/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15409103]

Help an annon out with a hard situation.
So, I'm trying to write my master's thesis, usign Chat GPT 4. It's in law. So far it's doing an absolutely briliant job with the structure and contents. However the references that it produces are a bit weird. I've checked like 90% of them and they are all real. However, when I go and look at the specific page of the specific book it quoted I can't seem to find the correct information. It's much more accurate when citing case law but with books and articles it fails. Not that it fails completely, the references are extremely convincing and are real, they just don't pass the final test of actually going to look for the exat quote.
Any of you who have experience in this type of thing. How likely is my supervisor to give me a hard time for this. She's super young and inexperienced as far as I can tell.

[Anonymous No.15409140]

>>15409103
I'm gonna have to be forward with you. even if you manage to pass with it, you're a fraud and have no speck of dignity or integrity.

it's not too late, go write the thing yourself. At least that way you can have something to be proud of.

[Anonymous No.15409209]

>"heh, you used spell-check while writing your thesis?"
>"pseud"
Welcome to 2023 grandpa.

[Anonymous No.15409212]

>>15409140
>>15409209

[Anonymous No.15409237]

>>15409140
>Lawyer
>Having dignity and integrity
You don't know any lawyers do you?

[Anonymous No.15409406]

>>15409103
You don't understand how it works so you think it can do magic. It's a Markov chain and fabricates statistically probable sequences of tokens from it's training corpus.

But you're obviously an idiot so I recommend you give up law entirely.

[Anonymous No.15409421]

>>15409103
>hai /b/, will you help me cheat on my master's thesis

A lawyer who doesn't like reading and writing? You're sure to do well at your chosen profession.

[Anonymous No.15409425]

>>15409103
I hope this is a joke.

[Anonymous No.15409434]

>>15409425
It isn't, this is the average method by students, people genuinely prefer to just use AI instead of doing things by themselves lol.
There is nothing wrong with using AI, but it's silly and boring.

[Anonymous No.15409440]

I've been trying out GPT3.5 and other LLMs for my own research (medicine, not law), and I have found that all models routinely make up fake citations, occasionally, these fake citations are extremely similar to a possible real citation which goes nowhere.
As a standard example, you are asking the LLM about x. You ask for a citation. The LLM looks for names which have published about x in Nature or Science and then makes up a paper using words common for x in papers.

From what i have seen, there is absolutely no relation between what you are asking the LLM to do (Verify your claim by giving me the source of the claim) and what the LLM actually does (Produce output which seems the most statistically likely to come after my prompt) as the LLM randomly selects from its absolutely massive collection of psuedorelevant midwit subreddit threads and Yahoo article comment sections.
I would like to highly encourage you to not do whatever the fuck it is you think you're trying to do. In fact, I will do so now. Please do not do whatever the fuck it is you're doing. It is stupid, and you should not actually go through with something this stupid. That said I've never actually used GPT4 so maybe it's a lot better in this respect sometimes for sure bro we fixed it for real this time haha no refunds btw

[Anonymous No.15409442]

>>15409434
>There is nothing wrong with using AI
There are plenty of things wrong with it. You can use a screwdriver to pound a nail, but that doesn't mean it's a good use of the tool.

[Anonymous No.15409448]

>>15409440
this. If you want to make your own research then just search the same things in different browsers (examples: Searx, Duckduckgo, Brave, etc...), and different platforms in general. also switching the key words and things like that.
That said. I don't get why is it that you don't make your own research, it really isn't hard, maybe you just don't have the time, which in that case I guess that I can understand that.

[Anonymous No.15409454]

>>15409442
Let me rephrase:

Using AI per se isn't wrong, using it for everything, and all the time is wrong.

[Anonymous No.15409476]

>>15409103
Wow, the text model just makes shit up, what a surprise.
And no, you can't fix this. First of all, it probably doesn't have those books in its dataset. Secondly, you are a dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.15409484]

>>15409103
Isn’t gpt going to replace lawyers soon? Goodluck with an obsolete degree that you obtained using gpt XD
The irony

[Anonymous No.15409507]

>>15409140
>t. science denying anti-AI pro-Russian poltard chud

Don't question the science, chud. There are no negatives or downsides to any modern science or technology, whatsoever, and any suggestion that there are is a racist, anti-American, transphobic conspiracy theory.

[Anonymous No.15409649]

I'm not trying to be insulting but why are you even doing an MA in law? You clearly have no talent or interest in the subject if you're turning to ChatGPT.

[Anonymous No.15409660]

>>15409103
>She's super young and inexperienced as far as I can tell.
The absolute state of acadummia in 2023.

[Anonymous No.15409673]

>>15409103
Imagine hiring a lawyer and getting 25 to life because he used chatgpt to do his master's thesis

[Anonymous No.15410464]

>>15409103
I used ChatGPT to write essays related to medicine. Whenever the subject was a tad complicated it just MADE UP the references.
Strait up, fake author, fake title, fake doi, fake findings.

[Anonymous No.15410512]

What you should do, since this sounds somewhat similar to writing a history paper
Is use it to find sources for a specific topic, that then narrows you down to which addition or translation or written text and which chapter possibly, since finding excerpts and pages seems flawed
Then you read those sources, find what you need in them
In this case you’re not relaying an accurate story, but trying to support an argument using preexisting examples that bolster it, and choosing good examples that are exact or extremely similar events

Use it to narrow down relevant sources in a mountain of shit
That honestly sounds like the only difficulty here, finding sources
The rest is ape level stuff

[Anonymous No.15410520]

>>15409103
They do it on purpose because they are going to make a product out of it. You have to treat it like the various other censorship mods and develop a prompt to work around it.

[Anonymous No.15411020]

>>15409103
could you give me your contact so I never, not even by mistake, hire you