Pedophilia = mental illness?

[Anonymous No.15106495]

So, pedophilia is frequently cited as a mental illness, while homosexuality is frequently cited as a neutral mental state.
For academic purposes, this is really confusing, because every single symptomatic claim of one appears to be identical for the other, safe for the target attraction.
How do the non-societally-driven criterias differ for one to be recognized as a mental condition and the other as "just a sexuality"?

[Anonymous No.15106501]

>>15106495
give it enough time, pedophilia will be just as normal as mutilating your own genitals and pretending to be someone of the opposite sex

[Anonymous No.15106504]

>>15106495
agenda probably?

now jokes aside, my bet is it will be accepted in the future, no in practice probably but wil get the 'meh's'. Just like in the past LGBT were basically capital sins and now a lot of people encourage them and others don't give a fuck. Give it a little time, half or century maybe, But mostly probable we will not be alive to see this happen anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.15106512]

>>15106504
>But mostly probable we will not be alive to see this happen anytime soon.
sorry but the past decade we went from legalizing homosexuality to this insane clown show we live in now where kids are actively encouraged to go to 18+ drag shows and gay bars to learn "empathy". i'll give it 3 decades tops, 2035 at the earliest.

[Anonymous No.15106513]

>>15106495
>this is really confusing
two consenting adults
simple as

[Anonymous No.15106517]

>>15106513
but adults are now saying that children can consent for HRT or other permanently altering surgeries, sooner or later they'll say the same thing that kids can consent to having a relationship with an adult .

[Anonymous No.15106522]

>>15106513
What does sexual activity have to do with sexual attraction?
I can be homosexual and never touch another man.
I can be pedophilic and never touch a child.

[Anonymous No.15106527]

>>15106512
argh, you got a point there anon. yeah now that you mention that it's more of a possibility now.

tbf, watching that clown show in the near future will be cringe as fuck but interesting,

[Anonymous No.15106529]

>>15106517
>sooner or later they'll say
nah

[Anonymous No.15106536]

>>15106522
You're heterosexual and never touch any women.

[Anonymous No.15106651]

>>15106517
Sounds like an american problem I'm too european to understand

[Anonymous No.15106657]

>>15106513
Incest?
>muh deformed babies
Gay incest or incest with an infertile relative

[Anonymous No.15106679]

>>15106517
>sooner or later they'll say the same thing that kids can consent to having a relationship with an adult .
I mean, consider that "consenting" to pedophilia involves the choices of both a child and an adult, whereas HRT is *supposed* to be the exclusive choice of the child. Now however much the parent is involved does matter.

>>15106495
With homosexuals there's no pathology, there's no deficits. Studies found that pedophiles were more likely to be lower IQ, have a childhood traumatic brain injury, be more likely left handed and to have other mental illnesses among other things.

Homosexuals dont appear to have anything else wrong with them, save for a higher rate of anxiety/depression. You get a small minority of pedophiles who claim to be homosexual, but I'm dubious as to whether that's true.

[Anonymous No.15106688]

>>15106679
>Studies found that pedophiles were more likely to be lower IQ, have a childhood traumatic brain injury, be more likely left handed and to have other mental illnesses among other things.
Excellent bait, actually.

[Anonymous No.15106698]

>>15106657
hetero thing mostly

[Anonymous No.15106791]

>>15106513
What does that have to do with the attraction itself being indicative of mental illness?

[Anonymous No.15106795]

>>15106495
Anyone else remember "T" standing for transvestite?

[Anonymous No.15106805]

>>15106495
>criterias

[Anonymous No.15106809]

>>15106795
yeah, that's what tranny is short for

[Anonymous No.15106812]

>>15106688
They're not talking about some dude who got a boner because he saw a 17 year old. They're talking about actually mentally ill people who are into 8 year olds.

[Anonymous No.15106822]

>>15106679
>You get a small minority of pedophiles who claim to be homosexual
Usually, homosexual pedophiles just call themselves homosexual, but that's besides the point.

[Anonymous No.15106868]

>>15106679
>Studies found that pedophiles were more likely to be lower IQ, have a childhood traumatic brain injury, be more likely left handed and to have other mental illnesses among other things.

ok just because nobody have told this itt yet, here:
>correlation does not imply causation

[Anonymous No.15106871]

>>15106501
>give it enough time, pedophilia will be just as normal
It was always normal though...or at least not illegal, if frowned upon

[Anonymous No.15106882]

>>15106495
i just noticed that there are no trisexuals, how queer...

[Jealous No.15106905]

>cutting your dick off and slicing a tranny hole into your chode is cool
>fucking them kids is too much though

[Anonymous No.15106925]

>being sexually attracted to physically sexually mature women is a mental illness
>wanting to stick penis in poopy bumhole is mentally neutral

don't even try that Schrödinger's pedophile bs, my post is irrefutable.

[Anonymous No.15106928]

>>15106495
So.... I noticed that literally everything they call a 'rights issue' has the effect of lowering birth rates dramatically.... that's weird...

[Anonymous No.15106932]

>>15106679
>be more likely left handed
kek you got me

[Anonymous No.15106951]

>>15106925
>sexually mature women
We're talking about pedophilia. After puberty it's a different philla but not because of defect just monkey brain.

[Anonymous No.15106955]

>>15106512
maybe pederasty will be legalised but older male (espcially white male) and younger female relationship most definetely will not be normalized or legalized.

[Anonymous No.15106960]

All of the above letters are mental illness.

[Anonymous No.15106961]

>>15106679
>Just remembered my brother is left-handed
>He's having a daughter

[Anonymous No.15106973]

>>15106961
observe him secretly, if you find out he is a pedo, you will have much easier time convincing him to let you look after his daughter (and have fun) when he and his partner are busy with things and need a child carer.

[Anonymous No.15106974]

>>15106973
Thank you, I will make sure to ask to take care of my niece when she reaches her prime.

[Anonymous No.15106975]

>>15106974
Sorry, I should have been more clear, reaches her prime for my brother.

[Anonymous No.15107008]

>>15106679
you cant do studies on pedophiles in general, only on convicted sex offenders, because obviously no one is going to openly admit to being a pedophile.

[Anonymous No.15107013]

>>15106679
study group consists only of pedos dumb enough to get caught.
>jeez these guys have low iq.
I wonder why?

[Anonymous No.15107015]

>>15106495
They shouldn't obviously, but it's argued that there is less harm between two, seemingly, concenting adults than an adult and a child. Weirdly it's defined on harm than actual biology probably, as well as a social and political movement. But people do things all the time that harm them and are consentual but they're illegal because those people shouldn't be doing them for their own benefit and others

[Anonymous No.15107019]

>>15106928
The galactic federation won’t let us in if we wipe out other races so they had to shut it down

[Anonymous No.15107051]

>>15106495
Society indoctrinates us to believe that having even the slightest feeling of attraction to someone even one second under an arbitrary age is the worst crime possible and deserving of horrific torture and death. Such indoctrination is not conducive to logical thoughts about the subject.

[Anonymous No.15107052]

>>15106975
haha, I understood you the first time.
Yes, take care of her, she needs human contact, don't be afraid to hug her and tickle her. Give her a bath before bed.

[Anonymous No.15107069]

>>15106501
two more weeks

[Anonymous No.15107071]

>>15106495
the last thing the NWO wants is people reproducing marrying and having healthy relationships in their youth. that extends to vilifying anyone .00001 nanoseconds above the age of 18 liking someone younger than that age. today its 18, yesterday it was 16, and tomorrow it will be 21. the goal is simple and we are already on the road to hell

[Anonymous No.15107079]

>>15107051
>that having even the slightest feeling of attraction to someone even one second under an arbitrary age is the worst crime possible and deserving of horrific torture and death.
Normal people don't say this. This is almost entirely confined to terminally online extreme christian weirdos who just want to vent their murder fantasies at an easy target.

[Anonymous No.15107093]

Scientifically speaking, without ethical dilemma, it's a spectrum of human attraction. Some are attracted to older, some to dead, some to inanimate, some to fictional, some to conceptual, some to young, some to same gender, some to sick/diseased, etc. It's not a single guage either since people can have multiple different attractions at same time and mix match them.

Mental illness is a psychological/medical term used by society as shortcuts/heuristics to explain away those deemed outside the most common middle ground. One level below that is to criminalization of behaviours. It's all means to create a stable boundary in society to keep peace for the majority.

[Anonymous No.15107094]

>I WANT TO MAKE IT HARD FOR LITTLE KIDS TO POOP.
This should be required t-shirt text worn by all pedophiles, including me, at all times, in public.
And you have to make loud farting noises if you walk near a school.
You know, so the horny kids can come out and get fucked by my big dick.

[Anonymous No.15107095]

>>15107093
The level of cope in this post is astronomical. I don't need society to tell me that degenerates who feel sexual attraction towards a 5 years old have something seriously wrong with their heads.

[Anonymous No.15107097]

>>15107095
What about attraction towards 15 yo ?

[Anonymous No.15107100]

>>15107097
Notice your desperate deflection. A 15 years old may or may not look like something a biologically normal man could plausibly be attracted to.

[Anonymous No.15107104]

>>15107100
So 15 yo is fine. Congrats, you are now officially a pedo.

[Anonymous No.15107105]

>>15107104
Pedophilia is attraction to prepubescents, tard. Either way, your depserate deflections are irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.15107112]

>>15107105
Either way you are a pedo.

[Anonymous No.15107113]

>>15107112
Don't care. Society doesn't decide who's mentally ill. I do. You need to be shot.

[Anonymous No.15107116]

>>15107113
You are a fucking pedofile, you sick fuck!

[Anonymous No.15107120]

>>15107116
Cry harder, oversocialized drone. """Society""" doesn't decide who's mentally ill. I do.

[Anonymous No.15107152]

>>15107120
yeah, you like touching underage girls, you fucking scum, YOU PEDOFILE!!!

[Anonymous No.15107155]

>>15107152
With the 15 years olds they manage to produce these days, I strongly maintain that you are mentally deformed if you don't find yourself wanting to bang them occasionally.

[Anonymous No.15107161]

>>15107155
Oh I do but in the eyes of law thats pedofilia, fuck a 15 yo and you will lose job, house, friends, family and your freedom

[Anonymous No.15107163]

>>15107161
>in the eyes of law
The law is written by actual pedophiles (the kind that have orgies with 7 years old boys) and worshipped by mindless golems.

[Anonymous No.15107303]

>>15106495
Ok let's get real for a moment
The majority of sexual offenses on minors involves teenagers.
It's has been recognized by the medical associations that being attracted to teenagers (aka hebephilia) is not a mental illness.
The reason why having sex with teens is frowned upon is because teens are too fucking naive.
There's a reason why brothels a few centuries ago were hiring teenagers because they didn't fully understand the implications and clients wanted to mate with girls that haven't hit the wall yet.
Being attracted to prepubescent kids (aka pedophilia) is indeed considered a mental illness because young kids cannot procreate yet.
Pedos have the choice to either take pills to reduce their libido or get shot on the spot.

[Anonymous No.15107360]

>>15106495
Mental illness is something that causes significant distress or impairment. If you are a pedo, and just live a normal life and maybe jerk off to lolis and/or have petite wife it is not a mental illness, just a paraphilia like any other.

>>15107303
>is indeed considered a mental illness because young kids cannot procreate yet.
That's only if that causes you a distress. There is plenty of people who live in relationships where they can't or don't want procreate or even live in celibacy and it doesn't indicate any mental illness on its own.
If you are a pedo but you just aren't bothered by it then it's not illness. There is quite a lot of people like that.

[Anonymous No.15107361]

>>15106495
>pedophilia is frequently cited as a mental illness, while homosexuality is frequently cited as a neutral mental state.
Homosexuality is a mental change due to several factors from conception to adulthood. (Infections, parasites, toxins, grooming)

Pedophilia is a social construct mostly now, as finding anyone under 30 is now considered pedophilia.

Adults who find pre-pubescent children under 9-10 sexually attractive are probably also the result of similar causes as homosexuality.

[Anonymous No.15107363]

>>15107361
>Homosexuality is a mental change due to several factors from conception to adulthood. (Infections, parasites, toxins, grooming)
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.15107377]

>>15106495
Psychologists are idiots, "mental illness" is completely arbitrary.

[Anonymous No.15107385]

>>15107303
>pills to reduce their libido
Don't those cause a fuck load of health problems?

[Anonymous No.15107391]

>>15107385
feed them s o y and troonshine.

[Anonymous No.15108932]

[Anonymous No.15108939]

>>15106495
>How do the non-societally-driven criterias differ for one to be recognized as a mental condition and the other as "just a sexuality"?
Start by defining mental illness first. From there, it shouldn't be too hard to tell whether something is a mental illness or not.

[Anonymous No.15108941]

>>15108939
>Start by defining mental illness first.
Okay, define it for me.

[Anonymous No.15108946]

>>15108941
I'd define it as sickness of the mind, and I'd define sickness as something that impairs normal function.

But my own definitions are probably not worth very much, so arguing based on them is not very meaningful.

[Anonymous No.15109077]

[Anonymous No.15109088]

>>15109077
Awww, he looks so happy on that image.
No way he didn't enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.15109100]

>>15109088
he did look very happy in the cp images. still, it's a nefarious way of raising a child.
i wonder how he's doing now

[Anonymous No.15109101]

>>15109100
holy shit hahaha fuck off

[Anonymous No.15109116]

>>15106495
It's very simple:
*Pedophilic disorder* is a mental illness (same as psychopathy and/or sex addiction)
*Pedophilia* is a sexuality (same as heterosexuality and/or homosexuality)

[Anonymous No.15109118]

>>15109116
That's the DSM-V definition, right?

[N No.15109280]

>>15106651
this guy is just busy pushing aside tents of rapefugees that lay on his way to work give him a break

[Anonymous No.15109430]

>>15108946
>I'd define it as sickness of the mind, and I'd define sickness as something that impairs normal function.
That's pretty much meaningless because now you would have to define normal function. What that would be? People are different, they have various quirks, kinks but just because they do or don't do something that people normally do doesn't mean it's an illness.

[Anonymous No.15109461]

>>15106812
Two sides of the same coin. Unless you're 17-19 you shouldn't be into 17yos, it's like being into old ladies as an adult. Not immortal, just weird.

[Anonymous No.15109470]

>>15106495
>Pedophilia = mental illness?

[Anonymous No.15109472]

>>15106961
Did he suffer any childhood head trauma? Do you perhaps think he's a little slower on the mental side? I'm sorry for your loss anon.

[Anonymous No.15109475]

>>15109472
Not that I'm aware of, and I'm obviously the more intelligent of the two.
>I'm sorry for your loss anon.
I haven't lost anything, not even my virginity.

[Anonymous No.15109476]

>>15106657
All humans are related and are children of just one woman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

[Anonymous No.15109479]

>>15109461
>Two sides of the same coin.
Tell us you are a faggot without limpwristing your faggot hand.

[Anonymous No.15109491]

>>15106868
You don't understand exactly what I'm saying. With psychology there is no "singular illness". Virtually all mental diseases have other symptoms besides the primary one. However behaviors usually work the other way as well: if there's no other symptoms then it can't be classified as a disease. Homosexuality doesn't have any other observed symptoms. We've observed these people a lot and science hasn't found any definite indicators that it's a mental aberration or delusion.

Transgenderism on the other hand, well lets not go there because it's touchy.

[Anonymous No.15109564]

[Anonymous No.15109606]

>>15109479
Was it really that obvious lol?

[Anonymous No.15109726]

>>15109491
>Transgenderism on the other hand, well lets not go there because it's touchy.
damn faggots try to touch me and they die. not getting assaulted by some diseased troon.

[Anonymous No.15110040]

>>15106495
freud did an essay on this, he concluded being gay wasn't an illness.

[Anonymous No.15110643]

>>15106495
I think pedophilia and hebephilia are considered mental illnesses by society because they're inherently predatory, and people with such preferences tend to have little interest in partners of similar age to themselves. It's really not so much an illness (in the sense that it's not debilitating) as an obsession that is fundamentally incompatible with civilized society.

[Anonymous No.15110664]

>>15110643
There is no such thing as "hebephilia".

[Anonymous No.15110841]

>>15110664
Hebephilia is when someone is primarily attracted to pubescent people.

[Anonymous No.15110886]

>>15106495
>>15106495
Adults have developed sexual organs, which is the one true objective point of sexual attraction. Children do not.
To feel sexually attracted to an individual that shows no signs of sexual validity is complete nonsense from a biological perspective.
You could argue that homosexual intercourse also lacks any function in terms of reproduction, but the fact that the act itself won't work is besides the point, the point is that a kid is at first glance and very obviously just not apt for reproduction under any circumstances.

[Anonymous No.15110888]

>>15110886
>To feel sexually attracted to an individual that shows no signs of sexual validity is complete nonsense from a biological perspective.
It's not, actually. You can be fertile but not show any secondary sexual characteristic.

[Anonymous No.15110915]

>>15110888
As long as they have grown into adult-sized humans, they show at least one characteristic useful for reproduction, children fail that test.

[Anonymous No.15110918]

>>15110841
Attraction to prime fertile pussy is perfectly normal. There is no such thing as "hebephilia".

[Anonymous No.15110953]

>>15110918
>Attraction to prime fertile pussy is perfectly normal
Just because you consider something normal doesn't mean it doesn't exists.

[Anonymous No.15110968]

>>15110953
He's making a prescriptive statement on the nature of language.

[Anonymous No.15110970]

>>15110886
Your definition of "true objective point of sexual attraction" doesn't matter when in reality people are attracted to all sorts of stuff.

>To feel sexually attracted to an individual that shows no signs of sexual validity is complete nonsense from a biological perspective.
There is a lot more to human pair bonding than that. Humans have to raise their offspring, just finding a fertile pussy is not enough to ensure it will survive. There is tons of different aspects that make potential candidate for reproduction and caring for any of them that increases chances of successfully raising multitude of offspring makes perfect biological sense.

>the point is that a kid is at first glance and very obviously just not apt for reproduction under any circumstances.
They are very good target for reproduction. Even if they can't have children at the moment, raising offspring is a long-term investment. The younger you pick the more time you will have to breed. And young mind additionally can be groomed into being an overall better partners to ensure proper care and raising of your kids. It definitely makes sense from biological perspective.

[Anonymous No.15110986]

>>15110970
>Your definition of "true objective point of sexual attraction" doesn't matter when in reality people are attracted to all sorts of stuff.
Yes, but the OP specifically asked about things that can't be explained by social norms and customs, which excludes basically all fetishes.
>There is a lot more to human pair bonding than that.
True. But we're not discussing bonding, only sexual attraction.
>The younger you pick the more time you will have to breed
There's a very strict limit for that, which is the point when they become fertile. Any time prior does not add extra chances for breeding.
>And young mind additionally can be groomed into being an overall better partners
Again, that's totally unrelated to sexual attraction.

[Anonymous No.15110995]

>>15110953
>Just because you consider something normal doesn't mean it doesn't exists.
It's not that I "consider" it normal; it's that being sexually attracted to signs of youth and fertility IS normal. Dysgenic golems can invent arbitrary categories all they want (e.g. "teenager": a literal invention of American marketing strategists) but that doesn't make them real.

[Anonymous No.15110998]

>>15110986
>Again, that's totally unrelated to sexual attraction.
Not him, but the topic was the biological importance of age in sexual partners.
Whether younger mates make better partners is absolutely important when it comes to the state of evolutionary advantage.

[Anonymous No.15111006]

>>15110998
It makes sense that you would like to pick a romantic partner at a young age, it still doesn't follow that you would therefore feel sexually interested in them, since sex would serve no purpose at that point.
There's also the fact that no known mammal picks a partner before sexual development, which makes it very unlikely that humans would have such instinct.

[Anonymous No.15111007]

>>15111006
>it still doesn't follow that you would therefore feel sexually interested in them
Early sexual interest may strengthen the emotional bond between two partners.
>There's also the fact that no known mammal picks a partner before sexual development,
1) We don't know that.
2) Humans are very unique.

[Anonymous No.15111015]

>>15106495
Being attracted to sexually undeveloped children is a mental illness. Being attracted to sexually developed minors is normal.

[Anonymous No.15111019]

>>15110915
Greetings, I want to introduce you to the concept of petite women.

[Anonymous No.15111020]

>>15111007
>Early sexual interest may strengthen the emotional bond between two partners.
In that case it would make more sense for kids to develop a bond and develop sexually together, not an adult with a child.
>We don't know that.
We have great knowledge on mating habits of pretty much every mammal on Earth, saying "we don't know" is like saying "we don't know if there are unicorns out there". Sure, it might be that we haven't found an example yet, but it's very unlikely.
>Humans are very unique.
Not really, no. Cultural development is very unique, human biology isn't.

[Anonymous No.15111022]

>>15111019
No petite woman is naturally as small nor has the same proportions as a prepubescent kid.

[Anonymous No.15111023]

>>15111020
>In that case it would make more sense for kids to develop a bond and develop sexually together, not an adult with a child.
Evolution is never optimal.
>We have great knowledge on mating habits of pretty much every mammal on Earth
We actually don't.
>Not really, no.
Yes, really, yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7wFotDKEF4

[Anonymous No.15111028]

>>15111023
You are no longer making arguments just denying evidence and making assumptions.

[Anonymous No.15111097]

>>15111028
I am making arguments and I have even provided evidence.
You have not provided any evidence whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.15111108]

>>15106495
No one likes bisexuals. If you’re a guy who sucks dick or likes anal sex, there are very women who will be okay with that.
Transgenderism is a mental illness too.
Pedophilia is a criminal mental illness, like sociopathy.
Like, Sorry you were born that way, but it’s not our fault. If you act on being a pedophile, prepare to be killed or imprisoned for life.

[Anonymous No.15111110]

>>15111108
Pedophilia is not a crime, retard.

[Anonymous No.15111113]

>>15111108
Pedophilia is not a crime.
Having or attempting to have sex with children, or obtain child pornography, IS A CRIME.

[Anonymous No.15111114]

>>15111110
>>15111113
So close!

[Anonymous No.15111284]

>>15111110
>>15111113
ok, groomers

[Anonymous No.15111303]

>>15110995
Define normal. A lot of people (dare I say the majority) are attracted to people who are of a similar age

[Anonymous No.15111334]

>>15111303
>(the majority) are attracted to people who are of a similar age
That's a blatant lie. Try again.

[Anonymous No.15111351]

I am so glad I live in a country where 16 is fully legal provided both parties reached that age.

[Anonymous No.15111391]

>>15111334
Keep lying to yourself>>15111351

[Anonymous No.15111393]

>>15111391
Didn't mean to quote >>15111351

[Anonymous No.15111397]

>>15111351
>16
Try 14 (Germany).
It's fully legal to consensually fuck a fresh 14 year old until she passes out, but it's highly illegal to keep a photo of a naked 17 year old.
Funny how that works.

[Anonymous No.15111410]

>>15111391
Keep being a mentally ill golem. Hopefully they make it illegal for you to breed with anything younger than 40.

[Anonymous No.15111412]

>>15111351
are you happy about that because you're 16 years old or because you're a pedophile?

[Anonymous No.15111414]

>are you happy about that because you're 16 years old or because you're a pedophile?
Mentally ill golems will continue to seethe.

[Anonymous No.15111425]

>>15111412
Oh no I am 30.
I usually keep around 3-5 16-19 year-old girls interested in me. Gotta go find someone new soon.

>>15111397
Same here, keeping photos of anyone under 18 is illegal while fucking anyone over 16 is fine, so sadly I have to ask 17yo girls not to send me nudes.

[Anonymous No.15111439]

>>15111351
15 here.
It should be a standard world wide. Teenagers fuck all the time, there is no point in pretending they are innocent asexual angels.
Also I find it funny how Americans get offended when faced with the fact that other countries are not as puritan. They are so brainwashed by media and feminism they completely ignore any reason for why AoC exists or what is actually harmful. They just look at an arbitrary number media told them and decide if someone is a worst monster or innocent human in binary fashion.

[Anonymous No.15111455]

>>15106536
>go to crowded club
>tits touch your back when the biches are passing by