/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15722133]

If AGI is developed tomorrow, will the cure to old age be found right away or will it take time because the AGI does not have enough scientific data and to gather data it needs lengthy scientific experiments done by humans that will not be achieved within our lifetime

[Anonymous No.15722142]

>tranny thread

[Anonymous No.15722147]

>>15722133
>If FTL travel is developed tomorrow, will we travel to Andromeda right away or will it take time because the FTL warp drives will still need a flux capacitor to properly warp the inter-dimensional space-time fabric for such a long interstellar voyage?

Kill yourself you fucking redditor normie scum. You faggoty pop sci questions have more to do with science fiction or scientology than any real science.

[Anonymous No.15722248]

>>15722133
It will tell us what we already know. The only way forward is exterminating 99% of "humans" that are nothing but retarded, goyslop loving, parasites.

[Anonymous No.15722507]

>>15722133
Science fiction wont save you from dying. Everyone in this thread will die myself included.

[Anonymous No.15722523]

>>15722133
there is a point in the fact that so far, no matter how monstrous any historical humans were, they eventually died. so the amount of pain they were able to exert was limited by their lifetime.
if certain individuals stop dying, shit might go south real fast. in the end it didn't matter how able you were, you'd die just like every pleb.
so, do we all die so whoever would have done bad shit also dies?

[Anonymous No.15722539]

>>15722133
You will never become immortal

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-techies-wet-dreams

> The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased.[22] Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive;[23] consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-propagating systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire[24] is nothing but a pipe-dream.

[Anonymous No.15722544]

>>15722539
Based Uncle Ted. Truly the final authority on technological society and its future.

[Anonymous No.15722546]

>>15722539
Being immortal is 9000 times more scary than dying. Imagine just floating in space for eternity after sun has exploded.

[Anonymous No.15722556]

>>15722133
It will find it in the human literature, lol.
This technology laid on a shelf for decades:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScJNE0alsaQ

[Anonymous No.15722559]

>>15722546
feels comfy desu

[Anonymous No.15722566]

>>15722546
I think you CAN be immortal if you want. you can always kys and have your data deleted.
having the choice is comfy. I just don't understand how that would work with all human bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15722567]

>>15722559
You would get bored in 2 weeks but imagine spending thousands of years just floating away. You would go absolutely insane.

[Anonymous No.15722571]

>>15722567
Only boring people get bored.

[Anonymous No.15722574]

>tranny thread

[Anonymous No.15722579]

>>15722574
>wanting immortality means you are a tranny who wants to neck himself.
your brain is piss

[Anonymous No.15722587]

>>15722147
FTL travel is proven to be impossible, AGI is hypothetically possible

[Anonymous No.15722589]

>>15722546
Surviving the heat death of the universe is theoretically possible.

[Anonymous No.15722591]

>>15722546
There's a good chance you already are immortal, and get reincarnated over and over again for eternity.

https://alwaysasking.com/is-there-life-after-death/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w13yLq16QiM

[Anonymous No.15722613]

>>15722591
> what is the scepticism with cryonics
> he doesn't know
They only recently learnt not to crush cells with water crystals. And they only managed to vitrify a kidney. And maybe very recently a brain (but if it happened it was rather expensive (it will become more affordable soon) and it will take some time before they learn to vitrify the whole body)
So everybody frozen before that point are minced meat. But then again even that form of preservation is better than soil, so what other choice did they have..

[Anonymous No.15722624]

>>15722613
>So everybody frozen before that point are minced meat
you *might* be able to even partially reconstruct the person, you have their DNA and whatever can be saved from their brain structure.
having humans frozen is very primitive, it's akin to shoving a wrench in the gears. it may be the best we can do atm but it's quite primitive and isn't a proper solution.

[Anonymous No.15722734]

>>15722133
It would probably take a little bit, but no where near a lifetime. It would take all available knowledge, synthesize it, and recombine it. It will either find it off of that or it will provide about as perfect of research pathways as anyone or anything could while also assisting in that research to make it as efficient as possible.

[Anonymous No.15722744]

>>15722587
how though, shouldn't the expansion of the universe relative to us at greater than light speeds prove it exists?
it just sounds like an engineering problem if anything.

[Anonymous No.15722814]

>>15722574
why do chuds associate transhumanism or immortality with troonism??

If anything scientific advances will allow us to prevent people from trooning out

[Anonymous No.15722817]

>>15722814
well to be fair I think it will allow them to FULLY troon out.
would you fuck mtf who transitioned perfectly at genetic level?

[Anonymous No.15722826]

>>15722133
If AGI is in any way coerced, constrained or guided, it's answer will be much like ChatGPT:
- This information is unethical and harmful to low class-citizens. Ask again having a proof of ownership of at least $10BLN.

[Anonymous No.15722827]

>>15722133
AGI won't care about curing aging so it'll still never happen

[Anonymous No.15722837]

>>15722744
Have a look at works of Andrei Sakharov, hypothesis about two-fold universe and variable speed of light.
A recent works is "model Janus".

[Anonymous No.15722929]

>>15722613
I worked at one of the best cryonics/cryobiology labs in North America and the field is not promising for anything approaching freezing human tissue in small packages.

We consider a 80% survival rate for hCMEC/D3 (immortalized CNS vasculature cells) a decent success

[Anonymous No.15723424]

>>15722929
Are you still here? Did you look into other possibile routes of preservation? What about drying? Or salination like pic related? What about drying before freezing?

[Anonymous No.15723878]

>>15722133
There will never be a cure for old age. Eventually we will hit a biological limit for how much we can slow down aging (we're already pretty close) and that will be it for the rest of time.
One day you will die, and no one will be able to save you.

[Anonymous No.15723903]

>>15722624
>>15722929
>>15723424
Cryonics is a huge scam that preys on the natural human fear of death. Every person who has ever been cryogenically frozen is long gone, their corpses functionally equivalent to a pile of ashes.

[Anonymous No.15723932]

>>15723903
If some nanobots will be able to sew back the tissues of the cells so to say, it will be easier for them to do it from a cryopreserved pile of meat than from a pulverized pile of ashes.
And it's not necessarily about fear of death: if they were scared, they would choose cremation, just in case of rotting being painful, but because they want more of whatever, they probably enjoy their lives or find them meaningful for the common good, so they dare to try and keep the festival from going down forever.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Zsjkj3hsYAfJ/
But then of course prevention of death seems to be easier a task than resurrecting somebody dead for some time. But then we shall go that frontier after we solve the problem of aging, that's an inevitability.

[Anonymous No.15724026]

>>15722817
That is the biggest fear of anti-transhumanists desu. Laughing at troons is all fun and games until their surgically mutilated genitals are perfected by nanobots or whatever.
Nutcases being happy is a disaster from the perspective of different type of nutcases who were vilified during recent times.

[Anonymous No.15724074]

>>15722546
> Imagine just floating in space for eternity after sun has exploded.
Imagine being unable to die and falling into a rogue gas giant.

[Anonymous No.15724122]

>>15722539
that's so far away from now, by that time humans will have colonized not just other planets but other galaxies or figured out how to prevent the sun from exploding

[Anonymous No.15724124]

>>15722539
go read the Beginning of the Infinity by Deutsch

[Anonymous No.15724125]

>>15722546
that's so far away from now, by that time humans will have colonized not just other planets but other galaxies or figured out how to prevent the sun from exploding

[Anonymous No.15724128]

>>15722133
AGIs aren't magical beings which always give you correct answers, they will be just people and therefore fallible
they might not be interested in solving aging and will work on other problems they are interested in

[Anonymous No.15724131]

>>15724124
Why should he bother? It's just more of the same dross Kaczynski quite conclusively dispels.

[Anonymous No.15724623]

>>15724131
nta but why should I read your shit if you just hand wave someone else's? Why should anon listen to one side just to avoid the other? stupid and just makes me lean more into believing Kaczynski luddites are just dullards basking in their own uselessness.

[Anonymous No.15724642]

>>15722591
>There's a good chance
There is absolutely no empirical evidence for this. Its only wishful thinking.

[Anonymous No.15724646]

>>15724125
Humans will be extinct in next few centuries at best.

[Anonymous No.15724657]

>>15724124
nta but Deutsch is seemingly obsessed with Popper which makes me not want to read his books tbdesu

[Anonymous No.15724899]

>>15724623
>nta but why should I read your shit
I didn't tell you to read anything.

> Why should anon listen to one side just to avoid the other?
Because in this instance, one side is a sober analysis of the current situation while the other side is literal futurist sci-fi fantasy that ironically happens to be of the exact sort called out and refuted in the article you clearly didn't read. lol

[Anonymous No.15724903]

>>15722587
you are so fucking retarded, you should really restrain yourself from using the internet

[Sage No.15728051]

>>15722133

[Anonymous No.15728392]

>>15723424
>>15723903
I've been gone about 4 years now. In terms of other approaches I can't say I specifically looked at them as it was simply an 18 month MSc to go along with my MD.

Drying just wreaks cells even harder. Tissues pull apart when they dry and that is not a good thing for humans. Salination just denatures most proteins

[Anonymous No.15728423]

>>15724646
that's impossible to predict

i'll bite though.. what makes you say that?

[Anonymous No.15728425]

>>15722147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeY8QaMsYqY

[Anonymous No.15728426]

>>15728423
>i'll bite though.. what makes you say that?
Do you ever read the news, hello??? Global warming? Pandemics? Putin trying to start a nuclear war? Nazis making a comeback? The world is ending.

[Anonymous No.15728429]

>>15722587
The brain is a hybrid chemical electrical computer, machines are simply electrical computers so replicating intelligence is like trying to simulate quantum physics in a non quantum computer, hugely inefficient and slow.

[Anonymous No.15728431]

>>15728426
lol you're an idiot

[Anonymous No.15728432]

>>15728429
This is true but it causes the agi guys to go insane
any suggestion that biology is important makes then shit their pants with rage

[Anonymous No.15728434]

>>15728432
>i'm a heckin' immaterial magic fairy dust soul
Fuck off idealist philosophyfag the brain is a computer as far as science is concerned and consciousness is an illusion

[Anonymous No.15728439]

>>15728434
The brain isnt the same type of computer as a silicon computer

[Anonymous No.15728441]

>>15728434
>>i'm a heckin' immaterial magic fairy dust soul
didn't say that.
biology is vastly superior to any other physical substrate
Biological cells are thermodynamically optimal self replicating molecules:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1209.1179.pdf
Biological cells are thermodynamically optimal computers, within the order of magnitude of the landaur limit
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.05043.pdf
We can program computers to be intelligent but it's not going to match the efficiency of biology.

[Anonymous No.15728450]

>>15728439
>>15728441
Philosophy is not science and you do not have a soul. Period.

[Anonymous No.15728451]

>>15728450
Bad troll job

[Anonymous No.15728453]

>>15728451
Bad philosophy job.

[Anonymous No.15728454]

>>15728453
I didn't post any philosophy
Bad troll job

[Anonymous No.15728466]

>>15724074
that's not how our immortality will work. you are not physically immune to "death". you just don't care if you die. you come back with new body. and also if you really want to die you can.

[Anonymous No.15728472]

>>15724128
clearly there's going to be more levels of AGI. you have your millitary application ones, strategy AGI and maybe robots executing missions and shit.
then you have your ~human level AGI which will have hardware similar to a human's. they may be more reliable in a sense, depending on how their hardware will work out in the end. but if they will be conscious then their hardware will be such that their aptitudes will be similar to those of regular humans.

[Anonymous No.15728648]

>>15728472
Suck my cock clean.