/sfg/ - Spaceflight General

[Anonymous No.15522827]

Hot Stage Edition

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[Anonymous No.15522831]

>>15522827
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

[Anonymous No.15522835]

The N1ification continues.

[Anonymous No.15522841]

>>15522827
>>15522835
Umm actually SpaceX stole this technology from the Soviets (who did it way better in 1957)

[Anonymous No.15522893]

Trappist-1 B: DEAD
Trappist-1 C: DEAD

[Anonymous No.15522900]

>>15522827
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. You are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive.

[Anonymous No.15522908]

>>15522900
The earth IS flat and space IS a lie, but your pic only makes me think one thing : that's fucking awesome.
Not the the fake and gay space they'll show to the goylems, but how the tech will be repurposed to get into video game worlds.

[Anonymous No.15522909]

Berger is quiet, are we in spaceflight winter again? What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.15522914]

THE EARTH IS GAY

[Anonymous No.15522919]

>>15522914
Nah that's just some of the biomass on its surface

[Anonymous No.15522925]

>>15522900
why does the sun sink below the horizon then

[Anonymous No.15522927]

>>15522909
berger busy spelunking inside his ass to find his next scoop

[Anonymous No.15522977]

I have an IT a level is there anything I can do to end up having a career in space flight?

[Anonymous No.15523066]

>>15522925
No clue but the earth is flat.

[Anonymous No.15523069]

>>15523066
can't be, else it'd be daytime/nighttime for everybody at once

[Anonymous No.15523081]

>>15523069
The Earth isn't flat because people say goodnight sfg when it's day time here.

[Anonymous No.15523092]

>>15523081
Those people are CIA agents.

[Anonymous No.15523093]

>>15523066
So does that mean if you drove over there the Sun would set directly onto your head? You just proved there are clouds both in front of and behind the Sun, so there must be a place where it goes directly into the ground, possibly into a large hole.

[Anonymous No.15523100]

>>15522977
if you can't figure it out you're ngmi

[Anonymous No.15523104]

(Mars, America)

[Anonymous No.15523107]

>>15522977
get an IT job at Nasa and then work your way onto other things
https://www.nasa.gov/offices/ocio/home/index.html

[Anonymous No.15523109]

Goodnight /sfg/

[Anonymous No.15523130]

>>15523092
do you think chinese people get sick of working third shift

[Anonymous No.15523135]

So the big guy gets 10% from the hot staging.

[Anonymous No.15523150]

>ashley vance is a guy
news to me
>naming your son ashley

>they should have hot fired the full stack
they did - AND they launched it too
>seething

[Anonymous No.15523155]

>>15523150
>Ashlee
>Ash- guys name
>Lee- Guys name

[Anonymous No.15523157]

>>15523155
ur mum leys me put it in her ash

[Anonymous No.15523171]

It’s not the same

[Anonymous No.15523172]

>>15523150
Again: Ashley, Meredith, Cameron, Kelly, Aubrey, Dana, and Jesse are all traditionally boys names.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gbtm-93oqE

[Anonymous No.15523192]

>>15523172
Okay whatever you say "Brittney"

[Anonymous No.15523206]

[Anonymous No.15523208]

How will the Oceangate disaster affect the space tourism industry?

[Anonymous No.15523211]

I think the next Starship flight is going to be successful

[Anonymous No.15523212]

>>15523208
Probably not at all.

[Anonymous No.15523221]

>>15523212
Somewhat funny how flying to space is probably safer than going down on that death trap.

[Anonymous No.15523227]

>>15523208
tbdesu if I had millions to blow on a deathtrip I'd pick space without hesitation, I'd much rather see the Earth and stars from orbit before dying than a crushing black abyss and some rusting meme boat
bonus points because I can laugh at /x/ as I burn in a blaze of glory during a critical reentry failure

[Anonymous No.15523235]

>>15523171
>>15523206
How much more efficient will this be now that they don't have to waste a bunch of time gliding unpowered in a big spin?

[Anonymous No.15523241]

>TFW there will never be a spin-n-yeet staging

[Anonymous No.15523243]

Would Booster 7 have made it if the HPUs didn’t fail? How does a HPU even explode?

[Anonymous No.15523246]

>>15523243
no it was going too slow at stage

[Anonymous No.15523302]

>>15522435
I assumed by tiles (and also with the "too" in "are they going to tile the dome, too") you were referring to reusable ones like on Starship. Ablative ones would probably be more resistant, but they'd still be ablative and I don't know how they fare in high velocity and pressure rocket exhaust, either. That stuff can excavate craters under the launch mount. Maybe they just need to put thicker steel in.

>>15522835
>Starship becomes more and more like the Shuttle
>Super Heavy becomes more and more like N1
Carcinisation of spaceflight

>>15523235
Elon says 10% more payload. I kind of doubted it just from staging, but I forgot the autistic spin thing so it might actually check out.

>>15523243
It was too slow and low due to all the lost engines, maybe would've been fine if they throttled up but might still not have been enough thrust and who knows if not throttling up was an engine preservation measure, they could've lost even more.
Insufficient engine heat/air pressure shielding maybe, or damage from launch pad debris? There were huge chunks of concrete blown right beside the rocket, not impossible some of them hit the HPUs or their shielding.

[Anonymous No.15523325]

For all mankind season 4 leaks

https://twitter.com/fam_news_/status/1672976973117952001?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

[Anonymous No.15523327]

>>15523325
It's "for all Womankind", chud

[Anonymous No.15523332]

>>15523325
This could be the season /sfg/ has been waiting for. this is HUGE

[Anonymous No.15523344]

when the hell's vulcan gonna launch; will it even fly this year? the centaur fart requires a tank dome redesign and knowing oldspace they could legitimately stretch that out 6+mo.

[Anonymous No.15523348]

>>15523325
Today I will remind them

[Anonymous No.15523349]

>>15523344
>6+mo
Vulcan wont launch until 2025 due to this mishap

[Anonymous No.15523362]

>>15523344
They have to send the rocket back to Alabama by boat so it will take weeks to even get there.

[Anonymous No.15523370]

>>15522925
It doesn't sink.
You can easily simulate the sun "sinking" using a flat table, a coin, and a video camera able to zoom.
Or alternatively, you can prove flat tables are oblate spheroids.

[Anonymous No.15523387]

>>15523325
I hesitate to watch it again due to sheer amount of marxist propaganda in the series.

[Anonymous No.15523392]

>>15523325

[Anonymous No.15523402]

>SCOOP: @SpaceX investors increasingly say they expect an IPO of its @Starlink subsidiary this year so @elonmusk can monetize some of his holdings to pay for @Twitter expansion etc., without selling more @Tesla stock. Musk owns 50% of SpaceX. More 345pm w @LizClaman @FoxBusiness
Lmfao you thought Starlink would pay for Mars? Gotta pay down that Twitter debt AND THEN SOME AHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.15523406]

>>15523243
>Would Booster 7 have made it if the HPUs didn’t fail?

It would have made it to the flip stage separation which may have failed anyway given that SpaceX has moved to hot staging.

[Anonymous No.15523409]

[Anonymous No.15523411]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QobU0yBLoBs

[Anonymous No.15523419]

[Anonymous No.15523424]

>>15523409
looks simple, cheap, and mass manufacturable. this could kill elon and spacex

[Anonymous No.15523428]

>>15523409
where is the fuel

[Anonymous No.15523434]

>>15523428
Inside the nested torii

[Anonymous No.15523452]

>>15522977
IT fags are not real engineers and will never get recognized outside silicon valley.

[Anonymous No.15523455]

>>15523409
It's not that easy in fuel-linestry

[Anonymous No.15523457]

>>15523171
>>15523206
how it should have been all along

[Anonymous No.15523467]

[Anonymous No.15523473]

I just had a great branding rights idea for the first orbital spinhab.
>Ford Torus

[Anonymous No.15523494]

>>15523467
Functional dress flight suits are peak comfy

[Anonymous No.15523508]

>>15523409
Does this even work in kerbal

[Anonymous No.15523515]

>>15523348
jesus christ

[Anonymous No.15523524]

>>15523171
I feel sorry for the midgets piloting the booster

[Anonymous No.15523526]

How many of you are atleast Tripoli Level 1 certified?

[Anonymous No.15523529]

>>15523206
finally they listened to me and added speed holes

[Anonymous No.15523554]

>>15523508
no, this sort of toroidal thing is one of the few things that won't work in KSP due to the way parts are attached and modeled
it's kind of like asparagus staging

[Anonymous No.15523562]

>>15523325
kill yourself, faggot
your gay TV show is offtopic
go be a genderqueer differently abled transnigger in Hell

[Anonymous No.15523651]

>>15523562
Both you and that poster should kill yourselves.

[Anonymous No.15523681]

I wonder if the people working on the Perseverance samples really thought they would ever return to Earth

[Anonymous No.15523696]

https://twitter.com/mcrs987/status/1673048849202683904

Speculation about Starship hot staging

[Anonymous No.15523710]

>>15523325
Nice, looks like Dev is still around. Waiting for the next season later this year.

[Anonymous No.15523719]

>>15523696
people that write twitter threads like this are mentally ill

[Anonymous No.15523720]

>>15523696
It would explain this section (which looks much more structurally sound than the previously seen slatted ring).

[Anonymous No.15523722]

How will hot staging impact reuse?

[Anonymous No.15523731]

>>15523722
It shouldn't effect it at all unless SpaceX adds an ablative layer to the top of the Boosters which would need to get replaced every so many flights.

[Anonymous No.15523732]

>>15523722
Starship needs to get to orbit before they can think about reuse

[Anonymous No.15523736]

musk starship spaces when?

[Anonymous No.15523740]

so the last flight test was like 2 month ago or something.
Do we have a confirmed launch window or at least an estimate or something when they're gonna try the next time?
or is starship currently at sls levels of efficiency with only a single launch every other year being possible?

[Anonymous No.15523746]

>>15523740
Two more weeks, you musk cumrag

[Anonymous No.15523753]

>>15523740
you can safely expect a second attempt sometime next year

[Anonymous No.15523761]

>>15523736
two weeks

[Anonymous No.15523765]

>>15523740
~6 weeks Musk said.

4/20 is when test flight happened
Musk said in "2-3 months" (8-12 weeks) next flight
We're 2 months into it, and its not "6 weeks" which is 1 month + 2 weeks

If it hits the 6week period, it will be ~14 weeks vs the initial 12 week, ~16 percent increase

[Anonymous No.15523782]

https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1672996488991973378

> Production Diagram #7 | 25th June, 2023 | "Booster 12 really is moving fast, isn't it?"

[Anonymous No.15523784]

>>15523765
if you listen closely, it's 6 weeks until the pad upgrades are complete. musk said nothing about how long the booster upgrades/testing will happen.

[Anonymous No.15523785]

>>15523782

[Anonymous No.15523805]

>>15523370
>You can easily simulate the sun "sinking" using a flat table, a coin, and a video camera able to zoom.
>Or alternatively, you can prove flat tables are oblate spheroids.
Why see /sci etc - retarded behind any hope - arguments that apply to both sides as one for their own?

[Anonymous No.15523830]

what is blue origin even doing

[Anonymous No.15523839]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EavGNLZ24gw

[Anonymous No.15523844]

>>15523830
yeah

[Anonymous No.15523847]

>>15523830
the flyovers have spotted some things, but they are pretty secretive
the vid below had some shit about BO, but to be frank I listened to it with 2x speed and kind of zoned out when they brought BO up
Relativity has started doing something in the cape I guess as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4zWClpSyBs

[Anonymous No.15523848]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NphmGt9LBU

[Anonymous No.15523858]

>>15523847
seems like they're still at the "building SN1" stage. So we can probably expect New Glenn to fly in 2026/7

[Anonymous No.15523864]

>People think starship is launching again this year
lol
LMAO even

[Anonymous No.15523867]

https://spacenews.com/anduril-acquires-solid-rocket-motor-manufacturer-adranos/

Anduril is a company founded by Palmer Lucky, previously founded Oculus VR, which got acquired by Facebook (Meta). Anduril is primarily making military drones I think.

[Anonymous No.15523869]

>>15523325
no thanks

[Anonymous No.15523885]

>>15523864
Yeah it will, and I'm definitely not betting against it launching a third time this year

[Anonymous No.15523895]

>>15523885
Welcome newfrend

[Anonymous No.15523899]

>>15523864
Personally I am betting on Q2 2024

[Anonymous No.15523900]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EavGNLZ24gw

[Anonymous No.15523926]

>>15523867
>Palmer Lucky
From anime to games to virtual reality to drone/missiles

[Anonymous No.15523928]

>>15523864
It will launch two more times this year. I will it into existence.

[Anonymous No.15523930]

>>15523928
>>15523864
September
October
November
December

[Anonymous No.15523934]

>>15523895
Been following SpaceX since the 2000s, I'm confident.

[Anonymous No.15523943]

>>15523928
You will what?

[Anonymous No.15523952]

>>15523943
IT

[Anonymous No.15523962]

>>15523943
It's like saying "I order it" or "I decree it".

[Anonymous No.15523964]

>>15523943
Low IQ poster cant manifest

[Anonymous No.15523968]

>>15523964
>low iq poster fails to detect ironic low iq post revealing himself to be low iq

[Anonymous No.15523971]

RFK Junior: Good For Spaceflight?

[Anonymous No.15523974]

>>15523971
no he's a retard

[Anonymous No.15523975]

>>15523974
Which candidate is the least bad for funding space?

[Anonymous No.15523976]

>>15523971
I don’t know any specifics, but he’s a conspiracy-prone environmentalist who hates corporations so probably not

[Anonymous No.15523979]

>>15523975
DeSantis is probably a safe bet

[Anonymous No.15523980]

>>15523325
What happened to the kid that was born on Mars last season? She would be about 12 now. I hope she is virulently anti-earther

[Anonymous No.15523982]

>>15523975
Trump due to past performance
>>15523979
Sure he's governor of Florida, but has he made any meaningful contributions to spaceflight? Supported newspace? Visited any launches? Seems like he has just says a few nice things, but I havent seen any action

[Anonymous No.15523983]

>>15523206
Was a few pneumatic pistons kicking the second stage off the boosters not viable?

[Anonymous No.15523984]

wait until spacenews does its candidate space stance big article. in the past they've gotten comments from the people running

[Anonymous No.15523986]

Oh great it's election cycle time again

[Anonymous No.15523988]

>>15523983
we were too dumb

[Anonymous No.15523991]

>>15523984
are those written by Foust? i dont remember reading any

[Anonymous No.15523998]

>>15523983
Starship is a lot heavier than the Falcon upper stage, so it's possible they decided hot staging was a more viable separation method than pistons and/or ullage thrusters.

[Anonymous No.15524006]

>>15523986
This happens everytime they get their panties in a bunch on Twatter. Very annoying since all candidates are equally uninterested so who gives a fuck.

[Anonymous No.15524021]

>>15523325
Wow! Looks like shit!

[Anonymous No.15524023]

>>15524021
Looks pretty good actually unless you're sexist/racist

[Anonymous No.15524024]

>>15524023
So... looks like shit

[Anonymous No.15524026]

>>15524023
Why is it so dark

[Anonymous No.15524039]

By area, is Starbase the busiest location construction site on earth?

[Anonymous No.15524054]

>>15524026
Darkening the scene hides bad CGI

[Anonymous No.15524057]

>>15524026
blue filter scenes are earthers in space, brown filter on mars (with blacks onscreen)

[Anonymous No.15524058]

>>15524023
I am racist and sexist so it looks like shit

[Anonymous No.15524061]

>>15524026
affirmative action

[Anonymous No.15524068]

>>15524039
Retards actually believe this

[Anonymous No.15524075]

>>15524039
You really think it's more busy than a 50 story skyscraper?

[Anonymous No.15524078]

>>15523982
all Florida politicians are good for spaceflight
see: High Senator Administrator Ballast

[Anonymous No.15524083]

>>15523982
He’s friendly with Elon, which is objectively good for spaceflight because SpaceX is objectively the best contractor.

[Anonymous No.15524087]

[Anonymous No.15524093]

>>15523971
Moon landing happened under his watch. So history could rhyme.
>>15523979
Desantis is probably good bet for space as well, due to support for Florida and Texas.

Both Desantis/RFK would be positive for SpaceX, DeSantis more so.

[Anonymous No.15524099]

>>15523983
>>15523998
Starship is more than twice as heavy as an entire Falcon 9.

[Anonymous No.15524104]

RVG and CSI Starbase are my go-to for Starbase info. NSF, WAI and others stuff so much filler into an episode i autisticly skip over the relevant bits.

You do not need to explain "WHY IS STARSHIP MADE OF STAINLESS STEEL" or "WHAT DO WE MEAN ABOUT WITH FULL-RE-USABILITY" every fucking video, jfc.

[Anonymous No.15524106]

>>15524104
nsf exists so I can have 24/7 livestream feeds of the most interesting parts of starbase.

[Anonymous No.15524117]

>>15524093
Apollo 11 happened under Nixon so for it to rhyme we need a weirdo outsider ie Trump

[Anonymous No.15524130]

>>15524117
CIA assassinated him.

The documents are still classified after 50 years LMAO

[Anonymous No.15524132]

>>15524130
>him
Nixon or Trump?

[Anonymous No.15524133]

[Anonymous No.15524134]

>>15524132
Both

[Anonymous No.15524141]

>>15524133
?

[Anonymous No.15524159]

>>15523562
This

[Anonymous No.15524167]

>>15523867
Whats the theoretical max ISP of a lithium aluminum solid rocket motor

[Anonymous No.15524174]

>>15524134
>Both
From your lips to Satan's ears, anon.

[Anonymous No.15524175]

>>15524167
350

[Anonymous No.15524178]

>>15524023
There was a time I would have taken that as a black mark against my character. Nowadays, knowing the character of the people who say such things, I take it as a compliment.

[Anonymous No.15524193]

>>15524178
Remember, anon, your enemies being garbage doesn't mean you aren't also garbage.

[Anonymous No.15524199]

>>15524193
No, but your enemies saying you're garbage because you don't believe in the things they believe in is a starting point. It's certainly not an ending point, otherwise you end up with pants on head retarded positions like supporting Russia (lol), but when it comes to how society should be managed and what justice looks like, being their enemies is a good start.

[Anonymous No.15524207]

I bet spacex has a sick nasty payload optimization calculator

[Anonymous No.15524208]

>>15523526
I don't play safe with big rockets. I make them in my garage; sometimes they fly in the right direction


Fuck having rules and shit

[Anonymous No.15524210]

>>15524199
I get that from every side.

[Anonymous No.15524233]

>>15524210
Which means your positions are either sound or incredibly awful, with no in-between.

[Anonymous No.15524235]

So assuming even 2 or 3 more Raptors work fine, and it doesn’t lose TVC, and also the new interstage doesn’t crumple, Booster 9 should make it to MECO, right?

[Anonymous No.15524237]

>>15524235
it will reach orbit inshallah

[Anonymous No.15524239]

>>15524233
>no in-between.
Why not both? Both sound and awful IS on the table after all.

[Anonymous No.15524241]

>>15524235
Hopefully, but it's always possible that they find another novel failure mode for the system instead.

[Anonymous No.15524250]

>>15523971
He's a Democrat and a Kennedy. He's worse than worthless. The only question is which schizo is going to blow his head off :-)

[Anonymous No.15524253]

>>15524023
Don't worry, friend. It's okay if you're not racist. I'll do your share of racism, too.

[Anonymous No.15524255]

>>15523971
He believes the moon landing was fake

[Anonymous No.15524256]

>>15524241
>>15524237
I hope it makes it. The recent trend, at least among smallsat launchers, is a failed first flight followed by a successful second one

[Anonymous No.15524257]

>>15523206
>let’s fire up the raptors in an enclosed space, that never caused problems before, right?
Watching the submarine saga I realized that James Cameron is who Musk thinks he is but fails. You can instantly tell James Cameron knows his shit.

[Anonymous No.15524259]

>>15524257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AakIvG7Xolc

[Anonymous No.15524261]

>>15524257
James Cameron is great desu

[Anonymous No.15524262]

>>15524257
EDS patients always expose themselves

[Anonymous No.15524263]

The spin stage sep always seemed sketchy as fuck. Like, the propellant isn’t settled, no? Idk.

[Anonymous No.15524265]

[Anonymous No.15524267]

>>15524257
You're a fucking moron. Drown yourself.

[Anonymous No.15524268]

>>15524235
Booster 9 has the same number of Raptors as Booster 7 (33), but Booster 9 has electric TVC instead of hydraulic and it will hot stage instead of needing to do the flip thing which was always a big question mark to whether it would work.

[Anonymous No.15524272]

>>15524268
That, plus the more-reliable Raptors, makes me confident we see at least MECO. Stage sep is still scary. Also, Raptors abort a lot on the ground. A raptor abort on stage sep for starship would be bad

[Anonymous No.15524281]

>>15524259
My man are you really comparing the hot staging system of the Titan II to 6 Raptors and their vacuum bells inside whatever this is?
>>15523720

[Anonymous No.15524282]

>>15524281
Not really, because I don't think "whatever this is" has particularly good odds of being the hot staging system.

[Anonymous No.15524290]

>>15524235
Why do some engines have black marks in the middle while others don't? Soot from test firing?

[Anonymous No.15524295]

>>15524290
Yep. Pic was from June 2022, so before any B7 static fires took place

[Anonymous No.15524309]

>>15522900

[Anonymous No.15524320]

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1673171369012469761

Concrete pour time.

[Anonymous No.15524322]

>>15523325
This looks like gay shit desu

>>15523562
Damn straight

[Anonymous No.15524324]

>>15524320
6 weeks bros we're so back!

[Anonymous No.15524325]

>>15524257
lmao this is great bait

[Anonymous No.15524335]

test

[Anonymous No.15524337]

>>15524023
Considering you're a pedo with shit taste, it looks like shit

[Anonymous No.15524350]

>>15524337
huh

[Anonymous No.15524383]

>>15523387
>marxist
SENPAI is libtard territory you moron, might as well be classified as shitlib heaven

[Anonymous No.15524395]

why tf would you use carbon fiber in a submarine as a cost-saving measure? isnt steel obviously cheaper? not to mention safer

[Anonymous No.15524397]

>>15524395
ocean is hard

[Anonymous No.15524539]

>>15524083
He's got the charisma of a wet paper bag unfortunately. So I don't see him succeeding into the White House.

[Anonymous No.15524554]

>>15523975
The president doesn't get to decide how much money NASA gets. At best, as the head of his party, the president can direct policy, but that does not strictly control individual voting behavior in congress (that's the majority/minority leader's job). You're better off studying senate races for 2024.

[Anonymous No.15524558]

>>15524320
nice
so if it is actually something like 2m thick, how long would it take to cure sufficiently for the next step (starting to install steel plates)?

[Anonymous No.15524560]

>>15524558
A week. Two at most.

[Anonymous No.15524572]

>Zurbuchen said there were "horrendous" technical mistakes made during the early planning phase at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. The original concept involved sending everything on a single lander, including a small rover to "fetch" the samples from Perseverance. However, the depth of this analysis was insufficient and included large errors about the mass of the landing legs and other factors. For a time, the plan had to evolve to add a second lander, which increased the cost by more than $1 billion.

[Anonymous No.15524577]

>>15524572
They should have reset MSR when they found out JPL was oversubscribed during the Psyche review

You can't fix a fundamentally broken spec with a change order

[Anonymous No.15524586]

>>15524572
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/the-mars-sample-return-mission-is-starting-to-give-nasa-sticker-shock/

its from this I guess?

[Anonymous No.15524588]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/will-zuck-and-musk-really-get-into-a-cage-match-if-so-blame-a-rocket-explosion/

[Anonymous No.15524593]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/rocket-report-electron-scoops-up-virgin-launch-ula-flies-first-2023-mission/

Small rockets
> North Star moves from LauncherOne to Electron
> Rocket Lab completes hypersonic flight.
> RFA to launch from French Guiana.
> Argentina working on smallsat launcher.
> Firefly buys Virgin Orbit’s remaining assets.
> Are European startups pursuing reusable launch?
> Skyrora tests new engine.

Medium rockets
> Officials unveil Ariane 6 roadmap.
> US Rep. says launch companies should pay more.

Heavy rockets
> ULA flies first rocket of 2023.
> Delta's assembly line goes silent

[Anonymous No.15524595]

>>15524586
Yeah this is where I got it from. They went from JWST money pit to MSR money pit. Little money left for your casual 1 billion probe.

>Due to these reasons, and the complexity of the program, it is almost certain that the launch date will slip to 2030 and very probably later. This means that if the program is costing $1 billion a year, or even more, it will continue to blow a major hole in NASA's planetary science budget, which is about $3 billion a year, for the remainder of this decade.

also the lander is huuuge
>The biggest issue these officials have is that the Jet Propulsion Laboratory has never built a lander this large or complex in-house. With a mass of 3.4 metric tons, it is far larger than anything NASA or any other space agency has landed on Mars. NASA says that, when fully extended, the lander will be 7.7 meters wide and 2.1 meters tall—about the size of a two-car garage.

[Anonymous No.15524599]

>>15523208
A submarine imploding won't cause too much damage, but a rocket exploding can cause a lot on the ground beneath

[Anonymous No.15524605]

>>15523208
given the stark similarity between submarines and space capsules (Pressure vessels, carbon fiber, avionics,compressed oxygen) I think this incident will have devastating effects on the space industry

[Anonymous No.15524623]

>>15523325
This all you sciencegolems get in this life. Better enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.15524644]

>>15524605
somewhere between 0 and 1

[Anonymous No.15524645]

will superheavy have its flap always out or "deployed" even during ascent? seems like i missed the memo on that

[Anonymous No.15524650]

>>15524586
>things that will never happen

[Anonymous No.15524655]

>>15524645
The memo was additional drag is significant enough compared to the complexity and mass of a deployment system.

[Anonymous No.15524663]

>>15523900
watching this, they mentioned SpaceX building a retaining wall or fence around some grass plot that isn't owned by SpaceX yet
does anyone that is not a SpaceX employee live at boca chica village right now? I would imagine it would be in SpaceX interest to get them the fuck out of there
the factory must grow

[Anonymous No.15524671]

>>15524663
Diamond hands hodl

[Anonymous No.15524673]

>>15524671
thats gay, if they keep this up SpaceX is just going to get them at a nominal price from eminent domain or national security reasons or whatever

[Anonymous No.15524674]

>>15524673
Didn't read, never selling

[Anonymous No.15524678]

>>15524674
based

[Anonymous No.15524687]

>>15524262
>EDS
Earth Departure Stage?

[Anonymous No.15524690]

>>15524257
Watching James Cameron talk about the sub made me realize his his ego is 100x the size of Musk's.

[Anonymous No.15524694]

>>15524674
you don't need to sell, it will be taken

[Anonymous No.15524695]

>>15524690
That's impossible. An ego that size would've collapsed into a black hole and sucked all human consciousness into it.

[Anonymous No.15524705]

>>15524655
I thought they were gonna be always out.

[Anonymous No.15524707]

>>15524705
I thought I wrote insignificant.

[Anonymous No.15524708]

>>15524257
Well it's been long known on /sfg/ that Elon doesn't know much about rockets.

[Anonymous No.15524716]

https://spacenews.com/virgin-galactic-sets-date-and-announces-crew-for-first-commercial-spaceshiptwo-flight/

[Anonymous No.15524717]

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/22/virgin-galactic-spce-raises-300-million-seeks-another-400-million.html

[Anonymous No.15524718]

https://www.space.com/dark-energy-euclid-spacex-rocket-launch-one-week-away

[Anonymous No.15524719]

>>15524718
https://payloadspace.com/euclid-to-launch-july-1-on-a-mission-to-study-dark-energy/

[Anonymous No.15524721]

>>15524716
am I the only one that not only doesn't care for space tourism but also dislikes it? Seems like a pointless detractor from grander goals and we know from ISS astronauts that these tourists were unable to perform their experiments and assignments without the help of actual trained astronauts, causing a burden on the crew and taking their time away

[Anonymous No.15524726]

Russia's Luna 25 Faces Further Delays as Political Situation Worsens

[Anonymous No.15524730]

>>15524721
not only do i not not like it, I think it is absolutely necessary for continued space development
I am indifferent to it in general, maybe slightly positive because it is cool that people start to go to space and it will enable me to go too at some point
but the more important point is that it is necessary (or will greatly speed up) the future of manned spaceflight
not really sure if you make a distinction between tourists and trained private employees of companies that go to space (private astronauts perhaps), but I think the distinction is kind of pointless
more people going to space is good, being limited to just contracts from space agencies like NASA doing "science" (lmao, the ISS does not exist to do science, that is just the only thing they have come up with to do with that piece of shit), or limited to "trained private astronauts" depending on how far you want to limit it
making space as easy and cheap is good for science too
you are infected with zero-sum thinking

[Anonymous No.15524733]

>>15524690
Your ego scales in proportion to the pressure difference you've survived

[Anonymous No.15524735]

so the CLPS landers still haven't launched?

[Anonymous No.15524739]

>>15524730
>>15524721
to add to this, Virgin galactic and New Shepard are not really "spaceflight", they are suborbital hops
just going over the Karman line (whether that is 80km or 100km), is not really going to space
the fact you don't seem to know that these can't even go to the ISS makes your post even more retarded

or maybe you just replied to a news article about virgin galactic, but were really talking about just orbital space tourism
in that case, refer to the first post
its good, there should be more of it, it will benefit science as well both directly through companies doing engineering and science but also indirectly by making it cheaper (as it already has with dragon and falcon 9) for governental astronauts to go to space and do the science
in the future there will be multiple space stations constructed by private entities that NASA will use which will be immensely cheaper than ISS, have more capability
and these stations are not being developed just for NASA, they assume manned spaceflight will grow a lot, including tourism

[Anonymous No.15524752]

>>15524395
>why tf would you use carbon fiber in a submarine
because IFLS
"Fuck the laws of physics, we just need to innovate more!"

[Anonymous No.15524788]

>>15524708
>every time spacex succeeds it's because of the engineers
>every time spacex fails it's because of elon musk

[Anonymous No.15524819]

speaking of blunders why is NASA so incompetent at personal finance??

[Anonymous No.15524825]

I know FTL is technically impossible but arguably, what is the most “viable” method of FTL? Legitimately curious.
In the event that FTL is impossible, how would one make a “galactic empire” without the ability to travel fast between stars.
At relativistic speeds, a trip to Proxima is 4 years. And to the center of the galaxy, 20,000+ years.
How would you incorporate intelligent alien races in a world without FTL? Would a multi-species council still be possible?

Just curious desu

[Anonymous No.15524839]

>>15524819
This is an HR thread now?

[Anonymous No.15524849]

>>15524825
Without FTL, interstellar travel becomes one way. Humans will still colonize the galaxy but each solar system will stand alone.

[Anonymous No.15524865]

>>15524849
technology transfer will still be possible

[Anonymous No.15524866]

>>15524825
Piles of isolated different strains of colonists in systems, near system empires and war and such it would take awhile but even without FTL in geologic terms humans would fill the milky way pretty quickly.

[Anonymous No.15524891]

>>15524819

[Anonymous No.15524892]

>>15524839
Human resources?

[Anonymous No.15524893]

test $x_1 = 2$ `x_1 = 2`

[Anonymous No.15524895]

>>15524893
one more test
$$x_1 = 2$$
``x_1 = 2``

[Anonymous No.15524898]

>>15524891
I guess its the last one for NASA, but it will be able to stay in zombie mode

[Anonymous No.15524902]

why do we rely on lame ass gravity assists to get going fast? an ion thruster powered spacecraft with 60% of its wet mass being fuel could eventually get up to twice the speed of voyager.

[Anonymous No.15524908]

>>15524902
if they had ion thruster they would just make the spacecraft heavier and make it to gravity assists to compensate for it

[Anonymous No.15524910]

>>15524902
"eventually"

[Anonymous No.15524914]

>>15524902
it would take 10,000 years to reach that speed

[Anonymous No.15524919]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W_1CULlJ_0

[Anonymous No.15524923]

>>15524919
NSF deserves more love from /sfg/

[Anonymous No.15524927]

>>15524825
Lentz Soliton wave to accelerate you to near light speed.
Mecurian orbit is a perfect spot for a soliton catapult

[Anonymous No.15524941]

see you all in 6 weeks then

[Anonymous No.15524947]

>>15524941
what's in 6 weeks?

[Anonymous No.15524948]

>>15524947
Completion of OLM repairs.

[Anonymous No.15524949]

>>15524923
whats wrong with them?

[Anonymous No.15524953]

>>15524949
pay piggies

[Anonymous No.15524954]

>>15524949
many of the presenters are turbofaggots which makes watching the videos annoying
this is even worse in the streams when they get together and start making dumb jokes
maybe I just don't get it and its a preference thing

[Anonymous No.15524957]

>>15524825

[Anonymous No.15525010]

>>15524265
>worse than Starship
>>15524825
>I know FTL is technically impossible
Accelerating to a local speed greater than that of light is a hard impossibility, but simply reaching somewhere faster than light would've is not.
>but arguably, what is the most “viable” method of FTL? Legitimately curious.
Warp drives.
>In the event that FTL is impossible, how would one make a “galactic empire” without the ability to travel fast between stars.
Antimatter engines powering massive colony ships. Really the only novel problem is figuring out large scale production of antimatter. If that were solved then the only challenge would be in creating the exact systems to make such a ship, much akin to building a very large bridge or ship on Earth.

[Anonymous No.15525018]

>>15524721
It's a part of commercialization. The only thing that's bad about it is that implies that industrial applications are still less profitable.

[Anonymous No.15525036]

>>15525018
only a few days until industrial applications prove themselves to be insanely profitable.

[Anonymous No.15525039]

>>15525036
ONE WEEK

[Anonymous No.15525041]

>>15525036
wow that thing looks like a proper factory, just like the ones we have on Earth

[Anonymous No.15525046]

>>15525041
Get better not bitter

[Anonymous No.15525055]

>>15525010
>Really the only novel problem is figuring out large scale production of antimatter
Thats been solved
>Future interstellar rockets may use laser-induced annihilation reactions for relativistic drive
>This method gives exhaust at relativistic speeds and is a factor of at least one hundred better than normal fusion due to its increased energy output from the annihilation-like meson formation processes. It uses ordinary hydrogen as fuel so a return travel is possible after refuelling almost anywhere in space. The central nuclear processes have been studied in around 20 publications, which is considered to be sufficient evidence for the general properties. The nuclear processes give relativistic particles (kaons, pions and muons) by laser-induced annihilation-like processes in ultra-dense hydrogen H(0). The kinetic energy of the mesons is 1300 times larger than the energy of the laser pulse. This method is superior to the laser-sail method by several orders of magnitude and is suitable for large spaceships.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576520303179

[Anonymous No.15525056]

>>15525041
fixed mindset npc detected

[Anonymous No.15525057]

[Anonymous No.15525058]

>>15524941
>>15525036
T- 7:00 and holding

[Anonymous No.15525062]

[Anonymous No.15525067]

[Anonymous No.15525084]

>>15525041
you know, I thought it looked more like a proper reentry vehicle, just like the ones we've been using to get stuff back from space for the last 60 years.

[Anonymous No.15525113]

>>15524954
>many of the presenters are turbofaggots
What does that even mean?

[Anonymous No.15525128]

>>15525113
I'm guessing he means that they don't have the right stuff.

[Anonymous No.15525134]

>>15524825
>empire
Basically, what the aliens do in Rendezvous with Rama.

[Anonymous No.15525170]

https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1673350738553221123?t=ZWdT7IQJigsgZOneWsIzRw&s=19
Wtf bros. Wasn't this supposed to take years?

[Anonymous No.15525184]

>>15525170
>Over a period of 10.5 hours, 132 loads of concrete were delivered to the Launch Complex
>This is equivalent to almost exactly 1,000 cubic meters
wow, a cubic kilometer of concrete

[Anonymous No.15525195]

>>15525067
crew is stored in the balls

[Anonymous No.15525197]

>>15525170
lots of salty ass replies lmaoo

[Anonymous No.15525208]

>>15525170
A fucking cubic kilometer?!

[Anonymous No.15525217]

>>15525208
Nah. 879877 imperial quarts.

[Anonymous No.15525229]

>>15524947
Elon will make a twitter post projecting OLM upgrades to be complete in 4 weeks

[Anonymous No.15525236]

>>15525170
A few days x'D

Come on. You can google these things. The idea that a thousand cubic meters can cure "in a few days" is laughable

This takes A MONTH

[Anonymous No.15525247]

>>15524087
I'm still sad that nobody ever attempted to bring flyback boosters off of the drawing board. Now that SpaceX has proven powered vertical landing, I guess no one never will.

[Anonymous No.15525250]

>>15525236
you don’t need cured concrete, you just need faith of the heart

[Anonymous No.15525252]

>>15524133
fun in an old factory! where and what is this?

[Anonymous No.15525257]

>>15525236
>work in the olm will halt completely until the concrete is cured
this is your brain on oldspace timelines

[Anonymous No.15525274]

>>15525252
This is not a place for fun. It is a place of business!

Looks like Astranis HQ

[Anonymous No.15525276]

>>15523524
>rockets
>piloting

[Anonymous No.15525299]

>>15524133
why anyone watch the nsf stream for any spacex launch is beyond me

[Anonymous No.15525318]

>>15524558
This is very similar to the foundation slabs for skyscrapers, which are given 3-4 weeks to cure.

[Anonymous No.15525319]

>>15524588
That was almost 7 years ago, why is this news now?

[Anonymous No.15525323]

>>15524825
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fUO3KKbAbTxMP1lqphnnodY0NPoOVblCUkDw-54MDUc/pub

[Anonymous No.15525326]

>>15525323
>how would one make a “galactic empire” without the ability to travel fast between stars
You wouldn't.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fUO3KKbAbTxMP1lqphnnodY0NPoOVblCUkDw-54MDUc/pub

[Anonymous No.15525329]

>>15525326
Meant for >>15524825

[Anonymous No.15525330]

>>15525170
Why are they so mad?

[Anonymous No.15525332]

>>15525330
there racist

[Anonymous No.15525335]

>>15525134
What do they do in that story? I thought that the premise was that the probe/station was abandoned except for a few lower life forms and some organic creatures that operated more like machines than sapient creatures. And then the people visiting it left after being stranded for a bit, and the thing fucked off from the solar system.

[Anonymous No.15525337]

>>15525335
Not abandoned, just asleep. The implication is that it's an automated ark-factory for reconstructing their whole civilization.

[Anonymous No.15525340]

>>15525337
I guess you never read the sequel novels?

[Anonymous No.15525343]

>>15525340
Nah, but I know they're not by the same author. And he didn't intend there to be sequels.

[Anonymous No.15525347]

>>15525343
That's fair, the sequels are interesting but Gentry Lee likes his interpersonal drama a bit too much.

[Anonymous No.15525348]

>>15525318
yeah but in that case they literally build a skyscraper on top of it, in this case they put a steel plate which is probably heavy, but I would assume nowhere near as heavy as a skyscraper
the mount is already resting on pilings, so this slab will only have to support the steel plate (and the water in the deluge system)
won't the concrete still continue curing beneath the plate? You will probably need a very well cured slab when you actually launch (which you have like 2.6m thick slab with a lot of pilings), but just to install the plate?

a few days seems kind of optimistic, but I don't think they would need to wait a month
pic is some random curing age vs strength table and it probably depends on a lot of factors, but 40% after 3 days (which would be included within a "few") is quite a lot actually, so maybe 3 days is not impossible

[Anonymous No.15525353]

>>15525170
It will take forever because of FAA licensing and other miscellaneous SX things, but everyone reeeing in this comment section will feel like they are right

[Anonymous No.15525355]

We humans no longer have any ambitions for space.

>No human has been on the Moon since 1969.
>No robot on the Moon
>No robot on Mars since 2021
>No human on Mars
>The other stars in our magnificent Solar System do not exist.
>No technical progress since 1997 (Mars Pathfinder)

In fact, science as a whole has been at a standstill for some time now.

[Anonymous No.15525366]

>>15525355
It doesn't help that our best and brightest have largely been eaten by software internet bullshit and stock trading.

[Anonymous No.15525371]

>>15525355
>Zuck learning all of Musk's weaknesses so he can beat him in a fight

[Anonymous No.15525376]

>>15525355
Sure we do. The problem is the government is controlled by anti-human and laws are made to see humans as evil and stop progress at all cost.

[Anonymous No.15525377]

>>15525319
because zuck challenged musk to a fight and musk said lets do it MMA style and both of them are supposedly serious about this

[Anonymous No.15525380]

Everyone is talking about how hot staging will affect Superheavy reuse. The bigger issue is that SpaceX needs to prove starship as a viable surface-to-LEO vehicle first.

[Anonymous No.15525393]

>>15525380
These get proven at the same time so I don’t really see your point.
You have to have a successful stage to make it to orbit so

[Anonymous No.15525406]

>>15525377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wy-6z17up4

relevant

[Anonymous No.15525432]

>>15524586
https://spacenews.com/nasa-identifies-potential-major-cost-growth-in-mars-sample-return/

[Anonymous No.15525445]

https://spacenews.com/agile-raises-13-million-to-expand-production/

Company 3D printing chemical thrusters for lunar landers like astrorobotic and ispace

https://agilespaceindustries.com/press/u3ags920s8c3puzf65lpr0vkvu7pie

> The A110 Thruster is also pioneering the commercial use of high-performance M20 fuel. The hydrazine/monomethylhydrazine blend increases vehicle performance for high ΔV missions, such as landing on the Moon.

[Anonymous No.15525448]

https://spacenews.com/china-conducts-parachute-tests-for-asteroid-sample-return-mission/

[Anonymous No.15525453]

>>15525445
yeah isn't that where charlie garcia went?

[Anonymous No.15525457]

>>15525448
How do you land on an asteroid with parachutes

[Anonymous No.15525458]

>>15525457
I think its for the capsule after it has entered earths atmosphere

[Anonymous No.15525468]

>>15525406
I haven't had blue belts go that easy on me.

[Anonymous No.15525476]

>>15525468
what do you mean? Some blue belts have a large ego for some reason, the higher belts don't seem to have the same need to prove themselves or whatever
or maybe you mean something else than what I think you mean

[Anonymous No.15525477]

>>15522827
If hot-staging Starship is so great, why didnt they choose that from the get go? Spinning it like before seems overly complex. also I never realized how bad the payload hit was

[Anonymous No.15525483]

>>15525477
probably because hot staging seems like a problem for reuse at the face of it
perhaps it won't be, but hydraulic pistons vs making the booster hot stage proof
what happens to the steel after being subjected to stress like that repeatedly (both heat and pressure)?

[Anonymous No.15525518]

so what are we thinking? another spin prime?

[Anonymous No.15525529]

>>15525380
Why didn't they go with this architecture for Artemis instead of requiring both lunar landers to have their own infrastructure and launches?

[Anonymous No.15525541]

>>15525518
im thinking nsf should buy some 8k cameras

[Anonymous No.15525549]

>10% greater payload with hot fire
total bullshit lie

[Anonymous No.15525559]

>>15525529
Both HLS contracts cost NASA less than a single SLS launch.

[Anonymous No.15525562]

>>15525549
Whatever the case is with that number, it also affects stage 1 reusability/maintenance costs.
Impressive and crazy how much money they're throwing into this design that doesn't seem to be adequately thought-out if at all.

[Anonymous No.15525563]

>>15525549
If you understand why automatics are faster than stick in drag racing then you should understand why it is probably pretty accurate.

[Anonymous No.15525564]

>>15525562
>it also affects stage 1 reusability/maintenance costs

It doesn't really my concern troll friend.

[Anonymous No.15525565]

>>15525483
>>15525477
They’re making it up as they go along and not in a good way. How is a rocket stacked and launched without a concrete solution for the staging?
The hot staging hardware should not launch without extensive ground testing, but who am I kidding, they launched the stack knowing the concrete was going to be a problem.

[Anonymous No.15525569]

>>15525563
Elon was being extremely wishy washy and explicitly avoided details during that interview. Downplaying the raptor issues and acting like stage sep was the real problem (we know it wasnt)

[Anonymous No.15525571]

>>15524605
it was a complete nothing burger and already forgotten. Nobody gives a shit of the occasional corpses in sea faring or airplanes. If it works most of the time it will have demand

[Anonymous No.15525573]

>>15525565
its called rapid iterative development
they had a solution (flip and fling), but for one reason or another decided to try this for the second flight, maybe they will try something else yet again or do the first one again
whatever works

[Anonymous No.15525574]

>>15525562
>doesn't seem to be adequately thought-out if at all
i'm reminded of F9 switch to octoweb. I think there were other major changes early on, even after the first launch. but Starship design changes do seem pretty drastic by comparison

[Anonymous No.15525578]

>>15524721
>am I the only one that not only doesn't care for space tourism but also dislikes it?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15525579]

>>15525569
Elon actually explained why hot staging improves performace but you didn't actually listen to the spaces.

[Anonymous No.15525580]

>>15525564
Step off Elons cock for a second and explain how this will work with the hardware we’ve seen for the supposed hot staging. How will anything survive when firing engines in an enclosed space? Especially the many many problems they’ve had firing the rocket and it destroying anything below it. Happened with the SNs many times leading to loss of engines.

[Anonymous No.15525582]

>>15525580
>"I didn't actually listen to the spaces where my questions were answered."

[Anonymous No.15525590]

Superheavy just became an expendable rocket because SpaceX NEEDS to get Starship to orbit YESTERDAY. That's what's happening.

[Anonymous No.15525591]

>>15525582
And Elon was so bang on about the flame diverter am I right?

[Anonymous No.15525603]

>>15525580
Haven't you seen the new ring design at the bottom of the Starship? Pay more attention rookie

[Anonymous No.15525604]

>>15525582
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.15525622]

>>15525603
I’ve already mentioned the ring though.
They’re building a massive water cooling system for the pad and you genuinely think that ring and the top of the booster will hold up as a hot fire interstage? Come on now

[Anonymous No.15525628]

>>15525591
what the fuck are you talking about retard?

[Anonymous No.15525632]

>>15525622
they don't have to start all of the 6 engines at the same time
and even then, its 6 vs 33

[Anonymous No.15525635]

>>15525632
it's also not 6, they won't be firing the sea level raptors

[Anonymous No.15525670]

>>15525591
Yeah, he unironically was. "Aspiring for no flame diverter [...], but that may be a mistake" and that comment was made when Raptor 1 (25% less thrust!) was early in development and SuperHeavy was only going to have 30 of them. That's an obvious acknowledgement that the decision may cause issues down the road, which he was clearly right about. Unless of course you're actually enough of a contrarian nigger as to argue that it WASN'T a mistake to skip building a flame diverter just to stir up more (You)s.
4ASS needs to build a flamin'-faggot-diverter to send you revisionist retards back to >>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.15525682]

I think a plausible solution to the Fermi paradox is that near relativistic travel is actually super easy to accomplish through some as yet undiscovered quirk of physics like QI or whatever and that no civilisation is capable of dealing with the inherent hazards of easy to make relativistic weapons.

[Anonymous No.15525685]

>>15525670
>the decision may cause issues down the road, which he was clearly right about.
So he knew it was a mistake but went ahead with it even though everyone could see it was going to do exactly what it did to the pad?
I’m willing to bet he fought engineers to not have a diverter

[Anonymous No.15525688]

The great filter could very well be twitter troons and redditors

[Anonymous No.15525694]

>>15525055
>The power necessary for running a diode pumped Nd laser is estimated to be 100 W, while the power in the laser pulses is of the order of 1–5 W (0.1–0.5 J at 10 Hz) giving 1300 times higher kinetic energy for the mesons as found above, or 1300 times higher power at 1.3–6.5 kW. Thus, the power for running the laser is negligible.

wtf??? There must be a catch

[Anonymous No.15525731]

>>15525483
Could tile the top of the booster?

[Anonymous No.15525735]

>>15525685
Tell me who knew the sand had eroded under the pad and it would cause the pad to buckle please

[Anonymous No.15525738]

>>15525057
i can't believe Bennu stole the eiffel tower

[Anonymous No.15525739]

>>15525276
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a brightly painted trash can with a midget hidden inside

[Anonymous No.15525741]

>>15525670
Lol

[Anonymous No.15525748]

>>15525735
Everyone, since they have had concrete debris problems during the SN tests where the engines or hydraulics got damaged.

[Anonymous No.15525754]

>>15525748
completely different, and if you don't understand how you shouldn't be posting here
and if you do know, you should be banned for being such a trollacious faggot

[Anonymous No.15525773]

>>15525754
>anyone pointing out problems with design, testing and the oft means you should be banned
That’s the difference between an Elon dick rider and a SpaceX fan. I want them to succeed so I don’t like seeing them make bad decisions.

[Anonymous No.15525781]

>>15525773
no, anyone who's purposefully being this ignorant for the sake of trolling should be banned; it's even against the rules. it's pretty fucking obvious at this point that you're just here to concern troll when all you do is spout uninformed thunderf00t talking points one after another, constantly shifting goalposts every time you get called out.

[Anonymous No.15525799]

>>15525781
Lmao. Please tell me the difference between the problems they had with pad debris hitting the engines and hydraulics and the OLM concrete suffering the same fate. I find it concerning that even having doubts about the pad they launched anyway.

[Anonymous No.15525800]

>>15525580
>if I dont know, then its impossible
Are you God or something?

[Anonymous No.15525804]

>>15525800
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.15525811]

>>15525799
>I find it concerning that

No one cares, spacex knows more than you, kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.15525821]

>>15525804
A pretentious faggot

[Anonymous No.15525824]

>>15525811
That’s why they had a giant crater in the launch pad, gotchu

[Anonymous No.15525834]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/musk-and-bezos-offer-humanity-a-grim-future-in-space-colonies/
>Musk and Bezos Offer Humanity a Grim Future in Space Colonies
>Privately owned space colonies are more likely to be totalitarian nightmares than libertarian utopias
>Musk and his companies don’t have the greatest track record following the law on Earth, which doesn’t speak well to how he would govern a Mars colony. His Martian employees can look forward to “burning the 3 A.M. oil, they won’t even leave the factory,” a regimen for which he has lauded Chinese workers;
This article by Matthew R. Francis is reminiscent of "Mars is a Hellhole", full of anti-human, anti-space, anti-work, anti-capitalist sentiment. Entertaining read

[Anonymous No.15525835]

So is a static fire happening?

[Anonymous No.15525838]

>>15525834
>The law of the Earth
Sounds like something out of 1984 kek

[Anonymous No.15525842]

>>15525834
>To put it bluntly: if our space overlords behave this way on Earth with governments looking over their shoulders, how will they behave off-world with little possibility of oversight or redress? Even returning to Earth from Mars might be technically impossible. Trusting your life to private space companies is a big gamble, not least since Florida Governor Ron DeSantis in May signed a bill shielding SpaceX and other companies from liability from death or injury incurred from spaceflight.
This man is terminally online and severely mentally ill
>Musk and Bezos don’t serve a fascist regime, but like von Braun, their visions are rooted in 20th-century colonialism, resource extraction and disregard for labor rights. Martian company towns off-world won’t be the libertarian paradise promised by our tech billionaires.
Ok? One ticket please

[Anonymous No.15525843]

>>15525834
This shit is retarded. Presumably you will have to work hard on Mars due to the shortage of manpower and excessive amount of work, but that won't come as a surprise to anyone. Further, what sort of tyrannical means does this dipshit think that could be enforced on a colony of people a who planet away where, presumably, no one has guns. There are no jack booted thugs stomping around for the Pinkerton's carrying ARs, waiting to throw you in space jail for not working 16 hours.

[Anonymous No.15525845]

>>15525834
Why is it always these people?

[Anonymous No.15525848]

>>15525842
>not least since Florida Governor Ron DeSantis in May signed a bill shielding SpaceX and other companies from liability from death or injury incurred from spaceflight.

Hopy based

[Anonymous No.15525856]

>>15525845
EDS

[Anonymous No.15525861]

>>15525834
>NASA’s current Artemis agenda—particularly as originally formulated under the Trump administration—is as much about reasserting American superiority in space, and providing access for private companies to the moon’s natural resources, as it is about advancing science.
do these people not understand what they write? do they think "advancing science" is an end in and of itself? "advancing science" is why we can have blue origins "office park in low earth orbit". advancing science for advancing science sake is how we end up going to the moon 6 times and never again.
>One of the earliest popularizations of orbiting space habitats and Mars colonies came from the engineer Wernher von Braun, whose personal history should make us cautious about space visionaries
nevermind, these people aren't here in good faith. they can't reconcile that people they don't like are capable of uncontroversially good things.

[Anonymous No.15525865]

>>15525856
guarantee you this guy was gagging on elon's balls as recent as 2017

[Anonymous No.15525871]

>>15525861
And what's wrong with reasserting American superiority in space?

[Anonymous No.15525877]

>>15525871
AMERICA BAD. BLACK PEOPLE, KNEEL TO THEM.

[Anonymous No.15525881]

>>15525871
I find that strange too. it's such a good way to do geopolitics. nobody dies, id doesn't preclude other countries doing it, and it makes your own country richer and more technologically advanced.
it's like they want a race to the bottom. we're not allowed to go back to the moon because china isn't able to yet.

[Anonymous No.15525893]

Any L2 pigs ITT right now?

[Anonymous No.15525928]

>>15523867
another tolkien company name

[Anonymous No.15525943]

static fire of s25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv-TSySI6DY

make sure to mute

[Anonymous No.15525946]

God imagine if Bezos bent the knee and just bought 10,000 starship flights for lunar development

[Anonymous No.15525970]

braaaap

[Anonymous No.15525973]

>>15525970
sniff

welcome to the post-nut world s25

[Anonymous No.15525986]

A static fire just happened and almost nobody on /sfg/ gives a shit,

[Anonymous No.15525991]

>>15525986
I was busy eating dinner.

[Anonymous No.15525994]

>>15525986
ship static fires got old now, we've had so many

[Anonymous No.15525997]

>>15525986
I care, but I only just got home and found out about it

[Anonymous No.15525999]

[Anonymous No.15526001]

ship 24 underwent 8 spin primes and 3 static fires before launching. Ship 25 has had 1 of each. How many more should we expect from ship 25 before it launches?

[Anonymous No.15526005]

[Anonymous No.15526006]

>>15525986
so what
do we care if a f9 does a sf?

[Anonymous No.15526009]

>>15525999
>>15526005
I thought it was gonna be next year when testing and stuff resumes???

[Anonymous No.15526010]

>>15526001
>zero

reall answer: maybe 2 more spins and 1 fire, I'd be surprised to see any more. S24 had engines changed out more than once, I think at least 1 time because of an issue that turned up during a spin prime; and it was also the first real use of vacuum raptors anywhere but a test stand. since spacex likely has more confidence in starship raptors than previously, unless S25 starts having engines removed I think they're mostly set to go.

[Anonymous No.15526013]

lol

[Anonymous No.15526024]

>>15526013
any bets on how many tiles hot-staging will knock off?

[Anonymous No.15526057]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1673509777819967488

6 engine static fire

[Anonymous No.15526058]

>>15525055
>>15525694
This guy is a schizo who spews out hundreds of papers only citing himself about a non-existent form of super dense hydrogen he calls "rydberg matter". So far he's demonstrated nothing.

[Anonymous No.15526059]

>>15525236
The heat from the rocket cures the concrete.

[Anonymous No.15526070]

>>15526057
Neat video

[Anonymous No.15526079]

>>15526058
And he never will, God I hate modern academia so much. All it does is give pensions for useless fucks to sit around all day.

[Anonymous No.15526142]

>>15525986
Guess what? Idgaf about F9 static fires either

[Anonymous No.15526147]

>>15526024
This is the real reason theyre terrified to try it

[Anonymous No.15526171]

>>15525973
we are in need of a top off

[Anonymous No.15526216]

>>15525458
Yeah it was a joke I thought I would get some laughs or some (you)s
but alas, /sfg/ is dead :(

[Anonymous No.15526233]

>>15525834
>Scientific American
has this publication always been a joke or is that a recent development?

[Anonymous No.15526247]

>>15526233
It was the early 1900s version of “quantized inertia could work and I could be wrong but it’s still fun to talk about”
Also ironically enough, Einstein has published with them before.
So yeah I’d say it has always been sort of fringe science to a degree. The problem is that popsci has devolved so much that now it’s the topic that’s shit, not necessarily the magazine itself. Sort of like how history channel used to be awesome but now it’s just ancient aliens 24/7 because that’s what the retard audience wants

[Anonymous No.15526263]

>>15526233
It's been pretty pictures and deceptively (as in less obviously) dumbed down science for at least 20 years or something. I don't know how political they are now.

[Anonymous No.15526276]

>>15525986
I was wage slaving, and it was during lunch when it happened. I can't phonepost because my carrier is blocked.

Just know, I'm always watching you, anon. Always.

[Anonymous No.15526327]

>>15525057
>Bennu

[Anonymous No.15526330]

>>15526327
:DDDD

[Anonymous No.15526331]

new official Gateway diagrams from NASA

1/2

[Anonymous No.15526333]

2/2
>they had to use the reference lander because both Starship and Blue Hydrologgs would have obscured the rest of the shitty tollbooth

[Anonymous No.15526334]

>>15525881
It stems from a zero-sum attitude. They view economic growth not as being a positive in and of itself, and instead worry solely about inequality. It's a patently absurd position which only comfortably middle class westerners would ever enjoy because they're so far removed from enduring actual poverty to recognize that poverty is worse than inequality. They decry colonialism not because it was brutal (which it was on occasion) but because it's allegedly to blame for global income gaps; this observation is, of course, false because Europe generated its wealth by developing massively efficient modes of production and countries like India which fell behind Europe during the 19th century developed at roughly the same pace as every country had for the prior 2000 years.

Space represents the next opportunity for technologically innovative countries to leverage their advantage into achieving more growth, without giving everyone else time to catch up. Likewise, they hate Elon because he represents someone who (1) obviously contributes massively to the global economy, making people's lives better and (2) is hellbent on personally accumulating capital for himself. Elon personifies Locke's argument that people should be allowed to accumulate infinite wealth because in doing so they improve others' welfare, and the possibility of space exploration destroys any argument based on the finiteness of Earth's resources. These retards only understand this on a subconscious level; they hate billionaires because they're jealous, and can rationalize their hatred with appeals to poverty while ignoring that the best way to combat poverty is with long term investments that allow the rich to profit (see China) rather than gibs (see Africa). They detest capitalist America expanding its influence in space on a visceral level because the mere possibility fundamentally refutes their worldview; their "arguments" are just attempts to rationalize this belief with their desire for progress

[Anonymous No.15526341]

>>15526334
>Elon personifies Locke's argument that people should be allowed to accumulate infinite wealth because in doing so they improve others' welfare

Fair, but now let's look at the masses of other billionaires who just hoard wealth, do fuck all, get rich from selling trash and borderline poison and whose only goal is moar money. Elon is by far the exception.

[Anonymous No.15526343]

>>15526341
Elon has said himself he couldn't have built SpaceX anywhere but the USA. Freedom to change the world also means freedom to be a jackass like Bezos.

[Anonymous No.15526365]

>>15526341
Elon is a more sparkly futuristic version of it, but i think a lot of new money billionaires got that way by adding to the total value of the world. It’s certainly true of the robber barons. They weren’t all sunshine and rainbows, but they crated the railroads which added huge industrial capacity to America. The modern version of this is tech billionaires. Gates, Jobs, Bezos, Jack Ma, Mike Bloomberg, all these guys made a fortune adding to the economic capacity of the computer/internet.

[Anonymous No.15526376]

>>15526341
>other billionaires who just hoard wealth, do fuck all, get rich from selling trash and borderline poison and whose only goal is moar money
They're still contributing to the economy and creating jobs and producing products which people are willing to buy. If their products are harmful to society then that's a different matter entirely. And yeah, in practice I don't particularly like billionaires and think that most are selfish jerks who should donate 90% of their wealth to charity, but they're also the selfish jerks who are responsible for innovations and products which I like having around more than I like sticking it to the man.

My main point is that Elon (and space exploration/exploitation generally) is such a perfect refutation of what those soulless pseudo-commie types believe that he causes them to short-circuit in wild attempts to prove that he's actually singlehandedly ruining the solar system. His being (somewhat) of an exception is why they focus on him rather than the thousands of other billionaires who are objectively contributing less to the advancement and welfare of mankind.

[Anonymous No.15526399]

>>15526376
> Idon't particularly like billionaires and think that most are selfish jerks who should donate 90% of their wealth to charity
Fuuuuuck that, charity? lmao might as well throw it into a volcano. Anyway they're only selfish insomuch as they could be reinvesting that wealth to build new companies and compound that wealth further. After they got theirs, seems most became risk averse pussies.

[Anonymous No.15526420]

Had a nightmare that Polaris Dawn got stuck to Hubble.

[Anonymous No.15526421]

>>15525834
scientific american has been total trash for a long time, not sure if they were ever good but they have been woke on top of being shit

[Anonymous No.15526425]

>>15526263
very political, I think they like literally endorsed Biden or something

[Anonymous No.15526430]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1673564912948326400

now what concern troll faggots?

[Anonymous No.15526432]

>>15526430
The cement will never set in time, lmao.

[Anonymous No.15526433]

>>15526430
Doomer here. Not gonna lie i shit my pants when i saw this to be honest

[Anonymous No.15526439]

>>15526425
Yeah, that's right. They did it before Nature did, and that's not surprising to me.

[Anonymous No.15526443]

>>15526432
it took like 2 years for it to cure the first time

[Anonymous No.15526450]

Have they even installed the deluge system? the water cooled metal octogon?

[Anonymous No.15526458]

>>15526450
soon, need a number of days for the

[Anonymous No.15526471]

>>15526432

[Anonymous No.15526473]

>>15526458
Get back to me in a week and say that you were wrong if they don't then

[Anonymous No.15526474]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1673580231217618946

[Anonymous No.15526482]

Will they test hot staging on the ground with a mockup? If they can achieve enough thrust on the ground without blowing up either end that would go a long way of proving their design. NASA vacuum chamber?

[Anonymous No.15526486]

[Anonymous No.15526503]

not interested in any of this. what is the status of ariane 7?

[Anonymous No.15526505]

>>15526486
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1673587083267518465

[Anonymous No.15526514]

>>15525569
>Downplaying the raptor issues
which is by far the biggest issue currently. 25% of the engines failed during the flight

[Anonymous No.15526516]

>>15526514
Fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.15526520]

>>15526516
seethe more

[Anonymous No.15526533]

>>15525986
I was sleeping. Did anything of note happen during it? How many engines fired?

[Anonymous No.15526538]

>>15525842
>resource extraction
how is moving this off the Earth a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.15526552]

>>15526503
they're skipping the (yet to launch once) ariana 6?

[Anonymous No.15526554]

>>15526142
Do they still do this?

[Anonymous No.15526560]

>>15526538
If you're a Magian, going outside the cave is haram

[Anonymous No.15526568]

>>15526560
Stupid MAGAt

[Anonymous No.15526617]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/spacex-making-more-than-1000-changes-to-next-starship-rocket/

[Anonymous No.15526620]

>>15526617
https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-design-changes-second-test-flight

[Anonymous No.15526621]

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4610/1

[Anonymous No.15526623]

https://www.space.com/artemis-2-laser-communication-system-o2o-ksc

[Anonymous No.15526625]

https://www.space.com/orbiter-sn3-space-tug-lost-spacex

[Anonymous No.15526627]

https://spacenews.com/esa-european-companies-back-zero-debris-agreement/

[Anonymous No.15526641]

>>15526503
11 tons to LEO, 4 tons to GTO when reusable. Basically weaker Falcon 9. ArianeSpace is a joke.

[Anonymous No.15526646]

>>15526627
More like European Zero Launch agreement. lol

[Anonymous No.15526653]

I remember watching a video of a space shuttle launch in HD (forgot which one) and all the comments were saying
>Q sent me here
How do we increase schizo space conspiracy shit. Lmao

[Anonymous No.15526657]

>>15526617
It needs a new FAA type approval because its practically a different rocket ;^)

[Anonymous No.15526664]

>>15526233
>>15526263
They went woke with glowball warman at the turn of the century. I had been a subscriber for years before that, then dropped it pretty quickly when that happened, because it got kind of preachy. I learned that it was intentional a few years later when the editor was being interviewed on Charile Rose (remember him?) and literally admitted to it.

[Anonymous No.15526676]

>>15526430
It is SO over it's-over-bros
We are SO back we're-back-bros

[Anonymous No.15526692]

>>15526341
you don't understand how people become billionaires
its through building or investing in companies that become successful, just like Musk did
Musks companies are just more impactful than average, but the same argument applies to pretty much every billionaire

there might be some very few exceptions to this (like Soros making money through manipulating the monetary system or something), but the vast majority made their money through ownership of companies
that is not hoarding wealth

[Anonymous No.15526694]

>>15526365
the concept of robber barons is a leftist creation just like musk and billionaires bad in general
"robber barons" were just the billionaires of their time, creating companies, often innovating completely new ways to do things which helped everyone immensely as everyone got richer as a result

[Anonymous No.15526697]

>>15526694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwYt_Rs1YKQ

relevant video

[Anonymous No.15526701]

>>15526692
Prigozhin made is wealth this way. And Soros made his wealth honestly

[Anonymous No.15526706]

>>15526514
very old engines, not designed to get pummeled by fast flying concrete slabs

[Anonymous No.15526707]

>>15526706
according to Musk the engines weren't hit by concrete debris

[Anonymous No.15526719]

>>15526706
>very old engines
They had been sitting outside exposed to weather for over a year. It's the FAA's fault.

[Anonymous No.15526751]

>>15526621
SIRS

[Anonymous No.15526772]

>>15525579
I heard him loud and clear. Drinking cum increases payload capacity by "orders of magnitude"

[Anonymous No.15526775]

>>15526706
That's the funny thing, NONE OF THE ENGINES WERE IMPACTED BY CONCRETE AHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.15526777]

>>15526554
Rarely

[Anonymous No.15526780]

>>15526617
Thanks Berger, you're only 3 days behind Foust. Useless journo

[Anonymous No.15526790]

No love for Soyuz this morning? Successful launch of Meteor-M and a host of cubesats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EKVTlgZmJY

[Anonymous No.15526823]

if you dont immediately want to **** buran-chan what are you even doing with your life

[Anonymous No.15526826]

stage it

[Anonymous No.15526828]

>>15526823
She's a hag now, anon.
She's even got tats all over.

[Anonymous No.15526831]

>>15526828
Didn't that warehouse collapse on her years ago?

[Anonymous No.15526834]

>>15526828
what can I say? I love damaged women

[Anonymous No.15526849]

>>15526775
which is a bad thing actually

[Anonymous No.15526858]

>>15525549
What an impeccable argument! And based on such clear and convincing evidence!

[Anonymous No.15526863]

>>15526858
Thank you :)

[Anonymous No.15526885]

STAGING
>>15526884
>>15526884
>>15526884
>>15526884
>>15526884

[Anonymous No.15526985]

>>15523325
>that MUH FUTURE spacesuit
already generic sci-fi trash. Then again, that seems to be just Helios's EMU design, and Helios's design language is MUH FUTURE. Hopefully NASA and the Soviets have better EMU designs.