/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.12526668]

There were any raitonal well thought arguments that disproved this book? Or just full cope?

[Anonymous No.12526675]

>>12526668
title alone is irrefutable.

[Anonymous No.12526677]

If you're an antinatalist then unironically kill yourself. Obviously life isn't worth living to you so spare us your defeatist whining.

[Anonymous No.12526680]

>>12526675
So to this day nobody ever disproved Benatar?

[Anonymous No.12526681]

>>12526677
You low IQ coper, suicide is a net suffering for the people that care about me, kill yourself is not the answer, and anti natalism is not about killing yourself, midwit

[Anonymous No.12526684]

>>12526668
obviously the author has never fucked a sexy a asian girl

[Anonymous No.12526692]

>>12526681
No one cares about you tho

[Anonymous No.12526693]

>>12526668
https://www.abolitionist.com/anti-natalism.html

>Benatar's policy prescription is untenable. Radical anti-natalism as a recipe for human extinction will fail because any predisposition to share that bias will be weeded out of the population. Radical anti-natalist ethics is self-defeating: there will always be selection pressure against its practitioners. Complications aside, any predisposition not to have children or to adopt is genetically maladaptive. On a personal level, the decision not to bring more suffering into the world and forgo having children is morally admirable. But voluntary childlessness or adoption is not a global solution to the problem of suffering.

>Yet how should rational moral agents behave if - hypothetically - some variant of Benatar's diagnosis as distinct from policy prescription was correct?

>In an era of biotechnology and unnatural selection, an alternative to anti-natalism is the world-wide adoption of genetically preprogrammed well-being. For there needn't be selection pressure against gradients of lifelong adaptive bliss - i.e. a radical recalibration of the hedonic treadmill. The only way to eradicate the biological substrates of unpleasantness - and thereby prevent the harm of Darwinian existence - is not vainly to champion life's eradication, but instead to ensure that sentient life is inherently blissful. More specifically, the impending reproductive revolution of designer babies is likely to witness intense selection pressure against the harmfulness-promoting adaptations that increased the inclusive fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment of adaptation. If we use biotechnology wisely, then gradients of genetically preprogrammed well-being can make all sentient life subjectively rewarding - indeed wonderful beyond the human imagination. So in common with "positive" utilitarians, the "negative" utilitarian would do better to argue for genetically preprogrammed superhappiness.

[Anonymous No.12526694]

>>12526684
>Have sex for pleasure
>Have sex for making a baby

You're not that bright, brother, what are you doing on this board?

[Anonymous No.12526695]

I like sex. I don't like condoms.
don't care if babies exist or not.
seems pretty simple to me.

[Anonymous No.12526701]

>>12526692
My mom and dad cares about me, kill you self your ghetto born nigger, not my fault your mama is a black hoe

[Anonymous No.12526703]

>>12526680
i can't see how the attempts would not be just elaborate copes. that said now that we're here it may seem convenient to end it but death is paradoxically the greatest harm possible.

[Anonymous No.12526707]

>>12526701
Seethe

[Anonymous No.12526717]

>>1252669
And what's my garentee that some midwit politicians fuck this plan up? Are serious considered that the average people would got that easy for that utopia?

[Anonymous No.12526727]

>>12526703
>>12526693

[Anonymous No.12526734]

>>12526703
>harm
Define this meme word

[Anonymous No.12526758]

>>12526734
What are you implying, bro?

[Anonymous No.12526786]

>>12526684
>wanting to create more Elliots

[Anonymous No.12528087]

>>12526668
The total enjoyment of life outweighs the total suffering of life in people who don't suffer from depression.
There you go.

[Anonymous No.12528283]

>>12526703
>death is paradoxically the greatest harm possible

*citation needed

[Anonymous No.12528368]

>>12526693
That drugged out adventure girl is cute. Looks like the future is gonna be great.

[Anonymous No.12528461]

>>12526675
fpbp

[Anonymous No.12528565]

>>12528087
For a rich dude, right?

[Anonymous No.12528887]

>>12528565
Not at all, wealth would have hardly anything to do with it, except maybe in cases of crushing poverty.

[Anonymous No.12529517]

>>12528087
Citation needed, but even if that's the case, one can't guarantee that will be the case. Is it still okay to flip a coin for someone else?

[Anonymous No.12529653]

>>12529517
I'm glad someone flipped the coin for me. If you find life isn't worth it then kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.12529856]

>>12529653
Whether one is glad about it and thinks life is worth it or not doesn't answer the question.

[Anonymous No.12530017]

>>12529517
>Is it still okay to flip a coin for someone else?
If one avoids bias both toward existence and non-existence, choosing to bring them into life is preferable, since an existing person can always choose non-existence, but a non-existent person can not choose existence.

[Anonymous No.12530024]

>>12528087
Anyone who enjoys life is either very unintelligent or privileged (and therefore stealing from others).

[Anonymous No.12530056]

>>12530017
That is a really terrible argument. Intellectual dishonesty doesn’t even begin to describe it. Weird how natalists usually reveal themselves to be lacking compassion at best, and often evil.

[Anonymous No.12530059]

>>12530024
One would have to be comically inept to not enjoy life.

[Anonymous No.12530067]

>>12530056
The entire utilitarian idea of framing the question of existence in terms of amounts of enjoyment and suffering is laughable, so don't expect good arguments to come out of it.

[Anonymous No.12530074]

>>12530059
The vast majority of essential jobs are done by people with objectively terrible, painful and unenjoyable lives. That one sentence proves your whole world view wrong, and the reality is far worse than just that.

[Anonymous No.12530078]

>>12526677

[Anonymous No.12530081]

>>12526684
Just to create another elliot rodger? No thanks.
Hapas have 200% more mental illness than their monoracial counterparts. Racemixing is child abuse.

[Anonymous No.12530088]

>>12530074
>The vast majority of essential jobs are done by people with objectively terrible, painful and unenjoyable lives.
What would drive somebody to actually believe this?

[Anonymous No.12530094]

>>12530081
It’s always funny that racists are even worse than SJWs with feels over facts. For the record you would need way more examples (evidence) than this to make that claim

[Anonymous No.12530118]

>>12530078
I've yet to hear a decent explanation of why the brief suffering of suicide wouldn't be preferable to a remaining lifetime of suffering to an antinatalist. You know, given that their sole factor in the value of life is quantities of pleasure and pain.

[Anonymous No.12530192]

>>12530017
>since an existing person can always choose non-existence

Killing yourself does not bring about non-existence.

Death =/= Non-existence

Someone who doesn't exist can't die. Just because someone died that doesn't mean they never existed.

[Anonymous No.12530323]

>>12530192
>Death =/= Non-existence
What's the difference? Between what you were before you were born and what you are after you die? Before and after the possibility of memories?

[Anonymous No.12530331]

>>12526693
Why are atheist so afraid of not feeling well 100% of the time?

[Anonymous No.12530372]

>>12526786
What a butthurt chink

[Anonymous No.12530400]

>>12530331
All they have is an ~80 year sequence of stimuli between empty voids. Every stimulus that's not positive has to be rationalized away somehow, else it becomes an indictment against life itself.

[Anonymous No.12530920]

>>12526693
An actually good answer to antinatalism. Not sure if it's a formal argument against it but it's probably more useful than any 'right' refutation.

[Anonymous No.12531002]

>>12530323
It's easy. Signature on time, and going trough what you've been.

[Anonymous No.12531236]

>>12526668
>>>/reddit/fedora is that way