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/sfg/ - Space Flight General. Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:04:51 2020 No.12458818 [Reply] [Original]

Praying for SN9 edition.

Previous thread: >>12454983

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:06:06 2020 No.12458823 First for starship will launch before SLS

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:07:34 2020 No.12458832 0g pornography is the future

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:08:44 2020 No.12458837 >>12458832 Pornography is disgusting and rots the mind. Begone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:10:53 2020 No.12458842 third for the inevitable first mass murderer in space and the tacky movies they’ll make about him

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:11:14 2020 No.12458843 File: 1.47 MB, 307x243, rocket_rat.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12458818

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:12:57 2020 No.12458848 File: 79 KB, 315x279, 1604641738597.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12458843 Rrat

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:18:18 2020 No.12458855 File: 103 KB, 1018x752, 1595418475312.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How many years was Virgin Galactic set back today?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:20:24 2020 No.12458861 >>12458855 That would imply that they have made progress within the last 20 or so years

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:21:02 2020 No.12458864 I killed Jeb! today on re-entry from Mun. Valentina is returning from Minmus fly by. Poor fucking Jeb, I fucked up and EVA and he died entering the atmosphere before a rescue could get to him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:21:03 2020 No.12458865 >>12458855 They're set back by one year each year, maybe more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:22:30 2020 No.12458868 >>12458861 Truth

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:24:56 2020 No.12458872 >>12458864 *Valentina is probably going to die too on the return. Her ship doesn't have enough delta v left to slow to a more reasonable re-entry, and since I suck at them anyway her odds aren't good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:25:38 2020 No.12458874 >>12458855 They said not at all, just a rocket motor issue.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:26:25 2020 No.12458876 File: 146 KB, 458x477, 370-3709898_170-kb-png-angry-pink-wojak.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I swear, SpaceX could land 100 people on Mars and Thunderf00t would say >just like DC-X

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:27:02 2020 No.12458877 >>12458843 el rato

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:27:34 2020 No.12458878 >>12458855 >set back They were doing something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:28:16 2020 No.12458881 >>12458855 where's this pic from?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:29:13 2020 No.12458883 >>12458876 >lol its just a retro propulsive rocket, try inventing some new technology Elon :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:29:30 2020 No.12458884 >>12458881 https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/50711597728/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:30:56 2020 No.12458890 >>12458855 >SN9 already had raptors oh fucking hell. So it was ready to go before the great tip

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:32:36 2020 No.12458896 https://twitter.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1337960795615850497 Have we seen this many attachment pegs before?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:33:14 2020 No.12458898 File: 2.14 MB, 3402x3615, 50711597728_b9a5b47823_4k.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:33:54 2020 No.12458899 >>12458884 >>12458890 oh god oh fuck

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:34:29 2020 No.12458901 >>12458898 >Neuralink shirt I'll apply there next year. Don't think I'll get in though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:34:29 2020 No.12458902 File: 3.26 MB, 4897x3648, 50712414267_77d3f30e5a_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:35:20 2020 No.12458907 File: 2.94 MB, 3413x5120, 1579115763863.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sn9 somehow looks much better than SN8 did

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:35:34 2020 No.12458909 File: 3.02 MB, 3648x4996, 50710921736_ecde4ac77f_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] where's the vertical American flag in the high bay?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:35:38 2020 No.12458910 >>12458884 oh steve finally uploaded to flickr, neat

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:37:03 2020 No.12458914 >>12458890 maybe that's why the stand got crushed? they usually install the raptors on the launch mount iirc

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:38:05 2020 No.12458918 File: 269 KB, 2560x1502, Starship-Boca-Chica-081120-NASASpaceflight-bocachicagal-heat-shield-test-2-crop-c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12458896 yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:38:48 2020 No.12458920 File: 3.05 MB, 3648x5472, 1580028761258.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] trippy >>12458914 definitely the same stand. I don't know shit about metals but it looks fairly sturdy?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:39:43 2020 No.12458923 >>12458876 Falcon 9 is just a Mercury-Redstone rocket. The only difference is Falcon 9 runs on methane

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:40:09 2020 No.12458927 File: 3.67 MB, 5472x3648, 1600549050549.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BROS

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:40:52 2020 No.12458930

They added extensions to the stands to make them taller w/out crossbraces so they could install engines in the highbay instead of having to wait to put em on the pad
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=52398.0;attach=1997954;image

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:40:57 2020 No.12458931 >>12458920 YO that's way fuckin cleaner than before >>12458918

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:41:15 2020 No.12458932 >>12458818 >New Shepphard landing legs OH NO NO NO LEGLETS WE GOT TOO COCKY

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:41:47 2020 No.12458933 >>12458930 I wonder if the concrete failed, not the stand.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:41:59 2020 No.12458935 >>12458927 m-mommy? god who wouldnt want to burry their face in her ass. i could eat the shit right out of her ass. suffocate between her titties. i cant breath bros

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:42:47 2020 No.12458937 >>12458927 first thing I zoom into is mommy butt

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:43:56 2020 No.12458942 >>12458930 where's that one from? don't see it on twitter or Flickr

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:44:08 2020 No.12458944 >>12458909 who dat?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:44:21 2020 No.12458945 File: 87 KB, 427x640, happy_elon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] he looks so happy bros

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:44:48 2020 No.12458946 >>12458944 nuralink boi

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:45:50 2020 No.12458948 >>12458942 https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=52398.120 not sure where vaporcobra pulled it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:45:51 2020 No.12458947 >>12458942 oh found it. it's not in higher res at the source tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:46:37 2020 No.12458950 >>12458923 why would u say something so stupid

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:46:59 2020 No.12458951 >>12458945 did they erect SN9?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:47:37 2020 No.12458952 >>12458932 Those legs are 100% aesthetic right? they seem flimsy as fuck in practice

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:49:07 2020 No.12458954 File: 2.29 MB, 4896x2752, rip.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12458951 not yet. flap is for sure fucked

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:51:15 2020 No.12458960 >>12458954 If the flap took that much force, I'd be worried about the integrity of the tank it's mounted to. Pretty sure SN-9 is gonna be a write-off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:52:53 2020 No.12458962 File: 301 KB, 520x678, BC466AAD-D26C-4D22-A51D-6987D1FAD0E6.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12458954 They’ll have her upright and ready to hop in a day or two r-right. How long does it take to make and attach a flap?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:54:19 2020 No.12458966 File: 226 KB, 2037x1143, 1588808911892.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] We'll just have to wait for SN10.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:55:11 2020 No.12458969 >>12458818 >/sfg/ became eron mosk fan boy thread >/sfg/ became shit Please, come back

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:56:26 2020 No.12458976 >>12458969 ULA chads rise up

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:57:23 2020 No.12458978 >>12458927 sweet kicks space babe

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:59:20 2020 No.12458981 >>12458930 >taller w/out crossbraces is this the reason for collapse?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:00:45 2020 No.12458983 >>12458818 Those BO landing legs are fucking sweet

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:02:47 2020 No.12458989 >>12458898 Oh god they should put one of the test vehicles horizontal after it successfully lands and they can recreate the von braun-saturn v photo

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:06:33 2020 No.12459000
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>>12458969
If any other space company was doing something groundbreaking I’d gladly talk about them.
Unfortunately SNC is pretty secretive about their inflatable habitat that they are working on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:10:41 2020 No.12459007 >>12459000 there are tons of news about space, space flight and spacecraft. >China and the Moon >Japan and asteroids >Europe/France and Ariane >Russia and Soyuz And it's just the tip of the iceberg.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:13:51 2020 No.12459014 >>12458989 laying an unpressurized starship horizontally will cause it to collapse in on itself

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:14:46 2020 No.12459017 >>12459007 Yeah but none of it really groundbreaking or revolutionary

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:17:53 2020 No.12459019 >>12459014 It doesn’t have balloon tanks. I’m pretty sure it could handle the weight

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:21:31 2020 No.12459030 >>12458976 yeah just give me 20 more years and I'll get to it

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:24:34 2020 No.12459032

>>12459007
>Ariane
Sitting around waiting a few years for a test flight isn't fun
>China and the moon
Sitting around waiting for China to not publish it's missions findings is not fun haha
>Russia and soyuz
Sitting around seeing a other Soyuz launch is not fun, and russia does t innovate anymore
>Japan and Asteroid
Cool
None of those things are fun to talk about, because none of them are new, innovative, or happen frequently enough for us to actively discuss bro, And that's just the tip of the shit iceberg
ISRO manned launched will be cool, Starship is cool, and the potential shit that starship can launch into space is cool

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:28:33 2020 No.12459035

>>12459032
New glenn will be cool when (if) it happens. China does publish its space data if I remember correctly. Russian spacewalks are still fun to watch, and soyuz launches are sort of fun. But yeah all of these things are still rare and never really give us shit to do in between

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:29:09 2020 No.12459036 >>12459032 >new, innovative, or happen frequently Facebook generation Meanwhile, others are working and the real science is being done outside of the US.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:35:44 2020 No.12459051

>>12459036
>the real science is being done outside of the US
No it isn't. The Chinese are rehashing 50 year old Soviet lunar missions, the Russians haven't done anything relevant in space science since the 90s, the Euros are doing literally nothing of note, and the Indians are flying impressively cheap bare bones missions primarily for prestige purposes. The Japanese are literally the only country outside of America that still does interesting space exploration missions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:36:45 2020 No.12459055 >>12459036 >Facebook generation No, you are boomer shuttle generation. It shouldn't take decades to do some basic bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:38:58 2020 No.12459058 >>12459051 >The Japanese are literally the only country outside of America that still does interesting space exploration missions. lol

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:40:28 2020 No.12459063

Cool, so SN9 rescue has actually been progressing nicely. Looks like her transport stand is ready and she's been hooked up to the crane for a while now. I image they'll take their time getting her off that broken mount to make sure they do it right.

https://youtu.be/HghOSxI1K48

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:42:24 2020 No.12459067 >>12459063 I hadn't realized the extent of the plan they have in place for recovering SN9. Feeling kinda optimistic about it right now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:44:46 2020 No.12459070 >>12459067 She'll probably be fine, replace the fin maybe but the rest of it is gonna be okay I'd bet. We'll see if I'm wrong, I could be.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:45:30 2020 No.12459072

>>12459067
>recovering SN9
They have to get it onto a mobile stand and out of the high bay regardless of what they decide to do with the vehicle. The wing took unrepairable damage, and we haven't seen good pictures of its mounting points as far as I'm aware. If the impact transferred a decent amount of force into the tank, it's probably fucked.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:47:57 2020 No.12459081

>>12459072
>If the impact transferred a decent amount of force into the tank, it's probably fucked.

Desu pretty much my thoughts, I reckon the whole area that wing was attached to has taken a significant hit and will be more work than it's worth to fix rather than just using SN10 or whatever instead.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:50:23 2020 No.12459083

>>12459067
yeah, from the streams it kinda felt like they were doing nothing/unsure of how to proceed. But in reality they've been working nonstop and very clearly have a plan of attack. They'll get this shit done.

>>12459070
This is actually kind of an impromptu test. If Starship is taking people to Mars it has to be more durable than your average rocket. If SN9 survives this it sets a very good precedent for the design's durability.

>>12459070
steel being easy to repair is a nice plus here

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:51:21 2020 No.12459086 >>12459014 no it won't, starship doesn't have balloon tanks

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:52:50 2020 No.12459088

>>12459083
Fair point, if your rocket gets a little banged up on the landing at Mars and is unusable as a result, the base/colony is gonna have a bad time. Frankly the the idea of a rocket rugged enough to get knocked around and still fly good gives me a semi senpai.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:54:37 2020 No.12459094 >>12459063 >SpaceX Teslas @ 2:00 God damn that's cool. I hope Elon hooks up some recharge stations from Houston down to Boca

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:57:11 2020 No.12459099 >>12459063 dammit all I can think is how much all this work costs. I hope spacex is doing ok financially with starship dev.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:59:06 2020 No.12459101 >>12459099 imagine how much worse the cost would be if they went with advanced carbon fiber instead of cheap-as-dirt steel Now that I think about it New Glenn is also going to cost an arm and a leg.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:02:03 2020 No.12459106 >>12458440 Better not send any Canadians then, eh?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:04:59 2020 No.12459112 So the SN9 tilting was intentional? They just wanted to raise the SN9 higher so they can install raptors inside?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:07:04 2020 No.12459118 >>12459088 On the journey to mars they're probably going to have to take some welders with them. Or at least someone capable of repairs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:08:09 2020 No.12459122 >>12459112 Yeah crumpling one of the wings was just part of the plan.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:13:08 2020 No.12459128
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>>12459099
I’m sure funding is not a problem anymore for them. If they really needed some cash they could call up private investors, ipo Starlink onto the stock market early, take over an African country etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:13:17 2020 No.12459129 >>12459122 >Crumpling Was that confirmed? Of speculation?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:14:52 2020 No.12459134 >>12458901 what position?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:15:00 2020 No.12459135

>>12459088
At this point I'm pretty sure SpaceX won't send just one rocket at a time. They'll probably send half a dozen unmanned rockets on the first synod, then that many more again along with the first manned rocket on the next synod. That'll mean plenty of redundant rockets (and spare parts) for a ride home.
Of course I could be wrong, he could go nuts sending dozens of rockets because they'll be so cheap.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:15:28 2020 No.12459136 >>12459129 pictures show that the aft starboard flap has some damage

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:15:30 2020 No.12459137 >>12459122 >"Was crumpling the wing part of your plan?" >"Of course."

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:16:32 2020 No.12459140 >>12459129 I WILL KILL YOU BRENDADIRK CRUMPLESCRUNCH

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:20:06 2020 No.12459152 >>12459134 Software

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:21:38 2020 No.12459154 do they have fun snacks like takis on ISS?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:33:11 2020 No.12459182

>>12459154
No but astronauts can get special food and snacks delivered, so long as they meet certain criteria or get modified so they don’t blast crumbs everywhere. For example you probably can’t bring up a nature valley bar, but astronauts sometimes get shipments of fresh fruit or kind bars or pâté and stuff

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:34:56 2020 No.12459187 >>12459182 >For example you probably can’t bring up a nature valley bar lord that would be a nightmare. Those things crumble way too much.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:35:38 2020 No.12459189 >>12459035 >New glenn will be cool when (if) it happens New Glenn will happen and will be very cool, but it'll be like SpaceX if they only had the Falcon Heavy. It'll be a spectacle that may fly once a year, and an afterthought the rest of the time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:36:36 2020 No.12459190 >>12458725 would old, saggy boobs never be a thing in 0g? This is an important question

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:36:59 2020 No.12459191 File: 23 KB, 500x230, fucking crumbs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12459187

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:37:56 2020 No.12459194 >>12459182 Can you imagine taking a bunch of in-the-shell peanuts up there? I have to imagine that'd be a fire hazard.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:38:17 2020 No.12459195
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>>12459187
>opens up packaging
>within five minutes all life support systems have failed and communication with earth has been severed due to the outbreak of a severe fire
>MFW I just wanted by oats n' honey bar

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:43:03 2020 No.12459201 >>12459000 SNC is pretty damn based for oldspace >>12459189 and if starship meets all its goals new glen is probably dead in the water

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:44:14 2020 No.12459206 >>12458837 What, you expect me to get out the dragon dildos whenever I want to nut?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:47:31 2020 No.12459209 File: 463 KB, 2500x2050, booba.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12459190

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:47:39 2020 No.12459212 >>12459206 How about you get a wife and have babies with her, you fucking freak?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:48:11 2020 No.12459214 >>12458969 >became This general only exists because we had ongoing threads about Boca Chica

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:50:59 2020 No.12459215 >>12459190 The space age will evolutionary remove all big tits since they're nothing but a liability in 0g

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:51:18 2020 No.12459216 >>12459206 Use your imagination or get a gf you fucking degenerate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:52:26 2020 No.12459218 >>12459214 /sfg/ was started quite a long time before boca was even a thing. Don't try to rewrite history nigger.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:53:17 2020 No.12459221 >>12458969 /Sfg/ was created for daily spacex/musk/starship threads Lmao. Fucking crossboarders

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:53:42 2020 No.12459223 >>12459215 >I don’t understand evolution at all

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:53:51 2020 No.12459224 >>12459190 >>12459215 Watch Barbarella, anons.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:54:21 2020 No.12459227

>>12459201
If BO had the balls, I don't think it would be a monumental challenge to give New Glenn a reusable second stage. It still wouldn't beat Starship on economies of scale, but it would be competitive and may be a good option for small- to medium-sized dedicated payloads. Of course, they won't, and it'll merely serve out the few contracts it already has, plus Kuiper if Bezos still feels like it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:55:15 2020 No.12459229 >>12459212 Neurologically incapable of wanting to. Also you wouldn't want more people like me in the world.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:03:16 2020 No.12459243 >>12459218 No it wasn’t. At least not at the extent it’s at today. Five failed attempts at a space flight general don’t count

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:05:56 2020 No.12459248 >>12459243 /sfg/ was a thing before Falcon Heavy launched. Fuck off nigger.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:06:40 2020 No.12459250 File: 260 KB, 842x1191, collateral-damage-studios-solaire-of-astora-praise-the-sun.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12458945

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:10:08 2020 No.12459254 >>12459248 Go ahead and link some archive threads then, buddy

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:13:35 2020 No.12459261 >>12459254 I've been here longer than you newfag

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:14:08 2020 No.12459262 >>12458945 how would a stand like that break, anyhow? It's not like there are any horizontal forces acting on it. The force vectors are vertical here.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:14:27 2020 No.12459264

>>12459182
I saw an old YT video the other day about how to eat peanuts on the ISS. It was by one of the JAXA astronauts named Yui.
Basically if you just open the packet, they'll fly all over the place, but if you spin around while holding the packet out at arms length, you'll get centrifugal force to hold them in the bag.
It looked as silly as it sounds.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:15:56 2020 No.12459267 >>12459262 Someone was talking about them using hydraulic jacks to lift it and one of them failing, that seems like the most logical explanation to me. That's a seriously heavy duty stand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:16:47 2020 No.12459268 File: 156 KB, 800x1136, 1496201939344.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12459261

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:17:35 2020 No.12459270 >>12459268 You're the one making the claim newfag, burden of proof is on you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:20:25 2020 No.12459278 >>12459270 The burden of proof is on this dick

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:20:52 2020 No.12459281 >>12459261 This post time traveled from 2006 to get here

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:21:03 2020 No.12459282 >>12459278 Ok newfag.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:22:38 2020 No.12459284 File: 379 KB, 1189x2797, 1604584432864.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] they're doing it!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:24:38 2020 No.12459290 >>12459284 >cyclops crane awakens to aid SN9 in her hour of need Heroic machine

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:25:50 2020 No.12459293 File: 118 KB, 772x608, 2080344F-EC71-46BB-9728-FCC192C6927F.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12459284 Come on SN9 you can do it!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:27:43 2020 No.12459297 >>12459284 Yeah nah cunt, it's gonna be fucked. Just swap that shit out for SN10.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:29:02 2020 No.12459300 >>12459284 what stream? Nasaspaceflight looks like it went offline.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:35:31 2020 No.12459307 >>12459300 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am2kw1TCNAk

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:36:24 2020 No.12459311 >>12459307 ty

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:43:21 2020 No.12459323 File: 255 KB, 355x536, sn9 evangelion.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12459284 #Tipgate2020

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:44:57 2020 No.12459326

>>12459209
Imagine the rage of that curly haired girl in the back. She had to stay sleepless cramming for exams didn't go to a party till age 27 and even had to suck. 3cm long cock of an obese incontinent nasa executive to get this entry level job with the vomit comet , but this girl comed in , flashes her toys and she's already half way into space and worse of all she's told to hide so she doesn't ruinthe tit shot

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:47:55 2020 No.12459336 >>12459326 Incel

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:52:10 2020 No.12459343 so SN9 is scrap ya? They're gonna maybe try and pop it, but this "rescue event" that everyone is all hyped over is really just getting the thing back on the mount so it can be moved out of the highbay

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:01:06 2020 No.12459371 >>12459343 Static fire this week orbital launch next one. Mar my words asshole

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:07:08 2020 No.12459383 >>12459326 Kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:10:03 2020 No.12459391 >>12459209 Wife of the ace Astros pitcher no less

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:12:55 2020 No.12459396 >>12459297 They should fly it as is, without replacing the damaged control surfaces, just to see what happens. The SN8 bellyflop was so smooth that I bet SN9 would still succeed with the mildly dented flaps.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:25:20 2020 No.12459424 >>12459396 >mildly dented Nigger that flap is fucking crushed, no way will it move at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:35:15 2020 No.12459436 >On 11 December 2020, SN9's stand inside SpaceX's High Bay malfunctioned, which tilted the vehicle LOL

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:36:29 2020 No.12459438 File: 2.24 MB, 3402x3615, EpFh7j3U0AEqOAH.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >SN9 already had Raptors installed before the tip We could have had a followup flight within days of it hitting the pad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:38:06 2020 No.12459441 >>12458907 It's Snine time.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:48:26 2020 No.12459458

>>12459424
Where are you seeing that it's crushed? It looks like the outer edge is crumpled around the straps but otherwise it looks fine. Assuming the actual mount from the fin to the ship and the motor are fine, just launch the damn thing and let the aeronautics figure out the rest.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:51:09 2020 No.12459465 >>12458969 Is it really fanboyism if he keeps delivering while no one else is?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:52:09 2020 No.12459468 File: 956 KB, 680x618, 9cf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12455288 Reminds of this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:52:13 2020 No.12459469 >>12459458 All you are seeing is the surface skin. All that force was transferred through the internal stringers to the mounting points. No fucking way will they be working smoothly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:59:45 2020 No.12459480 >>12459469 How about we launch it and find out? What's the worst that happens, it gets scrapped anyway?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:01:37 2020 No.12459481 >>12459465 >keep delivering >Accomplish nothing Yeah, people are very easy to satisfy

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:02:22 2020 No.12459483 >>12459469 The joints for the flaps are designed to see extremely large loads during descent, I doubt this tipping event would not be enough to damage them. Look at how short the control arms are for the amount of torque they need to handle.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:02:56 2020 No.12459484 >>12459480 I mean yeah why not. I don't think they will and it will probably be a waste of raptors but if they want to I guess we will get some kino footage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:05:50 2020 No.12459490 >>12459019 >>12459086 has nothing to do with balloon tanks. unpressurized starship can stand up fine vertically, horizontally it can't. you'll never see a starship stowed horizontally, musk waved the possibility himself.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:06:00 2020 No.12459491

>>12459483
They aren't designed to take ~100t+ of impact force directly in line with the fins though, it's very different. If it works with a bit of patching up than great, but having worked on large projects like this, I'm pretty sure this is a write off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:07:07 2020 No.12459494 >>12459490 Source on any of this?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:07:52 2020 No.12459496

>>12459491
Where are you getting the idea that the impact was directly in line with the fin? The fins were folded, it's much more likely that it impacted at some angle on the flat side and the resulting "bounce" was what drive the strap through the edge. If anything the fin may have cushioned the fall.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:07:52 2020 No.12459497 File: 426 KB, 1493x1198, BE4test.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Apologize, /sfg/

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:08:33 2020 No.12459500 >>12459491 They don't see 100t of impact force, the fin is a crumple zone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:09:00 2020 No.12459501 >>12459490 When it's bellyflopping its taking way more forces than simply sitting on the ground. There is no pressure in the main tanks during the flop since its all in the headers. Starship would be totally fine sitting horizontally.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:10:23 2020 No.12459504 >>12459438 Not if raptor keeps eating itself

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:10:48 2020 No.12459505 Why did SpaceX put the engines on SN9 before a cryo test with rams? Did they plan on skipping that altogether?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:12:19 2020 No.12459510

>>12459481
>Propulsive landings have become routing
>Beat Boeing to the ISS by at least a full year despite a fraction the funding
>Fast, low latency satellite internet in wide beta
>Flight tested FFSC engine with the world record for chamber pressure
>Starship's entire descent profile is proven to work

Meanwhile, at Boeing
>Almost programmed a clock correctly

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:13:26 2020 No.12459512

>>12459497
Where the fuck do you see the milky way like this? I am super rural, 150km+ from a small town in the absolute middle of buttfuck nowhere and my night sky is not even close to this. Its much better than city skies for sure and great to look at but still.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:13:52 2020 No.12459513 >>12459512 exposure lenses

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:13:53 2020 No.12459514 >>12459501 when it's bellyflopping the main tanks are absolutely pressurized, where did you hear otherwise?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:14:06 2020 No.12459517 >>12459504 Name the last time Raptor ate itself. The SN8 replacements were due to the pad turning into a frag grenade. The failure on landing was due to it not having any fuel to burn. 600hzfags begone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:15:35 2020 No.12459518 >>12459514 No they aren't. The final landing burn is fuelled entirely from the header tanks, that literally the entire fucking point of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:16:09 2020 No.12459520 >>12459517 Tisk tisk. It doesnt matter what caused raptor to eat itself, the result is the same. SN8 landing was the last time raptor ate itself :^)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:16:34 2020 No.12459521 >>12459518 Pressurized != liquid fuel

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:17:11 2020 No.12459523 >>12459497 what is this,BE4? are they ever gonna fly this thing? or at least do a vertical test

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:22:35 2020 No.12459527

>>12459518
First of all your assumption that the main tanks are empty is plain wrong. you can see the condensation from settled cryo fuel on the landing camera. Second, the existence of header tanks has no impact on main tank pressurization. Where are you getting this information?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:24:50 2020 No.12459532 i wonder if any of these small launch companies will do medium launch later..or maybe spacex kills them in the cradle

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:25:47 2020 No.12459534 >>12459527 Galaxy brain over here thinks they do a full nitrogen purge mid flight

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:26:02 2020 No.12459536 >>12459512 through a camera after you take a long exposure photo

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:27:16 2020 No.12459539 File: 3.91 MB, 5500x4739, lunar-wall-mosaic.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:28:08 2020 No.12459542 >>12459536 >>12459513 Ah so they are cheating. Good to know.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:29:07 2020 No.12459547 >>12459542 basically yeah

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:33:01 2020 No.12459553 File: 3.81 MB, 4000x3488, AS16-114-18427.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Yeah I'm the wanderer >yeah the wanderer

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:35:14 2020 No.12459555 >>12459534 They pressurize the tanks autogenously but you knew that already, didn't you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:37:38 2020 No.12459557 >>12459555 Yes. What's your point?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:38:14 2020 No.12459559 >>12459534 >he thinks there's nitrogen in the tank wew lad

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:39:02 2020 No.12459561

>>12459555
I should probably have clarified that the galaxy brain I was referring to was >>12459518 who apparently thinks that just because they stop burning fuel from the main tanks it means the tanks are bone dry and completely depressurized for some inexplicable reason.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:46:00 2020 No.12459566 >>12459512 >>12459513 >>12459536 >>12459542 its possible to see the milky way like that without exposure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mPlPIGnWsI

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:47:19 2020 No.12459568 >>12459561 totally diff anon here that know barely shit about rocket plumbing. i was under the impression all tanks will be pressurized through all regimes barring pre launch/post landing

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:48:31 2020 No.12459570 File: 165 KB, 599x328, not science or math.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] When do we send these gay soi threads to >>>/g/ or >>>/trash/ even?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:50:47 2020 No.12459574

>>12459568
Yes, obviously. Both main tanks and headers start with basically all liquid fuel, then as the liquid gets burned they get backfilled with fuel/oxidizer that gets boiled off by the Raptors to maintain pressure.
Even if the structure is theoretically stronger than your average balloon tank, it gets exponentially stronger when pressurized so there'd be absolutely no reason it would belly flop at ambient pressure like >>12459518 seems to think.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:53:12 2020 No.12459576 >>12459570 why do you hate spaceflight

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 03:59:44 2020 No.12459588 >>12459566 >ISO 40000 robot eyes when?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:01:09 2020 No.12459593 >>12459510 It must be pretty depressing at Boing. But then they've been calling it in for years, so perhaps it's just business as usual

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:05:33 2020 No.12459603 Slavshit here finally can post. Did they salvage SN9? Is there any hope?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:05:41 2020 No.12459604

>>12459510
>>Starship's entire descent profile is proven to work
you are incorrect
it can't bleed off enough speed on mars to go from its shitzillion mph interplanetary speed down to a speed where it's capable of landing
hell, it might not be able to even slow itself down enough to get into a circular orbit around mars

starship is textbook fool's gold

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:07:02 2020 No.12459607 >>12458907 >engines were actually installed already wtf

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:08:40 2020 No.12459610 >>12458907 Probly becausa most work done indoors so salty moisture has not got to it so much.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:08:45 2020 No.12459613 >>12459604 >starship can't/won't be able to do X >(you) are here Kys

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:09:38 2020 No.12459615 >>12458818 Could a space nerd please give me a realistic timeline of when me the average man on the street could book a ticket to Mars to leave this planet forever and how much roughly it’s going to cost me?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:10:44 2020 No.12459617

>>12459510
Boing actually has experience and has gotten human beings to the Moon. What has cultX done? Nothing. Just reusing old NASA tech everybody knows about and claiming it as their own to trick gullible investors and policymakers into providing more funding for musk's billionaire pet projects. Countless youtube experts have already proven this a million times.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:11:15 2020 No.12459619

>>12459604
What is it with all these people that think aerodynamic simulations don't exist? You think they nailed the belly flop and flip on the first try by pure luck?
We've been to Mars tons of times, we know what the atmosphere is like, we aerobrake regularly and we've landed both propulsively and otherwise. And even if some dark magic changes the Martian air pressure between Perserverence and the first Starship landing attempt, they'll just give it bigger header tanks and do it again with more propulsion.

Even if Mars got blown up tomorrow, Starship would still be revolutionary for Earth-centric space travel and industry.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:12:23 2020 No.12459623 >>12459520 Its written tsk tsk retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:13:27 2020 No.12459626 >>12459619 >durrr it will work! Microsoft flight sim ssys so!

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:13:34 2020 No.12459627

>>12459615
If the average man has a house they can sell for ~$250,000 then probably mid 2030s. Maybe early 2030s if he manages to reserve a seat early on. Maybe late 2020s if he drops every bad habit he has now and devotes his entire life to training to become the optimal Martian colonist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:14:08 2020 No.12459630 >>12459619 >pure luck? You just describe everything musk does. And it's about to run out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:14:35 2020 No.12459633 >>12459626 SN8_flip_maneuver.webm

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:16:55 2020 No.12459637 >>12459189 Wouldn't ULA etc try to buy BO?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:16:56 2020 No.12459638 >>12459633 no one doubted the maneuver would work in our pea soup thick atmosphere, brainlet we doubt that it will work in the thin martian atmosphere

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:18:00 2020 No.12459640 >>12459638 I forgot that Starship is so revolutionary that it defies the known laws of physics and aerodynamics. All the models that we've used to design a dozen other Mars landers will be worthless when we try to apply them to Starship.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:19:35 2020 No.12459644 >>12459638 you're right, they should probably R&D a subscale SS model and send THAT to mars just to be sure it actually works

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:22:27 2020 No.12459649 >>12459638 It doesn’t use the fins to flip retard. It could flip in a vacuum. We know it will work on mars

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:23:20 2020 No.12459651 >>12459649 Yeah and nasa was sure that the mole will work in mars too...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:24:23 2020 No.12459655 >>12459649 You don't understand, Mars exists within the Shadow Dimension where no one can predict things like force and momentum. SpaceX is literally just guessing the Starship might work.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:24:46 2020 No.12459656

>>12459640
>pretending an 11 story building with a rocket and some flippy flaps strapped to it will behave just like our baby rovers did
you wanna having come in for a boingy boing boing landing too? just like ole spirit and opportunity, that's right!
the computer says so!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:25:55 2020 No.12459659 >>12459656 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:27:32 2020 No.12459665 >>12459659 boingy boing boing landing it is then i suggest they build a 2x scale model to test it first, just for proof of concept

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:28:58 2020 No.12459667 Mars has terrifying storms and winds that exceed hundreds of miles. Starship physically can't make the flip maneuver in such harsh conditions it's a doomed architecture

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:29:52 2020 No.12459670 Literally the only meaningful challenge left with Mars is landing legs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:31:56 2020 No.12459674 >>12459667 don't forget the planetwide dust storms that can crop up at a moment's notice would be quite the shame if one of those decided to show up and cover the entire planet 4 months into the journey

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:33:08 2020 No.12459675 Can’t we just strap loads of parachutes onto it like in KSP?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:33:41 2020 No.12459678 >>12459667 >hundreds of miles Yeah but the atmospheric pressure is less than 1% of earth's so who the fuck cares?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:35:30 2020 No.12459680 >>12459667 don't be too much of a defeatist... solar wind goes at a fraction of the speed of light but density is so low that you can easily navigate inside it (with a radiation shield)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:35:32 2020 No.12459681 File: 199 KB, 1196x798, ikamusume starship.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:39:54 2020 No.12459690 >>12459670 More like preventing Raptor from shitting itself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:40:15 2020 No.12459693 >>12459681 why was this pic deleted before?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:41:16 2020 No.12459694 >>12459638 >we cringe

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:48:08 2020 No.12459704 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwMZDaG6ZSs Looks like SN-9's gotten pulled back upright. Curious to see what they'll do with it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:05:12 2020 No.12459731 File: 81 KB, 1210x2104, 1603955932913.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12459681

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:10:54 2020 No.12459739 File: 3.41 MB, 2731x4096, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] SN9 don't seem too bad after all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:14:45 2020 No.12459749 >>12459604 lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:16:25 2020 No.12459752 File: 27 KB, 579x536, boing fc.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12458969

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:33:34 2020 No.12459774 >>12459739 thats before it fell

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:36:38 2020 No.12459779 File: 68 KB, 1080x608, 1599958190177.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Orbital mechanics is something else. Space warfare is definitely going to be done with AI.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:37:51 2020 No.12459781 File: 205 KB, 4096x2731, 1592790126135.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Soon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:43:29 2020 No.12459793 >>12459570 Spaceflight is either /sci/ or /n/ and /sfg/ burns through threads and particularly image limits way too fast for /n/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:49:40 2020 No.12459806 >>12459617 spacex is basicaly dcx but with sonehow more fraud

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:50:04 2020 No.12459808 >>12459497 I'm sorry BO still doesn't have any orbital rockets.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:52:34 2020 No.12459817 File: 221 KB, 2880x1548, treasure-planet-space-port.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12459781 soon

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:55:30 2020 No.12459822 >>12459808 why do they keep talking up HLS and artemis when it's literaly their least important project, behind new shepard, new glenn, be-4 production, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:57:30 2020 No.12459826 Musk hasn't tweeted about it, that's how you know hes pissed

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:59:58 2020 No.12459832 >>12459826 his silence is extremely telling

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:02:16 2020 No.12459837 >>12459822 >why does BO's marketing team keep shilling the most marketable thing to the people most easily fooled by marketing You know the answer to this question.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:07:06 2020 No.12459844 >>12459793 It's not science nor math. How could /sfg/ be /sci/? Technical limitations don't matter, you just have to deal with what you have.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:07:12 2020 No.12459845 >>12459837 that's all they fucking are at this point, a marketing company

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:13:03 2020 No.12459856

>>12459837
will they ever reach orbit? it sure as shit doesnt seem like bezos cares about being cost effective. they're two years older than spacex, get 1 billion in free money per year, lost two major dev/launch competitions, and COO was just fired. It seems to me they might actually fuck this up

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:13:50 2020 No.12459858 File: 1.62 MB, 1920x1080, Elons Junkyard v8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Things are getting crowded at this point...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:21:38 2020 No.12459865 File: 1.72 MB, 2400x1080, Screenshot_20201211-072249.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] did u guys see jim got a standing ovation from pence? warmed my heart

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:24:36 2020 No.12459869 File: 766 KB, 2560x1683, 1605251355111.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12459856 BO is not attempting to do anything real they are attempting to be another old space company making money is more important than actually getting things done

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:25:57 2020 No.12459871 >>12459858 That's a good one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:29:41 2020 No.12459880 >>12459858 Its missing the flying water silo, and now ever vigilant starhopper

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:31:18 2020 No.12459883

>>12459869
they fail at that too though. they're burning through so much cash without creating value in the meantime. i personally think they'll turn into the new aerojet rocketdyne, building reusable engines for another company that just throws them away

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:41:43 2020 No.12459899 File: 198 KB, 300x400, JimBridenstine_1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hello "sfg"

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:42:54 2020 No.12459905 File: 1.03 MB, 608x213, 1598028590600.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12459899 hello jim

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:50:05 2020 No.12459921 >>12459905 wow the firing in the new raptors is so much smoother, without the random fluctuations

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:50:47 2020 No.12459922 >>12459899 Thank you for everything Jim. I wonder where life will take him next?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:52:40 2020 No.12459926 >>12459774 That was before you sucked my dick

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:56:06 2020 No.12459932 >>12459905 Those fires they keep causing in the engine skirt are a concern though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 07:08:27 2020 No.12459958 >>12458872 that's literally not an issue unless you don't have a heatshield on her capsule or are trying to land a spaceplane, and that's STILL not an issue unless you're trying to use Mk1 parts

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 07:09:51 2020 No.12459960 >>12458909 SN8 looks surprisingly good for an object that got dropped thirty feet onto concrete and then exploded

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:23:52 2020 No.12460068 >>12458898 Imagine if it had tipped onto him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:30:44 2020 No.12460089 >>12458909 >it's all oxidized from burning a little bit I don't think it will handle more than a single reentry

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:33:36 2020 No.12460092 >>12458927 Those Mexican boots.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:34:10 2020 No.12460093 >>12460089 All that rust on the welds was there before the launch. You can see it if you pay attention to the onboard camera pointing down from the top of the vehicle.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:44:25 2020 No.12460119 >>12458832 Disregard pornography, take you girl to LEO.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:46:49 2020 No.12460129 >>12459468 OH. MY. GOD. IS THAT. COULD IT BE? IS THAT A MOTHERHECKING JOEJOHNJOHNBOY JOHNSON CITATION?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:55:06 2020 No.12460148 >>12459323 kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:04:25 2020 No.12460170 >>12459505 Engines are probably mockup.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:08:14 2020 No.12460181 >>12459932 That’s just some unignited methalox coming out after combustion shutdown. Looks a bit messy but it’s harmless

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:11:45 2020 No.12460187 >>12459883 Yeah, the BE-4 is the only thing of note that they’ve accomplished. And even then iirc ULA had to help them out with its development.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:22:31 2020 No.12460215 File: 473 KB, 2048x1536, 478A0F1D-DD2C-4A9C-9020-27CA83C87833.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Flaps are dinged up. But otherwise it doesn’t look bad

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:25:27 2020 No.12460224 >>12460215 They need to look at the insides to check for structural damage. If that is okay, then all it would take is to replace the flaps but that might take a week or two. Its better to expedite SN10 and then use SN9 for testing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:26:01 2020 No.12460226 >>12460170 >>12459505 They probably learned enough from SN8 to skip the mass sim stuff. Maybe even the cryoproof.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:26:43 2020 No.12460227 >>12460215 Don’t see any damage on the tankage itself (or the nose cone). Could still be some serious weakening around the flap mounting points from the impact, but at least there isn’t any visible deformation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:28:03 2020 No.12460230 >>12460224 There’s not much to check. So long as wields and avionics are fine it’s good to go. Maybe bang out a few dents. Looks like the flaps conveniently took most of the punishment.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:29:04 2020 No.12460233 >>12460227 Well, if the flap mounts tear off during testing we know why

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:34:08 2020 No.12460244 >>12459958 I'm still super early in career mode, I just got past the 18 ton limit so yeah, I am using a mk 1 heat shield

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:46:45 2020 No.12460258 >>12460227 do you have x ray vision, because i can barely see the tankage enough to say what the damage looks like

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:47:31 2020 No.12460261 >>12459497 I actually liked the BE-4 over Raptor, but Blue needs to finish its development and put it on something that flies

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:50:46 2020 No.12460267 Can a Mars colony be self sustaining? Or will they always depend on Urfers?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:52:48 2020 No.12460272 >>12460233 Shouldn't it be easier to just change the flaps? They seem pretty easy to replace

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:54:45 2020 No.12460278 >>12460272 no

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:55:43 2020 No.12460280 SpaceX operations in Boca Chica have been put on hold pending a comprehensive OSHA investigation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:58:14 2020 No.12460288 >>12460280 https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/space-exploration-technologies-spacex $4,038,000 in fines so far, mostly for low pay

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:02:33 2020 No.12460296 File: 1.74 MB, 177x150, 1350677858295.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460278

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:04:39 2020 No.12460298 >>12460288 based, you've just posted a massive smackdown on elon musk fraud capitalist behavior.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:06:42 2020 No.12460301 File: 277 KB, 1920x1080, aq0fv.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >big tube >30 feet of ladder >lunar module but wider Which is the best one

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:07:42 2020 No.12460303 Falcon 9 launch stream up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COraGXFb1lo

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:10:12 2020 No.12460307 >>12460301 ALPACA > Lunarship > kitbashed HLS

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:11:22 2020 No.12460310 >>12460301 >dynetics has never accomplished anything of note >spacex has accomplished sone things of note >blue origin + oldspace has never accomplished anything of note idk about what's best, but i can tell you which one will actually exist

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:11:50 2020 No.12460312 stream t-1 bong SXM-7 launch thread >>12460309 >>12460309 >>12460309

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:12:31 2020 No.12460313 File: 133 KB, 932x1217, raye9k2gyh461.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:13:02 2020 No.12460314 >>12460301 alpaca for sure starship is a longshot and the HLS is just desperate oldspace cobble job

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:13:39 2020 No.12460316 File: 161 KB, 600x589, with_zubrin_you_win.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Where did all the mini starship shills go? are they hiding in wind tunnels? :^)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:18:35 2020 No.12460324 how is dearmoon going? do we have our full crew yet?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:20:20 2020 No.12460334 >>12460313 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf8OmnRIBvA

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:21:27 2020 No.12460338 File: 98 KB, 640x640, dd0622758488cc063c1dae88954aaea2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12459187

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:23:38 2020 No.12460341 >>12459512 https://darksitefinder.com/maps/world.html#6/36.093/-92.856

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:28:49 2020 No.12460348 >>12460215 Maybe they were already working on SN10 flaps. Just give them to Snine, and send her out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:33:16 2020 No.12460351 >>12460310 HLS

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:34:47 2020 No.12460355 File: 152 KB, 2000x1334, why-pays-be-jerk-like-jeff-bezos.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey guys, what's the meanest thing you could say about Blue Origin? Unleash your worst, I want to bully Bezos into orbit

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:37:24 2020 No.12460361 >>12460355 Blue Origin is worse then old space because at least old space has rockets that can deliver stuff into orbit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:37:29 2020 No.12460362 >>12460351 huh

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:39:25 2020 No.12460370 >>12460355 Lex Luthor lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:40:46 2020 No.12460374 >>12460355 Founded 2 years before SpaceX and has achieved almost nothing comparable to the latter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:40:46 2020 No.12460375 File: 855 KB, 750x977, bezosfeld blue origin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460355

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:42:12 2020 No.12460379 >>12460355 Blue Pee is the ultimate cuck of the space industry. They think they will get ahead by kissing up and partnering with oldspace, when it only shows how utterly pathetic they are

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:43:21 2020 No.12460382 File: 51 KB, 1200x671, Home.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460355 Who?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:44:34 2020 No.12460387 >>12460355 BO better launch New Glenn next year or they're going into the oldspace shit pen

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:48:41 2020 No.12460401 >>12460387 Unofficial sources claim NET Q1 2022 for New Glenn, while officially still 2021

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:49:54 2020 No.12460404

>>12460382
>Who?
Jeff Who is a bald-ass motherfucker. He pissed on my fucking girlfriend. That's right, he took his Amazon fuckin' blue dick out and he pissed on my fucking girlfriend, and he said his dick was "THIS BIG", and I said "That's disgusting!"

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:52:00 2020 No.12460408 >>12460387 Berger said it's all but confirmed for 2022 lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:53:20 2020 No.12460411 >>12460303 NSF is live with pad view https://youtu.be/I2TSGX0UaMo

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:53:25 2020 No.12460412 >>12460355 fucking embarrassing, jeff

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:54:20 2020 No.12460413 >>12459588 My point still stands that without cameras you can see the milky way like that, millions of people have witnessed it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:55:14 2020 No.12460416 >>12460404 Why would Amazon make rockets? Sounds dumb.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:56:37 2020 No.12460417 File: 50 KB, 1000x565, angry_rabbit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460401 >>12460408

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:57:48 2020 No.12460421 >>12460261 Why? The Raptor is a far superior engine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 10:58:52 2020 No.12460424 >>12460280 >>12460288 no they havem't

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:02:38 2020 No.12460429 >>12460424 tasty tears of denial

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:03:37 2020 No.12460432 >>12460429 they literally haven't, check the website

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:04:11 2020 No.12460433 >>12460411 Lack of T-20 min vent start appears to indicate the launch will be delayed but still within launch window. I think today's launch window is around 2 hours

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:04:49 2020 No.12460435 starship will supposedly have hot gas thrusters with "raptor heritage". does this mean draco scale thrusters based on raptor instead of cold gas?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:06:16 2020 No.12460438 >>12460301 HLS looks like some bullshit I built with legos when I was young.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:06:51 2020 No.12460439 File: 204 KB, 900x589, with Gurrea you win.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460316 >Virgin Zubrin's outdated Mars Direct 2.0 >Not chad Gurrea's Mars Direct 3.0 You're living in the past, boomer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:07:04 2020 No.12460441 >>12459520 To be fair, most engines eat themselves when they run out of propellant

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:07:31 2020 No.12460442 >>12460301 Jim noted in a recent NSF meeting that NASA would down select from 3 of these options to 2

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:08:12 2020 No.12460444 >>12460439 this is the only meme i dont get

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:08:37 2020 No.12460445

>>12460421
Back when both engines were just early prototypes, I liked the BE-4 for seeming like a more reliable design with its lower chamber pressure and using a better understood turbopump cycle. However, having an intrinsically reliable design is only half of reliability. Refining a design through using it is the other half and the Raptor is doing that much better than the BE-4

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:09:02 2020 No.12460447 SpaceX new target launch time 12:30 EST

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:11:56 2020 No.12460454 >>12460442 he also said to berger that nasa has a preference for contractors that self-fund when gov funding is insufficient. this favors spacex being one of the two in the downselect

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:13:33 2020 No.12460460 ICBM's with raptors when?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:13:38 2020 No.12460461 Alright /sfg/, who do you think is going to be booted out during the down select, National, Sierra, or SpaceX team?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:13:50 2020 No.12460463 >>12460454 there's no way SpaceX gets cut not. Particularly not after SN8.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:14:06 2020 No.12460464 File: 137 KB, 4048x1273, launch-profiles.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460355 S U B U B O R B I T A L R B I T A L

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:16:07 2020 No.12460471 >>12460461 I hope it's National, but it's most likely SpaceX.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:16:54 2020 No.12460477 >>12460461 National definitely. That ladder is insane.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:17:06 2020 No.12460478 >>12460461 Sierra. Kind of like the Crew contract. One oldspace and one new space

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:18:14 2020 No.12460481

>>12460461
>>12460464
SpaceX is definitely getting cut. Not because they’re behind or anything but because of the scope of the “Starship plan.” Blue and Dynetics need to just build a lander, SpaceX needs to build an entire infrastructure. Starship also has yet to fly to orbit and transfer propellant, too.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:19:21 2020 No.12460483

>>12460461
if you asked me a few months ago, i would have said dynetics and blue origin, because nasa knows spacex will develop starship with or without them. then nasa can help the other two to foster greater competition. but now it looks like the downselect will be delayed, and hls could be cancelled altogether based on the new adninistration, we just dont know. spacex and blue would probably be picked, based on recent statement by jim and blue origin marketing

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:19:26 2020 No.12460484
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SN-9 keeling over up got me thinking, SpaceX has been having a lot of avoidable fuckups. SN3 crumpling, SN-4 blowing up, and SN-9 tipping over. You guys think a video about Starship testing would be neat? Talk about rapid iteration/cheap building balanced with obvious fuckups. Anything you'd like to see covered?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:20:05 2020 No.12460486

>>12460454
This is evident in how cheap their bid for the first round was. SpaceX seems ready to offer the moonship for pennies.

>>12460461
My guess is Dynetics. They've done the least to develop their vehicle, meanwhile I don't think NASA could say no to three oldspace contractors at once, and NASA seems ready for Starship.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:21:48 2020 No.12460493 >>12460454 >>12460463 Specially considering SpaceX build an actual Starship NASA mockup. Seems like a commitment move from SpaceX "we are serious about doing this for NASA"

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:22:09 2020 No.12460494 >>12460484 I’d like to see some Raptor failures also I want to watch Hoppy hit the ground hard

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:23:26 2020 No.12460498

>>12460486
This is the best take. Dynetics has no political clout either, and that is a factor whether or not anyone admits it. It's also a waste of time. What exactly has Dynetics accomplished? Their website is chock full of unrealized pitches and concepts

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:25:40 2020 No.12460501
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What does SFG think about the Angry Astronaut? I like him because he does fall for that “team space” shit that Estrogenaut reeks of. However he is super non-informative when compared to Scott Manley and comes across as just an angry Martin Sheen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:26:30 2020 No.12460502 >>12459518 You absolute retard. Even an "empty" rocket tank is still pressurized. Falcon9 diplaces spent fuel with Helium, Starship uses vaporized fuel/oxidizer. An "empty" tank is still under pressure.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:27:47 2020 No.12460507 >>12460481 Blue needs either Vulcan or New Glenn for the lander anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:28:04 2020 No.12460509 >>12460502 Not him but neat, I didn't know that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:28:52 2020 No.12460514 File: 685 KB, 4800x2100, Raptor Development Timeline.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] not sure if there's an updated version of this

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:29:00 2020 No.12460515 >>12460501 Honestly don't like him very much but I can see why people watch him(I do). It's fun to watch. But he really is quite clueless about some things.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:29:25 2020 No.12460516 >>12460501 I like that he's ready to call anyone out on their bullshit, but he gets something wrong pretty much every video.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:29:39 2020 No.12460517

>>12460478
>>12460486
I think this is the most likely result.
>>12460501
He's a zubrinite cultist who thinks we should use a mini starship (which isn't going to happen), but a few times he has revealed/found some info on very obscure spaceflight technologies or programs, so he can be useful sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:29:59 2020 No.12460519 >>12460501 sometimes he has surprisingly good points, other times he annoys the shit out of me, other times he creeps me out

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:30:56 2020 No.12460526 >>12460502 And then when the rocket goes sideways to belly flop, where is the fuel in the nearly empty big tank, and where is the hole it is supposed to come out of? And if the hole isn't under fuel, what happens to the pressurization gas?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:32:23 2020 No.12460530 >>12460494 Will do

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:33:17 2020 No.12460535 File: 789 KB, 1960x1097, E2BAC817-43F7-48F8-BC14-64502A375F1B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Where were you when SN8 BTFO’d the Mini Starship fags 100%?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:33:28 2020 No.12460536 >>12459152 Is neuralink medical device, same standards apply?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:34:27 2020 No.12460537 >>12460535 at home in my underwear

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:37:58 2020 No.12460550

>>12460516
An important point I should add is that he's absolutely in denial about the bellyflop. He thought it was one of Starship's biggest weaknesses because it was risky and unsafe and has spent lots of times thinking through alternatives to it. Then, when SpaceX pulled it off on the first try, he said that it was ineffective at slowing the ship down.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:38:53 2020 No.12460557

>>12460535
half the mini starship fags were boomers that dont understand SpaceX has industry leading CFD sims and wind tunnels are hardly used anymore. the other half are still convinced we need a tuna can to stage off starship for edl on mars. zubrin doesnt fucking get it though. no one wants to fly to mars in a tuna can, and you aint gonna colonize shit with a tuna can

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:39:11 2020 No.12460558 >>12460550 Nigga it takes 120 m/s of fuel to slow the thing down wtf

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:40:05 2020 No.12460563

>>12460550
I was most skeptical about the bellyflop before it happened too, but watching it stick the maneuver convinced me that my fears were not well-founded.
I'm glad I don't have a youtube channel where I have to doubledown on previous predictions rather than just be pleasantly surprised to be wrong.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:42:43 2020 No.12460571

>>12460557
Zubrin’s plans were great...for the OldSpace era. If you watch the original Mars Direct presentation from 1990 you can tell that the plan is brilliant and new. Of course it was also a tad unrealistic. Zubrin added a separate orbiting Earth Return Vehicle to the plan, and later decided that boosting it one at a time to mars leads to a massive launcher. Over time Mars Direct grew into Mars DRM 3, which has 3 landers and 1 ERV with a nuclear tug each (8 launches total) to Mars DRM V: The Phantom Pain which sees 7 Ares V: Ground Zeroes launches and 1 Ares I.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:43:15 2020 No.12460575 You can see a dent in SN9 getting literally buffed out kek https://youtu.be/q57reL6NMFc?t=19 I doubt she is flying. Truly the shinji of starships

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:43:21 2020 No.12460577 >>12460550 >>12460563 i was skeptical about the bellyflop until i tried it in ksp and was floored by how much velocity i managed to shed. i was only worried about the raptor kick

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:43:43 2020 No.12460580 >>12459638 who is "we" dude???

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:43:55 2020 No.12460581 File: 762 KB, 1490x844, 1607642313007.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What were they thinking?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:44:12 2020 No.12460583 >>12460575 >Elon Musk built that Starship in a tent, with a box of scraps

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:45:50 2020 No.12460594 >>12460571 I'M NUUUUCLEEAAAAAAAR I'M WIIIIIIIILD

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:47:06 2020 No.12460605 >>12460581 Pork

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:47:20 2020 No.12460607

>>12459667
Hundred mile per hour wind isn't noticeable in an atmosphere 1% the thickness of earth
Hence why our Rovers, which are literally made out of aluminum foil and incredibly fragile composites that would disintegrate on earth, last years on Mars

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:47:28 2020 No.12460609 >>12460580 I, the royal "we"

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:48:06 2020 No.12460611 >>12460581 oink oink, pay up piggies!! OINK OIMK

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:48:08 2020 No.12460612 >>12460581 >Don't worry about the timer

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:49:42 2020 No.12460615 >>12460581 All about the cost-plus babee

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:50:32 2020 No.12460619 >>12460581 it looks fucking awful. what an ugly stack, probably the ugliest ever, and lacks any charm. embarrassing

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:51:45 2020 No.12460621 >>12460536 Right now it's medical. What standards? The same as SpaceX? Not sure.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:51:55 2020 No.12460622 >>12460501 Irrelevant. If I wanted a normie take on space, I'd read twitter core audience. Its garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:52:37 2020 No.12460626 File: 2.01 MB, 1996x3000, Ares_I-X_launch_08.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460619 >probably the ugliest ever

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:53:14 2020 No.12460627 File: 101 KB, 2048x1152, 1603250287180.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460581 Mandatory comparison chart.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:53:20 2020 No.12460628 >>12460626 The Ares I was beautiful

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:54:21 2020 No.12460631 >>12460628 You know, I'm looking again at that BOING! "thing" and Ares I isn't that bad after all, I was mistaken

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:55:15 2020 No.12460636 >>12460626 nah, it's goofy but look at how it still has charm. i love how it uses solids to get away from solids, and it's not quite as proportionally retarded as starliner stack

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:55:37 2020 No.12460637
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>>12460581
I am not crazy! I know they messed up the mission clock. I knew it was 12:00. Eight hours before we moved Starliner to the pad. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. They covered their tracks, they got those idiots from India to make code for them. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? They’ve done worse. The SLS Core Tank! Are you telling me that liquid oxygen dome just happens to fall like that? No! *They* orchestrated it! Boeing! They *crashed* a *737*! And I contracted them! And I shouldn't have. I gave them $4 Billion Dollars! What was I *thinking*? They’ll never change. They’ll *never* change! Ever since 2005, *always* the same! Couldn't build the Ares I second stage on time! But not our Boeing! Couldn't be precious *Boeing*! Stealing them blind! And *THEY* gets to be in the Commercial Crew Transport Contract? What a sick joke! I should've stopped them when I had the chance! And you, you *have* to stop them! You -

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:55:38 2020 No.12460638 File: 136 KB, 1600x900, 1563757153223.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460581 Even the Russian one looks better, and they literally rendered these in Kerbal

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:56:27 2020 No.12460642 >>12460619 true honestly, even the q-tip stack had soul. this frankenstein monster should be put out of its misery

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:57:21 2020 No.12460644 >>12460581 What's up with the skirt with little holes? Launch abort stability?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:57:47 2020 No.12460645

>>12460355
They're fucking boring, New Space ideas coupled with oldspace mentality, wile not having the industrial standing, and historical validity to act like an oldspace company
Boeing, as bad as they are, actually did good stuff for Aerospace,
Lockheed the same, Rockwell before going bust, the same, BO hasn't done anything other than launch a sub orbital Redstone a few times, and released CG renders of the stuff they want to do (which are still conceptually worse than SpaceX and the stuff oldspace tried to do in the 90s)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 11:57:55 2020 No.12460646 >>12460644 it's for cheese grading

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:00:04 2020 No.12460654 >>12460644 No, those holes are for the disco lights when Shitliner decides to throw a RCS rave party.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:02:35 2020 No.12460660 >>12460645 and they have the gall to market themselves as the only company capable of returning man to the moon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:04:23 2020 No.12460665 File: 1.72 MB, 3150x3222, jurvetson_50710922946_50710922946_The Afterlife of Starhopper.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12458884 kinda neat that they're using the hopper and a giant camera tripod

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:04:37 2020 No.12460666 File: 1.59 MB, 800x450, 1576853441211.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460654 lel

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:05:26 2020 No.12460667 File: 180 KB, 1200x800, 1575525460276.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460581 HEY, MISTER! YOU WANT PIROT SPACESHIP?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:05:52 2020 No.12460668 >>12460665 Optics/thermal camera, radar, lighting, wireless transmission and whole fuck load of other sensors like chemical/vibration/etc

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:07:27 2020 No.12460669 Why do some people say the phrase "put a man in mars" as opposed to "on mars"? sounds fucking stupid when people phrase it that way, as if mars is a single environment that you can inhabit

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:08:20 2020 No.12460673 File: 12 KB, 424x335, 1312249348398.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460668

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:08:36 2020 No.12460675 >>12460669 they mean to say we will put a man in (the core) of mars

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:08:37 2020 No.12460674 >>12460669 nobody says that

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:09:58 2020 No.12460678 >>12458832 zero pornography is the future

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:10:11 2020 No.12460679 >>12458945 He's gone beyond American Dream

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:10:11 2020 No.12460680 >>12460674 Yeah they do https://www.quora.com/Would-NASA-be-able-to-put-a-man-in-Mars-only-20-years-after-the-moon-landings

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:10:14 2020 No.12460681 >>12460669 We will punch a hole in Mars and then we are going to send people straight into the hole

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:13:44 2020 No.12460692 >>12460669 >You can't just shoot a hole into the surface of Mars!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:15:33 2020 No.12460699 music has started for spacex launch stream >>12460309

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:15:51 2020 No.12460702 >>12460215 the close up of the top flap is pretty bad, the surface is crinkled all the way to the hinge and it doesn't look like a hammer and bondo job like the bottom one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:16:16 2020 No.12460704 >>12460680 >quora You mean the place where random people ask stupid questions and get stupid answers? "man in mars" sounds like something pajeets would say

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:16:18 2020 No.12460705 File: 130 KB, 640x1011, 6CE334BC-5C8B-47A2-A3CC-4CEC7A0AEE2B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why are female astronauts not very attractive?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:17:18 2020 No.12460709 >>12460704 i've heard it from euros regularly

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:18:25 2020 No.12460713 >>12460705 Physical fitness requirements are meant for manned spaceflight.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:18:46 2020 No.12460716 File: 2.84 MB, 4225x2775, DSC_1356 (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460215 >>12460702

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:18:53 2020 No.12460717 >>12460709 so ESLs? um, yeah

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:19:05 2020 No.12460719 >>12460680 This whole question is worded incorrectly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:20:14 2020 No.12460728 >>12460705 They're nerds

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:20:44 2020 No.12460731 >>12460716 ouch. Hopefully it's just the wing and the hull isn't pierced or something

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:21:22 2020 No.12460737 >>12460709 >>12460717 Yeah that just sounds like someone messing up the grammar honestly

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:22:14 2020 No.12460740 >>12460716 WOAH! haHA

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:23:28 2020 No.12460745 >>12458818 How many launches do you think falcon 9 boosters can take? I know they’re tough, but an engine can only take so many launches before stresses on it become too much There’s one that’s been launched 7 times already. How many more can it take?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:23:34 2020 No.12460746 >>12460716 Tis but a scratch

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:24:00 2020 No.12460750 >>12460745 10

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:24:24 2020 No.12460752 >>12460731 hopefully it is, spacex needs to learn a lesson, and pay dearly for this shoddy operation. absolutely inexcusable safety culture

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:25:06 2020 No.12460757 >>12460745 elon said unlimited

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:25:28 2020 No.12460760 >>12460716 You can see a big dent in the bottom nose panel just to the left of the shadow.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:25:29 2020 No.12460763 >>12460750 100

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:25:47 2020 No.12460765 File: 147 KB, 1085x1317, 02388928-2B96-47E3-BFC2-0E6BB5B20F8D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460752 Shills have been on suicide watch ever since Snate flew

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:27:32 2020 No.12460776 Falcon 9 scrub in 2 minutes

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:28:32 2020 No.12460782

>>12460745
the reuse number doesn't matter as much as the turnaround time between launches and the cost of refurbishment. They could probably keep them going into triple digits if you didn't care about replacing parts or taking forever to get it back up to par for another launch, but I'd say the limit with minimal turnaround time is probably in the middle teens before it starts to need to much attention.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:31:38 2020 No.12460795 >>12460765 who is this goddess?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:32:04 2020 No.12460798 >>12460776 It's in the air nerd

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:32:18 2020 No.12460799

>>12460731
>>12460760
I don't know shit about shit but that's not going to matter. Starship normally has oilcanning dents that size. Also it's the unpressurized section that struck the highbay.

I just hope the hinge is OK and dismantling the flap is a straight forward process.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:32:39 2020 No.12460802

>>12460737
Yeah. I mean for instance, Germans often seem incapable of using the past and present tense in English, and will use "did"/"does" with the basic form of the verb.
So instead of saying "the dog ran" they will say "the dog did run". It's not that it isn't valid English, it's just that the latter form would normally only be used for emphasis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:34:50 2020 No.12460819 When SpaceX scrubs it's for the day When ULA scrubs it's for several months

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:38:12 2020 No.12460834 >>12460802 germans are incapable of a lot more than that

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:39:11 2020 No.12460840 Everyfuckingtime Could you PLEASE put your drone ship cameras somehwre they wont get fucked

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:39:52 2020 No.12460846 They really need to get some better equipment to film these landings though

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:39:59 2020 No.12460848 69 69 69 69 69 69 69

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:40:18 2020 No.12460854 >>12460840 bend over anon

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:40:33 2020 No.12460858 >>12460765 Man, I just want her to sit on my face

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:41:25 2020 No.12460864

>>12460445
kinda bizarre that the engine with the never-before-flown cycle is the one in the air. I mean ffs even the pathfinder engines that ULA is going to attach to their Vulcan prototype aren't actually going to fire.

At first Raptor concerned me a bit because I kinda figured that the Russians in particular dropped the cycle for a reason. But SpaceX seems to have mastered it. It's hard to argue with its performance on SN8

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:43:21 2020 No.12460874 >>12460846 cgi

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:43:54 2020 No.12460877 >>12460716 Crumple zones.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:44:01 2020 No.12460878

>>12460840
It's not the cameras, it's the antenna link. If they're using a directional signal that's going to happen, especially if the other end is almost at the horizon. And she did say something about it being over the horizon. And vibration will fuck up a directional link too.
>>12460846
Like a fucking relay boat or something. I wonder how well Starlink would work under those vibration conditions? Sounds like something they should put in the beta test.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:44:29 2020 No.12460881 >>12460864 shut up fag spacex shill concern trolling about be-4.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:44:36 2020 No.12460883 >>12460776 This comment didnt age well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:44:56 2020 No.12460886 >>12460581 >What were they thinking? "Those SpaceX upstarts are never going to make it, so we'll half-ass it and turn this fixed cost contract into a cost plus contract given time"

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:46:14 2020 No.12460890 >>12460776 Kill yourself ULA shill, delete all your posts

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:51:10 2020 No.12460905 >>12460665 Thats pretty neat desu. I wondered where they had the cameras for the SN8 shots.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:52:43 2020 No.12460911 >>12460864 >At first Raptor concerned me a bit because I kinda figured that the Russians in particular dropped the cycle for a reason Probably because the RD-170 derived engines were already in production and were good enough.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:53:54 2020 No.12460915 >>12460301 I swear to god if HLS gets selected someone is literally going to die on that ridiculous ladder

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:56:22 2020 No.12460921 >>12460716 Best case scenario, replacement wings. Worse case scenario, replacement top.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:57:29 2020 No.12460928 >>12460745 10+ with minimal refurbishment And I think depending on data, they might need to replace some parts like turbo pumps etc after that

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:58:52 2020 No.12460936 File: 150 KB, 500x417, spurdoworried.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460301 ALPACA is easily the best desu. Jim needs to make a decision before he leaves or you know his replacement will choose the oldspace HLS.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:59:24 2020 No.12460939 >>12460915 Wouldn't that be like a 5 foot fall on earth though? If I were one of the astronauts I would just start jumping off the top instead wasting 3 minutes climbing down the ladder.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:04:56 2020 No.12460972 >>12460936 You know that whoever is his replacement will just change to the pork barrel lander, right?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:06:12 2020 No.12460979
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>>12460936
>Kendra Horn gets big Jims seat
>upon reviewing the HLS submissions, we have decided that we will reopen the contract for proposals
>we were just blown away by boeings proposal and have decided that they will be the sole HLS partner going forward

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:06:24 2020 No.12460982 >>12460915 Why don't they save weight by packing a rope ladder

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:09:51 2020 No.12460997 >>12460979 Boink entry was really just HLS lite

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:10:01 2020 No.12460999 >>12460982 Or just have platforms you jump to get on top.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:10:16 2020 No.12461001 >>12460979 Thank God for SpaceX

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:10:53 2020 No.12461002 >>12460716 oof. We need to get a better look a the hinges. With any luck the flap ate all the damage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:10:55 2020 No.12461003 File: 436 KB, 840x859, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460979 >We now need two SLS rockets to accomplish one moon mission

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:11:59 2020 No.12461007 >>12460716 I wanna see the welding fuckup on the stand

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:13:41 2020 No.12461011 >>12461003 Reminder that SLS can't even go to the lunar poles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:17:41 2020 No.12461023 >>12461003 Not including the other SLS launches for the Moon orbiting station that will be used.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:18:53 2020 No.12461028 Next SpaceX launch is for NRO on Dec 17

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:22:45 2020 No.12461038 >>12461028 >RTLS nice

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:23:49 2020 No.12461040 File: 128 KB, 239x372, 1602696809648.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12461028 >It's a RTLS launch

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:24:23 2020 No.12461042

>>12460526
Yes, that's why there are header tanks.
Which has nothing to do with the original discussion whether a starship can structurally survive being laid on its side during a bellyflop or when it is literally filled with nothing but outside air air at ambient pressure after construction.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:25:06 2020 No.12461043 >>12461038 >>12461040 >Stage deploys Christmas lights after landing

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:25:19 2020 No.12461045 >>12461028 Supposedly their last of the year. Is there any chance of a Starlink launch this month?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:26:23 2020 No.12461046 >>12461043 Christmas lights strung from a Falcon stage, maybe the one in Hawthorne, would look pretty sweet

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:30:18 2020 No.12461058 >>12460883 You know what else didn't age well? Your mother

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:30:40 2020 No.12461062 >>12461003 >SLS will be also used to launch the Starliner to the ISS

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:31:21 2020 No.12461064 >>12461046 They better decorate starhopper or I'll be very cross.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:31:46 2020 No.12461065 >>12461062 >Starship is used to launch SLS >SLS Launch System

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:31:57 2020 No.12461068 >>12461058 That attempt was more limp than my dick around YOUR mother.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:33:30 2020 No.12461073 >>12461065 >not going with Starship Launch System

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:33:38 2020 No.12461074 File: 26 KB, 248x1040, Starship Launch System.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12461065

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:34:05 2020 No.12461077 File: 126 KB, 289x1114, 1594478567665.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12461065 >RS25s finally get to enjoy vac performance

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:35:07 2020 No.12461078 File: 112 KB, 610x1516, 1589518876692.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >SLS but with reusable boosters

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:35:47 2020 No.12461079 File: 37 KB, 479x483, 5625CE0B-C018-4BF5-9858-15D7C900C6E2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I’m sure every anon’s mom is a wonderful person and a loving parent. No need for such mean words between friends.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:38:14 2020 No.12461086 File: 119 KB, 1834x1415, 1583088819490.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460288 decided to compare to some other companies. Holy shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:39:42 2020 No.12461090 File: 108 KB, 1840x1325, 1586124466038.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12461086 wow, I just noticed >penalty total >over 1 BILLION nice going, boing >hey guys, remember how we said we wouldn't be evil? >about that....

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:40:32 2020 No.12461092 >>12461045 Probably not. I think they're giving some week long vacation for christmas/new years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:42:06 2020 No.12461098 File: 121 KB, 1820x1480, 1581814012613.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12461090 oh god

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:42:24 2020 No.12461099 >>12461090 that's alphabet google is a different entity under them not that it matters anymore as that line has been struck

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:43:07 2020 No.12461102 >>12460563 >I have to doubledown on previous predictions rather than just be pleasantly surprised to be wrong. Being a retard incapable of learning is now a requirement for having a youtube account?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:43:30 2020 No.12461104

I just find it funny that the whole point of constellation was to have a crew variant and a cargo variant (presumably to launch gateway pieces and the landers). They then went to SLS to simplify it so that crew and landers could be launched on the same design. And now every Artemis lander is basically like yeah fuck that, we will launch it to the Moon on our own rocket

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:43:56 2020 No.12461105

>>12461090
when companies get to a certain size, they actively weigh these fines against the profits they can make by breaking the law and just go with whatever makes the most money. It's pretty terrible. Basically the government put a price and employee safety and some companies are willing to pay that price rather than pay to implement the safety measures.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:44:21 2020 No.12461106
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>>12461086
>>12461090
Communism has a point about amoral Capitalism, but turning to godless heathens like Marx is not the answer. I wish someone would go Teddy Roosevelt on their ass though desu.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:44:56 2020 No.12461112
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>SpaceX now has two rockets that have flown 7 times
>It is now out of the norm for a Falcon 9 core to have less than two flights under its belt
Holy shit how can OldSpace compete?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:47:13 2020 No.12461117

>>12461104
I think dynetic’s concept art shows ALPACA riding up on SLS but yeah... Starship would fly up via super heavy and orbital refueling. And HLS will have new glenn. Dynetics will probably tell SLS to fuck off if they get chosen in the final round.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:47:25 2020 No.12461118

>>12461112
SpaceX is fake. Elon Musk is not an engineer. He's just a face of SpaceX. Real credit should be given to the cats/rats that eat up the pesticides which allows us to grow food and then allows us to sell it the market where the SpaceX employees are able to be healthy and work on whatever fake rockets they are doing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:48:08 2020 No.12461125 >Boca Chica nativity scene with SN's welcoming Starhopper

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:49:28 2020 No.12461128 >>12461118 Okay, Kamala

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:50:18 2020 No.12461133 >>12461118 Elon Musk and SpaceX are now so powerfull that the only way old space can "retaliate" is to employ /x/-tier schizo's to associate SpaceX with these losers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:51:06 2020 No.12461138 >>12461102 Sorta seems that way sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:51:16 2020 No.12461139 >>12461118 yeah yeah whatever, btw how is your gender studies degree going?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:54:16 2020 No.12461149 >>12461118 Have you considered HRT, Thunderf00t?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:56:34 2020 No.12461154 >>12461117 Nope, ALPACA goes up on a vulcan, not SLS

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:57:14 2020 No.12461155 >>12461133 Literally this

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:57:52 2020 No.12461159 >>12461154 What even is the purpose of SLS then? Gateway is going up on commercial rockets. Landers are going on commercial rockets. Orion is tied to SLS I guess but it could absolutely be launched by other means.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:57:58 2020 No.12461160

>>12461118
>Elon Musk is not an engineer
Engineers are retarded. Anyone who actually is an engineer or knows them sees this on a daily basis. Engineers also suck at business unless they’re trained in it. 98% of the engineers I know are stereotypical NEETS who are savants or just cheat on their homework.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:58:37 2020 No.12461162 >>12461159 Jobs

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:58:44 2020 No.12461163 >>12461159 It's welfare for boeing and huntsville

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:59:06 2020 No.12461166 >>12461159 It’s supposed to carry Onion to the moon

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:00:16 2020 No.12461171 >>12459690 Raptors performed flawlessly with SN8 you fucker.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:02:34 2020 No.12461186

>>12461105
Just introduce some kind of score which is automatically increased by violations, each adding a number of points depending on severity. Once the score reaches a certain threshold it's nationalization time. Possibly also add some way to reduce the score but those fuckers will do anything physically possible to abuse that so that would be tricky.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:04:12 2020 No.12461196

>>12461171
>Raptors start eating themselves alive for a solid 10 seconds
>THE ENGINES WORKED PERFECTLY
>Everything after the flip was a bonus anyways heh heh
>It was just running engine-rich XD
God damn Elon should hire you fucks to help move the bluezilla crane. You obviously have enough experience moving the goal post.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:05:25 2020 No.12461199 >>12461196 SN8s landing issue was with the header tanks, not the engines

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:05:56 2020 No.12461203 >>12461196 Engines performed flawlessly. Fluid dynamics and header tanks didn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:06:38 2020 No.12461205 >>12461196 I wouldn't be your friend.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:07:17 2020 No.12461206 >>12461196 Lol you’re the one moving goalposts. Elon was happy that SN8 survived its initial bellyflop, let alone relight the engines.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:07:59 2020 No.12461210 >>12461205 :(

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:09:34 2020 No.12461212
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Why don't they just put wings (foldable maybe) on the aircrafts instead of having to use fuel or a thick heavy heat shield for slowing down when coming into the atmosphere? Just descend slow enough that all the generated heat has time to dissipate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:12:40 2020 No.12461224 File: 3 KB, 97x116, 1375865520745.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12461212 >Just descend slow enough that all the generated heat has time to dissipate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:13:54 2020 No.12461228 >>12461212 You have to slow down from 27000 MPH, you'd be in the upper atmosphere for days/weeks

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:14:41 2020 No.12461232 >>12461228 I'm sure heat dissipates faster than that

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:16:18 2020 No.12461238 File: 47 KB, 633x480, 1374324040783.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12461232 Retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:16:24 2020 No.12461240 >>12461212 >wings have to be made of watermelonium to not disintegrate Shuttle proved why even a semi complex geometry fucks safety hardcore. Heat tiles would be a shitheap of weird custom shapes

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:17:04 2020 No.12461245 >>12461232 Evan an SR71 has to deal with the stresses from heat and air friction for brief missions. How will any plane sustain flight for days over 10,000 MPH?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:17:21 2020 No.12461246 >>12461196 Livestream your suicide and post the link on /b/ faggot, i'll be waiting

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:19:00 2020 No.12461251 >>12461246 Brooo I was just shitposting, god damn man

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:19:10 2020 No.12461252 >>12461196 Pressure issues are much easier to fix than a cutting edge rocket engine having a major flaw.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:19:20 2020 No.12461253 >>12461159 EVERYTHING will launch on SLS EVERYTHING

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:20:07 2020 No.12461257 >>12461251 Its hard to tell the difference between the shills on twitter and youtube and the shills on /sfg/ sometimes

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:21:18 2020 No.12461262 File: 2.62 MB, 4032x3024, 85991061-22B5-4BC2-8D0F-DC27ECC6F867.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Guys Starliner just flew over my house...it’s over SpaceX bro’s...we lost

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:21:56 2020 No.12461269 >>12461253 Well god damn, someone get this man a job

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:23:11 2020 No.12461275 >Planned by 2019 Did we get too cocky ULA bros? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqCTK7BmLHA

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:25:04 2020 No.12461282 >>12461275 >Vulcan has been in development longer than Starship Holy fuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:28:25 2020 No.12461289 >>12461275 ACES and refueling seem cool. They should scrap the rest and just put it on the starship

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:32:03 2020 No.12461304 >>12460355 Older than spacex.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:33:17 2020 No.12461308 >>12461232 not in a near vacuum haha

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:33:26 2020 No.12461309 >>12461289 ACES was canned

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:34:19 2020 No.12461311 >>12461275 Vulcan is just a substitute. Once the Space Launch System is mass produced, we will bring end to SpaceX in no time!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:35:49 2020 No.12461314 >>12461309 Isn't back on the menu after some nasa contracts?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:36:49 2020 No.12461317

>>12459469
>>12459480
No you idiots, if they launch and it fails then it will be a news papers feeding frenzy "ANOTHER FAILED TEST BY MUSK, YET HE CLAIMS IT WENT WELL, WHY DOES THIS GUY LIES TO US WE CLEARLY SAW IT EXPLODE"

I dont think musk is happy anymore about his opennes about development, chinese-russian spies must be way too close for comfort and the general public just fpays no attention until theres something wrong

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:40:32 2020 No.12461333 >>12461011 Reminder it can't even insert Orion into lunar orbit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:42:44 2020 No.12461342 File: 310 KB, 750x1056, rcstarship_detail.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://hackaday.com/2020/12/13/rc-starship-perfects-its-skydiving-routine/

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:44:44 2020 No.12461350 >>12461317 No U, Idiot! If Snine fails, it will be fault of the bay accident. If fresh off the factory SN10 fails, well, what will Musky say?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:46:15 2020 No.12461357 >>12461275 it's blue origin's fault for taking forever to deliver BE4's

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:47:49 2020 No.12461360 >>12461282 Space is hard. Traditional ways to safely fly into space are even harder.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:48:38 2020 No.12461362

>>12461350
>If fresh off the factory SN10 fails
If SN10 fails then spacex truly did fuck something up.
But if SN9 fails spacex did nothing wrong and it will be perceived as a fuck up, free fuck up

at least go trough sn10 trough 14 and then if you have time launch sn9 before launching 15 to "test the resilience of a crashed starship for launching again"

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:53:31 2020 No.12461378 >>12461350 That it's okay for prototypes of revolutionary spacecraft to fail?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:55:23 2020 No.12461387 >>12461362 By the time they get through 10 to 14, launching Snine just for the shits and giggles, will really only mean that Musk have to much time, and too many raptors, in his hands.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:57:39 2020 No.12461394 can they remove the raptors from SN9 if they decide they don't want to launch it? Or is integrating a raptor a irreversible process?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 14:58:58 2020 No.12461397 >>12459215 they're nothing but a liability in 1g but that hasn't stopped them

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:00:01 2020 No.12461401

Given that starships are dirt chip by spaceflight standards, wouldn't it make sense for at least the first mars missions to be composed of an armada of them of which few are crewed, for extra redundancy?

for 1/4 the cost of the apollo program you could send say, 100 starships with equipment to the martian surface on the first go and 100 starships on the next window

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:02:19 2020 No.12461408 >>12459215 humans have way bigger boobs than any other great ape for reasons not quite understood (probably sexual selection), so it's not likely that gravity is really a determinant factor there

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:02:19 2020 No.12461409 >>12461394 They can remove them as they please. Remember that SN8 already got her raptors replaced before.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:17:23 2020 No.12461439

>>12461408
>humans have way bigger boobs than any other great ape for reasons not quite understood
i think the theory that it's an emulation of the butt which is hard coded to be atractive but with the added advantage that it encourages frontal encounter which is very good for a social species has a lot of merit to it.
Even the small ones seem to be quite functional too for the baby, like it really fits

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:18:52 2020 No.12461441 >>12461394 They usually replace raptors 1-4 times depending on when they decide to eat themselves

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:19:18 2020 No.12461442 >>12461275 I really want to see Vulcan fly next year.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:22:05 2020 No.12461450 >>12460705 why would an attractive woman become an astronaut?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:26:07 2020 No.12461456 >>12461199 it's always something. call me when a raptor does eat itself at the end of a test

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:26:21 2020 No.12461458 >>12460621 international standards, like FDA, EU MDD etc...

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:27:41 2020 No.12461462

>>12459072
>If the impact transferred a decent amount of force into the tank, it's probably fucked

Remember that the current alloy is strongest at the welds, and steel doesn't fatigue or crack like aluminum does. Even if it did damage the pressure vessel, they can literally hammer out the dents and weld on/in patches to repair any punctures and it'd be even stronger than it was when it was first built.

Even if they don't fly it, I'll bet they do this and pressure test it to see just how resilient and repairable the design actually is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:39:33 2020 No.12461498 >>12461199 >>12461203 >>12461205 >>12461246 >>12461206 >>12461252 Stop replying to obvious bait you fucks. I wish I could call you all the n word, but this is 4chan, where it's banned.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:40:13 2020 No.12461500 >>12460705 Mae Jamison was cute AF

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 15:53:11 2020 No.12461529 >>12460716 Totaled Starship is done for Another big win for the SLS

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:01:52 2020 No.12461557 are current Starship prototypes made from 301 or 304 stainless steel? Can't remember.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:02:53 2020 No.12461566 >>12460716 OH NO NO NO NO NO NO musk is finished! sold all my tesla after this

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:02:56 2020 No.12461568 >>12461557 didn't elon or someone announce they moved to 304 because of something wrong with 301

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:03:05 2020 No.12461569 >>12461275 I remember that Elon bet he would eat his hat if Vulcan flew before a particular date, what was it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:04:12 2020 No.12461577 >>12461568 something like that, yeah. I just can't remember if they went 301 ->304 or the other way around. And I know that they're working on their own custom alloy too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:06:34 2020 No.12461587 >>12460716 It's over for spacex.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:07:37 2020 No.12461591 >>12461568 8 and 9 should 304. One of the previous ones was a hybrid of some kind that had problems with leaks because of mixing them up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:11:39 2020 No.12461607 File: 1.16 MB, 1920x1080, detecs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] they're multiplying....

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:12:57 2020 No.12461610 >>12461569 >Maybe that plan works out, but I will seriously eat my hat with a side of mustard if that rocket flies a national security spacecraft before 2023.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:14:20 2020 No.12461614 >>12461607 That's a lot of flying saucers.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:15:25 2020 No.12461618

>>12461568
All starships were 301 stainless up until the SN7 tanks and sn8,. Afterwards, all will be 304L and eventually a custom variant of 304L.

The reasoning for why they used 301 at first is it has both excellent cryo strength and is one of if not the best stainless steels at high temperatures. However, 301 stainless is somewhat brittle at cryo temps, and 304L is almost as strong, but more ductile and tougher, while being easier to weld.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:15:27 2020 No.12461619 >>12461591 I thought SN8 was the hybrid and subsequent prototypes will be all 304 (at least until they switch to 30X)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:15:57 2020 No.12461620 File: 857 KB, 4608x3456, spacegradeplank.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Explain this, /sci/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:17:02 2020 No.12461623 >>12461619 Could be that my memory is fuzzy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:17:18 2020 No.12461626 >>12461620 Howard Hughesing it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:17:20 2020 No.12461627 File: 154 KB, 1300x868, getJPEG-2-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12461607 Pedro forgot to turn off the bulkhead machine. He should have learned to pay attention after his fuck up at the nose cone machine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:18:14 2020 No.12461631 >>12461620 i can't....you win

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:26:45 2020 No.12461646 >>12461610 Thanks, that's still on then

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:31:11 2020 No.12461660 >>12461620 Industry standard support for moving and supporting shit during moves. Did you think we moved billion dollar oil rigs around using custom jacks or anything? No, we use fucking scrap wood and shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:33:11 2020 No.12461669 >>12461397 But they aren't. They attract males. Sure, they're functionally detrimental to the female but they aren't just a liability. It's a trade-off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:35:22 2020 No.12461671 >>12461462 >and weld on/in patches to repair any punctures Would be a nice simulation of a potential repairs scenario on Mars. Not quite 1:1 but still some data.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:41:11 2020 No.12461687 >>12461618 it'll be interesting to see what custom solution they'll go for. Or maybe they'll just keep with the 304 because it's cheap as dirt >>12461660 is wood really that strong? Sorry for the dumb question but I know nothing about this shit

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:43:25 2020 No.12461692

>>12461687
Strong enough. When you stack an oil rig module on top of it, you generally don't stand it on end of a 4 by 4 or whatever that is like that though.
But it is the industry standard material for what goes under the fucking rigs when they're moved out.

The wood is pretty fucking dense when you're done with it though.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 16:46:36 2020 No.12461701

>>12461627
>open the door to the dome factory
>blood-piercing screams as people drown in an unending torrent of self-replicating domes
>close door and walk away.
>few hours later a breach.
>they are spreading
>quickly place themselves over military assets and buildings
>military arms the nukes.
>can't launch because the silos are now covered by domes

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:00:12 2020 No.12461731 why does tory bruno seem smart in some ways but all his tours feel like marketing/sales schticks? then he says some really dumb shit like you need 10 flights for booster reuse to break even.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:02:43 2020 No.12461733 >>12461731 Because his business is making tanks, he buys everything else from 3rd parties. He needs 10 flights or more to break even.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:04:16 2020 No.12461738 Will spacex ever fuck around and launch a F9 or FH from Boca? Or would it take too much infrastructure and be a waste of time

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:08:29 2020 No.12461751 >>12461620 delightfully counterintuitive

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:09:17 2020 No.12461753

>>12461738

Boca Chica is the place where Starship and the S-Heavy booster are developed, it isnt a functioning cosmodrome in the sense you can launch regular rockets from.

Like you said, it would too much time, effort and money to build the necessary infrastructure to turn it into one at the moment. Maybe in the future when Starship is done, then it might be converted into some sort of cosmodrome.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:11:00 2020 No.12461764

>>12461738
Waste of time and money. F9 is built to require pretty conventional pad infrastructure, albeit still a cleaner pad than shuttle or ULA. Superheavy+Starship seems to be aiming for a pretty minimal pad approach which is why they can build and launch it on >a fucking beach

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:12:43 2020 No.12461772

>>12461753
>>12461764
Yeah that makes sense. Falcon will most likely be phased out after Artemis anyways. Unrelated question but is Boca going to be a full cosmodrome in the future, in the sense that they will he building and launching and landing and fixing starship all in one place?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:14:53 2020 No.12461782

>>12461731
People aren't always 100% smart across the board. Bruno is clearly better than your average CEO, but that doesn't mean he's perfect

>you need 10 flights for booster reuse to break even.
I'd be interested to hear this reasoning, though. If I had to guess I'd say he held some assumptions that aren't necessarily true. When you're in a field for a long time you start to accept the way it is, even is some aspects of it aren't logical. Look at the Challenger investigation, for instance. It took an outsider to identify the problem because those in the field were blind to the issue.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:16:55 2020 No.12461794 >>12461782 Even Elon himself said that to break even, you need to launch a booster twice. From third launch onwards, it starts paying for itself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:18:52 2020 No.12461801 >>12461794 the strange thing is that Bruno's rockets use expensive shit like isogrids while SpaceX generally tries to go cheaper. So surely reusing a ULA rocket would be even more lucrative because you get to keep all of the pricey hardware.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:20:11 2020 No.12461802 >>12461753 >it isnt a functioning cosmodrome in the sense you can launch regular rockets from. Yet. If you think Elon is going to funnel all the Mars colony flights through KSC you're smoking crack.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:21:08 2020 No.12461807 Try to come up with excuses for the 2b budget and 24 year dev time on Canadarm 3

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:21:18 2020 No.12461808 >>12461607 Where is this "Raptor Cam" from?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:22:18 2020 No.12461811 >>12461687 Wood is used to support heavy shit without damaging the object you're holding, since the wood is softer than metal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:22:23 2020 No.12461813 >>12461801 how is Vulcan not DOA in a future where New Glenn (humor me) and Starship are flying? SMART reuse is a meme and I'd be surprised if ULA ever persues it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:22:52 2020 No.12461814 >>12461620 Is there anything a block of wood can't fix?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:23:25 2020 No.12461816 >>12461772 Probably, yes. Raptors will be made in hawthorne along with things like avionics and probably specialty weldments/machined parts, but tanks+assembly will happen at boca.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:26:28 2020 No.12461821 File: 984 KB, 800x449, new_historychannel_show.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12461607

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:28:18 2020 No.12461829 >>12461821 swaztika is a nice touch lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:28:50 2020 No.12461831 >>12461821 laughed, and stolen. Good post

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:29:39 2020 No.12461833 >>12461807 Cover for off the books military expenditures. But it's in leaf land so eh.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:31:59 2020 No.12461841 >>12461807 Surely it's not 24 before actual development and production but it contains all the expenses of maintaing it until its expected service, say, 4 years of building it and 20 of usage and maintenance?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:32:06 2020 No.12461842 is SpaceX's youtube gonna trim the SN8 test so it isnt 2 hours of holding??

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:33:01 2020 No.12461846 >>12461807 space is hard eh

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:33:54 2020 No.12461848 >>12461842 No, they assume people have basic common sense. Ofcourse that assumption may be wrong with regards you to. Avg IQ of 100 is required to use youtube anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:33:58 2020 No.12461849 >>12461807 canada should be fucking banned from space. why exactly havent we annexed them?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:34:00 2020 No.12461850 >>12461620 top fucking kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:36:49 2020 No.12461860 >>12461848 Actually I'm a super genius, with a higher IQ then you. Have sex incel

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:36:56 2020 No.12461861 >>12461849 Chyna was faster

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:39:05 2020 No.12461875 >>12461849 >why exactly havent we annexed them? Had to clean out more of the deep state first. Wait a few months.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:56:37 2020 No.12461922

>>12461738
>>12461772
Waste of time, Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy will still probably have launches until the late 2020s for existing contracts, but they would have no reason to launch from Boca Chica.
>>12461802
Both Boca Chica will have relatively few starship flights, maybe one per week at best. Elon eventually plans to launch the vast majority of starships from offshore launch pads, this will allow the kind of insane launch cadence that will be required to fuel thousands of starships in orbit before the fleet departs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:01:05 2020 No.12461930 >>12461821 Kino

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:04:12 2020 No.12461938 >>12461821 Based image

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:09:13 2020 No.12461947 >>12461821 History channel still showing endless WWII documentaries lmao. Actually does the channel even exist? What does it do now?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:13:10 2020 No.12461960 File: 161 KB, 807x649, Rok.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] /sfg/'s first interstellar colon ship

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:14:55 2020 No.12461969 >>12461960 That doesn't look like it was built from intestines

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:15:28 2020 No.12461970 File: 111 KB, 1200x1200, 1551192772167.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12460765 lubriciously pantagruelian udders. would like to see them liberated and swinging freely.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:18:21 2020 No.12461980

>>12461738
F9 is a prima donna compared to the base launch site requirements for starship.
Sure, F9 boosters can land on a barge in the sea, but they then need some serious checups for saltwater damage.
Starship is going to launch on a pad on sea and land on pad an open sea, at least they are building the thing with these requirements in mind.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:18:56 2020 No.12461984 >>12461960 >not painting the Roks purple

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:25:46 2020 No.12462003 >>12461849 Do you really want to give Canadians a voice on how the United States should function?

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:25:46 2020 No.12462004

>>12459566
>without exposure
Exposure is the time the sensor/film is exposed.
You can dial it up or down however you like, but no exposure = no image.
Usualy DSLRs can do between 1/4000 and 30 seconds (longer in bulb-mode).
With an electronic shutter you can go faster, but introduce a lot of rolling shutter.
And then there is the issue with lenses that can have quite different speeds:
>f/5.6
typical zoom-lens on the long side
>f/4.0
typical zoom lens on the short side
>f/2.8
many primes, a few rather expensive zoom lenses
>f/2.0
Mostly primes and realy few zoom lenses
>F/1.4
A few prime lenses, usualy normal lenses or short telephoto
>f/1.0
Rare as fuck and insanely expensive.
>f/0.7
Zeiss made 10 of these for NASA, two ended up in Stanley Kubrics hand to film in candle light with 200 ISO filmstock.

Each step above is 2x as much light, meaning the Zeiss Planar f/0.7 is 32 times as bright as your typical kit-lens at the same focal length.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:27:54 2020 No.12462014 >>12461922 how exactly do offshore launch pads = high cadence?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:31:32 2020 No.12462025 >>12462014 The only thing I can think of is that they wouldn’t have to constantly rely on FAA and NOAA clearance every single time they want to launch.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:40:48 2020 No.12462044 >>12462014 what this anon said >>12462025

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:41:40 2020 No.12462046 >>12461240 But you don't need any special tiles, ordinary steel will easily be good enough with wings

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:42:42 2020 No.12462047 >>12461245 The air pressure is lower up high, this means that less air particles are impacting your craft at that 10 000mph which means less heat

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 19:01:24 2020 No.12462076 >>12461960 >colon ship I don't know, anon, that seems kind of shitty.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:14:05 2020 No.12462248 File: 55 KB, 591x338, Screenshot 2020-12-13 201254.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >muh inspiration for women

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:24:33 2020 No.12462272 why can't ESA build a manned spacecraft

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:26:43 2020 No.12462280 >>12462272 Muh international partnerships

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:26:52 2020 No.12462281 >>12462272 Funny you should ask. They're planning to fly one by 2023 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Rider

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:33:29 2020 No.12462299 File: 63 KB, 1412x708, columbus-hermes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12462272 Imagine the bureaucracy facing NASA and then times it by 10

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:34:52 2020 No.12462303 >>12462004 I have an f/1.2 50mm and it's my favorite lens

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:36:38 2020 No.12462311 >>12462281 >Crew: None (robotic only)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:36:40 2020 No.12462312 >>12461620 A 4x4 post has good compressive strength and can hold a decent amount of load

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:38:09 2020 No.12462316 Thread has staged. Ignition: >>12462315 >>12462315 >>12462315

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:39:27 2020 No.12462318 File: 66 KB, 554x554, images (7).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw skilled welder >tfw not american Elon gib green card pls I want to weld rockets.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:55:31 2020 No.12462361 >>12459779 Not complex, that's just what it looks like from Earth's frame of reference. Orbital mechanics can be mostly eyeballed, unless you're trying to do some autistic ultra-low-energy maneuver.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:58:37 2020 No.12462381 >>12462299 >>12462272 imagine SLS only instead of dividing the tasks over many states its over many COUNTRIES

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 21:02:05 2020 No.12462395 >>12459932 >>12460181 If you watch the video it's pretty clear that the fire is the mylar insulation itself burning, didn't actually hurt anything but in the future they'll need different wrapping material.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 21:03:19 2020 No.12462401 >>12460258 He said "I can't see damage", not "I see there is no damage".

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 21:26:32 2020 No.12462482

>>12461342
>https://hackaday.com/2020/12/13/rc-starship-perfects-its-skydiving-routine/
>Nick Rehm
This fucking faggot is still at it. Hes a code-stealing ass-hat that couldn't engineer his way through an open door. 99% of "his" designs are from someone else he tricked into designing and ran off with the results. This dude really needs to either get some jail time for fraud or taken into a back alley and fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 21:28:37 2020 No.12462489 >>12462248 >he doesn't want the new generations of men to have wives like Shotwell

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 21:45:55 2020 No.12462557 >>12461401 underated comment

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