was already a goal in mind from the start and they were chasing it. Is that an overreaction on my part?

[Anonymous No.15792256]

>>15786210
Interesting, I haven't really come across a critique of stratification since reading Ortega y Gasset years ago.

[Anonymous No.15792260]

>>15777625
Why are chemists so based? Is it because so much of it is from Germany (and has been for a long time) and therefore not subject to the usual pressures present in the anglosphere?

[Anonymous No.15792268]

>>15792247
The problem with genetics and "race" is that a lot of what we think defines ethnicity actually doesn't. Like eye color or hair color for example, which were always very diverse throughout Europe. Things like "if you're Aryan you must be blond" or "if you are Irish you must be redheaded" are statements talking about ideals and using a no true scotsman fallacy. These ideas even change over time, both in what defines a race and which ones are superior. Like in Rome they thought blonds were inferior because of the association with northern barbarians; a complete reverse of 'modern' racial ideals.

Rather than looking for phenotypes that have nothing to do with strength or intelligence, you should be looking for genetics that code for superior physiological or neurological proteins which can be isolated and spread via positive eugenics.

[Anonymous No.15792294]

>>15792268
That's not what my post was about at all. I asked whether research is politically motivated since people seem either afraid to deal with race in any capacity or just go full "everything's a social construct" (without being able to prove it). Science is about explaining reality, how things work regardless of what people might feel about that, not filtering information to fit preconceived political/ideological preferences. The post was about whether that's flagrantly not the case.

[Anonymous No.15792304]

>>15792294
I agree, but what I'm saying is that you have one side that conflates blondness with intelligence and the other side - which as you point out - doesn't want to think that different groups of humans have anything uniquely advantageous and everyone is the same. The latter side thinks they're owning the former, and that if they give the former even the smallest inch they'll take a mile and start genociding.

[Anonymous No.15792313]

>>15792304
I think the number of "blonde supremacists" is vastly overstated by the neurotic and borderline omnipresent "social constructionists". Even in places that are supposedly hubs for them, like imageboards, there's opposition and even imageboards completely dedicated to the opposite view, meanwhile in the mainstream they get no space at all. That reminds me how Richard Lynn was completely ostracized on political grounds rather than scientific ones, I've never seen a critique of his methods (which would be the correct thing to do from an objective point of view, not going "we don't like what you're talking about so you're evil!"). Mainstream science is a religion.

[Anonymous No.15792324]

>>15772148
Well, where I live, they don't even accept pubmed as relevant source of medical information, and I live in Eurpe.

[Anonymous No.15792367]

>>15772951
What does a high IQ person work with then?

[Anonymous No.15792376]

>>15792313
More like everyone is just paranoid over something that happened a century ago. Like eugenics. When you hear the word, you are trained to only think of negative eugenics - sterilization, ethnic cleansing, and so forth. But we so much more about genetics now than we did in the 19th century, and we're just not allowed to talk about how we can improve ourselves.

[Anonymous No.15792896]

>>15792313
>Mainstream science is a religion.
its intended to be that way.

[Anonymous No.15793873]

>>15792896
Separating the goyims from their traditional belief systems and substituting false gods like Einstein and Darwin for the one true god is all outlined in The Protocols of The Elders of Zion

[Anonymous No.15794237]

>>15772148
IQ levels in science drop lower every year, its already gotten to the point that the average scientist is below 100 IQ.

[Anonymous No.15794309]

>>15772148
>worst

anthropologyp/primatology

It's 50% Ideology & 50% Madness

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heres-why-human-sex-is-not-binary/

[Anonymous No.15795683]

>>15772148
science and academia should be unlinked in this case. academics are people who can't compete in the real world where all the real science is done. thats why they choose cower in school instead of trying to join productive society, because they can't produce.

[Anonymous No.15796833]

>>15776649
protip: fuck science, shill political correctness, become famous scientist, get invited to pedo island, sell $50 million worth of popsci drivel books to retards

[Anonymous No.15797229]

>>15794309

[Anonymous No.15797309]

>>15772148
Its over. All my professors teach about is cis white men oppressing trannies and niggers when all I want to do is learn statistics. Academia is lost. Billions must chud.

[Anonymous No.15797310]

>>15794237
Its way below 100. Half of the professors are aboriginals imported from Australia to teach us about indigenous rights.

[Anonymous No.15797313]

>>15772148
Bad
Physics

[Anonymous No.15797314]

>>15773100
>>15773109
Pure delusion.

[Anonymous No.15797315]

>>15792324
>pubmed
Reasonable. People could argue using a source that wasn't written by a jew.

[Anonymous No.15797419]

>>15772148
"The Scientific Method" has a lot of stoic baloney added to it (I'm not saying p hacking is a good thing, but it's generally acceptable to develop methods and do preliminary analysis while the experiment is ongoing), but there are major issues with how we educate premeds/pregrads. Things that lead to disillusionment and corruption of how research should be done. (you know it when you see it sort of thing with the BS seniors)
https://youtu.be/xG3-_tgDE0k

I blame it on the bias for lectures over lab. If you're spending 20k+ on an undergrad, we should be pushing for lab skill training and real experimentation, not generated datasets made for convenience in 2020
lectures have their own issues, and still have a place, but it's just a soap box for a professor, book smarts could be done with a comprehensive review and a rotating lecture series.
t.learned all my shit in vocational school and hate the lack of any hands-on experience that you can get with far more practical use in research for 300 bucks a semester. We literally had a (poster) thesis by the end of the program. Original work, very basic ideas, but actual use of the scientific method and risk of failure to disprove the null.

[Anonymous No.15798470]

>>15797419
The Scientific Method was created by Christians and for Christians, science is a subsent of Christianity, since you are not a Christian, you don't understand and cannot apply or understand the method

[Anonymous No.15798828]

>>15797419
>"The Scientific Method" has a lot of stoic baloney
you just don't like adhering to it because you prefer using confirmation bias instead, because you can't control your emotions and seeing results that contradict your preconceived beliefs makes you chimp out.

[Anonymous No.15799321]

>>15798470
>>15798828
>The Scientific Method was created by Christians and for Christians
>you dont like following "it" because you dont like your preconcived beliefs shattered

never read Popper/Hume, have you?
the scientific method was literally made to shove out religiously-based arguments in science, shedding all dogmatism:
"in so far as a scientific statement speaks about reality, it must be falsifiable; and in so far as it is not falsifiable, it does not speak about reality."

Scientists spend years working on a thesis they're interested in, driven out of interest to elucidate the nature of phenomena that they've learned theory of for even longer. There is an inherent faith one develops in their own methods. Proper science requires peer review and replication, not one big logically air-tight, unmovable, (A)bsolute, falsifiable statement that has been proven upon a shadow of a doubt to be real.
Placing faith into an abstract idea of "The Scientific Method" as the only way to verify the causes/effect of nature; beyond the limits of measurement, means you can NEVER trust anything.
There will always be uncertainty to every measurement, regardless of the billions spent on significance. That means in order to have any sort of statement on the nature of why puddles form after rain relies on some faith in a standard model. No one person shifts that model with absolute logic, scientists corroborate and cross-reference just like good religious scholars should do with biblical texts. No one man chooses how texts should be followed anon.
Dogma isn't the antithesis of science. Scientific reasoning is, if anything, a conversation of rebuttals backed up by evidence, not null strawmen to be shattered.

[Anonymous No.15799362]

>>15782856
https://youtu.be/wD4xrnzKN1Y?si=MYw6JtGeDFnhZvh9

[Anonymous No.15800169]

>>15799321
the scientific method can't be successfully employed by non-Christians.
atheists can't do science

[Anonymous No.15800635]

>>15797310
>imported from Australia
>to teach us about indigenous rights.
Are they teaching you that they should go back to Australia?

[Anonymous No.15801733]

>>15790041
Thats why the Rothschilds shill communism so hard, because they're the ones who profit off of it

[Anonymous No.15802302]

>>15800635
I don't see why people who were living in the stone age into the 1800s deserve special rights. Shouldn't they be punished for that? How is civilization ever going to progress if its dedicated to lionizing the least capable people?

[Anonymous No.15802358]

>>15802302
Please tone it down with the antisemitism.

[Anonymous No.15802580]

>>15779505
Always has been. Even Darwinian evolution probably only got through because it already aligned to (and really, was an extension of) Malthusianism, which was a *religious* idea preached by a theologian.
Political correctness is a *precondition* for an idea to be accepted by established academia. Its truth is a secondary irrelevance, except to people outside that system who actually care.

[Anonymous No.15803601]

>>15801733
Brezhnev had $20 billion in his Deutsche Bank account when he died

[Anonymous No.15804771]

>>15793873
>Separating the goyims from their traditional belief systems and substituting false gods like Einstein and Darwin for the one true god is all outlined in The Protocols of The Elders of Zion
and the inevitable consequences of doing so are outlined in ur picrel

[Anonymous No.15804864]

>>15772148
Ducking dead. It's all about grant farming (and that requires political correctness in the form of diversity and sustainability clauses) and sucking each other off (in the form of circlejerking). I fucking hate it. I became a PhD in the hops of having some of the old elite scientists and mathematicians left to run the place. But no.

[Anonymous No.15805107]

>>15792367
Real high IQ people do their own thing.

[Anonymous No.15805941]

>>15792376
>ethnic cleansing, and so forth
>how we can improve ourselves.
yes

[bodhi No.15806001]

>>15799362
>2h26m
ok boys I am going in. keep the torches lit

[bodhi No.15806182]

>>15799362
p good, the last part was kinda lame the way the creator tried to convince his audience all mathematicians arent psycho losers because they are

[Anonymous No.15806758]

>>15799321
>Proper science requires peer review
nope

[Anonymous No.15806915]

>>15772148
Science worshipers are total genetic failures that couldn't do anything useful in their lives. They COPE, by associating themselves to le science. I have more respect for manual labor workers than these fucks or fake (((scientists)))

[Anonymous No.15807632]

>>15777625
Yeah its weird my Mom is a chemist who also has a BS in Geology and she's a complete spazz, bad with money and selectively dumb about a lot of things also very racist and has a great sense of humor, has drive and means to be successful but often squanders instead of invests. Its often made me question the validity of scientific fields average intelligence and figure its more about drive and consisteny than IQ for a lot of those guys.

[Anonymous No.15807981]

>>15806758
Accountability and reproducibility are better than falsifiability and hermetics in any field. period.
That doesn't mean you can't have all of them tho, but the main issue with how science is communicated and tested today tends towards the latter, and leads to trade secret labs and think tanks that incentivize shitty prints and foundations for new tech.
If you can't tell me *exactly* how the sausage was made/tested, I'm not putting it in me. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.15808180]

>>15807632
These are not better cabable in the science, they are only also judged by the dumb.
>>15807981
Publishing papers based on someone's subjective judgment doesn't seem to be a great tool.to achieve this.

[Anonymous No.15808219]

>>15808180
we can have a conversation on how peer review is done, a lot of the editors in niche fields can have vendettas or don't have a total understanding enough to choose good reviewers for a certain journal. Preprints or something like a call for papers for a specific field/issue might be able to alleviate that.
most papers arent at a high enough tier to be in a high impact journal, and I think the focus on novelty instead of review is making it harder for people to penetrate a certain topic. Nature is prioritizing news coverage (are eggs *actually* bad for you??? sort of shit) instead of firm knowledge around a subject, and it gives whiplash when you're trying to look at what sort of tech you can actually use in your field. Does it require some impartial publisher or changing how prints are represented.
Wikipedia's got a pretty good system (outside their sources); why couldn't you make a point:counterpoint review wiki at the front of a journal that links to the latest or most reputable papers on a narrow topic? Doesn't necessarily require the editors to be judges on the matter, but repeated and more cited works could visually be seen and discovered by anyone looking for info.
Some textbooks around a subject will hire coauthors from specific topics to write review chapters, so the idea is not extraordinarily weird. The issue with those are that the text is fixed, and are geared more towards students without experience instead of researchers looking for support for their conclusions.

[Anonymous No.15809387]

>>15808219
>Nature is prioritizing news coverage
Thats because Nature is a political propaganda outlet, not a scientific publication

[Anonymous No.15810098]

>>15809387

[Anonymous No.15810131]

i think most of you guys are confusing production with science... production is profit oriented and engineering is approximate physics for profit.. good scientists do exist, most of them are humble and respectable in my experience... ofc i am talking it about the real scientists not the average gender theory karens

[Anonymous No.15811299]

>>15808219
>Nature is prioritizing news coverage
Thats because Nature is a political propaganda outlet, not a scientific publication

[Anonymous No.15812491]

>>15811299
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586 -023 -03228 -7

[Anonymous No.15812535]

>>15773510
How many nobel prizes have the commies won?

[Anonymous No.15812537]

>>15778595
>chemical engineer
not a real chemist

[Anonymous No.15812539]

>>15779505
that's because the "politically correct" answer (by which you probably mean progressive) is the correct one, reality has a left wing bias chud

[Anonymous No.15812540]

>>15792260
Chemistry used to belong to Germany, after WW2 the anglosphere has taken over

[Anonymous No.15812940]

>>15812540
You steal everything, failing that you ruin it.

[Anonymous No.15813013]

>>15794309
That guy looks like a total faggot

[Anonymous No.15813017]

>>15813013
He's attractive, which is a loss because he's fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.15813404]

>>15812491
>World View is Nature’s must-read weekly rapid response opinion column, which offers senior figures and commentators a platform to discuss events that affect the world’s scientific community. It covers everything from the interaction between science and policy and the media to issues discussed among bench scientists and funders. Readers are encouraged to join the debate in the online comments.
not a journal, it's an opinion column

[Anonymous No.15814631]

>>15813404
Nature is a political propaganda outlet, not a science journal.

[Anonymous No.15815402]

>>15814631
>Claim: journal bad
>Evidence: opinion piece
>try again anon
>Evidence: opinion piece
autism. nature pushes for novel articles that have little to do with practical methods and the best evidence you can scrounge up is "nature bad because it don't like orange man"
you're playing the fucking strawman editors bring up when people want to push for a change in publishing.

>>15808219
well, looks like facebook/amazon are now the future proprietors of truth on wikipedia

[Anonymous No.15815425]

>>15772148
Biology works 100% like the meme on the right

[Anonymous No.15815432]

>>15815402
I have never seen a novel article in nature. The only good article I've seen in nature are Nature Reviews. Everyting else is MORE likely to be obviously wrong or obviously lacking critical details, tests or information than at mid-tier journals. The worst offender is publications in nature methods (as opposed to the topical journals).

[Anonymous No.15815436]

>>15815432
yes, fuck that journal specifically, that's my point.
orange man bad isnt the reason tho

[Anonymous No.15815438]

>>15815436
Yes, I agree with you on both points then.
I wasn't too sure what the angle was due to the bickering in this reply chain so I wanted to clarify with my opinion on this.

[Anonymous No.15816224]

>>15812491
Its Happening!

[Anonymous No.15816243]

>>15772951
kys

[Anonymous No.15817177]

>>15816243
>t. submidwit IQ

[Anonymous No.15817794]

>>15772951
thats a necessary side effect of diversity hiring

[Barkun No.15817795]

It super bad.

[Anonymous No.15819033]

>>15772148
Medicine is the worst off by far

[Anonymous No.15819044]

To me it's a few talented individuals being used by useless smooth talkers who spend all day in redundant meetings instead of doing any work. There are very smart people out there, being treated like slaves lol. People who drank through four years of a business degree in a frat house will be taking advantage of your scientific passion that you worked hard in school at.

[Anonymous No.15819046]

>>15819044
I'll add that this isn't a personal gripe and I don't mean myself. But I see what happens at work.

[Anonymous No.15819202]

Probably medicine unless you count sociology and cosmology as science.

[Anonymous No.15819227]

>>15772148
>How bad is the current state of science and academia really?
look at the percentage of women. if it's higher than 20% it's a shit field.
autistic women in STEM (the only valuable ones) are a minority.

[Anonymous No.15819291]

>honours year
>two weeks to research and write a 4000 word research proposal with 4 figures and a budget
It's so over.

[Anonymous No.15820087]

>>15819044
>There are very smart people out there, being treated like slaves
doesn't sound like they're very smart if they let themselves become enslaved

>People who drank through four years of a business degree in a frat house will be taking advantage of your scientific passion that you worked hard in school at.
Sounds like frat bros are smarter than nerds

[Anonymous No.15821025]

>>15820087
>doesn't sound like they're very smart if they let themselves become enslaved
Thats the same reason why Africans are so much more intelligent that American blacks. People who end up in servitude don't end up that way because they're intelligent

[Anonymous No.15821562]

>>15812535
It’s a political prize at best now. The board of directors at KVA (Kungliga vetenskapsakademien) who decide on who’ll receive the Nobel Prize are usually professors with deep industry relations and receive a handful of lobbying influences.

Science works, but it depends mostly on the approach and objective. If your objective is to outcompete in quality of products like electronic gadgets or semiconductors, it’s more of a domination, marketing and finance thing with science being mere of a behind-the product “work catalyst”.

Humans by default only care to think about science when it’s life threatening and or life-lifting at a specific moment, and then they just go back to leisure, decadence, and life in general, which isn’t something bad inherently bad and quite enjoyable. Problem is, if you have to live for others just for the sake of validation as in “I’ll do science to get respected” then you’ll just live a life of misery. There’s a stark difference between doing it for survival and doinng it for respect. I’m an engineering student myself, and I hear people saying “Haha business/sociology students btfo”, but honestly most of us engineers hate ourselves or do it because we feel worthless with only 1-2% doing it because they love it.

You survive by getting into you’re good at not at and turn into something you can survive on, not what others will perceive you at being good for.

People choosing to study engineering just so they can get into finance will backfire big time with AI. STEM will suffer the most out of AI and automation.

[Anonymous No.15821664]

>>15772148
it's always been like the right
stop pretending that the scientists of the past were any less faggoty

[Anonymous No.15821666]

Academias number 1 problem is citation wankery

[Anonymous No.15821801]

>>15821562
Epic rant describing science for the top of the bell curve. Nobody who belongs in science relate to a single thing you've said.

[Anonymous No.15821881]

>>15821664
>stop pretending that the scientists of the past were any less faggoty
The were far less faggoty, atheists are homosexuals, Christianity forbids it. Contemporary scientists are all atheists AKA homosexuals

[Anonymous No.15822587]

>>15821666
Academics are not scientists, they're given up on the scientific method and replaced it with the peer review circle jerk of collusion.

[Anonymous No.15823856]

>>15815402

[Anonymous No.15823944]

>>15790041
>thats what socialism is all about, wealth redistribution from the poor to the rich
This is the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

[Anonymous No.15824521]

>>15823944
you're ignorant of history and naïve about human nature

[Anonymous No.15825261]

>>15793873
>Separating the goyims from their traditional belief systems
Paganism?

[Anonymous No.15826010]

>>15808219

[Anonymous No.15826020]

>>15825261
That is an attempt to separate goyims from their traditional belief system, yes.

[Anonymous No.15826123]

>>15773547
I’m a linguist and watching LLMs break open the field and expose theories to withering reality is entertainment enough to console me for being doomed to enter industry.

[Anonymous No.15826126]

>>15779505
There are plenty of vicious scientific debates which are untouched by political correctness.

Or mostly untouched. Mostly I see women on both sides trying to make spurious accusations if sexism stick to individual researchers. Whole programs though? No.

[Anonymous No.15827416]

>>15826126
you invented that story as a means of coping with how blatantly fake and gay modern science has become under the influence of atheist communist politics

[Anonymous No.15828568]

>>15779505
Not the sole, but the primary factor.
Whether it meets the needs of those who practice it and are able to allow or disallow it to be practiced.

[Anonymous No.15828574]

>>15826020
It's "goyim" or "goys" plural, "goy" singular. גוים if you want to get technical.
"goyims" is like nails on a chalkboard.

[Anonymous No.15828575]

>>15793873
This reads like someone trying to make anti-Jewish thought sound as retarded and silly as possible.

[Anonymous No.15829149]

>>15828568
its the sole factor, everything outside of it is window dressing

[Anonymous No.15829241]

>>15827416
You think I made up the story that women in academia keep slinging around spurious accusations of sexism?

[Anonymous No.15829253]

>>15805107
lmao sounds like you're a coping NEET. get a fucking job retard

[Anonymous No.15829486]

>>15772148
Well math has been picked so clean we need to scavenge off the ground
Physics is just nonsense bullshit and useless research costs billion think about how much useful research would cost
Chemists just make drugs for evil people
Biologists are suffering from gender dysphoria
Shit I hate to say it but geologists are the only ones standing rock solid.
I mean I left academia to work in finance

[Anonymous No.15830979]

>>15829486
>research costs billion think about how much useful research would cost
probably less. they aim at the most expensive projects because of the presumption that budget size is proportional to prestige and importance. thats why, for example, the smithsonian institution spent millions trying and failing to invent the airplane before two nobodies who weren't part of academia came along and pulled off the trick for less than $100, because they two nobodies hadn't been poisoned by the lure of wasting fortunes of other people's money in order to buy prestige

[Anonymous No.15831929]

>>15830979
>they aim at the most expensive projects because
they have the most money to steal and the biggest kickbacks to demand

[Anonymous No.15832917]

>>15772148
>How bad is the current state of science and academia really?
very bad
>And which field is off the worst?
they all suck

[Anonymous No.15834059]

>>15773547
>Beyond pure curiosity, there's no actual incentive to understand complex facets of reality correctly,
what about boring acquaintances by repulsively spouting useless factoids all the time?

[Anonymous No.15834231]

>>15772148

[Anonymous No.15835069]

>>15834059
>the cliff claven archetype

[Anonymous No.15836002]

>>15772148
Its extremely bad, academia is pretty much 100% jewish communist propaganda

[Anonymous No.15836972]

>>15836002

[Anonymous No.15838042]

>>15806915
>I have more respect for manual labor workers than these fucks
manual labor workers produce something of legitimate tangible value, scientists do not, scientists only produce replication crisis literature

[Anonymous No.15838797]

>>15812537
Nice try at disowning him to protect your own reputation, but everyone already knows that you fuck dogs.

[Anonymous No.15839020]

>>15772148
engineering is filled with retards now because unis in my country are favoring female students over males and are even giving them more scholarship opportunities

[Anonymous No.15839056]

>>15772148
>science worshippers

Almost all my classmates became vaccine experts during the plandemic. They
>never allowed people to question in class
>mugged up everything that the teacher said
>still failed
>if the parameters of questions changed slightly, they used to lose their shit and used to protests for grace marks gibs
>mugged up basic maths
>perplexed when instead of 2x-5=10 find x became 2y+5=10
>they somehow managed to become engineers and became IT coolie
>surprised.jpg when they are the first ones to get fired
>"anon, stop being a NEET, we work for TCS. we are engineers"

[Anonymous No.15840415]

>>15839020
>fiu bridge collapse.rmv

[Anonymous No.15840564]

>>15777503
You cannot vote for communists.
You are the communist.

[Anonymous No.15840576]

>>15772148
Academia is shit, always has been. Science is doing great, though midwit americans and pseuds think otherwise, but who cares.
Biology, especially genetics is doing some really interesting shit. Mostly because there is still a lot of low hanging fruit, and research is cheap. Chemistry is a bit less interesting now than it once was, as it is an old as fuck discipline. Physics is getting very expensive, but there is still interesting shit going on.
Medicine has too much money in it, gets a lot of idiots and scams.
Unfortunatly, adding more money to a field actually causes more problems than good. Causes a lot of idiots getting hired. Researchers who can try anything lose focus.

[Anonymous No.15841672]

>>15836972
good pic

[Anonymous No.15842293]

>>15794309
> www.scientificamerican.com

[Anonymous No.15843348]

>>15839056
apparently they went from learning simple algebra to being engineers in a matter of a couple years

[Anonymous No.15843362]

>>15829486
geology always seemed bro-tier. get stoked to go up and look at cool rocks, sounds neat.

[Anonymous No.15844105]

>>15843362
I has a geology class that had a field trip, we found a fossilized tree surrounded by fossilized owl turds

[Anonymous No.15844120]

>>15772951
NEEToid cope

[Anonymous No.15845225]

>>15844120
SJWs are who is responsible
>oh no, there aren't enough negroes and women studying physics, thats racist and sexist!!
>we must gibes 9000 negro and female scholarships for physics students
meanwhile it was just like that because women and blacks didn't want to waste their time in school learning useless ""'facts""" about nonexistent dark matter and made up quantum garbage

[Anonymous No.15845243]

>>15777503
So what's the alternative, anarchism??

[Anonymous No.15845850]

>>15845225
how come they never complain that theres not enough female plumbers, electricians, construction workers or truck drivers?
how come they only complain about equality in jobs that are for people who sit on their asses and produce nothing of any value?

[Anonymous No.15846918]

>>15845850
women are supposed to produce healthy children, thats their only innate ability, if they aren't doing that there isn't much else they can do

[Anonymous No.15846976]

>>15845243
yes

[Anonymous No.15847737]

>>15844105
I know a guy that found a mammoth tooth. Later on he told some pros where he found it and they sent out a team to look for more remains, eventually they found an enormous fossilized spool of dental floss

[Anonymous No.15847746]

>which field is off the worst?
Tropical disease vaccine research. Imagine being in a position where you have to tell people more people will need vaccines because of climate change.

[Anonymous No.15847757]

>>15777503
the jewish people are just opportunists in the system of capitalism we have today (we are in the late stages, approaching what some call Techno-feudalism, see Varoufakis)

By solving the inequalities in capitalism, you simultaneously solve anti-semitism as psychoanalysis teaches, the realization of object petit a, the impossibility of lack, as the antidote to the main driving force of capitalism -- desire.

[Anonymous No.15848982]

>>15847757
>muh capitalism
>muh communism
they're both the same identical system with different flowery language describing them. ideologies only exists in high school and college political soience textbooks

[Anonymous No.15849664]

>>15847737

[Anonymous No.15850854]

>>15847757
>capitalism
capitalism and communism are the same system by two different names. the idea that economics and political science revolves around a dispute between those two systems is just another big divide and conquer scheme.

[Anonymous No.15851453]

>>15850854
they say it don't be like it is but it do

[Anonymous No.15852635]

>>15847737
https://youtu.be/oShTJ90fC34

[Anonymous No.15853099]

>>15828568
Name any instance when academia accepted a non-PC idea

[Anonymous No.15853422]

>>15853099
Well, for one, stating that skull sizes and facial features were irrelevant to determine who's a criminal and who's not, and then extend it to whole ethinicities, was pretty un-PC at the time (you wouldn't want the commissioner to look like a barbarian with a truncheon, would you?)
Making it clear shooting heroine wasn't helping opium addicts, anymore than electrocuting yourself helped with hypothermia, was rejected because it made previous doctors look like idiots.
Pemetrative anal sex being a more likely vector of STD than vaginal or oral intercourse isn't considered very PC, and yet it's a pretty shared consensus.
The whole field of psychiatry caused society-wide meltdowns, whenever it came up with theories, like beating up children being unhelpful.

[Anonymous No.15854661]

>>15772152

[Anonymous No.15854671]

>>15853422
>Pemetrative anal sex being a more likely vector of STD than vaginal or oral intercourse isn't considered very PC, and yet it's a pretty shared consensus.
This was soundly denied by mainstream "science" during the monkeypox epidemic and attempts to address it were censored.

[Anonymous No.15855128]

>>15854661
Despite? Because

[Anonymous No.15855141]

>>15854661
the cool kids skip over Marx are go back to Hegel (whom Marx studied)

[Anonymous No.15855142]

>>15772148
science (minus medicine)? just dandy.
medicine? fraudulent clownworld.

[Anonymous No.15856186]

>>15854661
How's that a bad thing? He was not tainted by bourgeois ideology

[Anonymous No.15856834]

>>15772148
it gets gayer and stupider every day

[Anonymous No.15857470]

>>15772148
>/sci/ actually thinks they are the dude on the left

[Barkun No.15857476]

>>15857470
Fart. In. My. Mouf... NOW. I said.

[Anonymous No.15858367]

>>15847737
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0hXv3vhUXs

[Anonymous No.15858746]

>>15772148
What do the wojaks co tribute to you chart?

[Anonymous No.15859857]

>>15858746
they trigger you

[Anonymous No.15860117]

>>15858746
Cariciaturisation for the feeble minded.