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World famous scientist Dr. Richard Dawkins has reversed his position on atheism.

>> No.15487841

>>15487839
Despite all the lies you make up, your gods are still as non-existent as ever.

>> No.15487842

>>15487839
H didn't change his mind. I've seen this exact thread up like 6 months ago kys.

>> No.15487843

>>15487839
How is this science related? This is /his/ or /x/ related.

>> No.15487844

>the heroism of JK Rowling
He's a transphobic chud.

>> No.15487854

>>15487841
>now let's me tell you about dark matter

>> No.15487866

>>15487854
>believing in G*d is on the same level as believing in dark matter.
You know your full of shit just admit it.

>> No.15487923

>>15487854
kek!

>> No.15487951
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>> No.15487953

>>15487951
So did he finally admit his role in creating the modern SJW through Atheism+?

>> No.15488004

>we should abandon christianity and other religion, because it is......le bad
>oh fuck shit go back
many such cases

>> No.15488046

>>15487951
Here's what Dawkins actually said in the interview

FS: The question is: empirically speaking, between conventional religion and what appears to be its successor ideology, which will be proven by history to be better for the flourishing of the species? Early signs are that this new kind of religion, which thinks it’s secular, has some major problems.

RD: Well, if you care about the flourishing of the species, yes, but I care about truth.

FS: So you don’t care about the flourishing of the species?

RD: Well I do care about it as a human being, but more deeply I care about truth.

FS: And if your sense of truth would lead to the annihilation of the species, would you be content with that?

RD: No I would not be content with that. But I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t happen. I think that truth actually is a genuine value. I believe that a true scientific outlook on the world would actually be best for the flourishing of humankind.

This stupid cunt interviewer clearly has a right-wing agenda he wants to peddle to his braindead followers and doesn't care about the truth at all.

>> No.15488048

>>15488046
regardless of the interview peddling, dawkins has again admitted that nu-religions such as athiesm and scienctism are de facto worse for the human race.

>> No.15488050

>>15488046
based, link to the actual interview?

>> No.15488063

>>15487842
Why does he go to church now then? Just for a laugh?

>> No.15488066

>>15488050
You can just search for the article by its name (given in the op's image)

>> No.15488076

>>15488066
or you could stop being a faggot and link it since you obviously just had it open

>> No.15488088

>>15488076
You sound really eager to get random people to advertise this cunt interviewer's website. Do it yourself if you care so much

>> No.15488093

>>15488088
i really dont give a fuck about some alt right grifter and i dont think anyone else here does either

>> No.15488128

>>15488046
why is he concerned about truth and not about facts?

>> No.15488142

>>15488128
Your post is a bit confusing. Truth and facts are basically the same thing, in the sense that a statement that is true is a fact.

Dawkins did not say he cares about truth but not about facts, he said he cares more about what is true than what is beneficial for humans.

>> No.15488144

>>15487866
That guy probably meant dark energy. I can somehow agree with the dark matter, primarily because galaxies and shit and it makes sense to assume the existence of a weakly interacting type of yet unknown matter.
Dark energy on the other hand is pure belief, a mathematical hack.i can't fathom how retards start to assume space has intrinsic mysterious energy. Similar to how God is a logical hack to attribute all inadequacies of man.
The day someone comes with a better theory of gravitation, dark energy will be out.

>> No.15488165

>>15488142
>he cares more about what is true than what is beneficial for humans.
What a fucking retard

>> No.15488171

>>15488142
He cares more about his personal beliefs than truth, is what he said.

>> No.15488175

>>15487854
>assuming the existence of an undiscovered phenomenon in a theoretical context is equivalent to believing in a talking bush

>> No.15488176

>>15488048
No he hasn't, Freddie

>> No.15488180

>>15488175
No one actually mentioned christianity though did they

>> No.15488181

>>15488175
You're right. Something for which we have historical attestation is actually more plausible than nonsense cosmological woo.

>> No.15488183

>>15487953
Atheism+ arguably also created the anti-SJW people before they all got kicked off yt

>> No.15488192

>>15487953
fedora tippers were against sjw types, zoomer. their entire thing was how rational they were. this concept of left vs right wasn't so firm then, they opposed both christians and progressive liberals.

>> No.15488199

>>15488181
>the historical certifier: one 400 BC rabbi who clearly had an interest for it to be believed

>> No.15488203

>>15488180
applies to Judaism and Islam too, by the way

>> No.15488205

>>15488192
Atheism+ was a schism in New Atheism. It emerged out of the anti-Christian movement that Dawkins was responsible for nurturing.

>> No.15488207

>>15488199
And it's 100% more substantiated than "dark energy." I hope you can one day abandon your dogma and accept reality.

>> No.15488210

>>15488203
The supreme being can be argued for without revelation, you seem to be very confused

>> No.15488212

>>15488207
100% of 0. What a win

>> No.15488214

>>15487854
Nobody gives a shit about dark matter, why are you retards obsessed with it.

>> No.15488215

>>15488205
progressivism came from secularism not atheism, theyre not even anti christian since christianity is compatible with it now and its conservative form is now longer dominant in politics.

>> No.15488216

>>15488210
Cool but how do I unsubscribe from your personal blog

>> No.15488222

>>15488216
By biting into a cyanide pill

>> No.15488231

>>15488215
>theyre not even anti christian
You lost me once you got there. If you didn't know about modern anti-theist movements you could have just said so instead of making stuff up.

>> No.15488238

>>15488231
>modern anti-theist movements
name one and a progressive lgbt loving blm rioting politicians who endorses it

>> No.15488239

>>15488214
so what, you are like some white matter supremacist?

>> No.15488240

>>15488238
Oh are you moving the goalposts now? I thought we were talking about the New Atheism social movement and its major figures.

>> No.15488248

>>15488240
my point is that progressivism came from secularism not atheist movements, new atheism is mainly responsible for that short era of anti sjw "rational" people and not really anything else. when people oppose religion in politics they dont bring up rationality and science and make fun of noahs ark they make a point of being secular.

>> No.15488251

>>15488248
>progressivism came from secularism
progressivism comes from christianity

>> No.15488252

>>15488251
Progressivism comes from a hatred of Christianity.

>> No.15488254

>>15488251
it may have been inspired by hippie jesus but probably more the 60s counterculture

>> No.15488260

>>15488254
Surprisingly the Jesus Movement, what people would consider "hippie Christianity" is way more conservative than modern politics could ever allow. They were all about converting men away from homosexuality and drug abuse to become normal people again.

>> No.15488264

>>15488192
If you were a fedora tipper in 2013 you're a tradcuck now.

>> No.15488267

>>15488252
Hatred of Christianity comes from a love of progress.

>> No.15488274

>>15488264
no fedora tippers grew up, the trad caths or whatever they call themselves are just the modern generations equivalent. exact same autism.

>> No.15488276

>>15488192
>fedora tippers were against sjw types
Sure thing retard.

>> No.15488277

>>15488267
A love of the self (narcissism) actually.

>> No.15488278

>>15488277
That is not at all incompatible with Christianity, as many alleged "Christians" demonstrate on a daily basis. You are probably not an exception, either.

>> No.15488281

>>15488276
you were in elementary school while that was going on

>> No.15488284

>>15488281
See >>15488276

>> No.15488285

>>15488278
Pride is one of the most reproved sins. Atheism primarily emerges because people (narcissists, usually) have an overriding desire to do something which God explicitly forbids them to do. For example sodomize children (homosexuals) or murder (abortionists). Their narcissism means they decide that because God makes them feel bad God can't exist.

>> No.15488286

>>15488284
youre wrong and younger than 18

>> No.15488288

>>15488285
Sure, bud.

If you're not prideful then sit down and listen to people instead of telling them how they think and feel.

>> No.15488289

>>15488286
You seem to be seething about the fact that multiple anons (correctly) pointed out to you that atheism is the cause of the modern American social malaise.

>> No.15488293

>>15488286
See >>15488276

>>15488289
That's not what I pointed out, retard

>> No.15488294

>>15488288
My analysis of the personality of atheists is rooted in experimental observational evidence of hundreds of atheists in their natural environments. I will admit that I don't know how every atheist thinks, but the preponderance of evidence suggests that there is a type of person who is primarily seduced by atheism.

>> No.15488298

>>15488289
>You seem to be seething about the fact
this post really lends itself to a nasally teenager voice. you are not multiple anons and you are deflecting.
>>15488293
completely pointless reply, kys

>> No.15488299

>>15488289
They'd be incorrect to point that out which is a good reason for lovers of truth to be upset, actually

>> No.15488301

>>15488294
It's rooted in your arse, more like. You're providing me with yet another data point for my thesis.

>> No.15488302

>>15488299
>They'd be incorrect
Why are you lying?

>> No.15488307

>>15488299
>>15488301
Definitely a seething New Atheist ashamed to admit what he was responsible for.

>> No.15488309

>>15488307
I'd proudly admit it if atheism had any hand in this or had any sort of influence in the US, but the fact simply is that it didn't and it doesn't. You're just an obsessed moron.

>> No.15488311

>>15488307
atheists were largely responsible for much of the debate against islam and calling it out for being a violent cult in its scripture, not "misinterpreted". youd probably consider goat fuckers based since they murder faggots and subjugate women so maybe that upsets you.

>> No.15488312

>>15488294
>the preponderance of evidence suggests that there is a type of person who is primarily seduced by atheism
Those with an IQ above 110

>> No.15488320

>The only reason atheists are atheists is because they are narcissists and and have a desire to go against god
People laugh at fedoras but forget that christians always argued like this, kek

>> No.15488327

>enter reality tunnel
>notice all the things it filters to you
>holy shit this story IS real
>works with basically any story
>atheism is also a story
>watch idiots fight over which story is more true
you're all just a bunch of idiots without spiritual hygiene. you will allow any shit story to defile that sacred space. it's like fighting over which alternate road is more real than the other. bitch all of them get you in the same place.

>> No.15488339

>>15488312
Yeah midwits are generally seduced by atheism. That 100-110 dead zone is where all the bad things happen, for example mass vaccination.

>> No.15488343

>>15488320
Eventually people realized Christians were right about everything, from the slippery slope of homosexual acceptance to the narcissism of atheists. That's the story of our century in everything really.

>> No.15488349

>>15488339
yes midwits are seduced by trending philosophies that give them a false sense of superiority, thats why they became atheist and why theyre christian now

>> No.15488351

>>15488349
Midwit narcissists hate Christianity because it makes them feel shame for their behavior. Midwits hate being accused for their evil ways so they shy away from it and embrace things like Soientism and homosexualism which they believe will let them be hedonists for free.

>> No.15488352

>>15488343
>faggotry is bad
agreed, what else did christianity get right?

>> No.15488357

>>15488351
you are the midwit narcissist. in this entire thread youve been depicting yourself as intellectually and morally superior, you werent there for when new atheism was popular yet youve been commenting on it, and you are aware that youre a lot younger than the people youre talking to yet continue speaking down to us.

>> No.15488359

>>15488352
Think of pretty much every social trend of progressive modernism this century and you'll realize Christians were right to warn about it in the last century. Sexual immorality, divorce, homosexuality, abortion, the equity cult, atheism, hollywood, etc.

>> No.15488362

>>15488357
>you werent there for when new atheism was popular
Actually I was a New Atheist when it was popular. Its heyday was when I did my undergrad.

>> No.15488363

>>15488359
>divorce
lol
>abortion
this was already done it just became legalized. its rife in third world countries
>the equity cult
Audibly laughed
>hollywood
?????

>> No.15488365

>>15488285
>Do you dare to feel good about yourself, goy? Do you dare to feel PRIDEFUL about yourself and your family, your nation! OY YEV! You are wretched! Don't you realize that we are the chosen people!

>> No.15488366

>>15488362
youre still in high school

>> No.15488372

>>15488366
Delusional.

>> No.15488377

>>15488289
>American social malaise
False belief of exceptionalism (due to puritan influence), false belief of the guilt of slavery or manifest destiny and desire to atone for them, false belief of equality (religious classic), materialism and individualism (heritage from Calvinism and Protestantism). Just rid yourself of this Jewish cult.

>> No.15488378

>>15488372
i guess i am. youre a christian so that means you cant lie, only atheists lie because atheists are narcissists and have no morality. when you said new atheists werent against sjw types, that must be true, because a christian cannot lie.

>> No.15488387

>>15488378
You are absolutely correct. As was said, for those who missed it, SJWs split from New Atheism during the Atheism+ schism, forming the Atheism+ movement and the smaller counter-jihad movements. They were all birthed from the same group originally but their religious ideologies diverged over the worship of browns.

>> No.15488392

>>15488387
let me guess you heard this on a youtube history video? sjws never had anything to do with atheism and its existence can easily be traced to earlier progressivism, like lgbt pride

>> No.15488395

>>15488392
>sjws never had anything to do with atheism
kek sure zoomer, that's why elevatorgate never happened right?

>> No.15488397

>>15488395
you are an obnoxious little cunt

>> No.15488400

>>15488395
>heres this event from 12 years ago
thanks for making it obvious what youre doing
looking in the wikipedia article it seems like many atheists in the community opposed her

>> No.15488402

>>15488397
Thank you for conceding. I hope you have a good rest of your evening.

>> No.15488404

>>15488402
youre responding to yourself not me >>15488400

>> No.15488405

>>15488400
>looking in the wikipedia article it seems like many atheists in the community opposed her
Atheism+ was a direct reaction to the proto-#metoo movement that happened at atheist conferences due to elevatorgate, in which SJWs launched their coup of New Atheism. You would know that if you were there.

>> No.15488409

>>15488404
Fascinating. Now I know you really are a narcissist to lie like that.

>> No.15488410

lol

>> No.15488411

No one cares about your supposed expertise in the history of political movements in the 21st century. Kill yourselves, pseuds

>> No.15488415

>>15488405
>claiming all of this 12 years ago
you watched some guys video on youtube. your post here is actually proving that new atheists were anti sjw.

>> No.15488422

>>15488411
he watched some guys video, no one would remember that. all hes doing is proving himself wrong since its just a bunch of woman trying to gain attention in a male dominated area, and those males getting angry.

>> No.15488426

>>15488415
The call was coming from inside the house.
https://archive.is/2ghOB

>> No.15488429

>>15488422
Wait, PZ Meyers is a woman?

>> No.15488431

>>15488426
what the fuck is this

>> No.15488435

>>15488422
>he
I'm talking about you too, pseud.

>> No.15488439

>>15488435
im not claiming to have expert knowledge on a "movement" that died ten years ago. i openly admit i barely remember. its this other faggot whos looking up news articles online to win the argument, even though by doing that hes proving me right.

>> No.15488442

>>15488435
If you so much not care, then why do you waste your time here, enlightened face sitter

>> No.15488446
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>>15488426
okay what does this prove, sjw is still the very natural evolution of lgbt proponency, all youre doing is showing me proof that new atheism was dominated by males who got mad at a woman coming in for attention.
>thick glasses
>cutesy hairstyle
>dyed hair
>coy body language
theyre always that same way

>> No.15488451

>>15488446
Well aside from the fact that they cucked completely and gave them everything they wanted, sure. Dawkins groveled at her feet.

>> No.15488456

>>15488451
im pretty sure you admitted moments ago that there was a large anti sjw atheist movement, doesnt sound like giving them everything they wanted

>> No.15488462

>>15488456
That sounds like another one of your narcissistic delusions.

>> No.15488464

>>15488462
>>15488387
>>15488405

>> No.15488470

>>15488464
Well at least you were courteous enough to get the quote to prove me right. Thank you for conceding.

>> No.15488471

>>15488470
>SJWs split from New Atheism during the Atheism+ schism
so there are anti sjw atheists, and then they split off. thanks for conceding.

>> No.15488474

>>15488470
>CONSNEED CONSNEEED YOU MUST CONSEEEEEEED
doctor's called, he wants you back in your padded cell

>> No.15488475

>>15488471
Sorry but you already conceded defeat by showing where I proved my point. Misquoting me to further concede your defeat isn't going to do anything for you.

>> No.15488477

>>15488475
where did you prove what? you literally say there that anti sjw atheists existed, and said that woman calling someone a rapist caused a huge uproar in the community. how is that a misquote when its exactly what you said?

>> No.15488478

>>15488474
Least mentally ill atheist.

>> No.15488482

>>15488477
Atheism+ won because the SJW anti-Christian faction was always the driving force behind the movement. They took over all the conferences and orgs, all the major figures bowed to them, and they forced the minority opposition into a hated status in counter-jihad and isolated "right wing" spaces. My facts defeat your cope utterly.

>> No.15488494

>>15488482
this was never a contest about anyone "winning", youve moved the goalposts from anti sjw atheists not existing to now being "losing" to another group. and this is all an extension to your claim that the atheism movement caused everything you dont like. and now the entire movement is dead, so no one "wins".

>> No.15488495

>>15488494
>youve moved the goalposts from anti sjw atheists not existing
Fascinating gaslighting. You really do argue like an atheist.

>> No.15488522

atheism is narcissism
atheism is the belief that there could not possibly exist an intelligence superior to your own

>> No.15488523

>>15488285
How do you know God forbids those things. Since nobody has ever seen God, you cannot say what God allows or forbids.

>> No.15488529

>>15488522
I'm an atheist and I admit they are beings smarter than me but Yahweh and his followers are among them. Now what?

>> No.15488535

>>15488285
>For example
masturbation
masturbation AKA self-love is extremely popular amongst narcissists

>> No.15488595

>>15488529
quite a paradox

>> No.15488602

>>15487951
>Hey bros you know how i was for the government taking your kids and locking you up in a concentration camp be abuse you wouldn't take an experimental injection for the flu created by psychopath serial killers who want to enslave you?
>turns out i may have seconds thoughts on that now that the hysteria is over
>tee hee
no amnesty, no forgiveness always remember who these people are and shame them for being the morons that they are whose judgement cannot be trusted

>> No.15488614

>>15487854
/thread

>> No.15488640

>>15487839
Its over neck beard bros.

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>> No.15488727

>>15488640
>>15488697
Fedorabros I don't feel so good...

>> No.15489005

If atheists believe in science then why can they never admit that the atheistic theory that there is no god is not disprovable and therefore not a scientific theory. The theory that there is a god is just as unscientific, but the people who claim to believe in god don't base their claims around science, they openly admit that the belief is based on faith alone.
Theists have a more sane and consistent philosophy than those who oppose them.

>> No.15489009

>>15487841
>>15487866
Their is no rational proof for your dogmatic belief in "No God".
You are ignorant, arrogant and infantile, from a purely rational and quantitative pov atheism has been a total disaster for society.

>> No.15489012

>>15487854
Particle physics is nothing but new age mysticism and astrology.

>> No.15489048

>>15487953
SJWs took over atheism
https://www.atheist-community.org/positions
>We stand by the right of transgender and gender-diverse youth to receive medically necessary, gender-affirming care and acknowledge that the provision of such care is not “child abuse.”

>> No.15489061

>>15489005
>believing in made up shit is the same as saying that made up shit is made up

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>>15489061
>believing in made up shit is the same as believing that made up shit is made up
yes, except the ones who believe in god are not dishonestly claiming that their belief system is scientific

>> No.15489075

>>15488183
Only the griftiest jewiest ones which accomplished nothing. You could say it contributed to an internet culture of iconoclasm but I think the opposite is true.

>> No.15489079

>>15488199
Unironically read more or some shit. Science was never supposed to be the dogmatic religion you "people" turned it into.

>> No.15489083

>>15488278
Pajeet tier

>> No.15489095

>>15489005
Which god? Thor? Jesus? Krishna? All of them are debunked because they contradict known scientific facts and possibilities.

>> No.15489096

>>15488298
>completely pointless reply
see >>15488298
>completely pointless reply

>> No.15489103

150 Academics speaking against god

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s47ArcQL-XQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gt4WSK_NlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHv__O8wvZI

>> No.15489112
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15489112

>>15489103
an endorsement for atheism from academics isn't meaningful, academics are the people who tell lie after lie in their "replication crisis" journals. nobody cares what dishonest people think on any topic, they will always just think up the most self serving lies they can think up

>> No.15489116

>>15489112
Your opinion is literally worthless

>> No.15489133

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1666591196980887554

>Following Freddie Sayers’ misleading tweet, let me clarify. I said that even IF religious belief is good for human flourishing, that doesn’t make it true. And TRUTH is what matters.
And I don’t for a moment deny that we would all be well advised to get Covid vaccination.

Lol, the seething trumpian antivaxx schizos in the replies are hilarious!

>> No.15489221

>>15489073
Have you not heard of creationists? Anyway, atheism has nothing to do with science, it's just a term to describe those who do not believe in gods.