Is science even scientific anymore?

[Anonymous No.15149929]

> non-reproducible studies
> no application of scientific method
> methodologies always filled to the brim with exclusions of unfavourable variables to hypothesis
> mostly based of surveys

Why is this ok?
Wouldn't this bring scientists under scrutiny?
Why is questioning methods and conclusion treated like heresy?

[Anonymous No.15149980]

>>15149929
>Why is this ok?
Money.

You forgot to mention
>meta analysis based on over 50 studies
>of which 40 are not studies but also meta analysis or just science maganzine press releases which briefly mention a study related to the topic or non related studies which tangentially touch the subject of the meta anylisis
>and the other 10 are either surveys or based on n<20 study subjects

Also we don't prepend spaces in greentexts.
Stop that now.

[Anonymous No.15150050]

>>15149980
>meta analysis based on over 50 studies
>of which 40 are not studies but also meta analysis or just science maganzine press releases which briefly mention a study related to the topic or non related studies which tangentially touch the subject of the meta anylisis
>and the other 10 are either surveys or based on n<20 study subjects
this shit sounds like the big short

[Anonymous No.15150058]

>>15149929
atheists don't believe in anything, atheists - by definition - have no faith, they don't believe in the scientific method or anything else other than what is immediately convenient

[Anonymous No.15150113]

>>15150058
I want to believe anon..

[Anonymous No.15150203]

>>15149929
it was a mistake to call anything but physics a science in the first place
life "sciences" are on the same level as psychology, sociology, astrology or numerology

[Anonymous No.15150302]

>>15150203
atheists will lie about anything and everything, the ones in physics are no different than the ones in other disciplines.

[Anonymous No.15150439]

>>15150302
Physics is often worse than other disciplines because the measurements have no objectivity. You can assume almost anything from subatomic physics and torture the data to fit any theory.

[Anonymous No.15150467]

>>15149929
capitalism
There are three criteria for real legitimate science.
1. Publicly funded so the money is not biased
2. Publicly published so everyone owns the results
3. Not affiliated in any way with special interests (as opposed to 1, this means the people who decide what gets done can not themselves be influenced by special interests - this means no politicians, no stock ownership, no possible profit or punishment from the outcomes).

If the above three criteria are not met you should just throw it out. Its not legitimate and should not be considered useful information.

[Anonymous No.15150480]

>>15150467
>1. Publicly funded so the money is not biased
LMAO
Some of the worse "science" comes from the government's hold on the purse strings.

[Anonymous No.15150537]

>>15150467
>1. Publicly funded so the money is not biased

Depends on the oversight.
Sadly the government and the universities have their fingers in play, to decide where the funding goes.
And they are highly involved with cooprerations.
This won't solve the problem.

Also it is already publicly available.
Just nobody cares.
And those who care, get shamed and ostresized.

The problems are not the rules.
It's the system and their corrupt elite.

[Anonymous No.15150575]

>>15150467
>Publicly funded so the money is not biased
Hahaha, good one.

Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.

HAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.15150717]

>>15150050
>this shit sounds like the big short
It is actually.
It creates literally a science bubble...
That when it pops, it will lead to witchhunts.

[Anonymous No.15150812]

>>15150480
>>15150575
>didnt bother to read point 3

[Anonymous No.15150843]

>>15150058
Sounds like you're on the wrong board

[Anonymous No.15150851]

>>15149929
Why do people keep posting this article? Does the headline suit some agenda they have? Our are you just not reading what it says? Because most people with any brains will find the article themselves and see the headline is total clickbait. They only checked five studies and did a survey of a couple of biologist type people and they're calling it a crisis.

[Anonymous No.15150891]

No.

It’s sponsored.

Anything that isn’t sponsored won’t even be published let alone read.

[Anonymous No.15150949]

>>15150812
Point 3 is retarded wishful thinking. If the government funds science, the grants will be distributed to things the unelected grant-authorizer likes. See: fraudulent alzheimer's research was funded by a co-author on one of the fraudulent papers who got a job at NIH.

[Anonymous No.15151678]

Medical """"Experts"""" going to be replaced by AI.
Kek.
How unexpected... that a field of """science""" which relies only on Buzzword Lingo and Jargon and Memorizing ICD-10 Definitions for diagnostica is going to be replaced by a thing that can do literally the same.
>Type in symptoms
>Deploy blood sample
>*beep boop beep*
>"Dear Patient, you have been diagnosed with [inserd ICD-10 code and definition]"
>*caplunk*
>Medicine is dispensed
>*brrrr bssss brrr bsssss*
>Schedule when and how much you should take of it is printed
>take [symptom supressor] like explained on the Description
>for more Information scan QR code or or reread the Description

[Anonymous No.15151701]

>>15151678
I hope that becomes real because then people might realize how much of a racket is the medical industrial complex or how the medical schools it created only exist to produce salesmen who push pills and expensive "ever-treatments" that never seem to cure people for some "mysterious" reason

[Anonymous No.15151765]

>>15151701
The wonders of modern medicine medicine

[Anonymous No.15151787]

>>15150467
>Not affiliated in any way with special interests
This is completely impossible in socialism i.e. State-backed anything, """anarchism""" aka commie-shit ape socialism doesn't solve it either

The only solution is free market i.e. anarchocapitalism, where all possible biases published as biased as possible and truth seekers test it out to see what sticks

[Anonymous No.15151804]

>>15151678
>>15151701
Idiots. It's not going to happen, but even if it did you're just shifting power away from Big Pharma to Big Tech

[Anonymous No.15151837]

>>15151804
they will find a hybrid solution.
AI assited doctors, to decrease the lenght of their universtiy attendance time.
> Courses on how to write symptom queries to recieve AI derived diagnosis

[Anonymous No.15151985]

>>15149929
Hmm. Most research articles that I encounter are wordy and incomprehensible. There's standardization, however, technology is changing each year, taking the account of bureaucracy, accounting, the intelligence of the scientists or "scientists" - it's methodology is almost a joke to be replicable.
Unless, the study is about making up a new methodology or improving a methodology it's a different outcome from there. I was questioning about the value of replicability when technology always improves (due to money or genuine love of science) however most of the answers I asked from several figures are usually "we do the best we can" in a nutshell.
I think to solve this problem is for researchers to provide a concise report with more diagrams (which for most research articles I encountered are so overwhelmingly boring because, too many words, most precisely - filler words). I think diagrams helps - we need to reassess the best way to report a research done.

[Anonymous No.15152023]

>>15151787
>The only solution is free market

The only solution is:
>The preservation of human physical and mental health is the main contract of the society
>The preservation of trust is the foundation of society
>The preservation of nature is the job of every member of society

Harming and of these principle should be punishable by law.
Punishments should be carried out publicly, with exact statment of what is the crime, so everybody will know.

>Lying between civils is punishable by single time whipping (not public)
>Lying a s professional to a customer or patient is punishable by whipping and jail time
>Lying to the public as a leading figure of Science, politics or head of company who sells product to public is punishable by public whipping and death if lie lead to harm
>Cheating is punishable by public whipping
>Obfuscating any negative effect a product may cause by deploying rhetoric tactics is punishable by death
>Pyramid schemes are punishable by death
>Promoting porn, promiscuity and fornication is punishable by whipping and jail
> (porn, promiscuity and fornication itself is not punishable and everyone can decides for them selves)
>Money cannot multiply
>No lending of money based on dept derived imaginary money or derivative papers linked to precious resources, any such business is punishable by whipping and jail

A society with low moral and low trust is shit no matter which system.
If you discourage low moral behaviour and punish hedonistic greedy behaviour patterns it would not matter which system is deployed, because the good the true and the beautiful will emerge if morale and trust is high.

After a breaking of law ocured, and punishment is done, a request for redemption and forgiveness is always stated.
If trust erodes its the whole societies job to rebuild trust by teaching the outcast to be a member again.

[Anonymous No.15152120]

>>15150302
>>15150439
Filtered

[Anonymous No.15152134]

>>15152120

[Anonymous No.15152351]

>>15152134
kek

[Anonymous No.15152356]

>>15152023
meds

[Anonymous No.15152382]

>>15150575
>jewish laughs

[Anonymous No.15152385]

>>15150467
according to this dumbo the only people capable of real science are completely independent researchers who receive money from god. this reeks of a college student who has never actually done anything.

[Anonymous No.15152390]

>>15150467
#3 does not exist
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UQYTb9DwKjQ

[Anonymous No.15152412]

>>15152385
>according to this dumbo the only people capable of real science are completely independent researchers who receive money from god. this reeks of a college student who has never actually done anything.

Pretty much this.
Most people cannot see beyond money.
>money here
>controlled money there
>money money
>we need to regulate science with money
>and regulate where money comes from
>and the money
>please money
>Im broken and I am in dept thats why I believe money would solve it

Money is not the problem. It's the people. Throwing money and regulating money does nothing.
It's low moral and low integrity.
Rules are not coherent that is why science is shit.
There are no requirements, no honest board of oversight that applies them.
Nobody cares, it's just bending rules whenever.
And not applying them when it fits the current thing.
It doesn't even have to do with money.
It's the absence of consistency and coherence of standards.
As you probably noticed with the grievance studies scandal...
Money cannot fix it.

Also the peer review method is the biggest circlejerk method ever.
"Peers" don't mean anything, beyond: Circle jerk.

[Anonymous No.15152635]

>>15152134
Who will clean the filter

[Anonymous No.15153159]

>>15151985
>"we do the best we can" in a nutshell.

And "but our funds were going low, so we skipped the control experiments"

[Anonymous No.15153627]

>>15152356
whips

[Anonymous No.15154694]

>>15152385
>this reeks of a college student who has never actually done anything.
…and who daydreams of never doing anything other than living off gibes "because muh research", an aspiring parasite.

[Anonymous No.15154808]

>>15150812
Point 3 contradicts point 1. Point 3 states that there aren't any possible profits in your system but point 1 states that some people get funding in your system i.e. they profit.

[Anonymous No.15154845]

>>15149929
Verificationism doesn't work anyway. Science suffers from underdetermination.

[Anonymous No.15154855]

>>15150058
Weird Strawman Anon.

[Anonymous No.15154872]

>>15150467
>1. Publicly funded so the money is not biased

I want the worthless immoral parasites who work for the state to be allowed to live, let alone make science funding decisions

[Anonymous No.15156496]

>>15152412
>It doesn't even have to do with money.

[Anonymous No.15156595]

>>15150467
>capitalism
Stopped reading there. Applied science isn't as bullshit as basic science precisely because of capitalism. Btw, publicly funded research is biased towards the groups that are better at rent seeking, same for publishers.

[Anonymous No.15156613]

>>15149929
blame peer review and liberals

[Anonymous No.15158470]

>>15156496
lol

[Anonymous No.15158608]

>>15149929
>Why is this ok?
None of it is OK
>Wouldn't this bring scientists under scrutiny?
That is already the case, see for instance Retraction Watch. This sump has even its own vigilantes, and is ripe for a Hollywood caper movie.
>Why is questioning methods and conclusion treated like heresy?
Oh, that is politics.

t.former postdoc

[Anonymous No.15159787]

>>15158608
Would you mind telling a incident you encountered which struck or is memorizable to you somehow?

[Anonymous No.15159792]

>>15149929
What the media says
>Reproducibility crisis in science

What it actually is
>Reproducibility crisis in psychology

FTFY

[Anonymous No.15159793]

>>15159792
Who do you think even believes your lies anymore?

[Anonymous No.15159811]

>>15159792
>Depression Is Probably Not Caused by a Chemical Imbalance in the Brain
https://archive.is/0id4G
>Critical elements of leading Alzheimer’s study possibly fraudulent0yxyd
https://archive.is/R5Sz2
>Electric vehicle batteries alone could satisfy short-term grid storage demand by as early as 2030
https://archive.is/yUicF
>Meal Skipping and Shorter Meal Intervals Are Associated with Increased Risk of All-Cause and Cardiovascular Disease Mortality among US Adults
https://archive.is/SkxjD

https://www.science.org/content/webinar/reproducibility-crisis-sample-quality-and-importance-early-and-ongoing-analysis
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778
>Science is facing a "reproducibility crisis" where more than two-thirds of researchers have tried and failed to reproduce another scientist's experiments, research suggests.
>"It's worrying because replication is supposed to be a hallmark of scientific integrity,"

https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/stories/sciences-under-discussed-problem-with-confirmation-bias/
> Research scientists are under pressure to get published in the most prominent journals possible, and their chances increase considerably if they find positive (thus “impactful”) results. For journals, the appeal is clear, writes Philip Ball for Nautilus: they’ll make a bigger splash if they discover some new truth, rather than if they simply refuted old findings. The reality is that science rarely produces data so appealing.
> The quest for publication has led some scientists to manipulate data, analysis, and even their original hypotheses. In 2014, John Ioannidis, a Stanford professor conducting researching on research (or ‘meta-research’), found that across the scientific field, “many new proposed associations and/or effects are false or grossly exaggerated.” Ioannidis estimates that 85 percent of research resources are wasted, claims that the frequency of positive results well exceeds how often one should expect to find them

[Anonymous No.15159878]

>>15159792
the ppl in psychology aren't mathematically sophisticated enough to make their numbers lie the way the physicists can

[Anonymous No.15159921]

>>15159787
I left early but saw the rot coming. Publication metrics was on the rise back then, and my PhD supervisor put a LOT of pressure on me to join in as a co author on a paper he had contributed exactly nothing to. I was forced, but the entire thing was extremely unpleasant.

Also I was there when a fraudulent paper was presented during a conference. It was a major whopper that should have been discovered earlier, for reason that would take me a page to explain. The presenter essentially killed his career. These days, however, fraudsters are so well connetced that they keep their jobs. And that is a major mart of the immense rot we see in our time. Honest people are simply pushed out.

You can see more on /scg/ and the FAQ is full of similar horror stories:
https://sciencecareergeneral.neocities.org/

[Anonymous No.15159927]

>>15159792
Physics has a productivity crisis instead.

[Anonymous No.15160056]

>>15159878
Psychology is rethorical instead.
DSM-5 contains over thousand "diagnosis definitions".
You can really diagnose anyone with anything.
Normopathie is my most favourite diagnosis.

You can perfectly healthy go to a normal doc, and send you out and tells you: "you are perfectly healthy"

But when you go to a psychologist, you won't leave the office without a diagnosis.

[Anonymous No.15160119]

>>15149929
There's been a steady, year over year creep in experiment methodologies accumulating more complex, empirically unverified methods of analysis, built upon more unfounded assumptions about fitness of data and study construction. And this is on top of problems re: selection bias and differences of opinion on which analysis is correct for which dataset that have always been inherent to all study.

Government funding of research needs to get axed. The cost of research will go down immensely, and private firms investing in research will have direct incentive to produce reproducible results.

[Anonymous No.15160125]

>>15150058
They have faith in immediate convenience?

[Anonymous No.15160129]

>>15159927
>productivity crisis
What? Go on...

[Anonymous No.15160146]

>>15160129
Probably referring to how research with huge expensive experiments is almost entirely just constraining parameters of particles that might not even exist.

[Anonymous No.15160189]

>>15149929
>> non-reproducible studies
>> no application of scientific method
>> methodologies always filled to the brim with exclusions of unfavourable variables to hypothesis
>> mostly based of surveys
maybe in sociology and psychology

this somehow doesnt happen in mathematics and engineering
now compare the gender ratios for all these fields and go figure whats the issue

[Anonymous No.15160259]

>>15160146
High energy physics is a high visibility but still small part of physics. Solid state physics is far more productive and relevant for society at large.

[Anonymous No.15160864]

>>15160189
>maybe in sociology and psychology
And medicine.
And quantum physics.
And yes in maths....
There are no """math studies""" that impact real life.

But medicine and engeneering...
They use """math""" or to be exact statistical tricks to force results.

[Anonymous No.15161012]

>>15160864
>And medicine.
Life sciences in general has a major problem.
>And quantum physics.
That one is news to me. Examples?
>And yes in maths....
How is that even possible?
>There are no """math studies""" that impact real life.
How baout cryptography?
>But medicine and engeneering...
>They use """math""" or to be exact statistical tricks to force results.
Maths is also used to discover fraud.

[Anonymous No.15161021]

>>15150058
>>15161015

[Anonymous No.15161027]

>>15150203
>>15150439
>>15150480
>>15150575
>>15151804
>>15161015

[Anonymous No.15161284]

>>15160056
>You can perfectly healthy go to a normal doc, and send you out and tells you: "you are perfectly healthy"
no, the doctor makes their diagnosis based on how much money they can get out of it regardless ethics. its not psychologists doing all the tranny surgeries. every dentist will yank your wisdom teeth for no good reason just because they know they get paid more that way. all of the unnecessary circumcisions of non jewish children are done by doctors solely for the sake of getting money.

[Anonymous No.15162780]

>>15151678

I’m a psychiatrist - The actual medicine part of what I do is pretty easy honestly. After like two years it’s pretty much all down.

But like trying to do motivational interviewing to get people to try and improve through self-cultivated cognitive therapy is really tough and more difficult.

I tell my patients that the meds are only a bridge. Unless they are schizophrenic then it’s different.

So yes at this point right now an AI could probably do my job prescribe meds, an AI could fill in for your shitty typical doc who doesn’t listen.

[Anonymous No.15162858]

soience is just a big charade managed by politicians for their own benefit, soientists are just no talent, cowardly stooges who wouldn't have a career without their willingness to tell the politicians manipulative lies.

[Anonymous No.15163161]

>>15162780
>Unless they are schizophrenic then it’s different.

Then you tranquelize them.
And never try to adress their inner conflict.
And telling them:
The voices are not real.
Just ignore them.

In my country was a doc who worked at a closed psychiatry he helped them by quasi, believing the voices are real, and negotiating with the voices and helped the people to negotiate with the voices aswell.

Which helped them apperently.
But the story is, he got his license removed.

A different story, is a mailman without college education became head of a psychriatic facility.
He invented disgnosis, and even was expert witness in trials and he called him self: "the charlatan in between charlatans".

Because none of the Psych Docs could see through him.
They even praised him and admired him.
He swindled a little, and was 2years the head of a Facility and none of any of his """educated""" collegues noticed.

Gerd Postel was his name. He even wrote books about the fact, that psychriatic medicine is just made up words, by people who all have a narcisitic personality disorder and a wierd appeal to authority of some sort, and just play pretend and do a lot of harm with it.
Also he was discgusted by the lack of curiosity of these People. They literally just believed shit because it was printed on paper. With no basis whatsoever. And never dare to check.

[Anonymous No.15163239]

>>15163161
>that psychriatic medicine is just made up words, by people who all have a narcisitic personality disorder and a wierd appeal to authority of some sort, and just play pretend and do a lot of harm with it.

Sorry your friend got fucked over by shitty doctors who over medicated him. Maybe I'm not just burnt out yet but I have a lot of success getting my schizophrenics more clear headed, not drugged out.

[Anonymous No.15163288]

>>15162858
Most scientists never encounter a politician in their lives, sir

[Anonymous No.15163290]

>>15163239
>Maybe I'm not just burnt out yet but I have a lot of success getting my schizophrenics more clear headed, not drugged out.

That is good.
Still I have a lack of faith for medicine in general.
Most docs get pissed when you mention fraud, or that benzos are bad.

I know some university clinics normalized giving people lorazepam and diazepam, as soon as they visit the hospital.
Its normal for everyone.

And it is a open secret for med students who do their doctorate, to get people into signing papers for getting them into studies or trials.

Benzos make you more suggestable they work as a "suggestivum" and at the same time as a "amnestic".
People go in, give benzos, persuade them into signing the trial paper for "amazing new drug".
It is a open secret.
And it is horrifying.

[Anonymous No.15163296]

>>15163288
they do encounter their money though

[Anonymous No.15163305]

>>15162858
>soience is just a big charade managed by politicians for their own benefit,

No its:
Soīence is a competition for funding money by big corporations in corporation with the state.
It is competing for funds.
And withing that, the scientists do fudge numbers and oversetimate their competence to get the money.

Then when push comes to shove, they again fidge data, use statistical tricks to meet their expectations and hypothesis to not get "defunded" or shamed.

It's a pinocchio effect.
It starts with a little number bending and turns into a big pile of lies, statistical tricks, and conclusions of results which suggest their hypothesis is met, when in the results it is not.

But since nobody bothers to read it will become another loose brick im the crumbly building of "Science" which when it collapses, will lead to witchhunts for white lab coat wearing charlatans.

Politics don't do anything than to provide this framework.
The scientists may be puppets on a stage.
But they pull their own strings.

[Anonymous No.15164156]

>>15163296
Not theirs...
Ours.
If it is public funding it is tax money

[Anonymous No.15164159]

>>15150058
I'm not a scientific dude by any means, I'm just kinda touring the board. But atheism isn't inherently bad. It's only bad when it turns into a basis of personality or the person turns into a dude who can't be around non-atheists. Also, a lot of atheists are just agnostic but don't know what the word means.
I've also got a question. Is racism allowed on this board? I wanna know before I make more hearty posts.

[Anonymous No.15164165]

>it violates the laws of physics
pretty lame excuse for the einstein crowd
we know the laws of physics, tesla knew the laws of physics
the hyperdimensional mind over matter consciousness field defines our reality
it can be controlled with electromagnetism and scalar waves
that's how the ufos work
electromagnetic gravitics, zero-point energy
astral projection, teleportation
telepathy
manifestation
all electromagnetic, we know how this works
might as well call them flying mechanical brains

[Anonymous No.15164169]

>>15164165
Mr Lazar, we've had this talk before.

[Anonymous No.15164208]

>>15164169
>>15164165
Imagine a topic so top secret, that they allow ex military just to spill the beans on Toe Rogan.
If I would be a evil militaristic "shadow government".
I would invest a lot of money in the building of flying plate shaped drones, and rainbowy weapons, and then terrorize the world with it.
Then I would make a lot of bold statements, about:
>we need to work together
>against a common enemy
>and thats why we need to raise the taxes
>create one world government
>for war in space against aliens
>and we need to draft as much capable people as possible

Then I would aditionally claim to have a "Shadow program" which identifies suitable Individuals for the war against aliens.
Which will be drafted with no way to say know, because it is for safety of humanity.
And thats why we need """more surveilance""" to find those special individuals.
Then I would get all people who work agains me any my Shadow Gov bros, and """draft""" them.
Then I would Put them into really shitty Rockets.
And just fling them into the ocean where they drown.
And sometimes some rocks just for the lulz.
And broadcast their dramatic splattered bodied, to create more "empathy".

And I know, that even no alien would be involved, the retarded normies, would get angry at them. Not us.
Even though we shot them "by mistake" into some rocks.
And we would still harness their hate, to get more power.
Then I would do some "Speech"
> "blah blah heros, war against memes"
And then bomb a few neigbourhoods again.

[Anonymous No.15164218]

>>15164208
I get what you mean, but I think government secret operations are actually more loose than you think. I think that as far as unplanned responses to negative situations go, the response that operatives involved had was believable. I believe Bob Lazar, at least in his most basic telling of the story.

[Anonymous No.15164227]

>>15164218
I don't want to get /x/ here.
But i don't like the fact, that he has a really wierd lastname.
That perfectly fits what he is.

You can believe as much as you want in his "bean spilling".

[Anonymous No.15164232]

>>15164227
Don't worry man, get se/x/y, I like it.

[Anonymous No.15164234]

>>15164208
>>15164218
>>15164227
either way, this will be the crux of the disclosure
>hyperdimensional mind over matter consciousness field
>allows levitation, astral projection, teleportation, multiple timelines, remote timeline viewing, telepathy, telekinesis, zero-point energy, and manifestation
>mechanized with ufos, antennas, and ai
>dominated by military, aliens, and non-corporal entities

[Anonymous No.15164307]

>>15151787
anarchocapitalism exists right now

why is Somalia not leading the world in scientific advancement?

[Anonymous No.15164329]

>>15149929
This is all the fault of democrats. To save the planet all of them must be mutilated and fed to stray dogs.

[Anonymous No.15164357]

Kek

"Science" is apperently so non validated, that there is not even a common understanding of "Vitamin D" and its non existant benefits.

>>15164261

>>15164261

>>15164261

Apparently we are sold supplement of Vitamin that is not even a Vitamin, but a steroid, which benefits are not even existing.
And apperently it plays a negative role in the inflamatory intestinal syndromes such as celiac disease.

[Anonymous No.15165243]

>>15164159
>atheism isn't inherently bad
wrong, the problems instigated by atheism and atheists collectively reveal that atheism is humanity's single worst trouble.
atheism is inherently bad.
atheists are amoral and untrustworthy by definition

[Anonymous No.15165256]

>>15164307
Lol, are you fucking retarded? Somalia was full military socialist until 1991 and currently has a government with plenty of power and corruption.

You're a mindless statist bootlicker, so of course that question was redundant.

[Anonymous No.15165436]

>>15159811
>for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true
because the amount of correct study designs are vastly outnumbered by ways to fuck up.

[Anonymous No.15165485]

>>15165436
>correct study designs are vastly outnumbered by ways to fuck up.
Yes.
And nobody cares.
Just design a study.
Use unverfied method of analizing the data.
Also use anverfied device or test to measure the data.
Also use unreliable source of context data for study subject.
Also don't do a control.
Also invent some exclusion criteria...
Afterwards because your data does not make sense.
Also move the goalpost by shortening or lenghtening the observation period mid study.
Also now involve third party data, because of exclusion it would appear inconconclusive.
Also use meta anylysis which relies on 20 different observation and study design patterns, because you run out of time and cannot analyze the data yourself, and just pretend that it fits into your study design.
Then hide everything behind Buzzword Bingo Lingo and flood of technical terms, and hope nobody notice it.
And thats how you create a study nowdays.
(Mostly live sciences and sociology)

[Anonymous No.15165804]

>>15153627
Based

[Anonymous No.15166440]

>>15152023
That's a lot of words to say diversity is destroying the fabric of society.

[Anonymous No.15166448]

>>15149929
experimental physicist here. i try to hold up scientific standards but i’ve seen so much bullshit go down in my field.
>Female student presents something
>it has major problems
>let’s open the floor to questions for her
>”Thank you! That was so great. We approve you with no questions!

this is an oversimplification but that’s how it goes down at the major collaborations. if you want a reliable result you basically can’t trust anything besides the ones done by white cis heterosexual men because you can be sure they did a fucking good job and faced every possible objection, whereas any woman or minority was just cheered on from beginning to end.

[Anonymous No.15166490]

>>15149929
science died in January of 2020, from that moment it's called mayormaynotbeience

[Anonymous No.15166504]

>>15160864
>And medicine.
Female dominated.
>And quantum physics.
You mean quantum mechanics? That's not true, it's probably one of the most reproducible fields we've redone all the 20th century experiments several times over by now.
>And yes in maths....
Wrong.
>There are no """math studies""" that impact real life.
Wrong. Math as a higher impact than science. Math gets used in engineering and control models.

[Anonymous No.15166512]

>>15166504
>You mean quantum mechanics? That's not true, it's probably one of the most reproducible fields we've redone all the 20th century experiments several times over by now.
> experiments

Kek. experiments.
Wich observe things in the scale of 0.00000000000001nm3 and with a event duration of 0.0000000000000001ns and a energy of 0.000000000000nJ
Write big conclusions.
Discussion:
> might also be nothing and we did a measurement error

[Anonymous No.15166514]

>>15149929
>Why is this ok?
Gee, I wonder why.
Why do you think it was okay for Ahab to sacrifice his son to Moloch?
Do you think mankind has changed that much since then?
Science came to be thanks to a handful of men; most other men are incapable of understanding it, and they see no problem with subverting it for their own nefarious purposes.

[Anonymous No.15166522]

>>15166504
>quantum physics.
>>15166512
"I have walked across the surface of the sun. I have witnessed events so tiny and so fast, they could hardly be said to have occurred at all."

[Anonymous No.15166602]

>>15166504
>Wrong. Math as a higher impact than science. Math gets used in engineering and control models.
>2+2=4 is useful therefore the most remote field in algebraic topology must be useful

[Anonymous No.15166611]

>>15149929
Only useful reply incoming:
Popular science is a recruiting pool. It is more profitable to have goyim waste billions of dollars on the education system and shitting out midwit soientists if it means Darpa and Lockheed don't accidentally miss the one in a million intelligent person they can then hire for their globohomo project.

[Anonymous No.15166824]

>>15165243
>I need a sky daddy to be moral
Sounds like a (you) problem

[Anonymous No.15167157]

>>15151678
Medicine is 2 years pre clinic. The other 3 years is learning to work with patients (and a year of practice)
The real learning comes afterwards when you do your specialisation. Like 5 years of genetics etc.

[Anonymous No.15167176]

>>15164307
I can 100% guarantee you browse reddit.com.
I can also guarantee every datapoint from which you constructed your worldview is solely evaluated on it's popularity.

[Anonymous No.15167180]

>>15166490
What are you on about this has been known since at least 2014.
If anything "the science" is Frankenstein's monster born in 2020

[Anonymous No.15167402]

>>15167180
>What are you on about this has been known since at least 2014.
>If anything "the science" is Frankenstein's monster born in 2020

The Science was Born shortly after WWI and propageted itself vial military means in every aspect of life.
The twentyfive years after WWII brought the most fundamental claims of Science, which were undebated bacause of the cold war.

And this monster slowly grew um until 2012 in which it had a a small halt.
And then it accelerated in 2016 to an enormous kraken that achieved its final form in 2020.
The military intervention in the sciences lead to two essential issues:
>fear
>sabotage by misdirection

[Anonymous No.15167430]

>>15150050

It IS exactly like that! Mountains of BS built on mountains of BS. House of cards. Science died in the 20th century. Quantum mechanics destroyed science. Modern science will collapse eventually. The existential crisis will be massive for a lot of people. I think we'll see a big movement towards religion in the next few decades.

[Anonymous No.15167453]

>>15166602
>algebraic topology must be useful
Yes, in fact AT gets used in optimization theory a lot which is central to engineering design and control.

[Anonymous No.15167608]

>>15167430
>I think we'll see a big movement towards religion in the next few decades.

And the religion will be The Science.
>Trust the Science

[Anonymous No.15167622]

>>15167608

Science already is a religion. I think we'll see a growing schism. 21st century will be defined by the breakdown of modern science. Maybe 22nd century we'll get rebirth and actual progress. 20th century was science reaching its apex.

[Anonymous No.15167758]

>>15167622
>>15149980

And TED talks.
TEDtalks ruined science.
Really.

[Anonymous No.15168190]

>>15167758

kek

[Anonymous No.15169321]

>>15167453
contemporary engineering is idiotic, anyone and anything involved with it is undoubtedly very low iq

[Anonymous No.15169974]

>>15169321
>contemporary engineering is idiotic, anyone and anything involved with it is undoubtedly very low iq

Elaborate further.

[Anonymous No.15171223]

Science became a meanungless term.

[Anonymous No.15172378]

>>15171223
not if you can differentiate between science and s o y e n c e

[Anonymous No.15172597]

>>15150058
stontoss. stoneytoss chuck sneed nigger penis.

[Anonymous No.15173138]

>>15166824
sounds like a logical extension of Darwinism, with no limits on what makes someone more fit to survive

[Anonymous No.15173163]

>>15173138
If you base your moral basis on the survival of the species then you inevitably end up coming to the conclusions Plato came to in the republic: a just man is what a man should be, with just being what's good for society as a whole (that itself being up for debate of course, hence why several political idelogies exist).
If everyone lies all the time society collapses, so lying is morally bad even if one lie doesn't collapse society on itself. Etc etc...
So Darwinism still supports the same morals that religion uses. If you think about it, even religion evolved in a darwinist way, so you come to the conclusion that at least part of the preachings of various religions are to be accepted as morally correct even in an atheist society.

[Anonymous No.15173187]

>>15165243
Christians are intellectually bankrupt and brainwashed, they’re far worse than atheists

[Anonymous No.15173196]

>>15173163
>the survival of the species
Natural selection emphasizes the survival of the individual's lineage. Rape for the purposes of procreation is Darwinistic in a strict sense. Lying to advantage yourself and your progeny is Darwinistic.

[Anonymous No.15173209]

>>15173196
This is the thesis of Dawkins' gene research btw. It's Atheist dogma.

[Anonymous No.15173238]

>>15173196
Protecting your women from being raped (at least by low value men) is then also Darwinistic, it prevents your family tree from being dirtied and keeps your family in higher social regard

[Anonymous No.15173248]

>>15173238
That's still you as an individual acting against the impulses of others. Under the Atheist dogma you should be at constant war with society to get one over on them and dominate them so your line can prosper and theirs can die out.

[Anonymous No.15173261]

>>15173163
who said anything about survival of the species. Survival is a competition between the individual against the rest of the species, for who's going to be the one whose able to enrich/empower themselves so that they are the one who wins the survival competition instead of the other individual. Might makes right. Might makes survival.

[Anonymous No.15173286]

>>15173248
>That's still you as an individual acting against the impulses of others
>you should be at constant war with society to get one over on them and dominate them
The second thing you said sounds like the first thing though.

[Anonymous No.15173290]

>>15173286
Yes. They're making the same point. You (assuming you operate under Atheist dogma) should not care about "society" whatsoever and in fact are obliged to act in an amoral and self-serving way.

[Anonymous No.15173297]

>>15173290
Why not? People don't seem to like someone who doesn't give a shit about others. In order to win high value women and gain access to useful social circles, you at least need to present some level of respect for the people you interact with and their values and beliefs.

[Anonymous No.15173412]

>>15173297
Like Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby, Bob Hope, Harvey Weinstein, Lance Armstrong, Kevin Spacey, an innumerable multitude of people we don't know about because they have been successful at this so far.

[Anonymous No.15173427]

>>15173412
>Only listing politicians and people in entertainment
Both are, historically, systemically, morally bankrupt and rife with degeneracy

[Anonymous No.15173471]

>>15173427
Because those are the ones people know about. Wouldn't make sense to mention someone you never heard of. Plus, many of the celebrities we find out about are only when their usefulness to the entertainment industry is finished, so the open secrets get published.

[Anonymous No.15174026]

>>15173297
>In order to win high value women and gain access to useful social circles

This is the most sad point of it.
It is all sibjective.
Not objective at all.

And it all apear to me, you both >>15173412

Are hedonistic and selfish. Otherwise you wouldn't act like this superficial crap would matter.

Caring about people, you wouldn't even know that they exist if it wasn't for the entertainment Industry.
The whole idea, that you would view people that are ACTORS as "High Quality" judt because the TV told you so, is crazy.
They ACT. Pretend to be what they are not for a living.
Not even considering, that the whole "scandal" and "gossip" shit is also just an Act for PR.
You don't know, I don't know.
Nobody but they know.
Acting is deceptive and the whole Entertainment industry is.
And claiming this is or associating it with "high value" means you fell for their memes.

Just like the clinging to darwinism...
Which comes from a incest product who also fucked his cousin.
Which is not proven nor is there a method to prove it.
The closest thing we know that is Darwinism adjacent is: "incest is bad & Healthy parents make healthy children."

Everything else is just eugenicist crap to justify: "Rules for thee but not for mee, teehee teehee."

[Anonymous No.15174189]

>>15173261
Civilized society makes survival easier both for the alpha and the beta, and is thus superior to uncivilized society regardless of your physical strenght

[Anonymous No.15174495]

>>15167430
it's funny that I've found even reading sabine hossenfelder's popsci book, she tends to sort of shamefully palm off her own area of interest (i.e. quantum whatever) except in the context of delving into interesting theories about cosmic entropy and different theories of time,
but even then she pretty much acknowledges that reductionism and the study of quantum physics is pointless outside of finding new ways to measure things, or at least for now anyway.
It's the only reason I ever listened to anything she said really, she seems to denounce her own field completely but understands that people want to know what they're actually looking into

[Anonymous No.15175208]

>>15166512
i'm not big into quantum mechanics but posts like this make me think all the shit it gets is only due to brainlets that have no idea what they are talking about.

[Anonymous No.15175229]

>>15150467
Capitalism Gave us the Aeroplane.
The Wright Brothers were more of Researchers than any blue haired faggot sitting in any Gobermint Funded Research Centre.

[Anonymous No.15175237]

>>15175208
>i have no idea or education about this topic
>thats why i think i should develop opinions about it's nature
>hmmmm, how do decide my opinions?
>well, i have no education or experience to rely on so i'll just use my emotions to form my opinions about scientific topics
>lets see, i'm a vaxxxies and i fukkin loev soience, so i think i'll trust the soience
>the soience is settled!
>#TrustSoience
>#BelieveSoience

[Anonymous No.15175240]

>>15166504
Dude Entire field of Quantum Mechanics is Bogus. Physics died in 20th century.
Quantum Mechanics has no Applications and has done nothing for humanity.
It is quite literally bunch of Ooga Bogga.

[Anonymous No.15175245]

>>15149929
Go back to your containment board, incel.

[Anonymous No.15175252]

>>15175237
kek

[Anonymous No.15175257]

>>15174495
Which book are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.15175271]

>>15150467
So you can never move past step 1?

[Anonymous No.15175299]

>>15175237
>i have no idea or education about this topic
>thats why i think i should develop opinions about it's nature
>hmmmm, how do decide my opinions?
>well, i have no education or experience to rely on so i'll just use my emotions to form my opinions about scientific topics
>lets see, i'm smart and i fukkin heard a nigger on a documentary say that if i don't stare at my desk lamp the light becomes a wave
>i also seen a Tesla quote on 4chan saying that new models are products of mathematics and detached from reality, i agree!
>the soience is settled!
>#QuantumScam
>#iDidTheResearch

[Anonymous No.15175302]

>>15175240
t. low IQ science denier

The only reason the far-right likes to seethe about quantum mechanics and relativity is because these subjects were pioneered by Jews, and because modern physics has been crucial for maintaining western dominance in the face of German and Russian authoritarianism, first during WW2 and then during the Cold War and even today.

[Anonymous No.15175325]

>>15175302
Kvetch harder kike.
Quantum Mechanics is BS just like your desert religion and GOD

[Anonymous No.15175356]

>>15149929
The day a society seriously started asking the question if men could birth was the day it took the offramp from science
Real science would reveal everything to be fake and gay. They will never let that

[Anonymous No.15175370]

>>15175302
>and because modern physics has been crucial for maintaining western dominance in the face of German and Russian authoritarianism, first during WW2 and then during the Cold War and even today.
Nazis built all of the technology the US uses to stay dominant under threat of execution.

[Anonymous No.15175428]

The GPS system is frequently used as proof or relativity being validated, with the claim being made that the time shift due to Time Dilation must be accounted for in calculations.
However, some simple reasoning about the GPS system makes it immediately obvious that's not true.
GPS has a system of time synchronisation to a ground base station, as the expectation was that the atomic clocks on the satellites were less precise & would drift.
As such, as the satellite clocks drift, whether it's from time dilation or errors in the clock, it doesn't really matter, the error is immediately corrected & the clock skew fixed by the time synchronisation mechanism
A paper by the GPS Joint Program office, says the time drift adjustments aren't needed.
A study published in 2003, though, claims it's necessary without actually laying out what the value is, nor justifying why the time synchronisation system doesn't suffice. Wikipedia editors, however, take the paper as "fact", without taking the time to reason about whether it makes sense.
And this is the state of "science" & "facts"

[Anonymous No.15175449]

Physics is mostly guess work sold in math carry bags.
When Dutch moved out to rob others
Robbery became Colonization
Likewise
Attraction became gravity
Hail refusing to accelerate became terminal velocity
No clue about why submerged body loses mass became buoyancy
No clue about Mercury regression became warped space
& riches followed!

[Anonymous No.15175460]

>>15175302
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.15175930]

>>15175257
Existential physics, she rambles on a lot about how quantum physics are making some discoveries but also about how it seems to have polluted science- that's at least the attitude I get from this so far (3/4 through)
The book isn't an argument against modern science by any means but she seems pretty cynical of what it has become via describing it.
I knew nothing about anything to do with quantum science going into it, and what I've come away with is that it hasn't contributed all that much apart from wacky theories about where we came from or where we're going-- again, not nothing, but the cost benefit seems pretty meh.
If that is not correct, fair enough

[Anonymous No.15175935]

>>15175930
I should also add that I still am enjoying the book, because this site loves to dump on shit mercilessly and I feel like it's worth defending to the average person wanting to dig a little deeper