/sfg/ - Space Flight General: Martian Moss Edition

[Anonymous No.12304840]

Previous: >>12302028

lmao the last one got nuked by jannies for being too political

[Anonymous No.12304844]

What's wrong with discussion of politics related to space.

[Anonymous No.12304845]

>>12304840
Based Lori Garver vs Boeing Kendra Horn.
YOU DECIDE /SFG/

[Anonymous No.12304848]

>>12304844
There is no nuance. If you want to talk about Trump and Biden, talk about what you think their thoughts are on the intricacy of staged combustion engines

[Anonymous No.12304849]

Hey /sfg/ time for a quick survey
>Country
>Age
>Education/job
>Fav rocket
>Most beautiful rocket
>When will humans land on mars

[Anonymous No.12304850]

>>12304844
it's not that bad, unless you take it too far.
Jannies rule with an iron fist

[Anonymous No.12304851]

>>12304845
Despair either way.

[Anonymous No.12304853]

>>12304849
USA
24
Systems Analyst
N1
V2
2035

[Anonymous No.12304854]

>>12304849
>US
>26
>Code monkey
>Space Shuttle (especially the RS-25)
>2040

[Anonymous No.12304855]

>>12304849
Finland
18
Student
Falcon 9
Falcon 9
after 2030 I'd say

[Anonymous No.12304860]

>>12304849
>Land of ISRO
>20
>Senior year, aerospace
>Falcon 9
>Saturn V
>2026 if Starship works out

[Anonymous No.12304862]

>earthscience priority
>the radical "planetary" protectionists that hate cars, starlink and multi generational colonies off-earth get massive influence boost
>international partnership prioritization, restrictions upon unrestrained capitalism in space
>reinforcement of the OST as a sign of friendship with other nations and a counter to all the voices from the US that talked about pulling out of it these last few years

What else?

[Anonymous No.12304864]

>>12304845
The former private spaceflight and colonies the latter hates private spaceflight and colonies.
Sounds like a trick choice.

[Anonymous No.12304866]

>>12304862
I think starlink is too deep into pentagon pockets to have anything happen to it and the emotional side of "but it's ruining the night sky" doesn't hold up to actual scrutiny when things like airplanes and urban light pollution already exist.
The rest of those things almost certainly will happen, though.

[Anonymous No.12304867]

>>12304864
Former is founder of
>Earth Alliance
>owens female only fellowship
>Takes credit for everything

[Anonymous No.12304868]

>>12304864
>the former hates*

[Anonymous No.12304870]

>>12304866
tldr; great filter'd

[Anonymous No.12304871]

>>12304868
She was the one who pushed Charlie "SLS is right here" Bolden to pursue commercial space

[Anonymous No.12304877]

>>12304864
You'd be surprised. There is a lot of Garver hate here, and rightly so. it's true she has no love for Boeing, yet Horn is drooling for Boeing.

Garver is the lesser of two evils. She stood up for commercial over sole sourced cost plus Boeing subsidies under Bolden. She fought Bolden on his gay love for SLS

[Anonymous No.12304881]

>>12304871
>>12304877
Strictly for political reasons that have little to do with spaceflight. Her recent opinions on the whole space barons thing are telling. We are in for a wild ride.

[Anonymous No.12304887]

>>12304866
>emotional side of "but it's ruining the night sky" doesn't hold up to actual scrutiny when things like airplanes and urban light pollution already exist
This. Astronomers have been complaining about urban light pollution for years, yet they never called for any action against it. Starlink is just a convenient target for popularity.

[Anonymous No.12304892]

Anon who's casting htpb fuel grain here. Turns out that a large part of my cast may have actually set, but I still have the issue of the bore rod being stuck inside. It is a wooden dowel rod. I had it wrapped in wax paper thinking that the rubber wouldn't bond to it, but I was wrong. I considered burning it out and hoping that it doesn't affect the rubber, but that seems risky. Still can't open the case so I can't just open it up and push the rod from the other side.

Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.12304896]

>>12304887
SpaceX saved themselves with sunshades. It doesn't matter if it still has .whatever% effect on astronomical observation, for the populace out of sight is out of mind. They can't whip up a populist movement anymore and DoD interest guards the program from up top.

[Anonymous No.12304899]

>>12304892
Saw the dowel short then drill it out.

[Anonymous No.12304900]

>>12304887
The difference is they can't do anything about city lights and telescopes tend to be built far away from them anyway. Private company filling orbit with junk for the sake of selling internet however is a very different tale and it has rightfully garnered so much backlash globally.

Now that there will be big administration change I hope we get to see either some serious solutions or at least some upper limit to the number of satellites in LEO before we ruin astronomy. Starlink's just the start and if not controlled now we might really reach a point where telescope are rendered dysfunctional because the sky is buzzing with stuff whose purpose is let people watch netflix.

[Anonymous No.12304903]

>>12304887
The sky is for everyone, not just astronomers.
Can some anon post that dark side of moon filled with lights

[Anonymous No.12304907]

>>12304900
cry more, grounder

[Anonymous No.12304909]

>>12304899
The case is over 2 feet long. I don't think there is a drill bit long enough for that.

[Anonymous No.12304912]

>>12304900
providing internet to under-serviced regions globally is orders of magnitude greater as a social good than protecting ground-based astronomy from having to filter out some more noise—something they've already been doing for a long time. The only real victim is dumb long-exposure astrophotography which is a lame gimmick for artistically vacant instagram photographers anyway.

[Anonymous No.12304914]

>>12304909
Sorry, just over a foot long. I don't know why I thought it was over 2 feet long.

[Anonymous No.12304915]

>>12304845
Need to set some shit straight:

under Lori Garver
>leans heavily in favor of newspace/commercial
>despises cost plus contracts and SLS
>will focus on Earth science
>will deprioritize manned spaceflight and robotic missions
>will deprioritize or even cancel Artemis

under Kendra Horn
>leans heavily in favor of oldspace, particularly Boeing
>in love with cost plus/sole sourcing, especially in regards to Boeing integrated landers
>proposed the bill that requires use of SLS, EUS, and (Boeing's) integrated lander for Artemis
>will deprioritize but not cancel Artemis, with less focus on commercial competition

[Anonymous No.12304917]

Hey anon from >>12304784 , thank you again. Finally someone knowledgeable in this thread. I hope you are here now that the other thread got deleted.
I found this image that explains the steps, but I don't really get the barycentre correction and why it is needed. Could you please help again?

[Anonymous No.12304919]

>>12304909
Shouldn't such long motors be built out of segments?

[Anonymous No.12304920]

>>12304915
see >>12304851

[Anonymous No.12304922]

>>12304881
I saw the tweet Elon responded to, but is there more evidence that her decision was political? I'm curious. Horn is an open book, we know she fucking loves Boeing. Garver seems more scheming

[Anonymous No.12304925]

>>12304912
based! fuck amateur astroniggers

[Anonymous No.12304928]

>>12304919
I found it easier to cast it as one piece. It was inspired by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI8gdmjEwKc in general dimensions.

[Anonymous No.12304931]

>>12304914
There most certainly is a drill bit that long, you just don't have it and neither do I.
I'd have to see it to figure out a better way. Just take it slow and work from either end if they are both open. need shorter tools then.

[Anonymous No.12304934]

>>12304845
>>12304915
What the fuck is this choice bros

[Anonymous No.12304942]

>>12304934

[Anonymous No.12304959]

>>12304849
>Country
Argentina
>Age
22
>Educaton/job
Physics student
>Fav rocket
I don't want to admit it but I'm going to have to go with the Falcon 9. Just because of what it signifies and will signify: an entrance into a new era of spaceflight.
>Most beautiful rocket
Pic related, the Proton. Fuck you if you think it is ugly. Just look at that ass!
>When will humans land on mars
Hopefully 2030 at the latest

[Anonymous No.12304965]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ptPdlVAwFg

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[Anonymous No.12304970]

>>12304931
Thank you for your suggestion. I'll try to open the other end so I can drill out both sides. The issue is that the closed end is sealed with gasket sealant which is difficult to crack open.

[Anonymous No.12304999]

>>12304970
i would reccomend acetone to weaken it as long as its not resistant to it. Then you can reseal after all the work is done. Very precise with the chemicals though. don't wanna weaken too much.

[Anonymous No.12305006]

Why were the rocket survey posts deleted?

[Anonymous No.12305037]

>>12304892
Try twisting the rod for the starters. If it moves, you can then pull it out that way. If it doesn't, the casting shrank and it's jammed for good and you need to drill it out.

[Anonymous No.12305039]

>>12305006
surveyposting is /soc/ shit

[Anonymous No.12305051]

>>12304909
There is drill bits this long, we use them for getting wires in existing walls in houses. They’re metal rods with a small auger on the end. 4 feet. 80$ tho

[Anonymous No.12305064]

Martian Regolith Hive Cities

[Anonymous No.12305068]

>>12304931
>>12304999
I'm not sure if the gasket sealant is resistant to acetone, but I can give it a try. Also here is what the case looks like.
>>12305037
Twisting didn't work. It's suck in there good.
>>12305051
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.12305069]

fusion enhanced antimatter rocket motors with supplemtal superfluid metallic helium aerospikes

pretend i typed this in all caps

[Anonymous No.12305072]

>>12304915

[Anonymous No.12305077]

>>12305072
>reject blue pill
>take srb pill

[Anonymous No.12305084]

Why is airlaunch even a concept when we have fuckin balloons??? Riddle me that

[Anonymous No.12305093]

>>12305084
Did you know New Glenn can fly twice as high as the highest weather balloon? I'd like to see Elon do that

[Anonymous No.12305106]

>>12305068
Oh its metal exterior. You can try wicking acetone into the threads to disolve it but pretty likely to do something to the rubber inside at that point. Put it in a vice and apply gradual heat to melt the gasket maker while applying torque to unscrew it.

Then you have your access and even easier than i first pictured to reseal it.

[Anonymous No.12305122]

>>12305077

[Anonymous No.12305132]

>>12305122
You forgot N2O/Vodka fuelblend orbital assemblies and homemade fission reactor powered plasma magnet sails

[Anonymous No.12305134]

>>12305084
You would need a gigantic balloon to lift a rocket, and an airplane will give you 0.25 km/s initial speed.

[Anonymous No.12305153]

>>12305134
>balloon tank

[Anonymous No.12305155]

>>12304917
This page from GSFC (https://fermi.gsfc.nasa.gov/ssc/data/analysis/documentation/Cicerone/Cicerone_Pulsars/barycentric_correction.html)) gives a better description, but essentially the barycentric correction is to ensure the pulsar and the spacecraft are both in an inertial frame, to correct for the relativistic effects introduced by the gravitational well of our solar system, and whatever system the pulsar is in.

[Anonymous No.12305207]

If Biden axes the space program than it's fucking war. No excuses. No forgiveness.

I can forgive the assault weapon restrictions, the relaxed immigration policy in an already severely unbalanced immigration flux, and the woefully unrealistic environmental mandates.

But if you condemn mankind to die on this rock then we will drag you kicking and screaming to hell.

Space or death.

Ad astra

[Anonymous No.12305209]

>>12305207
Cringe. NASA is already in the shitter anon. Jim is a glimmer of hope but we will always have spacex

[Anonymous No.12305211]

>>12305207
Given the blatant the voter fraud going on at the moment, and the fact that Trump seems unwilling to ignore it, there may be war before Biden gets the chance.

[Anonymous No.12305213]

>>12305207
>if Biden wins then he'll gut NASA and spaceflight is over
[laughs in newspace]

[Anonymous No.12305214]

JIM BRIDENSTINE BIG JIM BIG JIM BIG JIM

i dont wanna see him go bros im fucking crying

[Anonymous No.12305215]

>>12305207
Nasa is fundamentally designed to pour money into lobby-backed corporations, plus trying to screw over the space industry will piss off Musk, Bezos and the military. He won't do shit other than some maybe pushing SLS a few years down the line(which will happen regardless of who wins).

[Anonymous No.12305217]

>>12305213
Hate to break it to you, but their main source of income is NASA.
And it will remain so for quite some time.

[Anonymous No.12305219]

>>12305207
axing SLS would be a blessing in the long run, but he has the capacity to handicap private space which would be huge
>>12305214
big jim is on record denying that climate change exists. He's 100% out.

[Anonymous No.12305221]

>>12305211
Cry more trumpian! Get on your knees before the Garvertron!

[Anonymous No.12305223]

>>12305217
The ISS still needs crew and cargo, and recent events have shown how valuable newspace is for that.

[Anonymous No.12305224]

>>12305219
>axing SLS would be a blessing in the long run
The problem as I see it is that SLS won't be cancelled, but the moon landing is off the table

[Anonymous No.12305225]

>>12305223
not if it gets deorbited

[Anonymous No.12305227]

Is trump keeping big jim if he wins again?

[Anonymous No.12305228]

>>12305223
With an administration likely to put in someone hostile to crewed operations and putting focus on fucking around with satellites in LEO, how long do you think that will last?
ISS is on its last legs and the Russians are about to fuck off from that shit.

[Anonymous No.12305229]

>>12305225
>it wont

[Anonymous No.12305230]

>>12305227
Berger says it's possible he'll get the axe even if Trump wins

[Anonymous No.12305231]

>>12305230
Berger is not fucking head of any committees having any say over NASA, is he?

[Anonymous No.12305233]

>>12305225
It won't any time soon. Too many international partners involved. You make it sound like Biden will demand everything space related to be destroyed the moment he takes office, but at worst he will be like Obama. Apathetic to spaceflight, ignorant of the important details, and will just make poor decisions while thinking that they're good.

[Anonymous No.12305236]

>>12305231
but anon he's got "sources"

[Anonymous No.12305241]

>>12305231
He's an insider retard, he knows people. One of the few real space journalists worth a shit. Berger has never been wrong about a scoop in the 5 years that i've followed him

[Anonymous No.12305243]

>>12305233
except Obama didn't have a burgeoning Chinese spaceflight industry starting to reach competitive territory and willing to invest heavily in the interest of national pride. Apathy towards spaceflight is exactly why it's at risk because having a real competitor on the scene means suddenly it's a pawn in global politics.

[Anonymous No.12305245]

>>12305241
He's a "journalist". That means he pulls half the shit out of his ass to fill in articles to cash a paycheck.

[Anonymous No.12305246]

>>12305225
I can see the ISS becoming something like the Shuttle program. Carried on for far longer than it should with managers insisting that it's still perfectly safe

[Anonymous No.12305247]

>>12305122
You're missing "orbital yeet train"

[Anonymous No.12305253]

>>12305245
You sound like someone in denial

[Anonymous No.12305255]

>>12305217
It will remain so until Starlink begins serving the public in Q3/Q4 next year. After that, Spacex is invincible.

[Anonymous No.12305264]

>>12305253
And you sound like somebody hopelessly naive to how journalism is done. His ass is out if there's a change in the WH, everybody knows that.
But if there's not, why the fuck would there be unless he himself requests it to focus on something else?

>>12305255
Starlink needs Starship to get to real operational levels, otherwise they're going to be launching 60 a pop until democrats decide to go for crewed flights again, 50 years later down the line.
That's still a big fucking if. Don't count your rockets and their payload until they're off the test stand.

[Anonymous No.12305265]

>>12305255
I still can’t believe Starlink is working. I remember reading about it and thinking “Oh shit they’re gonna go broke”

[Anonymous No.12305270]

>>12305265
honestly what I can't believe is how quickly it's flying through the FAA and FCC. I expected it at least to be tied up in bureaucratic bullshit for 5 or 10 years.

[Anonymous No.12305272]

>>12305221
I didn’t vote for Trump. I genuinely dislike both candidates, but I’m glad Trump is willing to stand up to the attempts to rig the election.

[Anonymous No.12305274]

>>12305270
SpaceX did a brilliant move. They set up a company in Norway, got all the paperwork done here, then used that to get the paperwork through in the US.

[Anonymous No.12305275]

>>12305211
>Trumo tries to block mail-in votes because they're mostly democrats
>He gets called out
>Whines about "voter fraud"

[Anonymous No.12305282]

>>12305264
>Don't count your rockets and their payload until they're off the test stand.
Speaking of which, SpaceX might want to hurry up and build more test stands. SN9 has wings, SN10 is fully stacked, and SN11, SN12, SN14, and SH1 are all under construction. The ships are going to be coming faster and faster but they are only building one additional test stand and its taking them forever.

[Anonymous No.12305283]

>>12305275
>+90% mail-in votes for biden in some regions.
>nothing wrong here at all.
>move along.

[Anonymous No.12305290]

>>12305283
Wisconsin randomly gave Biden 160k votes this morning without a single Trump ballot. If a civil war comes out of this, the left only has themselves to blame.

[Anonymous No.12305294]

>>12305264
If Trump were to win reelection, his campaign CFO DeWit gets a favor in return. That favor is to resume a powerful position at NASA, but as administrator instead of NASA CFO. Do you understand politics at all, moron?

[Anonymous No.12305296]

>>12305274
What? How does that work?

[Anonymous No.12305301]

Do we think they'll reopen the Florida Starship construction site?

[Anonymous No.12305303]

>>12305290
>>12305283
>Trump casts doubt on mail in votes
>Biden encourages them
>WTF WHY MAIL IN FOR TRUMPPZ

[Anonymous No.12305304]

>>12305301
no, Texas has won over Musk. No reason to go anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.12305305]

>>12305290
yeah, a buncha mouth breathers and hicks will rise again! LOL

[Anonymous No.12305306]

>ITT

[Anonymous No.12305307]

>>12305290
>>12305283
It's not 90% it's like 60% democrat.
The reason is the pandemic, democrats are more likely to stay home and mail in ballots. Repubs are more likely to go in person because they don't take it as seriously.

[Anonymous No.12305308]

>>12305296
Exact same standards for radiation specs on transmissions and whatnot as the US, so they used it to fast track through.
There's fuck all going on regarding sat tech here in comparison, so there wasn't exactly a long queue for Elon to go through to get that shit rubberstamped.

So all he had to do was more or less show up at the FCC with the papers in hand and they fast tracked it through there too since we cooperate on all this shit. Allied countries, NATO, all that shit. Gamer move.

[Anonymous No.12305310]

>>12305305
>a buncha mouth breathers and hicks will rise again
They’ve won the presidential election twice now, I imagine they will.

[Anonymous No.12305312]

>>12305303
Let's hope that not too many dead people ended up voting today.

[Anonymous No.12305314]

>>12305308
Damn. But yeah I remember Elon saying “Starlink is make or break for SpaceX. Either this succeeds or we lose billions” and I was scared as hell because at the time (a year ago) all of those LEO constellations had failed

[Anonymous No.12305319]

>>12305314
Also, there was a clever move by using a backdoor with Nkom (Norwegian Communication Authorities), the UN, and the NGSO initiative thing you have going on. He did his homework and set up a company named STEAM in 2014 here.

[Anonymous No.12305321]

>>12305305
>>12305310
Conservatives have never left their state and can't even identify their own country on a world map. They'll lose the next civil war just like they lost the first one.
Which will be good, the right is getting uppity and needs to be put in their place again.

[Anonymous No.12305324]

>>12305321
The democrats lost the last civil war they started, so it stands to reason they’ll lose this one too.

[Anonymous No.12305327]

Will it launch?

[Anonymous No.12305329]

>>12305324
lol
The right can't fight.

[Anonymous No.12305332]

>>12305321
Imagine shitting on the common working man and still thinking you're a good person

[Anonymous No.12305335]

>>12305327
No lmao
>>12305306
Yes lmao
>>12305301
Ugh fuck florida I don't want them to have a Starship astrodome. Boca Chica is so niche and cool

[Anonymous No.12305337]

>>12305321
There won't be room for you when you win your "revolution", gomrade.

[Anonymous No.12305338]

>>12305329
They won in 1865, they’ll win in 2020. That’s assuming the DNC is actually dumb enough to start a war again.

[Anonymous No.12305343]

>>12305332
seethe and cope

[Anonymous No.12305348]

I can't wait to see the butthurt when Trump loses. The seething will be legendary.

[Anonymous No.12305352]

Who the hell comes to 4chan to spam lefty shit wtf?

[Anonymous No.12305353]

Tell it to me straight /sfg/, should the worst of the worst happen, can SpaceX survive in Japan?

[Anonymous No.12305355]

>>12305327
>New GEM63's
Better question is, will it RUD?

[Anonymous No.12305357]

>>12305353
SpaceX is a part of the military industrial complex. They’ll be ok

[Anonymous No.12305358]

>>12305352
Jannies.

[Anonymous No.12305359]

>>12305353
They don't need to. They've got DOD money now that they've delivered proven results.

[Anonymous No.12305362]

>>12305353
Musk would be arrested at the border. ITAR is no joke.

[Anonymous No.12305363]

>>12305338
>lose a war then pretend the sides were switched so you win on a technicality
5-D chess

[Anonymous No.12305365]

>>12305343
I'm not republican lol. I'm just saying you're not for the working class like the republicans.

[Anonymous No.12305366]

>>12305321
Very based, fuck loser Donald lovers

[Anonymous No.12305373]

>>12305352
Only newfags and tourists think 4chan is right wing

[Anonymous No.12305374]

>>12305366
>DUDE VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS!!!!

[Anonymous No.12305375]

>>12305357
>>12305359

I can only pray that the Pentagon is strong enough to perpetualy support SpaceX despite heavy political opposition/pressure.

>>12305362

Fuck, there has to be a solid plan-B should the US DoD not able to keep supporting SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.12305378]

>>12305321
I want Trump to win because I know biden will start another few wars in his tenure
I don't care about Trump or his policies, but I know biden is a big, vocal advocate for war, and Trump is less so
Also luv me big Jim

[Anonymous No.12305379]

Does Euler's number (or anything Euler discovered) show up in calculations for spaceflight? I fucking hate math but Euler deserves a ship named after him

[Anonymous No.12305381]

Buncha good goys itt

[Anonymous No.12305386]

>>12305374
Yeah? She's hot and has nice ass and tits. I would be ok with her bc you could sell artemis as a nigger woman on the moon. more catchy than plsin ol white guys

[Anonymous No.12305387]

>>12305378
>I want Trump to win because I know biden will start another few wars in his tenure
This is one of the reasons I decided to vote for neither. I like Trump's escalation with the Chinese, but Biden is way more likely to get us involved in a "police action" in some shithole. As someone looking to go into the defense side of aerospace, both options aren't too bad overall. This is especially true with a republican senate to keep the dem doves from getting any influence.

[Anonymous No.12305390]

>>12305379
e is like pi, it shows up everywhere randomly

[Anonymous No.12305418]

>>12305390
I still don't understand what the fuck e even is. Like I know how to use it in a formula if I need to obviously... but I just take it as a very very very specific value that Euler was able to deduce by focusing autism into equations or something. Look, anyone who can prove that 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ... = -[math]\frac{1}{12} [/math] is a genius

[Anonymous No.12305425]

>>12305418
Yeah, I've never seen a good explanation of why its so ubiquitous.

[Anonymous No.12305428]

>>12305375
Nobody cares enough about space to produce "heavy" political opposition. Hell, Boeing is still getting contracts from the government.
https://washingtonexec.com/2020/10/boeing-secures-477m-performance-based-logistics-contract-from-dla/
>>12305378
Trump is on record as wanting to assassinate Assad, killed an Iranian general earlier in the year, leading Iran to fire missiles at US soldiers, ramped up drone strikes, and left OCO funding higher than it was in 2016.

[Anonymous No.12305430]

>>12305418
>>12305425
Integration is used alot in many engineering fields because it shows how something changes over time, and e has a weird relationship with integration which makes it appear frequently.

[Anonymous No.12305432]

I don't like this election posting nonsense
Why can't we just make fun of Boeing again instead?

[Anonymous No.12305438]

>>12305432
>how did a guy who smokes pot beat us?

[Anonymous No.12305447]

>>12305264
Starlink is extremely viable even with F9 as the only launch vehicle. A single year's revenue from fairly pessimistic market share in the just the rural USA would cover the entire deployment cost for the 12,000 sat constellation.

[Anonymous No.12305452]

>>12305447
>60 sats a launch
>10-12 launches a year?
>12k+ constellation planned
>"extremely viable"
Yeah I don't think so. With F9, it stays at "Better Than Nothing Beta Test".

[Anonymous No.12305456]

>>12305432
It'll pass within a month.
Maybe ULA will get to launch before this is over

[Anonymous No.12305461]

>>12305432
It's a boring time for space, and exciting for politics, when SpaceX does it's HOP things will go back to normal, but nothing is happening in spaceflight right now :(

[Anonymous No.12305463]

>>12305452
>>10-12 launches a year?
their current launch cadence is more than double that. They'll be able to serve most of the northern US and canada within a few years, and of course by nature of orbiting the planet the coverage will extend to other regions of the world, opening up many foreign markets as well.

[Anonymous No.12305469]

>>12305461
>when SpaceX does it's HOP
Why the fuck is that taking so long? It's starting to look like SN-9 is gonna be completely done before SN-8 even flies.

[Anonymous No.12305470]

>>12305432
Blessed post

[Anonymous No.12305471]

[Anonymous No.12305474]

>>12305463
Their current launch cadence has been high because of kung flu. They're planning 2 more this year bringing it to a total of 15, hardly "double that".
That launch cadence would bring their constellation of 15k up and running in what? 16-17 years at the least providing everything goes as planned and nothing deorbits?

No, this shit hinges on Starship. Feel free to run the numbers yourself.

[Anonymous No.12305475]

[Anonymous No.12305476]

>>12305452
Reliable service to even the lower latitudes of the US can begin somewhere in the 1000-1500 sat range. That's ~20 launches. After it has a customer base, Starlink revenue rapidly outpaces the cost of its own launches and enables more launches per year. The 12K deployment is far above what they actually need to provide service.

[Anonymous No.12305477]

[Anonymous No.12305478]

>>12305456
Honestly politics will leave everyone’s minds pretty soon. The only reason Trump lives rent free was because he’s Republican

[Anonymous No.12305480]

>I will use my experience drive and passion to start a company in my name that will produce a wide array of finely made aircraft

[Anonymous No.12305486]

>>12305476
900 satellites a year. 15 launches a year on a good year = 16.67 years to get their 15k constellation up and running.
"Better Than Nothing Beta Test" until Starship enters the game.
NA market isn't big enough to fuel this shit alone.

[Anonymous No.12305489]

>>12305480
Boeing was fine until 2013, when SLS delays really started. Before then they were cool

[Anonymous No.12305492]

>>12305474
>Their current launch cadence has been high because of kung flu.
Anon, you might be retarded.
In any case, they've had 19 launches so far this year.

[Anonymous No.12305495]

>>12305486
2020 isn't a "good year" stop pretending like it's a valid datapoint to extrapolate from. A good year would be something like 2 launches a month on average.

[Anonymous No.12305497]

>>12305492
>you might be retarded.
Oh really? You do know that they have a limited amount of launches per year. Every fucking launch they do for other customers, which is their bread and butter, cuts into their starlink launches.
So yes. They've gotten to launch a lot more starlinks this year than they normally would, because of kung flu.

[Anonymous No.12305498]

I was a space nerd as a little kid and I remember how all of those “Earth and Science” books would have a few sections on space, but all of them - ALL OF THEM - would have an Ariane 5 as the example of “a space rocket.”

Wtf?

[Anonymous No.12305499]

>>12305486
OK, buddy. Let's check back in next June.

[Anonymous No.12305500]

>>12305497
You’re both right, but also remember that they launched all of their customers already. They no longer have a huge backlog

[Anonymous No.12305502]

>>12305498
Lots of publicly available information on it. ESA is really open.

[Anonymous No.12305503]

>>12305498
True

[Anonymous No.12305508]

>>12305498
ESA really seems to love marketing. I'm not saying NASA doesn't, but the ratio of PR to accomplishments seems a lot higher on the other side of the pond.

[Anonymous No.12305509]

>>12305498
Chunky rockets have always been aesthetic to me. Ariane V, Delta IV, even Ares V (rip constellation).

I remember going to space camp and watching a video about the constellation program and then having a NASA astronaut come talk to us about constellation. Good times, good times.

[Anonymous No.12305515]

>SSME can only fart out 5,200 kN of thrust
>the SRBs put out nearly 5x that amount
why are SSMEs such a joke? Not to mention all the slowdown coming from that gigantic orange piece of shit

[Anonymous No.12305519]

>>12305515
SSMEs are actually some of the best engines on the planet...but they cost $60 Million apiece (In 2010, it’s like $150 Mil today for some reason)

[Anonymous No.12305527]

>>12305519
does the ISP make up for their anemic thrust? Like, shitty thrust but over a longer period of time? That orange tank is still ridiculous, though.

[Anonymous No.12305533]

>>12305515
They're sustainers, but we pretend they're actually awesome.
They should just do vacuum nozzles for them and redo them as upper stages. Great engines for that if they could cut costs for it.

[Anonymous No.12305534]

>>12305527
They’re actually perfect for SSTOs. They have a 452 isp. You can put five of them on the back of a shuttle external tank and place 40 tons into LEO.

[Anonymous No.12305541]

>>12305534
>"They have a 452 isp"
>"This Nissan Micra can do 0.2 liter per 10 kilometer!"

[Anonymous No.12305546]

>>12305541
Disclaimer, that was a 1st gen Nissan Micra. I have no fucking idea what current gen Jap shitboxes do. But the point remains.

[Anonymous No.12305551]

>>12305541
I know but like the point stands that most high isp engines have shit thrust but yeah I get it haha

[Anonymous No.12305554]

>>12305486
>NA market isn't big enough to fuel this shit alone.

Lmao so wrong, NA alone will bring in giant stacks of cash.

[Anonymous No.12305557]

>>12305551
When my mother got that nip shitbox, the neighbor asked if it made its own gas. I eventually drove it until the fucking axle broke on it.
Piece of shit, but it was free and cheap to drive.

[Anonymous No.12305561]

>>12305557
Think of that but it costs as much as a commercial airliner and takes millions to reuse for each drive

[Anonymous No.12305562]

>>12305533
is there any point to that when the RL10 exists?

[Anonymous No.12305565]

>>12305217
Elon can just pawn off Tesla and fund Mars himself at this point.

[Anonymous No.12305566]

>>12305562
If we ever got serious about exploring space, a vacuum RS-25 derivative would be fucking great. I imagine it could withstand a bit more rigour than RL-10 can.

[Anonymous No.12305567]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aynKNh6cvnI
Atlas V NROL-101 in a bit over 2 hours

[Anonymous No.12305570]

>>12305565
>implying its legal to fund Mars colonization
Uhm, sweety...

[Anonymous No.12305573]

>>12305570
we can worry about shooting the totalitarians when they actually try to stop us, the colony ships probably won't depart until the next US election anyways

[Anonymous No.12305575]

>>12305567
>First flight of the Atlas V Block II
Holy shit

[Anonymous No.12305578]

>>12305567
GEM-63
Will It RUD?

[Anonymous No.12305581]

>>12305567
>>12305575
>space force roundel on the fairing
Neat.

[Anonymous No.12305587]

>>12305565
Desu they are going to make insane gigabux on starlink too. If he is serious then spacex is going to have tens of BILLIONS to fund Mars colonisation every single year. That is definitely enough to get the ball rolling, especially with the early waves paying for their own tickets. Gigantic gigafactories churning out thousands of starship hulls, raptors pumped out like fucking car engines, hundreds rolling off the production line every day, massive launch complexes with dozens and dozens of pads, more offshore pads than you can throw a stick at, custom made 100 million litre fuel depots in orbit. All totally doable with that sort of budget when you aren't some retarded government fucks pissing it down the drain. Bro I'm so going to get the fuck off this planet. Its actually happening.

[Anonymous No.12305591]

>>12305587
Here's hoping.

[Anonymous No.12305595]

>>12304848
Is either of them clearly in favour/against of elon musk,Jeff below or old space. That would help settle the debate objectively

[Anonymous No.12305598]

Elon Musk should move to China with all Starship plans and ensure America’s death

[Anonymous No.12305600]

>>12305587
You're acting as if that profit will be mostly under musk's control.

[Anonymous No.12305601]

>>12305595
Joe Biden would raise corporate taxes and taxes on wealthy people, so he is anti-Elon Musk and evil.

[Anonymous No.12305603]

>>12305600
IPOing Starlink is going to be a mistake for this reason.

[Anonymous No.12305605]

>>12305595
Spacex's rapid pace of development and accomplishment is beneficial to Trump's ego, and his ego is about as reliable as a universal constant.

[Anonymous No.12305606]

>>12305598
>dude le epic based CHINA!

[Anonymous No.12305609]

>>12305600
Until it goes public, that profit is entirely under his control, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.12305612]

>>12305606
>dude le epic based jew puppet America!

[Anonymous No.12305614]

>>12305609
Yup. I'm not sure if Starlink has any private equity invested in it like SpaceX does, but either way, Musk doesn't have public investors to answer to.

[Anonymous No.12305618]

>>12305587
You’re not going anywhere my neet compadre

[Anonymous No.12305619]

>>12305601
That's indirect. Boeing is also a corporation and would get hit. I want objectively undeniable I like/don't like statements

[Anonymous No.12305625]

>>12305587
Based. Fuck the chinks and doomers infesting this thread.

[Anonymous No.12305626]

>>12305598
New administration will likely push for reconciliation with China and cooperation in spaceflight is an excellent way to do it.
>deletes trumps moonlanding and tradewar
>pushes forward friendship and partnership instead
Also dates shift to 2030's which is perfect for all involved.

[Anonymous No.12305627]

>>12305609
No. That's a retarded idea. The fact that there aren't public investors doesn't mean there aren't investors. Google invested one billion in it for instance as others and people can invest secretly. If you think elon musk is a big player you're too far away from reality to ever even approach it

[Anonymous No.12305628]

>>12305619
Raising corporate taxes is a pretty direct attack on anyone doing anything worth a damn in the private sector.

[Anonymous No.12305629]

>>12305626
Cooperation in spaceflight: since starship is flying all of the other landers to the moon they make a bit more room and add a Chinese one too

[Anonymous No.12305631]

>>12305627
Private investors generally have specifically spelled out rights and expectations in their contracts. They don't give a shit about profitability so long as the value of their equity in the company increases.

[Anonymous No.12305633]

>>12305628
Overruled. Speculation. Bring actual evidence counselor

[Anonymous No.12305635]

>>12305633
debunked cope seethe have sex incel

[Anonymous No.12305636]

>>12305627
Private and public investment are two very different worlds

[Anonymous No.12305638]

>>12305628
Corporate tax is fairly meaningless if you're keeping on top of capex, hence lefties crying about the likes of Bezos.

[Anonymous No.12305640]

>>12305628
no, the only thing it does is put more money into the pockets of the people who specialize in helping big corporations dodge taxes and fines. There's an entire industry that exists because it's cheaper to pay people to find loopholes in the tax laws than it is to pay the taxes. Raising taxes on corporations likely means simply raising the bar for how far corporations will go to dodge them, and conversely may end up in big corporations paying fewer taxes because it's more worth their money to avoid them.

[Anonymous No.12305644]

>>12305612
>>12305606
both suck shut up

[Anonymous No.12305647]

>>12305626
>will likely push for reconciliation with China
Weren't a lot of the China restrictions bipartisan?

[Anonymous No.12305657]

>>12305647
yeah "reconciliation with China" while they're still running death camps and gearing up to invade Taiwan seems a little optimistic. Peace in our time.

[Anonymous No.12305658]

>>12305567

[Anonymous No.12305659]

>>12305647
yeah, Biden isn't going to go easy on China, I don't know where that idea came from. He'll be more "diplomatic" but he's not going to do a full 180 on the policy.

[Anonymous No.12305661]

>>12305659
>I don't know where that idea came from
Hunter did "business" in China and Biden had a fuckbuddy tour of China with Xi when he was VP and Xi was Vice Chicom. But as far as policy goes Biden has been pretty moderate on China.

[Anonymous No.12305665]

>>12305661
>Biden has been pretty moderate on China
He fucked the US over on China completely. When he went to China to be "tough" on China moving in on the South China sea, he fucked that up completely but his son walked away with business deals. Make of that what you will.

[Anonymous No.12305671]

>>12305635
based cringe based cringe based

[Anonymous No.12305674]

>>12305661
everyone was pretty moderate on china in the 2000s, but things started to change mid-2010s. Since then they "elected" Xi as chairman for life, instituted their social credit system and have become much more aggressive in the region and in trying to court international partners like Russia and even the EU. They started pumping out their culture and ideology at levels nearly competing with the US and no American is OK with that. We're the only ones allowed to spread global propaganda and it's ok because democracy is good.

[Anonymous No.12305679]

>>12305659
Because /sfg/ is fucked anyway on election day i will respond with politics.
Biden will bend over backward for china, not in the media, there he will act tough, but biden, his son, the dem's pockets are full of CCP bribes.
And honest to god it's fucked up that a almost 80 year old piece of shit capitalst boomer is the better option as president then this corrupt piece of shit that the dem's put on stage.

[Anonymous No.12305685]

>>12305674
>They started pumping out their culture and ideology at levels nearly competing with the US and no American is OK with that. We're the only ones allowed to spread global propaganda and it's ok because democracy is good.
You trying to imply something? Trying to win and keep your enemies down is not hypocritical, it's just human.

[Anonymous No.12305687]

pffffffff

[Anonymous No.12305691]

>>12305687
the virgin ULA sniper
the CHAD SpaceX sapper

[Anonymous No.12305696]

>>12305685
nothing wrong with exporting democracy. Just setting the record for how 2020 Sino-American relations are very, very different from when Biden was VP.

[Anonymous No.12305698]

>>12305691
Brilliant. Sabotaging the ground equipment where there is less security.

[Anonymous No.12305699]

>>12305685
Not him but while I understand their viewpoint, i also know that nothing would delight China more than to see the US under their thumb.

[Anonymous No.12305700]

>>12305687

[Anonymous No.12305701]

>>12305687
ULA? More like U LAme

[Anonymous No.12305706]

>>12305700
>>12305701
I feel kinda bad for Tory at this point.

[Anonymous No.12305708]

>>12305698
sneaky launchpad ninjas

[Anonymous No.12305709]

>>12305628
Those billionaires need their extra yacht right? Why should the likes of Amazon not pay their share of taxes on their profits?

[Anonymous No.12305714]

>>12305709
Since when did any of the democrat donors pay taxes to the US? They pay taxes to Ireland you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.12305722]

>>12305709
What's the point of raising taxes that the international corps will just not pay?

[Anonymous No.12305724]

>>12305709
Corporate tax is borderline irrelevant for large companies that can create losses in the process of expanding their business (i.e. Amazon). On top of that, the government already gets their due in the form of income and payroll taxes on the employees. Instead, direct corporate taxation disproportionately affects small companies that need every cent to stay afloat. When you lack the expansion potential to justify hiding profits in greater expenses, you end up getting fucked by the government taking more money on top of what they already take.

[Anonymous No.12305726]

>>12305709
I already alluded to this in response to that post but to be clear, profit is a spook and minimizing it by keeping up capex levels renders corporate tax irrelevant. Companies focused on growth - like Tesla and SpaceX for the foreseeable future - are naturally capex high to support their endeavors. For them profit is funds they didn't manage to usefully allocate. The guys actually worried about this shit are mature, imbedded corporations.

[Anonymous No.12305729]

>>12305724
Amazon doesn't pay corporate tax to the US.

[Anonymous No.12305733]

>>12305687
when the PAYLOAD is a WHOLE ASS FUCKING SPY SATELLITE that AMERICAN troops rely on to SHOOT BROWN PEOPLE from AMERICAN SOIL, trust the COMPANY that puts SCRUBS OVER RHETORIC

[Anonymous No.12305743]

>>12305709
Unless Hidin' Biden eliminates all existing tax loopholes (which are numerous enough to probably fill an entire library on their own now) raising the tax rate is utterly irrelevant to the megacorporations who fund and support him, which is of course why they fund and support him. Unless tax loopholes are expunged from existence, raising taxes only has the effect of diminishing the spending power of the lower class and thus diminishing both their social and political power as well, very convenient for the modern day's wannabee-aristocracy who aren't interested in competition from bellow.
In addition, even with the expansion of taxation without tax loopholes, the cost of taxation on megacorporations will still be passed on to the middle class in two different ways, firstly through an increase in the cost of products and secondly through the firing of workers. So we'll end up with the government wasting more money on useless projects and also everything will be slightly more expensive while the lower class and the unemployed class expand significantly, the middle class diminishes significantly, and the wealth and power of society is significantly more concentrated in the economic and political elite.

You know, exactly what's been happening for eighty years under politicians exactly like Joe Biden and co.

[Anonymous No.12305747]

>>12305743
>eliminates all existing tax loopholes
What's he gonna do? Cancel all international trade treaties that make them possible?
lol

[Anonymous No.12305748]

>>12305679
>the dem's pockets are full of CCP bribes.
Both parties are full of CCP bribes. See Cocaine Mitch and how he is married to a the daughter of a taiwanese tycoon that become a billionaire off importing cheap chinese junk into the US.

[Anonymous No.12305753]

>>12305747
Of course he won't, he'll leave all tax loopholes fully exploitable and probably add new ones for whoever is willing to give Hunter another multi-million dollar per year job. This is why his primary supporters are either foreign entities like China who do great business fucking over the US in trade and commerce, and megacorporations who know that his loyalty and support will be trivially easy to buy.

[Anonymous No.12305757]

>>12305701
UnLAunchable

[Anonymous No.12305759]

>>12305753
I know that shit. The Republican "tax cuts for the rich" was a desperate attempt to cut corporate taxes down to 11.5% to bring back Amazon, Alphabet, Apple, J.P. Morgan Chase etc from Ireland.
But they'd rather stay right there and pay 8%, up until this year, they could pay 0% through a loophole.

That's what they're not telling you every time they complain about "tax cuts for the rich".

[Anonymous No.12305761]

>>12305618
>neet

Incorrect, multi trade skilled white man with assets, enjoy your stay on the diversity hell planet, I'm out.

[Anonymous No.12305776]

>>12305606
China is unironically more based than the US and has a more promising demographic future.

[Anonymous No.12305781]

>>12305619
>That's indirect. Boeing is also a corporation and would get hit. I want objectively undeniable I like/don't like statements

It harms Musk therefore it’s bad. Pretty simple.

[Anonymous No.12305784]

>>12305776
>US future
on mars
>chyna future
pimping your daughter to niggers for diplomatic outreach

[Anonymous No.12305785]

>>12305657
I hope they invade Taiwan. Fuck this boring peace.

[Anonymous No.12305788]

>>12304844
no politics, it's the rules
go to /k/ if you want to better understand them

[Anonymous No.12305789]

>>12305781
If you paid attention, it basically doesn't.
It will (further) fuck up small businesses and for that he can get fucked, but for Musk it means very little.

[Anonymous No.12305792]

>>12304844
Because while it is true that politics can potentially touch essentially all other subjects, (politics as a social science and field which is essentially to do with how one lives one's life in a social order), on the webside of Four Chins, there is one specific board devoted to it's discussion so it does not clutter or derail other threads in other boards. If you want to discuss politics in relation to spaceflight, you should start a space politics thread on /pol/, and if you want to constantly discuss space politics, you would have to try and create a general thread which would require you expend time and energy to keep /spg/ Space Politics General alive.
But you're too lazy to do that, so here you are shitting up our thread instead, exactly the opposite of what was intended for a website with seppartate and distinct boards intended to create separation of topics.

[Anonymous No.12305795]

>>12305789
I do wonder how ITAR functions with tax evasion.

[Anonymous No.12305796]

>>12305776
Dude but unless you’re chinese they will literally want to subjugate you. Say what you want about Americans but many of them are willing to die for a modicum of freedom. People like Elon. What country are you from?

[Anonymous No.12305800]

>>12305795
Doesn't matter, SpaceX isn't turning a profit. They will when Starlink hits full scale but that's a ways down the road only in the case that it comes in faster than they can spend it on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12305806]

Do you think all future martian colonies will unite under one government or will they be individual city states? I imagine Moon colonies will still be part of their respective countries because of proximity. But Mars will basically have to be independent in the near-to-far future assuming their are multiple huge cities with thousands and thousands of people

[Anonymous No.12305811]

>>12305806
I don’t see why they would want to declare independence aside from the meme everyone has drawn up in their head. You’re going to want the support of the USA. It’s not like America is some evil king trying to tax without represent. Mars colonies will probably push super hard for “states rights” where they are free to make whatever laws they need though. They’re just what they say they are on the tin; colonies

[Anonymous No.12305813]

>>12305800
I wouldn't be so sure, they haven't posed profit information to my knowledge but since their development costs probably don't exceed half a billion dolars from day one all the way to now, and that they charge substantially more than the per-unit cost of their extremely cheap and reusable rockets, I don't think it's sensible to just claim outright that they aren't a profitable enterprise.
With an average launch cost of 62 million dollars, the 96 total Falcon 9 flights alone ought to have generated something in the blalpark of 6 billion dollars.

[Anonymous No.12305814]

>>12305796
>Dude but unless you’re chinese they will literally want to subjugate you

That’s okay as long as I can enlist in some kinda colonial regiment set up by the Chinese government, like how the Nazis had entire divisions of French defectors knocking about. Feed me, give me a bunk, let me see action, and I’ll be fine.

> Say what you want about Americans but many of them are willing to die for a modicum of freedom. People like Elon.

Freedom sounds nice on paper but that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily conductive to a healthy society. I mean, look at America.

> What country are you from?

The United States of America, which I expect to dissolve in the near future.

[Anonymous No.12305834]

>>12305813
13 out of 18 launches so far this year all Starlink. That's entirely internally subsidized cost, ~20m for the booster and ~15m ($250k per sat was the only reference I could find), plus ongoing operational and R&D costs. I don't know what their profit looks like on the remaining launches and big govt contracts can offset that, but it sure as hell looks to me like a company sinking every spare bit into growth like God intended.

[Anonymous No.12305836]

>>12305814
cringe

[Anonymous No.12305845]

>>12305814
>Willingly selling your soul to the Chinese
Holy shit mental illness. I could understand doing the FFL though

[Anonymous No.12305848]

>>12305814
This is bait

[Anonymous No.12305853]

>>12305792
We have been talking space politics before this general was even a thing you fucking tourist.

[Anonymous No.12305857]

>Pictures: The remains of an S-IVB that exploded during a wet dress rehearsal

[Anonymous No.12305858]

>>12305811
>It’s not like America is some evil king trying to tax without represent

Reminder that if you are an American citizen working overseas you have to pay American taxes on your wages aswell unless America has a specific agreement with the particular country you are working in. Its straight theft and pure evil.

[Anonymous No.12305860]

>>12305748
Taiwan is the good China though

[Anonymous No.12305862]

>>12305857
fucking delete this

[Anonymous No.12305865]

Trump just needs to keep PA and retake arizona to win now. (which mathematically he is favored to take due to the surge of uncounted election day votes, just like Joe took michigan and wisconsin).

[Anonymous No.12305869]

>>12305858
Yeah that's fucking gay. As is income tax, inheritance tax, and just about every other stupid tax they slap on. Martian tax law should be simple. Oh and tipping should be illegal per the martian compact

[Anonymous No.12305871]

That piece of shit ULA candle is 100% going to scrub.
It's still in hold.

[Anonymous No.12305876]

>>12305865
He wont retake arizona, pic related

[Anonymous No.12305877]

>>12305811
>It’s not like America is some evil king trying to tax without represent
Puerto Rico, Washington DC the city, Guam and other overseas territories.

[Anonymous No.12305879]

>>12304881

She was right in that tweet. Despite Elon's protestations he's making bank.

[Anonymous No.12305883]

>>12305865

[Anonymous No.12305885]

>>12305865
All remaining votes are mail-ins, which are tilted democratic.
Also: >>12305876 what this anon said.

[Anonymous No.12305888]

[Anonymous No.12305890]

>>12305860
It wasn't taiwanese junk being imported.

[Anonymous No.12305894]

orange man is done anons, dont give a fuck about him, but it's big jim that i'm sad about.
The diversity hire that will replace him will be the last nail on the coffin of NASA.

[Anonymous No.12305895]

And ScrubLA strikes again.

[Anonymous No.12305898]

>>12305888
Unless that's a half gallon bottle, you're pretty lightweight.

[Anonymous No.12305904]

>>12305898
Your a pretty big alcoholic if you can drink that in one evening.

[Anonymous No.12305905]

>>12305857
gore is not allowed on blue boards

[Anonymous No.12305907]

>>12305848
>This is bait
*This is bat

[Anonymous No.12305911]

>>12305904
Actually I rarely drink, I just always had a high tolerance.

[Anonymous No.12305958]

>>12305905
I think there’s an S-II stage that also exploded in testing but I can’t find pics for it

[Anonymous No.12305970]

>>12305885
https://twitter.com/thechrisbuskirk/status/1324118470062059520
Trump will win.

[Anonymous No.12305981]

>>12305905
If it weren't Al you ungrateful bastards wouldn't have a board, blue or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.12305983]

>>12305895
sigh. Bets on the GPS-III launch tomorrow? Will SpaceX kick off November?

[Anonymous No.12305984]

>>12305970
>Trump getting 58% of mail in votes
It's over dude. Time to move on.

[Anonymous No.12305995]

>>12305970
Come on, this is getting pathetic.
We lost.

On the brightside, it looks like Congress is tilting red.
America works best when Congress and the president are two different parties.

[Anonymous No.12305998]

>>12305984
>>12305995
https://twitter.com/CortesSteve/status/1324128709092192258 maybe this guy can explain it to you better

[Anonymous No.12306003]

>>12305998
>This is how trump can STILL WIN

[Anonymous No.12306006]

>>12305998
Anon, come now.
I'll tell you what, if I'm wrong I'll blow you. That's how certain this is over I am.

[Anonymous No.12306010]

>>12305995
>America works best when Congress and the president are two different parties.
Can‘t wait for zero laws getting passed, president exclusively ruling through executive orders and extended government shutdowns.

[Anonymous No.12306009]

>>12306003
>>12306006
I'm not raging though. I haven't seen any of you actually respond with an argument other then "trump will loose".

[Anonymous No.12306011]

>>12305984
Not that it matters but what you're missing is that AZ counted mail votes first, which is inverse from every other state. The outstanding AZ ballots are from election day.

But North Carolina has said they're not giving any more results until the 12th, and they'll certainly have (((found))) a couple hundred thousand mysterious Biden ballots by then, so it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.12306014]

>>12306010
>Can‘t wait for zero laws getting passed
That’s a good thing.

[Anonymous No.12306018]

>>12306009
Because the trend is clear. This is /sci/, right?
We understand statistics and and trends, right?
>>12306010
It depends. Congress can stop most executive orders and Repubs might have enough votes to prevent shutdowns.
Also, the government that governs best is the one that governs least.

[Anonymous No.12306029]

>>12306018
>This is /sci/, right?
>We understand statistics and and trends, right?

[Anonymous No.12306035]

>>12306018
the trend in arizona for the areas where the remaining votes are is republican, i don't know how hard that is for you to understand

[Anonymous No.12306040]

>>12306035
I live in AZ, it's fucking blue now bitch

[Anonymous No.12306042]

How hard is it to count some fucking votes amerifats? stop fucking around and cheating and just get on with it for fucks sake.

[Anonymous No.12306043]

>>12306010
better than one side steamrolling through legislation at the detriment of everyone who doesn't hold to their party dogma. And then they try to introduce shitty legislation to tip the scales in their favor like national popular vote (despite rightfully deriding trump as a populist in the same breath) and we remember why the system was set up to prevent that kind of thing. Democracy, by definition, is the only governmental system that gives its people the tools to destroy it.

[Anonymous No.12306050]

>>12306042
we've never had a pandemic before

[Anonymous No.12306053]

>>12306042
America has 50 states. Each state has from dozens to hundreds of counties. Each country reports it's own results. Every state has different laws. It's an absolute clusterfuck and I'm surprised they got the vote in as quickly as they did.

[Anonymous No.12306055]

>>12306040
lol

[Anonymous No.12306061]

>>12306050
>we've never had a pandemic before

[Anonymous No.12306062]

>>12306050
Coronavirus is not a significant issue and should have been ignored day 1.

[Anonymous No.12306065]

>>12306035
¡JAJAJA! sure thing cabrón

[Anonymous No.12306066]

>>12306050
>0.2% mortality rate pandemic for octogenerians and morbidly obese

Cool pandemic, love being stripped of my rights for this. Put your muzzle back on slave.

[Anonymous No.12306071]

>>12306061
that was a plandemic

[Anonymous No.12306073]

I voted for Jo Jorgenson in PA lmao fuck trump

[Anonymous No.12306076]

>>12306073
same in WA, but I probably should have just written someone in
also turns out she's a woman? wtf

[Anonymous No.12306078]

>>12306073
kanye for me

[Anonymous No.12306082]

[Anonymous No.12306083]

>>12306082
imagine the smelle

[Anonymous No.12306087]

https://www.cameroncounty.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/PUBLIC-NOTICE-OF-CAMERON-COUNTY-ORDER-TO-TEMP.-BEACH-CLOSURE-AND-HWY.11.09.20.pdf

>static fire and 15KM flight

[Anonymous No.12306090]

>>12306087
hop when

[Anonymous No.12306092]

im ready to leave this gay earth and never fucking return

[Anonymous No.12306111]

>>12306087
static fire cancelled

[Anonymous No.12306112]

>>12306090
9th 10th or 11th, possibly later if they scrub every date
Will occur during the day, so they can film it as an advertisement

[Anonymous No.12306113]

>>12306090
Nov 9th at the earliest

[Anonymous No.12306121]

HOPP WHEN

[Anonymous No.12306123]

Are tgey hopping ever? Braptor fixed? no more hurts?

[Anonymous No.12306124]

>>12306092
Totally happening dude.

[Anonymous No.12306127]

Thoughts on amateur rocket clubs?

pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.12306129]

>>12306124
ill ride a boeing starliner if it means i never again have to see this gay earth

[Anonymous No.12306130]

is the flight control software for starship ever bottleneck for production? like from what i understand its a very important part of spacex rockets and its part of what makes reusability possible. So how far back did they have the most finished version of their software that spossible withotu testing?

[Anonymous No.12306132]

>>12306129
boy are you in luck

[Anonymous No.12306134]

>>12306127
from left to right
super ego
id
ego

[Anonymous No.12306136]

>kaboom

[Anonymous No.12306144]

>>12306130
the software could easily be a bottleneck if they were bad at it like Boeing is, but don't forget that Musk's fortune was built on running software companies, so I'm sure he has that process down much more solidly than the rest.

[Anonymous No.12306158]

>>12306130
>Flight control software
Literally a non issue

[Anonymous No.12306162]

>>12306134
kek

[Anonymous No.12306182]

>>12306134
>sees rocket pic
>thinks of freud

[Anonymous No.12306186]

>>12306182

[Anonymous No.12306190]

>>12306182
Bitch lasagna

[Anonymous No.12306209]

>>12306186
Seems like NNN is affecting you /sfg/gots badly. It would be a real shame if someone posted some rocket lewds.

[Anonymous No.12306215]

>>12306158
Flight control software is the only reason SpaceX lands rockets and everyone else doesn't

[Anonymous No.12306219]

>>12306190
GSLV MKIII is Kino. How the fuck is India going to beat ALL OF EUROPE at launching people to space wtf?

[Anonymous No.12306223]

>>12306209
Aww yiss

[Anonymous No.12306224]

>>12306209
OшO Чтo этo?

[Anonymous No.12306229]

>>12306127
my uni's rocketry team is so comfy bros

[Anonymous No.12306233]

>>12306224
I will hit you like Ivan the Terrible hit his son

[Anonymous No.12306248]

>>12306158
>>12306215

who is right? theres no place for opinion here, no grey ground
its white and black
one of you is right , and is light and is goodnes, and is god, and is deserving of all the sexual pleasures available ever and efverything he likes whenvere he likes it because its truuuuuethth tTRUTH TRUE

the other is a darknesss satan sin wronges no no destroy doesnt ligve, doesnt deserve to THE MERE ACT OF AKNCOWLODING YOUR PATHETIC EXISTENCE SHOUDL BE CONSIDERED A WAR CRIME ITS SO DISGUSTING ALL THE PAIN TORTURE EVERY DAY FOREVER IS NOT ENOUGHGHGHG


the question is, which is which, which is the right and which the wrong, which the light and which the dark?

[Anonymous No.12306272]

>>12306248
ogey

[Anonymous No.12306306]

>>12306158
t. boing

[Anonymous No.12306323]

>>12306272
rrat

[Anonymous No.12306329]

THIS JUST IN!
The Third Orbiting Geophysical Observatory (OGO-3) has just sent the first coloured pictures of the surface of Mun!
(We've yet been able to confirm whether these image are actually colored, due to the grayness of Mun)

[Anonymous No.12306334]

>>12306087
Coming mon/tue/wed, neat.

[Anonymous No.12306338]

>SpaceX is targeting Nov. 9 through Nov. 11 for Starship SN8's flight to 15 kilometers, per the lastest road closures. These windows may also include static fire testing.
https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1324139514495868928

[Anonymous No.12306339]

>>12306338
FUCKING HOP ALREADY FUUUUUCK

[Anonymous No.12306342]

>>12306338
Starship is going to save America

[Anonymous No.12306351]

>>12306342
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.12306354]

>>12306339
>FUCKING HOP ALREADY FUUUUUCK

[Anonymous No.12306359]

HOP WHEN

[Anonymous No.12306364]

>>12306342
based

[Anonymous No.12306367]

>>12306342
*the human race

[Anonymous No.12306369]

>>12306342
based and optimismpilled

[Anonymous No.12306374]

>>12306359
>HOP WHEN

[Anonymous No.12306377]

>>12306369
Can someone make an updated version of this image with SN8 photos?

[Anonymous No.12306393]

Random question, spaceflight related. Astronomers today observed a Fast Radio Burst within our own milky way. Who is responsible for the "muh alines" popsci stories that get pumped out when discoveries like these are made? Do astronomers try to sell these stories to get more funding? Or do fag youtubers and freelance j*urnalists pick up on it and record a video / write an article for the clickbate. Or a little bit of both?

[Anonymous No.12306401]

>>12306367
no, just america, if youre the wrong nationality its not our fault

[Anonymous No.12306405]

>>12306393
if you take internet as a whole everyones constantly spamming random stuff to see what sticks as the benefits of becoming famous are enormous.

so it could be anyone, from a bored kid to an intelligence agent that benefits from it for some reason to a literal mad man, it doesnt matter, if theres demand for it it will reproduce like a cancer

[Anonymous No.12306407]

>>12306393
Why’d it take this long to see one here?

[Anonymous No.12306410]

>>12306393
Mass media drone churns out a dry and half-hearted article, editor puts a vague important sounding title on it. Normies eat it up, youtubes catch the trend and make some obligatory "WAS IT REALLY ALIUMS?!" clickbait to address the clickbait. It's SEO all the way down.

[Anonymous No.12306415]

The NASA Administer is confirmed by the Senate yes? GOP has the Senate so they could stonewall any appointment

[Anonymous No.12306416]

>>12306342
An entire planet where the population chose to live there, rather than being born into it

[Anonymous No.12306453]

AHHHH BIG FUCKING HOP COMING RIGHT UP

[Anonymous No.12306461]

SN8 testing tonight or no?

[Anonymous No.12306471]

>>12304848
Rigged from the starts by the do-nothing democrats.

>>12305605
Top kek

[Anonymous No.12306472]

Elon is probably watching the election intensely and not focusing on Starship currently

[Anonymous No.12306474]

>>12306342
I’d like to add that the Republican establishment are pieces of shit alongside the Democrat ones. Expect Jim to be replaced by a shill. But it’s ok because Elon is based

[Anonymous No.12306483]

>>12306342
Based

[Anonymous No.12306488]

Seriously though, why doesn’t SpaceX just build expendable Starship/Reusable Superheavy first? Starship is dirt cheap and only uses 3 raptor engines.

[Anonymous No.12306491]

Just reminder: ULA hasn't launched anything to space in more than 3 months (last launch in 7/30).

[Anonymous No.12306492]

>>12306377
Cant believe Starhopper began stacking 2 years ago...damn those were the days. I wasn’t even on /Sci/ at the time. What was it like?

[Anonymous No.12306496]

>>12306488
because he's literally dumber than some random anon on a chinese basket-weaving forum and never took the time to think it through

[Anonymous No.12306498]

>>12306491
NROL-44 was scheduled to launch 69 days ago from today

[Anonymous No.12306507]

>>12306488
the demand doesn't exist to support a diversion like that. Nobody with payloads that big would be willing to take the risk, so why bother?

[Anonymous No.12306526]

imagine if elon ran for president

could he win?

[Anonymous No.12306527]

>>12306526
President for Mars.

[Anonymous No.12306528]

>>12306526
He wasn't born in America so he can't

[Anonymous No.12306536]

>>12306042
Retarded laws. For example Pennsylvania had like a million votes un counted because there is a law that prohibited the count of mail in and early votes until after the election and the republicans there didn't change it like other states

[Anonymous No.12306549]

>>12306042
Multiple problems.

1) State don't want to count mail-in vote early.
2) They want to set time limits on how long vote counting can go on.
3) They want to set limits to how long mail-in votes can be counted
4) They want to set limits to how many mail ballots box can be used for voting.
5) They want to limit the hours people work so mail gets delayed
6) They want to limit volunteers count so volunteers have a normal hour work. There's no shifts because reasons.

The whole mail-in ballots are being sabotaged at every point by Republicans.

[Anonymous No.12306557]

>>12306483
Kek it's the souless stare that made me laugh the most

[Anonymous No.12306559]

>>12306042
NC decided that they're going to hold off till the 12th for some reason lmfao. What a joke.

[Anonymous No.12306579]

>>12306549
Mail-in voting is a great way to make fraud easier.
Voting should be in-person and voter ID required only.

[Anonymous No.12306582]

This is your new NASA administrator, Kendra Horn. She is a good old fashioned patriot who loves our strong partnerships with trusted contractors such as Boeing and ULA and is happy to get them top dollar for their quality work.

Say something nice about her!

[Anonymous No.12306585]

>>12306582
why is she dented?

[Anonymous No.12306592]

>>12306585
She brought up cost-per-ton ONCE at a meeting and boeing brought her in the back room and falco punched the bitch with a rusty pair of brass knuckles with nails soldered on the ends

[Anonymous No.12306627]

>>12306582
At least she likes (some) parts of space.

[Anonymous No.12306630]

>>12306582
>Not Lori

This is okay.

[Anonymous No.12306632]

>>12306526
Most people don't know who he is and wouldn't care but nerds and smart people would vote for him. If he didn't act like a sperg on twitter he could get a lot of votes.
If he ran Democrat he'd talk about environmental stuff. If he ran Republican he could talk business and get votes.
But big oil would slander him and people would believe it.

[Anonymous No.12306634]

Is Jim gone? RIP Artemis

[Anonymous No.12306637]

>>12306634
Jim is 100% gone

[Anonymous No.12306638]

>>12306634
Not yet

[Anonymous No.12306639]

>>12306634
most likely

[Anonymous No.12306646]

It's ogre bros

[Anonymous No.12306647]

>>12306190
Say what you will about the poos but they do know how to make a nice looking rocket

[Anonymous No.12306656]

>>12306634
Weirdest election ever. Winning Ohio and Florida in a landslide but losing the Great Lakes? Crazy.

[Anonymous No.12306669]

OH NO RUSSIA JUST ANNOUNCED ITS NEW ROCKET

[Anonymous No.12306674]

>>12306669

[Anonymous No.12306680]

>>12306669
Rogozin stop playing KSP and get to actual work

[Anonymous No.12306693]

So... any updates for Starship today?

[Anonymous No.12306694]

>>12306693
Static/15km comign monday-wed

[Anonymous No.12306732]

Oh no! The Cossacks have really done it this time bros

[Anonymous No.12306768]

>>12306488
Because for very little more time and money investment you can have literal 200 factor in cost reduction(from 20.000 to 100) in price of kg to orbit instead something thats just a bit cheaper.
People don't really understand how revolutionary this will be it might even end up being cheaper than airline travel

[Anonymous No.12306770]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Anonymous No.12306780]

http://chng.it/rVHh9McDBx
Some redditor started a petition to keep Big Jim as the Big Dog

[Anonymous No.12306787]

>>12306780
Why would you even post this? Go back and get the fuck off my website.

[Anonymous No.12306788]

>>12306780
I'm sure this time a petition will work

[Anonymous No.12306817]

I have been away from /sfg/ for about 4 days. What did I miss?

[Anonymous No.12306822]

>>12306817
some guy had sex a couple of months ago

[Anonymous No.12306828]

>>12306817
Big Jim is probably Kill unless a miracle happens and Either Trump wins, or Biden likes him enough to ignore whoever the Democratic party tells him to appoint, Biden is being Advised on space by somebody who shilled so hard for Boeing, they broke the law, FYI

[Anonymous No.12306831]

>>12306817
Big jim about to be replaced with either the worst boing shill you have ever seen or some yet to be seen republican gremlin who is probably similar in nature.

[Anonymous No.12306840]

>>12306817
A fucking civil war is happening get your guns and stockpile food or join the faction of your choice

[Anonymous No.12306841]

>>12306579
That's racist against all minorities who can't get voting ID tho.

[Anonymous No.12306851]

>>12306840
Is there a roving and pillaging mad max motorbike gang faction?

[Anonymous No.12306852]

>>12306840
I'm russian, so I should be "okay".

[Anonymous No.12306855]

>>12306851
Not yet that happens after the collapse of authority in disputed areas so give it about a month or two

[Anonymous No.12306857]

>>12306852
Stop "rigging" our elections retarded vodkanigger and go sort out your absolutely JUSTed rocket industry.

>>12306855
Hype

[Anonymous No.12306861]

>>12306852
What’s Russia like?

[Anonymous No.12306872]

Has ULA even had 1 launch in the past 6 months?

[Anonymous No.12306881]

>>12306861
Have a panorama of my bedroom window view.

[Anonymous No.12306886]

>>12306872
Yes

[Anonymous No.12306887]

SpaceX GPS launch tomorrow; 6:24 p.m. EST, 23:24 UTC.
I won't forget to make the launch thread this time around! Still kicking myself for that last F9 launch.

[Anonymous No.12306892]

>>12306881
>commieblock meme is real

How do you keep yourself from roping my man? That is some depressing ass shit.

[Anonymous No.12306900]

>>12306892
>commieblock meme is real
As real as it gets. I'm used to it.

[Anonymous No.12306905]

Elon Musk for Caesar. Ave Caesar o/

[Anonymous No.12306908]

>>12306881
>>12306900
>https://youtu.be/gJo1mNRTwCQ

[Anonymous No.12306925]

>>12306908
>>12306900
>>12306881
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GS0OsM6Y7E

[Anonymous No.12306926]

>>12306881
Ewww, commieblocks!
Hope there’s some nice woods around

[Anonymous No.12306930]

>>12306926
>>12306900
lol there's lots of those in the us, they are a style of social housing prominent in the early xx century
granted its more common in russia because the us favours another style of social housing called living in the streets, that's just a tiny wee bit little littlesy more deepressing, dont ya think amerkansky?

[Anonymous No.12307001]

>>12306930
>that's just a tiny wee bit little littlesy more deepressing
No it isn’t. I’m perfectly content with my taxes not paying for those people.

[Anonymous No.12307029]

>>12306840
That's a cope if I've ever seen one.

[Anonymous No.12307032]

>>12306930
>granted its more common in russia because the us favours another style of social housing called living in the streets, that's just a tiny wee bit little littlesy more deepressing, dont ya think amerkansky?

Humans lived for literal millions of years without homes and were fine mentally and emotionally. The concept of owning a personal “home” is recent nonsense. I don’t want to pay for bum housing anyway.

[Anonymous No.12307055]

>Sun Yat-sen University in Guangzhou has started construction of a science centre related to the Chinese Space Station Telescope (Xuntian), expected to launch in 2024 and co-orbit with the Chinese space station.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-11/04/c_139491003.htm

A telescope that is in orbit with a space station and docks with it for maintenance and upgrades is neat.

[Anonymous No.12307057]

>>12307055
Cool but not big enough, chinkoids need to step up the reusability game.

[Anonymous No.12307059]

watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNZx208bw0g

pretty much directly said that hydrogen is a shit 1st stage propellant. All things being equal and accounting for isp differences hydrogen would still need a tank TWICE the size of an RP-1 1st stage.

And this is exactly why hydromeme is always saddled with SRBs. Because making a tank big enough isn't happening.

What I still don't understand is that in spite of this multiple 1st stages used the damn thing. Are NASA rocket designers just fucking dumb? Or maybe this was a clever ploy to maximize the JOBS / TIME ratio

[Anonymous No.12307062]

>>12307055
Pretty cool. Will it have a permanent presence or is it just a temporary place to tether to while doing work on the telescope?

[Anonymous No.12307067]

>>12307059
>Or maybe this was a clever ploy to maximize the JOBS / TIME ratio

Why do you even have to ask this anymore in relation to hydromeme/solid rockets?

[Anonymous No.12307086]

>>12306582
Reminds me of Kendra Lust

[Anonymous No.12307092]

I've been poking around at some papers and think I've found a good unfilled niche for cislunar architecture that oldspace can't immediately snipe. How do I go about hiring AEs/MEs and making a business out of this? I'm a codemonkey by training so I have no misconceptions of my own ability to build garage rockets.

[Anonymous No.12307097]

>>12307092
if you spell it out for us we will tell you why you are wrong

[Anonymous No.12307100]

Hey spacenigs, I need your help.
Why can you say that it the solar system is an inertial system when you take the barycentre as the centre of it? Everything is still orbiting, right?

[Anonymous No.12307106]

>>12307092
If you don't have a few tens of millions lying around then forget about it.

[Anonymous No.12307117]

>>12307097
Without getting into the engine details I think I've found a way to make solar-electric space tugs attractive by fiddling with mass and acceleration budgets to get 5mm/s^2 out of them and I'm working on a standardized interface for cargo pods or satellites. At that acceleration it's a twelve day trip from LEO to the moon instead of 80+ for traditional SEP designs and doesn't need cryogenic OR hypergolic propellant. I'm also working on transfer/refuel station designs for LEO and L2, since I think I can expand the design to fast manned travel to and from Mars without using nukes... but that part doesn't include a lander so it'd need to wait for Elon to build something at Deimos or LMO.

[Anonymous No.12307122]

>>12307117
>I'm also working on transfer/refuel station designs for LEO

This sounds dangerously close to the D-word anon, don't make me nationalise you.

[Anonymous No.12307135]

>>12307122
Like I said, no cryogenics. I'm actually sketching out a Shelby proof station variant that could be launched on SLS Block 1 instead of Starship, and one of my key foundational assumptions is actually that people won't want to pay to tank up a Starship in LEO for everything going to TLI.

[Anonymous No.12307143]

>>12307135
>SLS

Bro if you are actually serious you won't be getting anything into orbit for at least 5, maybe 10 years. You will be using starship, account for that or fail like everyone else.

[Anonymous No.12307144]

Hey /sci/ I don't usually come here unless there's a big event going on, so I'm out of the loop.
What does Bidens victory mean for US space exploration?

[Anonymous No.12307147]

>>12307143
SLS is literally 1000x more expensive, I'm just keeping that option for the memes or in case I strike gold with a NASA contract.

[Anonymous No.12307148]

>>12307144
Anything human spaceflight for NASA will be gassed, depending on how fucked shit is they could gas SpaceX too. No way to know until your overlords tell you.

[Anonymous No.12307153]

>>12307148
That sounds much worse than I expected, holy shit.
I never hoped for someone to be more wrong in my life. Guess we'll see what the overlords decide.

[Anonymous No.12307155]

>>12307117
>5 mm/s^2
uhhhh hmmmmmmmm
I'm not buying it

[Anonymous No.12307162]

>>12307153
the president doesnt decide what gets gassed, otherwise NASA STEM and WFIRST programs would have been canceled. Artemis may be deprioritized, but who gives a shit. SLS, Gateway, HLS arent going anywhere

[Anonymous No.12307164]

>>12307144
Less space exploration, more climate BS, possible planetary protection laws banning SpaceX from going to Mars, in which case Elon would probably go Chinese and turn the universe red.

[Anonymous No.12307165]

>>12307162
>WFIRST

Might as well have been cancelled. Artemis will absolutely be nuked under Biden because that's le drumpfs program.

>SLS, GATEWAY, HLS

programs to nowhere that no one cares about

[Anonymous No.12307168]

>>12307162
I want to believe.

[Anonymous No.12307170]

>>12307164
Why the fuck would you protect Mars? There is nothing there.

[Anonymous No.12307173]

>>12307170
There could be life!!!1111
Therefore we should ban exploring it to protect the life

[Anonymous No.12307182]

>>12307165
Congress controls what NASA does baby doll. They control the money

[Anonymous No.12307184]

>>12307164
Climate BS is ok as long as it implies transitioning from coal to nuclear and speeding up fusion research. But I doubt we're going to see any of that.
Big shame about space exploration tho.

[Anonymous No.12307186]

>>12307170
>Um excuse me sweaty what about the 0.00000000001% of chance of some tiny microbe in a lake 3km deep?

Besides, colonisation is white supremacy anyway.

[Anonymous No.12307194]

>>12307184
>Nuclear bad, here is your miserly fusion budget topup while I give my mate 9999 billion dollars to build garbage wind turbines that are carbon negative and kill every bird in sight
>t. Biden

[Anonymous No.12307196]

>>12307184
>Climate BS is ok as long as it implies transitioning from coal to nuclear and speeding up fusion research.

Democrats don’t like nuclear. It’s wind and solar and brownouts and nation collapse.

[Anonymous No.12307197]

>>12307059
But what if you use the sponge like materials some university developed for hydrogen cars that apparently greatly increases the amount you can pack into tank without having dangerous pressures.

[Anonymous No.12307201]

>>12307194
fuck.

[Anonymous No.12307207]

>>12307197
Is that like the easily mass produced, self regenerating, gigantic energy capacity battery paper that the US military made public a few years back?

Protip if its not commercialised now its because its garbage tier junk "science"

[Anonymous No.12307208]

I think a woman leading NASA is very refreshing

[Anonymous No.12307211]

>>12307197
wouldn't that also greatly increase the weight?

[Anonymous No.12307213]

>>12305486
it is definitely big enough
No one likes data caps and indiab customer service

[Anonymous No.12307214]

>>12307208
Sex is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.12307216]

>>12307214
Men have led NASA for too long

[Anonymous No.12307219]

>>12307196
Well Musk too believes in solar and wind.

[Anonymous No.12307226]

>>12305888
based

[Anonymous No.12307227]

>>12307219
No Musk believes in solar, not wind, and he is right in a technical sense. However the political reality of shipping a massive amount of power from sun rich areas to sun poor areas is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.12307233]

>>12307227
>However the political reality of shipping a massive amount of power from sun rich areas to sun poor areas is hilarious.
It'd be even better if the sun rich area was orbit and the sun poor area was downtown Beijing a square meter at a time.
>ha ha killsat go zap

[Anonymous No.12307264]

>>12306857
>"rigging" our elections
You'll know that we do when votes for Putin start coming in

[Anonymous No.12307290]

>>12306219
The GSLV wouldn't be there without yurop, they helped develop it.

[Anonymous No.12307360]

BIG JIM BIG JIM BIG JIM I SUPPORT BIG JIM I SUPPORT BIG JIM

[Anonymous No.12307395]

>>12306881
I mean, if only the fucking grass grew it would make it a LOT less depressing

[Anonymous No.12307404]

>>12307227
Musk has also talked about wind power for liquid oxygen, and it makes sense because Boca Chica is ridiculously windy. The idea that there's something horrifically wrong with wind power is a maximum overcope by a bunch of trump copelords, get over it or get ready for the rope.

[Anonymous No.12307420]

>>12307144
this election will go on for weeks.

[Anonymous No.12307422]

>>12307147
SLS also has no manufacturing capacity beyond 2 per year. So in addition to how long it might take for the _first_ launch, you then have to fight with all the required launches (Artemis, space telescopes, whatever) to get a launch for your own mission.
If SLS is the answer, it was probably a really stupid question.

[Anonymous No.12307547]

If you were in charge of the first research biodome on Mars, which ecosystem would you pick your samples from which would would be studied for suitability as the biosphere of any terraforming effort?

[Anonymous No.12307551]

anybody have the NOTAM for the 15km hop?

[Anonymous No.12307555]

Guys, if you want space exploration and Jim to stay on at NASA, write to Mark Kelly. He was just elected to the Senate, and he can influence Biden.

[Anonymous No.12307559]

>>12307555
big jim is on record denying climate change exists while he was in congress.

[Anonymous No.12307561]

>>12307555
Not after they pull the 25th amendment handle to feather their SpaceShipTwo. If you think Biden will last more than six months you're a moron.
Enjoy your cackling bitch who didn't even make it to the primary.

[Anonymous No.12307563]

>>12307547
it really depends on what the most precious resource is when we get there. The power needed to simulate sunlight? Water? The nutrients needed to feed dirt? We don't really know at this point, but it would be the biggest thing to take into consideration.

[Anonymous No.12307571]

>>12307547
Not sure about the ecosystem, but I'd probably pick plants that are the hardiest and can withstand the toxic chemicals in martian regolith. GM plants would also be a good idea.

[Anonymous No.12307613]

>>12307197
That's only true compared to gaseous hydrogen. Liquid hydrogen has more hydrogen mass per unit volume than literally any adhesion H2 sponge OR any hydrogen compounds.
Second, as the other anon suggested, the mass of those hydrogen adhesion sponge systems is dominated by the sponge, and hydrogen only makes up a small percentage of the total mass.
Just think about it; rocket stages are pressurized to a few bar for stiffness and pump inlet net positive suction head purposes, but the propellants aren't being kept liquid by pressure alone, they're chilled to cryogenic temperatures.

[Anonymous No.12307617]

>>12307613
>but the propellants aren't being kept liquid by pressure alone
allow me to introduce you to my two friends, the BLEVE and propane

[Anonymous No.12307621]

>>12307219
Musk believes in solar and he believes in Telsa's ability to solve the biggest problem that has always made a predominantly solar powered grid DOA; the ability to store enough energy during the day to last overnight. If Earth were a tidally locked planet we'd have transitioned to solar power for everything decades ago, but unfortunately the Sun shines onto any given area on Earth a bit less than half of the time. Therefore for every gigawatt-hour of continuous power usage you need minimum a gigawatt hour of battery storage capacity plus a two gigawatt 12 hour average solar array.

[Anonymous No.12307631]

>>12307617
Good luck with your dry mass ratio. Same reason pressure fed systems aren't used for main engines.

[Anonymous No.12307636]

>>12307404
>The idea that there's something horrifically wrong with wind power is a maximum overcope by a bunch of trump copelords
Wind has been shit since long before 2016. It's honestly just shitty the way we're implementing the technology, regardless of what you think of the feasibility of wind power overall. We should not be building wind turbines like hundred million dollar jet airliners, it's just too complex and expensive and energy intensive to produce them the way we are and actually get anywhere. ALL modern wind turbine manufacturing is run similar to how oldspace builds rockets; complicated and expensive in order to milk those sweet contracts for everything the governments granting them will supply.
If you really want to do wind power, take Elon's business philosophy into account and spam build a billion simple welded sheet metal turbines which look shit but are only 5% less efficient for 100x less cost and 250x less manufacturing time.

[Anonymous No.12307637]

>>12307631
BLEVE only happens when the liquid is at its boiling point at a pressure above ambient
this is why the Starship Mk1, SN1, and SN3 explosions were so violent
Also, multiple smallsat launch vehicle companies are doing entirely pressure fed rockets. The return of the big dumb booster, only it's small this time.

[Anonymous No.12307645]

>>12307559
Okay, and then he changed his stance after becoming NASA admin, what's your point?

[Anonymous No.12307648]

>>12307617
>allow me to introduce you to my two friends, the BLEVE and propane
There aren't any launch vehicles that use propane fuel though, and even if they did they'd be cooling it to cryogenic temperatures for the added density regardless.
It's odd that propalox has been left out in the cold the way that it has. It has one of the best density-impulse values for any bipropellant, and almost certainly is the best performing bipropellant that doesn't use or produce chemicals that aren't hyper toxic. It's not like sub-cooled propane is significantly harder to handle than kerosene, and besides we use liquid oxygen all the time and that shit is colder AND an oxidizer.

[Anonymous No.12307650]

>>12306905
Elon will be first Elon of Mars. Followed by many Elons to come. It is written.

[Anonymous No.12307651]

>>12307648
there is at least one prospective launch vehicle company using propene though

[Anonymous No.12307655]

>>12307637
>The return of the big dumb booster, only it's small this time.
So they're just dumb boosters, which is an accurate name given that the only attraction of the BDB designs were the benefits you get from scaling up immensely.

[Anonymous No.12307656]

>>12307636
The problem with that logic is that we still fly airliners and is still on par with or superior to solar power (depending on location, of course), with the two being orders of magnitude quicker and cheaper to build out than anything else on the market. The biggest reason you can't build rockets like airliners is you throw all of that shit in the garbage in one use. With full reusability, you could easily justify airliner costs - it just so happens that the solution SpaceX happened upon gets the best of both worlds. You can't compare a one-shot rocket to something that operates for ~20-30yrs near continuously, whether that be a fully reusable rocket, airliner, or wind turbine. Finally, wind turbines simply get so much better with size that there's no benefit on a grid scale from building out lots of small ones. A bigger, higher wind turbine has the potential to output more than entire farm of the next class down. Unlike solar, the trend will be up, not down.

[Anonymous No.12307657]

>>12307651
Aren't they European though? I don't expect them to accomplish anything if I'm being honest.

[Anonymous No.12307661]

>>12307657
Vector Space Systems is using pressure fed RP1/LOx, this time without infamous rocket scam artist Jim Cantrell
I'm going to keep digging

[Anonymous No.12307664]

>>12306822
Lmao

[Anonymous No.12307673]

>>12307208
Just as irrelevant as wanting someone with green eyes or color blindness, for the sake of diversity. Unless someone is better than big jim, NASA doesn’t need any new administrator. The top 3 people expected to replace Jim (both republican and democrat) are fucking AWFUL

[Anonymous No.12307676]

>>12307656
>You can't compare a one-shot rocket to something that operates for ~20-30yrs near continuously, whether that be a fully reusable rocket, airliner, or wind turbine.
Starship ain't a one shot rocket. Also, why do you think stainless steel wind turbines wouldn't last as long as glass fiber composite and aluminum wind turbines? I'm saying design them for long lifetimes, sure, but use cheaper materials that can be recycled easily.
>Finally, wind turbines simply get so much better with size that there's no benefit on a grid scale from building out lots of small ones.
Who said anything about making them small? I said you need to make a shitload of them, even if they're big as fuck that's still true.
To reiterate my point, I said if you want to do wind power you are looking to replace fossil fuels which means you need terawatts of capacity, which means you need to come up with a design that can be constructed on those scales without spending a gorillion dollars and taking 300 years. Therefore, simple construction, simple materials, simple and rapid manufacturing, and ideally recycle all your old shit one shit breaks down in 30+ years.

[Anonymous No.12307679]

>>12307661
So, not propalox, okay. I think maybe you confused which comment thread was which?
Also I thought vectorspace died a while ago

[Anonymous No.12307683]

>>12307679
no I didn't get confused, I just stopped giving a shit
yes, Vector died
no, Vector is alive again (but without Jim) but now they're focusing on reusable sounding rockets until they get something they think they can put a second stage on and make an orbital smallsat vehicle
before Vector died, they were using Propene, but they were only testing injectors and stuff trying to get an engine working and one time their suppliers delivered them propane and they didn't notice

[Anonymous No.12307692]

>>12307676
>Starship ain't a one shot rocket.
That's not what I said. I said you can't compare a one-shot rocket to something with a long life of near-continuous use to something you throw away in one use. The rockets being built like airliners are the same ones being thrown away in one use. It is this combination which damns them. With a long lifespan and high output, up front cost becomes an insignificant factor in overall cost and for this reason things like airliners and wind turbines don't have the downward market pressure on up front cost to justify anything which would impact lifespan or output. And yes making a large grid scale turbine out of anything heavier than balsa wood or carbon fiber would impact those things because inertia exists.

[Anonymous No.12307696]

>>12307683
>and one time their suppliers delivered them propane and they didn't notice
lmao, so this is the power of propene's performance

[Anonymous No.12307705]

>>12307692
>And yes making a large grid scale turbine out of anything heavier than balsa wood or carbon fiber would impact those things because inertia exists
Stainless steel honeycomb lmao. Yeah, notice in my other comments I'm saying we should accept the loss in efficiency on purpose, because for the same money we can end up with a lot more capacity anyway and at the end of the day we're using materials that we know are easy to recycle, versus composites which I don't think anyone has tried to recycle before (and what I mean by that is, for example, breaking down an old busted composite turbine blade and using that stuff to make a new turbine blade).

[Anonymous No.12307715]

>>12307705
Boca Chica with a fleet of stainless steel zeppelin turbines all tethered in a field would be sick not gonna lie. Practical? Necessary? No. But it would look cool

[Anonymous No.12307725]

>>12307715
>A vacuum airship, also known as a vacuum balloon, is a hypothetical airship that is evacuated rather than filled with a lighter-than-air gas such as hydrogen or helium...
>...the vacuum balloon would be the ultimate expression of lifting power per volume displaced.
Instead of filling it with hydrogen or helium, fill it with NOTHING. A vacuum would get you lift. They don't use them for human zeppelins because of the danger of implosion. But a fleet of quick-built cheap zeppelin air farmships would be kino

[Anonymous No.12307726]

>>12307705
>Yeah, notice in my other comments I'm saying we should accept the loss in efficiency on purpose
Yeah, but that's not where the market is. The big turbines today are multi megawatt beasts. Accepting a big tradeoff in power (which is what this amounts to) just to cut some material cost in the blade absolutely is not worth it - you're basically cutting off entire factories worth of electricity per turbine. And the rest of the thing downstream either has to be hugely beefed up (remember these things need to withstand a certain rotation rate, and also need to brake) or massively sacrificed in lifespan - both of which would swamp the cost of the turbine blade.

[Anonymous No.12307757]

>>12307726
Dude, shut the fuck up. I'm telling you that you could still build a multi megawatt turbine using steel, you'd get maybe two megawatts less per turbine, but you could afford 10x more of them.
YOU are trading the power requirements of an entire CITY to chase a bigger per-turbine efficiency value. You know what that sounds like to me? It sounds a lot like the logic behind why people fell for the Hydrogen meme time and time again.
Don't look at efficiency alone, Look at EFFECTIVENESS. Is it more effective to use expensive non-recyclable turbines, or is it more effective to build out of thin steel, given that you can afford to put up more of the latter and get a bigger power budget for less cost?

[Anonymous No.12307760]

>>12307725
Vacuum balloons don't exist because we don't have any materials strong enough to hold back that kind of pressure differential and still have a low enough mass to volume ratio to generate lift.

[Anonymous No.12307771]

>>12307757
>Dude, shut the fuck up.
Be wrong at someone else then.
>I'm telling you that you could still build a multi megawatt turbine using steel, you'd get maybe two megawatts less per turbine, but you could afford 10x more of them.
And I'm telling you that you aren't factoring in the cost of reduced lifespan or increased cost in the rest of the turbine systems. You just keep screaming steel turbines but not understanding that a steel turbine would have greater demands on the rest of the structure which don't bare out the savings.

[Anonymous No.12307795]

>>12307760
Let me have my zeppelin future god dammit

[Anonymous No.12307801]

>>12307771
>the cost of reduced lifespan or increased cost in the rest of the turbine systems. You just keep screaming steel turbines but not understanding that a steel turbine would have greater demands on the rest of the structure which don't bare out the savings.
Make the whole goddamn thing out of steel, retard

[Anonymous No.12307803]

>>12307801
.. Are you actually retarded? They already make the structure out of steel. Did you think they make the pylon, generator, and breaks out of carbon fiber? Sincerely, are you mentally deficient? Do you have a fucking problem?

[Anonymous No.12307805]

>>12307795
Just use hydrogen lifting gas
>flammable
So?

[Anonymous No.12307810]

>>12307795
Are those houses in the background where the boomers live who refuse to move out? I didn’t realize they were that close. Also i’ve heard there are only 4 people left who have yet to move. Fucking four people delaying the future of the human race

[Anonymous No.12307811]

>>12307803
Thicker steel, problem solved
The cost of the additional steel will be <10% the cost of a composite turbine

[Anonymous No.12307818]

>here's your renewable energy source, bro

[Anonymous No.12307820]

>>12307811
Give this man a job in boca chica right now. He is a true MARTIAN patriot. Stainless steel creates JOBS both here and offworld

[Anonymous No.12307825]

>>12307811
Good luck retard, the blade is under 5% of the total cost.

[Anonymous No.12307826]

Why the fuck would Elon want to get into the windfarm business anyways? He will have a fusion reactor on the island soon
>Source: Fusion is only 10 years away

[Anonymous No.12307829]

>>12307826
>>Source: Fusion is only 10 years away

[Anonymous No.12307831]

Huh, got a 24-hour ban for posting the
>fav rocket
>beautiful rocket
survey lol.
Anyways, looks like we will have the hop in a week!

[Anonymous No.12307835]

>got caught up in some autism
>when I was done I noticed there's a new thread that a fag OP didn't link
>>12307313
>>12307313
>>12307313
>>12307313

[Anonymous No.12307865]

>>12307826
>>Source: Fusion is only 10 years away
Correction: energy positive fusion is 10 years away, commercial is god knows how far.

[Anonymous No.12307938]

>>12307811
You’re a fucking numb skull dude

[Anonymous No.12308157]

Y'all's should make use of this time to read up on the ethics of space exploration, it's not as simple as winner takes all, I planted my flag so its mine. It is crucial to learn about and take into account different perspectives. 3/4 of the world's population lives in nations without space programs or even access to the fruits of space exploration. We must not repeat the mistakes of the past and build new walls of socioeconomic and ethnic division, every voice needs to count.

[Anonymous No.12308164]

>>12308157
Forgot pic related

[Anonymous No.12308176]

>>12308157
No flag no country nigger

[Anonymous No.12308196]

>>12308157
>Y'all
Into the trash it goes.

[Anonymous No.12308220]

>>12308157
>Y'all's should make use of this time to read up on the ethics of space exploration, it's not as simple as winner takes all, I planted my flag so its mine.

Yes it is.

> 3/4 of the world's population lives in nations without space programs or even access to the fruits of space exploration.

Fuck them.

> We must not repeat the mistakes of the past and build new walls of socioeconomic and ethnic division, every voice needs to count.

Nah.

[Anonymous No.12308331]

>>12308164
>(((schwartz)))

Every single time