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Is programming completely saturated now? My brother is 22 and thinking about going to school for it. I'm thinking the market has fucked all the new students because they pushed such a shortage of programmers, all the kids went to school to learn, now that market has such an abundance of candidates it wants you to have 7 years experience and be able to have 3 stacks under your belt but in term pays 40k to start if you can even find a job.

>> No.12253146

>>12253131
I donno, I work in a engineer-heavy field as a programmer, make a lot of money and they would definately want to hire more good people. Especially if they are women.

>> No.12253217

>>12253131
depends

if he’s a white male then there’s no hope for him. unless he starts identifying as a woman or something

>> No.12253224

>>12253131
>going to school
first mistake

>> No.12253320

>>12253131
No you absolute mong...as things get more and more automated we will need more and more programmers, until every single person in the world is a programmer that programs programs.

>> No.12253340
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12253340

>>12253131
It's already becoming like law, where the top 5% make 90% of the money. The rest fight for scraps and are lucky to get a job. Your brother will never be able to compete with autists like me

>> No.12253389

>>12253340
based as fuck. Autists of the world, unite

>> No.12253471

>>12253131
Just go into mathematics and learn programming as a hobby.

>> No.12253484

>>12253131
you're thinking about programming.
average wage of a CS major after graduating from my uni is six figures starting.
plus it's a good double major.
t. applied math and computation CS double major
I guess retard end user scum wouldn't understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNwWQ9zGT-8&t=60s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwSm8GzqdBg&t=3s
maybe tell your brother to going into a long dead field instead?

>> No.12253490

>>12253471
Just go into CS and learn math and programming as a hobby

>> No.12253516

>>12253131
>Is programming completely saturated now?
For incompetent programmers? Yes

>> No.12253532

>>12253516
What’s the best degree for being incompetent then

>> No.12253582

>>12253532
Dunno I'm just a Software Engineering undergrad (which is not CS), I learned to program and I worked some months as a programmer long before going to uni.
I'm not from the US but I can see that many CS courses there are meme tier, still you can find something if you keep trying for a very long time after you got the degree

>> No.12253718

>>12253320
>a programmer that programs programs
Unlike a programmer that programs bottles of Caesar dressing?

>> No.12253724

>>12253131
Tell him to try Codeforces to see if he's fit for programming

>> No.12253840

>>12253484
lol you wish

>> No.12253947

>>12253718
you sound like you enjoy cum very much

>> No.12255388

>>12253131
Yes it is saturated

>> No.12255397

>>12253840
the poor fags seething becomes harder to hear each figure I make.

>> No.12255538

>>12255397
You're never going to make that, but I also wish I was young and naive as well

>> No.12255575

>>12253131
No, it's still pretty easy to get a good job as a software engineer.

>> No.12256307

define 'saturated' here. it seems like there isnt a single degree that ISNT saturated so really the question we should be asking is which degrees are the least shitty. as far as CS goes, its an important on demand skill and you actually have opportunities for projects and more. considering that millions of people graduate as economics or business majors it seems like cs is still a good option

>> No.12256323

>>12253131
coding is mostly grunt work anyways, if I were at his age and I had to start all over I would have opted for a more theoretical path, like AI research or smth

>> No.12256409

>>12255575
>it's still pretty easy to get a good job
No it is not ,stop spreading that lie.

>> No.12256498

Tell him to go in to Data Science. There are a lot of good ML coders out there but not that many who understand the ideas conceptually.

>> No.12256519

>>12253131
I don't know about the US, but here in Germany I'm basically guaranteed a job as a programmer once I get my CS bachelor's degree.
Only thing remaining is the thesis.

>> No.12256565

if you know your shit, there is more demand then ever
If you want to be a web dev you might as well learn word press, more demand there

>> No.12257637

>>12256409
It's easy if you get a bachelor's in CS and actually paid attention in school.

>> No.12259655

>>12253131
>Is programming completely saturated now?
No.
Companies just claim so to employees to keep salaries down.
Companies also claim the very opposite to everyone else to make sure there are many candidates available.

>> No.12259662
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12259662

This >>12253340 is kinda true except most people are still making bank, even shit programmers. Give it another 10-20 years and not so sure.

>> No.12259923

>>12259655
Are you just speculating or do you have anything to back that up? I have a bachelor’s and a master’s degree in CS and even in this pandemic it took me less than two months to find a good job.

>> No.12259992

>>12253131
i checked job listings a month ago in my area
%85 were programming related

>> No.12260038

>>12253131
programming is shifting to 3rd world countries because its much cheaper to pay for labor here.

>> No.12261008

>>12253131

Here in Western Europe it's not saturated at all.

Maybe more than 7 years ago or so, but there is still more supply than demand