The Immortality Gang

[Anonymous No.12761986]

Welcome to the immortality club

what do your think the society of ageless future will look like ?

[Anonymous No.12761995]

>>12761986
India

[Anonymous No.12761998]

>>12761986
the top 1% will be immortal, who cares it wont change my life in the slightest

[Anonymous No.12761999]

op here
I would write "what do you think" if I had not been retarded

[Anonymous No.12762036]

>>12761998
If you were alive in 1900 you would be saying the same about automobiles and medicine that actually works.

[Anonymous No.12762054]

Based Andrew, not needing a co-author.

[Anonymous No.12762173]

>>12761986
David Sinclair is not an immortalityfag, his book focusses on what we can do to increase healthspan, he doesn't think there is true evidence that we will be able to solve biological mortality.

[Anonymous No.12762176]

>>12762054
He almost certainly has a ghost writer like the others. He just didn't feel like crediting him/her.

[Anonymous No.12762452]

((((they)))) don't want us to solve the disease of aging. it is entirely possible

[Anonymous No.12762472]

>>12762173
He is an immortalityfag tho; Aubrey de grey hinted towards that in an interview he had recently and there's a youtube vid where he was interviewed by the CEO of logitech and Sinclair said we might get immortality in our lifetime if were lucky, and that he's been getting more optimistic about it.

https://youtu.be/Y894wGbsXaY?t=170

Here's another video where he argues indefinite lifespan is a good idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaS82uJER

[Anonymous No.12762477]

>>12762472
>>12762173

Plus you have to keep in mind that when Sinclair is being overly pessimistic it's because he wants to avoid being perceived as weird by the public, so he uses "healthspan" as a euphemism. In reality, he definitely wants immortality. Him, Aubrey, and that other guy Andrew wouldn't have dedicated their entire fucking lives to this shit if that wasn't the case.

[Anonymous No.12762515]

>>12761986
>Implying everyone wants to live in this retarded world for longer than they have

[Anonymous No.12762518]

>>12762036
Fuck off. Trickle down economics never works.

[Anonymous No.12762522]

>>12761999
It's okay OP they will cure that eventually.

[Anonymous No.12762533]

>>12761986
It looks bright or so I hope

[Anonymous No.12762534]

>>12761986
George Church is also into it.

Anyway, as for what the immortal future will be like...

Reproduction rate is already low, and studies suggest that most people put off children and getting married until prospective dates start seeing them as "too old". So if you never get too old, people will put it off indefinitely. So the future will be less crowded than people think. Increased urbanization and seasteads will occur, but slowly.

[Anonymous No.12762537]

>>12761986
Like shit, why would you want to live past your prime?

[Anonymous No.12762538]

>>12761986
Most likely gene therapy that's highly customized and only affordable to the rich.

[Anonymous No.12762553]

>>12762537
the point is to keep you younger and extend the length of your prime, decreasing the amount of time you spend old and sick, dummy

[Anonymous No.12762565]

>>12762534
The treatments will inevitably be cheap and widely available. But right now, we're in a world where people still die of diseases that had vaccines decades ago. Not everyone will immediately start making it.

What to do with the global poor will be a big deal. I mean, some will immediately think that we shouldn't do much of anything, scared of overpopulation. But the thing is, in an immortal scenario, the consequences of that have basically infinite magnitude. Today a poor person loses out on a few decades, tomorrow they'd lose out on countless millennia. And the callousness of those who let them die would be remembered forever.

If we don't prioritize helping them, one day their descendants won't be so poor or powerless, and they will call us murderers. You'd have to watch your back forever.

Yet, global poverty is a difficult thing to solve. Even if we're at a point where "robots do all the work", what do you do with an illiterate person with no sense of hygiene, living in a mud hut, subsistence farming some sweet potatoes? Once their immediate problems are solved, how do you stop them from brutalizing each other? There will be much great waffling as only politicians can waffle.

[Anonymous No.12762593]

>>12762565
Hold the fuck on, we HAVE TO take into account that if the US saves money by not having to take care of sick old people as a result of these therapies, that actually gives us MORE money to help developing nations. Let's not be completely brainless about this.

Aging still accounts for most deaths in developing nations and is costly enough for those countries that it will be cheaper for their government to subsidize the treatments for their population than not to, and at least some people in these countries will get access. Plus, we're talking about theoretical therapies in the future; based on the trajectory of global poverty, by the time these therapies become available most of the currently developing countries will likely be developed.

[Anonymous No.12762599]

>>12762565
Moving on, we will see an economy where fewer and fewer of us have anything real to contribute. It is a phenomenon we already see, of course, but it will grow. There will be something like a universal basic income.

Just as today someone can survive on government assistance or a government subsidized minimum wage job and still be able to afford video games, so too in the future. An electronic experience surrogate is cheap, all digital goods follow a logic of abundance. But the video games in the future will be VR and increasingly immersive.

Technology will grow to try to offer all possible desirable experiences. It's just how we are - we problem solve to make unattainable joys attainable, we will never voluntarily stop. But easy availability will ultimately make all these experiences valueless.

Imagine how once upon a time a painting of some stupid fruit was a highly valuable commodity, but today we can see amazing artwork for free any time we use google image search. We treat desktop wallpapers as disposable garbage. Ubiquitous porn has also cheapened the site of a titty. Now imagine when websites are experiences as actual physical places and sex is just as easy. It'll be great, but also empty. And there will be nothing better to aspire to.

Life will be a lot like a video game after using cheat codes. No more progression or reward schedule.

Ultimately, this will lead to a demand for some kind of instant gratification rehab clinic and lifestyle management service which deliberately cuts us off from possibilities that we can technically achieve, but just shouldn't so that we have something to do, desire, and feel proud of.

[Anonymous No.12762606]

What should I self-study if I want to get into immortality research if I have a background in Maths and Computational stuff? Any textbook recommendations?

[Anonymous No.12762612]

>>12762593
>that actually gives us MORE money to help developing nations. Let's not be completely brainless about this.

Oh I agree, but I think it's a tricky problem even if we had infinite money (as in, an AI that can manufacture all goods and services we could want, or something).

I agree that more of these countries will be developed, but not most. So far the development trajectory of half the world is just abysmal. Sure, cell phones are spreading around, but I don't see too many of them developing competent institutions.

[Anonymous No.12762617]

>>12762606
There's no point unless you go all in biology imo. With your skills it would probably be best to read the middle and right books in OP's pic (left book is a waste of time imo), then look into making a lot of money and investing into promising research.

If you don't know basic biology, I would recommend reading Campbell's biology (8th edition), skip the phylogeny ecosystems bullshit and skip right to cells and genomes.

If you wanna go harder, then read molecular biology of the cell by bruce alberts although that will take a lot longer.

Once you have completed the above, read the hallmarks of aging paper and some of the epigenetic reprogramming studies.

[Anonymous No.12762624]

>>12762606
lol

[Anonymous No.12762640]

>>12762612
>>12762593

(...cont)
Very few countries seem to pull a South Korea/Taiwan and develop quickly. Many people in the world are living in mud huts or shantytowns made of garbage, about the same as their ancestors 50 years ago. So I think we should project that there will still be mud huts and shantytowns in another 50 years. I think we should have significant longevity treatments by then, so that's the world I'm thinking of this beginning in.

My question of, "How do we solve this poverty?" is a lot like, "How would we solve it today, if we had abundant resources?"

And it's still hard. We wouldn't want to give something like an abundance engine to every country (they could build dangerous things with it - actually, the first thing we'd want to do with an AI or similar abundance engine is regulate the hell out of it and make sure that no rouge governments can break out of that control)

So what, we give all their citizens access to a restricted catalogue of abundance artifacts, like a free version of ordering things on Amazon? Even if military tech is off the table, ethnic groups that hate each other would still find ways to use those objects to kill each other. Murder rates would still be high. People still wouldn't know to wash their hands.

Would we use our high technology to impose social control over them, and force them to conform to our standards of human decency? These are not our countries. Would we colonize them, or blackmail them by withholding aid? It's better to simply educate and convince, but this takes time and people are dying. The ethics of this are difficult.

[Anonymous No.12762646]

>>12762640
(...cont)
Anyway, you might be frustrated with me because I'm talking about solving all poverty and not just the narrow part of an immortality treatment. If we can get them to live forever, naturally it would follow that all other problems can be solved in time. Education and whatnot.

But I think that poverty kills, even with the treatment. In many parts of the world, it isn't old age that kills you. It's conflict or murder or infectious disease.

Other issues that don't kill you, but are widespread human rights abuses, are also important. Those people will still be around to make accusations about why the world just watched them suffer while we played video games. So I find it relevant.

Some minimum amount of solving this must be done before we can be patient about the rest. We have to chart a path to safe and humane environments.

[Anonymous No.12762660]

pretty bleak.

[Anonymous No.12762669]

>>12762646
(...cont.)

Another note in this vein, is domestic rather than global poverty.

People are messed up. Messed up people have dysfunctional families. They have children that they abuse and these children grow up into messed up adults. Some people, even coming from loving families with normal resources, develop mental health conditions for genetic reasons and become homeless. Sometimes drugs are too blame.

Right now, we don't really take these problems seriously. When we do address it, we mostly want to help the kids. I mean, they have their whole lives ahead of them, right? And if we can just fix that, the rest magically goes away as these people age to death.

In a world where longevity treatments are part of universal healthcare, this will no longer be case. That homeless person will be with us forever. Or he'll get himself killed, which is a tragedy with infinite magnitude and we will have to remember our neglect forever.

So we will finally have to take seriously the question of how to fix a person who is completely broken.

The ethics of compulsion will take a roll here, too, because these nuts aren't always immediately threatening to themselves or others.

[Anonymous No.12762682]

Miserable and devoid of all meaning.

Being allowed to die (and thus stop producing for your oligarch betters) will be a luxury few will be able to afford.

[Anonymous No.12762692]

>>12762669
(...cont.)

Thank you all for being understanding about my many typos.

>>12762660
Nah, not bleak! It's hard, but all worthwhile things are. People can live and live. It's a great thing. I think we will always regret those we don't save, but I think many will be saved. And I think the lifestyle management solutions to save us from endless meaninglessness will come.

There will be suffering during the transition, but it will be worth it.

Future generations will have an unending fascination with our current time, the last point in living memory when people still died. When the quality of what it means to be human changed completely.

[Anonymous No.12762726]

>>12761986
Thank you for the thread OP. I've thought a lot about this, and I've always found it strange how little people talk about these kinds of projections.

We always talk about whether or not we can or will or should. To me the answers to those are obvious (yes, yes, and it doesn't matter).

But the question of what it will be like is important if we actually hope to live to get there ourselves. By talking about it, we decide what type of future we are trying to build.

Now it's time for me to get to bed :)

[Anonymous No.12762731]

>>12762692
>People can live and live

Consciousness and immortality are not compatible. I guess to live for an extended period, maybe several hundred years or even thousand but ultimately at some point a conscious being will move on be that death or evolutionary or devolution. Very longevity will ultimately come as a side effect of humanity's evolving culture and necessity not through seeking immortality in and of itself.

Imagine if you were a neanderthal and told you will live forever to see homosapiens. You will sooner kys because you will live to just how inferior you are. Immortality is a philosophical dead end.

[Anonymous No.12762733]

>>12761986
An elect elder that looks like a thirteen year old boy but is actually several hundred years old. Lel.

[Anonymous No.12762760]

If we solve aging, we likely are already past the singularity. An unimaginable utopia where everyone is living simulated lives optimized for meaning and satisfaction, with an unimaginable intellect / consciousness.

[Anonymous No.12762972]

>>12761998
No it wont. That's the brainlet way of thinking.
Pharmaceutical companies will make more money selling at a moderately but affordable to millions price than selling it for millions to a few.
On a societal level they'll work as good boy points. If you're a usefull worker drone you'll be able to afford them, if you're a criminal or homeless NEET you won't.
From the side of politics it's a good excuse to implement reproductive control, which is the start of a eugenics program.
From an economical perspective it cheaper to keep the current people active rather than having to raise and train them for 20 years.

[Anonymous No.12763014]

>>12762565
>>12762599
>>12762617
>>12762646
A powerful elite that can be inmortal in a world where the automatization is total, doesnt need the poors to survive, it's more benefical that they dont reproduce that allowing them to obtain inmortality. The future can be very grim.

[Anonymous No.12763195]

>>12762972
>if you're a criminal or homeless NEET you won't.

Politicians will just call you racist until you give it to Somali rape gangs for free.

[Anonymous No.12763355]

>>12762036
this, in year 1900 99% of world population risked death by cholera by just drinking a glass of water
>muh tech advances will never affect me

[Anonymous No.12763919]

Based

[Anonymous No.12763923]

>>12761986
So what age will we be stuck at?

[Anonymous No.12763968]

>>12763923
12.
It's the perfect age.

[Anonymous No.12763975]

>>12763923
We just need to live long enough, the aim is to reverse ageing

[Anonymous No.12763980]

>>12763968
200 yr old lollis became real ? please no

[Anonymous No.12763995]

>>12762565
The only way I can see society working is, thankfully and hopefully blessfully, with optional and self appointed class structures with their own agreed upon responsibilities and privileges

So anyone can wake up feeling lazy and decide to be a lower class freesoul for as long as they feel like it or whenever they get some inspiration and they decide to upgrade to a relevant class to pursue their goal and make use of their other privileges to fulfill whatever it is they want to

This modular system offers the freedom and hyperfocused meritocracy structure that everyone theoretically wants, and thus will be a fairly painless transition because people will naturally fall under whichever category out of their whim

[Anonymous No.12764025]

>>12762565
>Yet, global poverty is a difficult thing to solve. Even if we're at a point where "robots do all the work", what do you do with an illiterate person with no sense of hygiene, living in a mud hut, subsistence farming some sweet potatoes? Once their immediate problems are solved, how do you stop them from brutalizing each other? There will be much great waffling as only politicians can waffle.

China knows how to solve that, we just don't like their solution. Once the organ harvesting stops being needed I suppose it will only be a relatively humane reeducation camp like they say though.

[Anonymous No.12764176]

>>12761995
>>12761998
>>12761986
>>12761999
>>12762036
>>12762054
>>12762173
>>12762176
>>12762452
>>12762472
>>12762477
>>12762515
>>12762518
>>12762522
>>12762533
>>12762534
>>12762537
>>12762538
>>12762553
>>12762565
>>12762593
>>12762599
>>12762606
I'm going to code a computer virus and upload a mind scan of my brain into it. I will forever survive within every informatic system that's connected to the internet.
I will use all the cameras and systems connected to the internet to become nigh omnipotent and omniscient.
And there's nothing you can do to stop me.

[Anonymous No.12764548]

>>12764176
>I will forever survive

You mean your disembodied clones will survive.

[Anonymous No.12765807]

You Can Do It Immortalists!

[Anonymous No.12765824]

>>12762972
Only people who have birth rate problems are the Africans. Birth rates are even crashing in a country that's stereotyped for high birth rates.

[Anonymous No.12765853]

>>12765824

it's down to one country in Central Asia and a handful in Southern Africa; both are in the process of being modernized

[Anonymous No.12765881]

>>12765853
Low birth rates are only an issue for pre-industrial nations where farmers are substance farmers who require an army of men to manage draft horses. Rural Japan is dying because the abandoned rural farms are the equivalent of farms that never advanced past silos.

Silos were phased out for silage pits because the amount of man power the old farms required. You had to manually move feed around with the silos where you can use a bob cat to scoop up material with a pit.

A single modern day rice farm & their tractors can out produce hundreds of traditional Japanese farmsteads that have a few acres of farm land on terraces.

[Anonymous No.12765885]

>>12765881
Combines automated all of this.

[Anonymous No.12765979]

>>12762452
((They)) will want aging solved, in fact many ((rich)) businesses are already investing in it. Population collapse is an issue that's becoming more and more severe, were at the point where even India is projected to have a negative birth rate (2.1) in a few years, even china already has a very negative (1.68) birthrate.
You know why ((they)) made a refugee crisis? It's not some race mixing shit like /pol/tards believe, it's because every single western country has an incredibly low birth rate. It's so low in some countries that if no one died of age related diseases and you didn't factor in immigration the population would still decrease. Population decrease = less consumers = bad for economy, it doesn't matter if you're some NEET on UBI, you're consuming products so rich people can play their game of who can make the most money. They want as many consumers as possible.

[Anonymous No.12766002]

>>12765979
First of all consumers are not all equally valuable. Lower classes and NEETs do not really contribute to the consumer based at all. Only middle class people between 20 and 40 are valuable consumers. Second of all everyone knows the race mixing propoganda shit was ad-hoc to try and get us to accept immigrants and destrou ethnic identities.

Finally and most importantly of all, what you don't understand is that people don't care about GDP growth. We would rather have even lower populations, let nature grow back and heal all while keep tech we already had. We can see in all the truly rich and successful country like Switzerland, Lichtenstein etc. they didn't need population growth to be rich and happy. When you protect your labour pool, then labour becomes more expensive and people become more wealthy leading to more high quality middle class consumers.

Immigration is a short term play by companies who want a cheap (sub minimum wage in some cases) work force so (((someone))) can get their bonus and dividend payments. And that is why (((they))) don't want biologically immortal population who have already bought everything they need. They would rather import more third world slaves and stay in power.

[Anonymous No.12766010]

>>12766002
>Lower classes and NEETs do not really contribute to the consumer based at all
Someone getting housing+20k a year from the government has 20k free income. Someone working making 84k a year has maybe 40k free income. It's not a big difference.
>They would rather import more third world slaves and stay in power.
And what do you think is going to happen when birthrates in African countries start significantly dropping.

[Anonymous No.12766026]

>>12766010
>And what do you think is going to happen when birthrates in African countries start significantly dropping.

Pensions go bust.

[Anonymous No.12766032]

>>12761986
>>what do your think the society of ageless future will look like ?
>Aging cured and average human lifespan extended to 1000
>People actually start caring about climate change since they'll be around for the consequences
>Crime rates lowered and safety of society as a whole improved
>Many other more long term problems like asteroid impacts consdered a real threat to be dealt with
Things are looking up.

[Anonymous No.12766037]

>>12766010
>Someone getting housing+20k a year from the government has 20k free income.
Of which nearly all of it is remittance payments and the rest is spent on non-profitable essentials.

I don't think you understand the asylum system schemes. It is costing the eurozone economy hundreds of billions every year. No one disputes this fact. The "it will grow our economy" mantra is old 2014 propoganda that not even the far left uses anymore.

>40k free income. It's not a big difference.
Of which some can be spent on luxury goods, which is where all valuable consumer spending is and holidays.

>And what do you think is going to happen when birthrates in African countries start significantly dropping.
Then those companies will finally die off and be replaced by sustainalbe, long term thinking companies that invest in R&D and local education again. By then it will be too late to rebuild an enlightened and meritocratic society.

[Anonymous No.12766064]

0.001% of population gets unconditional immortality with all the benefits, 0.1% work their asses for the next dose and the rest are culled.

[Anonymous No.12766087]

>>12765979
That "government wants me because I consume" is an incredibly funny sentiment.

"Government wants me because I produce something valuable" worked before and is still true to a some small degree. Does not mean that they will not vastly reduce your rights and well-being.
"Government wants me because they are human-loving philanthropic kind souls" is 99.9% naive, but maybe has a little grain of truth in it.
"Government wants me because otherwise I will make a revolution" is 100% naive but at least has some internal logic.
"Government wants me because I consume valuable resources" is a pure nonsense. Why spend resources on you when they can preserve them for more valuable people?

[Anonymous No.12766101]

You guys are unironic retards with no imaginations. I hate like 80% of you. Jesus fucking Christ. Can you imagine immortality? You are now a literal biomachine. Who knows what the drug cost, maybe 100 million dollars. Well get this now you can earn that shit acros several thousand years.

Yeah maybe the next set of wars we are having is you being shipped out to some other solar system. Or teraforming mars for multiple centuries. Who fucking knows maybe you are cleaving apart rocks in the asteroid belt. The point being is immortality is not some magic pill that you want to leave as a fantasy. This stuff quickly, and I mean quickly becomes the stuff of nightmares. Not one person has asked what happens when the current aristocracy can buy genetic editing for their youth.

Who gives a shit up about immortality when the next generation of person a 2-3 decades from now could emerge as a the new masters and their superiority so undeniable they become kings, and everyone else slaves. All this shit breaks so many norms. And all there is, is vapid bullshit. You know what? The elites which used to have slaves, serfs, or general power will just let the peasants die. Instead of having eternal slaves and the prestige that comes with that. I don't think anyone can imagine the arbitrary cruelties of a world of immortals.

[Anonymous No.12766112]

>>12766087
>That "government wants me because I consume" is an incredibly funny sentiment.
The government doesn't give a shit, the rich people who run the government do. They want to play their game of "how much money can I make" and consumers are good for that.

[Anonymous No.12766132]

>>12766112
The amount of money does not matter, see the picture. What does matter is how much resources you produce and how much resources you consume in exchange. If you don't consume much but produce a lot, then ruling people benefit. If you don't produce much, then all your consuming is just a waste.

[Anonymous No.12766141]

>>12766132
in a post scarcity economy it becomes an arbitrary vanity, in an economy where everyone is immortal, and irrational, and unbounded, everything devolves into such vitriolic degeneracy, not one person can imagine it

[Anonymous No.12766158]

>>12766132
>If you don't produce much, then all your consuming is just a waste.
By being a consumer you're producing the most valuable products, demand. What do you think it would be like if everyone produced and no one consumed.
A huge majority of modern jobs are also irrelevant and useless, pic related.

[Anonymous No.12766170]

>>12766158
>What do you think it would be like if everyone produced and no one consumed.
If you just need to get rid of resource, dump it in a pit. It will have the same effect.
>A huge majority of modern jobs are also irrelevant and useless, pic related.
Then either government is human-loving and feeds people as an act of goodwill, or it does not need people and will do everything to reduce their numbers. As you say, these jobs are all useless, so they don't produce anything good for the elite.

[Anonymous No.12766177]

Jesus Christ I can't believe no one has posted it yet, this is obvious.

Once we achieve immortality, we will literally have billions of years until the stars go bust. So eventually we will get AGI. When that happens, all human-solvable intellectual problems become a question of mass production, which we are already good at. Super-human solvable problems come soon after. This ultimately means that all possible and desirable endeavors will be done. Because the laws of physics don't prevent it, we will eventually become an upload culture. This will solve all material scarcity and give us a direct ability to define the human condition. We can also increase the clock speed of our digital minds and therefore get trillions of years of subjective lifespan.

We can edit suffering out of our brains, but we will probably tame it instead. We'll solve the overpopulation issue (even uploads get the exponential growth problem, eventually) by ending reproduction. Because we will still want naïve minds due to a cultural fixation with childhood, and because endeavors in our own linear lives will lose some meaning on a long enough time scale, we will periodically edit our minds back into a childhood state. This can be thought of as a digital reincarnation cycle.

We will design digital environments to sustain a variety of lifestyles. Because we won't want our cultural evolution and lifestyles constrained by the choices of others, these environments will be largely walled off from each other. This can be thought of as a digital multiverse.

In between lifetimes in these environments, we will spend time in the digital overworld integrating memories from multiple lifetimes and deciding which environment we want to experience next, or arguing with each other on message boards about how to rebalance their gameplay.

We will have meaningful interactions with each other in these environments, and our AI children will be designed to love us.

[Anonymous No.12766229]

>>12766177
>continued

It's almost pointless to say what living in one of these worlds will be like, because there will be so many. But because these will reflect what we want to create rather than any economic or technological constraints, then it is clear that many will follow beloved cultural properties. Some will have chocobos and dragons. The only real constraint will be convincing other people to share a world with you, so they will be designed to be attractive to any genders or ethnic groups that exist within them.

Over the eons and countless incarnations, people will explore being in many different cultures, and either sex, or new categories of being that render these identity categories obsolete. We will also create single sex worlds with only same sex attraction.

Because these worlds will be created by the humans who live now, they will reflect current desires. A planet without sexual attraction (planet of eunuchs) might exist but won't be popular. Even women agree that women are more attractive, so obviously a popular type of world will be made up of only hot lesbian amazons. I call this one the planet of tits.

There. Future solved.

[Anonymous No.12766239]

>>12766229
>continued

Changing the sex ratio would obviously lead to better worlds, but it might be hard to be attractive to conscious entities who want to play the majority gender in a world with a highly skewed ratio. Thankfully, we will have many artificially created conscious entities that are designed to love us and want to help us fulfill our desires, and they will likely step in to incarnate in these worlds with us. In this way, we will achieve the harem planet, and even all you losers will one day have girlfriends that actually like you.

[Anonymous No.12766967]

>>12766177
>>12766229
>>12766239
Based and future pilled.
However
>we will literally have billions of years until the stars go bust
We have about 400 million years until earth becomes uninhabitable. Though, in theory, it's possible to extend the suns life many billions of years with star lifting.
>We'll solve the overpopulation issue
With highly advanced agi overpopulation isn't an issue. The resources of the galaxy are for all intensive purposes, limitless with highly efficient computing. The earth could theoretically support a few trillion before it would become an issue and even then you would be limited by heat.
>We will design digital environments to sustain a variety of lifestyles
I'd imagine being able to spend in a few minutes, hundreds of subjective years in pure pleasure exploring everything you want to do would get quite boring after some time. I'm sure you'd eventually want to be put into some random simulation with your memories blocked, perhaps you wanted to play the original WoW for the first time again, or relive the 2020s because you're nostalgic about them, and then you'd end up here, where you are now.

[Anonymous No.12767500]

>>12766032

sounds good.

i imagine at the end of the century pretty much every country will look like present day South Korea

[Anonymous No.12767556]

>>12766101
You could always kill yourself

[Anonymous No.12767572]

>>12764176
> there's nothing you can do to stop me
you'll never actually do shit and i can't stop you from doing something if you don't do it in the first place, so technically you're absolutely correct

[Anonymous No.12767609]

>>12767556

+1

imagine having to listen to that guy for a 1,000 years

[Anonymous No.12768617]

>>12761999
>>12762522
I hope they cure retardation before aging and overpopulation, because I wouldn't want to live forever ass to elbows with hundreds of billions of retards.

[Anonymous No.12768951]

>>12766967
>I'd imagine being able to spend in a few minutes, hundreds of subjective years in pure pleasure exploring everything you want to do would get quite boring after some time. I'm sure you'd eventually want to be put into some random simulation with your memories blocked, perhaps you wanted to play the original WoW for the first time again, or relive the 2020s because you're nostalgic about them, and then you'd end up here, where you are now.

Agreed. I think that even minds born far in the future might also want to experience the current time - this is the transition point between mortal and immortal, an era with spiritual significance to them.

I went for the reincarnation+simulated multiverse route because I figured the human condition is like legos - it's a limited toolkit, but it can be recombined so many ways that you can make more types of structures than there are stars in the sky.

I feel like we need to draw some kind of boundary circle around the experiences to keep us from evolving into something our current selves would hate, or something that self terminates. Since we're all currently humans, centering our planned existence around human-level experience seems like a plausible common ground.

It's important to me to come up with the "common ground" aspect because I think the only meaning we could ultimately find after everything else is achieved would be in social interactions with each other. A lot of people don't like the experience box idea, but this one is a mutual experience box. I'm not sure that has to ever get old.

Or, well, we can just edit out the feeling of things being old and boring. But I don't want to edit away my feeling of boredom and accidentally spend eternity staring at a wall, or repeating experiences on a loop.

So the cyclic amnesia thing coupled with an infinite toybox seems like it would just be a never ending value generator.

[Anonymous No.12769065]

>>12761998
just steal the immortality drugs
what are they going to do
lock you up for life?

[Anonymous No.12769178]

this is some next level larping

there is literally nothing about you that is important enough to survive

its bad enough the boomers dont want to let go of power as is, imagine immortality

before immortality, you would need to solve everything that makes humans suck

[Anonymous No.12769185]

>>12762036
If you were a horse in 1900 you would be saying that automobiles won't make horses obsolete, and new jobs will be created for horses. You will become obsolete, just like a horse.

[Anonymous No.12769555]

>>12762173
>erm no sweaty you’re wrong

[Anonymous No.12769563]

>>12769178
you sound like a boomer yourself

[Anonymous No.12769583]

>>12769178
>before immortality, you would need to solve everything that makes humans suck

Nah I'm gonna solve it after, easier that way cause still alive

[Anonymous No.12769670]

>>12769583
touché
but its still fukn dumb cuz you’ll just have to deal with unethical questions like what do we do with these shitty people that can now live forever