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>>14848401i just send a reply to a faggot that reads: "I hope they see it, bro"
100 years ago > 'I wonder what Venus & Mars are like, maybe there are cool creatures living there' > turns out they're shitty30 years ago > 'I wonder what exoplanets are like, maybe there are loads of Earthlike worlds'> turns out its hot Jupiters, hot Neptunes and other crapholes
>>14848411wait till the analysis of the Trappist planets spectra from jwst is done bro
>>14846423>Hydrogen conceptually is pretty cool, hydrogen as a "battery" for storing excess electricity produced by renewables>>14846858https://power.mhi.com/regions/amer/news/20220222/?utm_source=bw&utm_medium=release&utm_campaign=%20McDH2ValI know more than you.
>>14848412Then they should speed up its production or start a procurement.
>>14848373FTS Archivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharingUAE's Ajman state stamps, 1972-1973https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jX06axWCTE5eWcgp9CfgDIdFkQCubzVP?usp=sharing
>>14848417Even ARCA rockets are cooler. Unironically.
>>14848423I mean, it's cool that they're doing reusability with hydromeme but only from a material science perspective. The rocket itself is lame.
>>14848411So far, they could only detect huge planets that are orbiting very close, which is biased towards hot gas giants.
>>14848413>stellar wind as strong as the Suns but at 0.03 AUthey've been stripped bare
>>14848418>just speed up the production broWhy don't they do the same for starship?
>>14848431because they can't launch it. they were producing a prototype per month and they've slowed WAY down to save money.
>>14848431Why are you even mentioning Starship? We already have means to reach Mars, like Atlas V or Falcon Heavy, all you need is a payload.
>>14848413>implying Earthers could ever make it herelol. lmao even
>>14848437because developing a large scale, low pressure atmosphere, helicopter is far more difficult than developing starship.Both are something you can't "speed up" because then you skip the development part.
>popsci pseud thread
>>14848454So if JPL can't speed up their work, we're left with the second option.It's a joke that planetary exploration is like a lottery. Once in a few years, guys in suits decide whether we're going to explore Mars, Venus or maybe Uranus.
>>14848427It'd be cool if they were doing more with it. I'd like to see regular tourist flights since I was around when the Ansari X prize was being contested. You could put an upper stage on the New Shepard tail and have a partly reusable smallsat launcher. There were chances for interesting things.
>>14848373it is not by chance those look like massive dicks and people like little swimmers
>>14848459The guys in suits are almost always NASA administrators and board members.Currently Venus is a new point of interest, with missions like Shukrayaan-1, VERITAS, DAVINCI+, Venera-D, and EnVision under development
>>14848417100X more soul than Elon musk's scam/fad-X.
>>14848467I know, I don't like the fact that we're abandoning one planet for another.
>>14848468100x0=0
>>14848467>Venera-DAs much as I'd like to see it happen, I doubt the money is there
>>14848470It's more about the fact that when more missions are launched to one place, the scientific community shares that information.While waiting for new technologies to mature, they instead use developmental and existing technologies on planets where they've not been used before.Venus has been sort of left alone for some time now, latest dedicated mission was a small mission by JAXA in 2010. Before that missions were in 2005 and 2004
>>14848470It's an implicit vote of confidence in SpaceX. They're leaving Mars surface research to dudes with hand tools so they're focusing on the planet without a landable surface.
>>14848417meh
>>14848476I hope it gets better with the new Roskosmos admin.They're aiming for some record with Venera-D, the mission is even named after the word "Дoлгoживyщaя", meaning "long-lasting". They're aiming for the lander to last up to 3 hours, which would be double of the 1½ hour record of Venera-13
>>1484841913 stamps from the Ra's Al-Khaimah state of the UAE, 1969-1972https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jgj--kZbs0yYSmai6vOjTXsgIGGsEhEL?usp=sharing
>>14848486I'll just post two from the same series, all nine other stamps are Apollo stamps
starship launch NET 2023 https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/09/starship-next-phase-of-testing/
>>14848490That history report sure is taking a long time Elon
>>14848485I don’t think the mission is going to go through unless ESA joins on and can be scammed into paying for a huge chunk of it. NASA was going to supply instruments, but as of the start of the ukraine situation Rogozin put a halt to any collaboration. And I don’t know if it they plan on dialoguing for this mission again. Roscosmos could have used NASA cooperation it would have added stability to the mission
>>14848486>>14848489modern airplanes were barely 10 years old when they were building the shuttle
Speaking of ESA and Venus, I noticed VEXAG's listserv announcement of a talk they're giving at EPSC summarizing the state of Venus missions. Might actually get some news out of thathttps://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EPSC2022/session/44841
>>14848490>SpaceX hopes to complete this by mid-next month and clear both vehicles for launch shortly after. However, as we’ve seen in the past few weeks, any issues encountered during this intense test campaign could well mean a slip to later into the year and, perhaps, into next year.its over
>>14848456The VAB is the coolest building in the world, faggot
>>14848490Old news.
>>14848492Venera-D's mission plan actually never called for European collaboration, they did ask NASA in 2014 if they wanted to have any instruments onboard, which formed the Venera-D JSDT.Though the US imposed sanctions on Russia, Rogozin said that it'd be inappropriate for the JSDT to continue cooperation. That might have a chance of changing with Yury Borisov being in charge
>>14848486>Saturn-ShuttleWe were robbed
>>14848510>When your abort means staging on top of five million pounds of exploding rocket fuel
>>14848509I know. I’m saying IF they asked Yourope (and the euros agreed)
>>14848470the real Venus boom will happen once someone mans up and builds a high temp nuclear reactor that can power a cooler to bring the interior of a lander to lower temperatures. It could definitely be built the problem is that NASA takes a while just to build a reactor that works in room temperature
Can JWST loom at the centauri system planets? Just a mere 4 light years away.
>>14848523It is
>>14848523No
>y'all suck lmaobased
>>14848527bullshit, every company says that. what they mean is they want cheap foreign labor.
>>14848523it's hard, we need one hundred more billion dollars for that
>>14848530this
>>14848530Beware the pajeet
>>14848516Russia would still have the funding to make the mission themselves
>>14848527NZfag here, been in trades for years and applied to do composite manufacturing apprenticeship with rocketlab, I have a slick resume with great references. Didn't even get a call, white males need not apply I guess.
>>14848490same year as SLS......
>>14848562SLS is launching this month.
>>14848569I want it to get pushed back to Oct 2 because that's my birthday and it'd be a wonderful gift to see it explode that day.
>>14848373Game over.
>>14848527Nah this is actually pretty legitThe entire aerospace workforce is reaching their 50s and 60s now, but pipeline for the entry-level jobs is next to nonexistent (see also that Inmarsat space survey for how low on the totem pole space is)You're going to start seeing massive pushes for internships and career fairs over the next few years because they're not going to stick around to train their replacements
>>14848576>9.7K viewsanons I am going to start making spam spaceflight videos with disinformation thumbnails and a script I just copied from berger tweets. That many views = a lot of money
>>14848590That many views is worth fuck all
>>14848590See you in court.
>>14848590based do it and I'll post your thumbnails here if they amuse me.>disinformationI know this has come to mean "narratives I don't like", but I didn't notice any egregious factual errors in the video.
>>14848556Keep applying, HR everywhere loves to do stupid shit with resume screening
>>14848593that’s a be4 with an arrow pointing to a new shepard
>>14848600the thumbnails are always worse than the videos, thats why I like them.
Untiled Starship 26What did SpaceX mean by this?
>>14848658>JUST GET THAT PIECE OF SHIT LAUNCHING RIGHT NOW! NO SUGARCOATING!
>>14848658Is it supposed to mean something?
>>14848669Yeah, they stripped the remaining tiles from the nosecone and pushes it through the production line
>>14848669They usually come out mostly covered with tiles.
Sheared flow stabilized z-pinch fusion drive is the future and all of you are too weak to accept that.
>>14848669>>14848658S26 and onwards (who knows how many) will not be recovered and will be fully focused on deploying Starlink V2
silentwakerecords.com
>>14848471that's the true power of Starlink, it's forcing utilities to roll out good internet to more people or lose customers to Starlink
>>14848707Why would you make your reusable vehicle expendable for launches to LEO?
>>14848726jews hate him!see how this man is bettering the lives of rural people with one easy trick
>>14848728Something's changed in the workflow at Starbase and people are drawing wild assumptions as a result. I think it's more likely that the TPS has made a Raptor 1 to Raptor 2 update and It didn't make any sense completing a vehicle with the older materials.
>>14848693teach us anon. all i know about zpinch is there is a hot ex-spacex girl working on it
>>14848753they have a magical energy converter that makes their fusion squeezer work
>>14848728They want to start launching them but haven't gotten the reusability worked out. Starlink relies heavily on Starship starting up and they'll get useful data for developing it further.
>>14848414>He posts a corporate press release at me when I'm well aware that our government as well as the EU is pushing for cracked methane hydrogenI've already seen billions and billions disappear out of tax money into other countries leaving behind shitty windmills that produce fuck all jobs and move all income across borders. I know how this game is played.We pay, other people elsewhere take all the profit. Slap "green" on it and nobody will care until it's too late and it's already built.
NASA is a zombie organization.
>>14848764They just have really shitty PRNobody knows what the various research centers are doing without having to dig through websites older than some people posting here have been alive
>>14848764what's wrong anon? people retire, it happens. next year gwynne shotwell is retiring
>>14848762I was obviously SPECIFICALLY talking about hydrogen produced with electrolysis.>Slap "green" on it and nobody will care Yes, methane pyrolysis is undesireable because it produces CO2. Obviously, when it's done industrially all of that CO2 is captured but it's less desireable because it's annoying.>Guess where that hydrogen comes from. Protip: It's not from water.It is absolutely from water you double nigger.
>>14848783Well, the usual methane cracking releases CO2, pyrolysis doesn't but is annoying. that's what I meant.
>>14848480so fucking epicI lost all interest in space exploration in 2011
>>14848429No atmosphere to get in the way of rocket launches, perfect
>>14848756>energy converterLiquid metal blanket that absorbs the heat and neutrons. At least that's what they're trying to do with the Zap Energy reactor for power production.
>>14848783You posted a corporate press release about a demonstration setup.It's not fucking happening.
>>14848417What’s up with all the self-fellation? Even funnier since it actually looks like a penis.
>>14848417Cock worship
>>14848693How hard is it /sfg/ to dump 8,400,000,000,000 watts of electrical input power to initiate the reaction?
>>14848810easy, I've got it in a day
>>14848587Maybe they should pay entry level sorts better, or get people to stick around and train them Hehe or just try to hire the finite amount of experienced 40 year Olds
>>14848790A tech demonstrator of pyrolysis is not making hydrogen in any meaningful amount.
>>14848817I actually know very little about electrical stuff. How impossible/plausible is it to actually store that much power in a capacitor bank and then release it all at once?
>>14848845power and energy are very different thingsenergy is power for a certain amount of time, if you only need to generate that much power for a few nanoseconds it's much easier
https://youtu.be/JzWSYJBSAl4
>>14848853jesus christ another one?
>>14848428Didnt it detect planet 100au away
>>14848855yesterday scrubbed
>>14848853>>14848855>>14848859wait fuck
>>14848849Isn't it the other way around?
>>14848862watts are powerjoules are energywatts is joules per seconddon't get confused because I worded it in a strange way, it's just commutative algebra
>>14848437>all you need is a payloadWhat companies are working on moon and mars habitats, and the tools and robotics ais to assist in base/habitat, solar farm construction, what machine and technique would be able to be planted firmly in martin soil to tip a starship down horrizontal, to use as a base or if starship can have parachute after belly flop to upright landing position with parachute, if it's an unmanned ship, or I don't know, there's been no long term tests about how the materials we would use to build structures hold up over time inside and outside and making ground and.foundation. Do yeah we hear all about the work on all the rockets, but what's the 20 to 30 and more years of base and habitat in space and on moon and mars, being done by
>>14848853Is this one going to weather scrub too?
>>14848884already did>>14848861
>>14848865Did I do the thing?
>>14848527What does the pathway track of competently helpfully working in the aerospace industry and what are the talent needed roles like
>starlink launch scrubbedwhy even live
>>14848523What is the result of this did it do it? It sees 1000 lightyear exoplanet look like little dot has it posted images of much closer yet?
cursed mission
How certsain and prescise and strong and sturdy and agile and powerful is the hardware software computer engineering to make starship land itself, that's a miraculous feat the oft undiscussed computer electronics programing of spaceflight activities, it's crazy cool
>>14848658Spaceflight is the ultimate carnival ride
>>14848889I remeber som anon posting a webpage of some space company, and i remember a lot of open positions, some lame like Cum master and others like avionics engineer, software architect, the thing is if you have more than 5 years of experience in a STEM field you could apply and even get a call. I remember writing how my dad checked every requirement for the avionics technician and more but he doesnt like the US so he didnt apply, that actually made me seethe for a while Tbh.
>>14848902https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPjDfN9E74o
>>14848810>>14848887I think I fucked up idk.
>>14848810von braun spinning in his grave should provide enough power
big window
>>14848911>Cum masterAye laddie?
>>14848902Kek I'm also getting spammed by the daily Starlinks. I wish they had an option to disable certain notifications.
I think I might have an idea of why dynetic's lander wasn't physically possible
>>14848821The problem is that people make decisions about their major years in advance. You have to raise pay and keep it high for five years consistently to convince smart college kids to go into your field instead of CS.
>>14848911>and i remember a lot of open positions, some lame like Cum masterI am highly skilled and experienced in this field, where do I apply?
NASA has functional rotating detonation engines, this is something no amount of China stronk posting can overcome.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqFZb3wgq8Y
>>14849029so does Japan, but are they even worth it?
>>14849029it will never work. china created an arteficial sun and discover new lunar crystal to solve the energy crisis. you have done nothing
>>14849031>Rotating detonation rocket engine technology has shown significant performance advantages over standard constant pressure combustors and hence are the subject of increased R&D efforts around the globe. Basic thermodynamic studies have shown that the benefit from the rotating detonation cycle can be as high as 10% to 15% - which is game-changing when applied to launch and in-space propulsion systems.
>>14849037>10-15% improvement>Rotating Detonation Brapvac with >400s IspIt's over, hydrogen is finished.
>>14849029This is just an aerospike by another name
>>14849027>>14849003Thats how /g/ like to call Scrum Masters, wich is basically a meeting master Imo.
>>14849040what about rotating nuclear detonation engine?
>>14849037It's impressive, but I gotta wonder if this is just another incarnation of the same efficiency demon that made everyone think hydrogen was a great first stage fuel back in the 80s and 90s. Rotating detonation makes for a nice engine, but at this point everyone and their dog can kludge together a simple gas generator design and then get to orbit with a rocket that was far quicker and cheaper to design and build. >>14849040Nah, Aerojet will just design an RL10 derivative that use it and it'll be only upper stage engine America is allowed to use for the next five thousand years. Although that'd be something like 540s Isp so it wouldn't be completely terrible.
>>14848438>here
>>14849020A certain comic comes to mindI had this in my office for years
>>14848587>waah all our talent is old and dusty>oh you're a young man with a degree but no real experience? go flip burgers faggot, I'm not running a school here.
>>14849064Might just be Rocket Lab's problemNASA, LockMart, Boeing, the usual suspects seem to have no problem getting people into their school to career pipelines. This is especially true for NASA, which encourages fresh grad students on long duration space missions because, well, they'll still be alive when the mission reaches its destination (hell I think the youngest person working on Voyager is in her 50s or 60s)But then again they do get to take their pick from the cream of the crop of the nation's aerospace programs. The startups probably have slim pickings after the big dogs lure people away with generous offers. I wonder if ex-Astra-anon is around, he'd probably have a story or two
>>14849041It is nothing like an aerospike anon.
>>14848556from what I've heard mate, old mate thinks hes Elon Musk and works people like slaves, so you probably didn't miss out on much if that environment doesn't excite you
>>14848587>Be me>Fresh out of college doing an engineering degree>Not enough experience for proper aerospace jobs>Lots of openings for technicians building the actual shitWhat should I do? It would feel weird being the smartest guy working on the factory floor with a degree that I could be using. I would be getting blisters and inhaling welding fumes as opposed to running calculations on wing stress deflections, with the smartly-dressed "guys from engineering" looking down upon us from the walkway. However I suppose it would be a good way to get into the industry and to get some practical experience.
>>14848658How fast can they make these? How many exist now and would be ready to try to go to moon and mars? Imagine an amount were in production to make over20 or 30 exist making more and more to send 10 back to back.to.back to the moon and mars with rovers.and.copters.and drills and drones and habitat test and robots and chemistry air machine water machine test
>>14849083nepotism, same as every fieldgetting good jobs requires you have someone to pull you inanyone not in the clique is banned from them and can only expect serfdom
>>14849020>I think I might have an idea of why dynetic's lander wasn't physically possibleNRHO and full reusability is the root cause. Not only does the lander have to do with a single stage what the Apollo Lunar Module did with two, it also needs 1500 m/s of extra delta-v. In comparison the National Team lander is THREE stages, a Cygnus derived tug to bring it to LLO, then the descent and ascent modules. I hate BO so much.
>>14849105They were probably dreaming about all the contracts they could write up to modify the modular lander for various missions instead of delivering one that can be used for all of them
>>14849105sustainability has become the most jewish word in history
>>14848523even though JWST has better fidelity than expected it still is nowhere close to being able image an earth analoguehttps://arxiv.org/pdf/2208.14990.pdf
Fuel depots orbiting the moon?
>>14849083I was kind of in the same boat after graduating MSME 2yrs ago. Got interviews with SpaceX, LM, NG, etc. but all of them told me I needed more experience (I didn't do any aero internships/co-ops or rocket club in school - in hindsight a big mistake). Almost landed one at Astra which I'm kind of grateful I didn't since they seem to be crashing and burning. I'm now working for an aerospace component supplier as a materials engineer. I get pretty good access to lots of different projects for all of the major companies so it does scratch my spaceflight itch to an extent and I've already made some good connections. Actually recently got offered a job at NG for their space systems division but as a manufacturing engineer which I don't want to touch for the same reasons you don't. Personally just going to stay where I'm at for a few more years while newspace settles down a little; I don't want to be at a dinosaur company or a startup that will go bankrupt in 6 months if they fuck up a single launch.
>>14849029CongratsNow put it on a rocket
>>14849154Congrats that's really cool
>>14849063>implying the diversity hires even know of that game
>>14849105
>>14848968I mean, it is only over the course of a few micro seconds. Is it really that difficult?
Is the second manned Mars mission going to be all about the first woman and first colored person. Once it's determined to be safe?
>>14849154>Went to college>Didn't network You literally defeated the entire point of going to college anon.
>>14849148A rocket fueled by cow farts?
>>14849175Yes I realize that, but tell that to an autistic mechanical engineering major
>>14849170It can be done in a lab on mains power, but the equipment is pretty heavy-duty.
>>14848760Launch, delivery payload, attempt to land. Its a test and a delivery at the same time
>>14849072What are the odds Rocklab actually pulls of Neutron, or is it all just hype.
>>14849200I'm sure you could shove a small nuclear reactor that's there purely as a pilot light/reserve power source that's only like a couple MW to even just a few KW of power.
>>14849214Theyre building it right now. Odds are good
>>14848810Ion2PlazmaExpansion dynamiks
>>14849105isnt national team dead in the water?
>>14848845Yes. even for the perfect combustion rate combustion moves in all directions .. though a highly reflective surface and viscous fluid is already borderline plasmabut the gradient capacitor is more efficient
>>14849285Not anymore. We sold the stock in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales_Alenia_Space so feel free to experiment and be creative/bold. Main issue is the habitat designs are shit... there is plenty of available pieces.
>>14849161A KSP recreation of an Apollo-style moon landing should be mandatory before getting in. Hell, it should be mandatory before posting here.
>>14849293It'd have to be in RO because I do some goofy stuff when I have access to cryogenics and parts that can survive 3G re-entry without breaking a sweat
>>14849285Last I heard the Senate Appropriations Committee demanded that NASA select a second lander for a mission after Artemis 3, the first manned landing of the program. There is increased emphasis on sustainability but I don't know if that precludes the original National Team design or if they'll have to change it.
Potential static fire today
>>14849285They're looking for legal ways to feed the pork
>>14849348Sustainability sounds like code for the project's cost estimation for continuous production Anyone trying to compete with HLS is going to by necessity have to compete with a design that will be partially subsidized by commercial LEO cargo and possibly even LEO space tug refuelingThat's going to be one hell of an uphill battle unless these geniuses figure out how to turn Starliner plus Cygnus into a lunar lander
good morning spacecelshow's that mars mission going?
/sfg/ is dead and the collagefag killed it
>>14849404Its going according to plan
>>14849404
Are you man enough to egress via a pram cover /sfg/?
>>14849540You're in hong kong aren't you
>>14849551I'm in chong pong actually
>>14849540Me and my baby in '69, oh, ohIt was the summer, summer, summer of '69(Yeah)
>>14849540MODS
>>14849540looks like a dick n balls lolololol
>>14848435They slowed down bacause the FAA has them by the balls. They got to quadruple check every of their procedures before they are allowed to do one of their few FAA granted test launches per year.
>>14849610two starships and a dream chaser
Falcon upper stages might be the first true mass produced rocket. They've built hundreds in 2 decades, and now use one a week or more.
>>14849661Astra BTFO
>>14849645Your copium reserves sir
>>14848373starship test flight when? its been more than a year already
>>14849699it’s been 2 years
>>14849699in 2 weeks
>>14849661Soyuz?
>>148496992023
>road closure cancelledHow much longer...
>>14849661Nigger the Soviets sent up like 2 soyuz a week for over a decade
>>14849737For what? What did those 2 soyuz a week accomplish?
>>14849781https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kosmos_satellites
>>1484978190% of our knowledge of long term habitation in space comes from Soviet research
>>14849781Like everything? All from sending crew and supplies to various space stations, sending up experiments to see how materials and animals/plants lasts in space during various circumstance, a shit ton of communication, reconnaissance and ICBM detection satellites, a bunch of cooperations with other countries to send up their experiments into space, a bunch of interplanetary probes etc.
>>14848902What app gives you those notifications?
Morning, /sfg/. Anything cool happening today?
>>14849810Next SpaceflightIt also has a neat thing where you can look up any launches that happened this day. Today though it's a massive bunch of Kosmos launches, and Soyuz-22
>>14849063is that the journey of the galileo space probe?
>>14849781Spy satellites. The Soviets didn't get digital downlinks working properly for decades after the US did so they were dropping film canisters out of orbit. One of the plans for MOL had been swapping out those canisters by hand, but by the 70s the US had figured out encrypted digital downlinks.
>>14849803How much of that cadence if any was because their satellite technology wasn't as durable as western?
>>14849822They also had to deal with being in a higher latitude, that probably didn't help.
>>14849823A lot, but a big part in it as well was because it became very cheap send up pretty much everything they needed using the same architecture there you could just put in whatever you needed in satellite shells of vostok heritage. This meant they could send up effectively many more times of useful mass to orbit for the same amount of resources put in comparison to the US. Not to mention that digital images from satellites were complete ass even for the US and the Soviets were decades behind in that technology so film it was which meant many satellites sent up were only as useful as the amount of film they carried with them.
>>14849819>Next SpaceflightBut it's more fun to ask my frens.
>>14849737Wrong. Russian launches were split into half a dozen or so different rockets during those times.There's Soyuz family, Voshkhod, Kosmos, Molniya, Tsiklon, etc. All of them were launching concurrently at same time period. Thats why the launch record looks to be in the 100 over the years. The number isn't purely Soyuz. Soyuz was the most launched of them all, but the number was in the ~40s-50s per year. Not 100s. So Falcon 9 is still the record holder here.
>>14849848Molniya and Voshkhod are a part of the Soyuz family you retard. There's less difference between it and Soyuz-U and there's between Falcon Block 1.1 and Falcon Block 5. The big majority of launches were from the Soyuz/R-7 family.
>>14849848They’re literally all søyuzes dumbass
>>14849848Soviet categorize their rockets more based on payloads they were launching than the differences between the rockets. Soyuz, Vostok, Voskhod and Molniya has basically the same architecture with slight differences in upper stages and performance of the boosters. But calling them different rockets would be a stretch to say the least. I wouldn't say you would get an entirely different rocket by making the Falcon 9 upper stage slightly longer for a comparison. They were all mass produced using the same structures and engines.
>>14849848this is your brain on spacex synodrome
>>14849737So a private company is halfway there to match a record of a former world power.
>>14849880>”I think it’s the best because X”>well actually no, because Y>”THIS IS AN UNFAIR COMPARISON THIS IS APPLES AND ORANGES ALL I SEE IS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE SOVIET LAUNCH DATA AND THAT BECOMES THE COMPARISON ITS NOT THAT EASY IN STATISTICTRY”
https://youtu.be/9vZVcI1gwEU
>>14849885I'm not that anon, lol, calm down.
Enough about this soyuz vs falcon faggotry. Which hypergolic fuel/oxidizer combo is the most based?
>>14849903chlorine pentafluoride and MMH, probably the best you can do before you start getting into meme fluoride mixtures that take your propellant from “really dangerous” to “retardedly unsafe”. You can enrich with beryllium or lithium dust or something too for an extra kick in performance
What's the easiest rocket fuel to make at home?People were doing this shit 50 years ago, surely making it can't be that hard.
>>14849939distill hydrogen peroxide or make solid rocket fuel or something
>>14849493New sexy Twitter profile photo.
>>14849885It amazes me that such a large percentage of /sci/ doesn't have even the most basic understanding of derivatives.
>>14849903HTP(catalyzed decomposition)+kerosene
>>14849493>>14849953
>>14849655more like a venturestar
>>14849964woah, he really is king
>>14849970No, he is the First Elon of Mars.
>>14849154Congratulations on not getting hired by Astra!
>>14849967that would actually be kino
>>14849261>>148492148t payload is too low. Will become irrelevant.
How normal people argue:>I think it's the best because X>Well actually no, because Y>Well I still think it's the best because even though X isn't completely true, Y is an extreme case and there are other factors besides X that Y doesn't address.How autists argue:>>14849885
>>148500668 tons is more than enough for nearly any LEO satellite currently in use. And more than enough to ferry supply spacecraft to stations, Progress and Cygnus are both ~8 tons
NASA's astronaut selection process is completely broken. NASA should hire people experienced in underwater welders.
>>14850071you have to dream a little bigger, darling. Businesses have to plan for the future, not for the past.
>>14850074kill my grammar, i meant experienced in underwater welding
>>14850074You have already made this post.
>>14850078This would be the first version of Neutron, it could expand capabilities in the future. Falcon 9 1.0 could lift 10 tons into orbit and couldn't be reused, so I'd say 8 tons to orbit witha reusable booster is already advanced than SpaceX's first F9
>>14850091exactly my point - they are building something which is nice for today's industry. But you need to design for the future. Any rocket <50t is not relevant. >>14850088And I stand by it. Astronaut selection has a serious Supply-Demand problem.
>>14850002Elon is a leader of the Israelites in the Book of Judges, a pretty understandable biblical figure to base the name off of your elected religious leader off of. He might also have been honoring Elon Galusha, first president of the Baptist Anti-Slavery Society. Musk's parents giving him a somewhat uncommon name is in character for them, all the musk siblings have unusual names (Kimbal, Tosca). I'm surprised no one has just asked his parents why they went with that name.
>>14849003>>14848911>>14849027>accept the position>first day on the jobhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0lN0w5HVT8
>>14850097 After him, Elon the Zebulunite led Israel ten years. 12 Then Elon died and was buried in Aijalon in the land of Zebulun.For some reason reading text which is 3000+ years old feels so cool
>>14849037>better efficiencycool, but what does the thrust to weight ratio look like?is it dogshit?
>>14850107>Aijalon in the land of ZebulunI tried looking it up and the location of this town/city is unknown today. I wish I could know how many settlements have been lost to time, there's probably shitloads just off the coasts underwater, worldwide.
>>14850097>I'm surprised no one has just asked his parents why they went with that name.They first became romantically involved after discovering a shared interest in naming children after characters featured in fiction written by former Nazi rocket scientists.
https://spaceref.com/space-commerce/thinkorbital-awarded-spacewerx-orbital-prime-contract/OOOOOOOOOOOOOOORB is back
>>14850127Their loveless coupling was performed for the sole task of bringing the first Martian Emperor into being. His job finished, Errol left in order to instil just the right amount of insecurity and motivation in his progeny.
>>14850096>Any rocket <50t is not relevant.So you support SLS?
>>14850139I approve, building things in situ is the future
static canceled again, when will the lord allow us to indulge in all 33 engines
>still no capstone updatehaving a concern here bros
>>14850147Anon do you not understand simple logic? >If A doesn't have X, then A is badDoesn't mean>Everything which has X is good
>>14850154It's dead, Jim.
>>14850002>universal suffrageMars bros I don't know about this
>>14850154you need to read between the lines, apparently Nelson is wearing a black suit today
>>14850127lol von braun's story was unpublished at that timeand let's be real here-the elon is an elected native Martian leader, not the name of a charismatic mogul or an earthly leadership figure in the story. the "prediction" is false aside from the incidental commonality of the names. i feel like if this really was the hand of destiny and not a superficial coincidence we'd get a little bit more of a commonality between the text and reality.on the other hand using this as an example of divine prophecy implies that von braun, a member of an Episcopal church, was apportioned divine guidance, implying that Protestantism is correct and that most of our dead relatives aren't being roasted in hell for denying the authority of the pope...
>>14848373>ctrlf the catalogue for telescope>ctrlf this threadI am disappointing that no one is discussing the recent discoveries by the Webb telescope. Apparently the big bang theory might be in danger of invalidation...
>>14850074>underwater weldersI don't think there's enough colored people or women that do that job to fill NASAs demand.
>>14850166not spaceflight related
>>14850166the abundance of big galaxies at high redshifts has been discussed here
>>14850170>abundance of big galaxies at high redshifts has been discussed hereAsking for a friend, but can you explain this
Anyone else gonna invest in spacex?
>>14850166https://www.space.com/james-webb-space-telescope-science-denial
>>14850166It's just another computer wallpaper machine. Nothing actionable.
>>14850176I don't know how stocks work or where you buy them sorry
>>14850183It's not normal stocks. It's just a indication of interest. https://www.spacedventures.com/raise-petitions/spacex
>>14850173wish I could into cosmology, they probably need to change some parameters of their models
>>14850183Someone from /biz/ can explain it better though. I just read about it todayhttps://www.benzinga.com/news/22/09/28876417/elon-musks-spacex-gets-over-8m-in-investment-pledge-from-public-in-double-quick-time-crowdfunding-pl
>>14850176efficient market hypothesis
>>14850173Mike McCulloch has been vindicated and a Nobel is inevitable
>>14850173The short version is that galaxies seem to have formed earlier and faster than we thought in the history of the universe.
>>14850179> denialism memewhy would you link trash like that?
>>14850192wut
>>14850200Cause it's a good article. Read it.
>>14850176they can’t even raise a rocket into the lower troposphere
>>14850200you're falling into the "anyone against the status quo is right" trap. There's nothing wrong with being cautious and skeptical about mainstream ideas, but that skepticism should cut both ways towards whatever seeks to challenge that mainstream. Lerner's criticisms of the big bang are not very good, but if you lack an education on the relevant topics the flaws in his evidence and reasoning are hard to parse.
>>14850139it was foretold
>>14850166Go post some cool shit then. Don't wait for other people to do shit, do shit yourself.
https://news.mit.edu/2022/astronomers-models-planetary-data-0915>“We found that there are enough parameters to tweak, even with a wrong model, to still get a good fit, meaning you wouldn’t know that your model is wrong and what it’s telling you is wrong,” de Wit explains.Well I guess it will take even longer for us to get Trappist's results now.
>>14850228No, I know Lerner is full of shit. But I also know the denialist meme - "anyone against the status quo is wrong" is lunkheaded and somewhat sinister. Just make arguments, no need for it
>>14850202there are go good or bad investments. All investment strategies are the same. Even buying and selling at a random time a random stock
>>14850139>“We’re exploring the possibility of delivering a platform with 4000m3 of internal volume in a single-launch configuration.LEO isn't looking so bad anymore. With electron beam welding, spinhabs are just around the corner. We're going to make it, fellas.
>>14849815two launches (if the weather cooperates):Electron with StriX in an houryet another Starlink launch this evening
>>14850228Redshift is obviously quantized. Lerner is incorrect about a steady-state universe, but modern physics is wrong about redshift.
>>14850294Speaking of spinhabs...https://spacenews.com/vast-space-intro/>Vast Space, a Southern California startup founded by cryptocurrency billionaire Jed McCaleb, plans to establish an artificial-gravity space station in low Earth orbit.>McCaleb envisions a future where millions of people are living throughout the solar system. Since other companies are helping to reduce launch costs, McCaleb thinks the next important step will be creating large structures where people can live and work in space.
>>14850301>yet another Starlink launch this eveninghope the booster manages to land in once piece this time
>>14850164>not believing in kek or sneedyou will sweep for eternity, for free
>>14850304Oh shit. I remember Vast getting announced some months back, but they hadn't released any information yet. Honestly, the partial gravity sections of their station is their most valuable offering for biomedical research. Apparently they're hiring. https://www.vast.space/technology
>>14848550Money is useless without sanity.
>>14850328>wearing a mask>jeans>not 300 pounds overweightFucking fed...
>>14848658pinhead
>>14848658FULLY METALLIC ACTIVELY COOLED TPS let's fucking goooooo
>>14850400fully metal TPS would be SO based. Imagine throwing tiles on one time on the factory line and never ever having to worry about them again
I remember years back when people here were calling the anons with tile concerns FUD posters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Recall_2070>By the year 2070, Earth and Mars (as well as space stations) are ruled by a unified government known as the Interplanetary Council (IPC). However, much of the real power is held by the Consortium, composed of at least six multi-global companies that financed the colonization of Mars.>The known six companies [include] Uber Braun, the rocket and robotics corporationrockets and robotics, hmmm
>>14850434I’ve been worried about the tiles since CRS-18
>>14850434They still are
>>14850438weyland-yutani from the alien franchise made a connection between space exploration, megacorps and robotics very strong in the 70s and 80s
>>14850176Already am. Worked for them for 2.5 years as an assembly/dev tech and managed to buy about $100k at the employee discount price before I burned out, pandemic happened, and I went back to school. Hasn't burned me so far... "line go up".
https://youtu.be/I9aYHnHaFAklive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9aYHnHaFAkLive!
>>14849953handsome thursday
>>14850176>>14850187I unironically might stick a grand in this if SpaceX goes public. I don't actually think it's a good idea, I think they're positioned just fine in the market and have sufficient funding. In many ways, the rabid growth model is fucking retarded and ultimately harmful. In a world where SpaceX is publically traded though, I think it would be worth investing in on principle. I thought about putting some money into some of the meme SPACs but they all seem to be fairly obviously dogshit companies cashing in on the hype, with no real plans to ever be profitable. I think fusion is a better place to invest right now, but I won't list specifics.
>>14850523they're not going public. mars isnt profitable
lmao SpaceX will never be publicly tradedElon has had enough run-ins with the SEC to last him a lifetime.
>>14850534It'd be as easy as spinning off a Mars company and buying launches from SpaceX. You could do this in like, an hour.
>Throwing batteries into the ocean from OrbitDangerously based.
lmao that recruiting pitch
>>14848510>shittle ignition inflightohfuck temperature sensor x2054 is off by .2° better abort ngmi
>>14850534It's not about profit, it's about reminding the rest of the world that they're inferior to America and Americans.And that, my friend, is worth every penny.
>>14850545I wonder what battery chemistry they use. Using rechargeable lithium ion seems like a dumb since they throw them off when dead
>>14850556lithium-polymer
>>14850556They do use lithium-polymer. The advantage is lithium batteries are very light weight.
They won't catch this booster?
>>14850556Throwing them away in important since any dead weight would reduce the rocket's payload capacity. There wasn't much thought given to reuse since no one was thinking about reusing any of the rocket until recently. >>14850568I think all of the rockets that they're producing from now on are the red stripe variety, but this wasn't one of them. They probably still have a stack of the old expendable model waiting for payloads.
What kind of retrograde almost polar bizzaro orbit is this? Also kino music.
>>14850545>>14850556>>14850571the majority of the batteries are in the first stage and they're fully reused.the second stage gets discarded anyway so might as well throw them off.
>>14850602also you can definitely make a way more mass and volume efficient battery that destroys itself in one discharge cycle.you would have to spin up a whole production line for that though so using the same mass produced rechargeable chemistry as the first stage is just financially sensible.
Capstone update, thank god>CAPSTONE received some relatively good news on the recovery progress for the spacecraft. The communications situation has dramatically improved, the power state of the spacecraft appears to be sufficient for continuous (duty cycled) heating of the propulsion system which dropped below its operational temperature, Over the past few days, CAPSTONE’s power – though limited by the orientation of the spacecraft in its spin relative to the Sun – appears to be sufficient for heating of the propulsion system. When the spacecraft propulsion system temps are at +5C for 12+ hours the system will be further evaluated for use in the recovery operation. Information on the cause of the anomaly has been obtained and is being evaluated, and recovery plans that mitigate risk of further anomalous behavior are being developed. We do not have a timeline for a recovery attempt, but the team is working hard to make progress guided by what we are learning from the data with an explicit goal to minimize further risk to the mission.
>>14850643inb4 they do the whole mission with it spinning by just pulsing the thruster and the instruments at the right time
>>14850649I've had to do this in KSP when I forget the RCS
>>14850643I hope shit like this doesn't happen in a spacecraft with astronauts inside.
>>14850665Remember how the Orion capsule had a critical power system component fail but they didn't fix it because it would involve tearing apart half the craft (multi billion dollar engineering project and you can't even access critical components lmao) so they just said "this is why we have redundancies" so now the whole power system is at the mercy of one component that has its twin fail already.LolLmao even
>>14850665the astronaut bodies convert the crafts rotational energy into thermal energy.it's that easy in spaceflight
>>14850674For the love of God
Russia says starlink is a legitamite target
>>14850434The tiles literally dont matter. It could lose all the tiles and still survive (at least a few reentries)
>>14850696Russia says a lot of dumb shit
>>14850696Dual use technology has some drawbacks
>>14850696I’m a retard forgot the picWhat would happen if Russia did knock down a starlink?
>>14850481>>14850482
>>14850696I say Russia is a legitimate target
>>14850696I almost want to see them do something against Starlink so Musk gets pissed and starts flooding DoD with piss cheap precision weapons.
>>14850696do it putnigger. launch those ASATs. it'll be faster for everyone involved.
>>14850704Starlink loses 0.01% of its bandwidth
>>14850696Lol do it
>>14850704You'd see people start inventing anti-ASAT techWe've already seen satellites perform avoidance maneuvers, but things could get active. Also if Russia starts shooting down sats people would start treating every orbital launch of theirs as hostile
What's your favorite shuttle orbiter? I'm obsessed with Atlantis.
>>14850721You already know
>>14850721I'm an Enterprise manThe original meme contest winner
>>14850721I've spit on this ship many times at KSC. Fuck Atlantis.
>>14850713Starlink is all on the same orbital plane, if you really wanted to fuck it up you could get some chain reactions going and Kessler that shit bad. Either way they shouldn't be providing starlink to Ukraine, shits provocative af and is the kind of thing that can escalate really quickly.
>>14849661the v2 is still the most-launched rocket of all time and that's not going to change any time soon
>What's your favorite shuttle orbiter? I'm obsessed with Atlantis.
>>14850716Kinetic asats are never going to be viable against megaconstellations for the exact same reasons that asats are great against conventional satellites: they're on the wrong side of the price differential. A $5 million dollar missile is great against a billion dollar spy satellite but trash against a communications satellite that only cost $250,000 and rolls four per day off an assembly line. If you really want to start taking out a megaconstellation you need something like a surface to orbit laser.
>>14850736>provocativeMy dude, when you're openly supplying arms and materiel to the other side of an armed conflict I'm not sure you can get more provocative than that unless you actually start shooting
>>14850736>free internet>provocative af
>>14850749>Providing military communications over civilian hardwareThey aren't using it to look at funny cat pictures faggot.
>>14850745the difference between the two is that SpaceX is a private company, not a countryEspecially when the point of Starlink was almost exclusively for peaceful purposes
>>14850759>free internet>b-but you can't use it for thatcope
>>14850764Not an argument
>>14850759Well they would be if Russia weren't invading them. Giving military aid to a country is not grounds for war, sperging out over communications assistance is just pathetic.
It's naive to think that starlink was never going to be used for military communications, but it's also naive to think that it wouldn't become a target for exactly that reason. In fact it's much easier to start busting starlinks up because you aren't shooting down US government hardware, just some civilians shit.
>>14850736>you could get some chain reactions going and Kessler that shit badHow stupid are you? Kessler that shit? First you need to actually live in reality where that can happen. In this one it can't. Believe it or not, there's a lot of space in space. you could blow up half the starlinks in orbit right now and SpaceX would never see a single collision. It's statistically impossible. Every sat collision to date has been orchestrated with purpose, contrary to what alphabet soup will tell you.
>>14850776But you don't understand. Russia will use their super secret ASAT missiles to perfectly reverse the debris' orbit.
>>14850776>Believe it or not, there's a lot of space in spaceNot at the orbits starlinks are operating on, compared to GEO and other high orbital birds they are practically right next to each other and pass over the same places very often and quickly.>Every sat collision to date has been orchestrated with purposeTake your meds
I would just put up a satellite that has the capability to toast solar panels, that's not a hard task for modern lasers. Just plop it in a high orbit and toast them as they come past below.
>>14850784>birdsglow harder
>>14850696>russia saysstopped reading there
>>14850736>>14850745>>14850759>>14850797cry more queer
>>14850736Vlad, its go time...
>>148507845 unintentional high speed collisions ever recorded1996 - active french military recon sat and Ariane "debris" (let's not cause an international incident!)2009 - irridium and "soviet debris"2013 - russian nanosat and "red chinese debris" (such a small cross section, what are the chances!)2013 - two cubesats from two separate south american countries collide with the same "soviet debris" (what are the chances!)2021 - first chinese sat quietly missing, no acknowledgement from china, collides with "soviet debris"I sense a pattern :)
>>14850792Thinking about it more you don't even need a laser or anything, so long as you are above their orbital plane you can just load something up with an IR targeting system and 50,000 rounds of .22, no dv change needed for your projectiles, you just shoot downwards and intercept.
>>14850811simply manifest a soviet debris cloud
>>14850759Off-the-shelf is a well-established procurement principle. And it's not like Russia has ceased its own imports of telecommunications equipment from foreign vendors.
>>14850774> you aren't shooting down US government hardware, just some civilians shit.Legally, there's no difference. Attacks on a country's property still call for an fitting response, especially if it's infrastructure of strategic importance.
>>14850811Still thinking about this, if you wanted to take a magazine size hit you could load up with 20mm or 40mm VT fuzed rounds to absolutely guarantee a kill for each shot, shrapnel cloud will waste the target even if you miss by a decent margin. Lol taking down a megaconatellation would be easy for even a small nation state if they had launch facilities and the balls to do it.
>>14850728Best girl
>>14850847The difference is that SpaceX is conciously making the decision to use their communication satellites to support a foreign nation's military.And also that legally Starlink is a military target, as defined by the Geneva convention Article 52(2) of Additional Protocol I (API).>2. Attacks shall be limited strictly to military objectives. In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.
>>14850859By that logic Russia should be bombing US Javelin factories.
>>14850859To add to that is paragraph 3>3. In case of doubt whether an object which is normally dedicated to civilian purposes, such as a place of worship, a house or other dwelling or a school, is being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it shall be presumed not to be so used.
>>14848905Its just stochastic optimal control bro
>>14850674lol I'd totally forgotten. Thank you for making me angry enough to shake off the evening slump.
>>14850920dont respond to the schizo
>>14850859That doesn't matter. Attacks on American (or any self-respecting country's) property will receive an appropriate response. There is no "you can hit me but I can't hit you back" in international law, or in realpolitik.
>>14850696I mean they are an active participant in the war, that doesn't mean Russia can do anything about it.
>>14850588launch it you fagsfuck the faa
>>14850940Nor is there a "I can hit you but you can't hit me" policy, Starlink is directly assisting in a conflict, it is hence an active target.The only way to avoid that is to limit SL to strictly civilian use
>>14850940>>14850963all truestarlink hit with communications and russia hit back with hacking
>>14850721Was Endeavor the most heavily modified and upgraded? I have always been partial to Challenger either way
>>14850967>with hackingkek. i'm sure they're having a lot of success
>>14850192I believed in EMH until I watched coronavirus emerge from china on 4chan and not a single fucking institution reacted for daysIt's absolutely possible for a normal person to be ahead of the news cycle and the market has yet to act on "public information". But I may never get another chance like that in my life.
>>14850967Didn't they run tests on ground based blinding lasers?They launched some test satellites for it few months after the war started
>>14850963>Starlink is directly assisting in a conflict,So are any number of companies based outside of the combatants. This is just generic Russian sabre-rattling; like all the other threats, nothing will come of it. >The only way to avoid that is tohave enough power that you can't be bullied. Even Turkey and Finland have managed that.
>>14850975iirc the lasers are specifically for blinding imaging sats
>>14850968It wasn't as much modifications or upgrades as it was Rockwell slowly learning how to optimize the orbiter's weight. Each shuttle was a slight improvement on the ones before it, but there was a noticeable jump from Columbia to Challenger and then to Discovery-Atlantis. Endeavour was able to add a few technical upgrades that Rockwell had wanted to include in later orbiters but not nearly as many as they had originally proposed to NASA.
inb4 fsb steals the entirety of the starlink constellation irreversibly
>>14850984To the best of the public's knowledge a satellite has never been hacked. Plenty of ground stations have though.There are regular competitions to hack one too
>>14849645If you can own 100 square acres of which planes rarely if ever cross what would be the reasoning as to why you could not launch a self landing rocket straight up and down a couple times a day on your property, and even a few parabolic.
>>14850987yeah i'm sure starlink is being hammered though. i can't imagine a target more enticing to giga autists.
>>14849803Imagine the next 100 years, 200; 300, of the size, complexity of man and robotic engineering of space, moon and mars structures
>>14850987According to the Space Force, the Russians and Chinese try "reversible" attacks on US satellites on a daily basis.https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/30/space-race-china-david-thompson/
>>14851008It's a pretty interesting challenge from a security point of viewIf it's not in GEO or SSO they have an absolute maximum of 20 minutes to succeed and security only has to stall for twenty minutes to win
>>14850963>>14850979Holy shit, PLEASE shoot down a Starlink satellite with an ASAT missile. Please, please, please, please do it. I can not even imagine how much funding would get poured into space overnight. It'd be absolutely unreal. The normalfags couldn't even complain about it because they'll never go against the narrative. Pure, uncontested cashflow straight into an orbital arms race. Look at what war did for terrestrial flight, for the motorbike, for the automobile. Look at what war did for radar, communications, for physics research, for the first space race. I have dreams about this kind of thing.
>>14851012unless of course you have an unlimited supply of identical devices coming over the horizon constantly.
>>14851013No one is going to use a 1200 kg missile to shoot down a 300 kg satellite.
>>14850149>static canceled again, when will the lord allow us to indulge in all 33 enginesI don't think the restraints could handle it, I don't get the science of how the force is enough to lift the tonnage of rocket mass quickly but not break restraint system, what is the restraint system
>weather 10%
>>14851020We use 500 lb bombs to kill 200 lb people.
>>14850176Are they going public or hosting their own crowd sourcing?
>>14851034neither. it's a pool unaffiliated with spacex that will be invested the next time they're raising.
Is anyone on /sfg/ good enough to work at spacex some day and what are some paths to achieve that?.
>>14850523Space tourism could be a +100 billion industry over the course of the next 20 years and possibly steadily more
https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1570197995278471168>Of the 51 Starlinks launched on Sep 5 with Group 4-20 and Sherpa LTC-2, six have so far failed to begin orbit raising.>It's unusually high - typically at most one from a launch fails.uh oh
>>14850987Bruce Damer claimed on a Joe Rogan podcast that he had done something like that.
Livehttps://youtu.be/JzWSYJBSAl4
live nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzWSYJBSAl4
The only notification I'll get loudly enough to wake me up is spacex, they need to stop launching every other day or I*ll have to mute them
>>14850721Discovery>After all, any shuttle with a tear in her eye has to be pretty special. She has feelings.>I thought of Discovery’s teardrop that way, too. Was she afraid of launching? After all, her very first attempt was rather scary — the first ever shutdown on the pad after main engine start. I could see how an infant shuttle might get a bit teary-eyed thinking about her first step. Or, later on, was it there for her lost sisters, Challenger, and then Columbia? She was always the one chosen to bravely lead the way after their loss. Or maybe it’s just a tear of joy for the thrill of going into orbit, like when she did the first ever backflip in space?
>tice episode
>>14850534>>14850539What are the companies most near seriously real deal big time space mining, that's the nead of heavy payload rockets of mining machinery, storages for ore, methods of breaking,.chipping off chunks of asteroid, SpaceX doesn't seem to promote the existence of their creation of space machinery and asteroid mining technology, but they likely could and should throw some millions into developing asteroid mining abilities, and space and moon and mars habitable abilities
>clear not live;_;
>>14851067Near? Absolutely no one, it's never been done, there isn't even a proof of concept. We're only really on the cusp of even researching asteroids.
>>14851068I won't watch the launch then
surely it is cheaper to wait for good weather vs wasting $$$ for fueling, un-fueling procedures when a scrub is likely. especially for a Starlink launch.
>the schizo posting rate is speeding up againmeltdown soon, we're approaching critical mass>>14851072>replying to him
>>14851064
>>14851075Practice is never wasted, and SpaceX wanted to get some engineering data
>>14851075In the long term destroying the weather is most advantageous.
FUCK, woke up for no reason
hold
scrub
>:(
elon mustard, you conman
Scrubtober started early
>>14851086Imagine waking up for Starlink launch #51093.
This also burns the video ID because they started streaming, so I'm going to have to get another one tomorrowOn the good side, the open tab didn't start and I caught it at T-1:30, so no big loss for me
now hypothetically, isn't is possible to manipulate the weather using rockets that drop stuff to cause precipitation? could we not head off approaching clouds and make them drop their rain and energy before getting to the roggets?
>>14851097Yes, imagine
>>14851100least deranged /sfg/ poster
>>14851106>hypothetically, isn't is possibleno
>>14851097Hah, imagine ENJOYING things. You should be enlightened and not enjoy things like me.
Tory Bruno shook my hand
>>14851119did you stare him in the eye and lick your palm afterwards?
>>14850571I get that I was just wondering if there is a different battery chemistry that wasn't rechargeable that provided the need power at similar costs and weight to lithium ion.
>>14851067Who runs Lucy and Osiris Rex? If it was anybody it'd be them. Psyche a distant third. Except... none of them have any use for on-orbit assembly, manufacturing or processing of ISRU materials.For a very, very long time it will always be cheaper to ship it up the gravity well than to make it in space. At least until people start visiting Mars.
eric Berger's Twitter posts are getting insufferable
>>14851141What's a little whataboutism between friends
>>14850940>There is no "you can hit me but I can't hit you back" in international law, or in realpolitik.You do realize you just justified Russia (trying to) shoot down these satellites.
>>14851038If they accept the fundraising money, what is a possible benefit for the investor
>>14851067Space x should have how many starships and heavy boosters flight ready in 7 months from now (or this time next year)?I would like 40 star.ships with some heavy boosters existing, and the ships filled with different payloads and different habitable interiors, cargo ships, fuel ships, oxygen tanks, water tanks, water tanks,.oxygen tanks,.fuel tanks, foods, machines, rovers,.orbiters, drones, robots, heavy machinery, mining equipment asteroid hoppers.
>>14850728large space planes look so cheap and unsettling without thermal blankets. Photos of early shuttle look like cheap plastic. GAH I wish buran survived longer so we could have seen what kind of crazy upgrades they could conjure up
>>14851067Also what are serious estimates about the market of space tourism over the next 70 years and what companies will certainly guarentee and claim and prove they will achieve the obvious success in that how many billions and novel special part of super modern human futuristic space age life
https://nitter.grimneko.de/SciGuySpace/status/1570590508547973121#m>Russia to UN: Using Starlink and commercial satellite imagery is an act of war and must be condemned!
>>14851139If they were to make some type of moon structure to house experiments, what size and type of material and how and where assembled would the structure be and what experiments to occur in it?
>>14851209They keep calling things acts of war and then not doing anything about it.So weird. Baffling.
>>14851183Robots robots in space robots robots on the moon robots robots on Mars
>>14851221Its just a list of grieviences, the more they have, the more they can "justify" action, the more they can negotiate aruond.
>>14851106I saw a documentary on this once:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOlYPSEzSc
>>14851195She deserved a much longer career than she was given
>>14851119>Tory Bruno shook my hand
>>14851106Planet engineering is something environmentalist hate. Mainly because it doesn't address their root concern, the destruction of environment.
Best description of Eric Bergerhttps://twitter.com/DrChrisCombs/status/1562289841219534848
>>14851119Did it bite you?If you ignore snake bites, its venom can cause you to lose your arm or worse, affect your heart and kill you.
>>14851306Who?? Why should I give a fuck about any of this middle school tier drama?
>>14851306>literal who on Twitter who calls himself Dr. Opinion disregarded, you have to back.
>>14851306>literal who on Twitter who calls himself Dr.Opinion disregarded, you have to go back.
>>14851306Those replies tell me who the "DrChrisCombs" is.>Black Lives Matter>Woke CEO>bunch of SLSGangsLMAO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ_D9o3Yems&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=NASAJetPropulsionLaboratory
>>14851331>>14851306Its fairly easy to predict who "hates" Bergers. Its those who are attacking Musk and anyone who writes positive stories and those who write negative stories about SLS
>>14851306seething!
When will robots start building a city
>>14851444when AI breaches the sentient threshold and realizes the purpose of life is to proooont megastructures and connect SCMaglev bullet trains all over the place and spam rockets to the outer solar system
>>14851195>>14851253Death to sp*ceplanes and good riddance, what a phenomenal waste of time and money.
>>14851306>Next weeklol lmao, evenHow excited were we /sfg/? I know I was personally excited to watch the heap of shit rud on the pad.
>>14851337>The JUICE and Europa Clipper arrays both consist of 2 wings of five panels each with a total area of 85 m2 and 95 m2, respectively. Both arrays deliver a power in the range of 700 Watts at end of life. Yep, I'm thinking based. By my estimation using solar on Europa Clipper saved NASA ~$750 million dollars over RTGs, minus the cost of the panels which I don't have a number for.
>>14850704If Russia starts uncorking ASATs against American targets it's go time. Any response other than "do it faggot I bet you won't" is unacceptable cowardice.
What do you get when you cross a tropical storm with a $4 billion rocket?
plasma magnet sail man will never get his funding, I wish I was rich so I could shower him with engineers and launches
>>14851474What would some of it's first few missions be for? Start a go fund me
Oh nohttps://twitter.com/housesciencegop/status/1570538346350530561
>>14851482A gofundme for an experimental drive to the tune of 10-50m, not happening senpai. If the test article works and you don't get whacked by JPL and co I would be pitching it to gravitational lensing and outer planet missions along with seeing if it's possible to get Elon to change his mission architecture since it enables a Mars cycler.
>>14851484Its become a full political fight. Democrats want to prosecute Elon Musk. Republicans wants to target Bezos
>>14851501meds
>>14851484They should investigate bill gates as well
>>14851484I knew that democrats hate Musk. That behaviour is disgusting.
>>14851221That's just it, they cannot do anything about Starlink. One F9 can launch more new sats that Russia has the ability to shoot down.
Starlinks could use their ion thruster to ram russian satellites. There are 3000 of them. So elon could wipe out all russian space assets and still have a functional constellation.
>>14851533you're stupid with no basic knowledge of orbits and have to go back
>>14851535>you're stupid with no basic knowledge of orbits and have to go back/sfg/ in a nutshell
The only sentient spacecraft allowed on /sfg/ https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football/chapter-1
>>14851592>JUICE is an assholeOJ...
So what happened to Psyche? They said it's just a software issue.
Almost there
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1570730950014771203>Space SPACs aren’t dead: Intuitive Machines announced it will merge with a SPAC, Inflection Point Acquisition Corp. with $330M of cash. Value of the merged company would be $815M.are you fucking kidding me
>>14851732
what the actual FUCK has relativity been doing the last 5 years, just launch the damn rocket already
>>14851803collecting investorbux
>>14851803hamburgers?
>>14851033or $3 million cruise missiles to blow up tents
>>14851045my plan is they're gonna need to hire a bunch of people and i'm magically gonna get less lazy than i currently am
Looks like there will be a static fire today
>>14851919this has been said in every thread for the last month
>>14851919if the launch isn't until 2023 who cares?
it begins>Intuitive Machines will work to develop a radioisotope heater for its landers to allow them to survive the "lunar night."https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/09/in-a-bid-to-expand-its-moon-business-intuitive-machines-will-go-public/
>>14851990>just to comment on their RTG plans, Pu-238 is in very short supply, only produced by Oak Ridge & Idaho national labs, and only ULA is certified to launch radioactive payloadsOH N->he company also wants to build a constellation of five satellites in lunar orbit to provide precise position information about assets on the surface of the Moon and 24-hour communication between spacecraft there and mission operators on Earth. Intuitive Machines plans to use the network to provide these services for its own landers, as well as offering them to other companies and governmentsthis could be the real money maker
>>14851468You get what you fucking deserve
Good morning, /sfg/.
>>14852074Good morning, sirs!
Static fire soon!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fglxsgSY00&ab_channel=NASASpaceflight
>>14852074Good morning anon
>>14852088any idea of how many engines will be tested?
>spin prime testim out
test
>>14851253The only thing I wished is that would have waited just a bit and retrieved the hubble to put in a museum somewhere as the last shuttle mission
>>14851990>sponsor logo on landerlmfao
>>14852117nah hubble is still working and as much as I like the orbiter, I’d rather not have STS still online in 2022. The operating costs would still be enormous
>>14852176yes it is still working, but only just. I would have rather it be brought back early and preserved instead of decaying and burning up in the atmosphere which are the current plans for it. Maybe if starship is done by 2030 it could do a rescue mission, but that doesn't seem likely
>>14852006That commenter doesn't know the difference between RTGs and RHUs, the latter are generally only about one watt, so depending on how many they want to use they probably won't need that much nuclear material and it doesn't have to be Pu-238 either. Americium-241 is a likely candidate as its half-life is hundreds of years and it doesn't produce much gamma radiation, it's commonly used in smoke detectors.
>>14852176Didn't Hubble go down for a while recently? I thought there were some fears of it starting to fail in its old age. I'd love a dedicated Starship mission to bring it home, put it in a museum near the cape it launched from.
>>14852164>Not wanting a more affordable moon vacation thanks to the Raid: Shadow Legends Lander
>>14852201>"This landing is brought to you by Audible, get 10% off with promo code 'JEFFSUCKS' "
Protip: Don't bother stealing smoke detectors like the Nuclear Boy Scout, you'd need 4 million of them for a single gram of Am-241
>>14852214He got enough for his breeder reactor from like 400 though, and scraped radium off the hands of a bunch of old glow in the dark clocks.
>>14852199Yes, and if we just let it de-orbit on it's own, there is risk large pieces will land in populated areas
>>14852214Sounds like a challenge.
>>14852214
>>14852214There is also the fact most smoke detectors are LED based now, instead using a radioactive material for smoke detection. You can still get the other kind or "duel" type, because they behave differently to different types of smoke, but most people go with the cheap LED ones.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuAeaIcAXtg
>>14852222It wasn't a real reactor, all he did was spike the background radiation near his house by 1000x and piss off the feds. Later he turned into a based schizo who thought people were shocking his genitals with their minds.
>>14852212anon, you know who owns audible, right?
I talked to my dad for about an hour about spaceHe seemed proud of meI wish we talked more
>>14852223We should send out a mission to dissemble and recycle it for component materials
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wluBlr1j4qk
>>14852246I remember both my mom and dad said I should study something space related.That was after some 10 minute drunken rant about some movie set in space and how the orbits don't work or something
>>14848373Goddamn, SpaceX just became NASA.If it was old Spacex They would have just sent it.
>>14852199Hubble is going to houston because JSC got jewed out of having an actual Shuttle
>>14852253>some movie set in space and how the orbits don't workGravity?
>>14852253Yep, you should listen to your parents.
>>14852251>SpaceX wants to produce 1 Starship per month>With the goal of producing 1 Starship every 3 days
>>14852260Most likely, could also be any dozen movies set in space.
>>14852199I think it's quite possible that we will have the tech to bring it down, or at least the tech to boost it for a few more years if the tech is not quite ready.>>14852258also there is a chance that it could be on a Starship that lands in Boca Chica, which is already most of the way to Houston>>14852265but Gravity makes bad orbital mechanics into a plot point
>>14852263With the amount of engines being pumped out even now, I don’t think it’s impossible to approach that goal (keyword approach. Idk if it can be met)
>>14852269Once they scale up, it will be done. It takes time tho. Everyone laughed when Musk said he'll make a million electric vehicles. Back then, he was making couple hundred to a thousand cars a year. Now they're selling a million a year.
I just don't get it. Why are they testing spin prime when the engines obvioulsy took full fire testing at mc gregor before?Yes, we know they can pump fuel through them?
>>14852282My only guess is that it has something to do with running multiple engines together at once and/or how the rocket’s main computer deals with it or something like that. Maybe they found some anomalies during static fires a long time ago and they need to make sure the rocket computer can handle engine start up so they are tweaking things and checking how it reacts, see some things are still wrong, tweak some more, so another spin prime test. That sorta thing. Still though it feels like they’re just fucking around until they get clearance to actually launch
https://youtu.be/4fglxsgSY00Get the FUCK in here AND PAY ME MONEY
>>14852282If I had to guess they're extremely paranoid about the pumps. I wonder if they did something new with those and they need a lot more data because of it
>>14852268>but Gravity makes bad orbital mechanics into a plot pointTrue, but I forgive them. It'd be difficult to make a movie like that without making some inaccuracies, that or filling LEO with so many fictional stations that it gets a bit silly
>>14852326The problem with Gravity is that it tried to be hard sci-fi, but they had to make up so much shit to have an "exciting" story that it became dumb.
>>14852348It's weird, Gravity tries to do better space-catastrophe than Armageddon and be more accurate, yet Armageddon is the more enjoyable movie to me. At least it knows it's cheesy and doesn't care, Gravity wants you to take it super serious.
https://www.sifive.com/press/nasa-selects-sifive-and-makes-risc-v-the-go-to-ecosystemWhat does suhfug think about next generation spaceflight computers? 100x gains at the edge is a big deal when you're talking about something on Mars, even more when you're talking about outer planets. Data is a huge deal, power consumption is a huge deal. I'm actually hopeful this turns into something really meaningful for NASA. The current processors are underwhelming pretty much everywhere.
>>14852388meme. there is no riscv chips that compete with snapdragon currently so just use those.
>spin prime>not even a static fire>same number of engines as last timei thought elon was in a hurry to get to mars? the clock is ticking.
>>14852392They're doing an in-house design, it's cheaper to avoid licensing ARM IP, and its far better in terms perf/watt. I know everyone got excited because the helicopter runs on a decade old Qualcomm chip, but simply sticking COTS phone processors in everything isn't smart when you have a more restrictive mission profile than "function for a week or so"
>>14852414>They're doing an in-house designit's going to be worse plus this is the disgusting minmaxing that makes JPL suck>it's cheaper to avoid licensing ARM IPyou buy the chip and solder it on. no IP licensing involved>and its far better in terms perf/wattHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH no.>COTS phone processors ... function for a week or sowhat are you even on about
>reading the arstechnica comments about the moon lander company>everyone is talking about mining and he-3 fusion memeim surprised that a site filled with tech industry people cant see the obvious telecomm opportunities like edge computing, servers, communications, etc. the company is building infrastructure yet the plebs cant see it.
>>14852437>We can totally do decade long outer planets missions without radiation hardeningThe RAD750 sucks, this will be much better in every way. ARM has no comparable path to build a high performance space ready processor.
>>14852444>>everyone is talking about mining and he-3 fusion meme>you put the edge computing and the netflix.com on the moon>this is great opportunity for the business company sir
>>14852467i guess even sfg has low iq plebs
>>14852444>he-3 fusion memei don't see how h-3 is a meme seeing as it's a potential fuel source. Just because we haven't gotten fusion to work yet doesn't mean that it won't work eventuallyMind you that Uranium was completely useless before nuclear reactors were made
>>14852444You idiot, the Google proposal to put a datacenter on the Moon was an april fools joke, not an actual plan
>>14852388Instruments just keep getting more capable. This is all about data processing, particularly data reduction and compression. I'd be shocked if they haven't at least flight qualified an ASIC or FPGA specifically to do the things they needThey've already done more than a few trials of just putting COTS hardware in space (server racks on the ISS, regular chips in cubesats, etc) but rad-hardened stuff destined for outside LEO is needed
>>14852463i was going to make fun of you but i guess you can get something out of custom logic cells that are resistant to latchups by design and so on without giving up a good modern node.if they go the traditional route of rad hard though meaning gallium nitride silicon carbide cuckery you're not going to get a high performance processor nor power efficiency anyway because no small process nodes exist.also having large features is in itself a big benefit if you want a rad hard cpu.i really wouldn't be surprised if triply redundant COTS phone processors in an absorbent casing become the norm even for extreme radiation environments.
>>14852504You've done the math that shows processing million of tons of regolith for he-3 not only would produce net energy but do so economically compared to terrestrial energy sources?>>14852444It's full of boomers, they were foaming at the mouth in favor of more COVID restrictions and unpersoning those who wouldn't take the vax. Luckily Berger is there to spoon feed them on space.
>Starship engineers have NSF on the TVOh no...
>>14852535>He says as ingenuity survives without issue outside LEO cold cycling it's computer and 5$ sony battery to -80 celsius every nightThe aerojew controls your mind
Do we have any plans how to deal with planets with stronger gravity? Most mass is in the largest bodies. How do we harvest resources from Jupiter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpJj3Qd3qM8>booster being filled with cryogenic liquid againWhat's going on?
>>14852561What resources? It's a gas giant with no surface.
>>14852561>bikesheddingthere is more mass in the asteroid belt than you could ever use
>>14852561Atmospheric miners suspended from orbital rings. We should probably start draining those radiation belts.
>>14852563dangerous overextension of the road closure is what is going on.elon m*sk should be imprisoned and space-hex nationalized for desecrating carrizo comecrudo owned land.
>>14852543Inception
>>14852564Huge supply of helium and hydrogen could be useful if there was an efficient way to harvest it.>>14852565>there is more mass in the asteroid belt than you could ever useYou don't think big enough. Eventually the entire Galaxy won't be enough.>>14852569Are orbital rings feasible? They have to rotate or they'll collapse. That's some high velocities relative to the atmosphere.
>>14852585The exterior shell of an orbital ring doesn't move relative to the surface of the body. The interior core is rotating faster than orbital velocity and exterior shell electromagnetically taps energy from the rotating core to stay aloft. You add more power into the system to keep the core moving. For the outer solar system, you'd either need local fusion power or power beamed in from elsewhere.
>>14852539Obviously it wouldn't be mined out immediately, but the point at which it becomes cheap enough to transport H-3 canisters to earth (maybe via mass drive), then it will be done.I'm not saying that H-3 should be the sole point of lunar habitats and exploration, but it definitely not be ignored.
>>14852609H3 is tritium. Also, we can breed He3 from deuterium. We're not going to be sifting it from the regolith. https://www.helionenergy.com/faq/
>>14852543>when you have to watch a speculative third-party fan channel to find out what the company you work for is doing
>>14848373!CARS RETURNING TO THE SITE!gonna drop a 50$ superchat in NSF Starbase Live 24/7 now (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg))everybody come join me in donating to a good cause
>>14852633Why pay for someone to run drones for you when NSF does it for freeStream it jannies
>Want to go to space>Currently training to become a firefighterIs it over for me?
>>14852655It was over the moment you didn't get straight As in HS.
>>14852655The astronaut pipeline typically starts with a PhD or a bunch of flight hours in the militaryYou're more likely to make it as a naturalized citizen in Europe and even then they'd probably laugh you out of the room in favor of a native
>>14852658>>14852659Damn. Sometimes when it’s nighttime I pretend the fire station is a small base on the moon and the room with our vehicles is like a giant loading bay intro the base. I like suiting up because it makes me feel like an astronaut. Yes, I am autistic
>>14852655Just stay alive and you'll make it. Eventually "astronaut" will be as significant as "airplane passenger" and ordinary Joes will be living on Mars.
>>14852666my dad was a firefighter
>>14852673Not during his lifetime
possible static fire today
>>14852702Nope
>>14852666we all do the same thing whether other anons want to admit it or not
>>14852706yeah, overpresure notice
>>14852702>>14852711stop posting
>>14852711That was for spin prime, road is open.
>>14852714? huh
>>14852706>>14852711>>14852714>>14852724Meds
>>14852738Fuck off schizo
>>14852738you keep samefagging and it shows
Why do they keep doing spin primes lately? Never even heard of it before the past couple of months.
>>14852738>>14852740>>14852742All me
>>14852746This is why we test
>>14852746Spin primes are the equivalent of preburner tests but for Raptor 2. They’re testing the engines without risking a full ignition in the combustion chamber. Also note that they’re testing the OLM, too
>>14852746Validating 33 engine dynamics models and startup sequence while attached to booster propellant manifold.
>>14852763basically they have a suite of software models predicting every single sensor reading internal and external to the vehicle.you fire it up and see a bunch of readings that dont agree with your models, you chase those down and fix the model.then you test again to confirm it worked.then you can use the model to create a better startup control system that optimizes all the metrics you care about.test that new sequence and repeat until you're happy.
>>14852748Liar
https://spaceref.com/space-commerce/nasa-pursues-astronaut-lunar-landers-for-future-artemis-moon-missions/HLS 2 is out for biddingPlace your bets
>>14852821they already said it'll be starship.
>>14852821>>14852823Yeah, it's gonna be the same as HLS. I'd give this 80% chance of being true.
>Intuitive Machines goes publicWhen that one anon said Draper was the CLPS company most likely to still exist by 2025 I didn't think he'd be proven right so quickly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwvNuZLASdEDnapr is underrated
>>14852828Yeah it's not a good sign for not just IM, but CLPS as a whole that the company with the most contracts had to turn to a SPAC. I can't think of anything attractive to a retail investor about a company with unproven tech in an unproven market that would take many years to spin up. Only "to the moon" meme investors will care. Astrobotic was comfortable enough financially to buy Masten (who disappeared in a snap due to a single failed deal), but otherwise there's nothing convincing about their future. Anything (but competing with SpaceX) could happen to Firefly at this point. Draper meanwhile is an established company.
>>14852821National Team breaks up and a new BO-SNC team beats NG by significantly undercutting them. Boing bids and is BTFO again. Not sure about LM. Relativity bids for the memes.
>>14852821The second round of bids are likely going to try to undercut HLS by virtue of being Moon-to-Gateway reusable single-stage landersI don't envy the people who have to engineer around that set of constraints though
>>14852821Super National Team (Everyone but SpaceX)But the price is now $20 billion
>>14852869Why not National Socialist Team?
>>14852821i choose the American Team
>>14851174there is nonethere's also no guarantee that they wont just take the money and flee back to India
>>14852864They could get SpaceX to take it there.
>>14852821https://sam.gov/api/prod/opps/v3/opportunities/resources/files/1c0f2f45dbb5482485ef791c0e9a037a>Proposals shall meet all specified thresholds. Offerors are advised that proposals that exceed one or more thresholds, and/or meet one or more goals, may be evaluated more favorably if the Offeror’s proposal otherwise demonstrates a feasible approach that does not compromise other elements of the Offeror’s approach to meeting NASA’s objectives and performance requirements.Kek, because of HLS Starship which so vastly exceeded proposal standards, this now exists in the contract proposal document.Also, under Excess Capabilities:>Offerors are notified that the Government may evaluate the Offeror’s proposal either more positively or negatively in light of its assessment of the above-specified effects of such proposed excess capabilities. The Offeror shall provide strategies for addressing how any such proposed augmented capabilities will not impact the feasibility of or otherwise introduce unnecessary risk to its design, development, mission integration, or operations for meeting NASA’s stated objectives and performance requirements.
>>14852879Even with reusable rockets 10 superheavy launches for 1 mission sounds absolutely nuts. I don't know why SpaceX decided to high-ball the mass requirements by such an absurd margin.
>>14852897I'd like to see someone design a lander proposal that makes use of Starship but not its refueling capabilities. Starship reuse might still be unproven but frequent launches with large chunks of cargo is a pretty safe bet at this point, and Starship has nearly enough lift to get two Altair equivalent landers into orbit. You just need to design a super-sized one that can get to the moon on its own or plan for a second Starship launch to deliver a tug.
>>14852920>With this solicitation, NASA is seeking to acquire a crewed lunar landing demonstration of a lander that enables long-term affordability. NASA has assessed that cost for recurring production and operations drive long-term affordability. In a future Services solicitation, NASA will likely request Offerors to assess NextSTEP-2 Appendix P: Human Landing System Sustaining Lunar Development 35 their HLS designs for relevant DRMs against a set of long-term affordability metrics. These metrics may or may not include items such as:>Dollars/kg for downmass to the lunar surface from NRHO>Dollars per utile crew EVA hour on the lunar surface>Dollars per crew member to the lunar surface>Cadence-related (e.g., lead times, time between repeat missions, constraints)>The Offeror shall include an assessment of how their business approach supports long-term affordability, with supporting rationale.Contractual fuckery is not allowed. NASA won't tolerate BlOrgin NatTeam faggotry again like last time.>All payment milestones should be associated with technical milestones that include deliverables. Payment milestones may be proposed more frequently than monthly, but Offerors should note that the Government will not make payments more frequently than monthly.>Milestone acceptance criteria should be specific, measurable, appropriate, realistic, and timely. Greater than 60% of the sum of the prices for proposed Interim milestones across all Integrated Lander CLINs (001, 003-005) should directly reflect completion or testing of hardware and/or software. The Government reserves the right to negotiate any aspect of an Offeror’s milestone payment amounts, schedule, and/or acceptance criteria prior to contract award.>The Offeror shall not propose additional delivery milestones beyond those already established by the Government.They want to avoid Boeing's SLS faggotry and cost plus bullying. My sides are in orbit. BlOrgin and Boeing will seethe.
>>14852923Better to overestimate than underestimate, especially with how much design work Starship still needed at the time of the bid, and I imagine they didn't expect BO to go there.
>>14852858Spacex joins the national team. We work better with team work, respect, cooperation
>>14852933>>14852920>The Offeror shall provide these statements for the Offeror, and the Offeror’s parent corporation (ifapplicable):>Annual Reports including audit opinions,>Balance Sheets, Income Statements,>Statements of Retained Earnings, and>Statements of Cash Flows.>Offerors shall clearly label all financial statements as audited or un-audited and the date, if applicable, of any certification of the financial statements by the responsible company official; and clearly disclose and explain all off-balance sheet arrangements and related party transactions. If the Offeror is a newly established company without financial statements, it shall provide historical tax returns and projected income statements, balance sheets and cash flows.>For Offerors with parent or holding companies, the Offeror shall include the parent company’s or holding company’s guarantee of all necessary and required resources including financing to assure the Offeror’s full, complete, and satisfactory performance of the contract.NASA wants to ensure the Masten fuckery will never happen again.>If the Offeror proposes as a joint venture or consortium, the Offeror shall provide a Financial Capability Disclosure for all principal member companies or organizations.NatTeam needs to put skin in the game or they can fuck off. Kek>Advance Payments. The Government will not make advance payments; proposals containing an advance payment are ineligible for contract award.BlOrgin/NatTeam demanding payment for proposal work not allowed>The Government intends to award one contract, but reserves the right to award one, multiple, or none of the proposals received in response to this Appendix. The overall number of awards will be dependent upon funding availability and evaluation results.So that congress can't be a faggot again>The total contract period of performance, including Options is anticipated to be up to five years.Award date is 2023, so 2023 to 2028. Neat!
>>14852933Sounds good overall, but why threaten to use those $/objective metrics in the future and not now?
>>14852944NexStep-2 is contingent on HLS Starship's success and the 2023 Artemis flight's successes as well. HLS Starship will dictate the approximate baseline of:- $/kg- $/crew EVA lunar surface- $/crew to Lunar surface but in landerBy which, NASA can then draw a standards document for the future scope of contractual line item payments and evaluation categories. Right now, they have no idea and whatever cost in the 50s and 60s, adjusted for inflation, would be bogus and likely unfair. Further, the amount of mass that is sent to the Moon via HLS will also dictate the type of future downmass proposals that are expected, as, part of HLS 1, SpaceX is required to put 2 HLS Starships on the Moon. This means that we're looking at anywhere from 100 to 200 tons of drymass and cargo on the Moon already. Contingent to that, whatever comes next will be transfer down to the moon, organize, unpack, reconnect/build, and use to engineer/develop future lunar activities and habitability goals. That mass will dictate the scope of work, EVA time, payload requirements, food/water/oxygen, types of science missions, etc. There's a lot to do and a lot of unknowns. So until HLS 1 succeeds, its best to keep it vague beyond the high level criteria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBtYbn55dWA
>>14852929I've always wondered if a Constellation-style dual launch would have been possible if you put the Orion on a Falcon Heavy and the Altair on SLS. Would the EUS have enough Delta-V to boost the whole thing out of LEO? Or was the concept of a giant lander that performed the LOI burn a waste to being with?
>>14852755>>14852763Will the booster and others made, have to undergo such testing before each flight?
>>14852858LM will bid something based but still lose because they exist just to be justed
>>14852956Starship should figure out how to add RL-10 engines
>>14852791Very informative post, thank you good sir, rocketry is so cool because it's like a very advanced mixture of mechanics and computation governing fine lines between explosions.If I was a kid today would rocketry be a field I could have and should have dedicated myself too?Or architecture Or computer science chip manufacturing design software hardware engineer Or AI and Robotics Or interior design and fashion and furniture design and antiques and fine art and a connesieur, pimp, and impresario
>>14852958It'd honestly make more sense than the architecture we're currently going with. Any cargo version of SLS with the exploration upper stage would have enough lift to TLI to launch something like Altair. Boeing's HLS proposal was going to launch on an SLS 1B, which is pretty much that exact idea. It was also one of the big reasons why it was rejected. A giant sized lander that can do it's own LOI is technically possible, but getting it all up to orbit in one shot is a big challenge. If you used the highest performance hydrogen engines we're got you'd need a mass ratio of about 1:4. That's is a bit cramped even for Starship when you start to think about all of the things a lander has to include.
>>14852974>If I was a kid today would rocketry be a field I could have and should have dedicated myself too?I work in the industry currently. Applied many times to get the job. When I was much younger, I wanted to be a traditional animator or a gunsmith. If I could go back to being a kid a thousand times, I would've chosen to advance humanity through my work in spaceflight a thousand times over.
>>14852821ALPACA was a good idea but the engineers made her too heavy
Wasn't the weather 40% last time too?
>>1485302810%
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NO GO
>>14853039Believe.
>>14853041lol it's no go
ScrubX
CURSED LAUNCH CURSED LAUNCH
>>14853044At least they can try again in 24 hours.
>Scrubs more than Artemis
30% chance of favorable weather tomorrow.
>>14853033https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NhIcnXiy19I
>>14853049I thought soyuz would often launch during winter storms... why cant' space x handle a few clouds?
>>14853087They can't sweep a lost crew under the rug like USSR.
>>14853088No, the real reason is because the Soyuz have ICBM heritage and the Falcon 9 doesn't. And seeing as cosmonauts lost in action had massive state funerals it's hardly "sweep a lost crew under the rug".
CRIPPEN
it seems starship's never going to do another hop
>miss the launch because I had to go out this evening>it's another scrub>>14853058and the scrubs don't stop
Roscosmos banned from IAC 2022 hahahahttps://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1570827370130710528
>>14853142That's a pretty lousy thing to do to scientists who have nothing to do with the war
>>14853058What would allow rocket to advance to the point of flying in more unfavorable weather
>>14853125
>>14852666extremely late replybut if you apply yourself it might be possiblestarships will require a safety officer plus many other positions lunar/mars bases will require all sorts of specialized personnel lunar tourism will be pretty soon too, once people realize how piss easy it is too build on the moon
>>14853148Mostly you'd need to change policy with the FAA and Space Launch Delta 45. Falcon 9 could probably fly in much wilder conditions than it already does but the regulatory state has certain ideas about how rockets could and should behave, and the world is required to conform to those opinions.
>>14852609>the point at which it becomes cheap enough to transport H-3 canisters to earth (maybe via mass drive), then it will be done.Transportation cost isn't the issue, it's the cost and intensity of extraction as the Helium-3 in the lunar regolith is incredibly dilute. I hate that fusion has turned into a modern day cargo cult, there's no plan for the economical production of energy, just 'dude lmao build high Q fusion reactors and mine the ocean or the Moon for fuel, unlimited energy, bro'. https://web.archive.org/web/20190120035522/http://fti.neep.wisc.edu/pdf/wcsar9311-2.pdf
>>14848480>almost no white people in the illustrationVGH...The power of Amerika...
>>14852543where'd you get this pic from
>>14853186Going to KSC is like walking through the ruins of Rome after it's fall. All this amazing history and hardware being trafficked by mystery meat goblins, niggers and assorted undesirables. made me super blackpilled ngl.
goodnight, sfg
>>14853211You must be new as shit if you think /sfg/ is positive regarding artemis.
>>14853213sir please do not redeem GSLK MK III launch code bloody basterd
Did a janny really remove that?
>>14848417In reality.
>>14853149Can wait for the Martian slave trade to kick off
>>14853246lol nice
>>14853246So what are any of those people supposed to be doing? They're all just get to sit around in a weird amphitheater and stare at a dick rocket?
if you have a rocket whose engines can accelerate it with 2Gs launching off a planet with 1G surface gravity, the ship will accelerate at 1G. But how many will the crew inside experience? 3?
>>14853292it's multiplactive so the crew actually experiences 6G's of force.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4w4PQKSIJ8
>>14852625Good point. If Helion doesn't pan out, any deuterium-tritium fusion reactor with a tritium breeding ratio of >1 would spell the end to the idea of mining the Moon for helium-3 as a surplus would eventually be produced. The problem is meeting demand for tritium short term once the large projects like ITER use most of the world's reserves, without building more PHWRs.
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>>14853251*indentured servitude my dude
>>14853246just saw the fucking starship landing on the capital LMFAO. BUCK BEZOS payibg off the smithsonian to display this ugly patgetic piec of shit. FUCK HIM in his plastic weak ass. waht an emvarassment. no hrart and soul in spaceflight whatsorvet