Official countdown to the Venus Ayyyylmao announcement thread. Two hours to go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IIj3e5BFp0

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Anonymous Mon Sep 14 08:42:51 2020 No.12118820 [Reply] [Original]

Official countdown to the Venus Ayyyylmao announcement thread.
Two hours to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IIj3e5BFp0

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:36:01 2020 No.12118959 Bump it tards

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:38:14 2020 No.12118965 >>12118820 so what's the deal with the wait? can't they just publish their findings? is this just astrofaggotry?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:38:25 2020 No.12118966 >>12118820 thank you, was about to come ask for link to the stream

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:39:25 2020 No.12118968 >>12118820 Cute alien wife...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:43:41 2020 No.12118981 alien bacteria yogurt...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:50:50 2020 No.12118992 i have to say i am exited and nervous at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:53:20 2020 No.12118997 >>12118992 Same here

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:54:40 2020 No.12119000 Why is there fuck all about this online?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:56:30 2020 No.12119007 >>12119000 EMBARGO

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:57:47 2020 No.12119009 >>12119007 I CAN'T WAIT AN HOUR REEEE

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:00:18 2020 No.12119013

NB4 "Remember that phosphine they found last year? We're just going to say that again.!"

Also, Weasel Word drinking game -- for every might, could, maybe, possibly, conceivably and the like, take a drink.

Science by Press Release is the cancer that is killing science.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:01:09 2020 No.12119015 >>12119013 >for every might, could, maybe, possibly, conceivably and the like, take a drink. RIP

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:01:37 2020 No.12119016 >>12118965 Scientia ad Pressreleaseia

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:02:16 2020 No.12119018 >>12119013 Bro pls my liver, I don't have health insurance

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:02:38 2020 No.12119019 File: 86 KB, 768x570, laugh lions.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119015

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:02:54 2020 No.12119020 >>12119013 This would be deadly even if you were just drinking water.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:04:50 2020 No.12119021 >>12118820 Do u really expect me to believe some molecules can just rearrange themselves into life accidentally? Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:07:23 2020 No.12119026 File: 61 KB, 1200x679, 1599711905900.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12118820 100% without a shadow of a doubt absolutely, positively, definitely guarantee this is gonna be just a nothing burger fest aimed at finding funds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:10:28 2020 No.12119034 >>12119026 I feel disappointed already

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:13:32 2020 No.12119039 File: 117 KB, 652x699, 2245EB4D-80DF-42D0-93E7-DA9892A9BC0B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It’s gonna be just something like “planet x which is also a million light years away MIGHT host life!” or something underwhelming like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:13:56 2020 No.12119041 >we have found stinky bacteria farts, give mo' money fo' dem probes I just saved you some time

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:14:22 2020 No.12119043 >>12119034 Feel that pain? That's weakness leaving your body. You are stronger now, thanks to SCIENCE!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:15:47 2020 No.12119048 >>12119041 Stinky bacteria farts on the most hostile planet in our solar system would be massive news

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:21:25 2020 No.12119060 If you need something to do to fill the next few minutes, there is an /x/ thread on this. It's surprisinlgy similar to this one. I mean, not totally, more pics of Ghidora and references to loosh harvesting, but the essentials are the same.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:22:27 2020 No.12119061 >>12119048 You mean the phosphine we've known about since at least December? Might be big, but at this point it is not really news.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:22:38 2020 No.12119062 >>12119048 Methane is abundant in Uranus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:24:02 2020 No.12119065 >>12119060 but we're already on /x/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:25:42 2020 No.12119067 >>12119061 I admit I knew nothing of it, I must have missed the announcement >>12119062 brap the fuck off!?!?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:32:15 2020 No.12119081 >>12118965 They are going to disclose that they found an intelligent civilization in the atmosphere of Venus, and they want to exchange waifus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:33:17 2020 No.12119084 >>12119048 >most hostile Jupiter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:34:21 2020 No.12119091 >>12119081 >mfw aliens may be fapping to /d/, and think /h/ is to weird for their taste.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:34:22 2020 No.12119092 >>12119084 Nibiru

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:35:33 2020 No.12119099 File: 234 KB, 840x667, 20130308_14ISPOLAR_01_truecolor_f840.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12118820 venus best planet

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:35:43 2020 No.12119100

>>12119084
In a way it doesn't matter -- they'll all kill you unless you have protective systems, and if your systems fail they kill you then.

Much of Earth is similar.

You don't get more dead if Jupiter kills you than if the middle of the Pacific kills you, or venus does, or Antarctica.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:36:10 2020 No.12119103 >>12118820 24 MINUTES UNTIL AYY LMAOS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:39:25 2020 No.12119113 How do you even land in Jupiter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:41:04 2020 No.12119124 >>12119113 I tried to land a probe on Jool in KSP and just blew up

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:42:22 2020 No.12119126 >>12119099 But that’s Io...

>>	mr Chungus Mon Sep 14 10:43:00 2020 No.12119130 >>12119126 no retard, thats venus

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:43:21 2020 No.12119132 >>12119113 You can't. I guess you could land on the planet's core if you don't mind being absolutely crushed. Why would you want to?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:44:34 2020 No.12119136 >>12119126 retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:44:39 2020 No.12119138 Janny can we sticky this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:46:16 2020 No.12119144 File: 256 KB, 1280x720, lottery.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119099 Mercury is better since it's the perfect factory setting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:46:56 2020 No.12119148 >>12119130 No it isn't

>>	mr Chungus Mon Sep 14 10:48:27 2020 No.12119153 File: 127 KB, 500x406, 1598649773759.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119148 it is tho. you absolute moron

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:48:33 2020 No.12119155 >>12119148 >>12119130 >>12119126 >>12119099 ok guys im sorry i was just shitting on you. it's Io

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:49:30 2020 No.12119157 >>12119155 >>12119153 Go back, frogposter

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:49:39 2020 No.12119159 >>12119126 >he doesn't know

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:51:25 2020 No.12119168 THREAD THEME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2bxItGL8AU

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:51:28 2020 No.12119169 >>12118820 niggers tongue my venus

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:51:56 2020 No.12119172 >>12119138 It’s gonna be a nothingburger and thus not be stickied.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:52:04 2020 No.12119173 >>12119132 To see if the core is really made of metallic hydrogen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:52:30 2020 No.12119174 Why is GEOTUS not making the announcement?

>>	mr Chungus Mon Sep 14 10:53:43 2020 No.12119177 File: 3 KB, 125x124, 1558693869005s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119157 no also, can't wait for the nothingburger

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:54:33 2020 No.12119181 Bump for it's really ayys this time

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:54:52 2020 No.12119184 File: 13 KB, 320x320, 1560294356234.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Posting on an epic bread

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:55:02 2020 No.12119185 >>12118820 >it's a zoom call

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:55:31 2020 No.12119186 File: 33 KB, 600x600, 1522762036504.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119185

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:57:28 2020 No.12119191 >>12119172 Stop spamming shit about it being a nothingburger, are you saying that in the hope that it will be something huge?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:59:08 2020 No.12119194 it's been seconds for about minutes now REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:59:46 2020 No.12119197
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>TFW no nation will send a crew to make first contact with our alien bros, let alone a probe.

It feels like there is no hype behind space exploration. Politicians will complain it will cost 50 mil to send a probe, and turn around and spend 1 bil on their child sex slaves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:59:50 2020 No.12119198 What if an alien is hosting the press conference?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:00:24 2020 No.12119202 File: 21 KB, 298x234, 1BB45446-EBB4-466C-B141-3CD5D5147B01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119191 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:00:29 2020 No.12119203 life but 2 000 000 000 000 years ago

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:00:53 2020 No.12119205 JANNY STICKY THIS THREAD PLEASE

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:01:33 2020 No.12119208 it's just another fucking countdown

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:01:47 2020 No.12119209 ITS HAPPENING NIGGERS

>>	mr Chungus Mon Sep 14 11:02:00 2020 No.12119210 IM GONNA COOOOOOOOOOOOOOM AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:02:07 2020 No.12119211 >>12119208 The Venus aliens have fired a missile and this is how long we have

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:02:35 2020 No.12119213 >News explainer how is that not an insult

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:02:44 2020 No.12119215 Ohnononono

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:02:54 2020 No.12119217 ITS FUCKING NOTHING

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:03:32 2020 No.12119220 File: 41 KB, 594x406, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] STUDY IS OUT STUDY IS OUT STUDY IS OUT

>>	mr Chungus Mon Sep 14 11:03:39 2020 No.12119221 ahahahaha fucking nothing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:03:45 2020 No.12119222 It feels like fucking high-school presentation

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:03:51 2020 No.12119224 >>12119185 Is Zoom the new generic term for webcam conference now? Cause they're making it that way. They got lucky cause of the pandemic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:03:52 2020 No.12119225 File: 17 KB, 549x299, D_KQ2wEVAAAIv2k.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Venus phosphate, nothinburguer "gimme founds" bait confirmed. nothing to see here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:04:34 2020 No.12119226 >We found phosphene >Well we think it COULD be ayys You guys called it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:04:57 2020 No.12119228 >>12119220 link?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:05:27 2020 No.12119230 SQUIGGLY Q U I G G L Y

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:05:31 2020 No.12119231 >>12119220 >We made the study free >Rent or Buy article

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:06:09 2020 No.12119232 Damn this is some high quality MS paint tier presentation

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:06:30 2020 No.12119235 >>12119226 I'm dying of alcohol poisoning already

>>	mr Chungus Mon Sep 14 11:06:47 2020 No.12119236 File: 8 KB, 248x250, 1558835965171s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12118820 ALIENS WERE NOT ANNOUNCED REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:00 2020 No.12119238 >is there life >i really HOPE so >fucking ends

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:07 2020 No.12119239 >>12119043 Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:16 2020 No.12119241 Fucking hell that was it? I was expecting a press conference

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:23 2020 No.12119242 Do euros really need their presentations in this toddler format to understand it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:28 2020 No.12119244 >>12119226 >>12119236 How do you expect astronomers to detect microbial life with a telescope?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:30 2020 No.12119245 THAT'S ALL FOLKS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:31 2020 No.12119246 >>12119220 bls link

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:31 2020 No.12119247 great presentation the paper https://www.eso.org/public/archives/releases/sciencepapers/eso2015/eso2015a.pdf

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:33 2020 No.12119248 this is disgusting

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:41 2020 No.12119249 File: 211 KB, 956x1280, hb2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:41 2020 No.12119250 LMAOOO what the fuck was that shit? I did better presentations on 4th grade

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:49 2020 No.12119251 File: 26 KB, 364x375, 1480996606934.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] NOTHING BURGER

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:51 2020 No.12119252 >it's over KEK NOTHING WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT BY THE LEAKS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:53 2020 No.12119253 File: 28 KB, 600x600, 771[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >shut it down

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:07:55 2020 No.12119254 >>12118820 >waiting 2 hours for this. why are astronomers such absolute fucking NIGGERS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:08:07 2020 No.12119257 File: 59 KB, 675x450, 1591307093870.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Well that was shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:08:36 2020 No.12119260 >>12119242 No, it's just the Britbongs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:08:59 2020 No.12119261 File: 119 KB, 583x482, apu_tiresome.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT I STAYED UP TO 1AM FOR POSTS I'VE READ ON SCI 4 DAYS AGO

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:09:02 2020 No.12119262 File: 23 KB, 375x542, images (51).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What The fuck was that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:09:02 2020 No.12119263 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1u-jlf_Olo&ab_channel=RoyalAstronomicalSociety you guys are dumb

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:09:13 2020 No.12119265 Why do astronomy announcements always disappointment?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:09:14 2020 No.12119266 Probe the chode or just give up caring

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:09:22 2020 No.12119267 >NON-GAY STREAM HERE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1u-jlf_Olo

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:09:49 2020 No.12119268 >>12119247 thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:10:23 2020 No.12119271 Goddammit I was gonna take a nap but I wanted to see it What a waste I thought they would at least talk about soviet contamination and hopefully some stuff we haven't already known for days

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:10:33 2020 No.12119273 >>12119254 all scientists are, they suck biddy and over-hype anything in order to get "muh funds"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:10:42 2020 No.12119275 >>12119263 >chat is disabled It seems they learned about their blunder in the previous video kek

>>	mr Chungus Mon Sep 14 11:10:45 2020 No.12119276 >>12119244 yes

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:10:48 2020 No.12119278
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>>12118820
This is totally retarded. This is sooooooo fucking retarded.
The presence of phosphine doesn't mean the presence of life!
Why these earth scientists don't start asking a chemist what reactions (there are many) can create phosphine instead ?

20 molecules for each billion molecules
LMAO
fucking retarded clickbait.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:11:01 2020 No.12119279 >>12119242 Show me high IQ big brain American announcements? How many advertisements per minute shilling fast food?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:11:08 2020 No.12119281 >he is watching the popsci stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1u-jlf_Olo

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:11:16 2020 No.12119282 >tiny amount of phosphene >So it's literally to volcanism Let's go burn down the observatory so this'll never happen again!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:11:40 2020 No.12119283 >>12119253 The call that saved /sci/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:11:43 2020 No.12119284 >>12119263 >it's a ZOOM CONFERENCE This is not real.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:11:50 2020 No.12119285 It’s nothing!!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:11:56 2020 No.12119286 File: 223 KB, 632x632, cursed_chihuahua_image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119263 >20 molecules for every billion molecules

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:12:32 2020 No.12119288 >>12119278 How is it clickbait? They maaaayyyy have tried that already, dumbass

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:12:54 2020 No.12119289 >Uuuh... >Ah... >Eh... What a fucking circus science has become.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:12:55 2020 No.12119290 >actual boomers trying to use technology

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:13:07 2020 No.12119291 >uh uh uh uh uh

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:13:33 2020 No.12119293

They didn’t even have to say “Confirmed”. All they had to do was give a little bit of hype and these fucking idiots would be drowning in funding as governments and autistic billionaires bankrolled the shit out of anything remotely related to space for the next decade. We could have had a fucking space new deal type mobilisation of labour, minds and resources.

Instead they give us this shit, as if we don’t already know what this most likely means.

Way to go spergs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:13:36 2020 No.12119294 pauses for 10 seconds uhhh sooo pauses for 5 seconds uhhh...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:13:49 2020 No.12119295 ABIOTICKEKS GETTING BTFO RN

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:13:59 2020 No.12119296 >>12119278 >some random NEET on 4chan thinks he knows more than a team of scientists

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:14:23 2020 No.12119298 File: 2.04 MB, 356x200, E57A00A5-0562-4ACE-9608-B2AADE28BA3D.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wow it’s fucking nothing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:14:54 2020 No.12119300 >>12119288 it is the press conference equivalent of clickbait. sensationalistic claims based on nothing except the mental retardation of non chemists ignoring what happens when phosphate rocks are put in a sulfuric acid environment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:15:03 2020 No.12119302 the Dr phosphined his pants

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:15:04 2020 No.12119301 >>12119296 the random NEET doesn't have the incentive to hype up expectations for funding and fame

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:15:04 2020 No.12119303 >>12119293 is this bait they said there may be life on another planet. that's pretty exciting and the news is going to be all over it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:15:15 2020 No.12119304 >>12119282 They just said production of phosphine by volcanoes would be in the parts per quadrillion

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:15:25 2020 No.12119305 >>12118820 THE CLOUDMEN ARE COMING

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:15:36 2020 No.12119308 File: 37 KB, 398x376, 1554734320007.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >doubters getting BTFO right now

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:16:01 2020 No.12119309 >>12119293 This is why scientists need PR people for big announcements like this one. We are talking about people so focused on their field of study that they have next to no social skills.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:16:02 2020 No.12119310 >>12119301 >to hype up expectations for funding and fame this, sadly some parts of academia (I'm in academia so I know what I'm talking about) are literally intellectual whores

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:16:18 2020 No.12119312 Please move this window away from the shared application

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:16:52 2020 No.12119313 File: 13 KB, 400x523, 1597033883173.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The first image of a native Venetian Accidentally revealed his existence by farting too much phosphine

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:17:03 2020 No.12119314 File: 123 KB, 410x410, 1531761455031.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the fucking fuck is this? The whole shit is I showed you my phosphine now answer me!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:17:11 2020 No.12119315 >>12119244 I don't know what I expected desu. Just got hyped up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:17:19 2020 No.12119316 Give it to me straight /sci/, did we find ayys?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:17:25 2020 No.12119318 >>12119308 sincerely, they're doing some advanced circular reasoning there. They're being intellectual whores for funding and fame.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:18:48 2020 No.12119321 Thank for the precisation they're not claiming they found life lol. I'm sure all normie / low IQ newspapers would have said that there was life on Venus tomorrow instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:18:57 2020 No.12119322 File: 23 KB, 500x600, 563962_425979550772880_1273511838_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >we are not claiming about life in venus >we are not claiming about life in venus >we are not claiming about life in venus

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:19:08 2020 No.12119323 >>12119316 maybe

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:19:33 2020 No.12119324 >Amerifats putting a dampener on it because Brits discovered life on Venus Toppest of keks

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:19:48 2020 No.12119327 >>12119316 Basically, there’s 2 main possibilities: >our knowledge about Venus’ composition and atmosphere is severely flawed >it’s ayys

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:20:02 2020 No.12119329 File: 10 KB, 400x400, Venus.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119099 APOLOGIZE

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:20:24 2020 No.12119331 >>12119316 >did we find ayys no, they were doing some scientific clickbait until they stated clearly that they didn't find life. They were very happy to do it after 30 minutes of presentation tho. Everyone took the bait.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:20:34 2020 No.12119332 >>12119327 It’s gonna be 1, guarantee it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:21:16 2020 No.12119333 >>12119327 it's ayys

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:21:23 2020 No.12119334 >>12119332 probably

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:21:25 2020 No.12119335 >>12119322 finally they stated it! It only took 30 minutes. I wonder why... what do you think frens?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:21:46 2020 No.12119337 >>12119327 you forgot >same origin >contamination

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:22:20 2020 No.12119339

>>12119316
We found material that could be the result of an organic process but could also be due to inorganic process as well. Either the clouds are filled with what could be similar to earth bacteria or its the result of an yet unknown unorganic process.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:22:31 2020 No.12119341 >>12119296 >some random NEET some random NEET that casually has a PhD in atmospheric chemistry...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:23:15 2020 No.12119344 >>12119332 >guarantee it Doesn't sound scientific

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:23:20 2020 No.12119345 >>12119337 contamination is not a possibility you moron

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:23:36 2020 No.12119346 >>12119341 Did you get it from the university of life? lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:23:45 2020 No.12119348 >>12119335 >>12119331 samefag

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:24:01 2020 No.12119349

>>12119278
There is only two ways phosphine gas can be present on Venus.

1. There is human colony on there with a lab producing the gas
2. There is microbial life on there

that's it. That's the only two known to science ways it can be produced you FUCKING RETARD. The alternative is an unknown chemical reaction that science has never experienced OR there is an unknown element causing it. Either way, there is something new there. This isn't clickbait you fucking shit.

>>12119322
Of course not, the original interview never claimed there was life. All they said was 'the only way the phosphine gas can be there is if there was life. Prove us wrong'. That's it.

>>12119327
It's more than severely flawed. It's completely and utterly wrong. It's so wrong that it's going to change everything in terms of planetary research.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:24:10 2020 No.12119350 >>12119039 exactly, you understood

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:24:30 2020 No.12119353 >>12119341 >PhD in atmospheric chemistry lmao, 500k starting amirite?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:24:34 2020 No.12119354 >>12118820 Why does the zoom logo have to be so huge and obnoxious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:25:29 2020 No.12119356 >>12119348 correct, it's me expressing my rage for press conference that sell you smoke without having the meat

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:26:27 2020 No.12119358 Give up there's no life in the solar system, lads.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:26:33 2020 No.12119359 >>12119346 no from ETH Zurich >>12119353 I'm 32 and get 12k CHF each month as researcher

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:27:19 2020 No.12119362

>>12119349
>The alternative is an unknown chemical reaction that science has never experienced
Except they already showed possible abiological processes that could be producing it but they argue that it wouldn't produce as much as they detected, while saying at the same time that Venus's geological processes are a mystery which makes their previous statement empty.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:27:27 2020 No.12119363 >>12119278 And? In our Atmosphere, phosphine is counted on a parts-per-trillion basis, and is still considered a biosignature.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:27:34 2020 No.12119364

>>12119278
Except they have already covered up chemical reactions you fucking retard. They know you can make phosphine gas in a lab. That's it though. A Lab. There is no labs on Venus that we know of. The alternative is life. If you have this knowledge, then you'd know that the chemicals and environment to make phosphine gas isn't present on Venus.

If it is, then we're so completely wrong about Venus that we have to start again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:27:45 2020 No.12119365 >>12119349 > The alternative is an unknown chemical reaction that science has never experienced Highly likely on a foreign celestial object with a completely different makeup and atmosphere, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:27:48 2020 No.12119366 File: 1.66 MB, 512x512, 1599748562257.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12118820 >venuz, de woman planet, is braping out life you cant make this shit up

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:27:53 2020 No.12119368 Annnnnnd NOTHING BURGER Awesome. Back to the monotony of being a retarded ape on an ape sanctuary in the vast nothingness.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:28:06 2020 No.12119369 >>12119341 So why would you make such a dumb post when they clearly have chemists in the news press conference?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:28:16 2020 No.12119370 >>12119349 >There is only two ways wrong, sadly There are at least 10 reactions that come to my mind that could generate phosphine from Venus environment and pressure. You're a retard and probably american too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:29:16 2020 No.12119380 >>12119370 Wow anon, you're so smart! It's not like the team WENT OVER THESE EXACT REACTIONS AND PROVED THEM TO BE INSUFFICIENT IN EXPLAINING THEIR FINDINGS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:29:20 2020 No.12119381 guy said the chemical path works out to about 44mg of phosphine across the whole planet using known chemistry

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:29:31 2020 No.12119382 >either there is some new chemistry we don't know about >or there is life and you're saying nothingburger. God I hate normies

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:29:47 2020 No.12119384 >>12119370 Because of interaction with the sun or some process on the ground. They ruled those out. Read the paper, retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:29:52 2020 No.12119386 >>12119370 And yet the scientists working on it have already discussed this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:30:22 2020 No.12119387 https://www.nature.com/articles/ s41550 -020-1174-4

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:30:24 2020 No.12119388 >>12119369 they have them but they will tell you after 1 hour of selling you fried air that there could be 25-50 possible reactions that would perfectly explain the phosphine presence. They're making a spectacle there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:31:23 2020 No.12119390 Third possibility is that we infected the clouds ourselves in the 70s with the landers. Especially the soviet are in question here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:31:47 2020 No.12119395 >>12119364 t. William

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:31:56 2020 No.12119396

>>12119370
No, I'm not American; but it seems you are. I know 'reading is for faggots' but actually read the paper. They specifically have ruled out natural chemical reactions because the concentration is too high.

>>12119388
Except the paper has already covered possible natural reactions and has been discarded. Again, the original interview specifically covers this and, once again, they specifically ask for the scientific community to PROVE that the numbers can be produced abiotically.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:32:03 2020 No.12119397 >>12119327 >our knowledge about Venus’ composition and atmosphere is severely flawed This is the correct answer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:32:49 2020 No.12119400 File: 1.05 MB, 2048x1404, gondolier-venice-unesco-world-heritage-site-veneto-italy-europe-picture-id678388421[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119313 >The first image of a native Venetian They're more like pic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:33:04 2020 No.12119401 >>12119384 >They ruled those out no they didn't

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:33:39 2020 No.12119402 >>12119401 They wouldn't be having this conference if they didn't think it was life

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:34:00 2020 No.12119404 Could it be a process that we do not yet understand on a foreign planet? No. It must be ayy lmao’s living in the clouds

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:34:06 2020 No.12119407 Venus is rightful British clay gtfo microbes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYgJZ79FmBo

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:34:07 2020 No.12119406 >>12119401 Did you read the paper?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:34:25 2020 No.12119408 >>12119363 >is still considered a biosignature yes, because we are at 298 kelvin and not 600 like on Venus

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:34:51 2020 No.12119410

>>12119363
Venus has a completely different and volatile atmospheric composition and other planets like the gas giants have organic "possibly biological" compounds like methane which you could stupidly argue that it means Jupiter is full of farting cows.
It's an interesting discovery but it doesn't automatically mean anything directly, it just means that the atmosphere is different and phosphine is created at a different rate on Venus than on Earth through a yet unknown process and since Venus is so volatile and active it can easily mean some inorganic geological process for example.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:34:52 2020 No.12119411

Why the hell are you spergs feel like you're owed ayylmaos or speculation about contamination by soviet landers? It's the results from telescope observations. It is justified hype in the astronomy field that they detected phosphine. Just because some smoothbrains got overhyped shouldn't detract from their works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:35:03 2020 No.12119413 >>12119402 they need more funding

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:35:26 2020 No.12119414 >>12119100 I mean you could conceivably last an hour or so paddling water in the middle of the Pacific while you'll probably die near instantly on the surface of Venus

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:36:05 2020 No.12119418 >>12119404 i think the point is it's more likely to be fucking ayys than a different process

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:36:43 2020 No.12119421 >>12119407 ayy ayy you you

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:37:01 2020 No.12119424 >>12119404 How many times do we have to tell you retards they've ruled everything out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:37:15 2020 No.12119427 >>12119366 imagine being the first man to go there and jizz in it first daddy of venus

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:37:16 2020 No.12119428 >22 ppb >44mg on the whole planet stopped watching, this is clickbait and not really science.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:38:03 2020 No.12119430 >>12119428 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPEhQugz-Ew

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:38:25 2020 No.12119431

>>12119406
yes they're just saying that they saw phosphine with the IR spectra, but they tested no reaction in the lab at venusian conditions. Plus they say explicitely:

"no kinetic data for the phosphorus species were known, homologous nitrogen species reaction kinetics were used instead, validated by comparing reactions of analogous nitrogen and phosphorus species."
So they basically claimed falsely that "since it doesn't happen with nitrogen it must not happen with phosphorus too".
I agree it's in the same group on the periodic table but they have no other proof.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:38:27 2020 No.12119432 question if there actually is life, does it mean: a. life is common in our solar system due to some common cause b. life is common in all/many solar systems

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:38:27 2020 No.12119433

>>12119414
So you are saying you'd be a bit less dead, or what? I KILL YOU RIGHT NOW! and I'LL KILL YOU IN AN HOUR! leaves you dead either way. Whether it is better to die in a flash of heat and pressure, very fast, or slowly drown while watching the sharks circle is an aesthetic preference, but either way you're just as dead.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:38:39 2020 No.12119435

>Even if confirmed, we emphasize that the detection of phosphine is not robust evidence for life,
only for anomalous and unexplained chemistry. There are substantial conceptual problems for
the idea of life in Venus’ clouds – the environment is extremely dehydrating as well as hyperacidic. However, we have ruled out many chemical routes to phosphine, with the most-likely ones falling short by 4-8 orders of magnitude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:40:25 2020 No.12119443 >>12119406 >>12119431 PLUS they also did a bunch of models with oxygen fugacity etc. that don't mean anything from the kinetic point of view of phosphorus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:40:35 2020 No.12119444 >>12119432 It would shake up what we think of life-bearing worlds and could mean that life is more common than we thought it could be.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:40:41 2020 No.12119446

>>12119424
No they didn't, are you even watching the press conference?
They gave several plausible inorganic processes but they are arguing it wouldn't produce enough phosphine which is an idiotic statement since they also say in the same conference that they don't know enough about Venus's inorganic processes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:41:20 2020 No.12119449 >another planet has a weird chemical effect yep it's aliens for sure

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:41:32 2020 No.12119450 >>12119432 Earth probably seeded Venus or vice versa.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:41:43 2020 No.12119451 >>12119446 Why don't you message them so you can join the team mate, show them how it's done.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:42:12 2020 No.12119456

>HUR DUR IT'S SOMETHING ELSE
I quote the (now purged) original interview
>It’s very hard to prove a negative. Now, astronomers will think of all the ways to justify phosphine without life, and I welcome that. Please do, because we are at the end of our possibilities to show abiotic processes that can make phosphine.

NO SCIENTIST WILL EVER SAY THEY HAVE 100% FOUND LIFE ON VENUS BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE A RETRACTION IF IT WASN'T TRUE. THEY WILL NOT SAY 'WE HAVE FOUND LIFE' THEY ARE SAYING WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND WHICH POINTS TOWARDS THERE BEING LIFE BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVES HAVE BEEN DISCARDED BY THE SCIENTISTS INVOLVED AND THEY HAVE ASKED OTHER PEOPLE TO PROVE THE CONCENTRATION CAN BE FORMED WITHOUT MICROBIAL LIFE.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:42:38 2020 No.12119457 >>12119450 I like this hypothesis. Imagine if 3 billions years ago the first bacteria came from Venus? There should be still a trace in their DNA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:43:16 2020 No.12119460 100 page paper incoming that discusses all abiotical origin possibilities, this Sara Seager woman just said so.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:43:31 2020 No.12119461

>They caution that natural processes couldn't be ruled out due to the lack of information about the prevalence of phosphorus on Venus.
https://news.sky.com/story/signs-of-alien-life-detected-on-venus-12071625
so the most likely explanation is that phosphorus is just more common than we realised, not that there is life. move along nothing to see here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:44:26 2020 No.12119462 >>12119457 either one might have been seeded by an asteroid as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:44:35 2020 No.12119465 >>12119461 nooooooo you can't just use ockham's razor noooooooooooo

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:44:39 2020 No.12119466 >>12119457 What if more came, would they start to develop and compete with the local life? Are the conditions just too different?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:44:47 2020 No.12119467 >>12119456 I miss when scientists had real faith in their findings. Science died when the prodigy was replaced by teams of subpar, common people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:45:06 2020 No.12119468 >>12119451 What are you talking about retard? I'm repeating what they are directly saying while you are stupidly talking about "only life could produce it" which directly contradicts what they themselves are saying, stop being a fucking idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:46:12 2020 No.12119470 >>12119450 >Earth seeded Venus But they're both girls!

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:46:16 2020 No.12119471

>>12119359
skeptism is good but you are overly skeptical.

They have literaly just stated they are to publish a 100 page paper going through how ever many reactions and their deductions for why these wouldnt produce the amount we see.

It's a biotic process or our undestanding of chemistry on venus is entirely wrong. Both are cool discoveries but one is earthshattering.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:46:17 2020 No.12119472

>>12119460
well we will see how many reaction they tested in lab at 100 bar of pressure in a reactor not made of steel to allow the presence of gaseous sulfuric acid plus SO3.
My guess is 0 and they did a bunch of theoretical models that don't mean absolutely anything.
But let's keep the hope high maybe they've actually done some experimental science to prove their silly ayy lmao hypothesis.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:46:54 2020 No.12119474

>>12119446
How hard is it to understand the logic behind this statement? Based on our current knowledge there is no abiotic process which could give the amount of phosphine they found. In other words: the chemistry on earth doesn't give an answer for what they found on Venus. But they are not ruling the abiotic hypothesis out, because there could be an abiotic process on Venus, which produces the observed amount of this substance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:47:42 2020 No.12119476 is this the armchair scientist general?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:47:47 2020 No.12119478 >similar bacteria on earth? >ecoli ITS SPACE AIDS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:47:52 2020 No.12119479 >>12119220 So it was just re-announcing phosphine? Disappointed but not surprised. What did surprise me was that the weasel word count, while high, would not have necessarily been lethal if used as a drinking game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:47:52 2020 No.12119480 >>12119465 >ockham Occam, American. >>12119461 Scientists never ever make hardline comments any more. See >>12119456. The paper published already has discussed all abiotic possibilities. That's it. End of. Nothing more to do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:48:47 2020 No.12119484 >>12119476 Yes, that's 99.9% of /sci/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:49:19 2020 No.12119485 >>12119479 The actual announcement is the paper exploring the possibilities, OP's link was some gay twitterbait while the actual conference is >>12119263

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:50:03 2020 No.12119487 >>12119480 it's ockham retard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ockham,_Surrey

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:50:09 2020 No.12119488

>>12119467
I agree, this is the midwit issue as discussed by Edward Dutton. Absolute normalfags heading science departments and trying to say that fugacity models are useful to disprove a chemical pathway and try to understand reaction kinetics on another planet. Incredible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:51:08 2020 No.12119491 >>12119487 Funny meme, but it's Occam's Razor, not Ockham. They're not even pronounced the same.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:51:10 2020 No.12119492 This is nothingburger (like usual), especially comparing to the methane lakes on Titan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:51:47 2020 No.12119494 >>12119479 >re-announcing phosphine? you know? it's good for business doing it once every few years every time common people forget it. It makes good headlines.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:51:49 2020 No.12119495 >>12119487 Both seem to be in use. William of Ockham (/ˈɒkəm/; also Occam, from Latin: Gulielmus Occamus)

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:51:52 2020 No.12119496

>>12119446
They were very conservative with their claims. They acknowledge they can't have possibly ruled out all of the possibilities due to the unknown unknowns. But based on everything they do know now, they seem to have ruled things out.

They make it very clear it could still be abiotic. They just have used up all the cards in the deck they know about.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:52:25 2020 No.12119498

>>12119226
"Phosphine" takes an "i" in the last syllable. "Phosphene" is something else -- the flashes of colored "light" you think you see when you close your eyelids and push on your eye-ball. An even more sure sign of life, I'd think, but difficult to detect through a telescope unless the astronomer falls asleep leaning on his eye-piece.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:52:27 2020 No.12119499 File: 11 KB, 236x177, 12324545657656.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I wanted cute xeno wayyyyfus >I got stinky poopoo gas instead GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:52:28 2020 No.12119500

>>12119467
All low hanging fruit is gone, you could "easily" prove planets doing weird spins in the sky means that Earth orbits around the Sun but nowadays you have to go for very vague stuff that can only be truly proven by jumps in technology and knowledge that don't happen very often.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:52:41 2020 No.12119502 Why so many schizos in this thread?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:52:50 2020 No.12119503 >>12119480 >The paper published already has discussed all abiotic possibilities. *inhales hahahahahahahahahaahahahaha

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:53:26 2020 No.12119505 >>12119467 >>12119488 Let me guess, you're not scientists?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:53:51 2020 No.12119507

>>12119492
Except phosphine's natural reactions cannot account for this level. If it is natural, we have to rip up what we know about Venus and start again. Regardless, we learn something new.

>>12119479
No, they're announcing it was in concentrations that could not be accounted for by natural chemical reactions. This leaves microbial life or a completely new understanding of Venus. The link in OP is clickbait. The Royal Astrological Society is doing a talk on it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:54:21 2020 No.12119510 >>12119278 Can toy walk us through some of the other ways phosphine is produced, including artificially. I am particularly looking for things like "really hot, high pressure, acids reacting with stuff..." You know -- Venus shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:54:28 2020 No.12119512 >>12119499 I wanna sniff their phosphine braps

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:54:54 2020 No.12119516

>>12119503
>It’s very hard to prove a negative. Now, astronomers will think of all the ways to justify phosphine without life, and I welcome that. Please do, because we are at the end of our possibilities to show abiotic processes that can make phosphine.
Literally from the scientist leading the research. Read the paper or shut the fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:55:07 2020 No.12119519 >>12119471 This. I don't understand why /sci/ is so aggressive about this news. Time will tell who was right. The amount of aggressive incel-scientist-wannabe on this forum is terrifying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:55:36 2020 No.12119521 >>12119303 >there may be life on another planet There MAY be magic fairy-rhinoceros hybrids prancing around in the kitchen, that's pretty exciting!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:55:38 2020 No.12119522 >>12119512 I will send you to Titan and then light the fuse Enjoy

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:56:36 2020 No.12119523

>>12119507
>cannot account
You do not know enough about Venus to state that.

>we have to rip up what we know about Venus
We do not know enough about Venus's phosphine production to even have to rip any established facts about it that would rule out inorganic processes, you are falsely trying to argue the complete opposite of what actually is happening, we need more information, not jump in conclusions.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:56:39 2020 No.12119524

>>12119510
They have already discussed this. Again, the CONCENTRATION LEVEL of the phosphine gas CANNOT BE EXPLAINED BY KNOWN SCIENCE USING NATURAL CHEMICAL REACTIONS. So either Venus is completely different to what we thought, it has a new element on it or there is microbial life there. The alternative is a alien lab producing it artificially which is dumb.

“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:57:36 2020 No.12119526 >>12119521 Do you have any evidence to support that?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:58:01 2020 No.12119527

>>12119519
we're just laughing at all the so yboys who wanted to virtue signal about MUH LIFE IN SPACE I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE when its clear its a clever trick to generate publicity and grants. This is clearly an abiotic process with a clickbait theme tacked onto it for publicity

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:58:15 2020 No.12119528 >>12119524 the final possibility is that our telescopes and software are flawed

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:58:20 2020 No.12119529 >>12119524 What makes you think an unknown biological process is more likely than an unknown abiological process? You are overhyping yourself like idiots always do with these biological compounds findings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:58:27 2020 No.12119531 >>12119519 It's because the lead scientist is a woman. If it were a white man, there wouldn't be that many spergs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:58:44 2020 No.12119532 >>12119507 >concentrations that could not be accounted for by natural chemical reactions. on Earth at 298 kelvin. they know nothing about Venus but they made a claim that will be on all newspapers tomorrow. "Is there life on Venus?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:58:59 2020 No.12119533 File: 41 KB, 624x652, 1586399678490.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] GIVE ME A GODDAMN ALIEN CUNNY ALREADY

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:59:29 2020 No.12119534 The weak part of all of this Is that sugar based life produces phosphene, but seems unlikely that a different kind of life able to resist the super acid conditions of Venus would produce the same chemical waste.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:59:31 2020 No.12119535 >>12119528 Yes, but you may be underestimating the quality of those instruments.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:59:35 2020 No.12119536 >>12119524 >>12119528 >>12119529 None of you know and should shut your fucking mouths until more data is in or I'm going to fuck you in the ass.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:59:43 2020 No.12119538

>>12119327
>File
Third possibility seems to be that astronomers need to have a conversation with chemists.

They even list other natural sources of phosphine in their presentation, but "because reasons" that count account for it. I noticed they also very carefully left the door open for "oh wait, we found something else we didn't know about before that looks like phosphine from here."

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 11:59:49 2020 No.12119539 >>12119533 kys space-pedo

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:00:03 2020 No.12119540 Love how ""Jane"" is taking all the credit when the bulk of the hard work (going through all chemical pathways) was done by williams

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:00:26 2020 No.12119541 >>12119533 Just one? How about 4?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:00:33 2020 No.12119542 File: 13 KB, 657x527, R14kkDj[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119531

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:00:33 2020 No.12119543 >>12119533 Not even a space girl would want you. You're forever alone in the universe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:00:48 2020 No.12119544 >>12119339 Or, to be fair, an already known process that astronomers don't know about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:00:59 2020 No.12119545 >>12119540 Bains?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:01:08 2020 No.12119546 File: 50 KB, 895x599, I fucking love science.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119527 this just look at that comment section on YT hilarious.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:01:11 2020 No.12119547

>>12119523
Nowhere have I stated that we know everything nor have I stated I am an expert on Venus. What I have stated, based on the experts opinion and paper, that the levels of phosphine gas detected on Venus cannot be explained by KNOWN science. That's it. That's all there is to it. The only way it CAN be explained is there is microbial life producing it. End of. Now, if you know more about Venus and chemistry and so on than the experts, you're free to challenge them and provide evidence. They have welcomed this. They have stated, several times, that this is not concentre proof of alien life. They have stated, several times, that they are open to the possibility of there being a natural chemical reaction producing this. They have stated, several times, that the only KNOWN way the concentration could get that high is either artificially producing phosphine gas in a lab OR via microbial life.
>we need more information
The information cannot be gathered due to funding. This is, as I have said in the thread already, a likely attempt to get more funding to find out more about Venus. Regardless; there is something new and unknown happening on the planet and that requires work.

As it stands, the only known way the phosphine gas can be produced at that level, worked out by chemists and loads of other very smart people, is microbial life. End of. No more discussion. If you have evidence to prove it is a natural chemical reaction, feel free to challenge them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:01:49 2020 No.12119548 >>12119541 7 vaganías Maybe more

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:02:36 2020 No.12119551

>>12119536
Yes, that's my point. We do not know enough about Venus and this phosphine which is why it's completely idiotic to say "only life" could be producing it. It's a very low concentration by the way which makes it very unlikely that it's reproductive life that thrives in the atmosphere of Venus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:02:38 2020 No.12119552 >>12119529 this, finally someone who actually uses his brain

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:02:52 2020 No.12119553 >>12119531 I don't get it. If they looked at her CV/published work, she's clearly very productive/intelligent, not diversity eye-candy at all.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:03:56 2020 No.12119558
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>retards in this thread are ignore the fact that this concentration of phosphine was found in one of the most potentially habitable areas on Venus
Lol. If this was a natural chemical reaction due to the surface of Venus, it would be found all over the planet, not in one of the very small places with potential habitable life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:04:09 2020 No.12119559 What are you morons all whining about? The announcement was leaked in advance; we all already knew exactly what it was going to be. How could this be a disappointment?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:04:21 2020 No.12119561 >>12119536 thank you anon God I hate these "I fucking love science" cucks

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:05:01 2020 No.12119562

>>12119345
We've sent probes to Venus. RAS brushed aside contamination, apparently on the grounds that "even if is little phosphine on probeski, is not enough for the contaminating of atmospherski." But there is another contmaination probem -- probes might carry microbes, and seed Venus clouds with Earth "critters," to use the technical term. That could produce all the phosphine you want.

I don't think it happened, but it is another possibility.

I suspect it's being naturally formed at the surface. Venus is almost designed to produce weird molecules.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:05:24 2020 No.12119565 >>12119505 let me guess, you have a degree in social sciences?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:05:26 2020 No.12119567

>>12119547
>the levels of phosphine gas detected on Venus cannot be explained by KNOWN science
>The only way it CAN be explained is there is microbial life producing it
You just contradicted yourself, I don't have a plausible theory because there are too many unknowns to even make good theories about it, much less an idiotic statement like "only life could produce it" which by the way requires far more evidence and solid theories than some abiological process since it's far more unlikely consider what we do know about life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:05:38 2020 No.12119568 >>12119561 Good for you

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:06:14 2020 No.12119571

>>12119551
>It's a very low concentration by the way which makes it very unlikely that it's reproductive life that thrives in the atmosphere of Venus.
Dude, you do realise that on Earth the level of phosphine gas in the atmosphere is measured in the parts per TRILLION, right? On Venus it was per billion. This means, despite all the life on Earth, that Venus is producing more.

Finally, they haven't said 'only life' they have said 'the only way KNOWN TO SCIENCE BASED ON THE INFO WE HAVE ABOUT VENUS is life'. They have welcomed people challenging it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:06:36 2020 No.12119572

>Still, John Carpenter, an ALMA observatory scientist, is skeptical that the phosphine observations themselves are real. The signal is faint, and the team needed to perform an extensive amount of processing to pull it from the data returned by the telescopes. That processing, he says, may have returned an artificial signal at the same frequency as phosphine. He also notes that the standard for remote molecular identification involves detecting multiple fingerprints for the same molecule, which show up at different frequencies on the electromagnetic spectrum. That’s something that the team has not yet done with phosphine.

>“They took the right steps to verify the signal, but I’m still not convinced that this is real,” Carpenter says. “If it’s real, it’s a very cool result, but it needs follow-up to make it really convincing.”

>Sousa-Silva agrees that the team needs to confirm the phosphine detection by finding additional fingerprints at other wavelengths. She and her colleagues had planned such observations using the Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy, a plane-mounted telescope, and with NASA’s Infrared Telescope Facility in Hawaii. But COVID-19 got in the way, and the team’s attempts have been put on hold.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:06:52 2020 No.12119574 >>12119567 >what we do know about life. On earth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:07:08 2020 No.12119576 >>12119349 >1. There is human colony on there with a lab producing the gas Moon nazis - Venus soviets

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:07:32 2020 No.12119577 >>12119567 >the only known way the phosphine gas can be produced at that level, worked out by chemists and loads of other very smart people, is microbial life >known He is factually correct, learn to read.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:07:45 2020 No.12119578

>>12119567
I didn't contradict anything. We know stuff. Based on what we know, the only way it can get to this level is life. Alternatively, the hypothesises we can think is that there is [insert unknown element or unknown chemical reaction with no proof, evidence or even theoretical ground work on] is producing it. The only KNOWN backed up by evidence and science is life. Why are you fucks unable to grasp this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:09:17 2020 No.12119582 File: 189 KB, 1462x1462, 1531056436067.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The phospine reading is from Earth's atmosphere, it is almost 100% match. The astronomers probably fucked up the detection but didn't realize it yet

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:10:09 2020 No.12119587

>>12119571
This is why people need to stop arguing about it and start focusing on how we can prove or disprove it and how long it'll take to do so.

>>12119572
I was worried about something like this. That would be unfortunate if not only is it not life, it's not even phosphine and the whole thing's just confirmation bias and flawed analysis. I wish they would've waited longer before announcing this, because if the next announcement is "lol sorry it's not actually phosphine", it's going to be pretty embarrassing for them. If it is actually phosphine then even if it isn't life, it's still a super interesting finding, and if it is life then they'll go down in history for the next thousands of years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:10:20 2020 No.12119588 >>12119572 >coronavirus >lmao no telescope for you Not like the things can't be remotely operated

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:10:22 2020 No.12119589

>>12119349
>That's the only two known to science ways it can be produced

" In the case of the gas giants, phosphine is a natural consequence of equilibrium chemistry with high H2 gas ratios relative to P, under relatively high pressure"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6581198/

Phosphine is manufactured by the hydrolysis of metal
phosphides, by the electrolysis of phosphorus in the presence of
hydrogen, and by a phosphorus-steam reaction. It is produced
incidentally by the hydrolysis of impurities in calcium carbide
(in the production of ethyne (acetylene)), in ferrosilicon and
spheroidal graphite iron, and in various metallurgical
operations. Metal phosphides can be prepared by the reduction

http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc73.htm

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:10:37 2020 No.12119590 >>12119582 The rest of the reading doesn't look like it's from earth.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:10:45 2020 No.12119591

>>12119578
>We know stuff
You just posted we don't know enough to explain the phosphine to say what it is and then you're saying that only life could be producing it, unknown life that does not produce any other known compounds and signs we can look for, these are lots of overly excited assumptions with no proof.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:11:18 2020 No.12119593 File: 374 KB, 1594x456, brainlet pathway.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] they can't even write the radical notation properly and didn't take into account the 99% of real chemistry like charged radicals, acid/base or plasma effects. lmao.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:11:36 2020 No.12119594 >>12119589 That poster is retarded for sure but we don't know whether or not they've ruled such a thing out yet. One would assume they have, since they said they exhausted every known cause and that paper's from 2018.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:11:47 2020 No.12119595 File: 67 KB, 1280x720, nothingburger.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119362 /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:11:54 2020 No.12119597 >>12119582 Oh god please no.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:12:04 2020 No.12119599 >>12119589 >gas giants >Venus Read your own sources.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:12:29 2020 No.12119600 >>12119582 >The phospine reading is from Earth's atmosphere Imagine if it was actually true. Lmao. It could be.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:12:39 2020 No.12119602

>>12119593
I don't know anything about chemistry but is this kind of diagram actually easy to understand once you learn enough? Is it like programming where I have no problem understanding most programs anymore, or is that kind of shit hard to understand even for a PhD

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:12:59 2020 No.12119604 >>12119589 Based on what we know, this can only mean Venus AND all gas giants have life, amazing findings, folks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:13:20 2020 No.12119607 >>12119364 >the chemicals and environment to make phosphine gas isn't present on Venus. Can you explain which chemicals and environmental parameters which are required to create phosphine are missing on Venus?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:13:48 2020 No.12119609 >a team of world class scientists including those from MIT are completely incompetent compared /sci/ posters

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:13:51 2020 No.12119610 >>12119593 >plasma effects They discussed lightning, no?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:13:55 2020 No.12119611

>>12119582
No it isn't. Look at all of it.

>>12119587
Exactly. Why people think this is CONFIRMATION I do not know. It is literally
>We have found something and the only known explanation is life. We need more work on this and we welcome people challenging it. Thank you.
Yet if they had kept quiet and not reported this... then people would be mad such important stuff is kept from us. It's retards getting hyped up instead of reading the work and going
>Hey, that's neat, I can't wait for the follow up!
This is the same shit that happened with the EM Drive. Some autistic Bong makes one in his shed and USA, China and a load of other nations try to see if it works and it does and they can't explain it. We then get articles going
>WE CAN GO TO MARS IN 50 DAYS WITH THIS LOL
When all they said was
>We have tested it and it works, but this might be a mistake, equipment malfunction or so on, it's promising but we can't really explain why it's getting results

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:14:12 2020 No.12119612 >>12119604 They explained already the gas giants thing, faggot

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:14:15 2020 No.12119614

from the paper for the retards thinking they didn't test the chemical possibilities:
"We find that PH3 formation is not favoured
even considering ~75 relevant reactions under thousands of conditions encompassing any likely atmosphere, surface or subsurface
properties (temperatures of 270–1,500K, atmospheric and subsurface pressures of 0.25–10,000bar, wide range of concentrations of reactants)."

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:15:05 2020 No.12119618 >>12119610 no "Volcanic, lightning and meteoritic delivery were calculated based on parallels with terrestrial rates of events within Venusian atmosphere" so it's all bullshit, no proof at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:15:11 2020 No.12119620 >>12119594 >poster is retarded No he isn't. Stop samefagging you retard. >>12119589 Venus isn't a gas giant. They have covered this in their paper as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:15:14 2020 No.12119621 >>12119607 I believe that was part of their research.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:15:27 2020 No.12119622 jesus christ are there really that many women in science? depressing

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:15:57 2020 No.12119623

>>12119386
Yep, they were able to rule those other explanations out, that's why they so confidently claimed to have found life... oh, wait, they didn't make that claim did they? They sort of specifically said they had not made that discovery, didn't they? Must still have some process to rule out, I guess...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:16:07 2020 No.12119626 >>12119602 it just needs some practice but after that it becomes pretty easy ;)

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:16:20 2020 No.12119628

>>12119432
If life is found in our solar system outside of earth It is most likely to be of common origin. I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually end up finding some kid of microbiomes on many bodies in the solar system that all share the same origins, likely interplanetary asteroid bombardment spreading organic material all over the place.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:16:39 2020 No.12119631

>>12119594
>That poster is retarded for sure
No I am not. The paper has covered abiotically reasons for the production of phosphine. They have been discarded. They have called on the scientific community to challenge it.

>>12119589
No, only TWO WAYS ON VENUS. Venus isn't a gas giant you fucking retard, read your source before you copy and paste shit you don't know anything about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:16:59 2020 No.12119634 >>12119402 So your position is that all press conferences contain nothing but True Big News, because otherwise they would not hold a press conference?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:17:07 2020 No.12119635 >team of world class scientists and two isolated readings LMAO I BET THEY ACCIDENTALLY MEASURED EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE XD

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:17:43 2020 No.12119639 >>12119622 t. 5'7 manlet with no gf

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:17:46 2020 No.12119640

>>12119609
The team was pretty conservative about it and hammered in the fact that it doesn't mean life is the only possible hypothesis but rather than we don't know enough about Venus to make a solid non-life hypothesis, it's just some overhyped idiots in this thread who read some popsci headline and don't understand the difference between incomplete deductions and observations.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:17:51 2020 No.12119641

>>12119587
>This is why people need to stop arguing about it and start focusing on how we can prove or disprove it and how long it'll take to do so.
>This is why people need to stop arguing about it

Fuck no. Arguing and/or shitposting is way more fun and entertaining. There's your Great Filter.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:18:14 2020 No.12119644

>>12119618

If that experiment produces results that are orders of magnitude away from the hypothesis I would be incline to say the the conclusion in accurate,

Yes, it's not a rigorous measurement, but the method of approximation makes sense if they varied the parameters enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:18:30 2020 No.12119646 >tfw we are are the alien invaders flocking to Venus soon no face

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:18:52 2020 No.12119648 >>12119641 Cunt

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:19:07 2020 No.12119649 >>12119635 in a woman led team this wouldnt even be surprising

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:19:24 2020 No.12119651 >>12119640 >The team was pretty conservative about it I don't think you understand the way academia communicates.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:19:25 2020 No.12119652 >>12119639 im not short, i just hate dyke faced horses taking over science. that shit is the property of WHITE MALES

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:19:44 2020 No.12119654

>>12119607
That was the whole point of this research. We know about phosphine on Venus for a few years (or 2019, I forget). This research was to check if this could be being produced naturally by chemical reactions on Venus. They say no, not in the concentration that is recorded. Furthermore, the location of concentration is in one of the very few potentially habitable areas of Venus. This is why they are surprised. Again, they are not saying it is life, they are saying based on the knowledge known to science the only option IS life. This does not mean it is life. It just means that based on what we know about Venus and how phosphine is produced; it is life. It likely isn't, but if it isn't, Venus is incredibly different to what we thought.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:20:38 2020 No.12119657

>>12119635
I wouldn't put flawed readings past anyone but even when taken the readings and the paper at face value it absolutely does not mean anything other than that an unknown process is generating phosphine, there's zero evidence of life that could be producing it which makes it a pretty out-there theory.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:20:53 2020 No.12119659

>>12119623
I never said they had found life or admitted life. I said they had discussed all possible alternatives based on their understanding of science AND Venus. This means the only option that THEY know is fucking life. Doesn't mean it is and, once again, they have CHALLENGED people to prove it is abiotic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:21:06 2020 No.12119662 >>12119576 I see, all those countless missions by USSR were simply resupply missions

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:21:53 2020 No.12119665 >>12119635 >two isolated readings plus their excel files are really shitty I would be ashamed of posting them

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:21:56 2020 No.12119667
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>>12119410
Someday, when we get our first images from deep within the Jovian atmosphere, and it is full
of farting cows whirling around in the winds... then, on that day, you will apologize.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:22:06 2020 No.12119668 File: 44 KB, 480x494, fast heresy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >aliens

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:22:30 2020 No.12119670 >>12119652 t. incel that thinks he deserves things without doing the work

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:22:48 2020 No.12119673 >>12119662 No doubt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:22:59 2020 No.12119675 >>12119418 Basing that liklihood on.... what? >>12119424 If they had ruled evrything out, they'd

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:24:09 2020 No.12119682 So how long until we learn more? Hell the JW telescope has taken what, something like 15 years? Are we not gonna have a probe available for decades?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:24:26 2020 No.12119683 >>12119670 t. naive wageslave who thinks the world runs on meritocracy. your father didnt set up a dynasty and strong arm your way into a cushy career in an elite field, sad...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:26:30 2020 No.12119688 >>12119683 >thinks the world runs on meritocracy. For those that have true talent, yes. Not losers living off their parents.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:27:44 2020 No.12119693 >>12119688 >true talent delusional

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:27:52 2020 No.12119695

>>12119657
>other than that an unknown process is generating phosphine, there's zero evidence of life that could be producing it which makes it a pretty out-there theory.
Life Is a known process and a good explanation. Better at this moment than muh super weird chemistry if they cant tell how.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:28:18 2020 No.12119696

>>12119659
There are dozens and dozens of known phosphine-producing inorganic processes.
Burden of proof is on both of these statements equally and we don't have enough knowledge about Venus to argue that either of these options is the only possible one.
It's pointless to argue what is "more likely" but what do you think is more likely, yet another unknown phosphine-producing inorganic process or somehow some kind of life that does not produce any other known kind of compound or sign?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:29:21 2020 No.12119702 >>12119695 Life that only produces phosphine and not other far more obvious signs we know about is not a good explanation and not a known process.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:29:50 2020 No.12119703

>>12119675
Dude they have ruled out everything KNOWN TO SCIENCE that can produce it abiotically. Why do you keep ignoring this? They don't say it is life, they just say the only explanation without more research and information about Venus is life. It likely is a naturally chemical reaction but based on the info ABOUT Venus it is most likely to be life. So the next step is to gather more info on Venus, retake readings and searching for possibilites that can explain the concentration based on our current understanding and finally make hypothesises on how Venus could be producing it abiotically (aka 'there is more of X chemical than we thought so that's what is doing it).

I am baffled at how dumb you people are.

As the saying goes, the board topic is always the worst place to actually discuss board related topics. /v/ is shit for video games, /a/ is shit for anime, /biz/ is shit for business and /tg/ is shit for board games. This thread is proof that /sci/ is shit for science. Not that we needed proof.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:32:41 2020 No.12119710

>>12119696
Okay, why are you repeating shit now? Again, this is the final time, the paper discusses the known phosphine producing inorganic processes (abiotic, google that word, I use it specifically) and they would not produce the concentration that was discovered. Next, based on the information we know about Venus; Venus does not have the required makeup BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW to produce phosphine in such concentrations abiotically. The only thing we know, in science, that could produce the concentration is microbial life. That's it. They didn't say it is life - they just said the only KNOWN explanation based on the information they have is life. It's now about doing more research and double checking and new tests and discussing all the abiotic possibilities with other experts who may or may have a different view. That's it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:35:29 2020 No.12119718

>>12119703
What we actually know about life is that it takes over an entire planet, reproduces in extremely hostile environments and drastically changes a planet's atmospheric composition which are very obvious signs.
Unusual amounts of phosphine that can't be explained even by earthly life and no other signs of earthly life means that it's extremely unlikely to be earth-like life and a very weak connection, it's actually more plausible that it's a hidden alien factory releasing phosphine and nothing else if you want to follow this logic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:38:35 2020 No.12119736 >>12119718 Right, but this is Venus... not Earth. I'm not sure why that has come up. Nobody has said it is life. Only that the known explanation without further research is life.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:42:27 2020 No.12119746

>>12119710
Based on what we know, life on earth produces extremely low amounts of phosphine (parts per trillion) while Venus has 20ppb which makes it impossible that it's a known biological process, it's orders of magnitude more phosphine with no other known signs of life, Jupiter for example has phosphine in 10-100ppb concentrations and we have good abiological theories for that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:44:53 2020 No.12119754 >>12119527 But... What if you're wrong? Finding life on another planet would be cool, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:45:15 2020 No.12119756 Now that the hypefags are gone to their entertainment threads, what are some actually good theories?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:48:06 2020 No.12119769 File: 659 B, 210x43, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119736 >Nobody has said it is life

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:49:16 2020 No.12119771 >>12118820 >phosphine only observed to be produced by orgasms >biogenesis never observed to happen >biogenesis must be the cause of the phosphine, not some other unknown phenomena Based “scientists”

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:50:22 2020 No.12119775 >>12119756 Theories...? There are non, you dumb faggot. There will be a theory when we confirm some hypothesis that will allow us to infer other things related with this matter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:52:45 2020 No.12119783 >>12119771 >orgasms All gas giants have phosphine in concentrations 1000x higher than on earth by the way and it's produced by known steam reactions which makes this hype even stupider >>12119589

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:54:22 2020 No.12119788 >>12119783 Read the fucking paper, idiot.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:57:16 2020 No.12119796

>>12119788
Which one? Neither the gas giant and Venus papers have plausible biological hypotheses, you can rule out the life on Venus hypothesis simply by the fact that it doesn't follow anything we know about life, it relies on too many wild assumptions.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 12:59:01 2020 No.12119801

>>12119783
>We find that PH3 formation is not favoured even considering ~75 relevant reactions under thousands of conditions encompassing any likely atmosphere, surface or subsurface properties (temperatures of 270–1,500 K, atmospheric and subsurface pressures of 0.25–10,000 bar, wide range of concentrations of reactants). The free energy of reactions falls short by anywhere from 10 to 400 kJ mol−1 (see ‘Potential pathways to PH3 production’ in Methods, Supplementary Information and Extended Data Fig. 7). In particular, we quantitatively rule out the hydrolysis of geological or meteoritic phosphide as the source of Venusian PH3. We also rule out the formation of phosphorous acid (H3PO3). While phosphorous acid can disproportionate to PH3 on heating, its formation under Venus temperatures and pressures would require quite unrealistic conditions, such as an atmosphere composed almost entirely of hydrogen (for details, see Supplementary Information).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:01:20 2020 No.12119806 >>12119801 >implying I'm reading that fuck off liberal

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:03:25 2020 No.12119814 >>12119702 What other known obvious signs

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:03:43 2020 No.12119817

>>12119801
I didn't argue that it's produced by the same process as on Jupiter by the way, I'm pointing out how phosphine is known to be produced in relatively high concentrations in the same order of magnitude as in Venus through abiological means and both are orders of magnitude higher than what is produced on Earth which makes it a reaaaaaaally bad hypothesis far more unlikely than the literal dozens of processes we know about, it's purely wishful thinking and fundingbait.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:04:12 2020 No.12119822 >>12119532 >They no nothing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:05:02 2020 No.12119826 >>12119806 Fuck you, then, you cum gargling shitposter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:06:31 2020 No.12119831 File: 54 KB, 600x441, venussurface.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If it is bacteria, how likely is it that they hitched a ride on Venera?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:07:17 2020 No.12119835

>>12119801
Couldn't H3PO3 form in the upper atmosphere where the temperature and pressure are more or less Earth-like and then rain out down into hotter layer where it is unfavorable to form spontaneously by itself?
I suppose the transport would be problematic.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:12:24 2020 No.12119845

>>12119814
Oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, none of these are concrete proof by themselves but certainly far better signs than trace amounts of phosphine, life on Earth has been quite obvious for over 4 billion years for aliens with good enough telescopes if they knew what to look for and none of the known planets in our solar system are even remotely similar.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:18:44 2020 No.12119866 >>12119197 the proposed VERITAS mission with a launch date in 2026 could confirm the presence of phosphine or confirm/constrain geological processes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:19:37 2020 No.12119872 >>12119866 >proposed >launch date in 2026 see you in 2050

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:24:16 2020 No.12119889 >>12119817 They said in the paper that there is no process that they know of that could generate the high concentration of phosphine given the conditions on Venus.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:29:40 2020 No.12119904

im not a chem fag but i find it bizarre how you can claim a certain gas molecules as simple as PH3 can imply life, i mean there is no known process that produces it besides microbes? what if there's a unknown process that does it and this is what they have come across instead?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:29:53 2020 No.12119906

>>12119889
What is the known biological process that produces 20ppb phosphine and no other compounds? There is no life on earth that behaves like this.
That's where it ends at, there are no known biological or abiological processes to draw a conclusion yet but people decided to latch on to the LIFE!! religious explanation as usual.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:32:42 2020 No.12119922

>>12119904
There are dozens of known processes that produce phosphine in far higher amounts than earth-like life and all gas giants have such processes, it's a much smaller leap in logic to suggest that Venus which has a very dense atmosphere also happens to have an yet unknown process similar to a gas giant's.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:33:18 2020 No.12119926 >>12119746 >Jupiter, a reducing hydrogen rich hyper dense atmosphere produces phosphine >This clearly means that the oxygen rich low pressure oxidized atmosphere will produce the same things

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:34:39 2020 No.12119932 >>12119349 Next time, make sure you mention there are only two ways for phosphine to be present ON ROCKY PLANETS. It'll give the idiots here less to argue with

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:35:02 2020 No.12119933 >>12119922 so why is this a big deal and why did they publish a paper implying life? is this another funding scheme?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:35:04 2020 No.12119934 >>12119926 >clearly this must mean life is the only explanation

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:36:34 2020 No.12119939 >>12119906 life on Venus would only need to be 10% as efficient as Earth anaerobic bacteria such as Archaean extremophiles to produce the required phosphine amount per the paper

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:36:52 2020 No.12119941

>>12119933
It's an interesting finding that suggests an unknown process but the life hypothesis is a nothingburger that relies on completely ignoring everything we know about life and also assumes that Venus life produces far more phosphine than Earth life.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:51:00 2020 No.12120008

>>12119866
whoops meant DAVINCI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAVINCI
>>12119872
it's a Discovery class mission, meaning relatively cheap by NASA standards and cost capped.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_Program
Meaning it literally can't cost as much as JWST because then it gets canned. Discovery mission's have been pretty successful. For example, Mars Pathfinder was a Discovery class mission.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:00:27 2020 No.12120049 >>12118981 Anon, you will be millionaire if you follow your idea.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:07:30 2020 No.12120079 >>12119941 our understanding of life could be incorrect, no?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:51:03 2020 No.12120251
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>>12119488
>
I agree, this is the midwit issue as discussed by Edward Dutton. Absolute normalfags heading science departments and trying to say that fugacity models are useful to disprove a chemical pathway and try to understand reaction kinetics on another planet. Incredible.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 14:54:33 2020 No.12120264
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>>12119941
>a lifeform existing in a 90% acidici enviromnent would produce the same amount of phospine as an earth life form

>a lifeform - COMPLETELY SEPERATED FROM OUR OWN ECOSYSTEMS - would produce the same amount of phospine as an earth life form.

fucking hell you people

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:19:47 2020 No.12120351 >it's fucking nothing BROS YOU LIED TO ME NOW THEY'RE GONNA BREAK MY LEGS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:23:33 2020 No.12120371 >>12119756 >this is the kind of retarded faggot that posts consciousness threads on /sci/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:34:47 2020 No.12120423 >>12119657 >life existing on a planet >out-there theory

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 15:36:57 2020 No.12120436 File: 1.05 MB, 795x795, 1599834605582.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12120423 >t.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 16:38:37 2020 No.12120728 >>12119411 This

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:02:36 2020 No.12121063 File: 14 KB, 261x251, professor-farnsworth.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12119746 I'm predicting now that science will show that Jupiter is crawling with life, oh yes, and Venus is as sterile as my milk-man trusting father, oh my, yes.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:10:50 2020 No.12121094

>>12119831
Seems unlikely, didn't they drop on in pretty quickly? I don;t see anything that rode down to the surface surviving. Atmospheric floating probes might do it -- so look to Vega rather than Venera.

That said, Venus just crawls with everything you could hope for to synthesive unexpected molecules -- heat, preuuse, acidity, you name it. This is most likely going to be the case that phosphine is just a natural byproduct of inorganic process on Venus.

>>12119845
>carbon dioxide
To be fair, I think we have detected a bit of CO2 on Venus.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:14:17 2020 No.12121108

>>12119939
But where are the other things that life produces?

There is no known living process that could account for what we see on Venus, and no known non-living process. So it's a process we don't yet know about. (Or, I suppose, it could turn out not to be a valid detection of phosphine, but that seems unlikely.)

Why life processes that we don;t understand how they would be possible over non-living process that we don't understand? Particularly when we KNOW that Venus is perfectly set up with extreme temps, pressures, acid and shit to do weird chemistry?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:15:46 2020 No.12121117

>>12120079
Sure. Or it could be that our understanding of how to make phosphine without biology is incomplete.

And even there, we KNOW (contrary t what is being claimed) that there are non-biological ways to generate all the phosphine you want -- see: Jupiter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:00:36 2020 No.12121311 >>12119524 >“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” Really probable we don't know shit about planet science

>>	ANON ON THE MOON Mon Sep 14 21:21:36 2020 No.12121698 File: 308 KB, 830x1064, CAT LOOKING AT SPACE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] WAIT! ANON! BEFORE YOU GO JUST TELL ME IF I WILL BE ABLE TO LIVE ON VENUS ONE DAY

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