Mars Habitation

[Anonymous No.12692078]

Lets actually talk about the futureof habitats on mars. Here is the normie video about the final competition.
>https://youtu.be/lIvrIKaNCRE
Outside of the test in the video they did throw projectiles at them as well. The competition was in 3 stages.
Phase 1: the design competition
>https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/centennial_challenges/3DPHab_p1.html
Phase 2: Structural Member Competition
>https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-400000-to-top-teams-at-second-phase-of-3d-printing-competition
Phase 3: On-Site Habitat Competition
>https://www.bradley.edu/challenge/
These competitions have Already tested designs, material science and building processes. The competition is also supposed to continue on in the future.
It is important to realize this is theory testing and research so none of these designs would be the final product. However these competitions are fleshing out serious questions to our rapidly approaching future.
The top two of the final round were:
Penn State who came in second in the materials competition and second in the on-site competition.
>https://youtu.be/iVDY5m2lx3w
>https://youtu.be/J1TWlNWHrsw
AI Spacefactory: who came in first in the on-site competition
>https://youtu.be/XnrVV0w2jrE
>https://youtu.be/axnuLepJufs
And for the autists a 10 hr livestream.
>https://youtu.be/Sm7u5fm2sCY
These are some other designs proposed
>https://youtu.be/a_BN_xJZMOk
>https://youtu.be/2TLnCOCVicEl
>https://youtu.be/nHxO-zmqdLM
>https://youtu.be/W4pxp5AGeNE
>https://youtu.be/BxtK_K5lK-c
Here is a video talking about the 1st phase and the UAE habit
>https://youtu.be/j9SdeW5UqTY
We are about 3 years from starting our material staging of mars, we must discuss this.

[Anonymous No.12692105]

[Anonymous No.12692109]

wow do you really expect me to watch all that shit?

[Anonymous No.12692121]

>>12692105
Printing is definitely going to be the building procedure for space. At least until we get better spacesuits that we can work in

[Anonymous No.12692146]

>>12692109
I don't, I expect you to get all butthurt about the print designs and scream about impractical tunnels. But enough people will look at these and realize it isn't a meme

[Anonymous No.12692160]

>>12692078
I actually thinking the penn state teams project was better. The only thing that AI did better at was the structural shape and the aesthetics

[Anonymous No.12692162]

Also rover printer is much easier and more practical than a boring machine

[Anonymous No.12692168]

Okay but why not just build in a lava tube

[Anonymous No.12692210]

>>12692168
Because its harder, could be riskier and less people would be willing to live like that

[Anonymous No.12692268]

>>12692078
gee those sure are some pretty pictures and I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THEM. What I care about are the numbers. How much mass do you have to land, how much energy does it take to emplace/build them, what's the peak power, all relative to the livable floor space you get. Livable means pressurized and that one doesn't accumulate an unhealthy radiation dosage. Keep in mind that some of these aren't made from entirely Mars derived resources, printer parts eventually break down, and that you can't print components like air locks.

[Anonymous No.12692281]

>want to print R2D2 piece
>this happens
How will the MARSHA robots avoid mishaps like this?

[Anonymous No.12692323]

>>12692268
>Keep in mind that some of these aren't made from entirely Mars derived resources
Those probably won't get used, the top materials candidates used all martian materials
> I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THEM
Well you should because they are proposed designs which every project ever starts off as
>What I care about are the numbers.
Which come with testing.
>Livable means pressurized and that one doesn't accumulate an unhealthy radiation dosage.
All of the proposed designs were pressurized and most attempted to tackle the radiation issue. NASA has its own lab working on 3d printing and habitats but those don't see the public eye nearly as much. These competitions came up with a lot of good ideas and ruled out a lot of ideas that seemed good. I think people see the buttplug as the end all be all of this competition because it won the 3rd phase but in reality this was just a data collection method and the real thing will look different.

[Anonymous No.12692331]

>>12692281
By printing very slowly and monitoring the process from earth (and from mars eventually). The third phase was all about this aspect and thats why the buttplug looks like a buttplug, because it was the simplest continous printing structure that also could be structurally resilient. Watch the ai Spacefactory videos, they have some issues and they had to fix them.

[Anonymous No.12692339]

Printing is a meme, just have people there making concrete and steel

[Anonymous No.12692349]

>>12692339
>printing martian made concrete with a rover is a meme just have a bunch of guys in space suits make it and put it together with all this steel we had to ship here from earth.
You are retarded

[Anonymous No.12692406]

Just live in the Starships, there's plenty of space

[Anonymous No.12692425]

>>12692349
>just plopping some inflatables underground and covering it with on-site martian concrete them isn't a sufficient solution

[Anonymous No.12692478]

>>12692425
>requires big prefabbed structures from earth materials
>not scalable
>overly complicated and riskier construction
Yeah not great, theres a reason those ideas in the contest didn't go as far. But that was the ESAs moonbase plan

[Anonymous No.12692479]

>>12692478

[Anonymous No.12692486]

>>12692406
Thats the plan for the first few missions but spacex wants them going back and forth from earth to mars so we need a way to construct habs. Also being able to build things before humans land will be great for future missions.

[Anonymous No.12692536]

>>12692078
I like the ice hab designs.

[Anonymous No.12692552]

>>12692168
If I go to mars I want to see the surface every day. Also I have yet to see any lava tube renders, designs, data or discussion

[Anonymous No.12692553]

>>12692146
>>12692479
>>12692478
This design is actually really good for science bases.

[Anonymous No.12692560]

>it's another episode of proontfag can't deliver radiation figures for his buttplugs.

[Anonymous No.12692580]

>>12692560
Because its still being tested. look at phase 2 to see the material science aspect.

[Anonymous No.12692603]

I like the buttplugs

[Anonymous No.12692734]

>>12692603
based

[Anonymous No.12692742]

>>12692734
posting a few more hab designs because its cool

[Anonymous No.12692750]

>>12692742

[Anonymous No.12692764]

>>12692750

[Anonymous No.12692766]

>All these hab designs

Hope you enjoy never having kids lmao. GCRs don't give a fuck and will phase straight through your paper thin shitcrete polymer walls. Any serious design is well under the surface or tonnes of regolith.

[Anonymous No.12692769]

>>12692764

[Anonymous No.12692777]

>>12692766
You guys way overblow the GCRs.

[Anonymous No.12692803]

[Anonymous No.12692824]

>>12692777
You're right, it's only the single most massively ionising radiation type, don't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.12692839]

>>12692766
lava tubes are finite are not scalable

[Anonymous No.12692844]

>>12692824
Never said it wasn't an issue, just overblown. You can shield from it without being mole people

[Anonymous No.12692890]

>>12692844
>You can shield from it without being mole people

No, you can't and that's the point.

[Anonymous No.12692937]

>>12692890
Did you forget that hydrogen is a really good shield? Did you forget about material science? There are a lot of different ways to shield yourself from radiation and burying yourself is going to be near impossible early on.

[Anonymous No.12692940]

>>12692078
Cool thread bit the friends you called are kinda retarded.

[Anonymous No.12692945]

>>12692940
What?

[Anonymous No.12692955]

>>12692937
GCRs are super high energy and don't give a fuck about a few hundred mm of hydrogen rich plastic concrete shit.

>did you forget about material science

did you forget about physics?

[Anonymous No.12693001]

>>12692955
Give me some data that proves your point or fuck off. We don't know the increase in risk involved, we have materials that shield from radiation and it would be pretty easy to have a bunker to shield from large spikes.

[Anonymous No.12693024]

just tip a starship over and kick some dirt over it lol

[Anonymous No.12693033]

Tunnel cities are cooler.
Not the ones in giant lava tubes. No way you're sealing an opening hundreds, sometimes thousands, of meters across.
I'm talking man-made. Drilled by boring machines. Thousands upon thousands of kilometers of tunnel networks.
One Prufrock boring machine can dig almost eleven kilometers per year. With its diameter of 3.7m that allows it to make a little over two hundred American homes worth of volume for use each year.

[Anonymous No.12693037]

>>12693033
You don't have to seal a whole lava tube; you build sealed habitats in there, and let the tube shield from cosmic radiation and flares.

[Anonymous No.12693046]

>>12693037
I still don't think the extra effort of putting them in there and getting to and from the surface every time would be worth it compared to even just regular habitats that you pile a bunch of dirt onto.

[Anonymous No.12693051]

>>12693033
You just want Total Recall

[Anonymous No.12693054]

>>12692839
So what? They have to start somewhere.

[Anonymous No.12693055]

>>12693051
don't we all

[Anonymous No.12693056]

>>12693033
>>12693037
If I'm going to mars I'm going to see the surface every day. The tunnel slaves can work for me I guess

[Anonymous No.12693060]

>>12693054
So why set up in something that will take great effort only to abandon it? If you build a city on the surface you can grow, replace old structures and you have the entire planet to expand to. Also people wont an hero because of their living situation.

[Anonymous No.12693062]

>>12693056
>tunnels can't be connected directly to the surface by a short staircase
You can have habitats on top of tunnel networks,

[Anonymous No.12693067]

>>12693033
The only thing I could see a underground city being worth it is if you're on some end point that looks out at the surface.

[Anonymous No.12693071]

>>12693062
>having to go out of the way to look out a window
not great
>You can have habitats on top of tunnel networks
That would work decently however there are a lot of structures that'll need to be on the surface.

[Anonymous No.12693130]

Imagine living in inflated baloon in a vacuum. One rock from space or schizo cohabitant and poof, you die.

[Anonymous No.12693170]

Wtf is the point of sending humans to a dead barren planet? What do we even hope to gain from it? The whole thing sounds dumb

[Anonymous No.12693193]

>>12693170
Is this bait or are you really this ignorant of everything going on? here is a video of Elon Musk talking about it.
>https://youtu.be/H7Uyfqi_TE8
Some of the reasons to go there is that having humans on multiple planets increases our species survivability by a significant portion, the scientific data on climate, agriculture, radiation, construction and energy we will gain by facing the challenges of mars are great and will help earth, and the resources we can gather from space and ship to earth can significantly slow down and even stop the damage we are causing to the earth's environment by gathering and using its raw materials. On top of that expanding to other planets will ease our population density issues and there is really no reason not to send humans to mars.
>dead barren planet?
mars is neither dead nor barren.

[Anonymous No.12693196]

>>12693130
sounds comfy

[Anonymous No.12693199]

>>12693193
>>12693170
Also people want to go.

[Anonymous No.12693209]

>>12693170
I think about it like a progression thing. We need to take this step to go further and that is the only way to find more earth like planets. Also whites have always had a desire for exploration so why stop now?

[Anonymous No.12693219]

>>12693130
>he fell for the "habs pop like balloons" meme

[Anonymous No.12693242]

>>12693209
i want to explore your moms pussy

[Anonymous No.12693243]

I just want it to go faster bros. I know. It’s all wrong. By rights we shouldn’t even be here. We land on the moon half a century ago, we shouldn't be this far behind but we are.

[Anonymous No.12693245]

>>12693242
I want to explore your face after a .45 passes through it but we can't all get what we want can we?

[Anonymous No.12693261]

I just want muh domes man.

[Anonymous No.12693307]

>>12692349
incorrect
>>12692478
for an initial hab, big prefabbed structures are ideal
then, you work on tunnels or whatever

[Anonymous No.12693434]

>>12693130
/d/ would love inflatable habs.
>invite cute girl over into SNC hab
>shove air pump into her cervix without her knowing
>pump her with extra nitrogen and oxygen to the point she looks like she's pregnant with like 18 twins or something
>climb in

[Anonymous No.12693625]

1. Use a nonnuclear warhead to excavate a deep but thin crater
2. Tip a starship over into the crater
3. Cover everything but access port with regolith

Done. Give me my billion dollars.

[Anonymous No.12693664]

>>12692734
>>12692603
>>12692803
>>12692945
>All these onions biomicry architecture student designs with not a single right angle to be seen
Disgust.jpg

Living underground is the only way short and long term that we’ll be able to live on mars. The cosmic radiation is just fucking brutal and we’ll have enough problems with bone density from gravity without also having radiation to worry about.

Whether it’s done via tunneling or lava tubes, a geofront type situation is my ideal. A large underground volume that is pressurised and completely removed from the conditions of the surface. UV light is provided by thousands of micro led panels that line the walls and ceiling of the volume, making an artificial sky. The underground soil could be processed and purified such that you could plant trees, vegetation and release insects to cultivate the environment and build a food chain. People could live in real buildings, not ‘habitats’. You could have a slice of earth right there on mars. Some say this would be denying the reality of living there but I couldn’t care less. Mars is a dead irradiated wasteland. If we’re going to live there, we’ll want it to be as pleasant as possible.

>>12692552
>I have yet to see any lava tube render
I’ve mulled making some but pic related is basically the vision.

[Anonymous No.12693669]

>>12693434
>/d/
>inflatable
I stopped reading right there

[Anonymous No.12693673]

>>12693625
You could use an excavator...

[Anonymous No.12693699]

>>12692210
>its harder
Why?

>could be riskier
No, it isn't. You cultivate flora and fauna that will act as sealant with a good safety margin and let them proliferate into the walls. All the way to the surface if they want. Bonus points for incorporating the atmosphere into their food chains via the near-surface strata. Essentially the inverted terran model.

>and less people would be willing to live like that
Lolwut? Living inside an actual terran-styled home inside a huge cave with breathable air is less desirable than buttplugs, or plastic cubicles with artificial pretty much everything that is subject to failure? Might as well live in an orbital habitat at that point.

[Anonymous No.12693722]

>>12693699
You'd have a much larger distance to transport materials and supplies to the base itself from the landing site. That's why it would be harder.

[Anonymous No.12693727]

>>12692078
fucking clay pots lmao

[Anonymous No.12693731]

>>12693722
Dig an inclined tunnel from the pad to the lava tube, put rails inside and let gravity do the work for you. You only expend fuel for slowing down (balance the inclination between accelerating cargo too quickly and delivering cargo too slowly) and for bringing the cart, train or whatever back to the pad.

[Anonymous No.12693757]

>>12692486
Is it really worth it though?
Especially for the cargo versions, I wonder if it really convenient to ship them back with all the fuel they have to make for each of them.
Maybe they could just detach the raptors and send back only those in one single cargo, while all the others could be used as habitats.
It should be easy to cut the internal divisions and the tanks would be available as well, that's a lot of room.
Obviously with time they should become able to make their own stuff, but in order to reach that level they need first to grow in numbers soon.

[Anonymous No.12693766]

>>12693757
SpaceX could eventually develop a version where the tanks can be easily enough reused as radiation shields if filled with water. There's your cheap surface habitat, bro. Won't be much living space inside but it's only temporary, after all.

[Anonymous No.12693776]

>>12693731
That's a lot of digging. At that point you'd be better off just digging your living space out yourself.
Does anyone know if there's lava tubes already completely underground that we'd have to dig into to reach? Those might actually be the best for colonization. Tunnel out your initial base first and then eventually make your way to the tube. By the time you've reached it the settlement will be plenty big already. Since it would have been previously on its own the only way for air to get in or out would be through the base that's already there. From that point you could easily just dig another tunnel into it to allow for more air to be pumped in. If it had its own dedicated tunnel you could just make a big setup on the surface to take in the Martian atmosphere, filter it to Earth-like, and then pump it down there. You'd have to wait for some time for the potentially millions of cubic meters to fill up, but it could certainly be done. Either way, it would be far more practical and realistic than other suggestions that have been put forth concerning lava tubes.
>>12693757
>>12693766
It would just be impractical. It would certainly be more practical than the suggestions to use them as space stations, though still not advisable. Starships can't lay on their sides, much less handle the weight of whatever radiation shielding that was used.

[Anonymous No.12693786]

>>12693776
>That's a lot of digging.
Yeah, I know, Boring.

>At that point you'd be better off just digging your living space out yourself.
I'm thinking of the long-term, permanent living space. Nothing beats naturally-occurring caverns. Even if they are partially open for now.

>Starships can't lay on their sides, much less handle the weight of whatever radiation shielding that was used.
Starship's tanks can't handle being filled with regular water at 1 bar in 0.4 g?

[Anonymous No.12693802]

>>12693776
you need a bunch of extra oxygen for that, but you'll have a bunch of extra oxygen from propellant production

[Anonymous No.12693809]

>>12693776
>Does anyone know if there's lava tubes already completely underground that we'd have to dig into to reach?
This draws some parallels: https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/12/12/1970/htm
Especially interesting considering they were using a copter drone.

[Anonymous No.12693810]

>>12693786
Lava tubes are good for medium term settlement. They're too easy to outgrow.
They absolutely can, but that's not in any way relevant to this. The tanks are under the payload space. You'd have to flip Starship upside down and stick it in the ground like a stake for the tanks to be able to used as shielding. If you didn't know, the walls of Starship's tanks are the walls of Starship itself. You can remove the parts that separate the tanks from each other and the payload but you can't remove the tanks themselves without outright making Starship smaller.
>>12693802
The Martian atmosphere has oxygen in it, right? You just filter it all out to having Earth ratios. You can add other stuff to speed it up, but that's not strictly necessary, is it?

[Anonymous No.12693812]

>>12693130
Decompression isn't explosive unless like half of the entire hab wall is suddenly opened to the outside, unless somebody sets off a pretty fucking large IED there's no way such a thing could happen. If that were to happen, or a meteor large enough to crack the hab open that far hit, everybody would be killed anyways outright by the violence of the explosion/impact.

[Anonymous No.12693818]

>>12693810
the Martian atmosphere does not have oxygen in it, it has carbon dioxide
it has plenty of nitrogen and argon, but your oxygen is a byproduct of propellant production (you produce methane and oxygen in stoichiometric ratios, but consume more methane than oxygen filling up starships)

[Anonymous No.12693821]

>>12693818
Ah, I see.

[Anonymous No.12693829]

>>12693821
do you require a breakdown of Martian propellant production?

[Anonymous No.12693831]

>>12693810
>Lava tubes are good for medium term settlement. They're too easy to outgrow.
That's why you keep digging. After taking the lowest hanging fruit you have no choice but go further.
And they are medium-term only in terms of difficulty, which is exactly why I'm in favour of them.

>You'd have to flip Starship upside down and stick it in the ground like a stake for the tanks to be able to used as shielding. If you didn't know, the walls of Starship's tanks are the walls of Starship itself. You can remove the parts that separate the tanks from each other and the payload but you can't remove the tanks themselves without outright making Starship smaller.
Yeah, I became concerned that that post might be ambiguous sometime after making it. What I meant is creating living space inside the main propellant and oxidizer tanks. And filling the rest with water. Might be possible to cannibalize the header tanks for that, weld them into a sphere. But that would only give one "habitat" and spherical would be less practical inside a gravity field.
Either way you need spare steel and welding equipment already on-site for this idea.

[Anonymous No.12693842]

>>12693831
the starship tanks are "only" 9m across, they're really big but it's still only enough room for one family

[Anonymous No.12693850]

>>12693831
>That's why you keep digging.
But at that point it's no longer using lava tubes. It's just digging tunnel cities out from lava tubes.
The header tanks aren't really big enough for much use. The main ones you could use, but remember that whatever you want to use as radiation shielding in what would become the former payload area you'd have to either bring with you to Mars or dig up from Mars itself. At that point you're better off having dedicated habitats rather than trying to go with the wet workshop method no matter where you get your shielding.

[Anonymous No.12693862]

>>12692078
What is the obsession with surface habitation?
Underground tunnel habitation seems to me to have the advantage:
>protects from the day-night thermal cycles
>Small digging equipment is easier to get there than entire habitats
>More easily expandable than a surface module-based approach, if you need more room, dig your tunnels deeper
>Easier to make airtight/safe, an inflatable tube could be blown up until it fills the tube, then you'd only have to worry about punctures at either end of the tube and not against the wall and these would be easily patched. A hole in a hard shell for a surface module would be more devastating and hard to repair
If dug into the side of a cliff/ravine at it's base access to the habitat would be even easier than in pic related

[Anonymous No.12693872]

>>12693862
aren't you forgetting the greatest advantage, pisslocks?

[Anonymous No.12693891]

>>12692078
this 3D printed shelter looks like shit, and I'm sure they never tested it at 0.05 bar pressure.
they must find a better solution.

[Anonymous No.12693917]

>>12693130
>lives in a shitty concrete house

[Anonymous No.12693924]

>>12692078
can we terraform mars atmosphere?

[Anonymous No.12693928]

>>12693924
no

[Anonymous No.12693929]

>>12693928
why not?

[Anonymous No.12693933]

>>12693842
Or a few autistic astronauts who can endure in cramped conditions for a while.

[Anonymous No.12693940]

>>12693929
by the point in the industrialization and exploitation of the solar system that throwing half of Venus's atmosphere at Mars is feasible (which is the scale of what is required), having half of Venus' atmosphere hitting Mars won't be a good idea.
it's physically possible but not realistic

[Anonymous No.12693944]

>>12693924
>>12693928
>>12693929
yes but slowly and at a huge cost
don't listen to shills
it's possible

[Anonymous No.12693947]

>>12693850
>But at that point it's no longer using lava tubes. It's just digging tunnel cities out from lava tubes.
But people keep living in the lava tubes, the very same people who are operating the boring machines and providing everything else the newly dug out spaces will need to become and remain habitable. Tubes will remain the heart of the settlements for a long while. Might even attain some cultural significance if I know anything about humans.

>The header tanks aren't really big enough for much use.
It is a better than nothing case.

>The main ones you could use, but remember that whatever you want to use as radiation shielding in what would become the former payload area you'd have to either bring with you to Mars or dig up from Mars itself.
Not in the payload section, inside the tanks themselves. Actually, you can cut some pieces out of the payload section into spare parts and weld them inside the tanks into whatever shape that works best.
You get water from the Sabatier process. You'll need in situ methane anyway.

>At that point you're better off having dedicated habitats rather than trying to go with the wet workshop method no matter where you get your shielding.
You really think the printing tech that has only started gaining real momentum like 10 years ago is cheaper, more reliable, better understood and easier to set up off-world than metal welding?

[Anonymous No.12693962]

>>12693947
>Not in the payload section, inside the tanks themselves. Actually, you can cut some pieces out of the payload section into spare parts and weld them inside the tanks into whatever shape that works best.
Not even remotely worth doing. You'd be lowering the usable space of the tanks for even more effort than just filling the payload section with water. This is almost Rube-Goldberg levels of unnecessarily complicated.
>You really think the printing tech that has only started gaining real momentum like 10 years ago is cheaper, more reliable, better understood and easier to set up off-world than metal welding?
Yes and no. Printing is certainly overhyped but you seriously underestimate how much effort it takes to just move around those chunks of steel.

[Anonymous No.12693970]

>>12693947
the fraction of Mars' atmosphere that isn't carbon dioxide is roughly 60/40 Nitrogen/Argon
you're going to have so many tons of argon lying around that you'll end up using it as inert filler in your breathing gas
so much argon that welding is an absolute no-brainer

[Anonymous No.12693995]

>>12693962
>Not even remotely worth doing.
As opposed to what? Waiting until a robot prints a buttplg in which you'll die of radiation poisoning? You realize how much time you're saving this way as opposed to proontism?

>You'd be lowering the usable space of the tanks for even more effort than just filling the payload section with water.
So what? You will have some cheap, decently-shielded living space fast. While you are overseeing the machines digging tunnels or whatever else.

>This is almost Rube-Goldberg levels of unnecessarily complicated.
No, that would be sending an autonomous retarded machine to print a buttplug using no one is really sure what material and hoping none of these many points of failure will make it a gigantic waste of effort and money.

[Anonymous No.12693998]

>>12692078
Martian regolith masonry would be great as all you need is some brick molds and a machine to compact regolith into bricks and you got an industrial scale production, plus masonry is a good insulator and good radiation protection.
Masonry also allows you to build tall shit and have underground vaults, especially in low gravity. And its well known to most laymen how to use it. All you need is some concrete to glue everything together and some plastic sealant to keep the air in

Plop a brick-maker like this and an excavator or 2 and you've got a town in a can

[Anonymous No.12694013]

>>12692734
Is this Morrowind

[Anonymous No.12694016]

>>12694013
n'wah

[Anonymous No.12694020]

>>12693995
>As opposed to what?
Inflatables or really any other more traditional habitat.
>So what?
Literally the only difference between what you're suggesting and just filling the payload section with water is that yours takes more time and effort for less space.
>You will have some cheap, decently-shielded living space fast.
You will have literally none of that.
>that would be sending an autonomous retarded machine to print a buttplug using no one is really sure what material and hoping none of these many points of failure will make it a gigantic waste of effort and money.
No shit.

[Anonymous No.12694021]

>>12692552
It's not hard to do though. An inflatable hab with some internal structural props, covered with Martian regolith can still easily have Windows. Recess them a bit and maybe fill with water, likely provides better shielding than the dirt. Water is as good as you get to protect against radiation.
All these architectural renderings are fucking cringe and impractical

[Anonymous No.12694032]

>>12694020
>Inflatables or really any other more traditional habitat.
Where do you live while it's being built?

>Literally the only difference between what you're suggesting and just filling the payload section with water is that yours takes more time and effort for less space.
Since when humans can breathe water?

>You will have literally none of that.
Because you said so?

[Anonymous No.12694038]

>>12694021
aerogel is a great insulator, can block UV rays and are transparent so you could use them as part of a double window

[Anonymous No.12694042]

>>12692937
> burying yourself is going to be near impossible
Wut

> Turn up to Mars as a gigachad after 6 months training at 1.3G en route
> Pull out shovel
> Cover the entire hab in regolith in a few hours
> Think about that /sci/tard who said it was impossible and chuckle as the sun goes down over 2 moons.

[Anonymous No.12694046]

>>12694032
>Where do you live while it's being built?
On Earth. In the crew Starship for the time before getting it set up if you have to do it manually.
>Since when humans can breathe water?
Do you understand what I'm saying? Do you even understand what you're saying?
>Not in the payload section, inside the tanks themselves. Actually, you can cut some pieces out of the payload section into spare parts and weld them inside the tanks into whatever shape that works best.
You're saying they should use the tanks as living space instead. If they're using the tanks instead that means they're no longer using the payload section. Everything gets moved from the payload section to the tanks. Nothing is left in the payload section. You then fill the now empty payload section with something to block the radiation from getting to the people now living in the tanks under the payload section.
>Because you said so?
Because cutting up Starship and reassembling it is a task far more difficult than you make it out to be.

[Anonymous No.12694052]

>>12693625
> Making a new crater on a world completely covered in craters
Congratulations you just landed a job with NASA

[Anonymous No.12694060]

>>12694046
>You're saying they should use the tanks as living space instead. If they're using the tanks instead that means they're no longer using the payload section. Everything gets moved from the payload section to the tanks. Nothing is left in the payload section. You then fill the now empty payload section with something to block the radiation from getting to the people now living in the tanks under the payload section.
Oh wow, I didn't realize radiation can only affect you from strictly above on Mars. I guess space really is hard.

[Anonymous No.12694078]

>>12692552
>I have yet to see any lava tube renders
That would be a good sign actually considering how renders are usually just prop.
Anyway it's just a sealed environment protected from radiation.

[Anonymous No.12694089]

Feel free to live in your lava tubes and devolve into falmer, my kids and I will be living in our regolith tower city as befit of human-space elves

[Anonymous No.12694091]

>>12694089
>belters throw le rocks at him
>dies

[Anonymous No.12694099]

>>12694060
The sides are easy. You can just pile dirt up against it.

[Anonymous No.12694123]

>>12694099
>just pile dirt
>just
Or you just dig a tunnel right a way. Snap your fingers and poof.

[Anonymous No.12694126]

>>12694123
Piling dirt is by far the easiest thing that's been mentioned.

[Anonymous No.12694175]

>>12694091
>Marsquake caves in lava tube
>dies
>No chance to shoot them down

[Anonymous No.12694183]

>>12694175
>>Marsquake
>geologically dead planet
Wew.

[Anonymous No.12694195]

>>12694183
asteroid impacts can cause marsquakes

[Anonymous No.12694206]

>>12694195
Top secret cutting-edge technology, do not steal.

[Anonymous No.12694211]

>>12694195
allow me to to translate this anon's post
>throwing rocks can cause the ground to break

[Anonymous No.12694265]

>>12694123
Low gravity and soil isn't compact for several meters deep.
So yes it's really easy with just a small dozer like that.

[Anonymous No.12694408]

>>12693757
Reusability is what will make the passage affordable. In order for the colony to actually establish in time for the hype to keep up about mars the starships will have to be constant

[Anonymous No.12694414]

>>12693786
>Yeah, I know, Boring.
A boring machine is too big for starship right now which means tunneling is impractical

[Anonymous No.12694416]

>>12693024
this

[Anonymous No.12694420]

>>12692168
Because we can only have 7 of those. Nobody will want to live in Mars Tube #8.

[Anonymous No.12694424]

>>12694420
why not

[Anonymous No.12694432]

>>12693810
>>12693831
I honestly do not think underground is the way to go. It would be much simpler to just figure out above ground shielding and then surface build. It comes with a lot less problems long term and keeps building equipment much less price prohibitive.

[Anonymous No.12694439]

>>12693818
>it has carbon dioxide
Just plant trees bro

[Anonymous No.12694463]

>>12693862
Have you ever been away from the surface for long periods of time? As a submariner I can tell you living indefinitely like that would be hard.
>>12693947
Why would you want to live like that though?

[Anonymous No.12694468]

>>12694439
Martian atmosphere is 1% a thin as that of Earth. Honestly, the biggest and most important part step in terraforming Mars would adding a shit ton of gas, possibly by hijacking comets and crashing them into uninhabited areas.

[Anonymous No.12694478]

>>12693947
>It is a better than nothing case
You could make an ice barrier with a 3d printer like some of the designs proposed. That adds a composite regolith mixture barrier and a hydrogen barrier in between the astronauts and the outside

[Anonymous No.12694493]

>>12694463
>Why would you want to live like that though?
To make sure when the next global extinction even happens on Earth that wouldn't be the end of humanity.

>>12694478
This is the first printing suggestion that doesn't seem retarded.

[Anonymous No.12694502]

>>12693947
>You really think the printing tech that has only started gaining real momentum like 10 years ago is cheaper, more reliable, better understood and easier to set up off-world than metal welding?
Pressurized underground infrastructure is even less understood

[Anonymous No.12694517]

>>12693995
>Waiting until a robot prints a buttplg in which you'll die of radiation poisoning
The buttplugs will shield you from radiation

[Anonymous No.12694523]

>>12693196
I'm disappointed no one has given a biosphere-like project another try, especially if they start with one that's not populated by humans. Biosphere-2 almost worked out most of its problems but the interpersonal drama and a couple other hiccups derailed it.

[Anonymous No.12694526]

>>12694502
How different is it from pressurized underwater infrastructure? Sure, it might be obvious that you want to keep things out with one and in with the other, but in both cases you don't want breaches. Although with underground martian habitat it is less severe as you don't even have the problem of your breathing air being rapidly displaced by water, while that very same inflow of water/escape of air try their best to make the breach even worse.

[Anonymous No.12694539]

>>12694032
>Where do you live while it's being built?
Earth or in the starship

[Anonymous No.12694555]

>>12694042
Do you understand the complexities of tunneling on mars and pressuring it? Not to mention the size of the machines that would require.

[Anonymous No.12694566]

>>12694078
Not really, musk brushed off the boring company being on mars and NASA is all about surface habs. Underground seems to be just meme what ifs from youtubers and popsci articles

[Anonymous No.12694573]

>Destroys your chromosomes

Heh, nothing personnell

[Anonymous No.12694579]

>>12694183
Check out the findings from the insight rover

[Anonymous No.12694585]

>>12694468
>when the heavy industry is good for the environment
Hell yeah bros gigafactorys!

[Anonymous No.12694592]

>>12694493
>This is the first printing suggestion that doesn't seem retarded.
Its because none of you guys paid attention to the actual competition and NASAs takeaway from it. Everyone just sees the buttplug images and rages.

[Anonymous No.12694596]

>>12694493
If we can figure out radiation shielding on surface habs we would be much more equipped for long term survival and expansion imo. Plus i think it'll be a hybrid of above ground structures connected underground

[Anonymous No.12694600]

>>12694523
I think the UAE jas one planned in the desert

[Anonymous No.12694607]

>>12694579
>a windy season completely silences the seismometer tuned to detect much fainter quakes than terran
I guess we might see strong enough quakes in the future but so far I'm not sure it can be considered much more geologically active than our moon.

[Anonymous No.12694652]

>>12694526
>How different is it from pressurized underwater infrastructure?
Very different

[Anonymous No.12694655]

>>12694607
No look at it for real

[Anonymous No.12694898]

Buried inflatables are going to be the NASA plan but I do wonder about spacex. I bet they will put a layer of ice in between the pressurized layer and the internal layer.

[Anonymous No.12694987]

>>12693891
Watch the fucking video you Dumbass, they look like shit because they're intentionally under ridiculous time constraints and using bare bones design with untested materials.

[Anonymous No.12695018]

>>12694987
Cuckcrete pourers will never actually watch the fucking video. Waste of time to even talk to them desu.

[Anonymous No.12695078]

>>12695018
True but its so frustrating.

[Anonymous No.12695085]

>https://open.spotify.com/episode/2aB2swgyXqbFA06AxPlFmr?si=RknvnAjZRny1sAo3_xWRRQ&utm_source=copy-link
In case you faggots haven't seen it yet, new joe rogan Elon Musk 3 hr interview

[Anonymous No.12695097]

>>12694408
Reusability is key here on Earth to send those 6 flights to refill one depot in orbit.
That needs to be done in rapid succession, and many flights will be required.
I'm not so sure about the economy of taking back cargos from Mars, the window open just every two years.

[Anonymous No.12695152]

>>12695097
>I'm not so sure about the economy of taking back cargos from Mars, the window open just every two years
You want it to scale and cargos are going to be more important than personel carriers. If they're going to set up a large city on the level musk wants you are going to need hundreds of starships. Musk has said they plan to keep the first few cargos there but after that they are going have back and forth travel. Think about it there are only about 25 trip opportunity left to 2050 and musk wants a 1 million person colony by then.

[Anonymous No.12695199]

>>12695085
I know elon is always overly optimistic but this is really crazy how optimistic he is on starship. I'm getting really excited

[Anonymous No.12695208]

>>12695085
Also goddammit talk about Martian infrastructure

[Anonymous No.12695237]

Musk better make it musk like we don't need unimaginative shit like this

[Anonymous No.12695281]

>>12695208
If they do make these they should actually make them green like the top of that

[Anonymous No.12695325]

>>12695237
IDK it looks pretty comfy

[Anonymous No.12695423]

>>12692078
Is there a way to make that composite mix without corn?

[Anonymous No.12695434]

>>12695085
This just made it so much more real to me

[Anonymous No.12695450]

>>12695237
Geodesic domes and similar strut+tile combinations are the answer. Due to mars low gravity you can make them enormous compared to earth, cover entire craters with them. Made of repeated parts relatively small compared to the total dome structure so manufacturing equipment needs to be able to locally produce some medium sized components and that's all

[Anonymous No.12695556]

>>12695450
How to they tackle radiation? I would love domes

[Anonymous No.12695625]

>>12693060
>Also people wont an hero because of their living situation
Why wouldn't they? They'd still be living on a desolate, uninhabitable rock with comparatively little sunlight, where they die instantly if they go outside without a space suit or if the habitat breaks.

[Anonymous No.12695633]

>>12693731
>Dig an inclined tunnel from the pad to the lava tube, put rails inside
orders of magnitude more work than moving goods across the surface

[Anonymous No.12695648]

>>12693033
Have you ever been in a lava tube? Terrestrial lava tubes often have entrances so small that it's difficult for a person to enter.

[Anonymous No.12695678]

>>12695633
Exactly, tunnelfags just don't seem to understand that it would take a lot more effort

[Anonymous No.12695684]

>>12695648
That would be the only way i go caving

[Anonymous No.12695897]

Bump

[Anonymous No.12695917]

>>12695556
Aerogel protects against UV and are great insulators
Install sandwiched panels with lateral copper coils to generate a magnetic field and you'll be good

[Anonymous No.12696002]

>>12692323
No numbers, didn't read.

[Anonymous No.12696010]

>>12692766
>>12692777
>>12693001
GCRs fuck up your brain too
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep34774

[Anonymous No.12696284]

>>12695917
Interesting

[Anonymous No.12696285]

>>12696002
You didn't find numbers because you didn't read

[Anonymous No.12696453]

Just invest in micro reactors & tunnel boring equipment.

[Anonymous No.12696454]

>>12696453

[Anonymous No.12696508]

>>12695648
Martian tunnels are around a hundred times larger than ones on Earth. Generally anywhere from thirty to a hundred meters across. Lava tubes on the moon are even more extreme. Typically a thousand times larger than those on Earth.
>>12696453
>>12696454
Got any more stuff like this?

[Anonymous No.12696566]

>>12696508
Here's the micro reactor technology that I'm talking about. Westinghouse would be very interested in sending some reactors because it would make the public do a 180 toward nuclear energy.

https://www.westinghousenuclear.com/new-plants/evinci-micro-reactor

The most commonly asked question on the youtube video is "Can we send these to mars?"

Tunnels are the way forward because instead of shipping material in you remove it. This almost instantly starts up the economy because colonist would pay for an apartment to be built before they even depart.


An apartment/condo on Mars certainly is cheaper than an equivalent insize in NYC.

One of the biggest concerns if the mental health of being crammed inside a metal tube for 30 years with quarters more cramp than a submarine. With tunnels you build apartments within the walls of the tunnel. Boom, instant privacy. With apartments you could seal up people incase of disease or environmental issues.

These underground housing makes for great public housing as well such as for new arrivals if we transition to above ground structures generations later.


----------------------------------

Besides housing tunnels would be important for industrial reasons.

Instead of shipping in water tanks, you remove stone & seal up water basins/tranks.
That way you could store millions of gallons if you built the tanks & treatment plants in the right location.

You could also pump methane into underground storage tanks the way the strategic helium & oil reserves are done. You could also shelter methane production out of the elements with tunnels.

We could have a surplus built up so a rocket would top up orbiting fuel depots, and for missions such as to martian moons.
With tunnels you're not restricted by the underground room volume like you would with above ground structure.


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[Anonymous No.12696586]

>>12696566
One of the underground structures could be sprawling fitness centers that would include a pool for exercise, leisure, medical reasons, and possibly economic such as team sports.

--------------------

We could have massive rooms for things like storing rockets, working on them, and trouble shooting things such as engines that could be tested with a hanger door.

We could house a fleet of land rovers & long range drones that are the equivalent of global hawk that are drones that are able to stay up in the air for 32 hours, and have a range of over 12,000 miles.

Think of how revolutionary that would be for scientific research.

[Anonymous No.12696590]

>>12696508
bumping because I like to read these threads before bed

[Anonymous No.12696681]

>>12696453
>just

[Anonymous No.12696690]

>>12696586
I'm sure tunneling will be utilized but most structures will be above ground. Also the differences from mars and earth allow us to build much bigger surface domes then we could here on earth

[Anonymous No.12696705]

>>12696285
you didn't provide any numbers. Didn't matter

[Anonymous No.12696820]

>>12696590
Why Earth is red and Mars is blue.
WHAT IS HAPPENING

[Anonymous No.12696852]

>>12696705
And you provided nothing, go back to Facebook with your pop sci garbage

[Anonymous No.12696976]

>>12696566
Bump

[Anonymous No.12697572]

why people like OP so deluded about mars colonisation? we might be able to send people to mars but its sure as fuck we aint colonizing anywhere outside earth, unless we found a planet which has exact gravity. Send robots, not fucking fragile fleshlights.

[Anonymous No.12697590]

>>12694573
>turns on electromagnet
*blocks your path*

[Anonymous No.12697613]

>>12697572
>just send robots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOwSZce_sHI

[Anonymous No.12697642]

>>12697572
Gravity isn't the main problem here, at least we don't really know at the moment.
The first problem is lack of atmosphere, even a non breathable one would make a lot of difference.
The second is radiation.

[Anonymous No.12697667]

>>12697642
if you want to sustain a breathing atmosphere outside the biodome you need some sorta strong gravity. also our dna is evolved inside earth's gravity, we arnt evolved to space travel or fit for mars.

[Anonymous No.12697768]

>>12696852
Providing pretty pictures rather than any actual numbers is popsci garbage. This thread provides nothing, go back to facebook

[Anonymous No.12698327]

>>12697667
Nah, Mars at one point had an atmosphere of at least sufficient pressure to allow for the presence of surface water at up to 80F ambient temperature or 26C, thus it's atmosphere must have been at least half a bar, probably more. The reason why it's atmosphere is now so greatly diminished is because it's geologically sedate at the core and thus no longer has much of a natural magnetosphere. Gravity has almost nothing to do with it, Titan is only a fraction the size of Earth and substantially smaller than Mars and yet it has an atmosphere almost 50% again thicker than our own.

[Anonymous No.12698346]

[Anonymous No.12698480]

>>12696454
Hypothetically, if you did D O M E a large area of land like that bottom right pic, how high would the ceiling need to be so that your contained atmosphere blocked sufficient radiation?

[Anonymous No.12698493]

>>12697768
Again, if you don't look at the source material then your opinion is invalid

[Anonymous No.12698580]

>>12693434

[Anonymous No.12698896]

>>12698480
Good question

[Anonymous No.12698992]

>https://youtu.be/3VQropI9I2Y
Check it out

[Anonymous No.12699037]

>>12698992
>obsessed with the location's beauty
Its all going to look desolate

[Anonymous No.12699043]

>>12698992
>angry astronaut
>proontfag
Not surprised

[Anonymous No.12699171]

>>12698493
doesn't matter. You aren't providing numbers on how much mass do you have to land, how much energy it takes to emplace/build them, what peak power is required, relative to the livable floor space you get. Dumping links does not count as providing numbers. Provide the number then show me where that number came from or GTFO.

[Anonymous No.12699433]

>>12698992
>need doctors on the first mission

How about you send healthy people who aren’t going to die...
90% of Doctor shit can be done remotely

[Anonymous No.12699593]

>>12696453
On the bottom picture the walls would need insulation.

[Anonymous No.12700059]

>>12699171
If you can't be assed to look at the links then you don't deserve to be on this board

[Anonymous No.12700063]

>>12699171
Also why don't you give me the numbers on tunneling

[Anonymous No.12700091]

>>12694089
Nice radiation shielding, fag.

[Anonymous No.12700098]

>>12700091
>thinking a tunnel is the only way

[Anonymous No.12700112]

>>12700098
It's either a tunnel or an atmosphere plus a magnetosphere.

[Anonymous No.12700115]

how do they get people to give them money to do this stuff? these ideas are all retarded

[Anonymous No.12700119]

>>12700112
There's more choices

[Anonymous No.12700128]

>>12700115
>these ideas are all retarded
They really aren't and its architecture firms, universities and construction companies.

[Anonymous No.12700814]

I just want a window to the surface and then I'll be happy

[Anonymous No.12700821]

>>12700814
youll own nothing
and be happy

[Anonymous No.12701081]

>>12700821
Doubt

[Anonymous No.12701984]

>>12700059
if you can't be assed to provide CITATIONS, then you should leave. Dumping links don't count. Get out.
>>12700063
I don't give a fuck about tunnelling. I don't give a fuck about printing, I don't give a fuck about habs, I hate all this autistic jacking off to pretty pictures with no discussion of actual numbers. Printings better! NOOO! Tunnelings better! Fucking prove it with some numbers faggots.

[Anonymous No.12702327]

>>12701984
Then why are you here?

[Anonymous No.12702635]

>>12701984
>I hate all this autistic jacking off to pretty pictures with no discussion of actual numbers.
The numbers are being discussed you just won't look at them. Staging mars with cargo starts in 1-3 years. If we don't discuss this then we will be out of the know

[Anonymous No.12702896]

Will Marscrete be dense, brittle, or porous? Can environmental conditions be filtered or boosted through the walls breathing? Can we nuke glass the basements? Divert asteroid to impact to a resource site? Can we mine offsite from satellites or rocks with pioneer ships and transport to locales? Sorry I skipped all the shit above.

[Anonymous No.12702932]

Can we harvest uranium from the planet to power a refinery?

[Anonymous No.12702974]

>>12696566
underrail takes place on mars kek

[Anonymous No.12703259]

>>12702896
>Will Marscrete be dense, brittle, or porous
It depends on how you make it, martian regolith has a variety of materials and the two designs in the op image used a variation of marscrete. The buttplug mixed it with organic material which made it stronger but obviously harder to make

[Anonymous No.12703269]

>>12702932
Maybe, anything is possible once we have boots on the ground

[Anonymous No.12703549]

>>12699593
No

[Anonymous No.12703557]

>>12692078
How do any of these protect the inhabitants from the horrible muscle atrophy that would occur on Mars?

[Anonymous No.12703856]

>>12703557
Yeah that is solved though exercise

[Anonymous No.12703900]

>>12703549
That's on earth, earth is not as cold as mars.

[Anonymous No.12704176]

>>12694183

Look at seismic data, there are marsquakes

[Anonymous No.12704261]

>>12692078
im glad to see NASA returning to a focus on engineering. for the last 40 yearsit has been captured by scientists and has gotten boring and shitty because of it. I think the taxpayers want to see concrete proof of progress in space expansion. They dont want to build telescopes and look at distant stars. they want to see americans storming the firmament. its one of the things i think the last president did really good on.

there is too much that cannot be learned if you dont actually get out there.

[Anonymous No.12704268]

>>12692078
>growing corn on mars
good fucking god like we don't have enough of that jew food here on earth let's just spread it across the galaxy so we can make more high-tech mud huts jesus fuck

rest of the vid is pretty interesting though

[Anonymous No.12704339]

>>12702932
thorium would be better but yes, there are fissionables on Mars

[Anonymous No.12704367]

>>12704176
doesn't the insight data already suggest that there are no real Marsquakes

[Anonymous No.12704488]

>>12703259
Are you curing under same humidity, pressure, and temps as the region it would set??

[Anonymous No.12704496]

>>12704488
if gravities not just magnetic draw can you use device that would compensate for issues occuring from different pull strengths the gravity would have on the printing or pours? And can we carbonise the soil to make steel or is the mars soil just look irony?

[Anonymous No.12704500]

>>12704496
the soil just looks irony, the iron layer is extremely thin
however, that iron came from somewhere, so if you find that iron ore you're golden
in addendum, the chemical processes that you already need to set up for propellant production will allow you to refine steel out of iron ore (using hydrogen instead of carbon monoxide) although I guess you could set up a designated carbon monoxide production facility (MOXIE style, there's a testbed on the latest rover)

[Anonymous No.12704612]

>>12704268
The spacepilgrims need it for their mudhut expansion, now get back to shucking you fucking tunnelrat.

[Anonymous No.12704711]

>>12703900
it doesn't matter surface temperature, rocks are a good insulator by themselves.

[Anonymous No.12704899]

>"colonizing" planets
>when there's so much space in space

[Anonymous No.12704979]

From on engineering point of view Mars should about underground habitats where people remotely control external robots.
For people of today it's not cool enough, doesn't look like hollywood's mars.
And here is the problem: the only reason to colonize Mars is because it's cool.

[Anonymous No.12705565]

>>12704979
Its not about cool its about mental health, scalability and ease of building.
>And here is the problem: the only reason to colonize Mars is because it's cool.
Wrong

[Anonymous No.12705576]

Mars is like a desert but cold what's the point?

[Anonymous No.12705809]

>>12705576
To build a badass hivecity arcology on Mars, that's why

[Anonymous No.12705858]

>>12696590
I don't really know but I'd guess the atmospheric composition is different and so
>Earth
blue light scattered
>Mars
red light scattered

[Anonymous No.12705867]

>>12705576
Its close to the asteroid belt(non environmentaldamaging resource gathering), it'll increase our species survival and it will add a lot of new tech to our lives

[Anonymous No.12706091]

Why don't they just make a bunch of oxygen and do whatever that artificial magnetosphere meme is so you can get rid of the radiation problem entirely?

[Anonymous No.12706152]

>>12705565
Of course no one ever says because it's cool.
That would sound stupid so they don't say it.
And that's why Mars will never be colonized.

[Anonymous No.12706215]

>>12706152
>t:retard

[Anonymous No.12706218]

>>12706091
Because that won't work short term.

[Anonymous No.12706529]

What do you guys think spacex will send to mars on their 2022/2024 cargo starship missions?

[Anonymous No.12706642]

>>12706529
Probably just materials for a solar farm and a fuel plant

[Anonymous No.12707063]

Why aren’t they building and testing this shit in middle-of-nowhere Nevada or Antarctica?

All I see is concept art and science fair shit.

[Anonymous No.12707415]

>>12707063
It wouldn't be much of a test since the environments aren't similar
>>12692078
I did find a pdf on an antarctic station designed to rely on in-situ resources and minimize impact on the area. The construction would not be at all similar but the same design philosophy and type of infrastructure architecture would be very useful on Mars
http://www.antarcticstation.org/station/concept

[Anonymous No.12707506]

>>12692078
Let’s improve earth’s environment too.

There’s a planets worth of land still here
And the ocean.

I want humanity to have two planets.
3 if we terraform to moon into a funky zesty jungle maybe.

Environmentalism!
Let it echo through eternity!

[Anonymous No.12707598]

>>12707506
>Let’s improve earth’s environment too.
Hey faggot, if you don't understand how setting up on the moon and mars will help our own environment then you need to swallow a bullet.

[Anonymous No.12707600]

>>12707415
interesting, thanks anon. How do you think they would set it up?

[Anonymous No.12707625]

sincerely i think starship is too small to send people to mars.
Is it impossible to construct a ship in earth orbit?
If we arent restricted to earth gravity then we dont need to restrict ourselves to ships so small we could actually build a rocket big enough for people to not lvie like inmates.

[Anonymous No.12707645]

>>12707506
ECO-FASCISM! WHOOOOOOO!

[Anonymous No.12707651]

>>12707600
Probably have all necessary machinery as discrete modules packed up. Naturally, you'd want in-situ resources as much as possible so bricks or even proonters would be used for the main structure and then seal everything with rolls of plastic and shit
Heat would probably be transferred via air circulation and later underfloor fluid ducts
It's not gonna be pretty for first in habitats at least until a prefab factory can be build planetside

[Anonymous No.12707665]

>>12707651
>It's not gonna be pretty for first in habitats at least until a prefab factory can be build planetside
I actually think this is why the proonters would be used, Its basically the same as prefabbing.

[Anonymous No.12707852]

I for one and still a 100% supporter of Mars One

[Anonymous No.12707857]

As long as I get one of these I wont care what I live in.

[Anonymous No.12707910]

>>12707625
no, you cannot build anything in earth orbit
if you don't think Starship is big enough I have good news for you

[Anonymous No.12707917]

>>12707910
>I have good news for you
?

[Anonymous No.12707920]

>>12707625
>sincerely i think starship is too small to send people to mars.
dude starship is huge..

[Anonymous No.12707925]

>>12707920
Do you have a picture showing how it will be inside?
Because i am talking from a "space tourism" perspective, i doubt anyone will want to pay to live how astronauts live.

[Anonymous No.12707927]

>>12707917
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1166856662336102401

[Anonymous No.12707929]

>>12707598
>implying we shouldn't terraform the earth regardless of the success of our space missions
>2011 + 10
>holy fuck i've been on this site for more than a decade please kill me

[Anonymous No.12707932]

>>12706091
making an artificial magnetosphere of that size would probably take more energy than we currently produce

[Anonymous No.12707941]

>>12707925
Nobody knows what its actually going to be like but it'll be pretty roomy. Besides by the time they have space tourist on it they will make it geared towards comfort

[Anonymous No.12707944]

>>12707929
>implying we shouldn't terraform the earth regardless of the success of our space missions
We absolutely should not terraform the earth

[Anonymous No.12707963]

>>12707857
Damn, that’s a great looking concept. I was surprised it’s legitimately from NASA.

[Anonymous No.12708000]

Damn these threads are so fucking comfy.

[Anonymous No.12708038]

>>12707857
the fuck is that overdesigned shit

[Anonymous No.12708041]

how would they even transport enough oxygen to last in mars when there is no oxygen there

[Anonymous No.12708051]

>>12708000
True, as long as you're not rational.

[Anonymous No.12708053]

>>12708041
you don't need that much and you can make more with plants and sunlight in the immediate term
the plan for permanent habitation is to have a large rocket propellant production facility set up with solar panels and ice mining
you crack the ice into hydrogen in oxygen and combine the hydrogen with atmospheric CO2 to make methane and water (which goes back into the electrolysis machine)
this will always produce an excess of oxygen (rockets run fuel rich, production is always stoichiometric) and capture a shitton of atmospheric nitrogen and argon, so you can be as wasteful as you want with those three elements

[Anonymous No.12708070]

>>12708038
>he doesn’t want to off-road through Arcadia Planitia with his redhead PhD geologist gf in a batmobile

Not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.12708489]

>>12693917
> Living in a rented house

[Anonymous No.12708505]

>>12708041
>atmosphere is mostly CO2
[laughs in Sabatier process]

[Anonymous No.12708538]

>>12692078
I tried to watch that first YT video but RDJ's manlet boosters kept distracting me.

[Anonymous No.12708554]

The future of Mars in two words? Salt mines. We'll be mining salt for its thermal properties.

[Anonymous No.12708697]

>>12708053
Solar power is difficult at the poles...Maybe nuclear power?

[Anonymous No.12708719]

>>12708554
>A garbarge tier solar tech that doesn't even work on earth will work on mars

You're oblivious how bad this idea is.

[Anonymous No.12708767]

>>12708719
You don't have to use solar power to heat the salt. but its solar power or nuclear. What's it gonna be, bub?

[Anonymous No.12708770]

BTW when the oceans of mars evaporated they left behind huge salt reserves.

[Anonymous No.12708799]

>>12708767
Just evaporate the carbon dioxide ice and run it through a turbine as a first gen power source and then think of something else.

[Anonymous No.12708806]

>>12708799
You need water to cool a nuclear reactor and ice isn't water. So you beed solar to melt thr ice, but there's not enough sun at the poles. geothermal?

[Anonymous No.12709736]

>>12708697
SpaceX aren't going to the poles, the sites they have targeted are at less than 40 degrees latitude and have plenty of ice

[Anonymous No.12709814]

pic unrelated
Mars is fucking gay.
Instead of carrying all that plastic from Earth it's easier to just find a fucking cave and pressurize it. There are plenty of channels carved already by lava.

[Anonymous No.12709822]

>>12709736
Space X is a fucking scam, they aren't going anywhere with that gay silver rocket.

[Anonymous No.12709898]

>>12708000
They absolutely are
>>12708051
You are retarded

[Anonymous No.12709914]

>>12708041
You can make and recycle it

[Anonymous No.12709919]

>>12708538
Kek what a fag.

[Anonymous No.12709920]

>>12709814
It's ver difficult to seal up the lava tubes because they're fucking huge.

We need to send micro reactors and tunneling equipment, and get the Arabs or Indians & Chinese to do a money pissing contest.

[Anonymous No.12709931]

>>12709814
>Instead of carrying all that plastic from Earth
What plastic? Most of the printing designs use regolith and water

[Anonymous No.12709957]

> high fructose corn syrup will be the foundation of the martian food pyramid
The corn jew wins before the game has even started. How do they do it.

[Anonymous No.12709970]

So where are they even planning on landing? Do you go for the place that seems the safest, place with most interesting stuff, most resources?

[Anonymous No.12710241]

>>12709970
There are a few places but I believe spacex is going to set up where it is easiest to make propellant

[Anonymous No.12710246]

>>12709957
There is no hope, only corn.

[Anonymous No.12710249]

>>12709822

[Anonymous No.12710516]

>>12709931
No, the brown filament is plastic mixed with martian soil

[Anonymous No.12710539]

>>12709920
Just cover this hole an you have a habitat. 90% of it already built.

[Anonymous No.12710715]

>>12692078
I'm a con man, or maybe I'm a fraud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7G8PIwgZi4

[Anonymous No.12710740]

>>12692078
>not building underground

[Anonymous No.12710872]

>>12710715
sorry, anon, but you're getting fucked

[Anonymous No.12710887]

>>12710872
still plays on my end, you must be living in PuertoRico or some other shithole

[Anonymous No.12711285]

>>12710740
Its almost like building underground is a lot more complex than you make it seem

[Anonymous No.12711292]

>>12710516
For the AI Spacefactory design yes, not for the others. Also its its made from corn