How will they collect samples in an atmospheric probe?

[Anonymous No.12118710]

How hard would it even be to get a sample and return it back to Earth?

First you would need something that passes through Venus without melting and also be fast enough, so the pressure doesn't kill it.

What next?

[Anonymous No.12118778]

>>12118710
You must first invent the Universe.

[Anonymous No.12118780]

>>12118710
>First you would need something that passes through Venus without melting and also be fast enough, so the pressure doesn't kill it.
We did that in the 1970s.

[Anonymous No.12118796]

>>12118780
Are you sure?

[Anonymous No.12118805]

>>12118710
Atmospheric scooper would be the first thing to try. Won't get microbes but could be useful.
>Launch from earth
>Intermediate stage lines up a shallow aerobreaking profile
>Scoop some gas
>Transmit data
>Dump gas scoop and tank
>Use the rest of your fuel to establish orbit
>Now you have an orbiter at venus as well
Mission type 2
>Aggressive dumb landers
>Launch SUPERHEAVY rocket with 5 landers
>All landers have the same hardware.
>Launch three as "scouts" to scope out a good sample site
>Landers are incredibly simple with mechanical controls buried deep inside thick ceramic shells, with cast iron outer hull. Explosive bolts cover the sensors, drill, and chemical testing instruments.
>Once the device lands, it blows the bolts, immediately begins drilling, spectro on the sample, records ambient conditions, 2nd set of explosive bolts releases the antenna that xmts back to the orbiter. After three landers do this, earth operators decide which of the three scouts got the tastiest data, and send the two remaining landers there. The landers will be destroyed in less than an hour after transmitting the data.
That's how I would do it.
>How nasa would do it.
>Him and haw for 7 years on a probe designed by committee.
>Program is cancelled after 10 years because the new president doesn't like it.

Nasa if you're hiring let me know.

[Anonymous No.12118809]

>>12118796
It lasted long enough to send back some cool pics

[Anonymous No.12118822]

>>12118809
lmao, the fucker is literally melting apart as they take the photos

I love how that piece just falls the fuck off

[Anonymous No.12118835]

In the 1980s, the Soviets send a couple of packages that included balloon probes that lasted a couple of days in the upper atmosphere of Venus. Getting a return would be more difficult.

[Anonymous No.12118840]

>>12118822
I believe that was the camera lens cover. The first time they sent one they couldn't get pics because the pressure prevented the lens cover from ejecting.

[Anonymous No.12118880]

>>12118840
No, it came off the end of that protruding piece.

[Anonymous No.12119075]

>>12118805
>Atmospheric scooper would be the first thing to try. Won't get microbes but could be useful.

Why do you rule out an atmospheric scooper scooping up atmospheric bacteria?


>>Launch SUPERHEAVY rocket with 5 landers. The landers will be destroyed in less than an our after transmitting the data.
>That's how I would do it.

Why? You want more pictures of bare rock? What we're looking for is in the atmosphere, why pass that to get to an area that is intensly destructive to your hardware and isn't what you want to loo at anyway?

[Anonymous No.12119076]

>>12118809
Is nobody gong to mention the toothless T. Rex lurking in the mist to the left?

[Anonymous No.12119094]

>that guy who always have to mention a toothless T. Rex lurking in the mist

[Anonymous No.12119102]

>>12118805
I worked at NASA in 2016-2017. This is exactly how it would happen.

[Anonymous No.12119106]

>>12118710
how is this /iq or /race?
I don't know. Seems 'data' is more realistic than a physical sample.

[Anonymous No.12119112]

>>12118710
Its called SCIM, just replace Mars with Venus.

Concept video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WorhUTyURg

article on wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_Collection_for_Investigation_of_Mars

[Anonymous No.12119794]

>>12119076
It's not toothless, it's just got lips.

[Anonymous No.12119802]

>>12118710
That’s be retarded we’d just put equipment on board to do analysis to see if there really is life having some return trip is complicated bullshit. We have rockets right now that could launch something like this easily. Return trip adds so much complexity for no reason.

[Anonymous No.12119816]

>>12119075
The scooper might get some microbes, that would be great.

[Anonymous No.12119824]

>>12119802
You think you can put microscope inside a probe that will live mere hour inside Venus atmosphere?

[Anonymous No.12119839]

>>12119824
They probably could if they shield it enough for a couple good photos before it dying for whatever reason but I’m sure there are things besides microscopes that can do analysis other then sending it all the way back. I’m not a chemist but I know there was missions to Mars where they scooped the dirt on Mars and did chemical analysis on it and did a bunch of experiments with it with a probe. There are probably many different ways to detect life definitely if we know the processes it uses to produce shit.

[Anonymous No.12119844]

>>12119839
Laser + spectro but it wouldn't be "proof"

[Anonymous No.12119852]

A floating lab that can collect the samples then tranfer them to a launch probe, in a built-in launch structure.

[Anonymous No.12119854]

>>12119844
I’m sure there will be a bunch of schizos who will rage about inner workings of the probe (Without really knowing much about it) how it might be faulty or some shit. It’s literally the easiest thing to do we have all the technology and rocketry to do it right now with one mission. Also probably can still use some sort of microscope to get pretty pictures. Although I’m don’t know if there were similar probes that also used a microscope so that maybe new. Still easier then having a return mission. Suicide probes are always easier.

[Anonymous No.12119860]

the ksp autists can do it so why can't we

[Anonymous No.12119869]

So how many years you estimate it will take?

They should only talk about shit like this when they have a definitive answer

[Anonymous No.12119883]

>>12119854
Yeah bringing foreign microbes from a another planet back seems reckless until at least some data is gathered first.

[Anonymous No.12119913]

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAVINCI
Do you think they might go with this now?

[Anonymous No.12119944]

>>12119883
>bringing foreign microbes from a another planet back
what are the risks of doing that?
no hollywood memes

[Anonymous No.12120069]

>>12118778
based

[Anonymous No.12120082]

>>12118710
Need to have some sort of floating probe baloon probe that is deployed that can get back to orbit. Then just maybe a collection membranes that can collect particles from the atmoshpere but let certain gases pass through

[Anonymous No.12120087]

>>12118710

[Anonymous No.12120097]

>>12119112
won't the extreme speed of the passage completely destroy any possible microbes it encounters?

[Anonymous No.12120222]

>>12119944
obviously we cant have certanity because something like this never happend before
but on earth more often than not when you introduce foreign species to an ecosystem it completly wrecks the ballance and often leads to ecological catastrophe of varying size
and we're talking about microbes that thrive in extreme temperatures, highly acidic ph and possibly wild range of pressures
if all those extreme conditions are not essential for microbe survival it could be REALLY bad if we brought them back

[Anonymous No.12120256]

>>12120222
big deal

[Anonymous No.12120302]

Series of small drones are launched from an low orbit probe
>Drones collect samples
>Use small boosters to get back to probe
>Probe launches back to higher orbiting vehicle
>Vehicle returns to Earth with samples

Alternatively you just have the probe do all the processing and send the results back to earth. Then you could have drones repeat the mission for new samples.

[Anonymous No.12120347]

>>12120222
immigration is a fact of life, deal with it

[Anonymous No.12120359]

>>12118710
They'll never be able to return an actual sample to Earth.
They can only use a probe to analyze and transmit the data back to Earth.

[Anonymous No.12120514]

>>12118805
How did you conceive these ideas? Are you an aerospace engineer? You just have an interest in space missions and this post you made is the accumulation of years reading about space projects? Or you're just a kerbal space program gaymer?

[Anonymous No.12120651]

>>12119869
the actual report is "high phosphine levels unexplained" and everyone took that and ran with it

[Anonymous No.12120707]

>>12120347
>pic
how does one find a based and redpilled gf like this

[Anonymous No.12120715]

>>12118710

High Altitude Venus Operational Concept
>https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/

Get on the HAVOC train lads.

[Anonymous No.12120719]

>>12120707
The unemployment line.

[Anonymous No.12121061]

>>12118710

Unironically the answer is space blimps. Surf the cloud tops and do the analysis in situ. Use the blimp as a mothership for smaller drones that can go lower into the atmosphere and collect samples. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.12121090]

>>12120651
Stop

[Anonymous No.12121621]

>>12120222
True if big

[Anonymous No.12121631]

>>12120222
>we're talking about microbes that thrive in extreme temperatures, highly acidic ph and possibly wild range of pressures

which means it’s literally fucking impossible for them to live on Earth as nothing even CLOSE to their habitat exists here. There is absolutely no chance that something adapted to Venusian clouds could live on Earth. It’s hard to emphasize how extreme the difference in environments is.

[Anonymous No.12121653]

>>12119824
It would be in the upper atmosphere where the pressure is about the same as earth. There’s nothing living on the surface.

[Anonymous No.12121757]

>>12119102
Tips on getting hired there?

[Anonymous No.12121897]

>>12120097
Can utilise vortrex physics, like the ones falcons use to protect ears

[Anonymous No.12122000]

>>12118805
this is why the USSR should have won the cold war

[Anonymous No.12122004]

There's no way sample return from Venus is happening, maybe you could scoop something up from the very upper atmosphere but that's probably not going to be very useful.

Some kind of blimp or drone that can fly around for a while and send data back makes more sense.

[Anonymous No.12122656]

>>12118805
NASA HIRE THIS MAN

[Anonymous No.12122718]

>>12118805
>it blows the bolts, immediately begins drilling
Instantly killing the Trilaxian queen and spawning in interplanetary war we have no hope of surviving.

[Anonymous No.12122799]

>How will they collect samples in an atmospheric probe?

They won't.

Come November election, nobody will even remember this happened.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

[Anonymous No.12122856]

>>12122799
Feb 21 2021
Perseverance finds Martian life.

[Anonymous No.12122891]

>>12120302
there's no point rushing just to get a few samples, we should situate ourselves in Venus for long term studies

[Anonymous No.12122897]

>>12121061
what's the fastest we could make the blimps go? Ideally they would want to go fast enough to go in and out of day/night parts of the planet without having to wait a year

[Anonymous No.12122903]

>>12118805
The sad thing is that none of SpaceX rockets will have any use on Venus, at least they wouldn't be able to be recycled, just one time use

[Anonymous No.12122912]

>>12120222
there is already life on earth that exists in environments similar venus (e.g. extremely hot and acidic), and they haven't taken over

[Anonymous No.12123031]

>>12118710
A sample return mission using a rockoon. Like pic.

The rocket will contain a sample collection payload and float around collecting samples, when mission is completed the rockoon will jettison the ballast and rise up above most of the atmosphere to avoid delta v penalty, then the rocket will release from the balloon and fire taking it to orbit, either rendezvousing with a waiting spacecraft or continuing on straight to Earth, optional is leave a small science payload behind on the balloon for further science.

[Anonymous No.12123054]

>>12121757
Be a woman or be black or LGBT and have a novice intrest in astronautics or physics.
Not even joking.

[Anonymous No.12123079]

>>12119075
>You want more pictures of bare rock?
Yes

[Anonymous No.12123095]

>>12122912
Extremophiles that presumably also evolved on earth in balance with their surrounding ecosystem. Google ‘invasive species’ if you really don’t understand why brining a life form from another planet might be a bad idea.

[Anonymous No.12123133]

>>12123054
>>12123079

[Anonymous No.12123136]

>>12123054

[Anonymous No.12123180]

>>12118880
If it was significantly damaged, there'd be more slag on the protruding bolts. As it stands, the bolts look perfectly healthy. Camera lens cap.
Their caps were apparently not designed to go very far. Venera 14 managed to have one fall directly under the surface compressibility tester. Wound up testing the compressibility of its own lens cap.

[Anonymous No.12123541]

>>12122912
No, there isn’t. No earth environmemt is anywhere close to resembling Venus.

[Anonymous No.12123830]

>>12118809
That’s not a real image. It’s infrared

[Anonymous No.12124380]

>>12118805
bureaucracy is one of the great filters right?