/sfg/ Spaceflight General

[Anonymous No.15604929]

Rocket Lab 30th launch - edition

previous >>15600450

[Anonymous No.15604932]

>>15604929
Spess

[Anonymous No.15604933]

told yall the superconductor was fake

[Anonymous No.15604935]

Stream started 10 mins ago, so launch should be in 10 minus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAwEeNI_D10

[Anonymous No.15604937]

>>15604933
its inconclusive still

[Anonymous No.15604939]

>>15604933
Is a chinese sigh up

[Anonymous No.15604940]

intro started now

[Anonymous No.15604945]

15min to launch, one attempt at on the hour

[Anonymous No.15604952]

Beck is saying its flight 40 lol

[Anonymous No.15604958]

>>15604937
In the same way the aether is, yes.

[Anonymous No.15604961]

>>15604797
>was mass deleting the superconductor posts necessary?
>was it necessary to moderate spam that was unrelated to space?

[Anonymous No.15604966]

lol looks kind of jank

[Anonymous No.15604972]

Ria?

[Anonymous No.15604977]

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

[Anonymous No.15604978]

> BRAP
abort

[Anonymous No.15604979]

poot

g'night /sfg/

[Anonymous No.15604980]

>pffbtft
well that was a wet fart of an abort

[Anonymous No.15604996]

abrrrraaaaaap

[Anonymous No.15604997]

>>15604961
he's ban evading and wants to post even more off topic spam

[Anonymous No.15605034]

Who else here edits space-related wikipedia pages?

[Anonymous No.15605036]

https://twitter.com/AshleyKillip/status/1685479338827997184

[Anonymous No.15605039]

>>15605036

[Anonymous No.15605041]

>>15605039

[Anonymous No.15605042]

>>15605041

[Anonymous No.15605045]

https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1685484547679416320

[Anonymous No.15605046]

>>15605036
cant wait to see this thing actually tested with a static fire

[Anonymous No.15605047]

>>15605046
That's still a year away, according to the smartest anons in this general.

[Anonymous No.15605053]

>>15605047
nah, maybe 8 months

[Anonymous No.15605071]

>>15605053
Now watch as it happens in eight days, and grifters still spin it as SpaceX fucking it up somehow.

[Anonymous No.15605122]

How do they keep starship pressurized for lifts?

[Anonymous No.15605129]

>>15605122
Why would it need to be pressurized for lifts?

[Anonymous No.15605134]

>>15605129
Because it's incredibly flimsy?

[Anonymous No.15605135]

>>15605122
Just keep the valves closed and the pressure stays in lol.

[Anonymous No.15605136]

ELONG

[Anonymous No.15605140]

>>15605134
It definitely is not that

[Anonymous No.15605145]

>>15605122
it only needs pressurization during fill-ups so the weight of fuel (or nitrogen) doesn't buckle the walls. if starship or superheavy needed pressurization when empty them they couldn't cut holes in the side of it to do interior work e.g. when B7's downcomer imploded and they had mexicans inside the tank fixing it.
>>15604997
I wasn't an off topic poster and I didn't get banned or have any of my posts deleted, it just rubs me the wrong way seeing only half of the /pol/shit get removed AND having a few more reasonable posts caught in the crossfire AND ESPECIALLY only having the faggot jannies step in after the thread is already autosaging
if they're gonna do such a haphazard job they could maybe do it before the thread is on page 9

[Anonymous No.15605157]

>>15605145
They prefer to put the crane on ships when they're depressurized.
Doesn't seem like they always do it though.
Reminder that 4mm thick steel is pretty damn thick actually.

[Anonymous No.15605203]

>>15605045
I hope based-space is doing alright, he made some tweets about degrading mental health lately.

[Anonymous No.15605223]

Reminder that nothing will come of this ESG seething about the clean water act.
Spacex is certainly working with the regulators to make sure they have everything they need for launch.
Eric Roesch is just a perpetual seether with no more insight than anybody else.

[Anonymous No.15605243]

lmao, based retard

[Anonymous No.15605247]

>>15605243
who are you talking to ?

[Anonymous No.15605249]

>>15605247
To my friends from /sfg/

[Anonymous No.15605250]

>>15605249
is the based retard in the room with us right now?

[Anonymous No.15605254]

>>15605250
The based retard is a guy who put that sign with LED stripes there.

[Anonymous No.15605311]

>>15605254
it is a very bright sign

[Anonymous No.15605320]

When is starship attempting another orbital flight?

[Anonymous No.15605321]

>>15605320
in 2 months, like Elon said

[Anonymous No.15605333]

>>15605321
but two months from when?
also real time or Elon time?

[Anonymous No.15605343]

https://twitter.com/boringcompany/status/1685526304463151104

for the retards bringing the boring company up as a scam/failure constantly
its under development, it has been around less than 10 years

[Anonymous No.15605346]

>>15605343
>EV merchant sells EV only tunnels
You can't even be mad with kikery of this sophistication

[Anonymous No.15605348]

Do rocket engines like the Merlin always burn fuel rich? Is that the reason the exhaust is so opaque? I don't see exhausts like that coming out of jet engines

[Anonymous No.15605350]

>>15605346
ICE cars are obsolete

[Anonymous No.15605357]

The Germans claim to be able to into space. Seems like vaporware to me
But linear areorspikes and spaceplanes are hot button autisms for this thread
https://www.polaris-raumflugzeuge.de/Technology/Demonstrators

[Anonymous No.15605362]

>>15605357
shouldn't have posted this. it is of no value.

[Anonymous No.15605372]

>>15605357
>spaceplane
space cannot possibly be so hard if this often the most basic design trade results in obviously brain damaged outcomes.
space cannot be that hard if nasa goes to space with two ideas that are bad at the very core of them: the SLS and STS.

[Anonymous No.15605373]

>>15605350
electric ones too, we will soon go back to horses, humanity failed, it's too late.

[Anonymous No.15605387]

>>15605346
Dig your own tunnel, oil jew.

[Anonymous No.15605394]

>>15605357
Impossible, they can't accomplish this before me so it simply cannot be

[Anonymous No.15605397]

>>15605372
FAGGOT PAINFULLY SUBOPTIMAL KEK PLANE AEROSPIKE FAGGOT WITH TURBINE AND ROCKET ENGINE
BUILD A MONOCOQUE LIQUID ROCKET OR JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP I DO NOT CARE ANYMORE ABOUT STUPID TOY TRANNY TINKER PROJECTS THAT WILL NEVER GO ANYWHERE FUCK YOU

[Anonymous No.15605399]

>>15605311
>>15605254
Anyone living there can afford to buy curtains

[Anonymous No.15605400]

>>15605357
>bundeswehr
lol, lmao even

[Anonymous No.15605405]

https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1685113293667524608

as the lazy gweilo bastards arent doing anything (looking at you europe), here is some chinese rocketry

[Anonymous No.15605407]

https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1685523840863178752

[Anonymous No.15605408]

>>15605350
extremely delusional

[Anonymous No.15605409]

>>15605405
>solid rocket
implessive

[Anonymous No.15605412]

https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1685311439068934144

[Anonymous No.15605414]

>>15605408
>>15605350
I hate that EVs are a part of the culture war. I don't even care about the environment, I just like the idea of being able to refill my car at home.

[Anonymous No.15605418]

>>15605405
why would one build a pressure fed rocket in the year 2023?
i thought mass was everything in spaceflight?
i thought every component had a margin of 1.1

[Anonymous No.15605419]

>>15605408
won't be many years until ICE cars sticker price is higher than EVs
they will be completely obsolete soon

[Anonymous No.15605425]

>>15605357
>speßplane
jalol

[Anonymous No.15605429]

https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1684913060962807808

[Anonymous No.15605431]

>>15605419
>"By the end of 2021, the average car price topped out at just over $47,000"
>"Currently, most estimates put the average price of a new EV somewhere around $64,000, which is slightly lower than the average price in the spring and summer of last year"
Thanks for the consolation, bro

[Anonymous No.15605437]

>>15605431
and let's not get started on reliability

[Anonymous No.15605451]

>>15605437
>>15605431
clueless and wrong on both, looking at 2021 numbers is retarded
you can get a tesla model 3 for 40k and get a bunch of subsidies on top of this
but what I was really talking about is the next gen compacts

[Anonymous No.15605460]

>>15605431
Volvo EX30 is $35k USD before any subsidies. And unlike Tesla the drivetrain isn't the only thing with acceptable finish. They'll sell trillions.

[Anonymous No.15605463]

>>15605460
>buying chinesium

[Anonymous No.15605469]

Teslas are quite unreliable

[Anonymous No.15605472]

>>15605469
wrong
https://insideevs.com/news/679233/tesla-model-3-reliability-highly-rated-survey/

[Anonymous No.15605474]

>>15605472
>insideevs
>survey
literally worthless

[Anonymous No.15605476]

>>15605474
its a survey by bloomberg you gorilla nigger

[Anonymous No.15605478]

>>15605469
>Teslas are quite unreliable
they're not

[Anonymous No.15605479]

>>15605476
Even more worthless then

[Anonymous No.15605481]

>>15605479
absolutely terminal EDS lmao

[Anonymous No.15605484]

Electric motors are obviously extremely reliable, but with electric cars the battery shits the bed

[Anonymous No.15605485]

>>15605484
wrong

[Anonymous No.15605486]

>>15605481
I'm a Muskrat, but those people are not trustworthy.

[Anonymous No.15605487]

>>15604961
>kurzegalt
>>15605247
tu ur mum lmao
>>15605346
>>15605350
>>15605414
Dildo Evs are idiotics like their gay supporters, the only reason i tolerate theie existence is because there's no oil in the Moon, Mars and Uranus
>>15605397
>>15605372
Enjoy your cucked bugcapsule lmao

[Anonymous No.15605488]

>>15605485
objectively wrong

[Anonymous No.15605490]

>>15605487
>eds nigger is also spaceplane faggot
many such cases

[Anonymous No.15605491]

>>15605486
you are a lying nigger that is either completely clueless or actually retarded

[Anonymous No.15605495]

>>15605491
Refute this.

[Anonymous No.15605496]

>>15605484
>the battery shits the bed
don't they last like 200k miles? plenty imo

[Anonymous No.15605497]

>>15605343
It is a scam for retards.

We already have this thing, except much better. It's called the subway.

[Anonymous No.15605498]

>Big bang in shambles
This is the future you chose
You only had to listen

[Anonymous No.15605500]

>>15605490
The Shuttle was more practical than your 20 min electric dildo kek

[Anonymous No.15605502]

>>15605497
Subway has poor, violent and smelly people.

[Anonymous No.15605505]

>>15605500
holy seethe.
>>15605497
have you ever been on a subway? did you think it was good?

[Anonymous No.15605506]

>>15605498
Elaborate, please

[Anonymous No.15605508]

>>15605502
>>15605505
It's because of the niggers, stupid niggerlover bugman

[Anonymous No.15605509]

>>15605502
yep

[Anonymous No.15605511]

>>15605496
I'm talking about a sudden battery failure requiring servicing. It happens too often for Teslas to be considered reliable
>>15605495
Thanks for posting this

[Anonymous No.15605513]

>>15605495
"problems" include retards not being able to use the UI, paint chips etc random shit
having bad paint quality (which is a problem for fremont made cars, or at least has been) does not mean the car is unreliable

[Anonymous No.15605514]

>>15605502
subways aren't the problem here.

[Anonymous No.15605517]

>>15605514
subways are super loud, stop at every stop all the time, bounce around on the track.
even if they weren't filled to the brim with people where you have to stand they would not be a good mode of transport.

[Anonymous No.15605518]

>>15605514
Yes, but until this problem is solved, I will not use the metro.

[Anonymous No.15605530]

>>15605517
Probably faster than traversing the city with a car

[Anonymous No.15605533]

>>15605530
that's why you have to go 3d. i don't know about the specifics of the boring company thing but the premise is 100% sensible.
either tunnels or flying.

[Anonymous No.15605534]

>>15605530
if there is traffic yes, if you can go directly to your destination through a tunnel (and not stopping at 15 stops before your destination like in a subway), then certainly not

[Anonymous No.15605544]

ukrainian military message claiming that russia can now defeat starlink with jamming

[Anonymous No.15605556]

>>15605343
Would be a mad place to skate.

To keep it spaceflight, imagine skating in the flame trench.

[Anonymous No.15605558]

>>15605544
So they don't need Starlink anymore. Good to know.

[Anonymous No.15605576]

>>15605558
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.15605583]

>>15605576
I meant that I loved you forever.

[Anonymous No.15605592]

You're in the club and this guy slaps your ass. What do you do?

[Anonymous No.15605595]

Hahahu u ded gurl

[Anonymous No.15605608]

>>15605544
Is this saturation jamming of the satellites with beamforming or some shit? Seems like shielding a starlink terminal from directional jamming close the ground wouldn't be impossible.

[Anonymous No.15605612]

>>15605608
git gud

[Anonymous No.15605614]

When launch?
I liked their toxic masculinity in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnBJH_lOCd4
like a bunch of fußball fans

[Anonymous No.15605631]

>>15605614
Eurospace startups are growing their numbers. I want to believe.

[Anonymous No.15605643]

>>15604937
If it was real it would've been proven by now, because it is materially simple.

[Anonymous No.15605650]

>>15605631
>have the capability to launch people to space
>never do it
I hate this place.

[Anonymous No.15605656]

>>15605643
wrong

[Anonymous No.15605684]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrRqiDzH0nc

> Interview with Dr. Phil Metzger about ground damage from rocket plumes, including Starship IFT. (Off-Nominal Podcast)

[Anonymous No.15605692]

>>15605684
He's a cool guy. No boring person would spend so much time researching literal space dirt.

[Anonymous No.15605695]

Are there any straight (heterosexual) /sfg/ posters?

[Anonymous No.15605701]

>>15605684
Which one of these is Dr Phil?

[Anonymous No.15605745]

>>15605701
The one that looks normal.

[Anonymous No.15605757]

>>15605348
yeah

[Anonymous No.15605771]

>>15605498
I can't fly to the big bang therefore it's not spaceflight, fuck off
>>15605695
no

[Anonymous No.15605775]

https://youtu.be/g_G2tw7fz6Y
Elonbros... how will we ever recover?

[Anonymous No.15605776]

>>15605745
don't you mean nominal

[Anonymous No.15605788]

>>15605684
>Dr. Philip Metzger is a planetary physicist who recently retired from NASA's Kennedy Space Center, where he co-founded the KSC Swamp Works.
>It was founded in 2012, when four laboratories in the Surface Systems Office were merged into an enlarged facility with a modified philosophy for rapid technology development.
>The team developed the Swamp Works operating philosophy from Kelly Johnson's Skunk Works, including the "14 Rules of Management", from the NASA development shops of Wernher von Braun,

I wonder how much have they delivered over a decade.

[Anonymous No.15605800]

>>15605788
they do research, producing papers
one the latest ones was about a lunar economy or something, its been a while since i read about it though

[Anonymous No.15605821]

https://twitter.com/LionnetPierre/status/1685649977068994560

[Anonymous No.15605828]

>>15605821
this whole war is a war profiteering for the west

[Anonymous No.15605832]

>>15605821
Monetary aid to Ukraine is in the range of NASA budget, tens of billions not hundreds. If those numbers are true they would mean military aid to Ukraine gives more bang for the buck in space than the whole NASA budget. lol

[Anonymous No.15605861]

>>15605832
Monetary value of aid I mean.

[Anonymous No.15605863]

>>15605821
Based. God I love defense contracting.

[Anonymous No.15605874]

the US should not be reluctant to give military aid to various factions

[Anonymous No.15605882]

>>15605821
Their war profiteering of the purest kind (SpaceX)
Our charitable, honorable defense provision ukraine needs more of! (any US military companies)

[Anonymous No.15605900]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKXACPDEhYE

[Anonymous No.15605910]

What ever happened to that steam rocket that was supposed to launch from within the water? Its been a while since I've heard about them.

[Anonymous No.15605923]

>>15605910
you mean the gypsy scam?
they got somebody to show them the copper warehouse and then absconded with it

[Anonymous No.15605988]

>>15605425
Kek

[Anonymous No.15606047]

>>15605821
>nooooo you can't just profit from selling goods or services to the military aaaaaaaaaa
tankies get the rope

[Anonymous No.15606049]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihBBaHpQ9u4

[Anonymous No.15606093]

>>15606047
tankies want pootin to win, its shitlibs who seethe about ukraine and musk

[Anonymous No.15606104]

>>15605900

[Anonymous No.15606112]

>>15606104
it's over

[Anonymous No.15606119]

>>15606104
is the yellow actually there or is it some kind of digital highlight?

[Anonymous No.15606133]

>>15605900

[Anonymous No.15606134]

>>15606093
>tankies want pootin to win
No shit, that's why they seethe about Musk helping Ukraine
>nooo they criticize musk for not helping ukraine enough and for free
Do you really fall for this shit? They're mad about Musk helping Ukraine so they sow whatever discord they can in an effort to disrupt these dealings.

[Anonymous No.15606135]

>>15606119
It's physically there. It's a heavy duty ground barrier material.

[Anonymous No.15606140]

>>15606119
I think they left it in on accident, they use yellow to highlight stuff in the video

[Anonymous No.15606144]

>>15606135
>>15606140
now I don't know what to believe

[Anonymous No.15606146]

>>15606135
some kind of plastic?

[Anonymous No.15606156]

>>15606133

[Anonymous No.15606161]

>>15606144
>>15606146
It's probably something like, if not specifically this product https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-14-ft-x-140-ft-15-mil-Yellow-Guard-Vapor-Barrier-CFYG1514-140Y/204172012

[Anonymous No.15606198]

I am forgotten.

[Anonymous No.15606210]

>>15606198
I member

[Anonymous No.15606213]

>>15606198
False, I randomly think about Saturn Is multiple times a week. I’m not even kidding

[Anonymous No.15606248]

What’s the purpose of keeping Antares alive with Firefly engines if FF already has their own similar rocket? They should just acquire firefly and make one rocket

[Anonymous No.15606256]

>>15606119
Yes it's there to simulate the surface of yellow planets

[Anonymous No.15606265]

>>15606256
starship Io landing confirmed?

[Anonymous No.15606287]

>>15606265
Starship cannot orbit IO, let alone land on it, even if refueled at Earth-Moon L2. It's over.

[Anonymous No.15606303]

>>15605684
god these 2 faggots are so fucking insufferable i cannot listen to them, let him talk jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.15606335]

>>15606210
the milkstool.....

[Anonymous No.15606344]

The next dragon should be named Trampoline lol

[Anonymous No.15606377]

>>15605495
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-and-nissan-make-the-most-reliable-electric-vehicles-a1003912076/
sort by EV models and Tesla model 3 is #2

[Anonymous No.15606385]

>>15605684
Love these guys
>>15605821
Elon should shut down Starlink in Ukraine to avoid looking like a war profiteer

[Anonymous No.15606396]

>>15605495
Tesla is known for shoddy quality overall. The electric drivetrain / battery is rarely the problem.

[Anonymous No.15606457]

when is starliner gonna launch and btfo dragon x?

[Anonymous No.15606461]

>>15606457
>starliner
delusional

[Anonymous No.15606493]

>>15606457
never

[Anonymous No.15606522]

>>15606457
Fixed

[Anonymous No.15606535]

>>15606104
>>15606133
the space mexicans are putting some work. starbase is looking good.

[Anonymous No.15606549]

>>15606049
>>15605544
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

[Anonymous No.15606610]

>>15606522
Yeah ok bud

[Anonymous No.15606639]

>>15606248
engines are relatively easily swapable, just re-rout the plumbing a bit and then you can test everything on the ground
what's most likely to kill your rocket are controls and all the unknown unknowns that will show up eventually
In case of Antares, all of those misc points of failure are already de-bugged, so they won't have basic teething issues

[Anonymous No.15606641]

>>15606248
>if FF already has their own similar rocket
sure doesnt seem like it. where is their rocket? when is it flying?

[Anonymous No.15606648]

hot staging test article

[Anonymous No.15606653]

>>15606648

[Anonymous No.15606654]

>>15606648
so its braces all around
kind of obvious in retrospect

[Anonymous No.15606660]

>>15606648
I guess it really does just not line up with the stringers

[Anonymous No.15606675]

>>15606610
I love this moment, it's such a funny thing
>oh shit Dragon just exploded
>wtf why
>what do you mean titanium and nitrogen tetroxide will spontaneously ignite if the titanium is freshly raw and the nitrogen tetroxide is at high pressure
>shit that explains like four different lost missions, doesn't it

[Anonymous No.15606703]

>>15606648
my god it's full of stringers

[Anonymous No.15606705]

>>15606675
what other lost missions does it explain?

[Anonymous No.15606711]

>>15606705
there were a couple of mysterious commsat and probe failures, I can't remember them off the top of my head but they all had the common thread of "titanium pipes and valves with nitrogen tetroxide"

[Anonymous No.15606716]

>>15606648
I want a papercraft version on my desk tomorrow morning, snap snap

[Anonymous No.15606723]

>>15606716
like minecraft but more soi

[Anonymous No.15606727]

>>15606716
hoping for a nintendo labo version

[Anonymous No.15606790]

https://twitter.com/foundersfund/status/1555303358696677379
Zubrin is now doing conferences with ufo cranks and the notoriously unhygienic whore Aella

[Anonymous No.15606817]

>>15606790
>the absolute state of zubrin

[Anonymous No.15606824]

>>15606817
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.15606833]

>>15606716
now that you mention it, that does look like papercraft model
the cranes in foreground look like staplers and the foreground out of focus makes it look out of perspective and way smaller
the building in the background helps the illusion

[Anonymous No.15606834]

>>15606824
its a common comment format nigger

[Anonymous No.15606870]

[Anonymous No.15606895]

>>15606870
I’m still not sure what exactly “biconic” means, and I am only familiar with it due to BO’s ooooold crew vehicle proposal

[Anonymous No.15606900]

>>15606895
Biconic means you built your capsule upside down but don't want to admit that you're retarded

[Anonymous No.15606905]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apk736grxiY
Wake up, /sfg/, new EDS vid just dropped.

[Anonymous No.15606906]

https://twitter.com/Andercot/status/1668004537314189313

[Anonymous No.15606910]

What was the point?

[Anonymous No.15606912]

>>15606895
>The biconic is a sphere-cone with an additional frustum attached. The biconic offers a significantly improved L/D ratio. A biconic designed for Mars aerocapture typically has an L/D of approximately 1.0 compared to an L/D of 0.368 for the Apollo-CM. The higher L/D makes a biconic shape better suited for transporting people to Mars due to the lower peak deceleration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_entry#Biconic

[Anonymous No.15606916]

>>15606910
liberal tears

[Anonymous No.15606918]

>>15606906
I really really want somebody to build a retarded megastructure launch method but it's too expensive and retarded on Earth

[Anonymous No.15606922]

>>15606906
Yeeeeeah no

[Anonymous No.15606924]

>>15606906
at least it's a physical mock up and not a render. I bet it can even sling that little toy pretty fast.

[Anonymous No.15606928]

>>15606895
biconic literally means two cones, where the vehicle is cone shaped but the angle of the cone changes

[Anonymous No.15606947]

>>15606918
starship makes mass drivers for lunar sample return viable.
unfortunately launching humans from the moon is another matter. you would want a track dozens of kilometers long.

[Anonymous No.15606954]

>>15606905
nice window into the alternate reality haters live in. dont have much to say, though must be exhausting to seethe perpetually

[Anonymous No.15606970]

>>15606947
What if you encase the human in water first

[Anonymous No.15606973]

>>15606906
https://twitter.com/Andercot/status/1668004557832744960

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QU_WxHnpYA

[Anonymous No.15606979]

>>15606954
anything new? these get boring after watching a few

[Anonymous No.15606984]

>>15606979
no it's actually more boring than your average thunderchad musk takedown

[Anonymous No.15606994]

>>15606970
>>15606947
Bump for intrest

[Anonymous No.15607002]

>>15606905
I knew someone would share Tyler's video here lmao

[Anonymous No.15607011]

>>15606905
>random toober explaining why (mostly) successful multi-billionare stupid and big dumb

[Anonymous No.15607040]

Ummmm SpaceX is only cheaper because government subsidies :^)

[Anonymous No.15607136]

>>15606905
He says some valid things, but pretty much all of them are "Musk isn't doing a good job with Twitter", which is nothing new. Also, he says with so much confidence that Elon isn't an engineer, and yet there are records of SpaceX employees saying that he is.

[Anonymous No.15607142]

>>15606954
Hate is one thing, but I think a lot of it is people mentally aggregating negative news stories. And they think the more bad things they hear about, the more likely something is to fail, as if business works on "three strikes and you're out" like baseball. If you ask simple fundamental questions like how many users does twitter have? Is it going up or down? How much money does elon have? You would get an actual picture you can predict the future with. It's hard to find people that are aware spacex lifts more weight into space than all other launch providers in the world combined, but easy to find people that are worried about explosions they heard about. But can I blame them? The news would never casually drop that information.

And no matter how rich elon gets, or his companies are still around, they never stop to examine how they got it wrong. They just say meritocracy has failed and clowns can be worth 240 billion.

[Anonymous No.15607143]

>>15607136
How trustful are these records given that they're working for him?

[Anonymous No.15607149]

>>15607136
>He says some valid things, but pretty much all of them are "Musk isn't doing a good job with Twitter", which is nothing new
this is his and your opinion, which I'm confident will be proven wrong in the future even if you don't see it yet

[Anonymous No.15607150]

>>15607142
>But can I blame them?
Yes. Stupid people are still responsible for themselves. They have no excuse.

[Anonymous No.15607153]

>>15607143
have you watched the starbase tours with everday astronaut and musk? I guess he could bullshit all that stuff, but it just seems unlikely to me and kind of ridiculous
its nothing more than cope, a rationalization

[Anonymous No.15607155]

>>15607011
Jealousy is such an ugly thing.

[Anonymous No.15607161]

>>15607143
I remember a big name ex-SpaceX employee saying that Musk did, indeed, participate in the development process beyond saying "I want this done". Also, >>15607153

[Anonymous No.15607175]

>>15605775
>10 kids
>Small dick energy

[Anonymous No.15607178]

>>15607161
I think the issue is people know that he isn't making the cad files or welding the rings, and then assume he's as far removed from the design process as they are.

[Anonymous No.15607180]

>>15607143
yeah I'd rather trust the people who have never met the guy

[Anonymous No.15607183]

>>15607136
>but pretty much all of them are "Musk isn't doing a good job with Twitter", which is nothing new

the rebranding is the only actually questionable thing Elon has done with twitter, but we live in a world where major news outlets still trot out crap like "Elon undermines Ukraine's war effort"

[Anonymous No.15607187]

>>15605418
it turns out that extreme mass autism is half the reason europe cannot into space, the chinese know their limits of manufacturing and do not attempt to obtain that final 10% margin, thus they succeed. only the government backed military industrial gigacorporations of the US can afford to chase those margins without abject failure, both in an engineering sense and a financial one
and then spacex comes along and proves you don't need to anyways, so it turns out europe just fucking sucks

[Anonymous No.15607200]

>>15607187
this actually ties into the "elon is no engineer" discussion and the starbase tours
trying to get the 10% right away is premature optimization, which Musk talked about in the first tour I think
SpaceX and Tesla are really about applying silicon valley software principles into hardware, do a simple minimum viable product and the iterate quickly from there, don't fall into sunk costs traps

[Anonymous No.15607211]

>>15606973
>>15606906
two words: spin. launch.

[Anonymous No.15607221]

>>15607153
>>15607161
Could Musk make an amateur rocket all by himself with his current aerospace knowledge? Or could he replace any of his engineers right now?
This isn't a necessity since his job is to be the businessman and manager, but he was branded as some kind of genius which is why people question this. I doubt Bezos has any knowledge of rockets beyond the basics, but he was never branded as nothing more than a businessman as far as I'm aware.
I do wonder how much people like James Webb understood about rocket science.

[Anonymous No.15607226]

>>15607221
literal children build amateur rockets and yes but only the black/indian ones he was forced to hire

[Anonymous No.15607235]

>>15607150
Responsible sure but for blame I don't think I can throw the first stone

I think about when I'm doing the same thing. Keeping it spaceflight, look at somebody like jeff bezos. I don't hate the guy. I know he's smart. Amazon is run well. And I'll never make a youtube video. But I don't think I like him. Probably because I never hear anything good about him here. He's below orbit, he can't deliver that engine that melts, he tried to tie up the HLS contract and delay work, he's way behind spacex yet way more secretive than spacex, he's highly sanitized yet comes across as posturing and arrogant. Everybody's sure that stupid anti-starship infographic is from his marketing team. But what are the fundamentals? How much money is he willing to spend? How far along are they? Does his team have the technical competence to be a player? This is the stuff I know least about. He could have fucking nothing and face value was right, or he could surprise me. If anyone wants to really paint the damning picture of below orbit now is your chance.

[Anonymous No.15607239]

>>15606928
Looks just like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iiw5e1_bpM

[Anonymous No.15607243]

>>15607221
bezos is not involved with BO day to day and it shows in the progress
BO was started before SpaceX and they still haven't reached orbit, Bezos was much richer much earlier than Musk

> Could Musk make an amateur rocket all by himself with his current aerospace knowledge?
lol, that is not a very high bar really
a highschooler can do that after reading some books

> Or could he replace any of his engineers right now?
kind of a difficult question to answer
any? probably yes
every? no

[Anonymous No.15607249]

>>15607221
>but he was branded as some kind of genius

Explain what this means. *somebody* branded him a genius and now he's on the hook? The fuck?

[Anonymous No.15607252]

> irl Titan is a smoggy shithole where you can't see Saturn and the other moons

[Anonymous No.15607256]

>>15607252
We can fix that.

[Anonymous No.15607258]

https://youtu.be/3uxEBk7FhUU
remarkable bipartisan congress reveals boeing encountered an enormpus red cube the size of 10 olympic swimming pools

[Anonymous No.15607269]

>>15607211
two other words: ur dum

[Anonymous No.15607273]

>In 2003, a group of Boeing contractors working at the Vandenberg Space Force Base witnessed a red, square unidentified flying object about the size of a football field approaching the base from the ocean and hovering over one of the launch facilities for 45 seconds before flying away. The object returned later that evening with more aggressive behavior.

[Anonymous No.15607288]

>>15607273
wrong, vandenberg space force base did not exist in 2003

[Anonymous No.15607298]

>>15607288
yeah it did. and shut up alien

[Anonymous No.15607320]

>>15607258
>>15607273

[Anonymous No.15607352]

>>15607243
any maybe wrong, I mean could he replace some engineer and do their jobs? yes
but not the most specialized ones I don't think, not with time to learn the specifics (and this probably applies to a bunch of people, that is literally what people do, they go to uni to learn but you can do that just through books as well, its just more directed in uni)

[Anonymous No.15607382]

>>15607258
CUBIC KM?

[Anonymous No.15607405]

>>15607221
>Could Musk make an amateur rocket all by himself with his current aerospace knowledge?
Probably. The guy knows everything about rockets, from raw materials to structural significant parts to engine development.

But if he wanted to scale up, it would require a team for sure. Lot of machining and procurements of parts.

[Anonymous No.15607409]

>>15607249
Shit like all the redditors calling him the "irl Tony Stark" and that Simpsons episode for example

[Anonymous No.15607437]

>>15607409
If a redditor called me Jesus, how is that my fault?

[Anonymous No.15607453]

>>15607409
Wow and he's not tony stark? What the fuck is his problem?

[Anonymous No.15607639]

How much would each kg of Mars rock/regolith sample sell for once brought back? I can't help but think that a SpaceX sample return mission would sell the material to recoup costs

[Anonymous No.15607658]

>>15605460
>can only manufacture 10k per quarter
>still exceeds demand
>>15607211
10,000g shock loads dude lmao

[Anonymous No.15607669]

>>15605041
the water jet cutter also probably made the water passages convergent, to give the water a higher velocity, it's not shown though

[Anonymous No.15607678]

>>15607273
>about the size of a football field
I'm preplexed about this. This whole thing feels like a prank multiple presidents have been playing lol

[Anonymous No.15607679]

https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1685765800244686848

> In a press briefing before the Antares/Cygnus cargo launch to ISS Tuesday, Northrop Grumman's Kurt Eberly says the debut of the all-American Antares 330 rocket has slipped from 2024 to Summer 2025.

> The launch Tuesday is the final Antares with Russian engines & Ukrainian booster.

[Anonymous No.15607682]

>>15607639
the first sample would sell for whatever you asked for it. the second sample would be impossible to recuperate your costs on.

[Anonymous No.15607686]

>>15607221
>I doubt Bezos has any knowledge of rockets beyond the basics
probably knows more than Musk.

[Anonymous No.15607692]

>>15605460
Counterpoint: it's ugly.

[Anonymous No.15607695]

>>15607679
That'll be another couple Falcon-Cygnuses, and bad news for MLV's schedule. Unsurprising though, because Miranda hasn't been tested yet.

[Anonymous No.15607712]

>>15607695
I wouldn’t be surprised if Antares just ends up getting cancelled
Why do they even give a shit? Just buy rockets from SX and Firefly.

[Anonymous No.15607721]

>>15607682
I feel like if (((they))) allowed it, 1 ton of various types of samples could go for 40 mil. There's no other source and universities probably want that shit. Countries, even.

[Anonymous No.15607726]

Guys I'm thinking 100 people on starship is a joke and is an embarrassment to naval heritage. Elon needs to immediately start a bigger rocket when it's done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nr1AgIfajI

[Anonymous No.15607727]

>>15607721
what a weirdly low number. I'm certain you could get that for a kilogram of whatever crappy sample you offer

[Anonymous No.15607728]

>>15607712
Yeah I'm questioning that too. If the current plan is to switch from 330 to MLV as soon as the second stage is ready, then 330 would probably only fly a couple times.

[Anonymous No.15607761]

>>15607721
NASA sample return is a few dozen tubes full. How much is that, maybe a few kg? And the mission will cost how many billion?
So that's probably around 6-7 figures a gram to bring it back

[Anonymous No.15607988]

How do I get into launching model rockets?
I don’t want to drive 2hours round trip to a model rocketry launch site thats only open twice a month to launch a tiny estes kit, but I also dont want to be the dipshit launching rockets as an adult alone in a crowded public park. I can’t launch from my house because my yard is tiny and it would definetely land on my neighbors roofs.
Should I go to a state park and hope the rangers are cool with it?

[Anonymous No.15608010]

>>15606248
>>15607679
>>15607712
>>15606641
NG is going to let Firefly independently spend all their own r&d money on getting engines working, and then they will buy them out. I feel confident in this prediction, 85-86%

[Anonymous No.15608012]

Why isn't ammonia (NH3) used more commonly as rocket fuel?

It can be stored at room temperature (under pressure), and contains no carbon so it doesn't produce soot when burned fuel rich.

Specifically, I'm pondering the use of either ammonox (ammonia and liquid oxygen), or ammonia burned with nitrogen dioxide (NO2) oxidizer.

[Anonymous No.15608070]

>>15608012
Worse Isp than hydrolox, worse bulk density than kerolox. The X-15 used NH3/LOX.

[Anonymous No.15608090]

>>15608070

You could say the same about liquid methane.

[Anonymous No.15608124]

>>15608070
doesn't everything have worse specific impulse than hydrolox?

[Anonymous No.15608129]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
hotstaging ring on the road

[Anonymous No.15608138]

>>15608129
i dont think it will work

[Anonymous No.15608141]

>>15608129
so they can do a crush test on this? What about actually firing?

I mean I guess if you are going to risk losing a starship testing the hotstaging it might as well be in flight

[Anonymous No.15608165]

>>15608124
Yes, which is why every single NASA upper stage was hydrologgs for like 50 years.

[Anonymous No.15608173]

>>15606906
Men just want to build railguns

[Anonymous No.15608193]

>>15608129
In model rocketry if you don't have enough of muh vents the stages will pop apart prematurely. I find it humorous that issue is real even on a million times larger scale

[Anonymous No.15608256]

>>15607258
Once I finish my helicopter PPL I wonder if I can get a Giant Red Cube rating

[Anonymous No.15608261]

>>15608256
Sarcasm?

[Anonymous No.15608266]

>>15608261
my man how did you figure out how to use a keyboard

[Anonymous No.15608272]

>>15608124
Unless you go into esoteric stuff like LiFH tripropellant, yes.

[Anonymous No.15608338]

just shit my pants again

[Anonymous No.15608355]

>>15608338
-ULA board member

[Anonymous No.15608413]

>>15607726
100 people is spacious and you only need that few for long haul trips
you can get away with almost 1000 for airliner length trips of up to about 12 hours

[Anonymous No.15608459]

the superconductor is real

[Anonymous No.15608542]

>>15608459
source: your ass
but if so, railguns and ion engines

[Anonymous No.15608548]

>>15608542
We already have both of those things

[Anonymous No.15608550]

>>15608459
QI predicted this

[Anonymous No.15608553]

>>15608548
ones where the power density actually makes sense for space applications, I mean

[Anonymous No.15608610]

>>15608459
Not only was it proven false, it was proven antipossible.

[Anonymous No.15608611]

>>15606947
TANSTAAFL soon bros

[Anonymous No.15608614]

Bros I was a believer in the water cooled plate from the very start but not gonna lie I think this hot staging ring is gonna collapse, maybe even before liftoff.

[Anonymous No.15608626]

>>15608614
They're doing a structural test to find out you hyper midwit.

[Anonymous No.15608648]

>>15608626
Can I get a quick rundown on why they're insisting of doing meme staging instead of pneumatic or pyrotechnic staging like everyone else has been doing for decades

[Anonymous No.15608662]

spin launched superconductors

[Anonymous No.15608673]

>>15608648
Because it's based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.15608677]

>>15608129
how is it going to work?

[Anonymous No.15608680]

>>15608677
the hot staging or the test article?

[Anonymous No.15608697]

>>15608680
the ring

[Anonymous No.15608705]

>>15608697
It lets the raptor exhaust escape while the ship is still on top igniting its engines.
there's a steel shield between the dome and this ring you can sort of see it in the daytime pictures.

[Anonymous No.15608708]

>>15608648
>pyrotechnic
less rapidly reusable (requires multi-day rearming and safety checks after each launch) than even hot staging - assuming they work out a good long-life thermal system on the booster top
and really, it's only 3 sea level raptors and 3-6 RVacs in really thin atmosphere so the thermals are going to be tens of times less damaging than the 33 booster engines at sea level.
>pneumatic
a fully fueled starship weighs more than most entire rockets, if pneumatic staging was possible then you'd see ground infrastructure for other smaller rockets that pneumatically launched them for an extra 50m/s

my schizo theory is they'll actually go back to the flip once they have a few orbital tests under their belt

[Anonymous No.15608716]

>>15606918
Sadly, any space elevator that could be constructed would be an obvious target for anyone who wanted to start shit. Wish we could build one, though.

[Anonymous No.15608719]

>>15608708
>if pneumatic staging was possible then you'd see ground infrastructure for other smaller rockets that pneumatically launched them for an extra 50m/s
of course it's possible, you just need to push slowly all you have to overcome is inertia you don't need 1200 tons of force.
apparently they'd just rather do this.

[Anonymous No.15608726]

3x merlin-meth methalox engines fed from header tanks with flush nozzels should provide enough ullage
According to my calculations an anon itt will come up with a working solution for me.

[Anonymous No.15608775]

https://youtu.be/A-X1PhR1D5Y?t=64

[Anonymous No.15608791]

>>15607988
>Pour solid fuel rockets in your garage (make them big)
>Buy a boat and launch from international waters

[Anonymous No.15608796]

>>15607988
Just go somewhere nobody will even notice.
You're not trying to do super high powered motors so any country on earth has a place like that an hour driving from even the biggest city.

[Anonymous No.15608800]

>>15608796
like a big enough forest clearing or plains.
the earth is so big it really shouldn't be hard to find a place.

[Anonymous No.15608851]

>>15608012
because you might as well use hydrazine which is basically super-ammonia
more dense
more energetic
more toxic but at the amounts we're talking about you would not be any less dead if it spilled in your face

[Anonymous No.15608875]

>>15607726
If it were by me i would use that rocket to send 1000 people to LEO or the Moon.

[Anonymous No.15608913]

I saw thunderf00t debunked superconductors

[Anonymous No.15608916]

>>15608913
Good for you. Go make a thread about it.

[Anonymous No.15608922]

and don't return

[Anonymous No.15608998]

>>15608913
> I'm DEBOOONKING

[Anonymous No.15609004]

>>15608916
do you have any proof otherwise? if no you can shut up now

[Anonymous No.15609009]

https://www.space.com/uk-spaceport-rocket-launches-prepare-bronze-age-find

SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER

[Anonymous No.15609025]

>>15608719
gravity losses; faster staging=better
but I don't really believe the 'hot staging gets you 10% better perf.' quote from elon, unless that's in relation to the flip maneuver

the biggest issue with my earlier argument is that the staging speed isn't constrained by starship's mass - at staging the booster is down to 5% fuel or less so it's actually the lighter half of the system. Honestly considering that, pneumatic staging might be the better option. Maybe the hot staging really IS going to be an abort mode, and they want to actually crew-rate starship launches eventually

[Anonymous No.15609026]

>>15607221
He met Mueller and Koenigsmann at an amateur rocket event.

[Anonymous No.15609064]

>>15609025
>and they want to actually crew-rate starship launches eventually
this is fact not speculation.
just because faggots dont believe it doesnt mean its true.
starship is fundamentally made for human spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.15609078]

>>15609025
Hot staging doesn't have moving parts.
If the steel can deal with the heat then its the superior more reusable solution.
Also it was faster to build.

[Anonymous No.15609082]

>>15609078
you would still have clamps though?

[Anonymous No.15609084]

>>15609082
I mean either way yeah. They have those already.

[Anonymous No.15609092]

>>15609082
>>15609084
Theoretically you could open the clamps at launch.
Once the ship is fully loaded and at 1.5g there's no way they are coming apart.

[Anonymous No.15609095]

>>15605643
If it's so simple, you surely can make it at home, can't you?

[Anonymous No.15609097]

>>15609095
You can make YCBO at home too.

[Anonymous No.15609108]

so why aren't you making a amateur liquid rocket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iiw5e1_bpM

[Anonymous No.15609114]

[Anonymous No.15609120]

>>15609108
amateur rockets are gay

[Anonymous No.15609123]

>>15609108
SEGS?

[Anonymous No.15609126]

This poster >>15609120 is a bigger homosexual than this >>15609123 poster

[Anonymous No.15609208]

>>15609126
True

[Anonymous No.15609220]

>>15609126
see
>>15605695

[Anonymous No.15609261]

I've developed a strong attraction towards girls who work in the space industry.

[Anonymous No.15609289]

>>15609261
This will only bring you suffering and pain

[Anonymous No.15609312]

>>15609261
>rocketlab
disgusting

[Anonymous No.15609374]

>>15607150
Stupid’s not really the word.
Ignorant would be more apt.
Perhaps stupid if in their ignorance/arrogance they think they know everything.
But yes I can agree that they are ultimately responsible for themselves and their lack of knowledge.

[Anonymous No.15609399]

[Anonymous No.15609419]

ESA have posted some commissioning images from Euclid. The field of view of both visible and infrared cameras is 0.57 square degrees, about 180 to 280 times larger than Hubble's field of view (depends on which camera).

https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Euclid/Euclid_test_images_tease_of_riches_to_come

[Anonymous No.15609424]

>>15609419
Here is the near infrared image. Higher res in the link.

[Anonymous No.15609438]

>>15609419
>>15609424
And a single grism image. This is still taken with the near infrared instrument but a dispersing element is added instead of a filter, to take spectra of all the objects in the field. With this mode Euclid will measure 10s of millions of galaxies across about 1/3rd of the sky, alongside it's high resolution images.

[Anonymous No.15609442]

[Anonymous No.15609447]

[Anonymous No.15609554]

>>15609108
which propellants will he be using

[Anonymous No.15609566]

>>15608851

Ammonia is toxic but not in exposures to tiny amounts.

Hydrazine is extremely carcinogenic which is why it's too dangerous to use as fuel.

Ammonia would unironically make excellent carbon free rocket fuel.

[Anonymous No.15609580]

DARPA, NASA select Lockheed Martin to make nuclear power engines for deep space mission: https://newatlas.com/space/darpa-lockheed-martin-build-nuclear-deep-space-rocket

In other words, the real scientists don't believe in Starship. It was always going to be SLS to build Mars cycler, powered by Project Orion type engines.

[Anonymous No.15609630]

>>15609554
LOX Ethanol

[Anonymous No.15609633]

Solvated electron rocket fuel

[Anonymous No.15609636]

>>15609633
assuming it doesn’t blow up your rocket, would you get any extra performance out of electron-saturated ammonia (versus just using regular ammonia?) I feel like you’re adding so much extra energy for what is literally negligible mass

https://youtu.be/tYjQXjUUvwY

[Anonymous No.15609643]

https://www.space.com/moon-mining-gains-momentum

[Anonymous No.15609673]

[Anonymous No.15609682]

>>15609633
You know who is an expert in solvated electrons?

[Anonymous No.15609751]

>>15609580
stfu thundefaggot

[Anonymous No.15609781]

>>15609751
Why seething.
Nuclear is great

[Anonymous No.15609784]

>>15609399
is this AI

[Anonymous No.15609795]

>>15609781
>In other words, the real scientists don't believe in Starship
>real scientists
Imagine trashing a technology that should had been used 50 years

[Anonymous No.15609797]

We might end up seeing an Artemis III landing during Trump’s presidency holy shit lol

[Anonymous No.15609802]

>>15609797
no.

[Anonymous No.15609814]

>>15609797
kek
>>15609802
Look at this fucking nonce lmao

[Anonymous No.15609816]

>>15609797
Yeah in his 3rd term

[Anonymous No.15609884]

>>15609797
>Trump calling to the lunar surface while astronauts are posing with the flag in front of Starship
kek

[Anonymous No.15609895]

I want spacex to fail.
just once, in some minor way. like dropping a 12 reuse booster in the ocean during a starlink launch no one cares about.
even if it only happens the one time and then never again, I think it would bring a lot of excitement back to falcon launches

[Anonymous No.15609914]

>>15609895
how about a 1st stage transport truck being t-boned?

[Anonymous No.15609926]

>>15609895
mentally ill always catering to normgroids.
it doesnt matter how many people care

[Anonymous No.15609940]

>>15609895
You already get that with Starship IFT. Not a failure but not a full success either

[Anonymous No.15609953]

>>15609940
because of that normies are saying "I can't believe we're trusting government payloads with Musk's unreliable rockets'. Seen that like a dozen times now

[Anonymous No.15609964]

>>15609580
Nothing about the DRACO demo suggests NASA is questioning Starship.

[Anonymous No.15609967]

>>15609953
Yeah I know. It’s kind of interesting to see that IFT-2 also has a high chance of failing, especially with the new hot staging ring.
It would be sad to see the vehicle crumple at Max Q or something - worse than IFT-1

[Anonymous No.15609973]

>>15609682
I’ve seen his video and it is unironically interesting. He pumps himself up way too much though, like he singlehandedly wrote the paper lol.
It’s the one thundertoe video I would suggest people watch

[Anonymous No.15609979]

>>15609953
>because of that normies are saying
>>15609926

[Anonymous No.15609995]

>>15609967
>IFT-2 also has a high chance of failing

[Anonymous No.15610019]

>>15609995
Yes it does. We have no idea
1) How the steel plate will do
2) Will Raptors perform better
3) How reliable electric TVC is
4) Whether the hot stage ring can survive max Q
5) How the stack survives late-first stage ascent (4-5 g’s of acceleration)
6) Whether hot staging will work without shredding the booster
7) The reliability of Raptors in the Starship burn to orbit
And that’s not counting recovery and reuse of both B9 and S25

[Anonymous No.15610029]

https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1686050762470612992

[Anonymous No.15610033]

>>15610029
> The test article at the Massey’s testing site is labelled the “Hot Stage Load Head”, and will be used to qualify the interstage against the aerodynamic forces it will experience during flight. There are 3 main components to this. (2/12)

[Anonymous No.15610035]

>>15609884
You think they're going to let him call do the call from jail?

[Anonymous No.15610037]

>>15610019
That is some serious straw grasping, including B9/S25 reuse is just the cherry on top.

[Anonymous No.15610038]

>>15610033
https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1686050775447879681

[Anonymous No.15610041]

>>15610038
https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1686050779222753282

[Anonymous No.15610046]

>>15610033
>>15610029
Note that the slats in the vents are actually triangles and beefy.

[Anonymous No.15610047]

>>15610041
https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1686050783152816139

[Anonymous No.15610050]

>>15610047

[Anonymous No.15610052]

>>15610050

[Anonymous No.15610057]

>>15610052
> When they are eventually assembled on the Can Crusher stand, we’ll be looking at something like this. We can only hope that it passes testing successfully, and maybe we’ll see one of these integrated with Booster 9 in the not-too-distant future. (12/12)

[Anonymous No.15610062]

>>15610029
>>15610033
>>15610038
>>15610041
>>15610047
>>15610050
>>15610052
>>15610057
Is this actually going to work?

[Anonymous No.15610066]

>>15610062
I don't see why not, looks pretty beefy

[Anonymous No.15610067]

>>15610062
of course. Why wouldn't it?

[Anonymous No.15610069]

>>15610062

[Anonymous No.15610086]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1686050455468621831

I think he went to Chamath Palihapitiya wedding during the weekend in Italy and has been on some binge

[Anonymous No.15610091]

>>15610062
guess we'll find out with the tests

[Anonymous No.15610106]

>>15610019
>recovery and reuse of both B9 and S25
That would be really amazing since they won't even try a landing until after they get the booster to "land" on water first. Even maximum success would have S25 try to land on the ocean near Hawaii. Unless by "recovery" you mean a salvage ship.
>How reliable electric TVC is
Isn't this going to be the last one still using hydraulic control, or was that B8?

[Anonymous No.15610114]

they won't bother catching a booster until they stop making significant changes booster to booster. Otherwise it's just a risk for the tower that isn't needed, they can simulate a catch at sea

[Anonymous No.15610131]

>>15608124
yes but most of them have much much better density which makes the trade off worth it.

[Anonymous No.15610135]

>>15610062
they can put it in a hydraulic press and test it

[Anonymous No.15610142]

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4628/1

[Anonymous No.15610146]

>>15610142
china services china. You don't see western companies buying slots on Chinese rockets. And china is shrinking. So yes, therefore Chinese launch market will shrink.

[Anonymous No.15610151]

>>15610106
B9 is electric, S25 is the last booster that uses hydraulic

[Anonymous No.15610152]

>>15610142
The Space Power Index is based on:
> Cumulative orbital launches
> Deep space orbital launches
> Scientific achievements
> Military capabilities

> This index may seem subjective, and it is. Great power status is inherently subjective. It depends on whether the rest of the international systems considers your country as a great power.

[Anonymous No.15610156]

>>15610151
last ship*

[Anonymous No.15610179]

>>15610152
Only USA and Japan seem to be on the rise on this Index which is a bit surprising
I guess SpaceX has just grown so quickly that relatively everything else seems to be stagnant or decreasing even with China ramping up its activities

>>15610146
China shrinking might affect their Economy, but I would think both China and India will start getting higher up as they ramp up their activities

[Anonymous No.15610246]

>>15610152
USA USA USA

[Anonymous No.15610252]

often imitated, never duplicated

[Anonymous No.15610260]

>>15610252
Arca building incredible innovative planes

[Anonymous No.15610273]

>>15610035
What?

[Anonymous No.15610279]

>>15610252
hold on, is this a steam powered ASAT rocket?

[Anonymous No.15610286]

>>15610152
It’s crazy that Russia was ahead even during the Apollo program, and up into the 90s

[Anonymous No.15610303]

>>15610252
Arca's stuff is always something else

[Anonymous No.15610307]

>>15610286
Yeah it's crazy what happens when someone pulls shit out of their ass and graph them.

[Anonymous No.15610312]

>>15610152
>>15610146
>>15610142
China and Russia are two countries who fucked up their chance of being a viable alternative to “the west” by being too aggressive to their neighbors

[Anonymous No.15610315]

>>15610307
>>15610286
the index is partly based on just number of cumulative launches, if pic related is accurate, soviets/russia having larger relative power is not that surprising

https://nara.getarchive.net/media/a-graph-comparing-the-number-of-us-and-soviet-space-launches-between-1960-and-69dd9b

[Anonymous No.15610323]

https://twitter.com/artemis360_moon/status/1686072605814542336

[Anonymous No.15610327]

>>15610312
China is extremely strong

[Anonymous No.15610333]

>>15610323
I thought A3 was fast tracked to EUS

[Anonymous No.15610335]

>>15610323
The last DCSS and the last Delta stage to fly, ever

[Anonymous No.15610340]

>>15610323
Tick tock, Musk

[Anonymous No.15610348]

>>15610333
If anything Artemis IV will be delayed because of EUS delays and the new launch tower.

[Anonymous No.15610357]

Artemis 3 cant happen before 2030 thanks to Starship

[Anonymous No.15610368]

>>15610348
>>15610357
Heh yeah, well ULA blowing up a brand new Centaur V leads me to believe Boeing isn’t going to get this shit out of the factory without some serious teething issues. EUS will probably end up being way more of a bottleneck than HLS

[Anonymous No.15610387]

>>15610368
maybe boeing will soft cancel EUS just like starliner

[Anonymous No.15610488]

>>15610387
what's the furthest along an orbital rocket got in development before it got canceled?

[Anonymous No.15610494]

>>15609973
didnt he debunk starlink? something about how the antenna cant work in sunlight

[Anonymous No.15610505]

>>15610488
depends how you define "in development"
does buran count? N1?

[Anonymous No.15610562]

>>15610368
The Centaur V test article was hardly 'new' by the time the crack in the tank formed.

[Anonymous No.15610641]

>>15610488
We’ll have to see how far Starship gets

[Anonymous No.15610645]

>>15610505
BURAN ugh don’t even bring it up, I weep every week about her fate
>>15610494
Yes he’s an idiot/grifter who makes money off of “calling out” musk, and he’s wrong about so many things. I’m not sure if he’s self-aware and just grifting his idiot audience or if he actually believes what he says.
Either way you should try to separate “art from artist” and watch his solvated electrons video. It’s interesting. And it’s an experiment that’s actually kind of hard to find videos/papers of

[Anonymous No.15610647]

>>15610505
Hard to beat Buran at that. All those prototypes, and it even flew once unmanned (albeit without life systems), that's as far as you can go without actually making it (a manned mission) and Energia in some ways is wor.. well, N1 too.. fucking russians, stick with one thing!

[Anonymous No.15610655]

>>15610647
Energia flew twice actually, and it has even more TLI power than N1. Such a cool fucking rocket

[Anonymous No.15610658]

>>15610655
Before you say anything yes I realized I read your post wrong, I got confused between energia and buran. I’m still keeping my post up though because the N1 comparison is interesting

[Anonymous No.15610662]

https://planetocracy.substack.com/p/phil-mason-does-not-understand-space

thunderfoot is a turbofaggot, this should be obvious just watching his videos, but if you are as clueless (or more clueless), then read this
this post is 2 years old now and I'm pretty sure thunderhomo has made like 20 videos about musk after that, but even when this was written there were a bunch

[Anonymous No.15610671]

>>15610655
It's my favourite, I love all the whacky variations, designs and mission profiles they had designed for it. It's just depressing they did all that and its only two missions were the Buran launch (with some non-trivial issues like the TPSes shaking off during ascent) and the Polyus disaster. I'd say it depends if you consider it being worse never having managed to launch, or having done so achieving nothing.

[Anonymous No.15610703]

energaya :^)

[Anonymous No.15610725]

>>15610505
Buran isn't a rocket, it was a payload Energia could carry.

[Anonymous No.15610744]

>>15610725
Energia was a spaceplane

[Anonymous No.15610813]

Staging

>>15610812
>>15610812
>>15610812

[Anonymous No.15610845]

>>15609566
which part of SHIT SPECIFIC IMPULSE did you not understand

[Anonymous No.15610914]

>>15610671
No I’m glad it launched. Same with the N1. It adds credibility to them being considered “real” rockets (in contrast to something like Ares V which never flew)