/sfg/ - Spaceflight general

[Anonymous No.15405611]

Doomers absolutely BTFO - edition

previous >>15402938

[Anonymous No.15405614]

[Anonymous No.15405618]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmIqSPux3FY

Starship Spaces Update
a lot of juicy info like the pad didn't take that much damage and reiterating 6-8 weeks
most time consuming problem might be the requalification of a new FTS system as the old one was too weak for starship

[Anonymous No.15405620]

Michale Sheetz livetweets of the spaces update
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1652451971410935808

Threadreader with all tweets on one page
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1652451971410935808.html

[Anonymous No.15405622]

This is also info from the spaces btw

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1652484356424728578

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/29/elon-musk-spacexs-starship-costing-about-2-billion-this-year.html

[Anonymous No.15405623]

https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1652506390802358273

[Anonymous No.15405624]

>>15405623
https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1652506392333352960

[Anonymous No.15405629]

I appreciate this new News-schizo who posts a ton of links, articles videos tweets etc at the start of a new thread. Helps create a good shape for the thread even if some of it is nothingburgers

[Anonymous No.15405630]

https://spacenews.com/musk-predicts-next-starship-launch-in-a-couple-months/

Jeff Foust article about the spaces

[Anonymous No.15405633]

>>15405629
well easier to find the relevant stuff if its mostly at the start of the thread instead everywhere randomly

[Anonymous No.15405635]

>>15405629
its literally just the collagefag

[Anonymous No.15405638]

>>15405635
If so, you should appreciate that he isnt spamming anime or collages

[Anonymous No.15405640]

>>15405635
you would prefer I stopped posting these?

[Anonymous No.15405642]

>>15405629
I don't click hyperlinks. Any synopsis?

[Anonymous No.15405644]

>>15405635
Literally who cares? Anyone who is making good posts on here is fine, as long as they are making good posts. He could be Shelby, Xi, and ESGhound in a trench coat and I don’t give a fuck as long as the only posts being made are on topic and of a good quality. If collagefag has decided to stop avatarfagging and generally being gay and instead post about news, then that’s good for the thread

[Anonymous No.15405647]

>>15405642
not really an easy way to make a synopsis of this, its pretty long, different topics covered
its literally about answering different questions
the sheetz thread is probably the most concise summary but that is pretty long too

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1652451971410935808.html

[Anonymous No.15405648]

but if you want the screenshots, then here they are

[Anonymous No.15405650]

>>15405648

[Anonymous No.15405652]

>>15405650

[Anonymous No.15405651]

heavy launch today?

[Anonymous No.15405653]

>>15405651
yes, 15h

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFbp6PVbJQA

[Anonymous No.15405654]

>>15405624
wtf so it was real?

[Anonymous No.15405655]

>>15405653
hows the weather and is there booster return?

[Anonymous No.15405660]

>>15405618
Thank god for Elon doing this, and kudos to the space journos and all the questions, they covered almost everything. Also cool Elon said he'll do another in a few weeks

[Anonymous No.15405663]

>>15405655
fully expendable. ask berger about the weather

[Anonymous No.15405665]

>>15405663
i really should get twitter but non-anonymous social media and change scares me

[Anonymous No.15405667]

YO I JUST GOT AN INTERVIEW CALLBACK FROM GRAVITICS

[Anonymous No.15405668]

>>15405665
you can be pseudonymous, only twitter knowing your phone number and even that could be perhaps circumvented somehow (not sure)

[Anonymous No.15405670]

>>15405667
what are you going to do?

[Anonymous No.15405671]

>>15405667
congrats and good luck anon!

[Anonymous No.15405672]

Mush should just ditch space x and use the spin launch service

[Anonymous No.15405673]

>>15405665
80% favorable
-eric

[Anonymous No.15405677]

>>15405663
Primary source for Kennedy weather is Patrick
https://www.patrick.spaceforce.mil/About-Us/Weather/

[Anonymous No.15405678]

https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136
https://youtu.be/52dVfhgt_T4?t=694

[Anonymous No.15405679]

>>15405668
You can just use a hotmail which are retardedly easy to proxy.

[Anonymous No.15405680]

>>15405672
>limited to 200 kg payload 100 kg of which is reinforcement against launch forces
>still the same cost per kilogram as Falcon 9 if you buy a full launch
Yeah nah
I think kinetic space launch is cool but Scamlaunch isn't

[Anonymous No.15405682]

>>15405677
pretty good

https://www.patrick.spaceforce.mil/Portals/14/Weather/Falcon%20Heavy%20Viasat-3_1%20L-1%20Forecast%20-%2030%20Apr%20Launch.pdf?ver=mv-hbCSDXJdq01ATIMYYdA%3d%3d

[Anonymous No.15405685]

>>15405682
95% chance we gaan

[Anonymous No.15405686]

>>15405638
he is still trying to shape the thread in his autistic image

[Anonymous No.15405688]

>>15405667
>GRAVITICS
noice anon
you might be one of the first to be working with starship directly

[Anonymous No.15405692]

>>15405652
Fantastic, thanks.
"We will be the first thing to really be ready." Sad but true.
"They were tanks we wanted to replace anyway." Cope lol.
A little concerned about the reliability issues with the raptor engines but otherwise everything is fine from my perspective.

[Anonymous No.15405694]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yekMWWcpfOA

so apparently there are many different types of FTS systems, astras was to just stop the rocket engines for instance

[Anonymous No.15405698]

When are we gonna get the onboard views?

[Anonymous No.15405700]

>>15405686
pretty funny you have to come up with schizo conspiracy theories if people aren't just shitposting all the

[Anonymous No.15405703]

>>15405686
It’s a good image

[Anonymous No.15405705]

>>15405670
Mechanical engineering tech probably.

I used to work at Spacex as a prop tech but I got assblasted by long hours and shitty pay so when the pandemic hit I quit and went back to school to earn an engineering degree. Two years later and I realized that being an aerospace engineer actually kinda sucks balls and being an ET is way more fun (for me anyways) and pays exactly the same so I started applying to every unhinged aerospace startup I could think of.

[Anonymous No.15405709]

>>15405672
>use the spin launch service
>spin
They tried that with OFT-1; it didn't work.

[Anonymous No.15405710]

>>15405692
I'm not concerned about the raptors, the ones on the stack wre one of the first V2 raptors and are like 1.5 years old at this point, the newer ones are supposedly much more reliable and I would think they have actually data to back this up, i.e. long static fires at mcgregor
pretty much everything on the stack was outdated already, so this was as much a demolition as it was a test launch
I still wonder if the 4/20 stack could have launched
was it the FAA holding them back or was it truly that they just weren't ready with the tower for instance (but couldn't you launch it without some complex stage 0? just build something haphazard, quick and single use and launch it)

[Anonymous No.15405717]

>>15405629
I still miss the Rome news crier poster.

[Anonymous No.15405719]

Pre-emptive request: please dont post literal who twitter ragebait ITT

[Anonymous No.15405721]

>>15405705
lol you assume working for an actual startup is going to be better from a work/life balance perspective?
I guess it could be that SpaceX expects even more than some startups or on the same level, but working for any startup I would expect very long hours
good luck though, Gravitics StarMax seems like a cool concept

[Anonymous No.15405730]

>>15405719
you mean something like this?
https://twitter.com/DerekdotSpace/status/1652457927888732162

[Anonymous No.15405734]

>>15405721
Not him, but has anyone here worked for a space startup? I too applied for loads of them and never got anywhere and ended up in an entirely different industry lol. Everyone seems to only want to hire EEs or CS people. Anyone want to share their experiences?

[Anonymous No.15405741]

>>15405721
Nah I know the hours are gonna be shit. The pay probably won't be much better either. But if I'm gonna commit to being a "talent tech" rather than finishing my degree formally, I wanna have as many opportunities to grow my skills and experience as possible, and startups are where those opportunities are.

[Anonymous No.15405744]

>>15405741
what was your day to day life as a mech tech in spacex? what qualifications/experience did you have to get that job?

[Anonymous No.15405748]

>>15405679
qrd?

[Anonymous No.15405753]

Hear ye, hear ye! This is your faithful crier with the latest news from the heavens. This week, we have many wonders and marvels to look forward to in the sky, as brave men send grand machines venturing into the realm of the gods.

On Sunday, April 30, this very day, we will see the mighty Falcon Heavy roar into life from the land of Florida, carrying a precious cargo of ViaSat-3 Americas, a device that can send messages across great distances. The launch is scheduled for approximately 2329-0026 GMT on 30th/1st (7:29-8:26 p.m. EDT on 30th). The three parts of the rocket will not return to Earth, as they usually do. Instead, they will sacrifice themselves to deliver the payload to a high orbit.

On May 2/3, we will behold another spectacle from the land of New Zealand, where Rocket Lab will launch its Electron rocket with two small satellites called TROPICS-3 and 4. These satellites are part of a mission by NASA, the agency that explores the heavens for the benefit of mankind. The TROPICS satellites will study the storms and cyclones that rage over the oceans, and help us understand their behavior and patterns. The launch is scheduled between 0100-0300 GMT on 3rd (9:00-11:00 p.m. EDT on 2nd).

This news report has been sponsored by Zip Ties & More. TRUE AMERICAN JOBS FOR TRUE SPACE PROGRAMS!

[Anonymous No.15405757]

>>15405741
if you get equity and the startup is actually successful, then it could work out financially as well

[Anonymous No.15405761]

business idea: brit and aussie /sfg/ posters restart the black arrow program but using modern avionics and manufacturing technics ditch the third stage. our main funding stream will be our own governments who would throw money at us just to be able to say they had their own launch capability.

[Anonymous No.15405765]

>>15405730
Musk said
>T+27 seconds engine 19 lost communications, concurrent with some kind of energetic event that liberated the outer heatshield
But Sheetz transcribed it wrong as
>Musk: At T+27 seconds, SpaceX lost communications due to "some kind of energy event.
and everyone is quoting him.

[Anonymous No.15405767]

>>15405761
The UK/AUS are tossing about 10-50 million at their premier space ports and launch providers. Lmao.

[Anonymous No.15405769]

>>15405753
you're still here!

[Anonymous No.15405771]

>>15405769
I am not the true romeposter, but i tried my best

[Anonymous No.15405776]

>>15405761
don't both places already have some smallsat launcher startups?

[Anonymous No.15405778]

>>15405744
I actually came from Tesla of all places. I was a regional diag tech that tackled the problems that the techs at the service centers couldn't figure out. I was also part of the "tactical response" team that got shipped in to help unfuck early Model 3 production. I started off as a regular service tech. Prior to Tesla I ran the quick service rack at a Ford dealer, kek. Before that I worked at a tire shop. Spacex looks for "hustle" and "scrappiness" (their words) in their techs rather than super relevant experience. If your resume shows solid, consistent progression and eagerness to learn, you're a good candidate.

[Anonymous No.15405780]

>>15405776
virgin orbit just went bankrupt leaving spaceport cornwall as just a runway with some fancy signs and the rest are sounding rockets

[Anonymous No.15405782]

>>15405757
That is also my thought. Both the founders of Gravitics have a history of starting companies and selling them off after a few years.

[Anonymous No.15405783]

>>15405753
Dad it's sunday 6am

[Anonymous No.15405785]

>>15405698
never

[Anonymous No.15405790]

>>15405698
who knows. i wonder why we didnt get much in the first place

[Anonymous No.15405792]

>>15405778
pity i'm not american and my country doesn't gaf about making/doing anything.

[Anonymous No.15405793]

>>15405792
where do you live?

[Anonymous No.15405794]

>>15405761
My business strategy is the design of a Martian vehicle designed for exploiting surface gold deposits on Mars. I'm waiting on Starship to succeed and access to Mars.

[Anonymous No.15405798]

>>15405793
bongland, where jobs like that a few and far between and the ones that are are gatekept behind hr departments who would expect first class engineering degrees just to get a look in. experience counts for little (probably why we have so few industries desu)

[Anonymous No.15405799]

>>15405798
Why don’t you work for the Americans?

[Anonymous No.15405800]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNUNB6CMnE8

> No one, presently, sees the Moon rotate like this. That's because the Earth's moon is tidally locked to the Earth, showing us only one side. Given modern digital technology, however, combined with many detailed images returned by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO), a high resolution virtual Moon rotation movie has now been composed. The above time-lapse video starts with the standard Earth view of the Moon. Quickly, though, Mare Orientale, a large crater with a dark center that is difficult to see from the Earth, rotates into view just below the equator. From an entire lunar month condensed into 24 seconds, the video clearly shows that the Earth side of the Moon contains an abundance of dark lunar maria, while the lunar far side is dominated by bright lunar highlands. Currently, over 20 new missions to the Moon are under active development from four different countries, most of which have expected launch dates either this year or next.

[Anonymous No.15405801]

>>15405618
>Estronaut: "waw so like did you see the engine lighting and relighting that was heckin cool"
>Elon: "...uh...no...uh...we technically...uh, we didn't have relight logic..."
kek based Elon shutting down Tim's armchair engineering

[Anonymous No.15405802]

>>15405799
one does not simply work in american space companies.

[Anonymous No.15405804]

>>15405802
You can get exceptions, being British shouldn’t be any real barrier if you have qualifications. You could try working for Tesla first and use that to get work elsewhere in the US aerospace industries

[Anonymous No.15405807]

>>15405802
You're in an ITAR country, you literally can if you can get a work visa.

[Anonymous No.15405808]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1652594815031181314

[Anonymous No.15405810]

>>15405794
huh i have a similar idea for a remote operated/semi-autonomous tool carrier vehicle that can carry our various tasks once the colony has moved beyond the first couple of flag planting missions. think halfway between a skidsteer and excavator but with no hydraulics.

[Anonymous No.15405811]

>>15405807
i thought itar said you had to be american when it was to do with technology that could be used as an icbm.

[Anonymous No.15405816]

>>15405811
Anon fucking Kiwis and Aussies get to work in US aerospace. If you aren’t Chinese, Russian or Iranian you can get an exception at the very least. Actually I think Russians have been able to get exceptions too

[Anonymous No.15405817]

>>15405811
It's mostly about engines and guidance, but there's a LOT more that goes into building a rocket than just engines and guidance. Rocket Lab builds their engines in california but everything else happens in New Zealand with mostly local employees.

[Anonymous No.15405818]

>>15405802
wait for AUKUS to override ITAR
>t. Ausfag

[Anonymous No.15405820]

>>15405811
https://www.expedia.com/lp/flights/lhr/tij/london-to-tijuana

[Anonymous No.15405821]

>>15405816
>>15405817
then i was wrong. do they take sub-degree level qualifications? (uk hnc/d which is the equivalent of 2 years at degree level)

[Anonymous No.15405823]

>>15405800
Shake it baby.

[Anonymous No.15405824]

>>15405821
For techs? absolutely.

[Anonymous No.15405827]

>>15405824
maybe there is still hope

[Anonymous No.15405828]

>>15405821
fuck off we're full
euroshit immigrants bring their centuries long history of failure with them, every time one of you losers shows up over here things get worse for americans, you're not even welcome as tourists

[Anonymous No.15405830]

>>15405827
there is always hope, anon. keep us updated!

[Anonymous No.15405833]

>>15405828
anon, are you familiar with the history of America?

[Anonymous No.15405834]

>>15405827
one more question then i'll stfu because this is getting a bit off topic - can you boomer your way into work in the us by being that guy that just shows up and asks or is it all purely online applications? a short holiday to the us where you spend it putting yourself about isn't out of reach for most of us i imagine.

[Anonymous No.15405835]

>>15405827
we gon make it bros

[Anonymous No.15405837]

>>15405810
I'm planning more of a mobile, manned habitat with a bunch of life support and industrial modules powered by a Krusty rtg. Very different in most ways to your idea I suspect. It's unlikely to be practical until there's a Martian settlement. Probably it would be more sensible to begin with an autonomous rover and/or satellite capable of locating potential alluvial gold deposits but I'm not expecting to be able to kick this off within this decade.

[Anonymous No.15405839]

>>15405834
anywhere worth working will tell you to fuck off and check the website, unfortunately. Most places interview remotely and offer relocation compensation these days anyways

[Anonymous No.15405844]

>>15405837
from what little i know about gold exploration after a short stint helping a geologist in western australian gold fields it involves a lot of rog staring and core drilling and beer drinking.

[Anonymous No.15405846]

>>15405828
>the thing that made America is actually le bad
You American Indian or something? There is no at will immigration from Europe either. You need to have qualifications.

[Anonymous No.15405848]

>>15405808
called it
>>15404960

[Anonymous No.15405852]

>>15405835
we are going

[Anonymous No.15405872]

what did Elon mean by 40 second FTS delay?

[Anonymous No.15405874]

>>15405872
FTS didnt work

[Anonymous No.15405876]

>>15405874
oh I thought it exploded but didn't stop the rocket

[Anonymous No.15405880]

>>15405876
thats also not working. tank rocket is a tank.

[Anonymous No.15405882]

>>15405833
Are you familiar with the history of europe? Nothing but failure and more failure for most of the past two centuries, bringing that shit over here isn't going to do us any good.

[Anonymous No.15405883]

>>15405844
The beer requirements are the main reason an established presence on Mars is probably necessary first. It's impractical to carry the amount required around the whole time. Resupply is necessary.

Alluvial gold is a bit easier to find than anything you have to drill for. Martian geology is different to that of the Earth, though I'm still confident alluvial gold can be easily found by driving a river with the right sensors along dried up riverbeds. The dry riverbeds are probably already catalogued by NASA and this data will become commercially available at some point. For a substantial fee I am sure. Then it's up to the rivers to identify a deposit or few and the gold rush begins.

The future is bright.

[Anonymous No.15405884]

hydrogen trioxide rocket when?

[Anonymous No.15405885]

>>15405883
Rovers not rivers. But sometimes I did mean rivers. Broken autocorrect. Reader discretion advised.

[Anonymous No.15405886]

>>15405654
What do you mean? Of course this is a real image taken after booster RUD.

[Anonymous No.15405889]

>>15405880
so what happened

[Anonymous No.15405890]

>>15405889
this >>15405876

[Anonymous No.15405892]

>>15405883
martian brewed beer is not only essential for mining activity but would fetch a pretty penny on earth, e*rthers will pay good money for anything novel.
more business ideas right here folks, get em while they're free.

[Anonymous No.15405894]

hry everybody, lets have another good thread. love u guys

[Anonymous No.15405896]

they can easily fix the FTS and communication issues but the loss of TVC and the random explosion destroying some raptor shields hints at deeper problems with the Raptor. Not to mention that 8 engines failed

[Anonymous No.15405897]

>>15405874
How does this happen though? Its literally a radio link up to some explosives. There's no computing or anything to introduce any delay. Like imagine hitting the detonate button on a bomb, then nothing happens for 40 seconds at which point you've missed your target or already dead.

[Anonymous No.15405900]

the other anon said the FTS activated but didn't stop the rocket

[Anonymous No.15405902]

>>15405897
You're retarded and haven't been following the discussion around this at all.
The FTS blew a big hole in both ship and booster. It didn't rip apart the tanks so took quite a while to depressurize to failure

[Anonymous No.15405904]

>>15405896
>communication issues
stop repeating thrice regurgitated hearsay.
engine communication loss indicating an engine failure is what elon said.
also the tvc is an easy fix. engine reliability not so much.

[Anonymous No.15405905]

a better place to put the FTS would be at the bottom of the tank in the booster. That way all the fluid gushes out and maybe even some engines get damaged.

[Anonymous No.15405907]

>>15405902
>>15405897

see picrel, courtesy of reddit

[Anonymous No.15405908]

>>15405897
The FTS explosives detonated flawlessly, but noth Starship and Super Heavy were TOO sturdy.

[Anonymous No.15405909]

>>15405896
everything said is incredibly positive

[Anonymous No.15405911]

>>15405909
No you don't understand. SpaceX is going bankrupt and NASA should pick Blue Origin instead.

[Anonymous No.15405912]

>>15405904
>engine communication loss indicating an engine failure is what elon said.
source?

[Anonymous No.15405915]

>>15405892
It's very interesting to imagine how agriculture and horticulture will change plants on Mars. Increased CO2 and reduced gravity should increase plant growth. The reduction in gravity alone will make it easier for plants to suck up nutrients and water while requiring less expenditure of effort on supporting increased weight of fruits and seeds.

[Anonymous No.15405916]

>>15405897
it's quite literally a tank. the fts worked fine, but weren't big enough. it's a flying tank and so outside what we're used to seeing in that it's over engineered (a good thing for something reusable and capable of carrying humans).

[Anonymous No.15405917]

>>15405915
Imagine the weed strains.

[Anonymous No.15405918]

>>15405915
I think Mars has the same co2 concentration as Earth, but the reduced gravity will definitely have interesting effects on plants

[Anonymous No.15405919]

>>15405915
Elon Musk, from the twatter talk sheetz is paraphrasing

[Anonymous No.15405920]

>>15405912
Listen to the fucking spaces nigger.
Loss of communications with a single engine at first and then more as time went on.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iJ93kFiyPdc

[Anonymous No.15405921]

>>15405919
Meant for >>15405912

[Anonymous No.15405922]

>>15405917
cannabis is degenerate

[Anonymous No.15405923]

>>15405915
imagine being the first maritan hops farmer

[Anonymous No.15405926]

>>15405918
Well not according to >>15349240
It will be very easy to raise CO2 concentrations to levels optimal for plant growth and oxygen will be in short supply for some time. Moxie was a success but it consumes a great deal of energy.

[Anonymous No.15405928]

>>15405705
eurofag here
but what is an ET ?

[Anonymous No.15405929]

SEX WITH A SPACEPLANE?

[Anonymous No.15405931]

>>15405926
dumbfuck time but if plants consume a load more co2 do they produce a load more oxygen? is simply growing stuff the answer to several problems at once?

[Anonymous No.15405932]

well yeah you can obviously just compress Martian air to get a co2 density much higher than on Earth. Also rare minder that the increase in co2 concentration on Earth is significantly boosting plant growth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CO2_fertilization_effect

[Anonymous No.15405937]

>>15405734
I'm probably going to be applying to a bunch of startups in Germany and maybe in Ireland in 6 months. You guys got any advice?

[Anonymous No.15405939]

>>15405931
if they absorb co2 faster they will also be also making oxygen faster but on Mars the limiting factor for plant growth will probably be light not co2. Also the oxygen they produce would be mixed in with the co2

[Anonymous No.15405941]

>>15405931
Arguably oxygen production via organic synthesis through photosynthesis by plants is more complex than a device like moxie and has a much larger footprint and requires more infrastructure and labour etc. However given that we need food anyway, you could grow algae in particular to produce the bulk for animal feeds with plenty of bonus oxygen.

It gets more complicated taking into account required sunlight and the prevalence of dust storms but essentially yes. Plants are definitely a required part of the oxygen solution.

[Anonymous No.15405942]

>working nights quickly causes depression
this is the future of life in space colonies

[Anonymous No.15405943]

>>15405778
>>15405792
>>15405792
>>15405793
>>15405798
>>15405802
so I'm a mid 20s Germanon working for one of the le ebin german auto companies as a maintenance tech and hate my job most of the time (boomers everywhere, nothing to do most of my time at work)
I plan to quit this year and go to college for a degree in EE
but working for a space company is one of my dreams though
Do I have any chance at achieving this goal ? would working for Tesla Giga Berlin be the next obvious step ? or is college still a better choice (I could easily afford it, propably struggle a bit with my 110 IQ)
pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.15405944]

>>15405939
presumably you can scrub a human ideal mix out of whatever is happening in the greenhouses whilst also getting above average yeilds on crops? light idk will probably have to be a vast solar array and led setup.

[Anonymous No.15405946]

>>15405942
most people are depressed in modern western life anyway.

[Anonymous No.15405948]

>>15405943
this is not ESL life advice general

[Anonymous No.15405950]

>>15405943
>could I work for aerospace in america
Yes.
>would Tesla be a good starting point
Probably wouldn’t hurt.
>should I do college?
Go online right now and open up spacex, Rocketlab, blorigin and relativity’s career pages. Then see what they’re looking for for various positions

[Anonymous No.15405951]

>>15405944
Energy is going to be the limiting factor for colony expansion. Natural sunlight is sufficient for most plants and on Earth most plants receive far more light than they are able to utilise for much of the year.

[Anonymous No.15405954]

>>15405808
Moon is for gays, I don't ever see a realistic fix for the jello bones issue

[Anonymous No.15405956]

>>15405943
whatever you are doing work on getting american citizenship
its not hard if you aren't a brainlet
you should be doing the green card lottery yearly too

[Anonymous No.15405961]

>>15405951
>on Earth most plants receive far more light than they are able to utilise for much of the year.
living in a northern european country that is blanketed with cloud, darkness and misery for 364 days a year whilst also having very luscious vegetation, this does seem to be the case.
i guess the next problem is nutrients.

[Anonymous No.15405962]

>>15405951
>on Earth most plants receive far more light than they are able to utilise for much of the year.
wrong

[Anonymous No.15405963]

They should send modified Starlink payloads for both the early Moon and Mars test flights, all the shitty comm problems will be solved in an instant. Marslink would be based too

[Anonymous No.15405965]

>>15405961
This is why you grow algae, beans, potatoes, and farm shit like tilapia and chickens. Chickens are great for your soil. The hardest part would be the microbiome in the soil but I see that as more of a long term issue

[Anonymous No.15405966]

>>15405963
Musk is literally planning to do this for Luna and Mars

[Anonymous No.15405969]

Holy shit, Elon hadn't done such a detailed talk about spacex in a really long time. Also, fuck tim dodd, he interrupted him while he was still listing the things in the timeline.

[Anonymous No.15405971]

>>15405965
will we have to launch entire starships of shit just to get some actual soil over there?
>watching insprucker on the first 150 ton manure mission to mars

[Anonymous No.15405973]

>>15405963
SpaceX can't maintain steady communication to a rocket on Earth how the hell do you expect them to communicate with Mars?

[Anonymous No.15405974]

>>15405973
1/10

[Anonymous No.15405976]

>>15405971
Anon I expect the first manned mission to
Mars will include at least 3 cargoships with no people on them. I don’t think there’s ever going to be a serious concern about sending cargo starships to mars long term, so long as you’re staying in the double digits.
Theoretically you’d want to use your crops and livestock to enrich the soil but I didn’t join the FAA so besides my chick and tilapia knowledge I’m a brainlet. Crawdads might be useful in any waterlogged soil?

[Anonymous No.15405978]

>>15405961
I live in a fairly arid landscape so my perspective is different. Regarding nutrients it may be difficult to obtain nitrates and phosphate. On Earth we get nitrogen from our air and phosphorus is usually sources from fossilized bird droppings.

>>15405962
We could argue and split hairs but at the end of it all the truth is "it depends".

[Anonymous No.15405979]

>>15405976
i just find the thought of a bulk cargo starship that is solely dedicated to moving poo to the martian surface a funny but necessary prospect.

[Anonymous No.15405980]

>>15405973
Psychic willpower

[Anonymous No.15405982]

>>15405979
Imagine the RUD
>FTS activates over FAA building

[Anonymous No.15405983]

>>15405973
>SpaceX can't maintain steady communication to a rocket on Earth how
when did this happen

[Anonymous No.15405984]

>>15405954
spinning habs nigga

[Anonymous No.15405985]

>my grandparents emigrated to mars to shovel cow slurry out of the first soilships and now i'm a doctor
it is the new america

[Anonymous No.15405991]

>>15405984
This is our glorious future but the Moon and Mars are our stepping stones to get there. Lots of pseuds rave about asteroids but they haven't looked into just how difficult it is to mine and refine without gravity.

[Anonymous No.15405992]

>>15405984
>just spin your entire city sized surface habitat bro
I said realistic

[Anonymous No.15405994]

>>15405983
happens almost every F9 booster landing. They lose live video from the booster despite having thousands of satellites in orbit for just this type of thing

[Anonymous No.15406000]

>>15405994
plasma do be like that

[Anonymous No.15406001]

>>15405994
Curiosity lost connection during EDL too and the reacquired.
It's just normal during entry.
I don't see the argument

[Anonymous No.15406003]

>>15405979
Why not import field-shitters instead? Chickens are good because they’ll eat anything, they turn over soil and compost, and their shit is quite nutritious. Obviously cows have better manure but they also trample fields and probably couldn’t be raised on mars in any reasonable timeframe

[Anonymous No.15406005]

>>15405992
you can have multiple spinning habs and not everything needs to be in these
probably mainly sleeping and areas for children to be most of the time

[Anonymous No.15406006]

>>15405992
I did some math on this topic for a thread on /sci/ a while ago and worked out that using current technology it is possible to spin a 600m diameter habitat on Maglev rails and the energy requirements were also feasible. No I'm not doing it again.

More of a town than a city, with a 2km road around the circumference.

[Anonymous No.15406008]

>>15406006
>on Maglev rails
for what purpose?

[Anonymous No.15406011]

>>15406001
yeah Curiosity was surrounded by a shroud of plasma and was on Mars.

[Anonymous No.15406012]

>>15406008
How else would you propose having a 600m torus made of steel spin at around 200kph so the centrifugal forces reach 1g?

[Anonymous No.15406013]

>>15406008
probably less energy needed to keep it spinning if you levitate it magnetically
the moon is pretty cold already so you don't need to worry about supercooling the magnets as much

[Anonymous No.15406014]

>>15406012
>>15406013
oh sorry you meant on the lunar surface, i misread as non well dwelling spin habs.

[Anonymous No.15406015]

>>15406011
I don't see the argument. There is no basis for the assertion SpaceX somehow couldn't communicate to Mars.
It's basically a well established technology it's done every single day and all Nasa R&D on it is freely available to them.

[Anonymous No.15406016]

>>15406012
you could just use more conventional regular (or perhaps very wide) trains that go around a circular track

[Anonymous No.15406019]

>>15406015
they should focus on communicating on Earth first

[Anonymous No.15406021]

15406019
awful trolling

[Anonymous No.15406022]

>>15406019
Starlink is operational right now

[Anonymous No.15406024]

>>15406012
Why is it always 1g? Earf mentality, Just do 0.4g whether It's a spin station or Luna hab, even easier

[Anonymous No.15406025]

>>15406014
Nah, I was referring to an orbital habitat within a thick, protective shell stabilised by some kind of gyroscope. What would be an alternative?

Surface centrifuges are certainly an option though. Particularly for children and pregnant women.

[Anonymous No.15406028]

>>15406025
just spin the entire structure?

[Anonymous No.15406029]

>>15406016
Essentially it is a big round train carriage in space.
>>15406024
I like being human, though as a starting point for early space exploration I concede your point.

[Anonymous No.15406030]

>>15406028
How?

[Anonymous No.15406032]

>>15406029
but you wouldn't have similar artificial gravity at the center of the spinning disk, so spinning it a whole disk seems kind of pointless waste of energy
it would be a good location to get in and out though I guess as the rotation would be relatively slow

[Anonymous No.15406033]

>>15406030
build the ring or tube then spin it.

[Anonymous No.15406036]

>>15406022
hope they use it(Starlink) one day to livestream the booster landing

[Anonymous No.15406037]

Reminder that rail track spin gravity habitats are more retarded than space shuttles on the moon.

[Anonymous No.15406039]

call me ambitious but I think I could singlehandedly design a successful lunar lander in the cubesat size range that costs less than $20k

[Anonymous No.15406042]

>>15406039
publish the design and i will donate $200 (united states dollars (1/10th of your funding)) to your project.

[Anonymous No.15406044]

>>15406032
It's not a disk, it's a hollow torus and everything gets pushed to the inside of the outside edge.
>>15406033
Spin it how? You've said just spin it twice now. Psychic powers? Magic? What properties of the physical universe would you suggest as an alternative to Maglev?

[Anonymous No.15406045]

>>15406039
just the lander?
kinda useless ain't it?

[Anonymous No.15406048]

>>15406044
with little rcs rocket engines, am i being trolled? you get it going once then despite some possible little pushes if you're still in a tiny bit of atmosphere it spins forever.

[Anonymous No.15406052]

>>15406039
seems doable, but why bother?
what are you realistically going to do with something like that
if starship works you could instead go for a little hopper design?

[Anonymous No.15406053]

if you give me 1 million dollaridoos I will design you anything, trust me bro
no refunds though

[Anonymous No.15406054]

>>15406048
I considered rockets but discarded the idea for several reasons. Firstly the rate of rotation will decay over time and also needs constant adjustment due to movement inside such as the pumping of fluids from one place to another, the movement of goods and personnel etc. This consumes an expendable resource which must be replaced (the propellant) versus energy from solar panels or a nuclear reactor. Then you need a colossal amount of mass as shielding from impacts and radiation. Spinning the whole thing is very inefficient and expensive. Maybe there were other reasons as well but I forget them.

Here's where my limited knowledge fails me but I have considered that it may be possible to spin an entire massive structure like this eventually by interacting with the magnetic field of a massive planet like Jupiter but this is not entry level technology.

[Anonymous No.15406057]

>>15406054
you're quite obviously a retard / schizo

[Anonymous No.15406059]

>>15406054
all those problems transfer to a static structure with an internal spinning structure on rails only with many extra steps.
you could use body waste as your maintaining rcs fuel for how small losses in spin would be in a vacuum.

[Anonymous No.15406060]

Guys we talked about this. Just paint it checkkerboard like and it spins because of the sun. Perpetual motion

[Anonymous No.15406063]

>>15406057
From a bystander's viewpoint, you're the one making a fool out of yourself.
Put out a counterargument if you disagree.

[Anonymous No.15406064]

>>15406059
I prefer designs which are self sustaining over very long time periods which requires recycling of waste and no reliance upon external inputs. However, if you feel like you can come up with a competitive design go for it. I'd be interested to learn how much fuel it would take to reach and maintain sufficient spin.

[Anonymous No.15406066]

>When you are a recent grad trying to recover from <1yr of shitty employment in an unknown startup, no one wants to touch you with a 10m stick.
Can someone confirm this is true?

[Anonymous No.15406067]

>>15406052
>but why bother?
mogg all the countries and companies that failed to do a landing
>>15406045
it would have a camera

[Anonymous No.15406068]

>>15406063
How to spin it is simply not the critical question.
Just put an electric motor that can decouple or one of a billion other ways

[Anonymous No.15406069]

>>15406064
What if you just use meme electric thrusters relatively continuously

[Anonymous No.15406071]

>>15406064
the nerds will be able to give a definitive answer for a given diameter and weight but i assure you it's less than building essentially two rings within each other that run on magnetic bearings.
also no system is entirely without external inputs, including the earth. thermodynamics etc.

[Anonymous No.15406072]

>>15406067
>it would have a camera
a small sat with a couple of 4k cameras that didn't want to land but just orbit at the lowest possible altitude would be kino.

[Anonymous No.15406073]

>>15406068
I considered a spoke and central motor design also, however the strain of the centrifugal forces concentrate around the circumference and the rails support this strain better using less weight.

[Anonymous No.15406074]

>>15406039
I will do it for free

[Anonymous No.15406075]

>>15406073
You're a retard.
A motor with a gearbox in the middle doesn't exclude rails

[Anonymous No.15406079]

>>15406060
Interesting concept.
>>15406069
It's an option I suppose though seems more complex from my perspective.
>>15406071
Yea, I got some help with calculating the surface area of the torus. I'm an idealist and I aim for perfection so please don't remind me it's impossible ;)

[Anonymous No.15406080]

>>15406068
It might not be a big deal in fiction like The Expanse where they can spin up masses in the order of 10^20kg with scifi magic that they don't even bother trying to explain.

Reality is different.

[Anonymous No.15406082]

>>15406079
i believe chasing efficiency over everything else creates worse problems than building out and around those problems and simplifying things, and its a mindset that is really only seen in space flight and certain green movements.

[Anonymous No.15406083]

>>15406067
can you put a little rc car in it with a camera
could make your money back letting people remote control it

[Anonymous No.15406093]

>>15405926
Plasma cracking of CO2 is much more efficient and has been demonstrated.

[Anonymous No.15406098]

>>15406082
Some of us enjoy complicating thing in the pursuit of perfection. I have a pseudo religious belief that we should do everything in our power to combat entropy. The easiest ways are not necessarily the best ways. However the reality in this scenario is that trade and interaction with other orbital bodies is going to be a massive part of the purpose for these habitats and resources in space are abundant for a species as tiny as we are. Even if we filled the solar system with habitats, we could probably fuel our future from Jupiter's gasses alone until our sun burns out.
>>15406093
Big if true. I'm going down that rabbit hole thanks.

[Anonymous No.15406099]

>>15405618

[Anonymous No.15406101]

>>15406099
also, stfu captcha

[Anonymous No.15406104]

>>15406064
>I prefer designs which are self sustaining over very long time periods
Maybe you'd prefer living on a planet

[Anonymous No.15406106]

>>15406098
>Some of us enjoy complicating thing in the pursuit of perfection.
yes but you can contain your autism to oldspace/communist states/your hobbies.

[Anonymous No.15406112]

>>15405734
>>15405937
Try being fags, join your local lodge, shit like that.

[Anonymous No.15406113]

>>15405686
>he is still trying to shape the thread in his autistic image
sound kinda based if you ask me

[Anonymous No.15406114]

>>15406104
It terrifies me that at any moment the core of our planet could spill out and cover the entire surface of the earth in lava like what happened on Venus or that a similar process resulting in the release of toxic salts and the death of our core could occur like what happened to Mars. I don't know why anyone believes we are safe down here and I want to leave as soon as possible. So no.

[Anonymous No.15406118]

>>15406114
>at any moment the core of our planet could spill out
>release of toxic salts
>death of our core

[Anonymous No.15406123]

Fast forward a decade or two. Massive Starship fleets are under construction and the first few units are already operating in interplanetary capacity. By this time, the kids of zoomers are starting to enter the workforce. Just to make you feel old. And to get a sense of what kind of people will be running the world.

We have a new colony on Mars. It's far from self-sufficient. Just a handful of humans putting together infrastructure from the first cargo shipments that preceded them, handling unexpected situations that simple robots can't. Nothing will grow on Mars, everything must be inside domed greenhouses and planted on soil exported from Earth. Every plant growing space is going to require high tech manufacturing and materials in extreme quantities compared to their meager output. The project has been a huge money pit for everyone involved and it produces nothing of value to humanity.

Then what? Once the initial novelty fades, the public support for the Mars meme fades as well. Add in a big recession back here on Earth and Mars would easily be forgotten again. In all likelihood, all we learned were just new problems that we hadn't anticipated. It's just not feasible without a protective magnetosphere and inordinate resources spent on terraforming. Mars will never have a global biosphere.

[Anonymous No.15406124]

Are there any updates on the SpaceX EVA suit?

[Anonymous No.15406125]

>>15406114
mars is just so small it cooled down, you know earth and probably mars too are already 4.5 billion years old

[Anonymous No.15406126]

He’s gonna post his troonstonauts and flat earther shit every thread kek

[Anonymous No.15406128]

>>15406123
back on earth is a giant favela and the new world beckons

[Anonymous No.15406129]

>>15406118
I hope you're right but I can't trust anything that isn't properly understood. So off to Mars for my first good night's sleep where I don't have to worry so much about uncontrollable and poorly understood natural forces.

[Anonymous No.15406132]

vaccum collapse gamma ray bursts rogue jupiters

[Anonymous No.15406134]

>>15406123
>Nothing will grow on Mars, everything must be inside domed greenhouses and planted on soil exported from Earth
>It's just not feasible without a protective magnetosphere and inordinate resources spent on terraforming

[Anonymous No.15406136]

>>15406124
ask isaacman

[Anonymous No.15406139]

you have what is basically massive super strong steel showerhead pointing up

[Anonymous No.15406143]

>four ruffians break into my mars base

[Anonymous No.15406145]

>>15406136
I heard he makes his wife eat his poop

[Anonymous No.15406158]

the N1 program was a failure

[Anonymous No.15406161]

>>15406158
I heard Korolev made his wife eat his poop.

[Anonymous No.15406165]

>>15406123
>protective magnetosphere
Solved problem.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2111.06887
>The optimum solution proposed is completely novel, although inspired by natural situations and fusion plasma techniques. The solution with the lowest power, assembly and mass is to create an artificial charged particle ring (similar in form to a "radiation belt"), around the planet possibly formed by ejecting matter from one of the moons of Mars (in fashion similar to that that forms the Io-Jupiter plasma torus), but using electromagnetic and plasma waves to drive a net current in the ring(s) that results in an overall magnetic field.

[Anonymous No.15406171]

>The thing that we want to make sure of, probably most, with the next flight is that any kind of central nexus that affects multiple engines is extremely robust and with extra shielding, so that we don't have a single point that can take out multiple engines.
>And for sure, we don't want a single point that can take out thrust vector control, which is engine steering.
>The range of detail we can go into here is level 9 rocket wizardry all the way to how do rockets work.

lmao

[Anonymous No.15406173]

>>15405694
>as a private pilot...
is he gonna bring this up every chance he gets now?

[Anonymous No.15406177]

>>15406158
What's some good literature to read up about the N1? I can't find any books or papers that go into autistic detail on the design process, for practically any Russian program.

Hard Mode: Literature on development of Buran.

[Anonymous No.15406182]

>>15406177
>I can't find any books or papers that go into autistic detail on the design process
does someone have this but for the Saturn V?

[Anonymous No.15406188]

>>15406158
before its time

[Anonymous No.15406192]

>>15405640
Before posting ask yourself: is this garbage? Will anyone learn anything? Am I doing this just because I like it?

If you're just making art, please post somewhere else

[Anonymous No.15406194]

>>15406192
what the fuck are you talking about

[Anonymous No.15406195]

>>15406182
>https://history.nasa.gov/series95.html
See SP-4200 for like all the NASA programs. I haven't read it but SP-4206 seems to be about it.

[Anonymous No.15406207]

>>15405798
move to America my dude
if you're looking to actually work you will be welcomed with open arms
that is literally "the american dream"
work in a technical position and after 5 years you can naturalize and move into aerospace/defense/whatever

[Anonymous No.15406208]

>>15405808
The madman could make a permanently manned moonbase more easily than either the US or China.

[Anonymous No.15406210]

one interesting point that came up in the spaces was that the leading theory spacex has for the concrete breaking/shattering is due to the sand underneath compressing which caused the concrete to flex
so maybe the concrete was strong enough actually, its just that the foundations under the concrete weren't

[Anonymous No.15406213]

https://youtu.be/UOLLMkAHHQI?t=2639

[Anonymous No.15406216]

>>15405928
I believe it's "engineering tech", a phrase which occurs earlier in the post

[Anonymous No.15406218]

So, basically Elon's "analysis" is that they don't know what went wrong. Where is the much parroted valuable data, muskrats?

I also don't believe the ship lost TVC. In the vid you can see extreme gimballing while it was tumbling around. The elephant in the room is that the stack is aerodynamically unstable, and the flaps must go out.

Starship reentry will also be a big lulz, since there is no way it doesn't reenter engines-first. The flaps can't possibly turn around the ship once it gets in this position.

And super heavy is just too heavy to land. It will never land, let alone be catched in mid air. The tower will get rammed and destroyed in the first attempts.

[Anonymous No.15406220]

lmao
>6079 Smith, W.
>OCCUPY MARS! Haters EAT A BUG!
Which one of you did this?

[Anonymous No.15406222]

>>15406213
aww sweet, a schizo post

[Anonymous No.15406223]

>>15406218
this post is very low quality. Why do I trust an anime poster over 10,000 spacex employees that have landed a F9 booster eight trillion times already?
You'd better call up NASA too and let them know their HLS pick won't work

[Anonymous No.15406224]

>>15406218
1) The stack being aerodynamically unstable is 100% irrelevant, not a problem whatsoever to keep it stable actively
2) You will never be a woman.
3) Starship will re-enter belly first and reorient itself with the engines like they showed previously with Starship hop tests.
4) The tower is already able to lift super heavy. If the engines are strong enough to lift it off the pad fully fueled with a Starship on top, then hovering/doing a suicide burn with almost no fuel left and no Starship on top is going to be no problem whatsoever either. The only problem will be precision but SpaceX is already landing boosters precisely on a moving ocean platform, a nonmoving (or actually comoving and making it easier) tower arms seems like a similar level of difficulty.

[Anonymous No.15406225]

Elon Musk said that the Raptor engine throat has the highest heat flux of any device built by man which is likely wrong. Amazing how they delude themselves into thinking such things

[Anonymous No.15406227]

>>15405954
https://youtu.be/f-EKGsrq39E

[Anonymous No.15406231]

>>15406223
>>15406224
It’s the avatarfagging space elevator retard from /tv/

[Anonymous No.15406232]

>>15405971
There will be people and animals who have to eat and excrete. The shit problem takes care of itself. (They need to bring food at first to stay alive anyway.)

[Anonymous No.15406233]

>>15406231
I thought he was from /n/

[Anonymous No.15406234]

>>15405979
There will be people, animals and food. No one will import manure.

[Anonymous No.15406236]

>>15406008
Because there's both gravity and friction on the moon? Please point out anything I'm overlooking.

[Anonymous No.15406238]

>>15406233
Nah he went on about /tv/ and how he was only here cause he got banned from that board, posted a ton of starwars crap. He also posts mecha, trek, etc when he’s avatarfagging
He uses a lot of capslock and spaces out his paragraphs and says HAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.15406243]

>>15406003
Additionally chickens can fly in the Martian gravity which I think they would enjoy very much.

[Anonymous No.15406244]

>>15406223
>You'd better call up NASA too and let them know their HLS pick won't work

They know it won't work. Starship isn't even close to being out of the proof of concept phase. They're just holding off until Artemis 2 returns to quietly reassign the contract so even at their usual glacial pace, Artemis 3 will remain on track.

SpaceX may go bankrupt, but no one at NASA wants to get the blame for triggering it. Now say something about trannies to feel better, fanboy.

[Anonymous No.15406248]

>>15406244
>SpaceX may go bankrupt
do you have fetish for getting eye rolling (you)s or something, why are you reddit spacing (I say that as t. Redditor) and posting retarded takes with anime girls as the accompanying picture

am I being baited here

[Anonymous No.15406250]

>>15406244
The only other moon lander proposal literally requires negative mass.

[Anonymous No.15406251]

>>15406225
well which device has a higher heat flux?

[Anonymous No.15406253]

it's space time

[Anonymous No.15406263]

>>15406248
Calling out a hard break as "reddit spacing" will always be the tell of pound your keyboard, tearful frustration. Stay mad, little lady.

>>15406250
Qualify that.

[Anonymous No.15406266]

>>15405907
Kys redditor

[Anonymous No.15406267]

>>15406024
>Just do 0.4g whether It's a spin station or Luna hab, even easier

[Anonymous No.15406270]

>>15406263
> Qualify that.
are you aware of what the properties of the two other runner up contestants were?

[Anonymous No.15406276]

>>15406118
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_igneous_province

[Anonymous No.15406279]

>>15406276
yes those exist and have cause a mass extinction or two, but a large volcano eruption is quite different from "core spilling out"
the magma is not from the core and I'm pretty sure events like these aren't what caused Mars' core to cool down and plate tectonics to stop

[Anonymous No.15406281]

I remember when spacex was going to go bankrupt in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022. I also remember when Tesla was supposed to go bankrupt in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022.
How many more years do I have to wait?

[Anonymous No.15406282]

>>15406281
Another two id wager

[Anonymous No.15406284]

I remember when Tesla was going to have full self driving in 2013, 2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019,2020,2021
I also remember that the first SpaceX cargo ship was supposed to land on Mars in 2020.

[Anonymous No.15406285]

>>15406284
full self driving coming soon

[Anonymous No.15406286]

>>15406281
I have insider info, SpaceX is going bankrupt when Russia wins in Ukraine. Just two more weeks.

[Anonymous No.15406287]

>>15406282
ok

[Anonymous No.15406288]

didn't Musk say that SpaceX is going bankrupt if they don't launch a Starship every two weeks this year or something like that. And now he's saying they don't need funding

[Anonymous No.15406290]

>>15406284
its allready automated though, and it does have self driving capabilites - having been tested and proven in particular cities and areas, its more of lacking the tests and needing the gov to agree to letting self driving cars to go around everywhere

[Anonymous No.15406291]

>>15406279
>quite different from "core spilling out"
>the magma is not from the core
True, but a new LIP would fuck up any Earth civilization all the same. Then there are more speculative nasties like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verneshot
> Such an event may be forceful enough to launch an extreme amount of material from the crust and mantle into a sub-orbital trajectory, leading to significant further damage after the material crashes back down to the surface.

[Anonymous No.15406293]

>>15406288
well, after all, funding was secured

>>15406284
Don't you have to be stupid somewhere else?

[Anonymous No.15406294]

>>15406288
no, he said that if they don't fix the raptor mass manufacturing problems and thus have enough for Starship testing which is needed for Starslink V2 there is a small possibility of that happening if there is some massive and bad recession
but now Raptor 2 problems have been mostly fixed, they had to actually slow down production of the engines as they have too many of them now and are focusing on improving them instead (instead of mass production)

[Anonymous No.15406297]

>>15406290
"FSD" needs frequent driver interventions in urban areas.

[Anonymous No.15406301]

>>15406287
Similar to how I said two more as a joke, I am pretty sure this guy also said this as a joke considering all his current posts are praising SpaceX

[Anonymous No.15406302]

>>15406294
Why wouldn’t he just start selling engines off if they have so many? I’m sure there’s some companies that would want to fuck around with them.

[Anonymous No.15406303]

>>15406286
Unironically what happens to pockocmoc post ISS and after they lose in Ukraine?

[Anonymous No.15406304]

>>15406297
In really busy/complicated situations, for now. However, for the light/relaxed driving around town/on highways, its nearly solved for Tesla's FSD.

[Anonymous No.15406305]

>>15406297
Okay. Go tell /n/ about it

[Anonymous No.15406310]

>>15406303
I dont really know why Roscosmos has been around for this past decade, it never seemed to me like Russia had to means nor reason to stay up in Space. I guess they did threaten to pull out if Nasa didnt keep paying for the Onions seats

[Anonymous No.15406311]

>>15406303
Well they already lost Baikonur, so maybe Kazakhstan will buy the rest of pockocmoc for pennies after the collapse of puccia

[Anonymous No.15406314]

>>15406303
They won’t get a lot of buisness back. Baikanor woes. But the bigger problem is that they stole those Oneweb satellites and tried to hold the UK government ransom with them. They got a lot of revenue from selling soyuz launches, especially to the yuros. No one is going to do that anymore, you can’t put that fucking genie in the bottle again. You threatened a national government to try and change their domestic policy and you stole a company’s payload, no one is ever really going to trust you won’t do it again
The French however will happily buy soyuz launches again out of French Guinea because A6 will be delayed and they won’t fly spacex if they can help it, but that’ll be limited at best and that only happens if the war ends this year and sanctions go away

[Anonymous No.15406315]

>>15406310
>I dont really know why Roscosmos has been around for this past decade
Russian federation still needs a domestic spess operator to launch their military payloads. They're not really a business anymore, but a state apparatus.

[Anonymous No.15406316]

>>15406303
It's fucking dead already, China already threw them under the bus about any kind of new joint station kek

[Anonymous No.15406318]

>>15406316
Is it fair to say China has already leap frogged russia’s space capability?

[Anonymous No.15406324]

>>15406318
Eh
They’re worse than peak Soviet, better than modern Russia which couldn’t even do nauka right over 4 decades. But they can’t sell their launches to anyone

[Anonymous No.15406326]

>>15406220
What?
is this from the environmental comment period?

[Anonymous No.15406329]

>>15406318
Yes, in the sense that modern Russia cannot build Mir VW while the changes have already half completed theirs. If anything India will be the third space power behind US and China within a few years lmao, if they can get their manned capsule working

[Anonymous No.15406331]

>>15406098
>reduce entropy
retarded point of view, life is an entropy producing machine: we need to maximize entropy. A fucking rock, or even better, nothing, is fantastic at not producing entropy, everything interesting is shit at it.
Producing spinhabs would produce huge amounts of entropy due to all the waste heat involved.

[Anonymous No.15406332]

>>15406324
I think there’s a good argument for them being at peak soviet levels pretty quickly though. Lunar sample return? Successful Mars rover and orbiter? A large station? These are all staples of soviet space
(pic is luna 16)

[Anonymous No.15406333]

Total astronomer death

[Anonymous No.15406335]

>>15406324
I'm gonna say China's space program is approaching peak soviet rapidly and already exceeds it in some fields.

[Anonymous No.15406338]

>>15406314
Feels bad man

[Anonymous No.15406340]

>>15406302
that sounds like its more effort than its worth, they don't need money

[Anonymous No.15406342]

Lunar Gateway and Starship

[Anonymous No.15406343]

>>15406314
>>15406338
I will miss the russians as space frens, it just wouldn’t be the same trying to do missions with pajeets or chinks. But they really dug their own grave. I will cherish the good days and press S at the same time

[Anonymous No.15406347]

>>15406314
>they won’t fly spacex if they can help it
Why is that? I mean, if Soyuz is the alternative...

[Anonymous No.15406350]

>>15406342
>will hold merely 2 (two) diversity crew members for Artemis III
thanks I hate it

[Anonymous No.15406351]

>>15406347
Because the French hate spacex and it’s politically embarrassing for Arianespace

[Anonymous No.15406352]

>>15406302
You don't just throw a random engine on a rocket, it takes a long time to do the integration to make it fit, since there's nothing like a standard rocket mount.

[Anonymous No.15406356]

>>15406342
When will they accept that simply launching Starships and using their fuckhuge volume to loft big space station parts is better than using all the 30-year-old types of small space station modules?
Asking for a friend.

[Anonymous No.15406358]

>>15406350
Oh shut up, early shuttle flights only carried 2-4 people at a time. And stfu about diversity that’s not what this is about. Be happy NASA astronauts aren’t pozzed trannies, at least they are qualified and interesting people. I’d take glover, kim, and rubins over some unqualified “mission specialist” retard

[Anonymous No.15406360]

>>15406351
Business decisions of that scale shouldn't be based on hurt feefees. Ah well, maybe Ariane 6 will work out somehow.

[Anonymous No.15406364]

>>15406318
Absolutely
>successful human spaceflight program
>launching interplanetary missions and telescopes
>modernizing their rocket fleet much quicker
>are launching a few times as many rockets
>has several SpaceX rocket clones in the works

[Anonymous No.15406365]

>>15406360
Everything the French do is because of butthurt

[Anonymous No.15406368]

>>15406294
He didn't say they had to slow production, he said they can afford to, and focus on improvements. Very big difference.

[Anonymous No.15406371]

>>15406365
lol

[Anonymous No.15406374]

>>15406365
they are the most insufferable nationality I know

[Anonymous No.15406377]

>>15406358

[Anonymous No.15406379]

>>15406368
yeah maybe I should have worded that differently, I didn't mean they literally *have* to slow it down, but making shitloads of engines that are about to become obsolete and storing them in a warehouse is kind of pointless

[Anonymous No.15406382]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSNtifE0Z2Q

[Anonymous No.15406383]

>>15406374
Vatniks are intolerable subhumans but some Russians are decent
Indians are universally self aggrandising nepotistic clan obsessed retards, the ones born in the west become sociopaths or SJWs
Chinese are Chinese but at least when raised overseas they’re people
Germans will blow smoke up your ass about how actually everyone in Europe likes and trusts their government and their energy policy is actually really good and they also have the best industry in the world and actually their military is the best in Europe and and and
In my opinion French at least have things to be proud of, so they’re above Indians, Chinese and Russians, but worse than Germans - but only because neither wears deodorant

[Anonymous No.15406384]

Next case study: realistic rock faces, studio ghibli-style clouds
Down the road plan: ability to draw CRT displays with glowing colors so I can do the LM interior, or the shuttle interior, or something like that. I don’t watch anime but I love the way screens look in neon genesis

[Anonymous No.15406385]

why dont they just pour the steel into the hole?

[Anonymous No.15406389]

>>15406244
>They know it won't work. Starship isn't even close to being out of the proof of concept phase. They're just holding off
This.
And in the gobt payload market they are just making time for ULA to finish their normal heavy lifter that NASA and the space farce will very much prefer over an independent billionaire that openly and constantly "defies" the system.
The moment this happens SpaceX is out of the game.

[Anonymous No.15406394]

>>15406347
Soyuz from Kourou is not going to happen unless Russia gets out of Ukraine.

>>15406351
This. The French are really butthurt about their predictions being all wrong.

>>15406360
Do not underestimate the power of French butthurt.
They literally built an aircraft industry just to spite the Americans and British, same for their nuclear industry.

But Ariane 6 is a dead end,. they know it, they have known it for at least six years, but they need something to bridge the gap to a re-usable Ariane 7
But there is always a Euro-political side to Ariane, too. Which means that the decision-making process is complicated and often ends up taking way too long.

[Anonymous No.15406397]

>>15406389
^This. So much this.

[Anonymous No.15406398]

>>15406382
Curiosity rover spare wheel, made from a single billet of aluminum and machined down

[Anonymous No.15406402]

>To meet those mass limitations, they made the skin 0.7mm thick
This is your brain on mass autism

[Anonymous No.15406403]

>>15406224
>Starship will re-enter belly first and reorient itself with the engines like they showed previously with Starship hop tests.
A hop is one thing, a reentry at orbital speed is a completely different game.

>a similar level of difficulty
Catching a booster of that weight in flight is a stunt that no serious engineer would ever propose. It is stupid and unnecessary. This is the kind of stuff that will make SpaceX fall behind their competition.

[Anonymous No.15406408]

>>15406385
molten steel?
that sounds like a complicated project and not something you can just do with conventional building like pouring concrete
so needlessly complex and costly, more difficult to modify, probably some environmental regulations that would slow it down even more
the point is also to cool the steel plate down actively, not just let it melt

[Anonymous No.15406409]

>>15406398
>>15406402
Steelchads we just can't stop winning

[Anonymous No.15406418]

>>15406403
but it is necessary if you want truly quick turnaround and cadence

[Anonymous No.15406423]

>>15406382
I have known about memory metals for a long time but seeing actual applications is always cool

[Anonymous No.15406425]

Who needs wheels when you can just ISRU a little monopropellant and hop everywhere

[Anonymous No.15406432]

Steel is a MANS material, not some sissified carbon fiber that costs 10x more.

[Anonymous No.15406434]

https://twitter.com/Tazerface16/status/1652666948835233792
At some point, reality will set in and Musk fans will notice that SpaceX isn't launching Starships anymore .

[Anonymous No.15406438]

>>15406434
Thanks for letting me know who to block. Does anyone else have block recommendations for twitter?

[Anonymous No.15406440]

>>15406418
Oh, cmon. What is the problem with just landing them like F9s and recovering them with a crane. The notion that you are going to enjoy such business demand is not realistic, and from the technical point of view shows Shuttle levels of naiveness.

Every machine needs inspections, especially rockets that suffer metal fatigue, structural stress, and huge thermal oscillations. The engines are also vulnerable to rain, insects and birds on descent.

[Anonymous No.15406442]

>>15406440
Having a tower catcher or not has nothing to do with the points you just brought up

[Anonymous No.15406444]

>>15406434
They have been screeching over Hullo's slow FTS hypothesis for days, only to see Elon himself admitting to it yesterday.

[Anonymous No.15406445]

>>15406342
what's that inflatable module on gateway? i havent seen any inflatables as part of the official design.

[Anonymous No.15406448]

>>15406434
>Literal who
>Posted in /sfg/
>Probably samefag
many such cases

[Anonymous No.15406449]

Good Morning /sfg/!
Ahhhh ria is so cute and talented.
She's live right now but I won't post link since it's not space flight ;)
Looking forward to the falcon heavy stream later today.

[Anonymous No.15406452]

>>15406445
That’s your mom actually

[Anonymous No.15406453]

>>15406440
That’s not a quick turnaround with what SpaceX plans to do. Remember they need to be launching a dozen starships a day to do everything from refueling depots, getting depots in to orbit, getting actual transport vehicles in to orbit to prep for Trans-Martian injection, and allot more. If they want to be able to do refueling of depots quick, they need to be able to basically land the Starship or booster, and get it refueled basically immediatly both with propellant to go up and payload. Then they need to send it right back off. If you catch the booster, there’s no need to wait for the thing to get back from a barge, and then you also immediatly catch the returning fueling Starship and wait for the booster to finish. Then you refuel the Starship simultaneously and stack the things right back up and get ready for launch. This is all in prep for MASSIVE amounts of Starships being sent out Btw I didn’t read the second paragraph hold on

[Anonymous No.15406454]

>>15406442
He said cadence was the reason for the catching approach.
If I remember correctly the shuttle was also going to launch 6 gorillion times a year, only to realise that reusing is hard.

[Anonymous No.15406457]

>>15406432
*60x more

[Anonymous No.15406458]

>>15406449
Would be a shame if someone linked it
https://www.youtube.com/live/UnQAqiTOzeI

[Anonymous No.15406461]

>>15406453
>a dozen starships a day to do everything from refueling depots, getting depots in to orbit, getting actual transport vehicles in to orbit to prep for Trans-Martian injection
Not sure if this is some fine irony or not.
There are the likes that would actually believe this.

[Anonymous No.15406462]

>>15406303
russia will win the war. post iss...2030s time frame is a long time away, by then china might invite them back on their moon program.

[Anonymous No.15406473]

>>15406461
For refuelling missions it needs to be fairly rapid
So even just a single launch to the moon requires multiple tabker flights quickly

[Anonymous No.15406474]

>>15406434
There are better examples of Twitter faggotry out there, this guy stated it will take a year to repair the pad.

[Anonymous No.15406478]

>>15406474
>astrophysicist
>mission planning
Doesn’t that mean his job is mass autism and getting gibs?

[Anonymous No.15406480]

>>15406461
I’m just gonna ask then, how do you expect any Martian infrastructure to happen if we don’t put shit tons of mass in to orbit ready for the Mars transfer window. This is a long term goal, ofcourse it would just be easier to catch them on a barge or a landing pad in the short term. If you’re only sending maybe 5 Starships (one month to put things in orbit means 4 launches to refuel the depots for 1 ship so 1 ship a day) every two fucking years then how do you expect anything to happen? This cadence can’t keep happening for the rest of humanity’s days or we will be stuck here.

[Anonymous No.15406482]

[Anonymous No.15406484]

>>15406434
>First comment is someone saying government will take over SpaceX
Your brain on hydrogen fuel

[Anonymous No.15406487]

>>15406482
That artist is Australian btw

[Anonymous No.15406489]

>>15406462
As far as I know Russia is still a major partner in ILRS. Has this changed?
Also just now learning that NASA has potential payloads flying on Luna 26, which would mean some american hardware might make it to the chinese-russian lunar project which I find super interesting.

[Anonymous No.15406491]

>>15406474
Total academic death

[Anonymous No.15406494]

>>15406484
And HRT and NASA and Astra and RL and communism and SpinLaunch and EDS and any other popsci mindmush spacelaunch startup

[Anonymous No.15406495]

>>15406478
I don't actually believe he has a real job, it appears he is a failed youtuber that makes daily videos like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XamNyySOaZE

[Anonymous No.15406499]

>>15406474
How does he find his academic background remotly relevant to whether its wasted money to attempt Starship, what textbook did he read in astrophysics that tell him this?

[Anonymous No.15406501]

>>15406440
>The engines are also vulnerable to rain, insects

[Anonymous No.15406502]

NERVA is the only way to save Super Heavy

[Anonymous No.15406505]

>>15406495
Actual schizo behavior

[Anonymous No.15406508]

>>15406505
This guy is the one amongst you whom toldest me to buy bonds wasnt it?

[Anonymous No.15406512]

>>15406505
Well he is at least a professor, at a community college...

https://www.crunchbase.com/person/houston-wade

[Anonymous No.15406513]

>>15406505
>gme
Lmao

[Anonymous No.15406515]

>>15406501
I miss cheesy sci fi shows. Now everything is le grimdark or too serious

[Anonymous No.15406517]

>>15406512
I guess the actual missions in his so called mission planning job is to plan the outing to the local wildlife park so he can take the kids hiking for the first time in their lives, teach them about the woods and the mushrooms

[Anonymous No.15406519]

>>15406513
>>15406508
This dudes entire YouTube catalog is basically bad financial advice. It’s almost all #GME #AMC and like, a few Schizo videos about muh science muh Supreme Court
>>15406512
LMAO

[Anonymous No.15406522]

>>15406495
>We forced a bunch of straight and gay people to watch porn for 2 hours straight, the homophobic people actually had more arousal than homos themselves
Kill all psychoterrorist scum, roundhouse kick a psykker into the fucking concrete

[Anonymous No.15406525]

>>15406512
Found his startup with a link to their website
https://www.ec0mission.com/

[Anonymous No.15406526]

>>15406474
He has a degree in mission planning but isn't using it
Huge red flag

[Anonymous No.15406533]

>>15406525
>aussie
Goto bed and stop cyber stalking people

[Anonymous No.15406534]

>>15406525
Ofcourse he’s an e*rther

[Anonymous No.15406535]

>>15406533
Gnight cunts
When I wake up I hope to see some interesting retardation in the thread

[Anonymous No.15406538]

>>15406535
Nothing is happening for 8 weeks

[Anonymous No.15406539]

[Anonymous No.15406544]

>>15406515
I miss her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k14rgilix7s

[Anonymous No.15406547]

>>15406544
is starship troopers worth reading? only seen the movie
NO IM NOT COLLAGEFAG, I JUST LIKE CIRNO

[Anonymous No.15406548]

>>15406519
>>15406505
Definitely a /biz/let

[Anonymous No.15406550]

>>15406302
why would wanna but a rocket with such an abysmal failure rate?

[Anonymous No.15406551]

Goddard was right. we must put engines at the top of rockets, not below

[Anonymous No.15406553]

>>15406544
Dizzy still best girl

[Anonymous No.15406555]

>>15406382
now back to reality

[Anonymous No.15406556]

[Anonymous No.15406557]

>>15406551
Seems like a great way to melt your Starship hull

[Anonymous No.15406559]

>>15406547
Yeah.
Read Moon is a Harsh Mistress and Starship Troopers. They're Heinlein's best.
You can skip Stranger in a Strange Land and his later books that involve """free love""" (incest).

After reading Starship Troopers give The Forever War by Joe Haldeman a read.

[Anonymous No.15406560]

>>15406547
The book is better scifi but misses the cheesy accidentally-approving-of-fascism-because-Hollywood-doesn't-understand-right-wing-thought aspect of the movie.

[Anonymous No.15406562]

>>15406432
Aluminum is pretty feminine as well

[Anonymous No.15406563]

>>15406547
It's Heinlein kino

[Anonymous No.15406565]

>>15406551
So true

[Anonymous No.15406567]

>>15406560
>accidentally-approving-of-fascism
every time hollywood tries to portray fascism negatively it always ends up being the better (and cooler) choice. star wars,starship troopers, etc

[Anonymous No.15406568]

>>15406544
fucking lucky bastard

[Anonymous No.15406569]

>>15406556
The random ass floating CD, because this is supposed to be the future lol

[Anonymous No.15406571]

speaking of milled aluminium

[Anonymous No.15406570]

>>15406560
You are genuinely not as intelligent as you think you are and don’t understand Verhoeven at all

[Anonymous No.15406572]

>>15406565
Wouldn't the radiation spewing out the back kill the crew like that?

[Anonymous No.15406573]

>>15406551
Gross. I bet he prefers FWD cars too.

[Anonymous No.15406575]

mysterious Perseverance part

[Anonymous No.15406577]

Do we know how the d*pot will keep the propellants liquid?

[Anonymous No.15406578]

>>15405652
>"We do not anticipate need to raise funding..."
>"Will do the 'standard thing where we provide liquidity to the employees'

Basically, they'll have "funding" rounds but the purpose is to allow employees to offload their shares as they need it.

[Anonymous No.15406579]

>>15406572
NTRs don't have fission products in their exhaust

[Anonymous No.15406585]

>>15406402
Launch on an Atlas and you get what you deserve.

[Anonymous No.15406588]

>>15406547
definitely
it's a fun and well made movie, but it's the ultimate anti-adaptation
the entire spirit of it is completely flipped the other way around and all the ideas how future wars might be waged is completely lost on the movie version

[Anonymous No.15406589]

>>15406216
Nah, SpaceX has actual Extra Terrestrials on the payroll.

[Anonymous No.15406593]

>>15405511
>>15405514
SpaceX is here

[Anonymous No.15406594]

[Anonymous No.15406601]

>>15406385
Water, or even wet things, and molten steel do not play well together.

[Anonymous No.15406605]

>>15406434
>Starship is going away.

>It will never be a viable program.

>This has nothing to do with my feelings about Musk and everything to do with engineering.

>Are you an engineer?

This guy has got to be the most insufferable, delusional starship skeptic the likes of css and esg

https://twitter.com/Tazerface16/status/1652683190363111424

It's going to be so satisfying to see them proven wrong and the smug arrogant cunty attitude disappear with Starships ascent to orbit

[Anonymous No.15406609]

>>15406601
Molten metals and sakts in general all has the same issue of when being dropped into liquid, or having liquid drop into it - it tends to cause what some may call, an Osha violation. I on the other hand call if a fireworks show

[Anonymous No.15406617]

>>15406579
Yes they do and it's why regulations don't allow the open-air testing of nuclear thermal engines, unlike the NERVA days

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/42699520.pdf

[Anonymous No.15406618]

reminder that SpaceX is building a giant showerhead under the rocket

[Anonymous No.15406620]

>>15406605
Good lord that reddit spacing is attrocious. Go back right the fuck now.

[Anonymous No.15406621]

>>15406620
reddit spacing isn't a thing you fucking retard go look at old 4chan posts

[Anonymous No.15406623]

[Anonymous No.15406624]

>>15406538
3 weeks until another starship spaces update from elon

[Anonymous No.15406626]

>>15406623
>more spayss playn autism
The skittle was an unprecedented failure

[Anonymous No.15406627]

>>15406624
Two more weeks*
You will never hear anything again.

[Anonymous No.15406628]

>>15406578
yeah they have those like 2 times a year or something, the company isnt getting any money through those though

[Anonymous No.15406634]

>>15406263
Nigger, there's not much to qualify. NT was barely a promotional render amd alpaca had a negative mass margin.
You've... read the source selection documents and the lawsuit released documents, haven't you? It'd be completely embarrassing and pathetic to come here to give an opinion about HLS if you haven't done that most basic reps, after all...

[Anonymous No.15406635]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1652702299884761088

[Anonymous No.15406637]

>>15406618
oy vey!

[Anonymous No.15406641]

>>15406559
Warning: reading The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress WILL make you want to learn more about the structure of insurgencies and tempt you to put that knowledge into practice.
In other words, it should be required reading for all people.

[Anonymous No.15406645]

>>15406637
Hahahah

[Anonymous No.15406647]

>>15406641
would the triangle whatever method of securing a secret org's safety actually work?

[Anonymous No.15406649]

>>15406408
what you just fill the hole with a bunch of steel bars then do a static fire. they have everything they need. someone tweet this is musk pronto

[Anonymous No.15406660]

>>15406434
they're still going on about the hyperloop? wasn't that just some idea elon had that he then "open sourced" lmfao

[Anonymous No.15406663]

>>15406623
>>15406626
And yet that concept is better than the actual shuttle turned out to be.

[Anonymous No.15406664]

>>15406649
no, just fill it with sand, put concrete on top and then the water cooled steel sandwich/fountain

[Anonymous No.15406666]

>>15406647
The real issue isn't structure, but communications. The structure is good, fairly robust to infiltration/subversion/takedown, but without secure comms you can only get so far. This is why Mike's control of the phone system was so critical.
To emulate the same thing, you'd basically need to write your own non-compromised equivalent to Signal or whatever, and ensure that backdoors not only don't exist, but can't be introduced.

[Anonymous No.15406669]

>>15406647
it's what Al-Qaeda uses (more or less)

[Anonymous No.15406675]

>>15406666
signal is secure

[Anonymous No.15406679]

>>15406666
Hello double satan

[Anonymous No.15406680]

>>15406593
This particular chart is graphing local efficiency in rebounding sound; it doesn't represent the resulting effects on its surroundings.

[Anonymous No.15406681]

>>15406675
piss off fedboy

[Anonymous No.15406689]

>>15406681
you aren't one of those schizos who thinks their protocol has been compromised by the NSA right? Zimmerman frowns on your pessimism

[Anonymous No.15406691]

>>15406635
That's in full expendable mode, right?

[Anonymous No.15406692]

>>15406691
yes

[Anonymous No.15406693]

>>15406692
Alright. Wake me up when I get to see more dual boosters doing sync landings

[Anonymous No.15406695]

>>15406669
what does CIA use?

[Anonymous No.15406697]

> The United States Government had long regarded cryptographic software as a munition, and thus subject to arms trafficking export controls.

[Anonymous No.15406700]

fully expendable planets

[Anonymous No.15406701]

>>15406697
you zoomers weren't around for the crypto wars eh? I still have a hard copy of PGP from then. Can't ban books lol

[Anonymous No.15406702]

I can't wait for musk to be brought before the hague for his crimes against ground nesting birds

[Anonymous No.15406703]

>>15406570
>let me tell you about your political beliefs
Death of the author applies here. What Verhoeven intended doesn't mean anything if the audience interprets it differently. People who already hold fascist beliefs will see Starship Troopers as an affirmation of the superiority of fascism to current forms of democracy. Satire falls flat when it relies on pointing out "this is what fascists actually believe!" and the fascists agree. The casting choice to make Rico a blue eyed white man instead of a brown Filipino, as a character from Buenos Aires, was a notable self-own. Verhoeven's intent was to show "Nazis are bad" but it came across as a hopeful view of making Argentina a white-ruled nation again, and to the belief in Hitler's escape to South America, which a few years ago was given new life by possible local sightings of Hitler in Colombia and Argentina being noted in a release of CIA files from the 1960s.

On a deeper level, the use of fascism to oppose hive mind insects with no apparent motives but to destroy human civilization and make more of themselves parallels the original rise of fascism and National Socialism to oppose Communism in Europe, as well as why fascist thought is gaining ground in the West again today. No further justification of the war against the Bugs is required.

[Anonymous No.15406707]

>>15406701
I wasn't even around when that was happening. Anyway do you think they can break classic encryption with quantum computers now?

[Anonymous No.15406708]

>>15406697
>>15406701
Wait, it's over?

[Anonymous No.15406712]

>>15406700
So mercury?

[Anonymous No.15406713]

>>15406707
no. that's a grift from quantum computing orgs so they get more funding

[Anonymous No.15406716]

[Anonymous No.15406719]

>>15406707
Not yet but in principle it's possible. There's been serious work put into post-quantum cryptography that resists Shorr's Algorithm, and projects are starting to adopt it.

[Anonymous No.15406721]

>>15406680
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19710023719

[Anonymous No.15406722]

>>15406712
not just mercury

[Anonymous No.15406723]

>>15406716
ponder, if you will, the o-rings

[Anonymous No.15406725]

>>15406721
I looked at the paper before; I think the part that a lot of people are neglecting is that it's primarily a study of surrounding acoustic loads on vehicle loads, but it's not really designed to study acoustic loads on the pad infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.15406727]

>>15406266
i actually got it from the last thread but reverse image search proved it was spacexmasterrace

[Anonymous No.15406728]

>>15406716
>yo dawg we herd u liek boosters so we put boosters on yo boosters so you can boost while you boost
What was the point of this? Extremely heavy payloads? The acceleration would be too harsh for throwing normal payloads to higher orbits.

[Anonymous No.15406729]

>>15406725
but it is the vehicle acoustic loading people are saying Starship needs an angled flame diverter for lol

[Anonymous No.15406734]

>>15406729
For two reasons, and it's possible that neither of them are right:
>Acoustic loads on the rocket damaging the engines
>Acoustic loads on the pad shotgunning the rocket and damaging the engines

[Anonymous No.15406737]

>>15406727
It was obviously a Reddit meme from the beginning. What channer would Unironically use doge unless they were shilling their shitcoin on /biz/

[Anonymous No.15406738]

>>15406734
Hopefully the showerhead water deluge should lessen both though

[Anonymous No.15406743]

>>15406525
It's closed, apparently. Looks like sustainable PPE isn't where the money is at.

[Anonymous No.15406748]

>>15406505
>AMC holder
100% chance of idiot.
t. /biz/

[Anonymous No.15406751]

>>15405672
I really dont understand how they are going to get customers
>so hey, we have this setup where we spin your satelite so fast that we fling it in to space
>So your satelite has to take on G loads far beyond any standard in the satelite industry.
>oh also it can weigh no more then one standard american male.

Reminds me a bit of sadam's space gun, the americans killed gerald bull for nothing because the project would never have worked anyway.

[Anonymous No.15406754]

>>15406712
Earf

[Anonymous No.15406757]

>>15406751
It's for launching cheap antisatellite missiles with no first stage.

[Anonymous No.15406763]

>>15406757
It's for launching me in a spacesuit, I have the spirit of Stapp within me.

[Anonymous No.15406765]

>>15406737
twitter trannies love doge way more than redditors

[Anonymous No.15406773]

>>15406575
Anyone?
Pretty sure it's the opening to the bit carousel from the opening shape and spring but can't can't find another image of a bit that matches that.
I thought it could be part of the eccentric sample tube mechanism to break a core off or it might be used to clear dust stuck between the teeth?

[Anonymous No.15406784]

>>15406575
>tens of billions of dollars
>the brightest minds on offer
>gnarled phillips head screws installed by a retard

[Anonymous No.15406792]

>>15406773
It looks like it'd spin and if you spun it the blades would scrape/chop away at stuff.

[Anonymous No.15406794]

ITS FUCKING NOTHING

[Anonymous No.15406796]

>>15406794
>US Fish & Wildlife estimated debris (rocks, concrete, and various metal pieces-parts) covered 400 acres. That's a circle with a radius of 720m from the launch site. Here's what that looks like:

[Anonymous No.15406799]

>>15405800
the lack of shading makes my brain fail to realise it's a 3d sphere which makes it look rather trippy

[Anonymous No.15406806]

Some new stuff might pop up next week
Happy Mayday bros, drinking and smoking with my dad in the name of starship. God bless

[Anonymous No.15406810]

>>15406806

[Anonymous No.15406813]

>>15405709
they've done 12 successful test launches already

[Anonymous No.15406815]

>>15406784
>he thinks that's a big standard phillips screw
uhh that's a purpose custom special crew requiring special aerospace rated screwdrivers

[Anonymous No.15406816]

>>15406810
:DDD

[Anonymous No.15406818]

>>15406815
>I'm having a stroke again

[Anonymous No.15406819]

>>15406567
>star wars
The Galactic empire definitely looks cool, but how the fuck was it the better choice?

[Anonymous No.15406822]

[Anonymous No.15406824]

>>15406794
We need to meme the first abort mode to be landing IN the wildlife refuge

[Anonymous No.15406828]

>>15406824
BASED

[Anonymous No.15406832]

damn that Viasat sat is fucking massive no wonder they need FH

[Anonymous No.15406834]

fuck urf

[Anonymous No.15406836]

[Anonymous No.15406838]

[Anonymous No.15406847]

[Anonymous No.15406849]

>>15406819
the rebels winning resulted in the sequels

[Anonymous No.15406852]

>>15406849
why the fuck should I care about bad fanfiction?

[Anonymous No.15406855]

>>15406303
joins EESA

[Anonymous No.15406858]

>>15406847
>it occurred to me in a dream

[Anonymous No.15406859]

>>15406815
>They don't know about torqset screws

ngmi

[Anonymous No.15406861]

>>15406806
>drunk again
Such is the Finnish way

[Anonymous No.15406862]

>>15406859
At least he's right about it being Philips though.
https://www.phillips-screw.com/drive_systems/torq-set/

[Anonymous No.15406867]

>>15406806
looking forward to it my fren

[Anonymous No.15406870]

>>15406847
I guarantee you that O'Neill was on some kind of hallucinogenic when he thought these up.

[Anonymous No.15406873]

>>15406859
>They don't know about torqset screws
who doesn't know about torqset screws?

[Anonymous No.15406874]

So how is starship going to survive a solar storm?

[Anonymous No.15406876]

>>15406874
same way we do, anon. Luck.

[Anonymous No.15406877]

>>15406870
> the idea of building big strong things in space is too much for a wellfags tiny mind
lol

[Anonymous No.15406879]

>>15406874
Is the cartoonist aware that most of humanity depends on electronics to survive in some way and that rich tech bros will not be the most affected?

[Anonymous No.15406890]

>>15406874
>I recognize that gay blowjob

[Anonymous No.15406895]

>>15406695

[Anonymous No.15406906]

>>15406895
which movie is this again?

[Anonymous No.15406908]

>>15406906
its a big movie

[Anonymous No.15406909]

>>15406432
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKMG-FdCGtM

[Anonymous No.15406912]

>>15406879
In that scenario we are all fucked anyway because the world goes dark and at the same time all the nuclear plants in the world, while having EMP protection, shut down and need a whole list of things to safely turn them off without melting that we just cant do in a world where all electronics got wiped out.
Then you have the thousands of chemical plants all over the world who turn in to giant pressure cookers ready to pop because the cooling systems dont work anymore.

[Anonymous No.15406917]

>>15406806
>Incomprehensible gibberish
Based

[Anonymous No.15406918]

reminder that the chief attraction to O'Neill and his acolytes (including Jeff Bezos) is this:
>bringing every human being up to a living standard now enjoyed only by the most fortunate; protecting the biosphere from damage caused by transportation and industrial pollution; finding high quality living space for a world population that is doubling every 35 years; finding clean, practical energy sources; preventing overload of Earth's heat balance.

[Anonymous No.15406922]

>>15406918
Man, those huge energy sources and resources in the middle of a fucking vacuum sure are nice to have!

[Anonymous No.15406924]

>>15406918
>muh Earth is a national park
Earth should be ground up into its constituent atoms for more useful purposes
>what purposes
more useful ones

[Anonymous No.15406931]

>>15406918
It's always funny to me how Elysium got everything backwards on how the rich want to use space flight.

[Anonymous No.15406932]

>>15406879
Absolutely not. That image is pure seethe.

[Anonymous No.15406934]

>>15406918
>fill up spinhab with incompetent thirdies
>mulch them when they commit crimes
>wait where did they all go?

[Anonymous No.15406937]

>>15406931
Did it though? Elysium basically just took the underground bunker/militarized billionaire compound concept and threw it into outer space. They even got the insane PMCs going off the reservation part right. It's a shitty movie that not even Copley could salvage, but I don't think it's actually far off, aside from the magic medical McGuffins that could heal all injuries and sickness at no cost whatsoever being withheld from the proles because... Reasons.

[Anonymous No.15406939]

>>15406922
we orbit a fusion reaction

[Anonymous No.15406941]

[Anonymous No.15406942]

>>15406924
based urf def league

[Anonymous No.15406945]

>>15406941
>10 cars
How many football fields is that?

[Anonymous No.15406946]

>>15406941
cant even escape traffic in space ffs

[Anonymous No.15406947]

In 1977 Gerard K O'Neill went on CBS's 60 minutes and was thoroughly lambasted. The most serious of his detractors was senator William Proxmire, who wrote:
>“It’s the best argument yet for chopping
NASA’s funding to the bone. As Chairman
of the Senate Subcommittee responsible
for NASA’s appropriations, I say not a
penny for this nutty fantasy"

O'Neill's friends and followers wrote paragraphs and paragraphs of seethe letters in response, even drawing this picture and calling him 'Darth Proxmire'.

[Anonymous No.15406949]

>>15406937
In that conspiracy mind the cures are withheld to encourage dependence on the medical system.

[Anonymous No.15406951]

>>15406945
5,000 potatoes

[Anonymous No.15406952]

>>15406941
When via sat starts putting thousands of these in LEO starlink is fucked

[Anonymous No.15406955]

>>15406947
>Darth Proxmire
Are they retarded children? lmao

[Anonymous No.15406956]

[Anonymous No.15406960]

>>15406947
I fucked it
>“It’s the best argument yet for chopping NASA’s funding to the bone. As Chairman of the Senate Subcommittee responsible for NASA’s appropriations, I say not a penny for this nutty fantasy"

[Anonymous No.15406961]

>>15406949
We saw how the medical system for the proles worked in the movie, hint: it didn't. It wasn't even a case of like "healing the sick but at the cost of everything they have and everything they will ever have" i.e. the American system. It was just talking to a mannequin that spit out pills. Which, I interpreted as Blomkamp criticizing the way that South Africa's medical system works (overrun, not funded enough to do anything, brown people everywhere).

[Anonymous No.15406964]

>>15406941
>144 feet
ur like little baby

[Anonymous No.15406967]

>>15406937
I don't know, it has been long ago since I watched it.
I still praise The Martian for being one of the few recent space movies that isn't cynical about spaceflight and neither misanthropic.

[Anonymous No.15406969]

>>15406956
Koyaanisqatsi...

[Anonymous No.15406970]

>>15406955
That was the impression I got yes. The first spinfags were not only big star wars fans, they were also very proud of their niggers.

[Anonymous No.15406971]

>>15406956
Are those two vents from FTS?

[Anonymous No.15406972]

hmmmm

[Anonymous No.15406974]

>>15406972

[Anonymous No.15406976]

>>15406970
OG oneillfags for some reason called themselves Jerry's Kids
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jerry%27s%20kids.. Rick Tumlinson mentions this all the time

[Anonymous No.15406977]

>>15406895
>"first one to talk gets to stay on my spacecraft!"

[Anonymous No.15406981]

>>15406977
>Dr Zubrin, I'm NASA

[Anonymous No.15406988]

>>15406972
>>15406974
it's over

[Anonymous No.15406992]

>>15406981
jej

[Anonymous No.15406993]

>>15406918
Jeff was actually a student of O'Neill at Princeton in the mid 80's, it's the one neat thing about him

[Anonymous No.15406995]

>L5 News: Opinion – The Case Against Mars, October 1984
>Mars fits in poorly. To advance space development, we need cheap resources in near-Earth space. The Moon is obvious and attractive: the velocity increment needed to escape the Moon and bring materials to near-Earth space is fairly low, and the Moon holds oxygen, rock, metals, and (perhaps) water at the poles. What is more, it can best absorb any politically-inspired mania for a planetary base, being close enough to do so at a comparatively modest cost. The asteroids are less obvious to the casual eye, but more attractive: the velocity increment needed to bring materials from suitable asteroids is lower than that of the Moon, and asteroids contain oxygen, rock, water, hydrocarbons, steel, nickel, cobalt, and precious metals.
>Why, then, do some cry out for expeditions to Mars, as at the recent Case for Mars II conference in Boulder? Some may do so because they don’t really see space as a frontier, or because they have given little serious thought to strategies for space development. Seeing all advances as equally useless (or equally useful), they blow the horn for a space activity that seems both exciting and understandable — that is, to go through free space (a place so strange and hard to think about) and then promptly leave it again to land on another planet.
>The Martian dream also has roots in the traditional thinking of those antique times when “space” meant chiefly “space exploration.” As a planet, Mars appeals to Earthbound prejudices and habits of thought. It has an atmosphere, a tinted sky, weather, and a desert-like surface on which one can imagine building a cabin from wood miraculously found beyond the next barren hill. It still basks in the glow of its past reputation as an Earth-like planet and an abode of Martian civilizations, though this glow fails to warm its dry-ice polar caps.
https://space.nss.org/l5-news-opinion-the-case-against-mars/

[Anonymous No.15406997]

>>15406995
Soviet hands typed that screed.

[Anonymous No.15406998]

>>15406995
We
Are
Going

[Anonymous No.15407002]

>>15406995
Based and anti-Mars pilled https://idlewords.com/2023/1/why_not_mars.htm

[Anonymous No.15407006]

>>15406874
butt first

[Anonymous No.15407008]

>>15406995
>As a planet, Mars appeals to Earthbound prejudices and habits of thought.
total well-dweller death

[Anonymous No.15407009]

>>15406974
apple doesn't fall far from the tree

[Anonymous No.15407011]

John Young's fist pump after getting out of the space shuttle STS-1 landing is the greatest fist pump of all time

[Anonymous No.15407012]

>>15406974
simplicity through commonality bros where did we go wrong?

[Anonymous No.15407015]

>>15407008
Anti-planeteers are the homeopathic retards of space. "Bro just ignore the major mass concentrations and free gravity, you need to dilute the solar system into a swarm of cuckhabs in the void for it to be effective."

[Anonymous No.15407017]

>>15406995
Just go build your tube and enjoy it. Why does everything have to be one way or the other? If tubes are so great and you believe that, go build one. And if it's valuable, the free market will solve the rest.
It should be stated that the reason this doesnt occur to academics is they have a communist, zero-sum mindset. Even with the infinite resources of space, they must force their will on others because they know better

[Anonymous No.15407019]

>>15406972
>>15406974
embarrassing...

[Anonymous No.15407020]

I apologize elon for making this meme. You were right.

[Anonymous No.15407023]

>>15406794
Zoom out, if you go far enough out you will understand we are all small and meaningless in the trand scheme of things

[Anonymous No.15407025]

>>15407008
>>15407015
turning a planet inside out is far more based than launching handfuls of sand into LEO. imagine digging tunnels through the Earth, turning it into swiss cheese, to the point where it is effectively held up by scaffolding. so much room for activities, and dont have to deal with low gravity unless you're near the core

[Anonymous No.15407029]

>>15407020
Musk is doubling down on no flame trench. it's his ideology

[Anonymous No.15407033]

>>15406995
>everything must revolve around resources for e*rth! We should be extracting metals from the moon for industry in space to stop pollution!
>Why? Because we have to, OK! We've got to take care of our home planet!
>space is just so STRANGE and HARD TO UNDERSTAND, how do you even find other planets interesting???
>The martian dream is le bad traditional thinking!!! It appeals to your prejudices!!!
Spinfaggots are truly disgusting.

[Anonymous No.15407037]

>>15407029
the showerhead ideas is really good actually. It will provide the best mixing of water and exhaust

[Anonymous No.15407039]

>>15407025
> *small earthquake*
> wtf I'm 3 miles below the surface, cooking to death with no hope of rescue!

[Anonymous No.15407041]

>>15407037
what's that look like? anything that obstructs access to the raptors under the mount aint gonna work

[Anonymous No.15407043]

>>15407041
big steel plate with holes through which water squirts out

[Anonymous No.15407048]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpN6QBjKp7s

[Anonymous No.15407053]

>>15406995
the point of going to mars is precisely because its far enough away, you need to develop technologies for long duration stays compared to the moon, where you can get in 3 days any time of the year and its relatively easy to rescue people and so on (assuming there would be rockets with launch cadence)
mars is a different beast altogether, you need much more forward planning, it can truly become an independent home to humanity

[Anonymous No.15407056]

>Chandrayaan-3 got delayed to 2024
it's over sirs

[Anonymous No.15407059]

>>15407056
Mother benchod basterd bitch

[Anonymous No.15407060]

>>15407039
You know what you signed up for

[Anonymous No.15407065]

>>15407056
couldn't do the needful

[Anonymous No.15407066]

>>15406974
Hot structure bros.....we won.

[Anonymous No.15407069]

>>15407033
as a spinchad I denounce the views of this fag and see the necessity of mars as a first step towards habitats everywhere in the solar system (including wellhabs and spinhabs)
it hasn't been brought up much lately but musk has talked about this before
one of the reasons to start a colony on mars is to have an economic forcing function for all kinds of space technology
if there is an economic incentive to improve some aspect of the endeavor, then economic forces will do so and guide the actions of people
this is seen for instance in his quest to accelerate the adoption of electric cars
you make them better than gas cars so they are a good choice from an economic perspective, appealing to some enviromental faggy shit is never going to scale
communists and other assorted homos don't seem to get this even if they are guided by these principles by themselves in their own personal lives in most things

[Anonymous No.15407070]

>>15406972
>>15406974
It's visibly still a hex tile that was simply chopped a bit.

[Anonymous No.15407071]

>>15407056
यह खत्म हो गया है।

[Anonymous No.15407072]

>>15407015
>ignore the major mass concentrations
They'll be mined, not ignored
>free gravity
Not enough for human health (Mars possibly excepted), enough to be annoying when shipping away from them - wow, what a free gift!

[Anonymous No.15407074]

>>15406810
Huutista indeed

[Anonymous No.15407079]

>>15406995
I love how the polar ice meme has been BTFO by rogue space roggs, casually revealing the existence of plentiful ice dispersed beneath the Martian surface.
Of course they'll just move the goalposts but seeing coincidence crush these insect-men in realtime is beautiful.

[Anonymous No.15407089]

What would be the perfect planetary system for space exploration and settlement?

[Anonymous No.15407095]

>>15406723

[Anonymous No.15407097]

>>15407089
something like TRAPPIST except all the planets are half the size

[Anonymous No.15407098]

>>15407089
one with as many habitable worlds as possible

[Anonymous No.15407103]

>>15407089
full sequence star with a shitload of bigger planets in the habitable zone that also have many habitable moons. And the planets have a high rotation rate (period 1h)

[Anonymous No.15407110]

>>15407089
It is a balance of preference, availability, and what is even possible.
Some people might prefer a system with a mountain world and ocean planet, some (retards) like super-earths, some guys want a Dunc LARPing planet. Maybe some dudes want zero terrestrial planets but as many gas giants as possible in a binary system with a fuckload of moons.
Thankfully the universe is big enough for all of us, assuming nothing spooky is lurking nearby.

[Anonymous No.15407111]

>>15407089
I'd say the solar system. The time to travel there isn't prohibitive.

[Anonymous No.15407113]

>>15407089
the BG one

[Anonymous No.15407121]

>>15407113
I never watched the first ol Battlestar Galactica shows so the planetse mean very little to me

[Anonymous No.15407122]

>>15407089
like 11 extra urfs all in the goldilocks zone but all uninhabited except 1 that might have dinosaurs

[Anonymous No.15407125]

>>15407103
>planets have a high rotation rate (period 1h)
No such planets exist

[Anonymous No.15407128]

>>15407125
source?

[Anonymous No.15407130]

>>15407128
i have visited all planets and measured their rotations

[Anonymous No.15407132]

How many stable orbits could you even have in the habitable zone of a star? Assuming you picked the one that could fit most of them
I doubt it would be that many and even planets in the habitable zone aren't necessarily automatically very easily habitable
For instance, aren't both Mars and Venus in the goldilocks zone of the Sun? Still Mars has no plate tectonics due to being too small, so no magnetic field and can't keep an atmosphere long term, Venus has no magnetic field apparently either and a runaway greenhouse effect (not sure why this happened though).
In the end, if you look at some moons of Jupiter vs Venus then does the concept of a habitable zone really make sense? A lot of places will become habitable with enough technology.

[Anonymous No.15407134]

>>15407132
"Habitable Zone" is just about the possibility of liquid water at the surface. It needs a better name than this.

[Anonymous No.15407135]

>>15407132
>some moons of Jupiter vs Venus then does the concept of a habitable zone really make sense?
so i heard you like radiation

[Anonymous No.15407136]

>>15407134
LWZ. Mostly just so people can confuse it with LZW.

[Anonymous No.15407138]

>>15407089
Ours if Venus and Mars were the way old scifi predicted.

[Anonymous No.15407142]

>>15407134
the PISS BELT

[Anonymous No.15407145]

did someone say pisslocks?

[Anonymous No.15407147]

FH launch stream in 2 bongs and 20 bings

[Anonymous No.15407149]

>>15407138
We were robbed
(I tried to find a poster of jungle Venus I saw once but I can't remember where I saw it)

[Anonymous No.15407151]

>>15406971
About 40 seconds from signal to actual poof according to Musky, so not the initial ones, no. It goes poof at 1:16 in that webm, so about 0:35 onwards should be when FTS activates.

[Anonymous No.15407153]

>>15407149
Like this?

[Anonymous No.15407160]

>>15407132
The habitable zone is based on Earth-like parameters, in particular they are influenced by the greenhouse effect. Venus could be habitable if terraformed but it would be quite hot, probably 25-30°C average temperature so the equator would be inhospitable. Mars would be around 3-4 °C, above 30 deg of latitude it would already be freezing.

[Anonymous No.15407164]

>>15407147
oh fuck, I really need to sleep

[Anonymous No.15407184]

https://youtu.be/-723S8QEf_0
lets goooooo

[Anonymous No.15407187]

>>15407110
>some (retards) like super-earths
I, for one, don't judge a girl by her mass. Getting to orbit is of no consequence anyway when you are already on a paradise world

[Anonymous No.15407194]

>>15407153
god, imagine if probes detected life on venus back in the 60s

[Anonymous No.15407197]

>>15407153
Yeah
>>15407194
Imagine if there was a hidden alien base on the far side of the moon in the 60's

[Anonymous No.15407201]

>>15407110
>some (retards) like super-earths
super-earths would lead to the evolution of short stack alien babes, so that's a win for me

[Anonymous No.15407216]

>>15407201
A fair point. I believe low-g elves and high-g dwarves are a necessity for a more just and beautiful galaxy.

[Anonymous No.15407238]

>>15407216
>You will live to see all these man horrors beyond your nightmares
I don't look forward to eternity, but I do it out of spite

[Anonymous No.15407241]

So now /sfg/ has anons that are trying to get a job at Gravitics, and another at a satellite company flying on Falcon at some point.

[Anonymous No.15407252]

>>15407241
Ignore picrel, I had it sitting there from an older post. You anons are going to some pretty good companies

[Anonymous No.15407253]

>>15407241
the tone of your post implies you disapprove

[Anonymous No.15407254]

>>15407253
See >>15407252
was mistake, I like gravitics

[Anonymous No.15407275]

>Team is resetting the countdown clock to the end of the launch window due to ground winds. Targeting 0:26 UTC for liftoff of Falcon Heavy

Its ogre...

[Anonymous No.15407276]

[Anonymous No.15407280]

>>15407275
Yeah, she ain't going anywhere today either.

[Anonymous No.15407284]

>>15407276
amogus

[Anonymous No.15407289]

>>15407275
This is what happens when you make a rocket with a fineness that would give von Braun a heart attack. Zeus is going to fuck you over.

[Anonymous No.15407290]

>>15407276
>ywn get in on govt grifting and get paid to irl shitpost concepts to nasa

[Anonymous No.15407291]

>>15407276

[Anonymous No.15407299]

>>15407284
*Hurdy Gurdy Man intensifies*

[Anonymous No.15407303]

>>15407284
>amogus
>t.

[Anonymous No.15407306]

>>15407275
Two more bongs

[Anonymous No.15407323]

>>15407134
if it has liquid water on the surface it is almost certainly inhabitable. The problem is that the zone were liquid water may occur is quite hard to define

[Anonymous No.15407328]

>>15407151
Yeah I thought the same thing. But I can't see any obvious FTS activation

[Anonymous No.15407361]

[Anonymous No.15407390]

>>15406971
These? Yeah. Man-sized holes weren't big enough.

[Anonymous No.15407399]

>>15406360
>maybe Ariane 6 will work out somehow.

https://spaceflightnow.com/2023/04/30/viasat-seeks-replacement-for-ariane-6-for-launch-of-third-viasat-3-satellite/
>On the eve of launching its first ViaSat 3 internet satellite on a SpaceX rocket, Viasat says it has moved the launch of an identical spacecraft off of Europe’s long-delayed Ariane 6 rocket, and is considering bids from other rocket companies.

Gosh, I wonder who could grab this contract for launching a heavy geostationary telecommunications satellite?

[Anonymous No.15407400]

[Anonymous No.15407401]

What is that wacky potential energy measurement that NASA uses instead of ∆v? I forgot what it's called.

I still don't really understand how it works.

[Anonymous No.15407407]

>>15407399
being european is suffering

[Anonymous No.15407408]

>>15407401
Characteristic Energy (C3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characteristic_energy

[Anonymous No.15407409]

>>15407399
Blue Origin?

[Anonymous No.15407412]

>>15407390
what a fucking tank.

[Anonymous No.15407418]

>>15407401
Characteristic energy, C3=X? It's the speed you have in excess of the speed needed to reach escape velocity of a given body. Why it's given in km2/s2, I do not know.

>>15407409
New Glenn would have to be launching first and there's almost no way it'd be ready by the time they want to be launching.

[Anonymous No.15407419]

>>15407399
Arianne is fucking over

[Anonymous No.15407429]

>>15407418
I think NASA uses C3 because it describes an end trajectory rather than the ∆v needed to get there.

[Anonymous No.15407430]

>>15406956
Kek, that's incredible

[Anonymous No.15407456]

>>15407390
This venting matches perfectly with the AFTS boxes. Not enough explosives used...

[Anonymous No.15407459]

>>15407456
>we made the rocket too strong for the FTS to blow up
Has this EVER happened before?

[Anonymous No.15407461]

>>15405654
Was what real?

[Anonymous No.15407465]

>>15407456
Might be an arrangement problem instead of quantity problem, and it sounds like they're already planning on changing it to a hull-length shape charge.
>>15407461
The picture from the ship looking down at the shredded booster.

[Anonymous No.15407471]

>>15407418
>>15407408
Yes C3, not much a measure equivalent of deltaV but instead of the relative energy of different orbits.
Was in the context of solar system DeltaV maps, because afaik NASA uses C3 maps instead, since deltaV can't account for gravity assists for example.

[Anonymous No.15407477]

Apologise

[Anonymous No.15407479]

>>15407477
I'm sorry you're gay.

[Anonymous No.15407486]

>>15407459
STARSHIP STRONG!

[Anonymous No.15407488]

>>15407477
sorry for what?

[Anonymous No.15407490]

>>15407477
I'm sorry you got boring, manlet.

[Anonymous No.15407491]

>>15407479
He exactly predicted both the failure state of superheavy and the precise failure of the AFTS before anyway one else.

[Anonymous No.15407495]

>>15407299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR8k8jpT3tw
good song but kind of sad as it reminds me of the start of marxist infiltration of the university system in the USA (which later has evolved in the current woke complex of ideas)

[Anonymous No.15407496]

>>15407477
Never

[Anonymous No.15407507]

PREDICTION: Falcon Heavy scrubs again. Dubs says it’s true

[Anonymous No.15407512]

PREDICTION: Falcon Heavy launches in 30 bings

[Anonymous No.15407513]

>>15407465
hull length meaning from top to bottom vertically? seems like a lot of extra mass, but putting it around horizontally won't really work with starship due to the heatshield, but jsut making it half the horizontally instead of one hole should help?
or perhaps half and then a bit vertically like an X

[Anonymous No.15407514]

>>15407507
>Fails to get digits on a board slower than molasses
Just go back to whatever board you came from. It's going to scrub though.

[Anonymous No.15407518]

>>15406956
She’s built like a tank lol

[Anonymous No.15407522]

>>15407507
PREDICTION: Falcon Heavy scrubs. Singles say it's true

[Anonymous No.15407525]

>>15407507
>>15407522
Ha ha, fuck you.

[Anonymous No.15407526]

>>15407513
It'll be a lengthwise COTS shape charge, they're pretty common in the business. Falcon 9 already uses them the same way. Pic related: commercially available linear shape charges

[Anonymous No.15407527]

>>15407151
>>15407328
This video is not real time; we have to look at the original feed to see the real timeline of events.
https://youtu.be/-1wcilQ58hI?t=2894
T+3:09: Ship FTS fired.
T+3:11: Booster FTS fired.
T+3:56: Booster stops venting, indicating tanks dropped to near ambient.
T+3:58: Booster destroyed by explosion near the engine section. Possibly due to a turbine exploding due to cavitation from loss of inlet pressure.
Total delay 47 seconds.

>>15407459
Not that I am aware of. Someone probably used a standard model of charge size needed and scaled it up without properly accounting for the 5x tensile strength of cyrogenic stainless steel so the resulting hole was way too small. This is a big failure on a critical safety system so Musk rightly predicts this will be the long pole to return to flight. The FAA will want a full RCA on how a deficient FTS design was certified by both parties and flown, and the new FTS system must be tested.

>>15407513
In the call, Musk said they will use a long detcord to ensure the rocket unzips immediately when FTS is triggered. The booster and ship have plenty of mass margin for that and they have months to retro fit the raceway to include a detcord.

[Anonymous No.15407530]

How was Superheavy able to survive spinning at Mach 2 with a Starship on top, 7000 tons of force below, and a giant hole in its side?

[Anonymous No.15407533]

>>15407526
Mhm, chocolate, very tasty

[Anonymous No.15407534]

Did we ever figure out why the HPUs exploded?

[Anonymous No.15407536]

>>15407530
US Steel

[Anonymous No.15407540]

>>15407530
Not being made of aluminium helps.
t. worked with a billion different alu alloys in the past and I fucking hate it.

[Anonymous No.15407541]

>>15407526
requalifying the FTS system just by changing it from a spot charge into a linear charge doesn't seem that complicated
how long could FAA take with this if its already run of the mill in the industry?
Just test some on similar thickness sheet metal (if you even need to do that)

[Anonymous No.15407542]

>>15407530
built different

Starship is made of thick stainless steel (Steel, Chrome, other bullshit), SLS is made of Aluminum.

[Anonymous No.15407543]

>>15407530
There’s a reason superman is called the man of steel, not the man of aluminum or man of carbon f*ber

[Anonymous No.15407544]

>>15407542
>SLS is made of Aluminum.
And foam insulation. The SRBs are steel segments if memory serves.

[Anonymous No.15407548]

>>15407541
>how long could [federal bureaucracy] take with [certifying a piece of equipment nobody in the industry has ever needed]?
Years.

[Anonymous No.15407552]

>>15407530
Mexican American welds
>>15407534
Probably because the hydraulic lines drained out and the hydraulic pumps sucked air. The call seems to indicate that engine 19 exploding hard enough to blow out 3 other engines caused whole sorts of other issues due to common manifolds being damaged.

[Anonymous No.15407557]

>>15407552
It’s interesting that Elon was always very vocal about the inadequacy of Booster 7 to survive an engine explosion. Looks like he was right

[Anonymous No.15407564]

>>15407533
the spiciest KitKat

[Anonymous No.15407569]

>>15407491
He predicted the AFTS thing but thought the engine failures were debris-related

[Anonymous No.15407573]

LIVE

[Anonymous No.15407574]

https://youtu.be/YFbp6PVbJQA
webcast live

[Anonymous No.15407575]

>>15407530
it was in 2% atmosphere at the time. that it held together is completely expected and unremarkable

[Anonymous No.15407579]

>>15407544
The SRBs have a large linear shaped charge running the length of the booster. Probably similar to what we're going to see going forward with Starship.

[Anonymous No.15407582]

>>15407573
FUCK YOU I WANTED TO SAY IT FIRST

[Anonymous No.15407584]

I love how three years ago they played this song as part of their random rotation after F9 second stage made orbit and it took me forever to find the name of the song
Lo and behold SeX outright bought the song and now it’s their main music

[Anonymous No.15407585]

>>15407575
So you're saying that SLS would also have held up in the same circumstance?

[Anonymous No.15407587]

>>15407575
Bullshit, AFTS is required to immediately terminate propulsion. If they thought the FTS wouldn't work, they wouldn't have flown.

[Anonymous No.15407591]

>no falcon heavy launch thread
sci is dead

[Anonymous No.15407593]

>>15407591
Good, there's a smaller chance that hiroshimoot will fuck up the board worse than it already is.

[Anonymous No.15407595]

>>15407591
Falcon Heavy launches are officially routine

[Anonymous No.15407599]

>>15406703
That’s exactly what he wanted you to do retard, he wanted to make a movie that was blatantly making fun of people that people would still identify with because he ultimately thinks you’re an amerimutt retard. He was never bothered that people ended up liking the things he was mocking because part of his intent was to show that Americans are easily impressed by propaganda and dull witted, hollow models. That’s why most of the cast isn’t played by actors - they’re played by the dumbest models he could find, people he didn’t respect at all

[Anonymous No.15407600]

>>15407587
AFTS is fundamentally independent of all other systems, and the implementation of FTS as an independent system is required by law.

[Anonymous No.15407604]

SAY THE LINE
THANK BOEING

[Anonymous No.15407605]

>>15407323
You sure? The atmosphere and ground could still suck.

[Anonymous No.15407606]

>page 10
oh shit

[Anonymous No.15407609]

Who doesn't like a good promotional video?

[Anonymous No.15407610]

So no one going to talk about the heavy launch?

[Anonymous No.15407611]

Kino bird and rocket sound ambience

[Anonymous No.15407613]

How nice of SpaceX to launch competitor's satellites.

[Anonymous No.15407614]

Falcon heavy is boring

[Anonymous No.15407615]

>>15407540
Alu is amazing and I recommend everyone buys more of it, I recommend the alu produced by Norsk hydro which is made by 100% green hydro energy and very ethically sourced, buy it at a premium, buy it until you go broke, spend a 10% country yoy gdp on green hydro alu, it's a deal you shouldn't miss

[Anonymous No.15407616]

>>15407610
you're talking about it right now

[Anonymous No.15407618]

Is that the NSF guy in the mission control mic?

[Anonymous No.15407619]

[Anonymous No.15407620]

jesus christ that speed

[Anonymous No.15407621]

>>15407615
>very ethically sourced
I'm actually Norwegian and you just made me giggle at 2am.

[Anonymous No.15407624]

>>15407611
TOTAL BIRD DEATH

[Anonymous No.15407625]

woosh

[Anonymous No.15407626]

>>15407620
FH does not fuck around.

[Anonymous No.15407627]

clear max qute

[Anonymous No.15407629]

>>15407600
The law governing FTS systems requires that all propulsion must stop after activation so the IIP does not move any further. If SpaceX expected the vehicle to survive FTS activation and continue to fire its engines for another 40 seconds, they would not have flown.

[Anonymous No.15407631]

Holy kino I love FH so much

[Anonymous No.15407632]

LIVE

https://youtu.be/-723S8QEf_0

[Anonymous No.15407634]

Oh no, it's spinning around and exploding!

[Anonymous No.15407635]

I'll be honest I didn't think they'd be able to get this off the ground after tanking multiple storms.

[Anonymous No.15407637]

cool heck realm portal

[Anonymous No.15407638]

>>15407637
kino

[Anonymous No.15407639]

hell yeah beco

[Anonymous No.15407640]

F and F to you lads

[Anonymous No.15407641]

WHAT WAS THAT UFO

[Anonymous No.15407643]

[Anonymous No.15407645]

goobye boostars :(....

[Anonymous No.15407646]

[Anonymous No.15407647]

kino horizon shot

[Anonymous No.15407648]

>>15407641
That was me, just trying to get a good look at those boosters

[Anonymous No.15407649]

>>15407641
one of these airliners

[Anonymous No.15407653]

Glorious.

[Anonymous No.15407654]

why wouldnt they care about safing the fts on the side boosters after they seperate? better yet why not fts them after seperation, they're garbage now anyways. what if they float to africa and the nigerians reverse engineer them?

[Anonymous No.15407656]

Looks like the flat earthers were right.

[Anonymous No.15407657]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1652833091919187969
>Fairings deployed. This marks the 100th reuse of flight-proven fairings
Impressive, very nice

[Anonymous No.15407658]

>>15407649
DON'T LIE. IT WAS AN ALIEN.

[Anonymous No.15407659]

Lol an actual Ayy LMAO

[Anonymous No.15407661]

So dumb question but if the fairings make it back in one piece, do the expended boosters and cores also make it back in one piece? They just slam into the ocean as one giant chunk?

[Anonymous No.15407662]

>>15407657
That's almost half a billion dollars saved

[Anonymous No.15407664]

>>15407649
think they can see it? id be losing my shit in the middle of a silent flight.

[Anonymous No.15407665]

>>15407662
3 months of Starship funding

[Anonymous No.15407667]

>>15407664
They definitely would've been able to see something. Hope the flight crew mentioned something

[Anonymous No.15407669]

>it takes SpaceX less than two weeks to create an entire Falcon 9 from scratch
HOW CAN ANYONE COMPETE

[Anonymous No.15407670]

STAGE
>>15407668
>>15407668
>>15407668

[Anonymous No.15407675]

>>15407669
>bezos can't even produce enough engines...

[Anonymous No.15407684]

>>15407657
wait, theyve been reusing fairings? I thought they gave up trying to catch them with the boats?

[Anonymous No.15407691]

>>15407684
They made them land safely in the water

[Anonymous No.15407735]

>>15407591
>2050
>no starship crewed mars landing thread

[Anonymous No.15407739]

>>15407649
shut up glowie

[Anonymous No.15407915]

>15405175
looks like this might be good enough to make it through reentry.
>>>15405635
>>15405686
better then arguments about anime or doomer retardation or politics or shitposting. you must be one of the types who enjoy that shit.

[Anonymous No.15407957]

>>15407915
collagefag is THE singular insufferable anime obsessed fuckhead that shits up a whole thread each time he goes off about it

[Anonymous No.15408073]

>15406356
the entire point of gateway is to make artemis politically sustainable by having it be an international program. congress will be less willing to shut down artemis when doing so fucks up a program with other countries involved. its how the iss has lasted so long.

[Anonymous No.15408127]

>>15406908
for you