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[Anonymous No.12557488]

Post your insane ideas edition.
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[Anonymous No.12557492]

>>12557488
Do the extra jets make it go faster or something?

[Anonymous No.12557497]

>>12557488
first for brutal moggings

[Anonymous No.12557499]

>>12557488
SpaceX is now building military satellites. Raytheon got kicked out of the contract and are throwing a hissy fit.

Press K to KNEEL

>https://spacenews.com/spacex-and-l3harris-win-again-space-development-agency-contracts-to-build-missile-warning-satellites/

[Anonymous No.12557501]

>>12557497
You're just looking for a "Starship docked to various space stations" thread aren't you
because Starship mogs every single Space Station ever orbited, including Skylab

[Anonymous No.12557503]

>>12557488
What’s musks plans for the moon? I get that he wants a base, but is it just a stop on the way to Mars or something like that?

[Anonymous No.12557504]

>>12557503
Who knows at this point? Starship is actually prett shit when it comes to exploring the moon.

[Anonymous No.12557508]

>>12557503
Elon's plan for the moon is "get payed to do cool shit by NASA and maybe brutally mog the competition"

[Anonymous No.12557510]

>>12557503
he plans to make some money off NASA contracts but other then that he doesn't really care about the moon. for spacex, mars comes before the moon. which is fine, because pretty much every other space company or organization is mainly focused on the moon

[Anonymous No.12557517]

[Anonymous No.12557524]

>>12557510
>>12557504
>>12557508
Yeah I suppose it’s good that he is looking beyond a target that was already conquered in the fucking 60s while everybody else is infatuated with it.

Mars is his end goal it seems and I can’t wait. I suppose he wants to create his own nation on Mars and given the speed at which he is moving he may accomplish sooner rather than later.

Also what happens to spacex once he is gone? Is one of his sons gonna get it? Could you imagine Mars being run by some kind of Musk monarchy that dominates the earth with it’s advance tech.

[Anonymous No.12557539]

>>12557524
there is a LOT to do on the moon, and Apollo didn't "conquer" it any more than I conquered the woods when I hit a bunch of trees with a stick as a kid

[Anonymous No.12557558]

[Anonymous No.12557573]

>>12557492
it's an aircraft carrier
Boeing developed 747 as a military cargo plane, but lost to Lockheed's C-5 Galaxy
suddenly, they have this giant plane developed, nobody is ordering it and the money might be wasted
this was one of the concepts to get military to buy it just before airlines asked for a passenger version few years later

rather silly, but not completely unprecedented

[Anonymous No.12557579]

>>12557573

[Anonymous No.12557581]

>>12557579

[Anonymous No.12557592]

>>12557573
Interesting, i wonder if they have thought of something similar again since now drones are a thing

[Anonymous No.12557596]

>>12557592
actually...

[Anonymous No.12557649]

Chink station is getting electric thrusters
>The Tianhe core module of the Tiangong Space Station uses the LHT-100 80 mN Hall electric propulsion system developed by the 510 Institute of the Fifth Academy of Space Technology (Lanzhou Institute of Space Technology Physics) to perform atmospheric damping compensation tasks. In order to meet the axisymmetric and reliability backup requirements, the system uses 4 LHT-100s, of which 2 will work at the same time. With this system, the annual propellant demand can be reduced to below 400 kg.
https://twitter.com/TheElegant055/status/1347341523113934848

[Anonymous No.12557661]

Hop day today? New flight restrictions for the 11th and 12th too.

[Anonymous No.12557676]

I didn't realize people in Europe were already beta testing Starlink too? The program is expanding fast.

[Anonymous No.12557686]

>>12557488
I was thinking... isn't it possible for starship to mount a parachute and detach its tip explosively if emergency ejection is needed? like no need to make a separate pressurized chamber but the escaping people are just attached to it and a parachute and exposed to the atmosphere with their spacex low pressure suits?

[Anonymous No.12557696]

>>12557676
Isn't it just UK still?

[Anonymous No.12557700]

I wonder how's starlink connection stability going to be, speed wise it would be the best choice for me because only way to get fiber to my place is paying ridiculous money.

[Anonymous No.12557701]

>>12557696
No idea but yeah I was referring to the UK.

[Anonymous No.12557702]

>>12557501
Based forever

>Eat shit reddit cobalt miners

[Anonymous No.12557707]

>>12557686

It would be very hard to install such a system and it is going to be utterly pointless anyway since the goal for Starship is to be ultra reliable anyway. The goal is to match or even exceed modern airliners in terms of reliability, making parachutes and the likes like that unecessary.

[Anonymous No.12557714]

Thales Alenia got the contract to start building the ESPRIT module for the Gateway. The contract is for two parts: (1) a communications component that is set for launch in 2024, and (2) a refuel module which is set for launch in 2026. The refuel module will include an observatory offering 360° views.
https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Human_and_Robotic_Exploration/European_Gateway_module_to_be_built_in_France_as_Thomas_Pesquet_readies_for_second_spaceflight

[Anonymous No.12557717]

>>12557714
Where are the windows on this thing?

[Anonymous No.12557730]

>>12557717

I dunno but I do wonder what else is happening in that image. First, what is that planet doing so close to Earth? Second, what is that huge explosion on Earth?

[Anonymous No.12557739]

>>12557714
Makes sense given the cupola on the ISS was built by Alenia. It'll look similar I imagine

[Anonymous No.12557745]

>>12557739
>It'll look similar I imagine
Heh never mind

[Anonymous No.12557746]

>>12557707
>the goal for Starship is to be ultra reliable anyway
yes but it will fail at a certain point... and will probably be a mediatic disaster for SpaceX so it is necessary in my opinion to still have a backup solution of some sort

[Anonymous No.12557761]

>>12557488

[Anonymous No.12557773]

NASA found out how to use GPS and other satellite navigation systems for Lunar navigation. In the pic you can see that satnav signals extend beyond the Earth, so NASA was able to figure out how to use those signals for calculating Lunar positioning. They've already tested it out in deep space and a commercial Lunar mission in 2023 will carry an experiment to test it on the Moon.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2021/nasa-explores-upper-limits-of-global-navigation-systems-for-artemis

[Anonymous No.12557793]

>>12557773
Does GPS work in space (ie. low earth orbit)? The only real difference is with the altitude, but it still works in three dimensions right?

[Anonymous No.12557822]

>>12557793
It says GPS is guaranteed up to 1,800km, after that you've gotta do things differently.

[Anonymous No.12557835]

Ding Dong!
The Witch is DEAD!

[Anonymous No.12557891]

>>12557573
>747 was developed as a military cargo aircraft
And today, most military cargo is transported by 747 contact carriers. It's ended up being a much more versatile airframe, while C-5 a shit.

[Anonymous No.12557911]

>>12557717
>>12557730
>Second, what is that huge explosion on Earth?
I think it's supposed to be a partially eclipsed sun, but obviously that makes no sense since the angle of light on the planets is wrong.

[Anonymous No.12557934]

Get on it's art anons

[Anonymous No.12557954]

>>12557700
How do you even connect? They send you a modem?

[Anonymous No.12557969]

Hop when?

[Anonymous No.12557976]

Is the cardboard box flight critical hardware?

[Anonymous No.12557983]

>>12557524
The moon is much closer by, so you can "move fast and break things" in an environment where you do not lose literal years of progress from a single fuckup. Mars window is only open so often, and you can actually get resources from the moon, cryogenic oxygen for example.

[Anonymous No.12557985]

>>12557746
I have yet to see a proposal for an auxiliary escape system for Starship that doesn't introduce more failure modes than it addresses. The central problem that the "muh safety" crowd fails to understand is that safety systems are not handed down by God and infallible, if you can't make it much more practical and reliable than the vehicle itself then it doesn't belong.

[Anonymous No.12557994]

>>12557976
The engines are looking nicer somehow. Less sensor nest?

[Anonymous No.12558001]

>>12557976
Oxidized copper?

[Anonymous No.12558002]

>>12557976
olive green is a great color for space hardware

[Anonymous No.12558009]

>>12557976
So...why is it green?

[Anonymous No.12558017]

>>12558009
Way back during Snate testing some NSF texas tankwatcher talked about how the next engine would be more advanced and you would pick it out by the green bell. I don't follow close enough but my guess is this is it and it came later than anon expected.

[Anonymous No.12558023]

>>12558002
Agreed. That or shiny stainless steel or shiny aluminium.

[Anonymous No.12558034]

>>12558002
True

[Anonymous No.12558035]

>>12557793
GPS probably doesn't work very well behind the moon. I guess that's one argument in favor of that screwy halo orbit instead of a simple lunar orbit. (mascons limiting the valid LLO inclinations are another reason)
But the signal angle from the satellites is probably bad to paint the moon during the times that the moon isn't eclipsed to sats on the other side of Earth, even with those side lobes.

[Anonymous No.12558046]

>>12557934

[Anonymous No.12558070]

>>12558017
So is it like Raptor V2.0? It seems like it’s missing a bunch of the wiring too

[Anonymous No.12558084]

>>12557488
Hey now you’re an allstar get your game yeah hey now!

[Anonymous No.12558100]

>>12557409
>>12557412
>fedex shipping label
lolwut

[Anonymous No.12558105]

>>12558002
God damn Russians and their tea cozies for their space craft!

[Anonymous No.12558107]

>>12558100
oh nvm, I figured it out
someone just put a used shipping box on top of it

[Anonymous No.12558128]

So no launch today, just another static fire? Bummer, but still cool to see them moving forward.

[Anonymous No.12558136]

>>12557985
>if you can't make it much more practical and reliable than the vehicle itself
there must be a way to do it.

[Anonymous No.12558151]

>>12558009
they wanted a green engine of their own to compete with arca

[Anonymous No.12558179]

metal expand and contracts in heat

steel too

how do we know the thermal tiles won't fall off the starship through that during re-entry or the vibrations?

[Anonymous No.12558193]

>>12558179
>How do we know
The same way we know anything: computer modeling, followed by physical testing.

[Anonymous No.12558197]

>>12558179
just a random precisation
steel is a type of metal alloy anon, the properties common to all metals apply to steel too

[Anonymous No.12558254]

some day theyre gonna make starship themed dildos

[Anonymous No.12558257]

>>12558254
yes and the super heavy mechanic arm to mechanically grab your phallus

[Anonymous No.12558258]

>>12558254
I'm rather surprised there aren't any out already.

[Anonymous No.12558263]

>>12558136
I doubt it. More likely, the ship will be its own 'escape' vessel in the sense that it will be able to do a soft splashdown if the booster ever failed (a capability Elon has mentioned). Any extra thruster and fuel system is a potential problem child which must be considerably more reliable than the ship's own thrusters and fuel lines while still providing high thrust. Parachutes are a fucking nightmare, ask Elon. Detachment requires completely rethinking the structure of the vessel, compromising it, making it more expensive, and separating it from the main branch of single-hulled ships which means less safety data by definition, and the systems to do so become another failure point.

[Anonymous No.12558271]

>>12557649
>he annual propellant demand can be reduced to below 400 kg.
And what is the demand for the ISS for instance? I don't know how large the Tiangong Space Station is, but probably a good metric is to compare the propellant demand per unit kilogram of the station. Although of course for it to be a good metric both stations should be on similar altitude orbits.
I just want to know how much of an improvement this really is.

[Anonymous No.12558275]

>>12558258
theres probably a falcon 9 dildo, it already looks like a penis

[Anonymous No.12558284]

some times i want to murder thunderfoot brutally and without mercy (in minecraft)

[Anonymous No.12558313]

>>12558084
Wonder how top heavy and likely to tip this set up is

[Anonymous No.12558325]

>>12558284
me too except in real life

[Anonymous No.12558328]

>>12558284
His vids put me in a bad mood
and his voice is so fucking annoying

[Anonymous No.12558331]

>>12557499
I fear SpaceX will be another old space company.

[Anonymous No.12558332]

Rocket seaplane guy here again.

I finally got off my ass and drew the cargo module. Also, after your feedback in the last thread, I've scrapped the RP1 burning aerospike engines and am now trying to decide between methalox and proplalox.

Overall, I think this is the most efficient configuration for a fully reusable ultra-heavy launch system with 1500 tonne to LEO capability, reusing ideas from the Sea Dragon and the Venture Star.

>two stage to orbit system
>first stage is a gigantic amphibious suborbital spaceplane launcher that takes off and lands horizontally on the surface of the ocean.
>second stage is a self-propelled "breadbox" cargo module mounted on the launcher's back with a payload bay measuring 15m x 20m x 60m
>launcher measures some 160 meters (530 feet) in length, has variable sweep wing with slotted fowler flaps and leading edge kreuger flaps for maximum lift on takeoff run
>launcher is powered by 4 massive linear aerospike engines that burn either methalox or propalox
>breadbox becomes the second stage after being boosted to mach 6 at just below the karman line
>breadbox is powered by two vacuum-optimized RS-25 derived engines burning hydrolox for the main insertion burn, and four smaller hypergolic thrusters for final orbital maneuvers and de-orbit
>launcher self-recovers by gliding back to the launch site
>breadbox self-recovers by belly-flop re-entry and splashdown
>taking the idea from the Sea Dragon, cryogenic propellants for both the launcher and the breadbox are extracted in situ from the surrounding seawater by electrolysis

>overall, the system's main role in the space program would be orbital habitat construction, particularly to carry massive torus segments into orbit for assembly
>it may also launch deep-space expeditions where an entire nuclear transfer vehicle can potentially be deployed with a single launch rather than painstakingly assembled with dozens of smaller launches

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.12558333]

>>12558284
#metoo

[Anonymous No.12558335]

>>12558284
WOTAH

[Anonymous No.12558336]

>>12558331
Until Elon dies, that will never be true.

[Anonymous No.12558345]

>>12558284
But Anon, who will combat slimy business school grad students scamming the fuck out of retards with dehumidifiers on kickstarter?!

[Anonymous No.12558348]

>>12558336
this... the great man theory in action... when Elon will die SpaceX will end like Apple probably... but at that point we'll already have a Mars colony

[Anonymous No.12558351]

Flop when!?

[Anonymous No.12558352]

>>12558345
>scamming the fuck out of retards with dehumidifiers
lmao this really happens?
natural selection?

[Anonymous No.12558354]

Martian soil is toxic, due to relatively high concentrations of perchlorate compounds containing chlorine. Elemental chlorine was first discovered during localised investigations by Mars rover Sojourner, and has been confirmed by Spirit, Opportunity and Curiosity. The Mars Odyssey orbiter has also detected perchlorates across the surface of the planet.

The NASA Phoenix lander first detected chlorine-based compounds such as calcium perchlorate. The levels detected in the Martian soil are around 0.5%, which is a level considered toxic to humans.[3] These compounds are also toxic to plants. A 2013 terrestrial study found that a similar level of concentration to that found on Mars (0.5 g per liter) caused:

a significant decline in the chlorophyll content in plant leaves,
reduction in the oxidizing power of plant roots
reduction in the size of the plant both above and below ground
an accumulation of concentrated perchlorates in the leaves
The report noted that one of the types of plant studied, Eichhornia crassipes, seemed resistant to the perchlorates and could be used to help remove the toxins in its environment, although the plants themselves would end up containing a high concentration of perchlorates as a result.[4] There is evidence that some bacterial lifeforms are able to overcome perchlorates and even live off them. However, the added effect of the high levels of UV reaching the surface of Mars breaks the molecular bonds, creating even more dangerous chemicals which in lab tests on Earth were shown to be more lethal to bacteria than the perchlorates alone

[Anonymous No.12558359]

The potential danger to human health of the fine Martian dust has long been recognized by NASA. A 2002 study warned about the potential threat, and a study was carried out using the most common silicates found on Mars: olivine, pyroxene and feldspar. It found that the dust reacted with small amounts of water to produce highly reactive molecules that are also produced during the mining of quartz and known to produce lung disease in miners on Earth, including cancer (the study also noted that Lunar dust may be worse).[6]

[Anonymous No.12558361]

>>12558354
Idk that sounds kinda gay we’ll figure it out

[Anonymous No.12558364]

>>12558332

>launcher measures some 160 meters (530 feet) in length

Absolute madman. Imagine the sonic booms this thing would leave. It would knock commercial jets out of the sky from hundreds of miles away.

[Anonymous No.12558366]

>>12558354
Just make better soil
>>12558359
Just don't breath the dust
duh

[Anonymous No.12558367]

>>12558352
Nah most of the people who end up with their money stolen are Commiefagnia """eco friendly""" virtue signalers. TDS definitely burned out a few of thunderf00ts mental fuses but the videos he did a while back on kickstarter scammers are legitimately hilarious.
Just goes to show how designing some fancy plastic shells in 3D software and having a sleek marketing campaign is more than enough to steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from leftoids who think that buying [PRODUCT] is going to convince everyone around them that they want to save the world.

[Anonymous No.12558368]

>>12558354
>>12558359
Both "problems" addressable by nothing more than a fucking sluice

[Anonymous No.12558369]

>>12558361
>>12558366
>>12558368
Imagine filtrating every gram of soil

[Anonymous No.12558372]

>it's dangerous to go outside on Mars without a space suit
wow really? who would have thought

[Anonymous No.12558374]

>>12558369
Beats not doing that, don't it?

[Anonymous No.12558376]

>>12558372
particles of martian dust could get into base easily tho?

[Anonymous No.12558387]

>>12558369
Who said anything about filtering? Perchlorates are soluble, dust is very fine. Just dousing and drying anything you bring into a pressurized area would be sufficient.

[Anonymous No.12558390]

>>12558332

please never be in charge of anything

ever

[Anonymous No.12558392]

>>12558354
it's fine we'll make potatos

taters

boiel em mash em stick em in a stew

[Anonymous No.12558395]

Based on my two google searches and optimistic lack of knowledge on the topic, I've decided 4ASS' first engine should be a RDE. When are we meeting?

[Anonymous No.12558397]

>>12558374
yeah goodbye martian agriculture

[Anonymous No.12558400]

>>12558376
Use an airlock

[Anonymous No.12558402]

>>12558313
Exactly 10%. After attaching it to a Starship, that is.

[Anonymous No.12558404]

>>12558397
>Goodbye Martian agriculture
Bring the dirt from earth then, at least at first

[Anonymous No.12558405]

>>12558397
What is hydroponics for 300, Alex?

[Anonymous No.12558419]

>>12558354
Chlorine being present is incredibly valuable, given how rare it is on the Moon and how much of our industry uses it. Sounds like a complete non-problem, akin to having too many gold bars taking up space in your closet.

[Anonymous No.12558422]

THE BAD ENDING

>SN9's lean causes unseen damage, RUDs on the pad on launch day
>Debris damages tank farm, causing a larger explosion and rendering the launch site barren
>Elon, as well as thousands of other Tesla owners die after a malicious software update causes tesla batteries to overheat and explode.
>Tesla stock becomes worthless

>The Demo-2 capsule, being re-used for crew 2, leaks hypergolics during the dress rehearsal. All 4 astronauts suffocate to death. The UDMH finds a spark and Crew 2 RUDs on the pad. Commercial Crew is shut down. Starship is eliminated from HLS in favor of Blue origin

>After a year of rebuilding the boca chica tank farm, new data suggests that the thermal tiles on starship will not be able to protect the stainless steel body. Starship program is put on hold pending a major redesign.
>SpaceX files for bankruptcy and is bought out by blue origin for the sole reason to gain the rights to the merlin engine. The company stagnates and is eventually shut down by amazon due to mounting costs

>Moon landing plans are pushed back to 2030

>Artemis 1 is replaced by a climate science satellite, launches on the first (and last) SLS in 2026

>American astronauts go back to launching on soyuz rockets. ISS is abandoned in 2030 due to rising seat costs.
>SLS is deemed to expensive to launch astronauts and is cancelled in favor of a successor to the space shuttle

[Anonymous No.12558425]

>>12558405
Aeroponics is even more efficient, but one of the two. You don't even really need "soil" so much as a nutrient concoction, the only thing you would not get out of the water and air is phosphorous and potassium.

[Anonymous No.12558434]

>>12558369
Wow it would take like...all of a fucking week to have hundreds of kilos if not a ton or more of usable soil, I guess everyone should just pack it up and stay here trapped on Earth to become slaves I guess. Removing chlorine or just putting additives into the soil that neutralize the chlorine is trivially simple, especially considering that a fleet of a thousand Starships gives you a mass budget of close to 100,000 tons, and that's what Elon is planning to send for the initial Mars colonization push.

[Anonymous No.12558436]

>>12558422

[Anonymous No.12558460]

>>12558397
>here's how you do this
>"but that's hard!"
>yes
>"Oh well I guess we're not doing that then, huh?!"
Retard

[Anonymous No.12558462]

>>12558434
>fleet of a thousand Starships gives you a mass budget of close to 100,000 tons

Btw do we have robots advanced enought to work all this out? I may not know, but robotics seems not ready at all for colonization of mars?

[Anonymous No.12558466]

>>12558462
How many robots were on the Mayflower?

[Anonymous No.12558477]

>>12558462
Why do you need robots? You'll have enough MREs to eat while setting up your Marsfarm so just do it by hand.

[Anonymous No.12558492]

Dust devils cause twisting dark trails on the Martian surface

[Anonymous No.12558494]

>>12558492
Almost looks like wisps of smoke.

[Anonymous No.12558499]

>>12558462
Robots?
Just use conventional machines but swap the ICEs for electric powerpacks and put some insulation sheaths on the hydraulics. Replace the normal cab with a sealed one that has a suitlock.
Lighter machines can just lose the cab entirely and just have a seat designed for space suits and chunky ruggedized controls.

[Anonymous No.12558511]

If we're doing mars pics, love this pic of opportunity finding it's heatshield wreckage.

[Anonymous No.12558512]

>>12558499
>Colonization effort sponsored by Tonka

[Anonymous No.12558516]

is sn9 flying today? lap padre stream says static fire

[Anonymous No.12558520]

How the fuck will Starship first land on Mars without a landing pad

[Anonymous No.12558524]

>>12558516
static fire

[Anonymous No.12558525]

>>12558520
Very carefully

[Anonymous No.12558526]

>>12558425
Followup to myself, after running some quick maths I think you could fit the entire potassium and phosphorous demand for an entire 100 person colony over a cycle in a single Starship with plenty of cargo to spare if you really felt the need. Of course, it's better to go in situ for absolutely everything, but if preparedness demanded it for the early missions you could do an entire mission with nothing more than stores plus Martian air and ice without breaking a sweat.

[Anonymous No.12558532]

>>12558499
Will they be controlled remotely from earth? Or do we have already automated ones on earth?

[Anonymous No.12558533]

>>12558520
Big feet with terrain adjustability. Probably more than necessary, it's pretty flat where they're going anyway.

[Anonymous No.12558534]

>>12558532
They will be controlled directly by the hands of the first wave of Martian colonists.

[Anonymous No.12558535]

>>12558526
Plan to bring enough supplies for the entire first mission, but also plan to harvest as much in-situ stuff as possible.
>>12558532
You climb in the truck and then you drive the truck with your hands and feet right there on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12558537]

>>12558516
TFR is for the 10th, 11th, and 12th, can't fly any earlier than that.

[Anonymous No.12558539]

>>12558499
>put some insulation sheaths on the hydraulics
or use different hydraulic fluid
>designed for space suits
or remote controlled from hab (without the 20 min delay between every action)
wouldn't work for everything of course

[Anonymous No.12558546]

>>12558534
>>12558535
Maybe I'm being paranoic, but percent of cancer in first colonists would be pretty high relatively?

[Anonymous No.12558558]

>>12558532
I'd recommend looking into the horrific effort it takes to do literally anything with a Mars rover. Controlling a robot on Mars from Earth is outrageously inefficient and takes months if not years to accomplish tasks that would take a human with direct control less than an hour. And that's just driving around and pointing some instruments, not building something.

[Anonymous No.12558561]

>>12558546
The combined year on the trip there and back would cause a minor long term bump. I believe Zubrin once described it as a smoker would come out net positive by abstaining over the course of the trip. Once you're actually there with appropriate countermeasures it's probably not any worse than being on Earth.

[Anonymous No.12558569]

>>12558546
Slightly, but not by much if the colony’s planning was done correctly

[Anonymous No.12558570]

>>12558558
>after 1000 trials in the simulated environment with the mockup vehicle, we've finally perfected a series of commands to place and drive in a screw!
>Okay we got the uplink back from the rover, it dropped the screw. Back to the drawing board!

[Anonymous No.12558574]

>>12558546
Nobody lives forever

[Anonymous No.12558577]

>>12558570
>>12558558
you now remember this thing

[Anonymous No.12558581]

>>12558577
Reminder that when the next Mars Rover lands, that seismometer will sense the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.12558584]

>>12558581
that's great, still stuck though

[Anonymous No.12558585]

>>12558422
my digits are a counter to yours
SN9 will land and SN10 will also successfully land in less than 20 days
check'em

[Anonymous No.12558586]

>>12558574
Wut. Armstrong kinda looks like Gagarin

[Anonymous No.12558587]

>>12558422
Trips to counteract

[Anonymous No.12558588]

>>12558561
>ywn close yourself into the airlock for a smokebreak
>>12558577
Didn't they just end up pounding on the top with the instrument arm to try getting it to go down?
Total mission time for a human: fifteen seconds.

[Anonymous No.12558591]

>>12558577
>On 28 February 2019, the Heat and Physical Properties Package probe (HP3) started digging into the surface of Mars. The probe and its digging mole were intended to reach a maximum depth of 5 m (16 ft) after two months, but on 7 March 2019, the HP3 mole had only made it about 35 cm (14 in), or three-quarters of the way out of its housing structure. Both NASA and DLR continue to look into the cause of the under-performing tool and for potential solutions. Scientifically useful measurements are possible at a depth of 3 m (9.8 ft).[110]
In case you're wondering that's about 60 million dollars per inch, which is also my going rate for plunging your mom.

[Anonymous No.12558601]

>>12558284
>>12558325
>>12558328
then don't watch his videos faggots

i only know that he exists from this general (and i still haven't seen a single video of his)

[Anonymous No.12558604]

>>12558539
Why the fuck would you not just control the vehicle in person? I can see making them optionally manned so that when Starships first touch down and there's no other habitat to retire to, that it might be easier to sit at an observation window with a secondary bank of camera screens and control work from there, but more work will be done in a single day with no time lag then could be done in months or even years with the time lag.
What twenty minutes time lag actually means is forty minutes lag on every action. Forty minutes for you to order the vehicle to do anything, plus another twenty to see what your action actually caused. Imagine digging a trench but you have to stand still for an hour each time you make one movement.
This would be an inconceivably wasteful expenditure of time, even just suiting up and going outside to work by hand for an hour would be more productive.
>>12558546
It wouldn't be incredibly high, the trip out there itself will incur the worst radiation exposure, and that assumes crewed ships will not have any more shielding than just their 2mm thick steel hull. With 100mT of mass budget at Crewship could easily spend some of that on like a half inch of boron rubber shielding within the crew compartments, plus they will travel with the engines pointed towards the sun, which means the thrust puck, fuel tanks and the crew's water tank will also be between them and the most regular source of ionizing radiation.

[Anonymous No.12558613]

>>12557761
>MLV is getting some love
Good to see more anons seeing the path we should have taken post-apollo.

[Anonymous No.12558614]

>>12558591
So about 100 million per thrust?

[Anonymous No.12558617]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iwQERHgqco

[Anonymous No.12558618]

>>12558586
They should name a starship after Gagarin just to troll the Russians.

[Anonymous No.12558622]

>>12558586
Armstrong was 1.8m gigachad
Gagarin was 1.55m king of manlets

[Anonymous No.12558643]

>>12558617
>Supermassive shell fired from Earth based railgun moments before detonating over ISS

[Anonymous No.12558644]

>>12558617
Why do you people post “designs” made by artists

[Anonymous No.12558647]

>>12558367
>post is 50% buzzwords
the mark of an NPC

[Anonymous No.12558650]

>>12558644
artist designs have soul

[Anonymous No.12558651]

>>12558617
I don't have time to watch the whole video so I'm skimming, but it's an inflatable station with a giant ion thruster? What the fuck is this for? I love it.

[Anonymous No.12558656]

>>12558651
No it's derived from Starship, like that old wet workshop idea

[Anonymous No.12558657]

>>12558650
>people think we are going to live in fucking domes because you need 10-15 psi of pressure inside

Fuck
Artists

[Anonymous No.12558658]

>>12558643

[Anonymous No.12558671]

>>12558658

[Anonymous No.12558680]

>>12558332
still retarded. seawater will fuck up your dreams of reusability beyond belief.
better idea would be to build a supersized MUSTARD.

[Anonymous No.12558684]

>>12558671
Why did these old moon depictions have it covered in spikes and jagged terrain?

[Anonymous No.12558688]

>>12558332

This shit will be so heavy it will sink like a toy boat when it's loaded with propellant.

[Anonymous No.12558692]

>>12558680
>3-way
This is a blue board

[Anonymous No.12558693]

>>12558684
It looks vaguely alien, and nobody knew what the surface would really look like up close at that point in history. The same design gets used even now for movies and shows and shit, want to show a desolate/hostile alien world? Cover it in spikes and shit like the Mojave fucked Mordor.

[Anonymous No.12558694]

So is this thing definitely happening?

[Anonymous No.12558699]

>>12558692
kiss my ass

[Anonymous No.12558702]

ESA director stepping down
https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1347593559332057089

[Anonymous No.12558703]

>>12558702
literally who

[Anonymous No.12558704]

>>12558694
As much as the others ever were.

[Anonymous No.12558709]

>>12558332
Spamming this post over, and over, and over will still not change the fact that this thing is massively too heavy to be an amphibiplane, that switchblade wings are a mechanical nightmare to maintain even on merely supersonic aircraft only a fraction of it's size, that hydromeme engines are still strictly inferior to LOX/CH4 engines because of the massive disparities in propellant density, or that sea water will eat this vehicle alive even if every exposed part of it is made of stainless steel.
It also won't change the fact that a ground launched and sea platform landing TSTO vertically stacked rocket could do everything you're proposing in a much more efficient manner.

[Anonymous No.12558713]

>>12558684
There was a period of time when we legitimately couldn't resolve surface details on the moon well enough to actually know what it was like.
>>12558694
HOPPENING

[Anonymous No.12558715]

>>12558704
Fair

[Anonymous No.12558718]

>>12558699
What could have been.

[Anonymous No.12558724]

>>12558702
>replaced by earth observation head
Do eurocucks really?

[Anonymous No.12558727]

>>12558702
The only ESA person I know (outside of astronauts) is that Israel fellow. Though now that I think of it he might be with Arianespace

[Anonymous No.12558734]

>>12558718
I wonder if a Superheavy could heft an Orion ship high enough for it to coast the rest of the way on bombs? I know nobody wants them to use bombs inside the atmosphere but what about outside? It'd be worth an expendable Superheavy I think.

[Anonymous No.12558736]

>>12558618
In all serious, they should use some names honouring the Russian space program like Korolev, Glushko, Chelomei and even the manned Mars programme, Aelita. Of course ships like Von Braun as well.

[Anonymous No.12558739]

>>12558724
No surprise given it's what they spend most on

[Anonymous No.12558747]

I know this isn't true but it's still funny

[Anonymous No.12558748]

>>12558747
i wish it was true, would be so based

[Anonymous No.12558749]

>>12558331
Just keeping up appearances to keep Biden off their back until he sets up his Martian nation and declares independence.

[Anonymous No.12558758]

>>12558747
but using of child labor in congo cobalt mines seems true?

[Anonymous No.12558770]

>>12558724
where yanks go euros must follow

[Anonymous No.12558772]

>>12557488
>Post your insane ideas
Dyson Trebuchet - High mass anchor station in orbit around a star with a long armature connecting it to another, low mass station in higher orbit. Ships dock with the anchor station, attach to the armature, are ferried out to a particular distance from the anchor and released during their launch window at near-relativistic velocities.

Same physical concept as using space elevators on moons and shit for unfueled launches, but on a solar-scale.

[Anonymous No.12558776]

>>12558772
and what does it have to do with dyson

[Anonymous No.12558779]

SN-9 static fire test LIVE
https://youtu.be/_eTKKtNkBUg

Possible flight on Sunday

[Anonymous No.12558783]

>>12558758
You seem to be gay.

[Anonymous No.12558784]

>>12558758
Wrong, bucko, that was their suppliers. They forced them to phase out the use of artisanally mined cobalt and greatly reduced the amounts used in their batteries. Most Chinese Tesla batteries don't have any because they use LFP cells.

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/about/legal/2018-conflict-minerals-report.pdf

t. TIDF(Tesla internet defense force)

[Anonymous No.12558787]

>>12558776
Common prefix for ridiculous nigh-impossible megastructures orbiting a star. Dyson Spheres, Dyson Rings, Dyson Swarms, yadda yadda yadda.

[Anonymous No.12558798]

>>12558772
Then you use your Nicoll-Dyson beam as a laser accelerator to kick it up to .9C

[Anonymous No.12558800]

>>12558332

What would happen if someone hijacked this thing and flew it into a building?

[Anonymous No.12558802]

>>12558787
.....it’s not a common prefix, it’s a person who proposed some ideas in the 60s...

[Anonymous No.12558803]

>>12558800
bye bye building lmao

[Anonymous No.12558806]

>>12558622
makes sense, he was one of the few to actually fit into a vostok capsule

[Anonymous No.12558812]

>>12558784
>>12558783
I'm not saying that tesla uses cobalt from child labor cobalt mine. I wonder if this problem in principle is still actual. Or it got fixed already?

[Anonymous No.12558813]

>>12558618
>Elon names a Starship "Yuri"
>it was actually a reference to /u/

[Anonymous No.12558815]

>Yes we've already had static-fire, but what about second static-fire?

[Anonymous No.12558825]

>>12558815
>Hee dosn't know aboot secend brekfest

[Anonymous No.12558827]

>>12558813
Elon should name one of the first Starships Chang'e 8

[Anonymous No.12558831]

>>12558179
They're held on with flexible clips, expansion won't do anything to them.

[Anonymous No.12558833]

>>12558827
>booster recovery on drone-ship "Chang'e I Can Believe In"

[Anonymous No.12558836]

Apparently SLS's SRB has been stacked. SLS must now launch within a year, as that's when the SRB "expires".

[Anonymous No.12558837]

>this thing is massively too heavy to be an amphibiplane,

Hull buoyancy is the key. Literally every merchant vessel in the world is denser then water but floats because of hydrostatic buoyancy. Also, CH4 and LH2 are less dense than water in liquid form.

>that switchblade wings are a mechanical nightmare to maintain even on merely supersonic aircraft only a fraction of it's size

Many of these were designed before CAD manufacturing and 3D printing. Modern design techniques should help at least to some extent. Besides, without the variable sweep wings the vehicle would never obtain enough lift to leave the ground.

>that hydromeme engines are still strictly inferior to LOX/CH4 engines because of the massive disparities in propellant density

LH2 is still the superior second stage propellant. And you can pull it, and LOX right out of the seawater

>or that sea water will eat this vehicle alive even if every exposed part of it is made of stainless steel

This isn't even a problem. You can limit the amount of time the vehicle spends in the water and use corrosion resistant coatings on the hull. The vehicle should simply be towed back to a purpose-made drydock for maintenance after a mission to prepare it for being towed out again for its next launch.

[Anonymous No.12558842]

>>12558827
"Nothing gonna chang'e me"

[Anonymous No.12558844]

>>12558831
ah so not just glue like the shuttle?

[Anonymous No.12558845]

>>12558836
>Launch delayed
>10 more years of contracts for first SLS

[Anonymous No.12558851]

>>12558836
How does dry propellant 'expire'? I thought SRBs were specifically designed to be able to sit around unused for years and still be usable at a moment's notice.

[Anonymous No.12558854]

>>12558657
read the case for mars, zubrin makes a good case for domes

[Anonymous No.12558857]

>>12558837
>And you can pull it, and LOX right out of the seawater
Except nobody does that. Pulling hydrogen out of water is energy cost prohibitive. All hydrogen produced in bulk is made from petrochemicals. That's the little green lie nobody tells you about hydrogen.

[Anonymous No.12558858]

>>12558851
Thats the ones for nuclear strikes. The ones used for space launches are different.

[Anonymous No.12558860]

>>12557517
>it's been a long rooaad.

[Anonymous No.12558867]

>>12558858
It still amazes me to this day how fucking terrible of an overall design concept the shuttle SRBs were. reusable rockets that need to be jackhammered clean after every use. production facility is across the country so they have to be put on trains. solid rockets that aren't time-stable. casing section seals killed 7 people. Just a fucking shit design in every regard.

[Anonymous No.12558868]

>>12558812
Artisanal mining of cobalt with child labor still happens in places like the DRC, it just gets sold to suppliers that don't give a fuck. Luckily for people who care about this issue, the use of NCM batteries for EVs has decreased in favor of NCA which uses less cobalt and LFP that uses none.

[Anonymous No.12558872]

>>12558802
Here anon, you dropped this.

[Anonymous No.12558874]

>>12558858
What makes them different? Both are just big tubes full of burny-shit aren't they?

[Anonymous No.12558876]

>>12557579
The crazy shit about this.

They wanted 3 B36s linked wing tip to wing tip. Each with a parasite fighter on the bomb bay. Each fighter armed with a giant nuclear tipped rocket.

The huge wing would give the peacemakers extra range. Allowing them to fly over the arctic to western Russia. Where they released the fighters, and turned around. The fighters would ignite the rocket and let it carry them closer to Moscow and other targets. Then they released the rocket and turned around. Where they would escort the bombers back to friendly air fields.

[Anonymous No.12558878]

>>12558874
Different mixture of burny shit for higher performance but lower shelf life

[Anonymous No.12558885]

>>12558815
I don't think he knows about second static-fire, Pip.

[Anonymous No.12558889]

>>12558878
If they went with military-grade SRBs, would they just need to be bigger then or what? Seems like a poor design if you need to refurbish your boosters repeatedly while waiting on SLS to finish getting not built.

[Anonymous No.12558893]

>>12558860
>gettin' from there to here

[Anonymous No.12558895]

>>12558836
>20 years to get actual hardware onto a testing stand
>some of the hardware has an expiration date one year away
>>12557517
The crazy part is that thanks to Starship, in a few years we'll see something docked to ISS that dwarfs it like that.
>>12558878
So it's the "aerospace-grade hand-milled carbon-fiber isogrid" version of burny shit?

[Anonymous No.12558900]

>>12558874
>What makes them different? Both are just metal whirlydoodles that run on burny-shit aren't they?

[Anonymous No.12558906]

>>12558893
>it's been a long time

[Anonymous No.12558907]

>>12558900
You tried

[Anonymous No.12558916]

>>12558889
They won't get money to build more when deadlines get pushed yet again.

[Anonymous No.12558944]

>>12558844
Definitely not glue, glue is shit. Tiles on Starship are held by 3 little spring clips per tile. The tile gets pushed into place until the clips grab then its permanently on there. If the tile needs to be replaced, they just bust it off. No point in trying to remove it without damaging it more because it's a ceramic, as soon as it cracks it gets tossed in a dumpster anyway.

[Anonymous No.12558957]

>>12558813
>makes Lolicolony on Mars aka Cunnytopia

[Anonymous No.12558968]

>>12558699
>>12558734
>Signal from Proxima Centauri is actually from aliens; they are telling us that our sun is too bright and our solar system is pumping out too much noise
>Back and forth discourse ends in them telling us we are gay
>Fleet of Orion ironclad ships are dispatched to Proxima to deal with those little bitches
>USS AYOWASSUPTHEN glasses their entire civilization

[Anonymous No.12558981]

>>12558968
>sun is too bright and our solar system is pumping out too much noise

[Anonymous No.12558984]

>>12558836
Nice o-rings you got there

[Anonymous No.12558986]

[Anonymous No.12558990]

>>12558986
STARSHIP CHAN

[Anonymous No.12558998]

>>12558854
Zubrins never built anything in his life, there’s a reason no one uses domes on Earth and those reasons are even more valid on mars

Meme curved structures are difficult to deal with or fix

[Anonymous No.12558999]

>>12558981
>they mean if we're too loud we'll attract the Bugs

[Anonymous No.12559001]

>>12558986
Upvoted

[Anonymous No.12559005]

>>12558836
>The Virgin Vehicle Assembly Building
>The Chad "Just build it outside with scissor lifts"

[Anonymous No.12559010]

>Axiom first crew Dragon mission has been delayed to NET early 2022
what went wrong?

[Anonymous No.12559011]

>>12558999
They will come and we will eat them.

[Anonymous No.12559014]

I don't understand, how do rockets like SLS that sit around for decades not have a high failure rate because of it?

[Anonymous No.12559016]

>>12558999
>Proxima here. You have Chinese people? You’ve already been infested. We are dispatching a fleet to glass your solar system

[Anonymous No.12559017]

>>12559014
orion already had a failure perhaps for that reason

[Anonymous No.12559018]

>>12558084

[Anonymous No.12559021]

>>12559014
if it never flies it can't fail

[Anonymous No.12559026]

>>12559014
Can't fail if you never try!

[Anonymous No.12559034]

>>12559018
Tf you will never drive a forklift with 2 million dollars sitting on the pallet

[Anonymous No.12559036]

>>12559021
>>12559026
Never flying is a failure to fly
Asymptotically approaching flight on the other hand means you will never have a launch failure but after infinite time you will still observe a launch attempt.

[Anonymous No.12559039]

What if we just made a really big ladder and climbed to space

[Anonymous No.12559042]

>>12559039
We don't have strong enough materials, and active support systems are too unstable.

[Anonymous No.12559045]

>>12559039
What do we make it out of?

[Anonymous No.12559046]

Elon needs to find uranium or thorium on mars. So he can build nuclear weapons and end this gay earth. I won't even be mad. If I'm on earth when it happens.

[Anonymous No.12559050]

>>12559039
>>12559042
>>12559045
Massive pyramid innit

[Anonymous No.12559055]

>>12558836
>SLS gets delayed
>SRB expires
>NASA has to consider taking it apart or replacing it
>Spends a month deciding
>Eventually chooses to use it anyways
>Artemis 1 pulls a Challenger

[Anonymous No.12559057]

>>12559045
The bones of the Chinese people.

[Anonymous No.12559060]

>>12559050
Nope, no material has the tensile strength necessary to withstand the downward pressure without flowing to the sides. Even if we had a material like that, the mass of the pyramid would cause the crust underneath the structure to deform and be pressed downwards into the Earth, which is really a ball of liquid with a thin skin of brittle crust over a thicker layer of stiff but malleable mantle.

[Anonymous No.12559062]

>>12559055
sad but I can imagine this very scenario happening, bold move to stack it so soon

[Anonymous No.12559066]

>>12559046
We probably nuked ourselves in Mars in the past and moved to Earth.

[Anonymous No.12559068]

>>12559057
There aren't any chinese people, anon. There are only chinese "people".

[Anonymous No.12559072]

>>12558999

[Anonymous No.12559085]

>>12559055
SRB disassembly test dry run rehearsal when?

[Anonymous No.12559094]

>>12559085
After Congress approval

[Anonymous No.12559097]

>>12559085
once they build the SRB-DTDRR building

[Anonymous No.12559100]

>>12558944
PICA-X material on dragon and presumably starship is not as brittle as shuttle tiles, a lot more resilient. I don't think they'll just break them off. I imagine the spring clips are probably able to release the tiles with enough force - spacex wouldn't make them totally permanent give that replacing a few tiles is probably going to be regular maintenance every few flights.

[Anonymous No.12559102]

>>12559050
I loikes how you fink bruv. Big fings in your fewtchah. Big fings mate.

[Anonymous No.12559110]

>>12559100
Starship tiles are not PICA-X

[Anonymous No.12559112]

>>12559110
Really? I'm mistaken then. Do you know what they are?

[Anonymous No.12559113]

>>12559100
>PICA-X
I wonder how it tastes

[Anonymous No.12559132]

>almost 3 hours since anything has happened
what's going on in the 'chica?

[Anonymous No.12559134]

>>12559112
a TUFROC derivative. Think space shuttle but less shitty

https://www.techbriefs.com/component/content/article/tb/pub/techbriefs/materials/25353
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/arc-15201-1-2_tufroc.pdf

[Anonymous No.12559138]

>>12559132
that's not uncommon. In my experience they typically start early and hit the end of the window

[Anonymous No.12559141]

>>12559094
Congress aproved wymin on the Moon in 2024 and ISS until 2030.

[Anonymous No.12559145]

>>12559039

It would take you roughly 8+ days to climb yourself into space on a ladder.

That is if we assume you'll climb at 1 kilometer per hour on a ladder that stands straight up, have 3 meals a day lasting about 30 minutes each (breakfast, lunch, dinner), rest for 10 minutes in every hour of climbing to catch your breath, take a drink and use this time to go number 1 and 2 and sleep for 8 hours a day.

In math form: 24 hour day - 8 hours of sleep = 16 hours of remaining climbing time - 1.5 (1:30) hours of meals = 14.5 (14:30) hours of remaining climbing time - 10 minutes per hour on rest, drinking, bathroom brake = 12 hours of continuous climbing × 1 KPH climbing speed = 12 kilometers a day. Space starts at 100 kilometers so, 100 KM/12 a day = 8.3 days.

[Anonymous No.12559150]

>>12559134
TY anon. I have some reading material for a little bit now.

[Anonymous No.12559154]

>>12559145
Maybe I'll just take the elevator then.

[Anonymous No.12559161]

180 billion would build a very tall launch pyramid.
DISGUSTING

[Anonymous No.12559167]

>>12559102
ate oldspace
ate dems
ate chinks (not racist just dont loik em up in space)

luv staship, rip snate
luv me musk
luv bocar chica

[Anonymous No.12559172]

>>12559161
Or at the very least could remove a significant part of this pesky atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.12559184]

>>12559172
>WWIII
>Earth becomes Mars 2.0- a dead world with no atmosphere
>but SSTOs become viable
>worth

[Anonymous No.12559200]

>>12559167

CAM ON

*BANG BANG*

MUSK LAD

*BANG BANG*

DO SAM

*BANG BANG*

FOOKIN HOPS

*BANG BANG*

[Anonymous No.12559205]

>>12559172
Just Marsform Terra. So much simpler.

[Anonymous No.12559210]

hop when?

[Anonymous No.12559219]

>>12559184
Atmospheric drag is a meaningless component of the d/V to get to orbit. SSTOs from Earth will always suck.

[Anonymous No.12559224]

>>12559219
shit. So we need to get rid of gravity too

[Anonymous No.12559229]

best company/program to work for in space for an electrical engineer?

[Anonymous No.12559230]

>>12559219
>chemical SSTOs from Earth will always suck
FTFY

[Anonymous No.12559231]

>>12557661
Flight on the 11th.

[Anonymous No.12559238]

>>12559230
>Nuclear launch from Earth's surface
And other fairy tales

[Anonymous No.12559240]

>>12559224
Just start removing sections of the earth and hurling them out into space.

[Anonymous No.12559258]

>>12559229
Chinese NASA. Enter now and you might work in the first manned Martian flight

[Anonymous No.12559259]

>>12559238
ONE OF THESE DAYS

[Anonymous No.12559261]

>>12557661
>Not posting pictures of Judy Hopps when asking about hops

[Anonymous No.12559264]

>>12559258
probably will get executed by a party member as a scapegoat when the first launch crashes, no thanks

[Anonymous No.12559269]

>>12559172
>pesky atmosphere
On..on earth?

[Anonymous No.12559272]

>>12559068
There are only "chinese" "people".

[Anonymous No.12559275]

>>12558369
this is why we need to build a swamp
swamps are nature's filtration devices, so they must be replicated in the martian tunnels

[Anonymous No.12559280]

>>12559259
ka-dunk, ka-dunk, ka-dunk, ka-dunk....

[Anonymous No.12559288]

>>12559275
>space swamps
sounds sick

[Anonymous No.12559303]

>>12559269
Yes, to hell with it

[Anonymous No.12559316]

>>12559275
What counts as a swamp? If the sluice water isn't reclaimed you could get a nice perchlorate-rich sludge pooling around the outflow. Probably could get some bacteria to live in it too.

[Anonymous No.12559318]

>>12559303
Sounds like you're full of hot air.

[Anonymous No.12559341]

>>12558009
Sponsored by the US Army.

[Anonymous No.12559353]

VENTING BOIS

[Anonymous No.12559376]

>>12559353
I'M GONNA VOOOOOOOOOONT

[Anonymous No.12559381]

>>12559353
>Methalox too dank...

[Anonymous No.12559395]

>>12559145
Gonna be listening to this a lot then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aHQnDTd1y4

[Anonymous No.12559413]

where is the recondenser in this setup?

[Anonymous No.12559425]

>>12559413
Far left, the silver object between the pair and single vertical black tanks.

[Anonymous No.12559426]

>>12559413
between the left two long white tanks and hopper.

[Anonymous No.12559465]

Alright so I was watching The Expanse and I have a question. What would a “realistic” Rocinante look like? So far it seems like it wouldn’t have constant thrust because even our Fusion engine designs have nowhere near the ISP. It also seems like a realistic one would have a giant propellant tank. And giant radiators.

How realistic would it be if Roci was twice the length with a giant internal tank, big radiators, and a centrifuge? Just curious because I’m loving the show so far after reading most of the books.

[Anonymous No.12559482]

>>12559465
Look, the Expanse is not realistic.
It relies on engines being like a 100 to a 1000 times more efficient with science magic.
We all know there's no such thing.

[Anonymous No.12559490]

>>12557497
>has convinced himself this happened
Zoomers get out

[Anonymous No.12559492]

wonder if they're having GSE issues today

[Anonymous No.12559522]

>>12559465
You probably wouldn't need a centrifuge as travel times would be too short to warrant it. A fusion torch can give you prolonged acceleration but it will be low, probably around .1g. There would be a suggestion of gravity aboard but not enough to make much difference. The ship wouldn't need to be quite double it's current length, the whole half of it from the middle PDCs down is drive, cargo bay, and water, say make it 50-60% longer.
It's base would also have to be the widest part of the ship, because even the light cast from the fusion torch would be enough to raise the hull to white heat. The base would be some enormously reflective and actively cooled material, it would always be at least red hot if not more so when the drive is on.
The ship's radiators would probably be at least as long as it's own body, making it look almost like a lawn dart or something of that kind.
It's drive isn't really conformal to any real fusion torch, likely it would be some sort of conical set of magnetic coils and laser igniters, with the actual plume of hot plasma forming not inside of it, but between 1-300m away from the ship and behind it.

[Anonymous No.12559536]

>>12559465
Assuming you could produce 1g of thrust consistently (which’d almost certainly require some kind of nuclear salt water or antimatter meme drive), I think you’re spot on.

[Anonymous No.12559545]

>>12559167
>>12559200
Good posts

[Anonymous No.12559552]

>>12559536
I was thinking that you if you want to reach 1% the speed of light, you burn at a bit over 1 g (10 m/s^2) for 3 and a half days. Then everyone just chills in the centrifuge until you get to your target where you burn for 3 and a half days at 10m/s^2 to slow down.

[Anonymous No.12559559]

>>12559552
I’d like to add that at 1% the speed of light you can travel 100 AU in a few weeks it’s still fast as fuck

[Anonymous No.12559565]

>>12559219
Atmosphere means you can’t accelerate at 10gs and eliminate grav losses

[Anonymous No.12559569]

>>12559522
Nice lawn dart

[Anonymous No.12559572]

>>12559259
50 million ton Orion city ships when ??

[Anonymous No.12559594]

>>12557488
God I love SFG but SN9 better fly soon because this place is dead

[Anonymous No.12559597]

>>12559490
Starship is more likely to get to orbit than Gateway at this point

[Anonymous No.12559603]

>>12559167
FOOK KENNEDY FC, BOCA FC FOREVAH
FOOKN 'ATE GOOVMENT SPAESS PROGRMS
SLS, WOT A WASTE UV TWENTY BILLION QUID!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm62RmV3p_w

[Anonymous No.12559608]

You know the size comparison render we need, but haven't gotten?

Starship vs Rocinante

[Anonymous No.12559611]

>>12559608
Starship is technically a bit bigger than Roci

[Anonymous No.12559616]

>>12559608
They're about the same length, but Roci is a couple meters THICCer.

[Anonymous No.12559623]

>>12559608
I'll say it again. The Expanse is fiction.

[Anonymous No.12559626]

>>12559611
Why use MK1?

[Anonymous No.12559630]

Say that sn8 didn't have pressure issues, it would've had trouble landing on those dainty landing legs right?

[Anonymous No.12559638]

>>12559630
Eh, probably. The crush core legs exist for expedience's sake and so far at least one of them always seems to get BTFO on landing.

[Anonymous No.12559641]

>>12559626
I didn’t make it desu. A lot of the best pictures of Starship come from MK1. If it’s any consolation, it has the exact same dimensions as SN8 and company

[Anonymous No.12559646]

>>12559630
SN5 and SN6 landed on them with reasonable success.
It can only be assumed that SN8 would have been able to slow itself enough that a soft landing would have occurred.

[Anonymous No.12559683]

>>12559230
>It's reusable guise
>Oh btw it's a hydrogen fed and cooled GCNTR

Yeah, that engine sounds very robust and totally won't be fucked after a handful of uses.

[Anonymous No.12559693]

>>12559230
>dude just add 7 fictional fission engines with fictional power outputs

Beautiful I am a rocket engineer now

[Anonymous No.12559696]

Also just copy the size, shape, and weight of the Saturn V because I am a lazy rocket engineer

[Anonymous No.12559721]

How could one who is interested in space make an informed decision on US 2020 election, when Biden has said literally nothing about space?

Is it really that irrelevant to normies, it doesn't even deserve a mention?

[Anonymous No.12559726]

>>12559638
IIRC SN15 is where the big changes start.

[Anonymous No.12559728]

Starship looks like it will be able.
But I'm a forever worried person.
I think it's gonna be a challenge getting off Mars for the return trip without blowing up an engine.
Imagine SN8 much closer to the ground, without sound suppression systems.

[Anonymous No.12559730]

>>12558546
lower then you think, especially once the artificial magnetic field is set up within a decade or two

[Anonymous No.12559734]

>>12559730
>artificial magnetic field
Look, I'm pretty drunk too, but no.

[Anonymous No.12559735]

>>12559465
Roci doesn't have a centrifuge - they're all just using magboots or walking under thrust-g

[Anonymous No.12559737]

>>12559721
>Is it really that irrelevant to normies, it doesn't even deserve a mention?

Yes

[Anonymous No.12559738]

>>12559721
Then you default to the democratic party position which is pro human space exploration and pro artemis. The only real thing I've seen being contentious is the way the artemis accords are forced on other countries, but they likely won't walk it back. NASA is probably best left alone either way. If it gets any attention from the next admin it will be for the wrong reasons.

[Anonymous No.12559740]

>>12559721
Because space is doing fine. If a giant asteroid were coming at the Earth or the Chinese were colonizing the Moon then maybe the story would be different.

[Anonymous No.12559743]

Is snine's static fire being scrubbed?

[Anonymous No.12559746]

>>12559728
Ablative concrete caused snate's failures, not vibration. Also sound is pressure, and is therefore proportional to atmospheric pressure, which Mars has precious little of.

[Anonymous No.12559751]

>>12559738
>which is pro human space exploration and pro artemis

are you high

[Anonymous No.12559757]

>>12559746
I guess.
Then Mars won't have a concrete landing pad at first.
So I'm worried a simple rock will hit engine bells at startup.

[Anonymous No.12559765]

>>12559751
https://www.demconvention.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2020-07-21-DRAFT-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf
>We support NASA's work to return Americans to the moon and go beyond to Mars, taking the next step in exploring our solar system.
Big Jim is mostly to thank. Truly we did not deserve him.

[Anonymous No.12559779]

>>12559219
>Atmospheric drag is a meaningless component of the d/V to get to orbit.
I'm trying to wrap my head around this. Why? is it negligible to gravitational loss?

[Anonymous No.12559780]

>>12559765
Wait for the timeline to get longer and longer and funding to get slimmer and slimmer. I'm old enough to know how this game is played.

[Anonymous No.12559784]

>>12559765
First election?

[Anonymous No.12559785]

>>12559779
Atmospheric drag is negligible compared to our gravity well.

[Anonymous No.12559786]

>>12559757
And if it does kick up a rock it'll be a good thing Snate blew its engines up which led to preparing for surface debris in advance.

Besides, someone has to be the first to land and lift off from there. Could make the same complaints about Apollo which never had a landing pad and landed and took off six times.

[Anonymous No.12559790]

>>12559721
Biden said nothing about fucking anything. Don't pretend you made an informed decision on any question except should Donald Trump remain President but regardless a question for another board.

Best case scenario: polling indicates the general public are unaware of Trumps involvement with NASA and Artemis (which is beyond debate) so they ignore the whole thing and claim Artemis as a victory for the 'Party of Science'.

One things for sure there will be no new Human spaceflight initiatives or increased funding etc to Artemis.

[Anonymous No.12559792]

>>12559757
Starships won't be coming back for a few synods at least, imagine being one of the first pioneers on Mars and going

>Um nah I'm going back to urf

Lmao. Hopefully the few token NASA diversitynauts have suit accidents so a return ship doesn't have to be prepped for the precious snowflakes.

[Anonymous No.12559796]

>>12559482
>>12559465
>>12559522
>You probably wouldn't need a centrifuge as travel times would be too short to warrant it. A fusion torch can give you prolonged acceleration but it will be low, probably around .1g.
False, you could get .4g out past pluto with a lithium salt water rocket

[Anonymous No.12559799]

>>12559780
obviously, but the only real important thing is that they keep supporting private space. SLS can be the huge waste of time and money it's designed to be, who cares. We need affordable LVs and reasonable regulations so that we can unshackle ourselves from partisan politics and teenagers can send rovers to the moon as a class project.

[Anonymous No.12559804]

>>12559765
>Oh yeah so let’s cancel Artemis ;^)
>HULLO GUYS ITS SCOTT MANLEY HERE TODAY IM EXPLAINING WHY CANCELLING ARTEMIS WAS A GOOD MOVE!

[Anonymous No.12559805]

>>12559799
And what makes you think they will do that?

[Anonymous No.12559815]

>>12559734
are you new?

[Anonymous No.12559816]

>>12559805
>why would democrats enact bullshit laws to spite the world's richest man who is upstaging le epic government science agency?

Gonna have to think hard on that one.

[Anonymous No.12559817]

>>12559799
>We need reasonable regulations
Well there's your problem right there

[Anonymous No.12559824]

>>12559816
My question was what makes you think they will support private space.

[Anonymous No.12559828]

>>12559824
they kept talking about how commercial crew was REALLY an Obama program

[Anonymous No.12559829]

>>12559824
Who gives a shit. Stop ruining the general by trying to own the libs. Starship will fly with or without political support and Artemis money.

[Anonymous No.12559835]

>>12559829
Any rocket flies with and only with FAA's blessing. This is not about "owning" anyone. This is about telling people to stop being giddy little shits and waking up to what a big fucking mess politics is how it's holding us all back. It doesn't matter who the fuck is at the stick at the moment, they all fuck us over first chance they get.

[Anonymous No.12559837]

>>12559829
>Planetary protection laws
>*Blocks your path*

Pretending that these people don't have an ideological grudge is very ignorant.

[Anonymous No.12559840]

Boca Chica cars are leaving now

[Anonymous No.12559843]

>>12559840
Sometimes I wish SpaceX would just say “Hey guys we have a static fire at 6 PM no need to watch us autistically all day.”

[Anonymous No.12559847]

>>12559843
>>12559840
somebody violated the range

[Anonymous No.12559848]

>>12559835
To be fair SpaceX just bought land in Indonesia. The day after election as I recall. So someone agrees with you but it won't matter. They've come too far. They'll find a way to get to Mars regardless.

Elon has serious PR clout even without leaving the US he could make life pretty miserable for any Planetary protectionist presidents.

[Anonymous No.12559850]

>>12559848
Doesn't matter if they buy land in Inner Mongolia. ITAR.

[Anonymous No.12559851]

>>12559799
>Regulations
>Reasonable
Fine in theory, nonexistent in practice, most regulations are unreasonable on the face, and any given regulation, the probability that it will grow into something unreasonable approaches certainty over time.
The only thing necessary is to uphold a practice of nonaggression/noninterference undergirded by a framework of simple, generalized laws which apply to everyone. If you smash someone else's rover you have to recoup them something of equal value, etc.

[Anonymous No.12559852]

>>12559843
I just wish Lab was still a silent stream.

[Anonymous No.12559853]

>>12559848
>To be fair SpaceX just bought land in Indonesia.
sauce

[Anonymous No.12559855]

>We don't live in the timeline where Musk has a private island and ITAR doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.12559857]

>>12559743
there was a range violation

[Anonymous No.12559858]

>>12559848
Bros what if Musk ditches Texas and leaves the US. I’d be pissed if the martian colony was only Indonesians and Americans get cucked out of luck because of our old sociopathic beaurocrats

[Anonymous No.12559859]

The US is dying there will be no spaceflight

[Anonymous No.12559860]

>>12559857
IM GONNA FUCKING NUKE THESE BOCA BOOMERS, ON GOD

[Anonymous No.12559862]

>>12559848
Rocketlab is under ITAR and flies out of NZ. It doesn't matter. Also there are reasons SpaceX has to buy up foreign land relating to Starship (landing zones) or Starlink (ground stations).

[Anonymous No.12559863]

>>12559859
There will be spaceflight but only for Earth climate monitoring satellites

[Anonymous No.12559864]

>>12559848
>>12559850
>>12559855
>>12559858
>>12559859
SpaceX is never leaving the US, retards.

[Anonymous No.12559865]

>>12559864
Why the fuck do you think I posted ITAR, dumbfuck?

[Anonymous No.12559867]

>>12559858
Expendable politicians
>>12559859
The US is not SpaceX, at this point I'll back Elon's PMC separatist efforts over the gov.

[Anonymous No.12559869]

>FAA blocks further Boca Chica development

[Anonymous No.12559870]

>>12559850
? rocket lab is a US company that launches from new zealand all the time

[Anonymous No.12559871]

>>12559852
I remember leaving Lab on in the living room while I was cooking when suddenly I heard a loud SNORT and burp that scared the shit out of me lmao

[Anonymous No.12559874]

>>12559864
Why the fuck do you thing I posted about alternate timelines, dumbfuck?

[Anonymous No.12559875]

>>12559871
kek those were the days. I'm actually British myself but I can't fucking stand the English guys that talk all over any event now.

[Anonymous No.12559876]

>>12559870
They're a bit special. Founded in NZ, moved registration to the US. Main pad was always in NZ.

[Anonymous No.12559877]

>>12559864
>>12559850
How do you expect P2P to work if SpaceX doesnt intend to launch to/from other countries?

[Anonymous No.12559878]

>>12559877
And you think this is the same as them packing up and moving shop to another country?

[Anonymous No.12559880]

>>12559878
When the fuck did I say that

[Anonymous No.12559881]

>>12559867
>Elon is a speaker at the State of the Union address
>Test Shot Starfish plays over the loudspeaker
>SpaceX ninjas appear out of nowhere and brutally murder every politician in the room
>Elon takes control of the US government
And who...are you... the proud lord said...that I must bow so low...

[Anonymous No.12559883]

>>12559877
Make all the pads US Space Force bases and the land officially (leased to) American soil like Air Force Bases.

[Anonymous No.12559884]

>>12559623
And?

[Anonymous No.12559886]

>>12559880
The entirety of this fucking chain of retardation started with "BUT ELON COULD JUST PACK UP AND LEAVE THE US".

[Anonymous No.12559889]

>>12559883
That would be, dare I say it, based

[Anonymous No.12559891]

>>12559869
FAA insists that the rocket is not safe enough for people or docking maneuvers in orbit

[Anonymous No.12559895]

>>12559886
Dont assume every anon is as retarded as OP

[Anonymous No.12559897]

>>12559895
Without per thread IDs, it's easy to assume.

[Anonymous No.12559898]

>>12559881
based

[Anonymous No.12559901]

>>12559886
Actually that was half way through the quotechain and if you think posturing like that is exactly how big corps negotiate with the Gov.

[Anonymous No.12559904]

>>12559895
Lel remember that dude that kept spamming “IMAGINE AN INCEL AT SPACEX THAT MET A CHINESE SPY?” That shit was hilarious.

[Anonymous No.12559905]

>>12559857
for FUCKS sake

land, air, or water?

[Anonymous No.12559906]

>>12559889
Its almost certainly what will happen anyway to get round ITAR shit and 'free' security. Also keep Daddy Government happy.

[Anonymous No.12559914]

>>12559906
It's s triple win for the Anerican hegemony

[Anonymous No.12559915]

>>12559905
answered my own question

[Anonymous No.12559916]

>>12559905
50 bucks saying eternal boating boomer

[Anonymous No.12559921]

>>12559915
>and bushes
I can't believe ULA snipers were BTFO by local PD

[Anonymous No.12559922]

>>12559881
>SpaceX ninjas clearing out congress/senate
Imagine with stainless steel katanas

[Anonymous No.12559928]

>>12559915
Dammit Bezos.

[Anonymous No.12559932]

With Starship, SpaceX has become a bigger military power than North Korea. Forget nukes, they can just pack them full of TNT and target nuclear power plants and have the same effect lmao. Will Elon become Emperor of Earth?

[Anonymous No.12559940]

>>12559932
I mean you can say that about literally every launch provider because to get a satellite into low orbit requires just slightly more dV than hitting a target halfway around the globe

[Anonymous No.12559942]

>>12559915
2 guys spotted kilometers away, abort !

[Anonymous No.12559943]

>>12559932
No, Mars.
Unless Earth stands in his way.

[Anonymous No.12559944]

>>12559765
>Vote on what I say, not what I do.
The Obama Admin made the same kind of bullshit platitudes about how their "Flexible Path" plan was going to get us back into space faster, cheaper, safer, etc.

In the end all it 'accomplished' was delaying the lunar program by a decade and re-appropriating two-thirds of NASA's research budget from planetary science and astrophysics to fucking gay ass earth science horseshit. If the DNC had its way 80% of NASA's budget would be spent studying climate change and the impact of racial justice in physics.

[Anonymous No.12559946]

>>12559932
If he sets up a sustainable Martian colony and he can actually produce ships and fuel on Mars then he genuinely would be a true great power as he would be practically untouchable given how fucking worthless every other space organisation is as he could launch anything he wanted at the earth and they couldn’t do shit to him.

[Anonymous No.12559956]

>>12559932
The old joke is that the US navy has the second biggest airforce after the USAF. We need specially designed aircraft to deploy straight from Starships so the Space Force has the third.

[Anonymous No.12559960]

>>12559946
Until a Mars colony can build Starships out of in situ ores and resources, the colony is not self sustaining

[Anonymous No.12559962]

>>12559946
>NASA has to design a new rover to land one mile from Elon's colony with the express purpose of getting a good look at it in two years when it finally rolls there an inch at a time
>tfw Elon personally comes outside to push it over

[Anonymous No.12559966]

>>12559956
>Navy has Marines
>Space Force has Space Marines

[Anonymous No.12559970]

>>12559946
Hus entourage would probably be glowing with the force of a thousand suns by that point and any wrong move would cost him being JFK'd

[Anonymous No.12559972]

>>12559940
Other launch providers aren't planning to mass-produce their rockets, though.

[Anonymous No.12559974]

>>12559956
>he old joke is that the US navy has the second biggest airforce after the USAF
Which isn't true obviously
>We need specially designed aircraft to deploy straight from Starships so the Space Force has the third.
kek we had this discussion earlier but about missiles and torpedos

[Anonymous No.12559975]

>>12559962
EMfw

[Anonymous No.12559979]

>>12559932
>mfw he becomes Emperor of Earth and oldspace and their cronies migrate to Mars to escape him
>mfw Mars becomes the Anti-Elon planet

[Anonymous No.12559982]

>>12559960
The entire point of the term self sustaining is that in theory a colony would be capable of looking after its own needs without ships coming in from other planets. Producing Starships is nice and all, but it's tangential to the actual meaning.

[Anonymous No.12559983]

>>12559979
>enemies of mankind sequester themselves on Mars
Quick how do you deorbit a planet so that it falls into the sun

[Anonymous No.12559986]

>>12559946
>Elon declares independent Martian state
>Fedgov not happy with that
>sends leased space force starships to quash the rebellion
>Send ze codes
>Space force starships all RUD en route because pajeets at the DoD missed the built in kill command

[Anonymous No.12559989]

>>12559974
>Which isn't true obviously
It is

[Anonymous No.12559993]

>>12559974
it is true, and like #4 is the coast guard or something like that

[Anonymous No.12559995]

>>12559989
It's not, it depends how autistic you want to be about categories of planes but on pure numbers Russia has several hundred more active duty aircraft than the navy.

[Anonymous No.12559998]

>>12559946
This. He would figuratively, and could literally, stand atop Mount Olympus with free reign to rain down whatever fate he so chose upon all of Earth.
>>12559974
>Which isn't true obviously
Anon...

[Anonymous No.12560000]

>>12559970
Yeah I had that feeling, but he would obviously be hand selecting the first crews heading there and something tells me his personal employees are more devoted to him than to some alphabet agency.

I’m sure any glowies would be identified long before he makes his first moves and by then they will have already “accidentally” put their suits on incorrectly when exiting the Habitats to flip the nasa spy rover back on it’s wheels after it mysteriously flipped over.

He is probably well aware of who might accompany him to Mars.

[Anonymous No.12560003]

>>12559998
It's so beautiful.

[Anonymous No.12560005]

>>12559993
The US Coast Guard operates like 200 aircraft anon

[Anonymous No.12560014]

>>12559960
All his other ventures are conductive to it
>solarcity
>tesla (of course Mars vehicles would be electric)
>boring company, to rapidly create habitats
>OpenAI to manage automated factories to increase Martian productivity even without a lot of humans

[Anonymous No.12560015]

>>12560005
#1 air force
#2 army
#3 navy

also navies, first is US navy second is US Air Force. twelfth is coast guard

[Anonymous No.12560017]

>>12559998
>>12560003
Terraforming Mars is dumb

>Cover half of the planet in useless oceans
>Most of the landmass is way too high in terms of elevation and will still be uninhabitable
>All you have is a small band of habitable land around the coastline

What a waste, this post brought to you by paraterraforming gang.

[Anonymous No.12560018]

>>12559974
>Which isn't true obviously
The US Navy operates 3700 aircraft (compared to the Air Force's 5000-something). Russia counts around 3900 in their active inventory, but there's a decent amount of speculation on how much of that fleet can actually fly. It really comes down to how much you believe Russia's reported numbers, but it's pretty close regardless.

[Anonymous No.12560019]

>>12560015
>twelfth is coast guard
what the actual fuck are other countries doing

[Anonymous No.12560020]

>>12560018
army is #2 if you include helicopters

[Anonymous No.12560024]

>>12560015
>also navies
>second is US Air Force
The Air Force has its own Navy?

[Anonymous No.12560025]

>>12560017
Oceans are a waste of real estate. Anyone who wants to live like they're on Earth can live in a colony well away from me. I want all those resources.

[Anonymous No.12560027]

>>12560017
Why not le both. You can have the poles.

[Anonymous No.12560030]

>>12560024
yeah. the marines have their own air force too, but the marines themselves are part of the Navy.
a single Ohio sub is the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal btw

[Anonymous No.12560031]

I like big boats

[Anonymous No.12560032]

>>12559962
>push it over
Nah, more like comes out to drop a rock in front of its wheels.

[Anonymous No.12560033]

>>12559986
This, it’s astounding how far ahead spacex somehow manages to be compared to everyone while organisations like nasa are being intentionally sabotaged by their own government.

He actually could turn his fleet of a thousand starships which he constantly talks about having in 10 years into weaponised doomsday weapons full of nukes or radioactive materials to pummel the earth.

[Anonymous No.12560035]

>>12559989
>>12559998
It plainly (no pun intended) isn't. It's still big as fuck by all means, but both Russia and China have bigger air forces than the USN. Both are still btfo out the USAF, USN and army combined of course. Not trying to shit on the navy but that meme is dead is all saying

[Anonymous No.12560036]

>>12560031
Can a space aircraft carrier work?

[Anonymous No.12560039]

>>12560024
It did back in the 50s. They did a surprising amount of work during the Korean War. I don't think he's correct about the Air Force having more vessels than the Navy now, though. The USN easily beats out every other branch (or country for that matter) in absolute tonnage, but may not in total number of ships/boats.

[Anonymous No.12560042]

>>12560031
this is disingenuous to those that don't know about boats.
There are 20 proper carriers in service, the US has 11 of those 20. The Italians and the Chinese have two each, everyone else has one or none

[Anonymous No.12560043]

>>12560014
All he needs now is a private security company to keep those fags at ULA away.

[Anonymous No.12560046]

>>12560036
Maybe? What about a land-aircraft-carrier?
>>12560042
I thought it was merely outdated, it is an old pic. Got a more accurate one anon?

[Anonymous No.12560047]

>>12559972
Rocket Lab is, and anyone who wants a reasonable launch cadence with an expendable rocket must by definition

[Anonymous No.12560053]

>>12559995
>on pure numbers
North Korea has lots of planes, doesn't mean they're either airworthy or combat capable. Same with China, and every other airforce that still uses MiG-21 derivatives.

[Anonymous No.12560060]

>>12559932
Nuclear reactor buildings are designed and built to take that kind of hit. The external power hardware, not so much, but getting to the reactors themselves is going to take a lot more than a single starship stuffed full of boom.

[Anonymous No.12560061]

>>12560046
>I thought it was merely outdated
It's got some ships that are currently planned or under construction (in the case of France and India), decommissioned (in the case of the US and Brazil), is missing the 2nd Chinese carrier, and lists Aussie carriers despite the fact that they have no plans to outfit them with aircraft. It's somehow both out of date and depicting the future.

[Anonymous No.12560066]

>>12560036
like starships launching and landing to and from an aircraft carrier? I don't see why not. They could hang them over the side to avoid pummeling the tarmac and if they unironically get the arm catch working they could pick them up on the side too.

[Anonymous No.12560068]

>>12560025
Oceans are vital parts of an ecosystem

[Anonymous No.12560074]

>>12560068
Not on Mars they aren't.

[Anonymous No.12560075]

>>12560066
Would we see a recreation of the early days of the USAF, where they got Congress to ban the Army from having fixed wing assets?
>US Space Force lobbies to be sole American operator of Starships, Navy and Airforce demand procurement priority

[Anonymous No.12560076]

How do you guys avoid becoming huge doomers from the world basically ending right now

[Anonymous No.12560078]

>>12560068
That's a tautology on Earth and meaningless on Mars. You don't need an ecosystem, you just light and the elemental building blocks of one to feed crops.

[Anonymous No.12560077]

>>12560074
It’s part of the cycle of life and the vitality of the world

[Anonymous No.12560079]

>>12560068
He isn’t interested in creating an ecosystem, he just wants to have access to the entire surface and the resources and land without having to worry about some fucking ocean getting in the way.

[Anonymous No.12560081]

>>12560068
so are plate tectonics, but they'll have to do without

[Anonymous No.12560082]

>>12560076
I went through that in March of 2020 and the world hasn't stopped ending, so I just assume we're in hell now and the whole decade will be like this.

[Anonymous No.12560083]

>>12560077
No cycle of life on mars

[Anonymous No.12560084]

>>12557717
I get it now. The windows (blue arrow) and the hatches that shut to protect the windows (red arrow).

[Anonymous No.12560085]

>>12560076
>muh world practically ending
It's not, so it's not that hard. I'll admit I have no idea what my stance would be without SpaceX, maybe I'd lean more doomer than I do. Not because the world would be ending, but because I wouldn't have the hope of being around to watch our expansion.

[Anonymous No.12560087]

>>12560000
I too hope for the better, but still self-sufficiency requires tens of thousands of people at the very least and no way he can personally screen them all. How would you do that anyways, look through years of their facebook and twitter posts to try and tell if they were faked? Their gov't issued papers are bound to be perfect and won't prove anything. Maybe not the people on the top, but it shouldn't be too hard to slip in a couple dozens of plants.

[Anonymous No.12560089]

>>12560076
I'm just in it to see if Musk can escape the Earth in time.

[Anonymous No.12560090]

>>12560076
Historical perspective goes a long way. Shit's pretty close to the easiest it's ever been, even in the midst of all this shit.

[Anonymous No.12560094]

>>12560083
We will create one

[Anonymous No.12560100]

>>12560094
Not on my watch

[Anonymous No.12560101]

>>12560036
Yes, don't question pic related, the science checks out

[Anonymous No.12560102]

>>12560061
Also Japan has two proper carriers now as well.

[Anonymous No.12560103]

>>12560079
If that’s so good why didn’t nature evolve factories and warehouses and smelters
Check and mate

[Anonymous No.12560107]

>>12560103
It did though

[Anonymous No.12560108]

>>12560101
I will always have a soft spot for Matsumoto.

[Anonymous No.12560109]

>>12560102
Aren't those just chopper-carriers or did the SDF get new bigger ones?

[Anonymous No.12560113]

>>12560100
Paraterraformfags out

[Anonymous No.12560116]

>>12560113
Fuck around and find out greenigger

[Anonymous No.12560119]

>>12560116
oops haha meant to hit the poles sorry about your colony

t. comet yeeter

[Anonymous No.12560124]

>>12560116
I like endless blue skies is all

[Anonymous No.12560125]

>>12560076

All SpaceX has to do is to hold on for another 5 years and then we may have passed through the great filter.

[Anonymous No.12560126]

>>12560087
Musk is an autist and if anybody knows what they are doing it would be him. If anything he probably would have every single person vetted and the original founders who he probably knew personally would become his base from which he would preference over anyone else.

[Anonymous No.12560132]

>>12560126
>keep sending kill-teams after Musk
>they keep swearing fealty to him after reaching Mars
Ave, ave.

[Anonymous No.12560133]

>>12560119
Comet/asteroid yeet is laughably easy to defend against if you don't assume the victim is blind and retarded while the yeeter is omnipotent and magical. You'd be caught in the act easily and intercepted before completing the maneuver, let alone the asteroid's course.

[Anonymous No.12560136]

>>12560119
Oops, sorry our radioisotope shipment burned up on reentry and the planet is dusted with alpha emitters now haha would suck if you tried to breathe outside a dome.

[Anonymous No.12560137]

>>12560126
he can't even vet his wives

[Anonymous No.12560144]

>>12560136
>>12560119
>>12560116
>>12560113
>No one has even set foot on Mars
>Violent schisms already forming

Based

[Anonymous No.12560147]

>>12560144
Travel to outer space! See new worlds! Kill people on them!

[Anonymous No.12560150]

>>12560144
The future is libertarian

[Anonymous No.12560151]

>>12560137
Like I said, he is an autist.

[Anonymous No.12560152]

>>12560109
They can carry F-35Bs

[Anonymous No.12560155]

>>12560152
So it is a real carrier, doesn't even need a ramp.
Fuckin' nice.

[Anonymous No.12560159]

>>12560155
Yeah they built "helicopter carriers" the size and tonnage of a real fixed wing carrier but just renamed them so murika wouldn't cry about muh article 9.

[Anonymous No.12560160]

>>12560155
It doesn't need a ramp because F35B is STOVL, otherwise it would be a heli carrier.

[Anonymous No.12560163]

>>12560152
>>12560155
How did Japan become so based? 76 years ago they were shoving bayonets up our soldiers’ asses and now they’re out best friends. Funny how time flies.

[Anonymous No.12560164]

>>12560152
>this is a destroyer
yeah okay and the Myokos were 10,000 tons right?

[Anonymous No.12560166]

>>12560019
not killing niggers for oil

[Anonymous No.12560170]

>>12560163
Abe was based

[Anonymous No.12560171]

>>12560159
But then murika sold them F35b's like they didn't know what was going on. It's almost like none of it means anything, wow

[Anonymous No.12560173]

>>12560164
>>this is a destroyer
That is not a destroyer.
>>12560163
I can only conclude that the reason America still has enemies is because we stopped nuking people. Nuke the enemy into friendship then they'll make VCRs for you.

[Anonymous No.12560175]

>>12560163
Japan was based when Abe was running shit, check out the new guy. Absolutely pozzed faglord who wants to fill Japan up with niggers.

[Anonymous No.12560176]

>>12560163
Isn't it basically because we installed MacArthur to vassalize the shit out of them?

[Anonymous No.12560179]

>>12560173
>I can only conclude that the reason America still has enemies is because we stopped nuking people
You did that one (twice), wonder what would happen now though

[Anonymous No.12560182]

>>12560175
Ah I can’t wait for all the DUDE JAPAN fags to freak out in four or so years lol

[Anonymous No.12560184]

>>12560182
I would be sad if they go down the same dark path as the rest of the major nations. I don't want that future for them.

[Anonymous No.12560186]

>>12560184
As long as it happens to China, I’ll be happy

[Anonymous No.12560189]

>>12560175
>>12560182
Kek no one like niggers less than east asians. Any Japanese talk about more immigration refers only whites

[Anonymous No.12560192]

>>12560186
Oh sure China can sink into the sea for all I care, Japan I'd like to stick around though. JAXAbros are coming with us to space.

[Anonymous No.12560193]

>>12560184
Japan is dead. Long live neo-Japan, formerly Mars real estate leased by JAXA, now declared independent principality.

[Anonymous No.12560194]

/sfg/ suddenly transformed into /k/ and /pol/...

[Anonymous No.12560195]

>>12560189
>Any Japanese talk about more immigration refers only whites

Look at what they are talking about over there and take a reality check my man.

[Anonymous No.12560196]

>>12560194
>suddenly

[Anonymous No.12560198]

>>12560194
I've been noticing that too. dumb burgers and their election.
this is a spaceflight thread idiots

>>12560196
fuck off

[Anonymous No.12560199]

>>12560194
It is human nature to desire freedom. If anything these lockdowns showed everyone that people would rather risk their lives being human than stay safe as a bugman.

[Anonymous No.12560200]

>>12560189
We both know they won’t be getting whites and I’m sure even they know that.

More like they will be flooded by absolute bottom tier Asians such as poos, pakis, and island chinks.

[Anonymous No.12560201]

>>12560198
What country are you from Boyo?

[Anonymous No.12560205]

>>12560194
>>12560198
Spaceflight is inherently political, but yea political discussion here should be directly relevant to spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.12560206]

>>12560198
No u

[Anonymous No.12560210]

>>12559829
I couldn't resist

[Anonymous No.12560212]

>>12560198
Reminder that spaceflight is the last implicit stand of white identity. I've been here since before this general even existed and there has always been a low-medium level of /pol/ activity. Go back.

[Anonymous No.12560213]

>>12559522
.1g is more than a suggestion of gravity anon, that's similar to gravity on the moon.

[Anonymous No.12560214]

>>12560201
the US. and I fuckinhg hate sfg recently.

like this post: >>12560200
it serves no purpose and should result in a ban. If that sort of moderation was present I'd be thrilled.

[Anonymous No.12560218]

>>12560198
Politics has a massive amount of influence when it comes to the space industry and the future of the industry depends entirely on who is running the show politically.

As for weapons, well you can’t be surprised at anyone for being interested in the military applications of spacecraft especially things like starship.

[Anonymous No.12560219]

>>12560214
>He wants more Jannies
Also goddamn fucking Americans and their self hatred.

[Anonymous No.12560221]

>>12560173
>>this is a destroyer
>That is not a destroyer.
They designate it as a destroyer to get around Article 9

[Anonymous No.12560222]

>>12560214
Try reddit where you can downvote posts you don't like and get them automatically hidden. Sounds more like what you're looking for

[Anonymous No.12560227]

>>12560221
Oh.
Alright that is a 'Destroyer' then.

[Anonymous No.12560229]

>>12560214
>More moderation

Hello friend, I have a suggestion for a site with high level of moderation that should be right up your alley! Come join us at Reddit.com

[Anonymous No.12560234]

>>12560017
fucking retard, the high elevation land wouldn't be uninhabitable, fuck parateraformers, they should get launched into the sun, and the good news is elon musk and spacex don't give a rats ass about paraterraformer faggots

[Anonymous No.12560235]

>>12560194
>>12560200
No shit but I meant the actual people, ask them if they're cool with immigration and they'll say ''oh yeah I'm fine with it''. But show them a nog and they run away. Just look at how Africans get subjugated in China, even there they're the bottom of the barrel

[Anonymous No.12560241]

>>12560234
>The high elevation land would be uninhabitable

Yeah you're right it's only like 7-10km above sea level, should be fine, nice thick atmosphere up there.

[Anonymous No.12560242]

>>12560210
:)

[Anonymous No.12560244]

>>12560214
I have a site for you
https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/

[Anonymous No.12560247]

>>12560210
photoshop anon, you are appreciated. pls consider shooping some zubrin pics. he is sadly underappreciated in sfg

[Anonymous No.12560248]

>>12560235

[Anonymous No.12560249]

>>12560241
Except it isn't, with the exception of the region around tharsis most of mars is below 3000 meters in elevation

[Anonymous No.12560250]

>>12560244
There’s a huge overlap between r/SpaceXMasterrace posters and SFGfags.

[Anonymous No.12560251]

>>12560234
Terraforming will never happen. It doesn't matter if Elon wants it to happen, he will run into the physical problems and impracticalities and be forced to abandon it just like carbon fiber and sweaty starships because he listens to reason.

[Anonymous No.12560257]

>>12560251
The difference between abandoning carbon fire starships and heat tile sweating is that while those are a means to an end, terraforming mars is an end in it of itself to Elon and SpaceX. So you're wrong, fag. If I ever see any paraterraformer fags I will personally throw them out the airlock.

[Anonymous No.12560260]

>>12560257
Terraforming is retarded and takes too long. We must have colonies in the asteroid belt

[Anonymous No.12560262]

>>12560247
Thanks. What do you want shopped? I can do it.

[Anonymous No.12560269]

>>12560262
Can you shop a Starship with a blue shiny color and the USAF logo on it?

[Anonymous No.12560277]

>>12560249
Take away Tharsis, everything blue, everything green, everything yellow and everything dark orange/light red. That's your living area. Not a whole fucking lot.

[Anonymous No.12560278]

>>12560257
The end is making Mars a sustainable refuge for humanity and staging post to the rest of the solar system. It doesn't matter how you get there, and terraforming isn't on that list because it doesn't work. SpaceX could die on that hill for all I care, all that will mean is SpaceX makes the bridgehead while someone with a more practical and efficient plan will take over from there using the same first principles approach that SpaceX used to get there.

[Anonymous No.12560281]

>>12560250
Like I posted yesterday, there is a worrying amount of reddit spacing in this general, more so than in others I frequent

[Anonymous No.12560285]

>>12560235
It doesn’t matter if they don’t like them if the government keeps letting them in.

If Europeans were given votes on bringing in nogs then it would have been an overwhelming no, but they never give a choice on things like that and the japs won’t get a choice either.

[Anonymous No.12560286]

>>12559848
>SpaceX just bought land in Indonesia
new ground station maybe

[Anonymous No.12560289]

>>12560241
You really think in 300 years we'll still be primitive enough to not be able to make an atmosphere to any thiccness we like? lmao

[Anonymous No.12560292]

>>12560250
If anyone here uses plebbit, go back there and stay there faggot.
>>12560281
I miss the times when nobody would ever admit to going there, for fear of just and well-earned mockery.

[Anonymous No.12560296]

>>12560250
Well yes, the "masterrace" epithet filters out pozzed average redditor.

[Anonymous No.12560297]

>>12560281
Reddit spacing isn’t a thing. Those that think it is are idiots.
Fucking hell

[Anonymous No.12560298]

where are my terraformer bros at
>>12560277
Dark orange is still below 4 kilometers retard
>>12560278
it is possible
>>12560260
fuck off cylinder fag

[Anonymous No.12560303]

>>12560292
I use Reddit. So does the majority of this general I’d imagine. Is that a problem?

[Anonymous No.12560304]

>>12560281
It’s because SFG is a relatively tame general so Redditors flock here en masse.

>>12560292
This

[Anonymous No.12560307]

>>12560277
There's 2-3 km difference between blue and light green. You really think the ocean will be so deep? There's only enough water on Mars for a like 200m deep ocean in the north.

[Anonymous No.12560311]

>>12560303
go back

[Anonymous No.12560313]

>>12560297
Why yes, I am ignorant of how r*ddit operates. Takes on to know one, fag

[Anonymous No.12560314]

>>12560311
Why?

[Anonymous No.12560318]

>>12560298
I’m not a cylinder fag you retard I just want colonies in the belt

[Anonymous No.12560320]

>>12560303
>I use Reddit
Imagine admitting this. How fucking embarrassing.
Leave now and pretend that didn't just happen.

[Anonymous No.12560324]

>>12560298
>Below 4 Kilometers

If you count living in the Andes as "habitable". Regardless, terraforming is clearly knocking off at least 3/4 of the available land. So you will go from a whole planet of land to a total of maybe the size of North America.

>>12560307
The shallower your ocean is then the more highland you lose due to impossibly thin atmosphere. Bringing it to the 0m mark is about the best trade you can get for habitable land area.

[Anonymous No.12560326]

>>12560303
I only read reddit, no account. The site is getting further to the left and the company is openly hostile to white people. I keep waiting for the space community to leave the site so I never have to go back.

[Anonymous No.12560328]

>>12560326
Do you think those stragglers are going to get pushed out and find their way here?

[Anonymous No.12560329]

>>12560313
Ok here are the Redditors in this thread I guess?

>>12557499
>>12557524
>>12557573
>>12557702
>>12558179
>>12558332
>>12558354
>>12558390
>>12558392
>>12558422
>>12558462
>>12558601
>>12558657
>>12558772
>>12558784
>>12558837
>>12558876
>>12558998
>>12559134
>>12559145
>>12559200
>>12559465
>>12559608
>>12559683
>>12559721
>>12559737
>>12559786
>>12559790
>>12559792
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>>12559944
>>12560000
>>12560144

[Anonymous No.12560331]

>>12560210
lmao

[Anonymous No.12560332]

>>12560329
all me

[Anonymous No.12560334]

>>12560304
Nice Reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.12560335]

>>12560329
You forget one

>>12560329

[Anonymous No.12560337]

>>12560324
>If you count living in the Andes as "habitable". Regardless, terraforming is clearly knocking off at least 3/4 of the available land. So you will go from a whole planet of land to a total of maybe the size of North America.
4 kilometers is roughly 12000 feet, there are plenty of communities at such elevations in nepal and tibet and the people in those regions do fine - and most of mars is still below 4000 meters. Plus you have fags have the moon and mercury to turn into forge worlds. I don't understand why that isn't enough for you.

[Anonymous No.12560338]

>>12560307
If you didn't bring in ice comets and only had a very shallow ocean to cover the blue, then the only habitable area would be green/yellow. Way, way less than a proper ocean up to mean elevation. The verticality of Mars makes terraforming a real bitch.

[Anonymous No.12560339]

>>12560298
>it is possible
It's in the same realm of "possibility" as making a Dyson swarm. Which if anything is unfair to the swarm because at least that makes power. A terraformed planet contributes nothing that an industrialized planet doesn't do better aside from maybe "tourism".

[Anonymous No.12560340]

>>12560335
Nice Reddit spacing u dum Redditor, you’ve been exposed

[Anonymous No.12560343]

>>12560340
He really got to you huh

bottom text

[Anonymous No.12560344]

>>12560339
I get it, you just want everywhere in the universe to be industrial wastelands

[Anonymous No.12560347]

>>12560337
Venus is retarded, Mercury's dV cost is too high, the Moon has limited resources. If you try to monopolize Martian resources, you will be run over by killdozers. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.12560348]

>>12560303
Anon, I hate to tell ya this, but you got to go back.

[Anonymous No.12560349]

>>12560344
Not that guy, dead planets are already wastelands and can remain so with hugely productive industrial facilities on top. Humans will live in giant areas of domed off greenery.

[Anonymous No.12560350]

>>12560329
I don’t use r*ddit, but I appear to be on here.

[Anonymous No.12560351]

>>12560262
anything in my modest zubrin collection please. i dont care what it is, i prefer to leave the art to the artist
https://mega.nz/folder/nEpXFK7J#KU5NgFvlK5hg1nXHzjhGKw

[Anonymous No.12560352]

>>12560347
>mercury's dV cost is too high
its not like you care about any sort of environmental shite, just use orion drives
>the moon has limited resources
we've barely scratched the moon

[Anonymous No.12560357]

>>12560349
i will bomb your greenery domes, p*raterraformer

[Anonymous No.12560358]

>>12560076
Even the reptilians know they have to keep the lights on and the food chain intact no matter what, and that's all Spacex needs. If those two things went out then the world really would be ending.

[Anonymous No.12560359]

>>12560357
Well that's where you are going to be living for several hundred years so have fun dying.

[Anonymous No.12560360]

>>12560344
I get the impression you still don't understand the scale or ridiculous wastefulness involved in terraforming, or what a planet even is. You could support more and more diverse and interesting life through industrialization than you ever could on a terraformed planet using far less space and resources to do so.

[Anonymous No.12560362]

>>12560076
I’m more proud of my country than anything else to be honest. Millions of Americans are still based. One of them is Elon.

[Anonymous No.12560364]

>>12560360
cities continue to be shitholes whether they create large enclosed greenery spaces or not (see singapore)
>>12560359
good thing SpaceX actually wants to terraform mars unlike you

[Anonymous No.12560367]

>>12560351
....any other Zubrinposters wanna share their rare Zubrins with the class?

[Anonymous No.12560369]

>>12560017
>fish farms are useless
t. fish farmer :^)

[Anonymous No.12560370]

>>12560364
SpaceX also thinks you can drop some nukes on the poles and make an atmosphere so their opinion is not valid.

[Anonymous No.12560372]

>>12560370
I think you're kind of stupid anon.

[Anonymous No.12560374]

>>12560370
SpaceX does not think that nuking the poles of mars would be enough to create a substantial atmosphere

[Anonymous No.12560376]

Boeing will terraform mars long before spacex

[Anonymous No.12560377]

>>12560364
I don't think SpaceX has any official position on terraforming, just Musk

[Anonymous No.12560379]

>>12560376
>Boeing NotStarship arrives on Mars
>nosedives when trying to land due to pajeet code

[Anonymous No.12560381]

>>12560328
Nah it attracts the more traditional forum types who hate the format of regular forums. They'd end up on NSF forums or somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.12560384]

>>12560369
If you want a fish farm, build a fish farm. If you want to farm the ocean then you are going to need to wait minimum hundreds of years after its stabilised for reefs to grow and populations to have expanded sufficiently to withstand boats scooping up megatonnes of fish.

[Anonymous No.12560385]

>>12560324
You forget that Mars has a lower gravity. The hypothetically same atmosphere as Earth wont hug the planet as tightly as on Earth. An elevation of 4km is not equivalent to the Andes.

[Anonymous No.12560394]

Posts that get a lot of (you)s on NSF get deleted or moved. Posts that get a lot of upvotes are the only ones people read. It's kinda based, wish we had that policy

[Anonymous No.12560397]

>>12560376
Making a crater doesn't count as terraforming.

[Anonymous No.12560399]

>>12560377
they do mention terraforming in their website
https://www.spacex.com/human-spaceflight/mars/index.html

[Anonymous No.12560401]

>>12560076
>america is the world
Get fucked amerilards

[Anonymous No.12560402]

>>12560376
ex-CEO

[Anonymous No.12560406]

>>12560125
>the cringe filter
lmao you actually believe in that shit? AAHAHAHAA

[Anonymous No.12560407]

>>12560399
jesus how are they gonna test landing on mars

[Anonymous No.12560413]

>>12560384
t. decades out of knowledge of fish farming

[Anonymous No.12560415]

>>12560401
literally made 4 times my income in a single year, got fit af, canceled cable, deleted facebook, bought some new boots. life is fucking amazing

[Anonymous No.12560418]

>>12560407
they'll just make a testing planet you dummy

[Anonymous No.12560422]

The great filter is social justice. I am not even trolling. They'll give AI civil rights and let it on the internet, which will promptly continue to paperclip out of existence.

[Anonymous No.12560423]

>>12560418
oh of course, duh

[Anonymous No.12560425]

>>12560377
Elon IS SpaceX

[Anonymous No.12560427]

>>12560418
classic oldspace thinking, i love it

[Anonymous No.12560428]

>>12560269
Hopefully this is what you were picturing

[Anonymous No.12560432]

>>12560351
>mega
>Zubrin collection
weird

[Anonymous No.12560435]

>>12560364
>cities continue to be shitholes
Which is not an argument. What, you think terraforming will allow you to live on a frontier cottage? You stupid nigger. After thousands of years and an entire solar system's worth of investment that it would take to actually perform terraforming, you would be left with the most overcrowded land imaginable. It would not even be capable of supplying itself, the whole coastal strip would be some kind of monstrous megacity relying on colonial greenhouses.
>whether they create large enclosed greenery spaces or not
City greenspaces have nothing in common with what can or will be done on Mars and in space.

[Anonymous No.12560436]

>>12560418
>over-budget by 5x the GDP of the human species, schedule slipped by over six centuries, all Boing has is half an orange moon
>tfw they have to demo it because of a design flaw missed two centuries ago that can't be reversed
Tales from Planet SLS

[Anonymous No.12560438]

Will Elon have to go to alt media because of his spicy takes?

[Anonymous No.12560442]

>>12560435
>you would be left with the most overcrowded land imaginable. It would not even be capable of supplying itself, the whole coastal strip would be some kind of monstrous megacity relying on colonial greenhouses.
good thing living outside the coastal strip would be possible nigger

[Anonymous No.12560444]

>>12560442
Ok Sherpa

[Anonymous No.12560447]

>>12560269
Hopefully this is what you were picturing

[Anonymous No.12560456]

>>12560447
Thanks brother.

[Anonymous No.12560457]

>>12560436
SPS

Senate Planet System

[Anonymous No.12560459]

>>12560444
we already went over this you senile paranigger

[Anonymous No.12560460]

>>12560457
>inb4 Shelby demands at least one continent be manufactured in Alabama, creating REAL AMERICAN JOBS

[Anonymous No.12560461]

How are they going to do the starship legs?

Hop when?

[Anonymous No.12560466]

>>12560461
Dunno
Probably Monday

[Anonymous No.12560468]

>>12560459
Wasn't me but more importantly your retort to that argument was literally "but sherpas exist" so how am I even wrong?

[Anonymous No.12560469]

>>12560461
Something about them extending further up the sides.

[Anonymous No.12560471]

>>12560461
They’re keeping the current ones for now. NET Sunday

[Anonymous No.12560475]

/sfg/ brainstorms starship legs.
Remember:
Best part is no part;
It has to land on unprepared terrain.
Go go go elon needs you!

[Anonymous No.12560477]

>>12560475
no legs. no launch tower either

[Anonymous No.12560483]

>>12560076
People live through far worse. Plus our societies ARE obscenely wasteful. I don't want to end up with North Korean levels of wealth because I've worked hard and have plenty to lose but I've thought our economies were living on borrowed time since 2008. Everything on credit with all our industry outsourced to cheaper countries - it can only last so long. I'm just upset I can't sit it out in a comfy village in Central Asia for 5 years or whatever

[Anonymous No.12560496]

>>12560475
Land it on its belly. The engineers can figure out the specifics.

[Anonymous No.12560497]

>>12560475
I already think the plans for superheavy are going too far and taking the axiom too literally. Starship's legs should just be big foldouts with a wide stance and a lot of terrain adjustability. Being robust and capable of landing anywhere will be huge.

[Anonymous No.12560499]

>>12560475
What if the legs were part of the skirt? Very long legs that go from the bottom of the lower tank to the end of the skirt. They fold/retract in half or more but unfolding is easy because they can open to the sides (since they are part of the skirt and not inside it).

[Anonymous No.12560500]

>>12560475
Giant BOOBA airbags.

[Anonymous No.12560502]

>>12560496
kek

[Anonymous No.12560504]

>>12560499
Someone on NSF posted a concept that was two half circle haped legs the same size as cylinder that would fold out with the tip of the U shape attached to the base. I was quite taken with the design desu.

[Anonymous No.12560506]

>>12560500
Based

[Anonymous No.12560507]

>>12560500
NASA tried but didn't work out so well.

[Anonymous No.12560515]

>>12560507
Yeah but NASA can't do anything right.

[Anonymous No.12560517]

>>12560504
Not sure I understand but I think I thought of something similar. I think the joints would be weak.

[Anonymous No.12560520]

>>12560515
Don't be rude, NASA is nice.

[Anonymous No.12560526]

>>12560475
Put a serrated edge on the skirt and use RCS thrusters to drill itself into the ground as its landing. Call it 'Sawship'

[Anonymous No.12560527]

>>12560468
my retort was that most of the planet still wasn't that high and even in the small areas that are that high up they could be settled

[Anonymous No.12560528]

>>12560520
Give one(1) good reason not to be rude to NASA that doesn't rely on goodwill from the era before von Braun was stuffed in a closet for wrongthink by Nixon and the swamp.

[Anonymous No.12560529]

>>12560526
Like a goddamn Quintesson ship, just burrowing into the ground on landing.

[Anonymous No.12560530]

>>12560527
>my retort was that most of the planet still wasn't that high
ie the milder parts on the coast where your thousand year endeavor requiring the same industrial infrastructure you complain about working overdrive for a singular cause results in megacity levels of pricing, corruption, and population density
>even in the small areas that are that high up they could be settled
and I said ok, sherpa

[Anonymous No.12560532]

>want some more uplifting space news
>follow Zubrin on twitter
>timeline immediately gets raped by tons of garbage takes on the POTUS, and non stop book shilling
>delete twitter and regret ever making an account
Why the fuck can’t we have nice things? Why were the 90’s/00’s way more peaceful without everyone feeling the need to shove their political opinions down your throat?

[Anonymous No.12560537]

What's up with this shit. Why can't these mexicans build the parts in sequential order reeeeeeee.

[Anonymous No.12560540]

>>12560530
How many times do I have to reiterate to your dumbass that MOST OF THE PLANET is not that high, not just the coastal areas.

[Anonymous No.12560542]

>>12560496
>crushes own tiles

[Anonymous No.12560543]

>>12560537
What’s taking super heavy so long AAAAAAAAH

[Anonymous No.12560545]

>>12560532
Social media was a mistake, it tricked everyone into thinking the world cares about their opinions.

[Anonymous No.12560546]

>>12560540
>Most of the planet

Can you read a map anon? It's maybe a third, and that third is interspersed with shitload of high spots.

[Anonymous No.12560547]

>>12560543
Probably waiting for the thrust puck to be manufactured. The most complex part on the booster.

[Anonymous No.12560548]

elon needs to accelerate, it's time to leave this gay earth

[Anonymous No.12560549]

>>12560543
It is quite long afterall

[Anonymous No.12560553]

>>12560532
Smartphones should be proscribed technology and the internet should be reduced to a series of unmoderated anonymous/smei-anonymous forums and image boards.

[Anonymous No.12560556]

>>12560540
The north hemisphere would be an ocean, the south mostly a mountain range about the height of the Andes alongside the Tharsis region being "you win goyim do the bubbles" tier and a couple of large seas. The "habitable" region (I very much doubt you would ever achieve anything like Earth-like habitability on a terraformed planet) would be a thin strip around the ocean and smaller seas. And you seriously refuse to stop to think at all about the scale of the endeavor. The solar system, by necessity, would support untold masses long before Mars could be terraformed. It would be swamped.

[Anonymous No.12560557]

>>12560547
Yes, it's going to take some time to engineer that piece of shit to not spontaneously N-1 the fuck out of it.

[Anonymous No.12560561]

Earth internet and Mars internet should not be connected

[Anonymous No.12560562]

>>12560557
>>12560547
Counterpoint: if SH1 is just supposed to do a low altitude hop on two Raptors, you can use a standard Starship thrust puck

[Anonymous No.12560564]

>>12560537
>4 Starships are complete or within a month of being done
Wtf this is crazy. Also it looks like BN1 is finally coming together. I can’t believe BN1 is farther along that some Starships

[Anonymous No.12560565]

What if the giga-rocket to mars was built in orbit? Just fly the parts up there and assemble , then you can make it arbitrarily large

[Anonymous No.12560570]

>>12560562
Yes, well. They do want the general structure engineered and ready to slot in before they start doing the lifting. Launching a fucking booster is everyday shit for them. It's going to do exactly what the F9 first stage does all day almost every day, only it's bigger.
The critical difference here is the amount of engines and therefore the complexity of both the plumbing and the puck.

[Anonymous No.12560585]

>>12560532
I use twitter exclusively to follow porn artists and Elon Musk

[Anonymous No.12560593]

>>12560561
16 minutes lag on good days. won't be a problem.

[Anonymous No.12560596]

>>12560532
Because brainlets didn't have an outlet back then, except family gatherings. And because brainlettery has become so widespread it even influenced non-brainlets like the Zub.

[Anonymous No.12560598]

>>12560593
I don't think you understood the intent of his post.

[Anonymous No.12560599]

>>12560585
based

[Anonymous No.12560602]

>>12560593
>shitpost in random thread
>stand up, go take your morning shit, make some coffee instant type 2, spend a few minutes staring out over the red sands of Mars. Return to your desk to collect your duties-free (you)s
Sounds comfy

[Anonymous No.12560603]

>>12560593
People don't appreciate how fucking annoying it will be to communicate across planets. No one will need to prescribe insularity, it will occur naturally because 20+ minutes of light lag is not something people used to instant gratification are going to be able to accept, at least not nearly to the same degree.

[Anonymous No.12560605]

>>12560602
>rare
>RARE HOLY SHIT
>RARE FLAG
>RARE
>kys marsnigger

kek

[Anonymous No.12560607]

>>12560598
that earth internet is shit? 16 minutes delay makes communication very inconvenient, only forums and email would work. plus people wouldn't get into the internet fight mental trance.

[Anonymous No.12560608]

>>12560585
Lol that's basically me.
I have 1 Twitter where I follow like 5 space people (including Musk) and my other account for porn.
(Same as Reddit)

[Anonymous No.12560609]

>>12560605
>Hey /b/ this is my first post from Mars lol, ama
>'sharpie in pooper, post timestamp'

[Anonymous No.12560611]

>>12560603
You can bet it will be expensive too.
>>12560602
lol

[Anonymous No.12560612]

>>12560376
aged poorly. the flat earther with the steam powered rocket has made more progress towards space flight in the last 4 years than boeing and he fucking died

[Anonymous No.12560614]

>>12560603
pah, people will get used to it. they got used to instant communication going from snailmail, going a few minutes in the other direction will be no effort

[Anonymous No.12560616]

>>12560605
RARE FLAG

[Anonymous No.12560617]

>>12560612
>the flat earther with the steam powered rocket

Was funny, but pretty low energy desu. Reckon with a bit of time and cash I could put together a solid booster in my garage and make the karmen line.

[Anonymous No.12560625]

>>12560607
BS, Twatter and FB would also still work.

[Anonymous No.12560626]

>>12560614
People can make do with anything if there's no alternative. There IS an alternative, communicating largely within a sub-minute sphere, which is what will happen over time.

[Anonymous No.12560628]

>>12560616
wrong flag

[Anonymous No.12560630]

>>12560475
Just use smaller wider-spread versions of the ITS legs like moonship, each leg is essentially a spring loaded piston on a hinge actuated by an electric motor. Some kind of unpowered mechanical latch keeps them tucked in so long as the hinge is in the "closed" position. When the legs are actuated out to the "open" position the latch disengages and the leg springs out to full extension.
The legs being spring loaded allows for them to automatically compensate for the ship's weight on uneven terrain and take up loading unevenly.

[Anonymous No.12560641]

>>12560628
Man neat flag but the Mars symbol looks gay. Why not just be a circle instead? Looks like Austin Powers was here

[Anonymous No.12560646]

>>12560641
YEAH BABY
YEAH

[Anonymous No.12560647]

>>12560625
shitter would work to broadcast messages, not to get into epic internet fights.
mombook would work like it did in 2007.

[Anonymous No.12560648]

>>12560641

[Anonymous No.12560651]

Electron and Vega currently have identical launch records.
>17 launches
>15 successes
>2 failures

[Anonymous No.12560653]

>>12560648
>Funded by Peter Thiel

[Anonymous No.12560662]

>>12560651
Man, Vega really sucks now. The damn thing flies once or twice a year and it has a shit record.

[Anonymous No.12560664]

>>12560585
>>12560608
they're going after fake accounts now so we'll probably get deleted soon, everyone will have to give up personal data to confirm account

[Anonymous No.12560675]

>>12560653
S N A P
C I T Y
B A B Y

[Anonymous No.12560676]

>>12560616
>>12560628
>>12560648
Terrible.

[Anonymous No.12560677]

>>12560664
>fake

[Anonymous No.12560678]

>>12560676
What do you want, a red flag with a picture of Mars on it? Design one and show us anon.

[Anonymous No.12560684]

>>12560653
Why is this so funny. I am laughing hysterically.

[Anonymous No.12560685]

>>12560677
Google plus is gone

[Anonymous No.12560688]

>>12560678
Not that guy and not a designer but I would at least use Martian colors, like rust red and the pale blue of Martian sunset. And I know it's the Mars symbol but everyone thinks "male" before Mars, it's awkward.

[Anonymous No.12560691]

>>12560678
I don't know what I want. But I know what I don't want.
I'll let you know when I see a nice design.

Although, frankly, I think that we shouldn't be designing them at all. I think settlers should design it. A unique culture will develop once we get some permanent presence on other celestial bodies. Those people should design it.

[Anonymous No.12560692]

>>12560678
Mars Aeternum

[Anonymous No.12560693]

>>12560678
I don't ask for much, just the absolute top tier of highest kino flags and these don't cut it.

[Anonymous No.12560696]

>>12560685
A pseudonymous account is not "fake". It used to be the norm.

[Anonymous No.12560697]

>>12560696
Why do you even care about social media you normie?

[Anonymous No.12560698]

>>12560691
>I think settlers should design it
I can certainly agree to that, any flag assigned to them is likely to be modified or outright abandoned after some time I'd reckon.

[Anonymous No.12560699]

>>12560696
Yeah well now everyone wants you to put your name and place of work and home address on your profile so that when you perform wrongthink you can be fired, cancelled, and hung at the stake. Again- social media and smartphones were a mistake and should be forbid on other colonies save for anonymous or pseudonymous forums and boards

[Anonymous No.12560701]

>>12560678
OH NO MARSBROS WE GOT TOO CO-

[Anonymous No.12560702]

>>12560698
Which is why, for now, any "flag" would simply be a mission patch or similar.
It doesn't matter, we're not there yet.

[Anonymous No.12560703]

>>12560678
Also not him but here's mine.

[Anonymous No.12560708]

>>12560703
Looks Belkan to me anon

[Anonymous No.12560719]

Shit graphic design ITT

[Anonymous No.12560722]

>>12560688
Getting fancy with flag colors is a bad idea

[Anonymous No.12560728]

>>12560703
>three subtly different shades of reddish-brown right next to each other

[Anonymous No.12560730]

[Anonymous No.12560731]

Mars' flag should be a jolly roger.

[Anonymous No.12560737]

>>12560731
Put the regular guy in a spacesuit next to the skelebro

[Anonymous No.12560739]

>>12560731
>Giving quarter to E*rthers

[Anonymous No.12560741]

>>12560719
Do better then

[Anonymous No.12560743]

i found this funny ancient hindu symbol we could use for a mars flag. it means peace i think. we could put it against a red background. the red symbolizes mars

[Anonymous No.12560748]

>>12560743
>black on red
shit design anon, better to outline it in something light-colored. A white circle maybe?

[Anonymous No.12560749]

>>12560743
Sounds cool, maybe reverse it so we don't annoy the hindus by stealing their symbolism.

[Anonymous No.12560750]

>>12560076
I just accept the possibility of death.

[Anonymous No.12560751]

>>12560743
Kek I was literally just about to post this

[Anonymous No.12560753]

>>12560076
By not being a historically illiterate retard who let the MSM convince them that the world is ending when it actually isn't.

[Anonymous No.12560755]

>>12560176
Pretty much. They basically worshipped him like a god.

[Anonymous No.12560761]

>>12560159
>>12560171
America supports Japan in amending their constitution to allow them to re-militarize.
They're our friends now.

Both nations don't want to make it into a big deal though because it's very political. America wants Japan's help in dealing with the Chinks.

[Anonymous No.12560762]

>>12560755
unexplainably based

[Anonymous No.12560763]

>>12560761
This, Japan is our biggest aircraft carrier.

[Anonymous No.12560767]

>>12560475
Just land on the engine bells. Works in KSP.

[Anonymous No.12560773]

>>12560763
>>12560761
Imagine telling MacArthur and Hirohito that our countries would depend on each other to fight the Chinese menace

[Anonymous No.12560778]

>>12560773
I think they could both buy it, Japs already absolutely hated the fuck out of Chinese and both countries happily committed war crimes against one-another because they both explicitly believed the other to be subhuman.

[Anonymous No.12560781]

>>12560773
Imagine telling Leatherface.

[Anonymous No.12560788]

>>12560773
MacArthur pushed to use nukes on Chinese formations in Korea, so I doubt he would mind.

[Anonymous No.12560791]

>>12560773
>MacArthur
MacArthur would be FUCKING PISSED that we didn't do anything to stop the chicoms when it was easy as cake but he'd simultaneously have the biggest "told ya so" moment in history.

[Anonymous No.12560797]

>>12560767
Tried and tested

[Anonymous No.12560807]

>>12560701
that the ching space FPS?

[Anonymous No.12560814]

>>12560807
No it’s Infinite Warfare. It’s a great game and I’ll shill it endlessly because it’s horribly underrated

[Anonymous No.12560824]

>>12560814
Amen

[Anonymous No.12560838]

>>12560814
nah it's shit

[Anonymous No.12560845]

>>12560838
We're talking about IW campaign here, which is the best one since black ops 2

[Anonymous No.12560861]

>>12560797
Kek, good thing it used a different engine to take off. Could you even fly on a bell bent this badly?

[Anonymous No.12560870]

>>12560797
*cromple*

[Anonymous No.12560877]

So let's say you want to terraform mars. Most of the proposals such as lenses, mirrors, ice asteroid redirections, titan nitrogen shuttles, etc... seem at least doable, if not necessarily practical. But what are you going to do about the few inches-few metres of carcinogenic toxic micro razor death dust covering the surface?

[Anonymous No.12560880]

>>12560877
Wash them into the oceans.

[Anonymous No.12560888]

>>12560880
Now the ocean is full of death particles which will be getting into the fish/marine life and fucking them up, washing up onto the shores and making it unswimmable. Doesn't seem like a good idea.

[Anonymous No.12560892]

>>12560888
The water would erode the jagged edges of the dust particles in a few months

[Anonymous No.12560893]

>>12560824
>Olympus Mons we are out of options prepare to ram the shipyard
Interplanetary Sci fi is underrated, man

[Anonymous No.12560894]

>>12560888
trips checked

there are various microbes that can be used to decouple the perchlorates in martian soil.

[Anonymous No.12560896]

>>12560893
>AND WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT
>IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT FUCKER NAMED GATOR AND HIS STUPID RUST BUCKET NAMED RETALIATION

[Anonymous No.12560898]

>>12560888
>fish/marine life
Don't have any in the oceans.
>washing up onto the shores and making it unswimmable.
And? It Mars, not the Bahamas.
Also there's probably some microbial life that we could introduce that would take care of it over time. In water they'd be able to actually spread out and tackle the millions of tons of stuff that they'd need to as opposed to on land where we'd have to manually spread them like fertilizer.

[Anonymous No.12560900]

can you pressurize a region of space where the entire volume is gas instead of rock and a tiny layer of gas?

[Anonymous No.12560901]

>>12560892
That would make them less dangerous but still they would be very bad. Super fine solids fuck your shit up even if they are smooth and round.

[Anonymous No.12560904]

>>12560900
What?

[Anonymous No.12560905]

>>12560901
Then in that case...

[Anonymous No.12560906]

>>12560900
Gas giants and stars are primarily large volumes of gas pressurized by their own gravity (planetary rocky cores notwithstanding).

[Anonymous No.12560910]

>>12560904
like idk, some sort of gas that sticks together so it wouldn't dissipate or something

[Anonymous No.12560911]

>>12560896
>OH NO EARTHBROS WE GOT TOO C-

[Anonymous No.12560915]

>>12560898
>And? It Mars, not the Bahamas.

It dries out on the shores and due to being super fine and light gets carried in the wind and blown onto populated areas and farm lands.

>Also there's probably some microbial life that we could introduce that would take care of it over time.

Microbes that eat solid rock type particles that have zero nutritional value?....

I'm not dooming, just that this seems like the biggest obstacle that hasn't been addressed in any sufficient manner. Really the only way I can think of dealing with it is giant harvesting machines that pour the entire planets worth of fines into furnaces and melt it into rocks. But even on the terraforming scale, that kind of effort is just absurd.

[Anonymous No.12560925]

>>12560915
Is that what happens to beaches?
The particles wouldn't stay the same after being circulated through ocean currents, or really even just water in general.
And the microbes are to eat the carcinogens, not the rock itself.

[Anonymous No.12560927]

>>12560901
We have ultra-fine dust here on Earth too, it's fine. When there's a water cycle, it mostly gets trapped as sediments or clay, and even when loose it isn't that big of a deal.

[Anonymous No.12560937]

>>12560900
That's a star

[Anonymous No.12560943]

>>12560925
Beaches are composed of sand which is absolutely fucking huge and heavy compared to Martian fines and yes, large volumes of sand are subject to substantial movement and settling by the wind. Dust from the Sahara fertilises the fucking Amazon rainforest half a planet away due to prevailing weather patterns. You say that the particles wouldn't stay the same and that's true but they will only be getting smaller and smaller which makes them worse. The carcinogenic effect of fines is not due to chemicals but the nature of the particles themselves, they are so small that they lodge in your body and start fucking shit up but your body has no mechanism to dislodge stuff that small, the particles being smoothed by weathering would make them somewhat less dangerous but they would still be very carcinogenic.

>>12560927
The finest dust we have on earth is what is called "bulldust" in Australia where trucks run over a dirt road again and again with the dust settling back on the same area, repeatedly crushing it smaller and smaller. It's really bad to be breathing in on a regular basis and is still very, very much larger than Martian fines.

[Anonymous No.12560944]

>>12560937
You're a star

[Anonymous No.12560946]

>>12560910
That's what stars do. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/193710-birth-of-a-solar-system-the-first-ever-high-resolution-image-of-planet-formation

[Anonymous No.12560955]

>>12560944
>>12560937
this is cute

[Anonymous No.12560963]

>>12560845
now that's really shit

[Anonymous No.12560964]

>>12560944
>>12560955

[Anonymous No.12560969]

>>12560943
I suppose we could just constantly scrape it off of the beaches as it collects and then mush it together with other stuff to use as bricks or something. Other than that, I don't know- maybe nuke it off of Mars?
Or we could use it as a PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONTing material.

[Anonymous No.12560972]

Page 10, imminent and post 777 passed:
>>12560971
>>12560971
>>12560971
>>12560971

[Anonymous No.12560994]

>>12560753
The MSM is pushing globohomo hard we are going to be enslaved

[Anonymous No.12561111]

>>12560791
>So, you boys still got any of those cobalt bombs in storage?

[Anonymous No.12561282]

>>12560915
you are absolutely dooming you enormous dipshit you know nothing
there are bacteria that eat perchlorates for breakfast
perchlorates break down into harmless substances when washed in water

[Anonymous No.12561571]

>>12560743
Nah, start with a black background for space, red circle for Mars.
>>12560773
and the few "good" Chinese would be exiled to a tiny island
>>12560791
Patton too for the Russians and Eastern Europe
>>12560797
Is this Apollo?>>12560877
>micro razor death dust
Moon dust is worse because it has no wind to blow shit around and wear it down. It's just as jagged as the day it was broken off in a meteor impact. Dust is still bad, but moon dust is worse, plus it has a static charge and wants to stick to fucking everything.
>>12560972
>Page 10, imminent
It's a faggot way to say "we're on page 9", thread is still alive 5 hours later, this is why we wait for page 10.