THIS IS 100% HAPPENING FOR REAL THIS TIME

[Anonymous No.12114329]

Phosphine gas was found in the upper atmosphere of Venus. Here on Earth, phosphine is a bio-signature. The conclusions are obvious.

>Simply put, a gas that shouldn’t be there, and on Earth is considered a conclusive biosignature: phosphine, a very stinky gas. As far as scientists know, there are only two ways to produce it, either artificially in a lab, or by certain kinds of microbes that live in oxygen-free environments. Since it is rather unlikely there any alien labs on Venus, that leaves microbes.

>Researchers from MIT had previously published studies showing that if phosphine was to ever be found on another rocky planet, it would be a sure sign of life there. Hence why this discovery is so provocative. But before announcing this tantalizing evidence, the researchers, of course, wanted to try to rule out other explanations. They considered and tested many various scenarios where this gas might be produced without life, but as they acknowledge, they came up empty.

What do you think, /sci/?

[Anonymous No.12114346]

>>12114329
>They don't know how to produce it
[math] 4CH_4 + 2P \to 2PH_3 + 2C_2H_4 + H_2 [/math]
Where is my nobel prise?

[Anonymous No.12114377]

Inb4 the russians didnt clean their venera probes properly

[Anonymous No.12114479]

>>12114346
>prise

[Anonymous No.12114481]

>>12114377
Chad russian engineers inseminating the entire solar system vs. virgin nasa workers sterilising probes and raising their wife's sons.

[Anonymous No.12114572]

Do we really know enough about Venusian atmosphere to rule out abiotic production of phosphine?

[Anonymous No.12114847]

https://twitter.com/Arachie92/status/1305099761704345601

Look at that Astrophysicist in the replies scolding him for leaking, big if true.

[Anonymous No.12114853]

>>12114329
I was hoping somebody would leak it. big if true, but probably not true

[Anonymous No.12114861]

>>12114572
No

[Anonymous No.12114866]

>>12114572
Venus probes when

[Anonymous No.12114921]

>>12114329
Here is a simple explanation how phosphine can form in Venusian atmosphere
>no ayys required
>no Russian snots required

1) as temperature rises during the day, phosphoric acid present on Venus decomposes to phosphorus trioxide (detected by Vega probe)
2) phosphorus trioxide evaporates and rises to upper atmosphere, where it precipitates and forms aerosol
3) phosphorus trioxide reacts with water in upper atmosphere, forming phosphorous acid
4) the key step - phosphorous acid precipitates back to lower atmosphere, dissociates at high temperatures (>200°C) into phosphoric acid and our phosphine
5) phosphine rises up and is eventually also oxidized back to phosphorous acid
6) phosphoric acid precipitates out and deposits into regolith (or simply lower atmosphere) during the night, returning to step 1

This cycle is impossible on Earth because it requires atmospheric temperatures of 200+°C, which are present on Venus

[Anonymous No.12114943]

>>12114329
Post the archive fgt: https://archive.is/L7MT1

[Anonymous No.12114952]

>>12114921
send this to the scientists anon

[Anonymous No.12114963]

>>12114943
I tried going to the live link and it 404'd, did they pull the article or something?

[Anonymous No.12114985]

Something's fishy in this.
Wasn't it some MIT person that jumped in front and said something about it?

[Anonymous No.12114990]

>>12114921
> It [Phosphorous Trioxode] is formally the anhydride of phosphorous acid, H3PO3, but cannot be obtained by the dehydration of the acid.

[Anonymous No.12115032]

>>12114963
Yeah, it was meant to be revealed on the 14 but someone forgot to tag it as private.
There was an yt video but I dont think anyone saved it.

[Anonymous No.12115039]

>>12114866
~60 years ago.

[Anonymous No.12115325]

>>12114952
ok I did
we'll see...

[Anonymous No.12115330]

>>12115032
Bro I watched the video I should of downloaded it

[Anonymous No.12115341]

>>12114377
Earth gave Venus a Venereal Disease

[Anonymous No.12115346]

>>12114921
/sci/ btfos scientists in negative time

[Anonymous No.12115360]

>>12114921
Anon, we talked about this, this was the first reaction they looked into, the numbers dont add up for it. Phosphorus is rare on venus, if the phosphine was all from that, ut would only get to a conc3ntration about 1/10000 of what they ser.

[Anonymous No.12115370]

>>12114329
>Since it is rather unlikely there any alien labs on Venus, that leaves microbes.

No it doesn't. It leaves microbes as the only other source they *know* about. It doesn't confirm it as the source.

[Anonymous No.12115377]

>>12115039
lol. So weird how few people know this.

[Anonymous No.12115386]

>>12115377
We're all mostly faggots from 20 to 35-40 years bro, the Venera probes were too old for the average random person to know about

[Anonymous No.12115413]

>>12115341
heh

[Anonymous No.12115426]

>>12115325
Don't forget to include the reaction equations.

[Anonymous No.12115447]

>>12114329
do retards really think any life found in the solar system wouldn't come from a common source?

[Anonymous No.12115450]

It’s bacteria containment from soviet probes. They ruined a whole planet.

[Anonymous No.12115464]

link to cache
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dUWrpm80WHsJ:https://earthsky.org/%3Fp%3D343883+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[Anonymous No.12115511]

I hate to be that guy, but even if there is bacterial life on Venus somehow, what implications does it have? That life forms a bit easier than was previously thought? Ok. Anything else?

[Anonymous No.12115517]

>>12115511
>what implications does it have?

1. Life in the universe is probably very common.

2. We are fucked. Loop up Fermi Paradox / Great Filter.

[Anonymous No.12115519]

>>12115447
Why would it?

[Anonymous No.12115522]

>>12115517
assuming we didn't put it there with our own probes

[Anonymous No.12115523]

>>12115511
If they are related to terrestrial lifeforms it would indicate that panspermia between bodies of the same star system is at least feasible.
If they are otherwise unrelated, it would mean abiogenesis is a relatively common process and life is abundant throughout the universe.

[Anonymous No.12115525]

>>12115450
this desu

[Anonymous No.12115526]

>>12115517
assuming it isn't related to earth life

[Anonymous No.12115534]

>>12115517
Most likely life on Venus, Jovian moons and under Martian surface has common ancestor and was spread by meteorite impacts and ejecta containing extramophiles landing on other planets.
My guess is it was Mars which had life first.

[Anonymous No.12115535]

>>12115522
Why don't we do this? If I was in charge, we would have sprayed the surface of Mars with some extremophile bacteria that can live there. Maybe in a billion years we'll have Martians! Same for Europa.

[Anonymous No.12115536]

Venera probe panspermia idea is stupid. Probes would travel in deep space for months, vacuum, desiccation, suffer from radiation, then enter the atmosphere high speed in acid clouds and everything. Spores couldn't survive space and then just jumpstart in the new environments without any nutrients, with harsh environment with acid everywhere, radiation and no fucking food. Just dumb idea

[Anonymous No.12115539]

>>12115450
The dark mats in Venus clouds were observed in 1920s already. Venus was bombarded by Earth meteorites since hundreds of millions years.

[Anonymous No.12115544]

>>12115539
>Venus was bombarded by Earth meteorites
How? I keep reading about Martian meteorites hitting Earth, etc. Is it due to asteroid collisions sending stuff into space? If so, such meteorites have to be rare, but apparently not.

[Anonymous No.12115545]

>>12115535
There is a chance there's indigenous life there, which actually is valuable due to potential in biochemistry research and medical and chemical applications.

[Anonymous No.12115546]

>>12115517
>1. Life in the universe is probably very common.
Bacterial life in the solar system, you must mean. There's no reason to suppose more complex life can evolve in environments extremely hostile to complex life forms on earth, or that bacteria are in many places where we are unable to detect them.

[Anonymous No.12115558]

>>12115544
Calculations have also been made to estimate the fractions of ejecta from one planet that are re-accreted by itself or by another planet (Gladman et al. 1996; Melosh 2003). Re-accretion by Earth and Venus accounts for about 40 per cent; a few per cent of Earth ejecta impact Mars while some 20 per cent go to Jupiter and beyond. Of Mars' ejecta, the planet re-accretes some 30 per cent, while Earth gets 25 per cent and 25 per cent are ejected to Jupiter and beyond. These proportions are used to derive the numbers in Fig. 1 (based on 20 tonne yr−1 from Earth – see next section). The time-scales are ∼ 106 yr for Earth–Mars exchanges and ∼ 107 yr for Earth–Jupiter and beyond.

[Anonymous No.12115577]

>>12114329
Simplest explanation is contamination due to old russian probes/satellites going MIA.

[Anonymous No.12115582]

>The Venera (Russian: Beнépa, pronounced [vʲJˈnʲɛrə], which means "Venus" in Russian) program was the name given to a series of space probes developed by the Soviet Union between 1961 and 1984 to gather information about the planet Venus. Ten probes successfully landed on the surface of the planet, including the two Vega program and Venera-Halley probes, while thirteen probes successfully entered the Venusian atmosphere.

So what's the big discovery here now that the reason venus is full of bacteria is 100% explained?

[Anonymous No.12115583]

>>12115577
This allows us to determine the probability and conditions for the collision of Earth ejecta with other planets of the Solar System. We also estimate the amount of particles falling back to Earth and colliding with the Moon as a function of time after being ejected. The Mercury-6 code is used to compute the dynamics of test particles under the gravitational effect of the planets in the Solar System and the Sun. A series of simulations are conducted with different ejection speeds, considering more than 10(5) particles in each case. We find that in general, the collision rates of Earth ejecta with Venus and the Moon, as well as the fall-back rates, are within an order of magnitude of results reported in the literature. By considering a larger number of particles than in all previous calculations we have also determined, on the basis of direct numerical simulations, the collision probability with Mars and, for the first time, computed collision probabilities with Jupiter and Saturn.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/224900220_Dynamics_of_escaping_Earth_ejecta_and_their_collision_probability_with_different_Solar_System_bodies

[Anonymous No.12115593]

>>12115582
Anon, the clouds of venus contain almost no water and are full of acid. Its not life from earth.

[Anonymous No.12115615]

>>12115593
Yeah, brainlets think that few bacteria that hitched a ride on a spacecraft somehow found Venus to be pleasant and completely changed its atmosphere in less than 50 years to the point that even our telescopes can see it. it is impossible

[Anonymous No.12115617]

>>12115583
That's the most incredibly boring thing I've ever read in my entire life.

[Anonymous No.12115626]

>>12115617
You are in the wrong place then. This is a science board.

[Anonymous No.12115631]

>>12115615
ever heard of evolution, mr science man?

[Anonymous No.12115632]

>>12115617
>Meteorites with life from Earth landing on Titan and Europa
>Boring

[Anonymous No.12115634]

>>12115615
If venus was lifeless before the russian probes then the bacteria that made it to the surface had literally zero competition and technically infinite resources to reproduce themselves. 60 years. Do the math.

[Anonymous No.12115647]

>>12115634
And why didn't it come earlier on meteorite?

[Anonymous No.12115654]

>>12115631
Anon, evolution involves time and adaptation. Venusian probes would have lifeforms adapted to earthly conditions, most of which would be dead after months of vacuum and hard radiation. The few spores left would then find themselves circulating in an atmosphere with no water and no food and a bunch of corrosive acid. There is no way earth life colonized venus from these probes.

[Anonymous No.12115655]

>>12115647
bacteria probably can't survive on the surface of a metorite going through atmosphere and possibly impacting. however, it can survive in a probe that is protected from the atmosphere during entry and lands safely.

[Anonymous No.12115656]

>>12115631
ever hears of solar radiation on a body with no magnetic field?

[Anonymous No.12115662]

We saw seasonal changes in the color of venusian atmosphere long before probes. Life almost certainly native.

[Anonymous No.12115663]

>>12115634
>Do the math.

I did, it doesn't work. Show me your math

[Anonymous No.12115666]

>>12115656
>>12115654
>haha you came from monkey, your sky man is fake and earth is not 6000 years old!
>NOOOOO THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS! EVOLUTION DOESN"T EXIST ON MARS!
which is it, big science man?

[Anonymous No.12115669]

>>12115662
>seasonal changes in the color of venusian atmosphere
Source? First time hearing this.

[Anonymous No.12115674]

>>12115666
Explain specifically how a bacteria that gets dumped into sulfuric acid isnt dissolved.

[Anonymous No.12115681]

>>12115674
You can find bacteria on earth that’s in sulphuric acid dumb duck

[Anonymous No.12115682]

>>12115674
It "evolved" its way out.

[Anonymous No.12115684]

>>12115669
https://astronomy.com/news/2019/08/mysterious-dark-patches-in-venus-clouds-are-affecting-the-weather-there

[Anonymous No.12115686]

>>12115593
Wrong.

>Despite the harsh conditions on the surface, the atmospheric pressure and temperature at about 50 km to 65 km above the surface of the planet is nearly the same as that of the Earth, making its upper atmosphere the most Earth-like area in the Solar System, even more so than the surface of Mars. Due to the similarity in pressure and temperature and the fact that breathable air (21% oxygen, 78% nitrogen) is a lifting gas on Venus in the same way that helium is a lifting gas on Earth, the upper atmosphere has been proposed as a location for both exploration and colonization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus#Upper_atmosphere_and_ionosphere

[Anonymous No.12115688]

>>12114346
>he writes chemical formulas in italic

[Anonymous No.12115691]

>>12115681
They gradually evolved to tolerate it. These are bacteria with no inherent resistance.

[Anonymous No.12115697]

>>12115686
>breathable air (21% oxygen, 78% nitrogen) is a lifting gas on Venus
Shit, what are the chances of that much O2 in air appearing abiotically?

[Anonymous No.12115698]

>>12115686
Oh my god, an atmosphere is less dense higher up? What a shocking revelation! It is still dry and full of acid you mong.

It is extremely unlikely soviet probe microbes colonized Venus.

[Anonymous No.12115700]

>>12115655
>bacteria probably can't survive on the surface of a metorite going through atmosphere and possibly impacting. however, it can survive in a probe that is protected from the atmosphere during entry and lands safely
Actually it can, but it also could be inside the rock

[Anonymous No.12115703]

using todays technology how much longer could a probe last on venus?

[Anonymous No.12115709]

We should send a proper atmospheric balloon probe to venus.

[Anonymous No.12115714]

>>12115703
Probably a really long time. But after the study spreads around more people will look at it and theorize about it a general consensus will be formed of the possible cause of this phenomena. So probably and a year we will have a good enough solution bacteria or not

[Anonymous No.12115719]

Sample return mission is what we need.
>Rocket attached to balloon
>Rocket collects samples
>Rocket flies back to space and orbiter catches it.
>Orbiter transfers samples to return to earth rocket
>Sample return capsule captured by another space craft on earths orbit

[Anonymous No.12115722]

>>12115719
The planetary protection racket will raise a stink

[Anonymous No.12115725]

>>12115719
Probably not will happen. The probe will just do analysis with onboard Shit and then transmit it back. No return trip needed.

[Anonymous No.12115730]

>>12115719
It probably won't catch a sample the first time. It should be a repeatable mission for an automated orbital station.

[Anonymous No.12115734]

Man i hope venusian life has a different chirality. That would be cool and would make concerns about disease impossible.

[Anonymous No.12115742]

>>12115697
It's just referring to the composition of "breathable air". Balloons filled with breathable air would float up by themselves (even with added weight) in the upper atmosphere of Venus.
>>12115698
Keep being a moron.

[Anonymous No.12115745]

>>12115511
If there's life on Venus there's life in other multiple places of our system like Europa almost 100%

[Anonymous No.12115746]

>>12115722
>>12115719
It's actually good reason for having a lunar base.
There is a chance of microbial life deep underneath the Moon if there is a liquid water and heat. Tonns of biomatter have landed on the Moon from Earth when both objects were younger.

[Anonymous No.12115747]

>>12115691
Theoretical it could happen if by fault or on purpose bacteria that is resistant to sulphuric acid was sent to Venus and had some sort of mechanism to survive and reproduce. If unimpedded in a human life time you could probably see great environmental effect. No competition. Just unlimited amount of biological material for them to get.

[Anonymous No.12115782]

>>12115663
You didn't. Divide the venus surface area by an average bacterial surface area times the number required to fully colonize the planet. 23.4 * 10 ^ 18

Now calculate the time it would take for a single bacteria at an average rate to multiply until it gets to that number. Divide that number by two and there you have it.

[Anonymous No.12115792]

>>12115032
I downloaded it. Did they take it down?

[Anonymous No.12115796]

>>12115511
It literally means that life must be fucking everywhere in the universe

[Anonymous No.12115799]

>>12115511
This is how stupid the average normalfag is. He don’t care if he can’t fuck it.

[Anonymous No.12115801]

>>12115796
*might be fucking everywhere in the universe. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Anonymous No.12115802]

>>12115719
>Mission cross contaminates the planet even more rendering the samples forever useless and the venusian bacteria dies forever
>Millions in tax payers money wasted just to en up killing the only planet with probable life, ever, in the existence of the universe

[Anonymous No.12115804]

>>12115719
ah yes
alien microbes that cant be killed by heat or acid is just what we need on earth

[Anonymous No.12115805]

>>12114329
>phosphine gas on Venus is life
>heartbeat on Earth is not life

[Anonymous No.12115807]

>>12115719
Is this our version of le anal probing?

[Anonymous No.12115809]

>>12115805
shut up biggot

[Anonymous No.12115814]

>>12115805
Yes

[Anonymous No.12115816]

>>12115804
Isn't there a film franchise about this?

[Anonymous No.12115823]

>>12115792
lt's now private
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCXF8FUux74&t

[Anonymous No.12115824]

>>12115799
>microbial life on Venus
>He don’t care if he can’t fuck it.
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

[Anonymous No.12115825]

>>12114329
>we found a gas
>don't know how it was produced
>its aliens
Scientific journalism has gone down the toilet and I say that as a UFO nut

[Anonymous No.12115827]

>>12115802
Your absurd scenario relies on earth life somehow making an enormous evolutionary jump to being able to survive in a waterless acid cloud environment. It has to do this with a very small starting number of microbes that are weakened by months of vacuum desiccation and hard radiation.

Earth lie may have colonized venus billions fo years ago via panspermia,but it almost certainly has not colonized it in the last few decades.

[Anonymous No.12115829]

>>12115814
No.

[Anonymous No.12115834]

>>12115804
this.
y'all crazy, leave it there

[Anonymous No.12115835]

>>12115825
Hey retard, Phosphine has been considered the smoking gun for years now. It’s not just that we don5 know, it’s that we know that it shouldn’t

[Anonymous No.12115837]

>>12115825
we don't know for sure how it was produced, but after searching for more ways to produce this gas the only reasoanable way it is naturally produced that we found is microbes.

[Anonymous No.12115853]

This is actually pretty exciting. Fucking hell I hate /sci/ so God damn much.

[Anonymous No.12115868]

>>12115804
exactly. we could learn so much from it

[Anonymous No.12115872]

>>12115792
Upload it plz

[Anonymous No.12115873]

>>12115792
upload it anon

[Anonymous No.12115874]

>>12115825
t retard

[Anonymous No.12115886]

Does anyone have the link to the study? It got pulled

[Anonymous No.12115892]

why is she so cute bros
>I am a quantum astrochemist and science communicator. One day I hope to detect a habitable planet using spectroscopy. Until then I spend most of my time working really hard.

[Anonymous No.12115897]

>>12114329
Quite a leap of logic to go from finding evidence of phosphine to saying you found microbial life.
Science media was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.12115901]

>>12115886
>https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?source=hp&ei=c_ZdX4DrOaWEytMPq66boAU&q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fearthsky.org%2F%3Fp%3D343883
Link to the article, not sure this is what you're looking for

[Anonymous No.12115906]

>>12115872
It'll be back up post-embargo tomorrow, anon. It's a short marketing video for the claims; you're not missing anything you can't read here.

[Anonymous No.12115917]

>>12115901
I mean the study that the article references also got pulled

[Anonymous No.12115918]

https://mega.nz/file/a6pHjBLT
Reuploaded the video. Have fun
>>12115872
>>12115873
See above

[Anonymous No.12115921]

>>12115918
Need decryption key

[Anonymous No.12115923]

Eh, so the story is that they found a substance in Venus that they cannot explain their origin of. Microbes that are insanely heat- and acid-resistant are a possible explanation, but it could also be a mechanism which we don't know yet.

Did I get this correct?

[Anonymous No.12115933]

So this is just like the mysteriously regenerating methane on Mars, except with an even more biotic molecule?

[Anonymous No.12115935]

>>12115918
Is this dolphin porn?

[Anonymous No.12115941]

>>12115892
Working really hard on Chad's cock, maybe. That fucking slut.

[Anonymous No.12115944]

>>12115923
Pretty much, yeah. We can't be sure until we try to get some samples.

[Anonymous No.12115945]

>>12114921
imagine thinking a few dozen people from the top research institutes in the world involved in the findings didn't think about this

cute

[Anonymous No.12115951]

>>12115918
>>12115921
>>12115935
Fuck
https://mega.nz/file/a6pHjBLT#Itv1jUPO3LXEzr9pfby853r7QcnQ3zOQG2BnYVbSwyU
Here

[Anonymous No.12115953]

>>12115511
It would mean we need to stop thinking of life being limited to only water.

[Anonymous No.12115955]

>>12115835
>>12115837
>>12115874
it's fucking gas.
take your tinfoil hat off
remember when they said "the only way that star's light could have been dimmed was an "alien mega structure"? There will be a mundane explanation released in a few months once all the junk science and speculation has been sifted through. You all fall for this shivery time.

[Anonymous No.12115957]

holy shit, oh my god, this literally changes nothing

[Anonymous No.12115966]

>>12115892
diversity hire, bet you a hundred bucks there's a beta austist orbiter behind all her "work" like that time with the black holes

[Anonymous No.12115969]

>>12115955
>remember when they said
"they" was a bunch of retarded youtubers not actual scientists

[Anonymous No.12116034]

>>12115511
It means actually a fucking lot in philosophical and scientific terms. This is revolutionary for science if true.

[Anonymous No.12116036]

>>12114329
Oh wow, there might be some germs in the clouds of Venus. So what?

[Anonymous No.12116040]

>>12115966
>everyone with brown skin and a better job than me is a diversity hire
Poltard cope.

[Anonymous No.12116043]

>>12115447
if we find life, this will be the first thing checked

[Anonymous No.12116048]

>>12116040
In this case it was an 'everyone with a vagina' cope.

[Anonymous No.12116052]

>>12116048
Polcel cope

[Anonymous No.12116054]

>>12115892
((([math] \mathcal{J}[/math])))

[Anonymous No.12116055]

>>12115944
I see, so this is marketing to get a venus mission going.

[Anonymous No.12116057]

>>12116054
Jews are scientists while pol tards post on cartoon forums. Jews are the master race after all.

[Anonymous No.12116062]

I am literally crying right now.

I subscribe to the "Great Filter" hypothesis and I always thought that us humans would be safe since the Great Filter was the emergence of life.
Since we had already breached this filter, we were supposed to be safe: the filter was behind us.

Now I'm so fucking scared. We can no longer be sure we passed the filter. What if the Filter comes for us tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.12116066]

>>12116057
This ridiculous tribal god complex is why people distrust you semitic people.

[Anonymous No.12116070]

>>12116062
these theories re dumb, we see no ayes because FTL is impossible. It's.... I was going to say it's not rocket science but this time it is lol.

[Anonymous No.12116075]

>>12116066
jewish men are hot and smart, they are the master race. kys pol faggot

[Anonymous No.12116076]

>>12116070
>FTL is impossible
What about wormholes and shit?

[Anonymous No.12116080]

>>12114329
>inb4 it's just Earth microbes because the dirty commies didn't clean their probes

[Anonymous No.12116081]

>>12116066
Wow, so Jews are the master race after a all. Pol BTFO.

[Anonymous No.12116082]

>>12116062
the filter is chaos caused by technology. sorry bub. slime world AI swarm when

[Anonymous No.12116085]

>>12116070
>FTL is impossible

lol the more we learn about it the more plausible it seems. we can even identify the method by which time travel using it is impossible.

[Anonymous No.12116087]

>>12116075
So irrational, the only reason you even got to this point is because of our foolish european empathy you are nothing without us you sand rat.

[Anonymous No.12116091]

>>12116087
>European empathy
>Kills 6 million Jews

[Anonymous No.12116095]

>>12116062
couldn't the great filter be tool use or agriculture? I'm pretty sure we nailed that

[Anonymous No.12116098]

>>12116076
Hypothetical concept. No FTL is real.

[Anonymous No.12116212]

>>12116095
You really have to job as an alien species not to stumble unto agriculture.

Maybe other alien species do discover it and realize that it basically fucks you over for the next 10,000 years. Which is what happened in human history. We're barely getting ourselves back to hunter gatherer caloric input.

[Anonymous No.12116214]

>>12116091
>people even care about this
>europeans have no empathy

Its like saying to a psychopath, it is truely amazing even you jews in STEM are no differen from the evil god complex scum in the business majors or entertainment industry you truely are an insane breed of humans who need to be oppresed.

[Anonymous No.12116236]

>>12116066

[Anonymous No.12116271]

>>12116085
No, FTL is impossible, once you get it you can literally break the universe

[Anonymous No.12116281]

What happened to /sci/? Compelling evidence for life elsewhere in the universe and half the thread is /pol/tards and people asking what the significance of this is

[Anonymous No.12116287]

>>12116281
The problem is /pol/tards, obviously

[Anonymous No.12116292]

>>12116271
>shine a flashlight at the sky
>break universe
huh, well I'll be damned

[Anonymous No.12116300]

>>12116062
The great filter is probably a combination of the multicellular life, intelligent tool user species, and said species developing agriculture or equivalent to achieve the necessary societal critical mass(basically going from small tribes to large interconnected civilizations), all which are probably individually rare on their own.

[Anonymous No.12116311]

Move the goalposts. Don't freak out, maybe the filter is Mitochondria.
Maybe the ayyys will not open discourse without a new world order.

[Anonymous No.12116331]

>>12114329
Good luck waiting for funds to be syphoned into the research endeavors required to confirm this. Literally no one cares about exobiology, especially when its origin is probably the russians makes a buttload of mistakes when they sent those probes 60 years ago.

BIG NOTHINGBURGER

[Anonymous No.12116343]

>>12116292
>travel faster than the speed your information travels
You could literally travel FTL, point a telescope at your previous position, and watch yourself in the past

[Anonymous No.12116358]

>>12116281
I once made a thread on /pol/ that said something to the effect that the smartest board on 4chan, /sci/, had scientifically concluded that /pol/ is the most retarded board and some of them said they didn't know /sci/ existed and will post redpills on there. It seems like I actually led /pol/tards here.

[Anonymous No.12116364]

>>12116331
>the russians makes a buttload of mistakes when they sent those probes 60 years ago.
Unlikely. Bacteria with enough resistance to live in Venus (even just for a few hours, let alone evolve) cant be found by mistake in a soviet lab. They live in very specific places on earth

[Anonymous No.12116365]

>>12114329
There's Phosphine in Jupiter. Do you think there's life on Jupiter as well?

[Anonymous No.12116392]

Post YFW the jigglin' starts commencin'

[Anonymous No.12116395]

>>12116365

[Anonymous No.12116403]

>>12116271
why does that mean its impossible? with dense enough energy concentrations its probably possible to fuck this bad boy up

[Anonymous No.12116411]

>>12114329
They've probably known about this for a long time. They're just telling us now to get us used to the idea of life on other planets. It's so when the DOD tells us more about how alien spacecraft visit us, it'll soften the news.

[Anonymous No.12116413]

>>12116395
Lol sure good luck convincing anyone there’s life in both Venus and Jupiter because there might be phosphine there

[Anonymous No.12116420]

>>12116411

[Anonymous No.12116421]

>>12116411

This was my first thought too. IT is happening.

[Anonymous No.12116422]

>>12116365
Jupeter's phosphine matches the expected amount generated by its chemistry.
Venus ones are out of the wack, according to the paper.

[Anonymous No.12116424]

>>12114329
why are scientists so fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.12116430]

>>12116365
Different set of chemistry for a very different non-terrestrial world. The entire point is Phosphine is extremely difficult to make abiotically on terrestrial planets. Hence it's a high degree of certainty that it was made biotically, by life as a by-product of metabolizing Phosphorus

[Anonymous No.12116431]

>>12116413
I was joking, but i have more hopes for life in one of Jupiter moons than in Venus.

[Anonymous No.12116434]

>>12116424
Please do enlighten us all with your superior wit anon, the world waits on tenterhooks for your next extollation of wisdom.

[Anonymous No.12116442]

>>12115966
>like that time with the black holes
It turned out that white guy's commit lines were mostly models and binaries, not code. Not saying that what he did wasn't important, but it's silly to say he's the reason they got the pic.

[Anonymous No.12116447]

>>12116062
>I am literally crying right now.
I'm sorry but I started laughing.

[Anonymous No.12116462]

>>12116358
why the fuck would you do this

[Anonymous No.12116470]

>>12114329
ALIEN LABS ON VENUS FUCKING CONFIRMED!!

[Anonymous No.12116475]

"What is curious about Venus’ clouds – other than that they are unlike anything on Earth – is that in those clouds are mysterious dark patches, dubbed “unknown absorbers” by scientists as the tiny particles that make up the patches soak up most of the ultraviolet and some of the visible light from the sun and thus affect the planet’s albedo and energy budget.

The patches were first observed by ground-based telescopes more than a century ago. They ebb and flow over time, changing their distributions and contrasts.

“The particles that make up the dark splotches, have been suggested to be ferric chloride, allotropes of sulfur, disulfur dioxide and so on, but none of these, so far, are able to satisfactorily explain their formation and absorption properties,” explains Yeon Joo Lee, the senior author of the new report.

On the other hand, Limaye notes observations that the particles are about the same size and have the same light-absorbing properties as microorganisms found in Earth’s atmosphere, and scientists, beginning with the noted biophysicist Harold Morowitz and astronomer Carl Sagan, have long speculated about the possibility that the shadowy patches in the clouds of Venus are, in fact, microscopic life." https://news.wisc.edu/mysterious-cloud-absorbers-seen-to-dri......

WE ARE NOT ALONE

[Anonymous No.12116477]

>>12116358
I hope you step barefoot on 1 lego for every /pol/tard you led here

[Anonymous No.12116481]

>>12116062
bro if the great filter isn't forming the start of sentience and developing tech what the fuck would it be? Space travel? That's literally a matter of time at this point (just waiting for people to finally accept nuclear power mostly)

[Anonymous No.12116482]

>>12116475
Please be true

[Anonymous No.12116483]

>>12116481
I think it's multicellular/eukaryotic-analogous life. That's a whole level of complexity above prokaryotes.

[Anonymous No.12116487]

>>12116358
They've been raiding /lit/ too recently. I dont even know why, most of us are far more interested in preservation of the classics and philopsophy of western civilization than they are. It wouldn't suprise me if we were whiter and more Christian than them on average either.

[Anonymous No.12116489]

The great filter is capitalism.

[Anonymous No.12116514]

>>12116422
? I thought phosphine was either artificial or natural due to microbial life. So the news are a complete nothingburger then?

[Anonymous No.12116525]

>>12116514
blame bad science journalism. phosphine is really really hard to make and there is waaaaay more on venus than we would expect, and venus has weird clouds we have never figured out.

[Anonymous No.12116531]

>>12116483
I thought the great filter was in reference to creatures turning into space faring civilizations. I suppose there's several significant milestones to that, at least to what humans experienced.

[Anonymous No.12116532]

>>12116481
it's runaway climate change combined with the inability to just stop fucking

[Anonymous No.12116555]

>>12116514
>So the news are a complete nothingburger then?
No. According to the paper, Venus have far more phosphine than it should have, which implies biological activity there.

[Anonymous No.12116556]

>>12116422
Do you have a copy of the paper saved?

[Anonymous No.12116560]

>>12116532
Strikes me as very human-centric desu. A Great Filter would be something all alien life would experience; like the formation of a genetic storage molecule, or the development of multicellular life, etc.

[Anonymous No.12116570]

>>12115360
What about volcanism?

[Anonymous No.12116571]

>>12116556
Not the paper, just some of the content and the reaction to it, since the whole thing is not intended to be revealed today.
https://archive.is/L7MT1

[Anonymous No.12116572]

>>12115945
did they publish data that rules it out though?

[Anonymous No.12116579]

>>12116570
Volcanism doesn't produce any notable amount of Phosphene on Earth so it's reasonable to assume it isn't that. Additionally, the levels fluctuate and are concentrated in the "habitable zone" of the atmosphere where life has been theorized to be able to survive.

[Anonymous No.12116587]

>>12116514
No. Look up the other papers related to phosphine as a signature for life. They've been posted in the threads. The abiotic processes cant account for detectable concentrations in other terrestrial planets

[Anonymous No.12116599]

You have to understand that Jupiter makes venus look tame-its internal regions involve insane levels of pressure and heat.

"The temperature and pressure inside Jupiter increase steadily inward, due to the Kelvin–Helmholtz mechanism. At the pressure level of 10 bars (1 MPa), the temperature is around 340 K (67 °C; 152 °F). At the phase transition region where hydrogen—heated beyond its critical point—becomes metallic, it is calculated the temperature is 10,000 K (9,700 °C; 17,500 °F) and the pressure is 200 GPa. The temperature at the core boundary is estimated to be 36,000 K (35,700 °C; 64,300 °F) and the interior pressure is roughly 3,000–4,500 GPa."

This is the kind of wild shit you need to generate even a bit of phosphine without life.

[Anonymous No.12116603]

>mfw aliens show up and they talk about how we were leftover experiments just to see what happened if you altered primapes

[Anonymous No.12116612]

MFW someone posted this on /pol/ and within seconds it's swarmed with flat-earthers

[Anonymous No.12116618]

>>12116612
I can't decide which board is worse these days, /x/ or /pol/. It seems /pol/ is /x/ but even worse now. /x/ still had many posters that are ironic, /pol/ is full schizo retards.

[Anonymous No.12116621]

>>12115809
reddit moment

[Anonymous No.12116627]

>>12116618
/x/ is cool for spooky stories/horror content, but too many /x/philes actually believe that the stuff on /x/ is real. /pol/ is a cancer.

[Anonymous No.12116628]

>>12114481
kek

[Anonymous No.12116629]

>>12116487
/lit/ was a leftie echo chamber for years and years, now it's just a different flavour.

[Anonymous No.12116632]

>>12116618
Honestly /pol/ feels like the lines between irony, satire and sincerity have been completely intertwined into one hideous amalgam of autism.
Everyone is a glowie, everyone is a jew, everyone is a commie. They've spent so long having ridiculous over the top arguments for memes sakes they've actually begun to believe in it. The glowies that do visit /pol/ probably have to do so in shifts for their own sanity.

[Anonymous No.12116640]

>>12116358
Then you should be sent to Venus and conduct experiments for us. Sorry anon, you brought this on yourself.

[Anonymous No.12116649]

>>12114329
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines

No, or you wouldn't have posed it as a question.

[Anonymous No.12116657]

>>12116365
Jupiter isn’t a rocky planet. It’s theoretically impossible for a rocky planet to have any detectable amounts

[Anonymous No.12116660]

>>12116411
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.12116661]

>half the thread is complaining about /pol/
Can we talk about aliens instead? Will this kickstart interest in space and space exploration? Or will the general populace forever not care?

[Anonymous No.12116663]

>>12116487
>>12116358
Go back please.

[Anonymous No.12116664]

>>12116411
lol probally

[Anonymous No.12116670]

>>12115517
>We are fucked. Loop up Fermi Paradox / Great Filter.
Excuse me for being a brainlet, but how would we be fucked exactly?
Wouldn't finding bacteria moreso mean that the fact that bacteria likely being abundant on planets while humans are seemingly one of a kind mean that humankind was just extremely lucky and managed to avoid the filter?

[Anonymous No.12116671]

>>12115517
Great filter theory is retarded and not some prophecy that we will die. Holy fuck it's the stupidest shit I've ever heard.

[Anonymous No.12116678]

>>12116331
people should be very intrested in exobiology. Imagine capturing one of those for study, who knows what genes it could have. The enzyme for PCR was discovered in an archea extremeophile and it revolutionized molecular biology and by extension medicine

[Anonymous No.12116679]

>The lower cloud layer of Venus (47.5–50.5km) is an exceptional target for exploration due to the favorable conditions for microbial life, including moderate temperatures and pressures (∼60°C and 1atm), and the presence of micron-sized sulfuric acid aerosols. Nearly a century after the ultraviolet (UV) contrasts of Venus' cloud layer were discovered with Earth-based photographs, the substances and mechanisms responsible for the changes in Venus' contrasts and albedo are still unknown. While current models include sulfur dioxide and iron chloride as the UV absorbers, the temporal and spatial changes in contrasts, and albedo, between 330 and 500nm, remain to be fully explained.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/ast.2017.1783

I am hyped now.

[Anonymous No.12116681]

>>12116670
It implies that life is common, ergo the "filter" is not life coming into existence in the firstplace but some later development such as multicellular life, intelligence, nuclear weapons. You get the picture.
Theoretically it implies we're now considerably more likely to go extinct as we may not have reached the filter yet.

[Anonymous No.12116686]

>>12116649
Read the articles. Phosphine was confirmed.

[Anonymous No.12116690]

>>12116679
This. It's not one suggestive thing, it's two of them. This is really good circumstantial evidence.


We need an atmoshperic probe ASAP.

[Anonymous No.12116699]

>>12116679
I think the Albedo fluctuation and presence of Phosphine all but confirm it to be life. It may even be multicellular, great mats of colonial organisms floating in the Venusian atmosphere would explain the unidentified areas of greater UV absorption.

[Anonymous No.12116708]

>>12116618
What difference does it make that some people thikn the earth is flat? Are you scared they could have gone on to be the next Carl Sagan had they not believed it? These are people who work non STEM jobs anyway. I see it more as the metric / imperial thing. It doesn't matter if the average person in America measures in feet because anyone who needs a more accurate measurement would use metric anyway.

[Anonymous No.12116711]

>>12116681
>but some later development such as multicellular life, intelligence
That's my point though. I don't understand what there is to worry about if we find bacteria because it seems like that would imply the going from unicellular to multicellular life is the filter here. Wouldn't this discovery just prove that there's likely bacteria all over the universe, but Earth is the only one to pull evolution off?
I just don't see any reason to worry about this unless we find some sort of proof of a former civilization greater than or equal to ours that went extinct.

[Anonymous No.12116716]

>>12116618
The sad part is /pol/ is right about a few things like liberals/blacks being dumb but they themselves aren’t much better.

[Anonymous No.12116722]

the great filter is CLEARLY multicellular life. IT took AGES for life to get to that point on earth-perfectly reasonable that evolution on most worlds never bothers to go above little swarming critters no more complex than bacteria.

[Anonymous No.12116724]

Why where the soviets so obsessed with Venus , They send scores of probes , who much did all that cost for what ?

[Anonymous No.12116727]

>tfw a diversity hire is mainly responsible for answering the millenia-long question about extraterrestial life
KEK

[Anonymous No.12116730]

>>12116708
Because mass delusion is fucking dangerous and degenerate anon. These people are not content to keep their hare-brained ideas to themselves. They constantly try to prove science wrong (and fail miserably) and even go as far as to suggest flat earth "hypotheses" should be taught in schools as a counter to the currently accepted (and correct) model similarly to how (usually the same people, incidentally) suggest Creationism is taught to counter evolution in public education.

It's a travesty that's demonstrably false and any notion of it should be cast out of our collective psyche as a species. This isn't an non-quantifiable subject like Religion which is down to choice; this is irrefutable scientific fact and is demonstrable. It's the height of ignorance, willful ignorance

[Anonymous No.12116732]

>>12114329
I'm not entirely convinced because it would be really fucking strange for bacteria similar to those found on Earth to also be found on Venus
I look forward to the explanation but frankly I think that it'll be a wacky new chemical process rather than microbes just vibin

[Anonymous No.12116733]

>>12116724
It's the most earth like planet in the system. Provided you could stay afloat there's no reason why you couldn't survive in/above Venus clouds.

[Anonymous No.12116736]

>>12116727
She is not a diversity hire anon. I won't deny that kind of thing can happen,but her work is very very good. She was a merit hire.

[Anonymous No.12116739]

>>12114921
>3) phosphorus trioxide reacts with water in upper atmosphere, forming phosphorous acid
There's very little water on Venus.

[Anonymous No.12116743]

>>12116736
Shhh, let me laugh at /pol/tards.

[Anonymous No.12116744]

Space probe Venera on the venus surface (artist recreation).

[Anonymous No.12116750]

>>12116732
these potential bacteria are almost entirely alien to life on earth-they live waterless existences being buffeted around clouds of acid. the fact they make phosphine is about all they have in common with some forms of earth life.

[Anonymous No.12116751]

>>12116732
Perhaps not, we may be distantly related through the process of Panspermia. Though that's pure conjecture, the 3 inner rocky worlds could have exchanged microorganisms quite early on when both Venus and Mars were much more appealing places for life to either evolve on originally or land on and thrive.

[Anonymous No.12116756]

>>12116730
That's going to happen regardless of the subject. Just look at the trannies. The solution would not be to tell them to stop thinking it, they probably have some emotional conviction for beliving it, but rather find a way to make them thinking it not be of any serious consequence.

[Anonymous No.12116759]

>>12116744
>venus
>rain on surface
It really is an artist's recreation. A shitty one.

[Anonymous No.12116760]

>>12115511
>if there is bacterial life on Venus somehow, what implications does it have?
Venus science is about to get alot more funding and xenobiology will become a real science.

[Anonymous No.12116763]

>>12115511
Knowing we aren’t alone in the universe you faggot

[Anonymous No.12116765]

So what do you expect from the conference tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.12116766]

>>12116732
>I think that it'll be a wacky new chemical process rather than microbes just vibin

That could happen in the end, but even now on a logical sense, do you fill the gap with a known chemical process (life) or with some X obscure shit that MUST be happening because we cant even begin to consider that sometimes life will be the best explanation posible?

[Anonymous No.12116768]

>>12116732
>it would be really fucking strange for bacteria similar to those found on Earth to also be found on Venus
Actually quite easy

[Anonymous No.12116772]

>>12115511
One implication is that the stupid meme about cloud cities will end

[Anonymous No.12116775]

>>12114866
It's time to go back. To venus.

[Anonymous No.12116777]

>>12116772
if the life has a different chirality to its genetic material then we're fine to have research outposts since it will have no compatibility with our biology.

Also water is probably a deadly poison to these creatures. I think we are fine.

[Anonymous No.12116778]

>>12116766
I believe it's generally accepted that for it to be taken seriously as a possible contender for life literally any and every other possibility must be discounted beforehand due to the gravity of the possibility.
It's like a reverse Occam's Razor. The simplest answer may indeed be life, but it's of such importance that it'd be foolish to assume so without irrefutable evidence. At least for the first example of extraterrestrial life; subsequent discoveries may be less stringent about it because finding one example (especially in as hostile an environment as fucking Venus) lends credence to life's abundance.

[Anonymous No.12116783]

>>12116765
masks , social distancing , qt sign language girl,
ambiguity , disclaimers, anti-climactic.

[Anonymous No.12116784]

>>12115511
>life is common and easy to find if we know how to look at it
>the techniques used to single out phosphine as a reliable biosignature can be applied to hundred of others molecules suspected of being biosignatures as well, increasing our changes of finding more life elsewhere
>depending on its genetical code, we could find if the bacteria in venus and our own have a common ancestor (which could give new fuel to the panspermia theory of life) or if they operate in a new original way not found on earth, which it could be even bigger

[Anonymous No.12116785]

>>12116766
>do you fill the gap with a known chemical process (life) or with some X obscure shit that MUST be happening because we cant even begin to consider that sometimes life will be the best explanation posible?
Considering how life is such a rarity, I'd go with the latter until proven otherwise. I'd love to be wrong but extraterrestrial life would likely be a bombshell larger than pretty much any other scientific discovery made in my lifetime

[Anonymous No.12116786]

>>12116732
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993Metic..28Q.398M/abstract

Venus ejecta is mostly reaccreted by Venus, but a significant fraction (about 30%) falls on the Earth with a median transit time of 12 m.y. Of the remainder, a few percent strike Mars and a larger fraction (about 20%) are ejected from the solar system by Jupiter. Earth ejecta is also mainly reaccreted by the Earth, but about 30% strike Venus within 15 m.y. and 5% strike Mars within 150 m.y. Again, about 20% of Earth ejecta is thrown out of the solar system by Jupiter. Mars ejecta is more equitably distributed: Nearly equal fractions fall on Earth and Venus, slightly more are accreted to Mars, and a few percent strike Mercury. About 20% of Mars ejecta is thrown out of the solar system by Jupiter. The larger terrestrial planets, Venus and Earth, thus readily exchange ejecta. Mars ejecta largely falls on Venus and Earth, but Mars only receives a small fraction of their ejecta. A substantial fraction of ejecta from all the terrestrial planets (except Mercury) is thrown out of the solar system by Jupiter, a fact that may have some implications for the panspermia mechanism of spreading life through the galaxy.

[Anonymous No.12116788]

>>12116778
One issue is that it's not JUSt phosphine-Venus also has had seasonal changes in cloud albedo from a unknown highly UV absorbing substance. If you add that in, life makes even more sense.

[Anonymous No.12116794]

>>12116785
>Considering how life is such a rarity

We dont know if this is the case tho.

[Anonymous No.12116795]

>>12116778
>every other possibility must be discounted beforehand due to the gravity of the possibility.
True, but even NASA scientists do somewhat unofficially admit that we probably have seen fossils of bacterial mats on Mars, you just need boots on the ground to confirm this

[Anonymous No.12116796]

Musk better adapt to more Venus shenanigans too because Starship has been made with Mars as a goal since its inception.

[Anonymous No.12116797]

>>12116788
Oh no I fully agree anon. I think the evidence boarders on Overwhelming desu. As I said before, it could even be simple multicellular colonial organisms similar to siphonophores maintaining altitude in the habitable zone of the atmosphere through metabolizing Phosphorus.

[Anonymous No.12116798]

>>12116778
The team working on the discovery ruled out every single possible known non-biological process able to produce phosphine in a rocky planet. Their conclusion is literally "or there are chem labs in venus, or it's life".

[Anonymous No.12116803]

No sticky? I bet we won't get a sticky even if we find evidence for other universes. Not even when we get the ability to go to them. By the way, dark matter is gravitational force exerted by matter from neighboring universes.

[Anonymous No.12116805]

>>12116794
Fair enough

[Anonymous No.12116809]

>>12116785
>how life is such a rarity
If Venus has life, then life could be common as fuck in the Universe. It would be the biggest discovery in this century, maybe the biggest in human history.

[Anonymous No.12116810]

>>12116803
By Allah, sticky it when it's confirmed and not before. Do you know nothing of the scientific process? I will beat you with 30 shoes for your insolence

[Anonymous No.12116813]

>>12116803
I think mods are being cautious and are waiting for the actual press conference. We aren't supposed to know about this yet, but some news outlets bypassed the news embargo.

[Anonymous No.12116815]

>>12116809
No one ever questioned simple lifeforms existing it's always been a question of lifeforms analogous to humanity.

[Anonymous No.12116819]

>>12116815
>hurr if they aren't ayys it's a nothingburger
Thanks for you meaningless contribution.

[Anonymous No.12116825]

>>12116783
I think this is one of those extremely rare occasions that they might not be ambiguous at all Anon. All signs point to life, more so than any fucking radio signal or visitation a meth-head had when he was trying to fuck a raccoon in the woods. They may come out and say they're 99% sure.

[Anonymous No.12116831]

>>12115872
>>12115873
video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBDyp06qp1U

[Anonymous No.12116834]

>>12116825
Until they get a sample it won't be accepted as proof. Hopefully the worry about contamination will make a lunar base for research happen.

[Anonymous No.12116836]

>>12115816
Andromeda Strain? Funnily enough it's also about an alien microbe that lives in the atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.12116846]

>>12115681
>>12115666
>>12115631
not the other guy but you're a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.12116865]

>>12116489
cultural marxism is the great filter

[Anonymous No.12116884]

>>12114329
Now know more about Venus’ history. It used to be ape mode and have a retarded amount of the phosphine precursors which have reacted and are now phosphine clouds

Unless these clouds have been growing you know this is the truth

[Anonymous No.12116898]

>>12116884
phosphine gets broken down by UV real fast though, there has to be something continually producing it for detectable amounts to be present
and all the likely scenarios for producing it take place at the surface, which is a problem because the lower atmosphere doesn't mix very much with the upper layers and even if you had a strong source down there it would be hard to get it into the upper atmosphere where it was detected

[Anonymous No.12116918]

>>12116765
There better be damn good commentary from scientists familiar with Venus and phosphine. I'm so sick having to read comment sections filled with people who don't know anything.

[Anonymous No.12116938]

>>12116834
how dumb-venusian life would find earth incredibly inhospitable.

[Anonymous No.12116954]

>>12116898
Can I see a resource for the UV stability of phosphine? Cause I can’t find one
I wouldn’t exactly be surprised if the Venus atmosphere is turbulent enough to “lift” the phosphine to the upper atmosphere though since it would be more likely to form close to the surface (as far as I know), but again I don’t know much about this

[Anonymous No.12116955]

>>12114346
Yeah I'm sure there's plenty of elemental phosphorous lying around on Venus

[Anonymous No.12116957]

>you are now realizing that you're witnessing the most profound moment in human history inbetween cartoon porn fap sessions

[Anonymous No.12116958]

>>12116954
https://sci-hub.st/10.1089/ast.2018.1954
section 2.3 talks about it

[Anonymous No.12116962]

We should come up with computer models to help prove/disprove this.

[Anonymous No.12116968]

>>12116957
Sounds based to me

[Anonymous No.12116973]

>>12114329
>bosbine, a bery stingky gas :DDDD

[Anonymous No.12116974]

>>12116962
These computational models are the ones saying phospine can only be produced by biological processes in rocky planets. The other known natural process is only possible in gas giants.

[Anonymous No.12117073]

>>12115945
Researchers goof up all the time. Why would you assume they're infallible?

[Anonymous No.12117081]

>>12115853
Please

[Anonymous No.12117084]

>>12117073
No one's saying they're infallible, but past research explains that exact reaction is not enough for detectable quantities in another terrestrial planet

[Anonymous No.12117088]

>>12116775
Imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.12117090]

>>12116918
This desu.

[Anonymous No.12117105]

>>12117084
how is this more real than the mars mushrooms? it's all just conjecture

[Anonymous No.12117122]

>>12117105
Phosphine and seasonal unexplained clouds together are a damn sight more than conjecture.

This is worth serious additional investigation.

[Anonymous No.12117124]

>>12117105
>how is this more real than the mars mushrooms?
Read the thread, fagoot

[Anonymous No.12117127]

>>12114329
It'll turn out that they overlooked a formation pathway that applies on Venus but not Earth.
>phosphine is formed abiotically on Jupiter and Saturn because it's so hot and dense there
>but not on Earth because it's too comfy here
>Venus is very hot and dense
>But let's disregard the Jovian formation pathways because reasons

[Anonymous No.12117134]

>>12117127
Anon,tell us the details of how Jupiter forms phosphine please.

[Anonymous No.12117142]

>>12117122
>>12117124
but can we know for sure that it is life before we send another probe?

[Anonymous No.12117146]

Just posting to say I was here.

[Anonymous No.12117149]

>>12117142
>but can we know for sure that it is life before we send another probe?
Not really. For full confirmation we will probably need more than one probe. The exciting thing in this case is that life is the best explanation we have right now.

[Anonymous No.12117151]

Can a Venetian corona kill us for sure?

[Anonymous No.12117153]

>>12117127
the gas giant pathway requires abundant H2 in addition to the temperatures and pressures, venus does not have that

[Anonymous No.12117154]

jesus fuck
some volcano blew out a shit ton of uncommon elements/chemicals, made more then expected of whatever the fuck they're seeing, and they want to attribute it to life because they want attention?

[Anonymous No.12117155]

>>12117134
abiotically (via inorganic chemistry)

[Anonymous No.12117159]

Their paper from last year about bacterial phosphine on Venus https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.05224
pdf: https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1910/1910.05224.pdf

>A long-term goal of exoplanet studies is the identification and detection of biosignature gases.
>Here we evaluate phosphine (PH3).
>On Earth, PH3 is associated with anaerobic ecosystems, and as such is a potential biosignature gas on anoxic exoplanets.
>If detected, PH3 is a promising biosignature gas, as it has no known abiotic false positives on terrestrial planets that could generate the high fluxes required for detection. PH3 also has 3 strong spectral features such that in any atmosphere scenario 1 of the 3 will be unique compared to other dominant spectroscopic molecules. PH3's weakness as a biosignature gas is its high reactivity, requiring high outgassing for detectability.

[Anonymous No.12117162]

>>12117134
Here's a good paper:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0019103509001328
Turns out that your mom releases it through her fat fucking brapper, which forms the core of Jupiter.
It's unknown whose mom forms the core of Saturn.

[Anonymous No.12117164]

>>12117159
bacterial = microbial*

[Anonymous No.12117167]

>>12117159
https://sci-hub.st/10.1089/ast.2018.1954
same paper, but nicer formatting on the published version
now if you guys could just spend at least 30 seconds reading things before you post your hot takes I would appreciate it

[Anonymous No.12117171]

>>12116091
>6 million

No ashes, no bodies, no evidence of gas chambers

[Anonymous No.12117172]

https://www.astrobio.net/venus/dark-streaks-venus-clouds-microbial-life/

"Earlier Venera missions detected elongated particles in the lower cloud layer that are about a micron long, about the width of a small bacterium."

[Anonymous No.12117176]

>>12117172
This finding is the cherry on top of over 50 years of very telling evidence that was largely ignored.

[Anonymous No.12117178]

>>12117159
In the discussion at the end it says that near future telescopes would have trouble distinguishing phosphine from other chemicals because it shares a spectral similarity with other molecules like water and methane. Luckily for us Venus has very little of both.

[Anonymous No.12117183]

>>12116062
The great filter is multicellular life

A mitochondria and prokaryote fusing dbz style is insane and shouldn’t have happened, but it did

[Anonymous No.12117187]

>>12117176
Sagan postulated life in the clouds of Venus too. God damn I want a mission NOW

[Anonymous No.12117189]

>>12117187
>>12117176
why did the mars mafia prevent us from looking at venus for so long? what is their endgame?

[Anonymous No.12117190]

>>12117187
Elon musk here. I am working on it right now. Next monday we will know for sure.

[Anonymous No.12117192]

>>12117190
thanks daddy

[Anonymous No.12117193]

>>12117189
probably because it was the least expected place to find life

[Anonymous No.12117196]

>>12116062
The Filter is Jews

[Anonymous No.12117204]

>>12117196
kek

[Anonymous No.12117217]

>>12114329
Imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.12117220]

>>12117187
He also suggested GMOs as a method of terraforming venus which was later discounted due to the environment considered being too hostile for life, if there is life there it will have implications for future terraforming.

[Anonymous No.12117281]

>>12117183
now thats a unique take

[Anonymous No.12117284]

>>12114329
Marsfags BTFO

[Anonymous No.12117287]

the blackpill is that there isn't a singular Great Filter - every single step is a Great Filter in and of itself.

[Anonymous No.12117304]

>>12114329
>phosphine, a very stinky gas.
LITERALLY ALIEN BRAAPS OOOOOOOOOHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.12117330]

>>12116411
>how alien spacecraft visit us
>alien spacecraft
>alien
that's the problem I had with your sentence. these are artifacts unearthed from archeological digs. probably remnants from past civilizations. remember: humans have been around much much longer than traditional science would have you believe.

[Anonymous No.12117410]

>>12116679

Exciting regardless to be sure--but my next question (If we confirm) that it's life is--does it have DNA/RNA.

If so, it's still one of the most amazing discoveries ever made--however it's a letter 'less' amazing. That means either Venus seeded us or we seeded Venus.

Now if it doesn't share any DNA/RNA with our organisms--now we have two planets, in one solar system, that spontaneously spun up life.

That means the Universe could in theory, be brimming with life in every corner.

It could also mean our solar system is very very unique and rare...but it would be much harder to make that argument if it's a unique life form.

[Anonymous No.12117422]

>>12114329
sticky when

[Anonymous No.12117443]

>>12117410
>Exciting regardless to be sure--but my next question (If we confirm) that it's life is--does it have DNA/RNA.
>If so, it's still one of the most amazing discoveries ever made--however it's a letter 'less' amazing. That means either Venus seeded us or we seeded Venus.

I agree. This will be a very long debate if we can ever confirm that there is life on venus. Not even DNA/RNA will solve it easly because we dont know for sure that life on earth started with those molecules. It well could be that Life on earth and Venus branched before the acquisition of the genetic information molecules we know. It will be an interesting shitfest .

[Anonymous No.12117459]

>>12114329
bump

[Anonymous No.12117530]

>>12117459
bruh... it’s autosaging

[Anonymous No.12117692]

How do we know they aren't just evolved from ejecta from Earth from a long time ago?

Also, how long would it take to send a probe there to sample the atmosphere and find out?

[Anonymous No.12117709]

>>12117692
>How do we know they aren't just evolved from ejecta from Earth from a long time ago?
we don't, but given the requirements for biochemistry there they are probably going to be radically different even if we have a common origin
maybe a couple years for some cheap quick probes, probably a decade for proper sampling

[Anonymous No.12117717]

fucking release the paper already fucking shits fucking RELEASE IT AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.12117736]

>>12116786
So the alien bugs in Starship Troopers who (allegedly) bombarded other planets with their babbies... That's us?

[Anonymous No.12117935]

>>12116062
Literally what the fuck are you talking about? Why does life on Venus mean out doom?

[Anonymous No.12117955]

>>12117935
It's a possible solution to the Fermi paradox. Basically, if life is common, then life that attains civilization should be common too. But we do not detect any sign of it yet, so there might be something that stops civilization from expanding in space or even remaining at high tech level, a great filter, an event which could destroy all high tech civs before they reach space. It might be something like climate change or a constrain on resources imho.

[Anonymous No.12117979]

>>12116403
because general relativity works

[Anonymous No.12117996]

>>12117162
kek

[Anonymous No.12118030]

>>12116300
This, about tools. Crows can use tools but they are evolutionary dead end with flying specialisation. 5heir skull cant fit big brain, without loosing energy for a flightm. Species using tools need to be not very specialised, have potential to evolve and a lot of time. Its a miracle we survived the ice age.

[Anonymous No.12118032]

>>12117955
>so there might be something that stops civilization from expanding in space or even remaining at high tech level
What if it is the ~100 bars of pressure and 500C on the surface, making carbon-based life possible only in the clouds?

[Anonymous No.12118100]

Does anyone know when the press release will be and can you watch it as non press?

[Anonymous No.12118105]

>>12117955
>But we do not detect any sign of it yet, so there might be something that stops civilization from expanding in space or even remaining at high tech level
the universe is huge and has physical limits like the speed of light so even if life is common it’s very hard to detect and almost impossible to interact with. Next?

[Anonymous No.12118127]

>>12118105
We could still detect radio emissions and the like, but we don't

[Anonymous No.12118132]

>>12118127
you underestimate how far away shit is. Any signal will become noise very quickly due to the 1/r^2 law.

[Anonymous No.12118142]

>>12115945
People from top research institutes are literally capable of making a mistake like this.

[Anonymous No.12118150]

>>12117196
This but kind of unironically. Nobody will look into the "All alien intelligent life either remains too primitive to go anywhere or will achieve space travel, but nearly all aliens intelligent enough to have or be near space travel will have Jew aliens that are willing to fuck over the entire infrastructure necessary for that space travel to occur" hypothesis because the ideological priors required to even test such a theory do not exist.

[Anonymous No.12118407]

>>12116062

Sorry bro, we're stuck in Sol forever.

[Anonymous No.12118712]

Allah chose Earth for life for a reason, not Venus. Fake news again, Come to me when you capture a monkey from Venus.

[Anonymous No.12118886]

>>12118127
As we get better we emit less and less signal into space.

[Anonymous No.12118955]

>Natureniggers still haven't released the paper

[Anonymous No.12118998]

>>12118407
>pennies for the hungry
She doesn't look hungry.

[Anonymous No.12119070]

>>12116062
Fuck the filter and fuck thought experiments that make people feel bad

The universe is teeming with life, there is no filter, only aliens who love us

[Anonymous No.12119212]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1u-jlf_Olo&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=RoyalAstronomicalSociety

[Anonymous No.12119357]

>>12115805
So pre-birth are important, but not pre-school?