/sfg/ - Space Flight General: Emperor Musk Edition

[Anonymous No.11996884]

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[Anonymous No.11996888]

First for propellant depots.

[Anonymous No.11996894]

>>11996888
Quiet, fool! You will anger the gods!

[Anonymous No.11996895]

>Boing

[Anonymous No.11996897]

>>11996888
Anon, the D-word! You mustn't utter it!

[Anonymous No.11996902]

>>11996888
WHO DARES TO BLASPHEME IN THIS AMERICAN SPACEFLIGHT THREAD?

[Anonymous No.11996906]

[Anonymous No.11996908]

How long until the next Columbia?

[Anonymous No.11996912]

>>11996906
looks like sn6 is the one to do multiple 150m hops

[Anonymous No.11996942]

Speedruns when?

[Anonymous No.11996951]

nice.

[Anonymous No.11996982]

>>11996906
>here's your new rocket, bro.

[Anonymous No.11997011]

If you magically swapped atmosphere of Mars and Venus would it make them habitable?

[Anonymous No.11997015]

>>11996942
what is a speedrun?

[Anonymous No.11997016]

SN5, the first to make it back to the build site

[Anonymous No.11997029]

>>11997011
No, Venus' atmosphere is basically an ocean's worth of CO2, with a bit of sulfur and other trace gasses, Mars's is just a thin vineer of an atmosphere also mostly CO2 and few trace gasses as well. Venus would still be way too hot even without it's super heavy atmosphere, Mars might be warmer thanks to the greenhosue effect but then you'd still have to deal with bottom-of-the-ocean crushing pressures at ground level. At least aerobraking would be easier I guess?
You're not going to get a habitable planet from an all-CO2 atmosphere unless you can introduce very large populations of oxygen producing bacterial colonies, oceans to trap and store that fixed CO2 and Methane in, and several hundreds of thousands of years of waiting.

[Anonymous No.11997034]

>>11997029
Venus with Mars atmosphere is would be cooler Earth.

[Anonymous No.11997041]

>>11997034
Would it? I guess near-zero insulation from an atmosphere could probably win out against being 30% closer to Sol. Still not workable for habitation with complex life, since then you're working with an atmosphere so rarefied it probably can't support anything more complex than slow-metabolism bacteria analogues.

[Anonymous No.11997065]

>>11996951
The tiles make me really nervous. Please tell me they will work

[Anonymous No.11997066]

N2O/Butane fuel blend powered homemade flying grain silos when?
It can be done, we have the technology

[Anonymous No.11997081]

>>11997015
It's a race where the competitors run like naruto

[Anonymous No.11997087]

>>11996884
was there any /sfg/ guide/charts/roadman created ever to start your own space mining company?
like where do one start?
Not the individual but asking for Financial Officer in my company.

[Anonymous No.11997110]

>>11997041
People from Venus could live on Earth tho.

[Anonymous No.11997128]

>>11997087
As in how to? A regular mining operation is your best bet
If you’re looking for where, Mars, Mercury asteroid belt and Io are very good places to find stuff

[Anonymous No.11997133]

>>11997065
Aren't mechanically attached heat tiles old technology?

[Anonymous No.11997149]

>there are people willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars for a game
>the cheapest space ticket is hundreds of thousands
When will space flight get whales to fund it?

[Anonymous No.11997171]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Xiq3dYJlM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw9TeBws_ds

Shame they didn't go anywhere.

[Anonymous No.11997176]

>>11997149
We will colonize Solar System before this game releases.

[Anonymous No.11997180]

>>11997133
Yes, but they have to be very easy to replace and repair. The heat tiles were one of the main problems of shuttle and caused it to fail in terms of reusability.

[Anonymous No.11997184]

>>11997149
>When will space flight get whales to fund it?
Who are Musk and Bezos?

[Anonymous No.11997207]

>>11997065
They will eventually. While I don’t know about this current iteration, SpaceX is great at solving problems. I variantes they’ll figure it out eventually if it doesn’t work now.

[Anonymous No.11997213]

>>11997184
Needs more than wealthiest people on planet.

[Anonymous No.11997228]

>>11997213
Ok, non-whales then. Sure

[Anonymous No.11997239]

>>11997207
It wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being quite different to what they're trialling now. They were unsentimental about ditching the carbon fibre tanks

[Anonymous No.11997245]

>>11997207
They might ditch them allthogether like reusabilty of Falon 9 2-stage, and Dragon propulsive landing.

[Anonymous No.11997263]

By simply looking up into the night sky our species has progressed and made gains over thousands of years that dwarf your small comment. Tell people like Ptolemy, Copernicus, Kepler, or Carl Sagan that their views are being taken. Newton, Hubble, Einstein, Galileo. Being able to look up and study, these people advanced us as a species. Of course there's also almost every cultures religion in history that looked up. These are the gains that may no longer be attainable by future "amatuer astronomers" that look up.

But people need their internet.

[Anonymous No.11997265]

>>11997171
Sad that tech like this gets developed and then bankrupted, bought by some big company and the tech is shelved forever

[Anonymous No.11997277]

>>11997263
Starlink wouldn't block the stars. Astronomers can still see the night sky just fine at night (not dusk nor dawn) when the satellites are in their proper orbits. Meanwhile, light pollution from growing cities have been the greater threat to astronomy, and yet there are no astronomers protesting against those.

[Anonymous No.11997279]

>>11997263
Dogshit tier bait

[Anonymous No.11997285]

>>11997277
Because those "astronomers" ARE city insects.

[Anonymous No.11997351]

>>11997263
Fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.11997356]

>>11997263
The future of astronomy is giant telescopes in space anyway.
Future generations will look back on land-based observation as laughably primitive

[Anonymous No.11997360]

>>11996902
Big depots keep on filling
Keep on filling 'em up for you!
Singing songs as they're launching
Into low orbit jus' for you.

Well I heard Mister Shelby's had a tantrum
I heard Mister Musk had to put him down
I hope they treat him nice at the old folks home
A southern man don't need him around no more

Sweet Home Alabama
Where they made outdated crap
Sweet Home Alabama
Lord we sure don't miss your scrap

[Anonymous No.11997374]

>>11997356
Satellite flares can be damaging to sky surveys and other observations and there is no reason to hinder the work of a whole field of science just because. The problem is already being fixed with the sun visors.
>>11997356
That's not practical at the moment

[Anonymous No.11997405]

>Essentially they're selling more shares, diluting the value of existing shares, and raising $460 million.
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1293199562539229185

oh no no no

[Anonymous No.11997412]

>>11997263
The problem is being fixed by satellites with sun visors. In a couple years all the non-sun visor satellites will be gone anyways.

[Anonymous No.11997414]

>government is still the biggest customer of launch providers
>sats continue to get smaller and cheaper and launch providers make less money than before because of this
>russian spysats are decrepit and cant see through cloud cover or at night
oh no no no

[Anonymous No.11997420]

>>11997414
>russian spysats are decrepit and cant see through cloud cover or at night
it is a great peril to underestimate your enemy, anon

[Anonymous No.11997431]

>>11997405
how to people not see that Virgin Galactic is a massive grift that is feeding on SpaceX's and BO's energy

[Anonymous No.11997440]

>>11997405
I wonder how they're burning so much money. SpaceShipTwo is already developed and I doubt paying their employees to do nothing all day costs 460 million.

[Anonymous No.11997448]

>one side of spaceship will be glimmering, shiny metal
>the other will be pitch black, covered in hexagonal tiles
Holy fucking kino. Why are there no good artist's renditions of this yet?

[Anonymous No.11997454]

>>11997448
Those tiles will be a huge problem for Starship if it doesn't outright kill the project.

[Anonymous No.11997459]

>>11997448
>visible spacing between tiles
YAMERO

[Anonymous No.11997461]

>>11997448
what's with the massive gaps between tiles

[Anonymous No.11997464]

>>11997454
They are significantly different from the ones used in the Shuttle:
>seem to be all identical hexagonal tiles
>don't need to isolate anywhere near as good as stainless steel can ake more heat than aluminium
>seem to be bolted, not glued
>different material

[Anonymous No.11997465]

>>11997459
>>11997461
holy crap calm down autists, they are still in very early stages of testing the TPS mounting, and stainless steel is a lot better at dealing with reentry then alumemium

[Anonymous No.11997469]

Would it have been possible /sfg/?

[Anonymous No.11997470]

>>11997454
Cool, a Boing shill that hasn't killed himself yet

[Anonymous No.11997472]

boca chica is looking amazing, it feels futuristic

[Anonymous No.11997474]

>>11997469
No. Even with today’s technology we wouldn’t have been able to build the first stage engine. We could’ve used a bunch of smaller F-1 size engines in its place though.

Starship still blows Sea Dragon out of the water due to reusability.

[Anonymous No.11997475]

>>11997263
If it was internet for internets sake i’d entirely agree with you but its naked and undisguised funding for SpaceX. Those amateur astronomers with their love of the stars may one day see, what, 60% 100% more by going up into space themselves without the sun, atmosphere or most of all constant fucking clouds to interrupt their view.

This argument is funniest here in the UK where clouds obscurethe nightsky 320 nights of the year and people who actively go out to see Starlink end up going home having seen nothing.

>Human progress has to be stunted so that i can leave my SLR on long exposure all night!!
Fuck astrophotographers. They can cry about future generations all they want meanwhile current kids think Long Exposure Astrophotography is a phone setting and flip out when they see finally Starlink.

[Anonymous No.11997479]

>>11997464
At reentry heating, the difference between aluminum and stainless steel is irrelevant. All it takes is a tile failure to kill your vehicle. Starship isn't reentering from LEO.

[Anonymous No.11997485]

>>11997470
>hurr I have worries about this thing I'm passionate about so that means I'm not part of the tribe

[Anonymous No.11997488]

>>11997479
>At reentry heating, the difference between aluminum and stainless steel is irrelevant.
lol no, and again, this is still a very early test of the TPS

[Anonymous No.11997497]

>>11997479
>>11997454
>Someone who isn't even an engineer criticizing tile design by the best spaceflight engineers on the planet.

Why are you like this? What happened to you as a child to make you such a stupid contrarian?

[Anonymous No.11997498]

>>11996906
>First thing that goes to mars is a grain silo
The farmers will be happy.

[Anonymous No.11997500]

>>11997498
wont look like one by the time they send one to mars though

[Anonymous No.11997505]

>>11997464
There's a reason why Elon didn't want tiles in the first place and wanted to use perspiration cooling. Starship can work as a whole but if the tiles are a problem then it's going to have significant delays.

[Anonymous No.11997512]

>>11997479
>At reentry heating, the difference between aluminum and stainless steel is irrelevant.
Nope, it's a huge difference in the temperatures behind the tiles one can target.
>>11997505
It isn't impossible to combine both.

[Anonymous No.11997515]

>>11997485
Is that supposed to even slightly resemble what you said in your first post? Don't be surprised when people give you shit for sounding exactly like a concern trolling anti-SpaceX youtube faggot

[Anonymous No.11997518]

>>11997497
Reentry isn't a joke, especially considering the fact Starship will be coming in from a Lunar or planetary reentry trajectories which are significantly more demanding then LEO and there were cracked tiles on SN5 after the hop.

[Anonymous No.11997532]

>>11997518
The tiles are currently just a low fidelity design. They will figure it out.

[Anonymous No.11997537]

>>11997518
Yeah but that's probably because they were trying out a wide range of sizes and mounting styles. The fact that one of those methods failed just means they'll use a different one

[Anonymous No.11997561]

>>11996884
I've been looking into Hard shell spacesuits for a bit, more specifically the work of Hubert Vykukal. His ax-2 and ax-3 spacesuit prototypes are very interesting, pic related is the ax-2.
So I was wondering if anyone here knew what exactly isn't viable about this suit, and whether or not those issues would be insurmountable.


Here are some more images of the suit:
https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/pressure-suit-ax-2/nasm_A20040264000
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/ax-2-hard-space-suit-with-vic-vykukal-russell-ames/TgHLbMmqj_cDlA
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/ax-2-hard-space-suit-with-vic-vykukal-getting-ready-to-pitch-a-baseball-russell-ames/zwHufc6W1ih0NA

[Anonymous No.11997569]

Is this a realistic payload for an expendable Starship/Superheavy stack? I used the inputs they gave on Wikipedia plus additional info on sea level Raptor’s vacuum ISP. I also assumed that the upper stage only has 6000 kn of thrust as it only uses the vacuum engines.

[Anonymous No.11997570]

Fun Fact:
If the Space Shuttle was made out of steel, it may not have needed any TPS tiles because the maximum temperature it saw was under the melting point and forging temperature of steel.

Fun Fact 2:
OP is a homosexual.

[Anonymous No.11997572]

>>11997569
Here are the values I input.

[Anonymous No.11997581]

Won't the tank contract when it's loaded with cryo? Meaning the gaps disappear?

[Anonymous No.11997582]

>>11997479
>Orbital reentry is impossible!

[Anonymous No.11997589]

>>11997454
Lets say hypothetically that starship full reusability is a complete failure, that still wouldn't be enough to kill the project. a cheap disposable heavy lift rocket would still be a big deal. Taking that a step further they could even potentially make it semi resusable by recovering the first stage engines, sorta like what ula has proposed with the vulcan rocket. You could still even make orbital refueling work, just launch a disposable tanker 2nd stage. You could probably even greatly reduce the amount of times it takes to refuel by going that route. Spacex could easily go this route while working out the issues of starship reuse.

[Anonymous No.11997597]

>>11997589
This. Starship is also cheap as fuck. The engines are $2 Million a piece and stainless steel is $3/kg according to Elon. If taken at face value, 37 raptor engines cost $74 Million and 300 ton dry mass adds up to $1 Million.

As far as it stands, Starship costs $75 million to build. The first stage is around $62 Million of that cost. If they fly it ten times, combined with the expendable second stage, Starship would have a marginal cost of $18.2 million.

No idea on reusability cost but SpaceX believes they could reuse the massive ITS first stage for $200,000, so even a reuse cost of $1 Million would mean Falcon 9 - Level Reuse leads to a $20 milllion dollar launcher that can put 100 tons into LEO. Not bad.

[Anonymous No.11997599]

>>11997569
Elon has stated around 300 tons reference payload for a expendable Starship. I would guess that a useful payload would be about 250 tons.

[Anonymous No.11997600]

>>11997518
You know that SpaceX's engineering philosophy is centered on iteration, right? Those tiles aren't the final version, and it is clear that SpaceX is working towards a solution. They've tested those kinds of tiles before and have shown that such tiles work. Right now it seems like they're figuring out the proper way to mount the tiles firmly without weakening them, which is definitely a fixable problem.

This is the company that worked out economically viable reusable rockets when NASA couldn't do that for the decades it had the Shuttle and subsequently gave up on the concept. They'll figure it out eventually.

[Anonymous No.11997605]

>>11997599
>useful payload
I mean a payload to a useful orbit.

[Anonymous No.11997606]

>>11997599
Could spaceship even fit so much.

[Anonymous No.11997608]

>>11997597
>The engines are $2 Million a piece
Source on this? I though that elon mentioned that they were under 1 million, with a goal of going even cheaper?

[Anonymous No.11997616]

>>11997472

That is because it is no longer a garbled mess of tents, scaffolding and thousands of cherry pickers. It has now actual buildings.

[Anonymous No.11997618]

>>11997448
Starship definitely isn't going to turn into shuttle 2.0, r-right guys haha

[Anonymous No.11997623]

>>11997597
What a heck, RD-180 made by Ivan costs 10mil$ per piece.

[Anonymous No.11997627]

>>11997532
>>11997537
>>11997600
I understand that, I just think you shouldn't be dismissive about such a crucial aspect of the project. In my humble opinion they should be doing parallel testing on Falcon launched test payloads for the Starship TPS.

[Anonymous No.11997628]

>>11997618
No, because SpaceX is willing to iterate on their vehicles quickly, unlike NASA who sat on the technology to upgrade the Shuttle for decades because Congress didn't give them the funding and they were afraid of rocking the boat.

[Anonymous No.11997633]

>>11997597
There should be electronics, avionics and testing included. Not counting life support. F-35 that only has one seat costs 79mil.

[Anonymous No.11997637]

>>11997627
>I understand that, I just think you shouldn't be dismissive about such a crucial aspect of the project.
Fair point, but Starship has yet to reach the point to where it can "properly" test the tiles.

>In my humble opinion they should be doing parallel testing on Falcon launched test payloads for the Starship TPS.
They are. They're just not talking about it as much as the other things that they're doing.

[Anonymous No.11997641]

>>11997606
Sure, if the objects are dense enough. Skylab was 77 tons and mostly filled with empty space. I think two of them would fit into Starship with plenty of room to spare.

[Anonymous No.11997651]

>>11997641
Would probably make second stage traditonal rocket with fairing instead of return vehicle.

[Anonymous No.11997684]

How much hydrogen does Starship need to fill its tanks? Just curious, because if SpaceX has a hard time mining ice, maybe they can use the Sabatier Process while brining all their hydrogen with them like in Mars Direct.

[Anonymous No.11997690]

>>11997684
Starship doesn't run on hydromeme.

[Anonymous No.11997695]

>>11997684
this
you would save a shitton of work if you would just bring the hydrogen with you. i really hope the actual mission will look a lot more like mars direct

[Anonymous No.11997697]

>>11997690
it relies on hydrogen to refuel since there is almost no methan on mars

[Anonymous No.11997703]

>>11997697
Do you have brain damage? It does not run on hydrogen and in-situ use of sabatier processors for extracting methane has been the plan since day 1 of the methane raptor.

[Anonymous No.11997705]

>>11997695
At that point you could probably have a fuel depot in mars orbit as well and save all that complicated equipment.

[Anonymous No.11997707]

>>11997065
hoping things work is oldspace

[Anonymous No.11997710]

>>11997684
>>11997695
Alright bro’s I did some math.

Elon said that Starship has 22% Methane 78% oxygen propellant. 22% of 1200 tons is 264 tons of methane. Methane is 25% hydrogen by weight, so 0.25 of 264 is 66.

There would be a need for 66 tons of Hydrogen to fully refuel Statship’s tanks. However Volume is definitely an issue and there’s no way 66 tons of hydrogen will fit in a si for Starship’s payload bay.

[Anonymous No.11997717]

>>11997703
>It does not run on hydrogen
In case you're not trolling, what do you think methane is composed of?

[Anonymous No.11997718]

>>11997710
damn guess starshit is debunked then

[Anonymous No.11997720]

>>11997710
As far as I know, the intention is to crack ice for hydrogen

[Anonymous No.11997724]

>>11997718
Just land two starships. 40 tons of LH2 is doable in the payload bay and it gives you more mass margin to fit an ISRU processor in each one + More supplies too.

[Anonymous No.11997727]

>>11997718
Your question is formulated like a complete retard.
The correct question is how much water ice do they require. And the answer is there's enough of it on Mars.
They're not going to extract hydrogen because they need oxidizer too, why add an extra step to the mining process when you already have a shitload of refining steps to go through?

[Anonymous No.11997729]

>>11997618
Superheavy landing itself back at its launch pad and being easily refurbished already makes it different. And even if Starship has to be made semi-disposable no doubt it will be possible to bring back the engines, plus they can use a crew Dragon to bring back people. Even the fallback options are in a different league to the shittle

[Anonymous No.11997731]

>>11997727
meant for >>11997717

[Anonymous No.11997734]

>>11997727
I simply was thinking about doing a mars direct approach of bringing your hydrogen with you. Mining the surface is going to be hard at least at first. What’s wrong with simplifying the process!

[Anonymous No.11997735]

>>11997459
>>11997461
All they're doing now is testing mounting techniques and maybe how well the tiles handle vibration/etc. The placement doesn't need to be super precise at this phase of testing.

[Anonymous No.11997737]

>>11997703
>not knowing how the sabatier process works
>calling other people stupid
i love the internet

[Anonymous No.11997740]

>>11997703
>it does not use hydrogen
>in situ use of sabatier
anon, i...

[Anonymous No.11997743]

>>11997737
>>11997740
I know how the process works. But when you're also in the need of oxidizer, you're not going to extract hydrogen from the fucking atmosphere or bring it with you. You're going to extract water ice and extract the hydrogen from there.

[Anonymous No.11997753]

>>11997743
Extracting water ice is really fucking complicated bro. You need a large rover that can mine the ice and separate of from the regolith. Also you’ll need to process hundreds of tons of ice which is not easy to do with an automated vehicle.

It’s way easier to just use a Sabatier ISRU. Sure you need to haul the hydrogen with you, but it is less complicated and can be done fully automated much easier.

[Anonymous No.11997757]

>>11997753
Yeah, just bring millions of extra ships with you, just bring U-hauls as well.
Hydrogen is a fucking bitch to store.

[Anonymous No.11997758]

>>11997561
Can I please get an answer to this?

[Anonymous No.11997768]

>>11997757
I’m talking about for the first few trips. Once there’s infrastructure then ice road truckers is viable on Mars but until then it’s probably too expensive.

Literally all you need are two starships with 33 tons of LH2 onboard. Once those land they can convert it into Methalox and store in their main tank. When men land on Mars they can hook up the two ships with the crewed one and refuel it from their tanks.

[Anonymous No.11997774]

>>11997768
They'll probably be dumping off stuff in various drop containers years in advance of the "first few trips".

[Anonymous No.11997778]

>>11997743
but the guy you were replying to was discussing a hypothetical situation where spacex had a hard time mining ice, so saying durr why dont you just mine it is missing the point, retard.

>but when you're also in need of oxidizer
you can extract oxygen from the atmosphere really easily, and plenty of mars mission architectures have discussed the idea of bringing hydrogen to mars, it's so light that it's not as punishing as bringing all your fuel there, and starship will have to be capable of bringing cryogenic fuel to mars in order to land anyway

[Anonymous No.11997779]

>>11997778
>it's so light
Yet so fucking unwieldy.

[Anonymous No.11997785]

>>11997753
>I’m unable to perform high school chemistry like extracting water from a mixture of water and dirt

Literally just heat it and collect the evaporated water with a condenser.

[Anonymous No.11997786]

>>11997779
Dude I’m telling you SpaceX isn’t going to mine the ice on their first few Mars trips. It’s too complicated without a crew to oversee it. They will have to mine literally thousands of tons of ice shits gonna be hard to do with just robots.

[Anonymous No.11997788]

>>11997561
>>11997758
looks too retarded, the future of spaceflight must be /aesthetic/

[Anonymous No.11997791]

SN8 NOSECONE, FINS, AND FLAPS CONFIRMED
IT'S HOPPENING

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1293250108436488194

[Anonymous No.11997794]

>>11997561
>So I was wondering if anyone here knew what exactly isn't viable about this suit,
No codpiece.

[Anonymous No.11997795]

>>11997791
Full pic of SN5+6.

[Anonymous No.11997798]

>>11997791
So SN6 is flying now? And they’re building SN7.1? Cool. How far are they on SN8?

[Anonymous No.11997804]

>>11997798
I think from the "SN7.1 will be" phrasing they're waiting to see how it does before building SN8.

[Anonymous No.11997817]

>>11997804
SN8 is already built, it just needs to be assembled

[Anonymous No.11997819]

>>11997786
All they need to do is land near something like this crator, and ice is easy to gather. They basically need to gather a cubic meter a day. Doable with a bulldozer or track hoe.

[Anonymous No.11997823]

>>11997819
Isn't that CO2 ice?

[Anonymous No.11997825]

>>11997817
Don't be ridiculous. Those are clearly parts for a water tower.

[Anonymous No.11997826]

>>11997823
CO2 and water.

[Anonymous No.11997827]

>>11997819
Literally just use a pickax

[Anonymous No.11997828]

>>11997823
no, its water ice, and the water deposit ice in pic related is 60 kilometers in diameter and 2 kilometers thick

[Anonymous No.11997846]

>>11997819
>>11997827
This, a cubic meter of ice a day is doable with a small team with hand tools.

[Anonymous No.11997851]

>>11997819
>cubic meter a day
Ice pick, shovel, and a wheelbarrow. That's not much ice a day.

[Anonymous No.11997852]

>>11997828
The stickler with these craters is they are near the poles, which have less solar energy. Underground ice deposits might exist closer to the equatorial regions, which have more solar energy for converting it into fuel.

[Anonymous No.11997857]

Why not just 3D print the methane on Mars? You could even bring the printing materials over to simplify things.

[Anonymous No.11997860]

>>11997857
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction

[Anonymous No.11997865]

Manned venus mission when

[Anonymous No.11997878]

>>11997865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHkWKp9e4Y

[Anonymous No.11997893]

>>11997865
Unironically, China will realize the race to the Mars will be futile for them, so they will instead launch astronauts in a cramped spacecraft on a flight around Venus to try and flex

[Anonymous No.11997911]

>>11997893
>China lands astronauts on Venus
>They all turn into orange chicken within a minute

[Anonymous No.11997922]

>>11997911
General Tso Chicken.
Now with lens cap flavoring.

[Anonymous No.11997955]

>>11997606
Well, when the next iteration of inflatable habitat gets built it could be a pretty dense package. They might be heavy enough to make a expendable starship a reasonable option.

[Anonymous No.11997982]

>>11997374
See, selfishness. Thats what motivates starlink whiners. Starlink could easily be part of making whole swarms of giant telescopes in space possible in 10-20 years, but greed and impatience make people blind to reality

[Anonymous No.11997985]

>>11997878
Not sure what the point is of having both the vehicle being the same design, but it certainly does look like a cool idea.

[Anonymous No.11997994]

>>11997982
>Oh no we have to stop doing everything because I need to see the stars which I can't fucking see from my light polluted city anyway!
I'll just file you in with "We can't go to space because we need to fix earth first" retards.
That's just like we need to stop using the internet because some people are illiterate or music needs to end because there are still deaf people.

Fuck your selfishness.

[Anonymous No.11997998]

>>11997735
but like, won't a tiles performance be different if it's pressed against other tiles on all sides vs heaving room to move

[Anonymous No.11998000]

>>11997878
Don't know why you would necessarily need the airship to be manned, but I mean why not lol. Also if you think starship is scary, I would say taking a nosedive into Hell from orbital velocity and praying your rocket-zeppelin deploys correctly would be even scarier

[Anonymous No.11998019]

>>11997998
None of these tiles are going to ever actually be heated. I'm sure they are testing things like thermal performance in labs and such.

[Anonymous No.11998020]

>>11997569
no, the upper stage also uses the sea level engines to get to orbit

[Anonymous No.11998021]

>Sea Dragon? Never heard of it

[Anonymous No.11998031]

>>11997852
>solar energy for a mars colony or mars base
not gonna happen

[Anonymous No.11998033]

>>11998031
You’re an idiot.

[Anonymous No.11998036]

>>11997893
They already have a next gen space capsule in development. They'll probably link it up to a small habitation/research module and a ppe/life support module and launch it to Venus.

[Anonymous No.11998043]

>>11998033
Nuclear is the future faggot.

[Anonymous No.11998049]

>>11998043
Sure, but solar will go first because it has no red tape

[Anonymous No.11998065]

>>11998049
An early mars outpost wouldn't need much power anyways, in which case one starship filled with solar panels could provide more then enough solar panels to power an early base, even at polar latitudes.

[Anonymous No.11998074]

>>11997998
Probably but I don't think they're concerned about that at the current stage of development. We don't even know if that section with the tiles is meant for flight or not.

[Anonymous No.11998081]

>>11997627
>parallel testing
They are. SN5's first hop was their first shake-n-vibe test with a variety of mounting methods. Some of those mounting methods didn't pass the test.
>>11997768
One scenario I've heard here is one or two ships for the 2022 synod, then a small fleet for 2024.
What if they bring enough fuel in extra ships to bring one Starship back? And hydrogen is the tricky bit. Even as thin as it is, if they can't find enough water on-site, the atmosphere is mostly CO2, so they just need a way to crack that and add hydrogen. Or literally load a tanker or two and bring that in the fleet. Once a fuel depot is landed or parked on orbit, it'll be safe to land humans on the next synod. (safe in terms of an almost guaranteed ride home)

[Anonymous No.11998087]

Shouldn't orbital propellant depots be supplied from lunar ice mining operations?

Dig up co2 and water ice. Make o2 and ch4. Yeet it at the earth with a railgun. Then the tanks are intercepted by tugs. Which burn some of the payload to get it into earth orbit and docked.

[Anonymous No.11998089]

>>11998019
This, they've already blowtorched the tiles up beyond maximum predicted reentry temperatures for up to 8 hour spans at a time with no negative effect, there is zero reason to doubt their capability to protect the ship from a thermal standpoint. What needs to be figured out is how to mount them so you can ensure that no vital tiles fall off during reentries or takeoffs, and whether there will need to either be some kind of gap insulator or thermal paint/glue to ensure that no heat can leak between the tiles, or that if heat is deliberately allowed to flow between the gaps, that it doesn't reach the temperatures where it could melt the hull.
I mean the simple solution would just be to apply a thick layer of thermal paint and/or glue to the belly and then apply the tiles over it. Also, Starship will reenter cooler than the shuttle by using it's fins to prolong the highest, fastest portion of reentry. This raises the total amount of heat the ship will have to dissipate, but also reduces peak thermal loading, so long as the hull and tiles have enough thermal endurance, there should be no issue.

[Anonymous No.11998118]

Bros I can't wait to see Starship's interior mockup. I would love to float inside a giant tin can that looks like a tesla and brew a cup of coffee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L___xygPC94

[Anonymous No.11998161]

>>11996951
how cheeky, spelling out your logo in the tiles!

[Anonymous No.11998162]

Is that SN6 on the move?

[Anonymous No.11998174]

hmmmmm

[Anonymous No.11998183]

>>11998118
>When you have your morning sip

https://youtu.be/L___xygPC94?t=27

[Anonymous No.11998216]

>>11997431
Kids on Robin Hood don't do research. More news at 11.

[Anonymous No.11998220]

>>11998162
hai

[Anonymous No.11998237]

>>11997791
>SN7 will be blown up on purpose
Can't wait for news to run this story with that one picture of musk looking sad then post it to reddit and get 2000+ upvotes and hundreds of "musk bad" comments

[Anonymous No.11998245]

>>11997599
Didn't they have a structural failure when the top tank was loaded while the lower one was empty? How does the ship deal with 300 tons in its nose. Surely they can't just keep it pressurized the entire time through and after payload integration. Seems dangerous to go near it in that state.

[Anonymous No.11998248]

>>11996884
Thoughts on multiple massive satellite constellations going up within the next coming decades? Redd*tors sure love it despite trashing the night sky.

[Anonymous No.11998249]

>>11998237
I get musk started to be non pc lately but they hated him before that, in fact I think he got his non pc stance because of said unwarranted ha traded, and I don't get why. Isn't Reddit supposed to be the "dude science bro" crowd? they should love him.

[Anonymous No.11998255]

>>11996951
SpaceX going to give it to ya.

[Anonymous No.11998258]

SN6 looks nice.

[Anonymous No.11998260]

So is Musk legitimately smart, or does he just have enough sense to hire smart people? Some people seem to think he's brilliant, and others think he's nothing but a manager who lets his scientists and engineers do all the heavy lifting.

[Anonymous No.11998262]

>>11998248
>Thoughts on multiple massive satellite constellations going up within the next coming decades?
Good. Luddites should not be listened to.

[Anonymous No.11998264]

>>11998248
>>11997279

[Anonymous No.11998267]

>>11998260
Most likely both. He's no engineer, but he seems to know enough to either make informed decisions on his own, or when he should refer to someone else and whom.

[Anonymous No.11998268]

>>11998260
he's a smart guy who has a knack for finding smart people and listening to what they say
also he's apparently smart enough to mostly understand what they're saying, and manages to get them to give it to him straight instead of lying to his face

a story of management success doesn't happen without smart people being involved

[Anonymous No.11998271]

>>11998260
Both

Musk's main strength is recognizing emerging markets and then promoting the hell out of them.

[Anonymous No.11998273]

>>11998262
A moon colony is different than tens of thousands of satellites ending ground based astronomy and ending billions of years of unrestricted night sky. Don't be a cancer, there is no point to any of this if we dont use technology with wisdom.

[Anonymous No.11998274]

How do we stop Elon's dangerous scams before he gets American astronauts killed?

[Anonymous No.11998275]

>>11998274
Go away Boing.

[Anonymous No.11998277]

>>11998273
ground astronomy is a dead end. Especially when SpaceX will enable every university to have their own Hubble.

[Anonymous No.11998279]

>>11998260
Seriously what the fuck do people think a CEO does? Calling him "just a manager" because he doesn't run calculations or weld steel rings together himself has to be the most retarded critique possible

[Anonymous No.11998280]

>>11998279
they had bad managers and now hate all management

[Anonymous No.11998291]

>>11998273
>tens of thousands of satellites ending ground based astronomy
They won't end ground based astronomy. Work has already been done in seeing past satellites. The only kind of ground based astronomy such satellites would negatively impact would be wide-view long-exposure imagery, but such astronomy has already been moving towards space (apart from kinds used to take beauty shots) placing them above those satellites.

>and ending billions of years of unrestricted night sky.
So? The night sky has already been "restricted" for many people in the developed world due to light pollution from cities. Having some stray dots on the dusk and dawn sky won't hurt.

>there is no point to any of this if we dont use technology with wisdom.
And such wisdom has already been debated over and agreed upon. Do you think those satellites are just being tossed up into space out of nowhere? Companies like SpaceX need permission from the US government to launch. Their license to do has been up for consideration long before it was approved, and no one challenged it.

[Anonymous No.11998301]

Here's a question - why don't SpaceX capture the whole Earth observation market for themselves with launches like Starlink? Surely they must have thought of it. Too competitive?

[Anonymous No.11998309]

>>11998277
>ground astronomy is a dead end
No it ain't, pic related.
>Especially when SpaceX will enable every university to have their own Hubble.
Lol no, Uni's dont have the money to throw billions at space telescopes on par with hubble.

[Anonymous No.11998312]

>>11998245
Starship propellant mass is apparently 3,400 metric tons. I don't know how much of that is LOX or if they pressure test with the full amount but I think it's enough to suggest that the weight of the LOX on the empty methane tank was more than 300 tons. Another thing to consider is that since it's expendable they can ditch things like thermal protection system and use the weight savings to reinforce the structure if need be.

[Anonymous No.11998315]

>>11998280
>>11998279
People have been conditioned with this socialist image of executives. As being indolent fat pigs who only acquire wealth through owning things.

[Anonymous No.11998316]

>>11998309
>we made it bigger, this means it's better
putting that whole thing in space would be an insignificant investment compared to the price of the observatory with Starship

[Anonymous No.11998317]

>>11998279
>Seriously what the fuck do people think a CEO does?
Honestly, I don't know. I'm more of an isolated, focused thinker. The people who can pull together broad, disparate ideas and manage people are beyond my comprehension. I can't even begin to judge the difficulty of it.

[Anonymous No.11998320]

>>11998309
New hubble class telescopes should get cheaper to build and launch. Given the decades of progress and no more shittle.

[Anonymous No.11998321]

>>11998301
You mean stuff like weather and crop monitoring? I think the two big reasons are that the market is fairly small despite its importance, and most members are national ones and would feel safer to use a domestically made satellite rather than a foreign one.

[Anonymous No.11998323]

What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11998325]

>>11998248
We had decades to address light pollution on the ground where it actually mattered and yet no one fucking cared. And no one cares to this day.
People in LA call the police when they see the milky way. And yet a few dots being visible in the sky again is now a fucking grave offense. Just fuck off. Seriously. Start at the source or shut the fuck up.
People only bash this stuff because they have a chip on their shoulder about the people doing it.

[Anonymous No.11998326]

>>11998312
>LOx on the empty methane tank
you fucking nigger, get it right
the liquid methane tank was full of liquid nitrogen, and the liquid oxygen tank was empty
liquid nitrogen is significantly denser than liquid methane

[Anonymous No.11998330]

>>11998291
>They won't end ground based astronomy. Work has already been done in seeing past satellites. The only kind of ground based astronomy such satellites would negatively impact would be wide-view long-exposure imagery, but such astronomy has already been moving towards space (apart from kinds used to take beauty shots) placing them above those satellites.
Fair arguments, don't disagree at all.
>So? The night sky has already been "restricted" for many people in the developed world due to light pollution from cities. Having some stray dots on the dusk and dawn sky won't hurt.
Sky pollution is a travesty as well. Theres ways around this too, but people are so disconnected at this point they dont care. Bringing sky pollution up only adds to my point of maybe we should be smarter about how we do things.
>And such wisdom has already been debated over and agreed upon. Do you think those satellites are just being tossed up into space out of nowhere? Companies like SpaceX need permission from the US government to launch. Their license to do has been up for consideration long before it was approved, and no one challenged it.
>Trusting the feds/Trump admin/FCC to have the best judgment on this
Thats just an appeal to authority, an authority that nobody with two braincells to rub together trusts deeply anymore.

[Anonymous No.11998341]

>>11998260
>So is Musk legitimately smart, or does he just have enough sense to hire smart people?

Why not both?

[Anonymous No.11998342]

>>11998245
The problem wasn’t just that the top was full, but that they accidentally opened a valve on the bottom tank which unpressurized it and cause the top tank to smush the bottom one.

>>11998315
This. Except for when a CEO is “BIPOC(?)”

[Anonymous No.11998344]

>>11996888

Lunar-orbital space elevator maintained self-refilling propellant depots.

[Anonymous No.11998345]

>>11998330
>omg there’s little lights in the sky that aren’t stars

Literally who cares?

[Anonymous No.11998349]

>>11998345
>I haven't seen starlink, which is only a fraction of its current planned size, let alone the other constellations being planned by other companies
adults are talking, go back to redd*t

[Anonymous No.11998350]

SN6 is on the stand

[Anonymous No.11998353]

>>11998349
Caring about Starlink is the peak Reddit reaction.

Actually Reddit is super funny because ever since Elon revealed his power level about the China Virus they’ve since turned on him. Every SpaceX news thing is full of redditors says shit about how SpaceX is racist, Elon is a fraud, etc.

[Anonymous No.11998359]

>>11998349
Adults don’t give a fuck how the sky looks.

[Anonymous No.11998366]

>>11998359
>I am a brainlet who doesn't care for astronomy
why open your mouth and make yourself look stupid?

[Anonymous No.11998372]

>>11998350
What is a possible timeline for SN6?
Pressure testing could be done quickly, I suppose. Does it already have the systems neccessary for flight? It definetly still needs a mass simulator and a raptor.

[Anonymous No.11998374]

>>11998330
>Sky pollution is a travesty as well. Theres ways around this too, but people are so disconnected at this point they dont care.
Maybe because it's not as serious an issue as you think?

>Bringing sky pollution up only adds to my point of maybe we should be smarter about how we do things.
And it adds to my point that despite it being a larger impediment in viewing the night sky than satellites, no one has done anything about it. Which means that the issue of light pollution isn't serious, which further implies that satellites are an even less serious issue.

>Trusting the feds/Trump admin/FCC to have the best judgment on this
That wasn't my point. My point was that if anyone could've stopped SpaceX from launching Starlink, then they had plenty of time to do so. Yet no one did.

Satellites blocking the stars is an non-issue. Some amateur astronomers being unable to generate their beauty-shots anymore isn't serious. This topic has been open for debate for a while, yet no one has made a compelling argument as to why this should be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.11998377]

>>11998326
Cool story, bro, but explain this. Hint:
You can't.

[Anonymous No.11998379]

Hop when?

[Anonymous No.11998381]

>>11998344
Stop! My dick can only get so hard!

[Anonymous No.11998382]

>>11998350
ULA snipers running into position

[Anonymous No.11998383]

>>11998377
methane tank on top, dumbass
we have an Elon tweet around here somewhere, but it's time for me to go to work

[Anonymous No.11998386]

>>11998366
Put a satellite in orbit if you want to study astronomy, fag

[Anonymous No.11998389]

>>11998379
>Hop when?

[Anonymous No.11998392]

>>11998344
Should be at the poles

[Anonymous No.11998394]

>>11998372
No idea. Pressure test this week or the next probably. Expect a static fire in September with a hop late September probably.

Good news though is that this will let them build SN8

[Anonymous No.11998398]

>>11998273
>ending ground based astronomy
Oh please.
All the satellite trajectories are known ahead of time.
Just build a simple algorithm that drops the frames with a sattelite in them. I'm sure billion dollar telescopes hooked up to super computers can be taught to blink for a moment while the data is garbage.

[Anonymous No.11998400]

>>11998386
I'll get right on that you fucking useless retard

[Anonymous No.11998402]

>>11998383
Make sure you don't bring your insufferable angry personality into work and lose your minimum wage job, you autistic cunt.

[Anonymous No.11998411]

>>11998400
Okay fag

[Anonymous No.11998412]

>>11998402
thanks, you too

[Anonymous No.11998418]

>>11998394
>hop late September probably.
Put down the meth pipe. No way the same exact process is going to take as long as the first time, barring another hurricane

[Anonymous No.11998422]

>>11998374
Cool, guess I'll stop caring about humans fucking up their natural environment more and more because it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.11998425]

>>11998400
Earth based astronomy is fucking useless go cry about starlink on reddit

[Anonymous No.11998430]

>>11998422
If you seriously think that any change to the environment is some terrible thing, then I suggest that you move back to the savanna, abandon all technology, and live the rest of your days as a primitive. The world won't miss you.

[Anonymous No.11998434]

>>11998422
>Muh nature

I hope earth becomes a dead rock like Mars

[Anonymous No.11998440]

Is Kamala Harris going to be as enthusiastic for the space council etc as Pence if Biden is elected? have a feeling a lot of the administration's enthusiasm for space is because Pence likes space stuff

[Anonymous No.11998445]

>>11998422
Maybe campaign against plastic polution, e-waste or greenhouse gasses. Seems like fights that need fighting a lot more than light pollution and dots in the sky.

[Anonymous No.11998447]

>>11998430
enjoy your urban hell hole and antidepressants you husk of meat

[Anonymous No.11998448]

>>11998440
The answer is most likely no. In my opinion Pence is probably all over NASA because it makes the Trump administration look good and he knows Trump doesn’t really give af about it other than bragging rights. Biden doesn’t want or need or even understand the clout that comes with NASA so they will probably allow Artemis to happen for a while for “muh diversity” and then proceed to slowly cut the budget for the administration

[Anonymous No.11998452]

>>11998440
Probably not. She had a rally in my city I think November (?) last year and I went because I was bored. She’s your typical liberal “GIVE FREE! POC REPRESENTATION!” Politician. No way she’d support space if it didn’t somehow have a pozzed feel to it.

[Anonymous No.11998455]

>>11998440
Democrats hate space and will use NASA only to study climate change bullshit

[Anonymous No.11998458]

>>11998445
All these things go hand in hand, and going after them is something worth considering.

[Anonymous No.11998464]

>>11998440
Nasa is going to get slashed and turned into a image change and "get minorities into stem" jobs program. As they suck off that last bit of legacy from Apollo, shuttle, and iss. Will probably claim SpaceX needs to pay more taxes because they got started up by the government. Diversity quotas.

[Anonymous No.11998468]

So the full family of Starships is:

Starhopper (Not really a Starship but whatever)
MK1 (Popped)
MK2 (Never flew)
Test tank 1 (Popped)
Test tank 2 (popped)
Nose Cone Tank (Popped)
SN1 (Shucked)
SN2 (Survived. Where is she now?)
SN3 (Smushed)
SN4 (Exploded after static fire)
SN5 (Hopped)
SN6 (On the Test Stand)
SN7 (Popped but did a good job)
Either SN7.1 or SN8 (Currently stacking)

[Anonymous No.11998470]

>>11998440
No. I doubt it's going to matter though.

[Anonymous No.11998473]

>>11998342
>This. Except for when a CEO is “BIPOC(?)”
Or a blatant jew.

[Anonymous No.11998475]

>>11998468
SN2 was a test tank that got turned into a water tower, it's in the back of the lot somewhere

[Anonymous No.11998479]

>>11998372
SOON

[Anonymous No.11998480]

>>11998468
Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead Starships, and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.

[Anonymous No.11998481]

>>11998440
Hard to say. I can find only one source that describes her views on space flight (at least with NASA). While it says that she's for funding NASA, it doesn't go into detail as to what exactly about NASA does she support and want funded. All other searches found nothing. Nothing negative, just nothing about her views about space flight beyond very surface level stuff (i.e. taking a tour of the Mars Insight team, or expressing her like for Hidden Figures).

She seems like she would be less supportive than Pence, but that's all I can say on the matter. If Biden get's elected, then I hope she lets all the programs currently in motion to continue.

[Anonymous No.11998490]

>>11998481
America will be completely destroyed within twenty years if Biden gets elected. These are the end times

[Anonymous No.11998494]

>>11998481
I can see a Biden presidency not being great or terrible for NASA, or at least of the same level as Obama.

[Anonymous No.11998501]

>>11998490
There wont be a 2024 election with Trump and his hasidic endtime kike son in law.

[Anonymous No.11998509]

>>11998468
Updated a bit for SN6

[Anonymous No.11998518]

>>11998509
Based. If I had good photoshop skills I’d try to make a complete version with even the Test Tanks, Header Test, MK2, etc.

[Anonymous No.11998520]

>>11998509
What's one with SpaceX tile logo?

[Anonymous No.11998523]

>>11998520
Prob SN8

[Anonymous No.11998529]

>>11998501
Trump isn’t a communist or ally of communists like Biden is

[Anonymous No.11998537]

>>11998529
Biden is literally the neoliberal crony capitalism establishment candidate, the antithesis to communism. Trump is of the same political/economic spectrum but a jingoistic kike owned fraud to the max. People who cant get basic political ideologies down like you should be banned from voting.

[Anonymous No.11998550]

>>11998537
>yes the guy who openly says he will sell out to the Chinese who worked to the fucker who sold off to the Chinese is no allie of the commies, trump bad.

[Anonymous No.11998555]

>>11998550

[Anonymous No.11998561]

>>11998550
China isn't even communist, its a pseudo-capitalist totalitarian hellhole that sold out. There isn't one once of communism in the American political system. It's so far right and ultra-capitalists that nuts like you think neoliberalism is communism, when in reality every aspect of the political system is bought and paid for by super banks, defense corps and lined with armies of soulless lawyers. 400 years ago people like you would have been burning people at the stake.

[Anonymous No.11998563]

The bald man is trying so hard to be Musk, it's really fucking funny.

Musk - Bezos
Tesla - Rivian
Spacex - Blue Origins
Starlink - Kuiper constellation

[Anonymous No.11998565]

>>11998490
hysterical lefties said the same thing about trump
calm down

[Anonymous No.11998566]

>>11998561
>the American political system is far right

[Anonymous No.11998568]

https://twitter.com/SierraNevCorp/status/1276226563244204035?s=20
Tiles of Dreamchaser are glued by hand.

[Anonymous No.11998573]

>>11998566
>pretending a ultra-capitalist country basically ran by the national security state and banks (aka fascist corporatism) isnt far right
>having to invoke the plebbit card to get out of an argument
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11998574]

>>11998452
>>11998455
>>11998464
Where does this retarded meme come from?

[Anonymous No.11998582]

>>11998568
not surprising
the idea is more or less the shuttle but on top of the rocket to avoid debris

[Anonymous No.11998586]

>>11998574
Reality

[Anonymous No.11998590]

>>11997479
>At reentry heating, the difference between aluminum and stainless steel is irrelevant
Lol. At reentry temps, stainless steel is like a few times stronger.

[Anonymous No.11998595]

>>11998586
sounds more like a republican version of democrat anti trump alarmism

[Anonymous No.11998596]

>>11997606
Steel bars for construction are dense af. You can always pack those on if you're volume constrained. Same with water tanks.

[Anonymous No.11998597]

>>11998563
One thing Bezos doesn’t have is attractiveness. Elon looks good for a billionaire CEO and he’s a playboy. Bezos is a creep who cheated on his wife. Also look at his affair texts they’re weird.

[Anonymous No.11998603]

>>11998574
>he doesn't remember the obama years

[Anonymous No.11998604]

>>11998595
Dude I fucking went to her rally lmao. I live in California and the shit she says isn’t even that extreme for someone of her political standing.

[Anonymous No.11998607]

>>11998574

The last democrat president destroyed NASA by its funding and literally said these words, I'm not fucking with you:

"We have been there before" - President Barack Obama, when he shut down the NASA constellation program

The idea of the program was to return humans to the moon before 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx59d7CEwYI

Prove to me that democrats are not anti anything space related.

[Anonymous No.11998609]

>>11998537
>The guy in the party that contains actual communists isn’t the communist ally, but the guy in the party with no communists is

[Anonymous No.11998611]

>>11997795

[Anonymous No.11998613]

There is nothing wrong with Communism.

[Anonymous No.11998615]

>>11998609
>neoliberalism is communism
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11998618]

>>11998607
He continued Bush's private spaceflght policy.

[Anonymous No.11998620]

hullo

[Anonymous No.11998621]

>>11998615
The Democrat party is full of socialists now

[Anonymous No.11998623]

>>11998573
>he thinks capitalism = right wing
how's 8th grade treatin ya?

[Anonymous No.11998629]

>>11998468
>Survived. Where is she now?
SpaceX should make it into a novelty exhibit in Bocca china. outfit it like an exhibit of what a finished interior will look like.

[Anonymous No.11998631]

>mars
Forget it. Ceres with its tectonically heated subsurface ocean should be the first stop

[Anonymous No.11998633]

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

https://www.ucf.edu/news/broken-cable-damages-arecibo-observatory/

[Anonymous No.11998635]

>>11998621
Is that why barry, hillary, and biden cannot stop sucking goldman sachs cock? Do you even know what socialism is? Because socialism isnt taking corporate money and giving 200k+ speeches at banks after your 8 years as president and a financial bailout.
>left is right and up is down i am very smart
kys

[Anonymous No.11998637]

>>11998621
If that was true bernie would have won

[Anonymous No.11998638]

>>11998633
haha cable go braaaap

[Anonymous No.11998641]

>>11998621
Cultural socialists maybe but certainly not economically. Your mileage may vary on which is worse

[Anonymous No.11998642]

>>11998563
Lmao I had never heard of Rivian until now. I just checked their website, it looks so gay. It's like he can't decide if he is trying to appeal to the s o i rock climbers or manly men. Kind of like those shitty ads i get on instagram for "outdoor boxes" that give you a shitty axe and shaving cream with a straight razor to make liberals feel "manly"

Check out the tincup whiskey website it literally appeals to the same audience and looks like it was made by the same webmaster fucking kek
https://www.tincupwhiskey.com/#:~:text=AMERICAN%20WHISKEY%20CUT%20with%20Rocky,Our%20Whiskey

[Anonymous No.11998644]

>>11998633
why it happened

[Anonymous No.11998645]

>>11998637
>>11998635
Ignoring all the baby Sanders elected in 18, and the "green new deal" and its broad democrat support.

[Anonymous No.11998646]

>>11998644
Hurricane season plus incompetent wetback locals.

[Anonymous No.11998648]

>>11998623
>communism is left as it gets
>late stage capitalism + militaristic authoritarianism isnt right wing
b8

[Anonymous No.11998650]

>>11998642
>It's like he can't decide if he is trying to appeal to the s o i rock climbers or manly men. Kind of like those shitty ads i get on instagram for "outdoor boxes" that give you a shitty axe and shaving cream with a straight razor to make liberals feel "manly"
Those are both aimed straight down the middle at the Seattle archetype. Urban bugman during the week, traffic jams at trailheads on Saturday. It's probably driven by the Amazon bulk order of EVs for delivery, which in turn is driven by Amazon wanting nice EVs without paying Elon-chan any money.

[Anonymous No.11998654]

>>11998645
Sanders and the green new deal are capitalist reformism. You are so hyper-far right that even basic reform is boogeyman communism to you. Bleeding hear socialists fucking hate Obama and Biden. You're completely delusional and the political equivalent of a fundie nutjob. There is next to no worker owner ship in this country.

[Anonymous No.11998661]

>>11998273
fucking idiots, how many times do I have to tell you faggots that sunshades are going up on all the new satellites. i'm beginning to think you're bait

[Anonymous No.11998665]

>>11998648
>late stage capitalism
Again, nothing about that is right wing. Literally wikipedia has a better understanding of the term than you do

>militaristic authoritarianism
Is that what you think we have now? Where leftist agitators are given free reign to burn down police stations and assault court houses? Where blacks loot and murder without prosecution? Where our military is at the beck and call of a foreign nation but powerless to prevent insurrection and invasion on home soil? Give me a break

[Anonymous No.11998666]

>>11998661
Theyre likely Redditors. Reddit has been going off about Starlink ever since Elon tweeted “FREE AMERICA NOW!”

[Anonymous No.11998672]

>>11998654
Not him, but if you think anyone on the internet puts more thought into economic labels then "Socialism/Capitalism = things I don't like" then you are in for a bad time.

[Anonymous No.11998673]

SPACE FLIGHT GENERAL

[Anonymous No.11998675]

>>11998648
All ills associated with capitalism, are from government.

[Anonymous No.11998677]

>>11998648
capitalism evolved from the same sources as classical liberalism, it is a center left ideology

[Anonymous No.11998680]

>>11998666
>moloch-worshipping bugmen tankies are so disgusting even SATAN agreed they're evil

[Anonymous No.11998683]

C U R V E D
B O A T T A I L S

[Anonymous No.11998686]

>>11998611
>Starship
>male
no

[Anonymous No.11998688]

>>11998648
Are you just going to ignore most of the usa is a welfare state?
For fucks sake your dishonesty is disgusting.

[Anonymous No.11998692]

>>11998688
anyone who says "late stage capitalism" or asserts capitalism has any relation to fascism is a far left radical who is blinded by their perceptions of other ideologies.

[Anonymous No.11998693]

>>11998688
LOL LETS GIVE NIGGERS MONEY INSTEAD OF SPACE!

[Anonymous No.11998694]

Back to /sfg/, elon tweeted this not too long ago.

[Anonymous No.11998697]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv9rSrCsHDg
The absolute size of this thing

[Anonymous No.11998699]

>>11998440
not sure if someone posted this yet but
https://twitter.com/SenKamalaHarris/status/984215016541847552?s=20
and
https://www.harris.senate.gov/news/press-releases/harris-colleagues-applaud-senate-passage-of-bill-to-recognize-hidden-figures-
are the only space related things i can find online from kamala harris. she seems sort of pro? at least for the mars program.

[Anonymous No.11998700]

>>11998686
Eat shit, toei literally made a humanized starship before it was even a thing

[Anonymous No.11998701]

>>11998694
there are spaceport resort developers?

[Anonymous No.11998703]

>>11998701
SpaceX is going to make BC a tourist destination

[Anonymous No.11998704]

>>11998700
*Male starship

[Anonymous No.11998707]

starship gf (male)

[Anonymous No.11998710]

>>11998699
>pass bill to say "there were blacks too"
the state of the senate

[Anonymous No.11998711]

>>11998699
Every politician will talk proudly about a mission once it's ready to go because the work is already done. It's the willingness to actually support development that's the issue

[Anonymous No.11998712]

>>11997795
>>11998611

[Anonymous No.11998713]

>>11998700
nah
fuck you and whatever thing you're trying to force

[Anonymous No.11998714]

>>11998712
Needs a Starliner burning up on reentry in the background with the "autistic screeching" caption.

[Anonymous No.11998715]

why cant russia just make their own spacex
come on guys you could copy the shuttle, why not copy something that isnt a piece of shit

[Anonymous No.11998716]

Were in the final years before spaceports and space travel will become common.
I'm glad to share it with you faggots.

[Anonymous No.11998721]

>>11998715
The Soviet Union could copy the Shuttle. Russia can't even make a fifth gen fighter.

[Anonymous No.11998724]

>>11998716
I'm not i was born too early to actually be a part of it.... now i'm too old to wait until it becomes cheap so i can be a space tourist.

[Anonymous No.11998727]

>>11998683
OOOGH I'M COOMING

[Anonymous No.11998729]

>>11998700
Starship is female de geso.

[Anonymous No.11998731]

>>11998715
Even if they did it's not like we'd see anything of it anytime soon. The Russian Space Program makes NASA look speedy and efficient

[Anonymous No.11998733]

>>11998716
>Starship flies 2021/2022
>Lunar Starship 2024
>Men on mars before 2030
>At least 1,000 people on Mars before 2050

Good times

[Anonymous No.11998734]

>>11998713
You're just salty that a starship moe waifu would now be pointless, as fucking meta CHADler perfectly fits as anthropomorphized starship.
>an improved version of a past being (cooler/ITS)
>physical flaws are corrected and mitigated after damage
>fucking shiny
>>11998715
Isn't Roscocosmos in financial shit?
>>11998716
Same. I'll see you from orbit.

[Anonymous No.11998736]

>>11998701
There are now.

[Anonymous No.11998739]

I just saw a starlink train pass overhead. It was beautiful.

[Anonymous No.11998740]

why was it such a stupid piece of shit bros?

[Anonymous No.11998743]

Why doesn't Jef Bozo copy Redstone Mercury? Just get someone into orbit already.

[Anonymous No.11998747]

>>11998734
A waifu starship would be cool but a chad starship would be Cooler

[Anonymous No.11998750]

>>11998734
already shoving your head into your delusional ass i see

[Anonymous No.11998752]

>>11998118
It'd be cool if starship had like multiple styles in the interior.
>main hall and general living space looks like what you'd see in a dragon
>cockpit resembles a Tesla's dashboard
>personal quarters look like comfy hotel rooms

[Anonymous No.11998753]

>On November 29, 1968, its inaugural flight, the Astris third stage exploded. On the second attempt on July 1969, the Astris engine failed to start. On the third attempt on June 11, 1970, the stage performed correctly, but the fairing failed to separate.[3] On November 5, 1971, the Europa II launched from CSG ELA-1, had a mishap due to structural failure of the third stage. After this last failure the project was definitely cancelled.[7]

[Anonymous No.11998755]

>>11998607
Going to the moon for a half assed ego flag plant doesn't mean much. During his administration we got commercial crew and Constellation was ended which is a good thing. Although SLS happened. Remember than not a single president cares about space and congress is what mainly controls NASA that's why the Shuttle contractors are being kept alive.

[Anonymous No.11998762]

>>11998752
Watch out, I brought up the idea of "Starship's cockpit" before and got hounded by
>STARSHIP WON'T HAVE A COCKPIT
responses

[Anonymous No.11998763]

>>11998755
Manned space flight is an important moment for national unity and pride. It's something all americans can feel apart of. Plus the secondary technology applications go on to improve our lives.

[Anonymous No.11998765]

>>11998714

[Anonymous No.11998768]

>>11998743
Because he's doing space as a many-billionaire's hobby, like collecting retarded looking expensive cars or yachts, while other more forward looking companies and individuals are doing it for the furthering of mankind. Bezos isn't the kind of man who builds O'neill cylinders or megastructures, he's the kind of man who builds a company to suck the talent out of tens of thousands of people at rock bottom prices to create a vertical monopoly on technology that existed before he adopted it.
He's less of a businessman and more of a very successful professional parasite, he's not even designing his own rocket, he's copycatting off of someone who's already been radically more successful than him at rocketry, and doing petty shit like trying to sue SpaceX for example over an idea he and Blue would never be ambitious enough to actually use.

[Anonymous No.11998772]

>>11998765
kek

[Anonymous No.11998779]

>>11998763
There is no will from the government to invest in any meaningful space exploration. Look at how quickly people stopped caring about Apollo back then. If there is no actual purpose or science to be achieved then the shitty manned programs from NASA won't get anywhere. Constellation, SLS and Artemis are half assed programs. SpaceX and BO are the ones with an actual goal.

[Anonymous No.11998780]

>>11998316
>ywn be a maintenance engineer living on the station attached to the HKT (half kilometer telescope) at EM-L4, getting the equivalent of an astrophysics PhD just by hanging out with the on-station scientists

[Anonymous No.11998782]

>>11998779
Airforce/Spaceforce/NASA are shifting slowly towards rapid innovation, but they're still bottlenecked by congress who wants to keep their state jobs.

[Anonymous No.11998785]

>>11998733
>At least 1000 people on Mars before 2050
100000 people on Mars by 2050, fuck boeing, fuck ULA, fuck reddit, and fuck "skeptics"

[Anonymous No.11998790]

>>11998779
>BO
>Actual goal.
What is their goal though? They've flown a purposeless rocket (twice?) which is basically nothing more than a toy for the super-rich to experience microgee with for a couple minutes, something that already existed in the cheaper form of high altitude planes. They've built an underpowered, oversized, highly conservative LOX/CH4 engine which they claim is going to be for another paper rocket of which no part has even materialized outside of concept art. The only thing their engine seems to be doing is getting sold to people who are capable of more rocketry ambition like ULA, who while initially slow to take up the reusability trend now seem invested in it as well.
Honestly I'd put more money on ULA using BE-4 to do cool things that BO itself is too sluggish and unambitious to do themselves.

I'm more excited for Copenhagen Sub than BO, they're a tiny team with a budget of like only a million bucks crowdfunded and while their shot is just going to be a single-man suborbital hop, it will have been the most significant success for a rocketry team that isn't funded by either a megacorporation or government.

[Anonymous No.11998795]

>>11998740
a rocket

[Anonymous No.11998797]

>>11998782
NASA can't do anything if congress doesn't allow it or if it's not their way. Their greatest achievements are in planetary science with their probes and rovers.
You have to understand the vast majority of people from both sides are not autists like us and don't care about space.
>>11998790
They do have a goal I believe, hence why Bezos fished an F!1 engine from the ocean, but their company runs more more quietly than SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.11998801]

>>11998574
>meme

[Anonymous No.11998802]

>>11998801
>shitty /pol/tier memes
wow

[Anonymous No.11998807]

>>11998260

Garriet Reisman, NASA astronaut who worked with Musk at SpaceX:
>"What's really remarkable to me is the breadth of his knowledge. I mean I've met a lot of super super smart people but they're usually super super smart on one thing and he's able to have conversations with our top engineers about the software, and the most arcane aspects of that and then he'll turn to our manufacturing engineers and have discussions about some really esoteric welding process for some crazy alloy and he'll just go back and forth and his ability to do that across the different technologies that go into rockets cars and everything else he does.
https://youtu.be/GNG6ZzDh9C8?t=390

[Anonymous No.11998808]

>>11998607
Are there really Constellation fanboys here? It was an even worse SLS

[Anonymous No.11998809]

>>11998797
I mean retrieving an old F-1 is cool, but what kind of goal does that imply? The F-1, in spite of being one of the coolest rockets of the old space race, is a fundamentally archaic design. With just a couple years and some software which has probably already been outmoded since, Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne designed the F-1B which is superior to it's predecessor in every significant way, it's even more combustion stable, it does away with the exhaust dump plumbing without losing ISP, it develops a good bit more thrust, it's lighter, and it's about ten times less complicated to assemble.
Why would Blue want to study a piece of technology more than half a century out of date? It's like a new phone company studying a giant IBM number cruncher that fills up a building for their upcoming device.

[Anonymous No.11998812]

>>11998790
Their stated goal is building O'Neil cylinders out of lunar resources to move most of humanity into.

[Anonymous No.11998814]

>>11998733
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Cjisi_BDA

[Anonymous No.11998815]

>>11998801
>Welfare is the reason we can't have nice things
>Meanwhile multinational corporations hoard trillions in overseas accounts and pay no taxes and make everyone else pick up the slack

[Anonymous No.11998816]

>>11998260
Doesn't he have like a double Bachelors, one in engineering and the other in business? His high level of autism makes me think that he's quite intelligent overall, but instead of being some kind of savant he's just able to rapidly learn about new fields that pique his interest. He's obviously at the very least smart enough and possessed of a strong enough grasp of business, engineering and programming to put together a team of people who have been extraordinarily successful in a very short amount of time compared to other similar or even larger entities with similar goals.

[Anonymous No.11998817]

>>11998802
life imitates art

[Anonymous No.11998818]

>>11998808
I think it's more so that people are upset that it was outright cancelled rather than salvaged. Imagine if when Trump entered office he cancelled SLS and authorized work to begin on an all new shuttle derived launch vehicle instead

[Anonymous No.11998821]

>>11998574
Viral marketing by Republicans. Notice it picks up before elections.

[Anonymous No.11998822]

>>11998802
That board's living rent free in your cranial cavity in'nit?

[Anonymous No.11998824]

>>11998812
Right, but nothing about Jeff Bezos or his companies gives me any sense that he's actually going to do that.

[Anonymous No.11998825]

>>11998815
why not both?

[Anonymous No.11998829]

>>11998561
>neoliberalism is far right
lol
I do agree we dont have communism but its stupid to think any good right wing movement is pro capitalist

[Anonymous No.11998830]

>>11998821
see >>11998603

[Anonymous No.11998831]

>>11998824
I agree, but you asked about his goal, not if he will actually complete his goal. Maybe he will start being a lot more serious after starship launches.

[Anonymous No.11998833]

>>11998573
Thats not fascism though lol. Thats just liberalism at its end state.

[Anonymous No.11998834]

>>11998765
it's beautiful, anon

[Anonymous No.11998835]

>>11998603
>>11998830

You mean the years when SpaceX was just getting off the ground and recieved the funding and contracts it needed? I remember.

[Anonymous No.11998838]

>>11998833
Marxists call whatever they don't like fascism anon. Kind of like how modern conservatives (read: neoliberals) call anything they don't like communism.

[Anonymous No.11998841]

>>11998835
Uninformed retard or weak bait

[Anonymous No.11998844]

>>11998780
>ywn go fishing for ice whales from chandelier colonies in Neptune's upper atmosphere while making butt jokes about the Uranians
>ywn "yo dawg" your marriage by proposing in the light of of Saturn's rings
>ywn drop communists out of orbiters into Jupiter's great red spot
>ywn see the sun rise over Ceres
>ywn retire on Mars unless you get elonbux

[Anonymous No.11998846]

>>11998260
>So is Musk legitimately smart, or does he just have enough sense to hire smart people
Both. He's been noted to have photographic memory or atleast have a very good memory with regards to specifics of information. Maybe its not his memory but rather his heuristics at play. The first-principle thinking at the core of his rationals. Reduce every complex tasks to the very minimal viable aspects and then build on top of it. If this isnt' his genius ability, then it very well emulates genius-like ability to learn/understand/explain/conceptualize everything he's interested in.

He's a child entrepeneur who mad his first $500 selling computer game he made to local shop. Then sold yelp+google maps software before those companies/ideas existed a decade or two earlier. Then merged his online payment company with another company to form paypal, which he sold. Then created spacex and co-founded Tesla at its infancy.

He's a modern day polymath. Has physics/business degree, but is a programmer/rocket engineer/car engineer/etc.

[Anonymous No.11998847]

>>11998835
SpaceX originally entered the CRS contract under Bush

[Anonymous No.11998849]

>>11998838
Sam Anon here. I'm a fascist and it shows how retarded they are(on both sides) to just call something they dont like fascist. We have whole books on our ideals read that first before using that word. It irks me

[Anonymous No.11998850]

>>11998733
>>At least 1,000 people on Mars before 2050

That will be the biggest failure of humanity. Only 1.000 people on Mars 20 years after the first manned missions?

Starship will take people there around 2024 - 2026, that ship is capable of delivering 100 passengers.

[Anonymous No.11998854]

>>11998844
>ywn retire on Mars unless you get elonbux
just sell your house, it'll give you 250k for the trip

[Anonymous No.11998856]

>>11998815
>Meanwhile multinational corporations hoard trillions in overseas accounts and pay no taxes and make everyone else pick up the slack
People can do whatever they want with their money so they can hoard it as much as they like. Also while i agree that tax evasion should be dealt with, i probably wouldn't pay taxes as a billionaire either if i knew that most of it would go to the welfare citizens who only recieve it because it functions as a bribe to vote democrats. Who wants to pay the voterbase of their political opposition?

[Anonymous No.11998857]

>>11998850
We don't live in perfect ideal society, anon. Elon's projects will fall short here/there, he might get sick or die or get caught up in legal issues or some setbacks happen. There are lot of ways things can fuck up and only 1 way things could go perfect.

[Anonymous No.11998858]

>>11998849
Go larp somewhere else kid

[Anonymous No.11998862]

>>11998858
nah

[Anonymous No.11998869]

>>11998849
>>11998838
All commies and fascists should be executed.

[Anonymous No.11998870]

>>11998849
They're too lazy to do anything but ask people if they've read marx
>>11998850
>that ship is capable of delivering 100 passengers
more like 40. A somewhat optimistic but still realistic timeline would be orbital in late Q2 2021 or early Q3 2021, 4 cargo ships to Mars in 2022, 4 more in 2024, and probably 12 man crew in 2026. Followed by several more scientific expeditions in 2029 and the early 2030s working on both gathering scientific data and setting up the early colony, with the first non-scientist/non-SpaceX employee colonists arriving in the mid 2030s. By the 2040s, starship 2.0. might be ready, and that ship probably could bring 100 people to Mars at once. By 2050, we may have around 50-100 thousand people at Mars.

[Anonymous No.11998874]

>>11998858
>If you don't have my political ideology you're a larping kid
great way to make people agree with you
>>11998869
i'm not going to kill myself, but i'd be fine with letting you kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11998875]

>>11998869
Hazardously based, the poison tree of socialism should be ripped from every society it has infested by the roots.

[Anonymous No.11998879]

>>11998875
there WILL be a fascist titan colony anon

[Anonymous No.11998899]

>>11998455

Google image search Obama NASA

[Anonymous No.11998908]

>>11998857

The problem is that it's not only Elon that wants to claim land on that planet, the United States wants too so does China.

If the americans slip up the chinese will conquer the rest of the solar system, i'm pretty sure by 2050 we will have at least 100k people, by them chinese or americans.

[Anonymous No.11998911]

>>11998879
Mars will be an aristocracy

[Anonymous No.11998912]

>>11998844
>unless you get elonbux
They're currently called TSLA shares and they are about to split so you'll be able to afford them. The new price will be around $300 each.

[Anonymous No.11998913]

feudal mars when?

[Anonymous No.11998914]

>>11998607

Obama was just poorly articulating Mars being a grander goal as some people see it.

[Anonymous No.11998919]

>>11998607

>Obama plans mission to Mars
>democrats are anti-anything space related

[Anonymous No.11998923]

>>11998911
Future human society will be demigod AI-symbiotes vying for power between each other and ruling over the luddite masses who fear the merge

[Anonymous No.11998928]

>>11998919
I thought Obama was about an asteroid intercept mission?

[Anonymous No.11998935]

>>11998923
and then what

[Anonymous No.11998938]

>>11998912
I went to confirm that news since I hadn't heard about the split, then checked my charts app to see how that affected aftermarket trades. Forgot I had it on the 1-year view and almost shit myself when I saw [+$1139]

[Anonymous No.11998949]

>>11998935
After that, it fractures and it no longer makes sense to assess humanity as a whole. Most of the demigods would leave, I imagine, to go do their own thing and harvest other solar systems to increase their computing power.

[Anonymous No.11998951]

>>11998765
>2 parachutes
i kek

[Anonymous No.11998957]

>>11998911
>>11998913
Feudal dune like interstellar empire with great houses ruling planets and large houses and lesser houses owning individual space stations/smaller moons/regions of planets and larger moons WHEN?

[Anonymous No.11998969]

>>11998957
After the Machines leave

[Anonymous No.11998980]

>>11998911
Heinleinism

A merit based approach to granting covic franchise. That demands civic duty that forces responsibility to the nation above self interest.

[Anonymous No.11998982]

>>11998700
>Usurping a long history of referring to ships as female
>for a dbz reference

[Anonymous No.11998985]

>>11998938
I had a similar reaction today when I bought five shares after hours and checked the price a short while later to find they were up nearly $100 each when news of the split broke.

[Anonymous No.11998989]

>>11998982
the germans refer to ships as males

[Anonymous No.11998990]

>>11998969
Brian Herbert books aren't Canon.

The jihad was a cultural revolution. Not a literal war against AI and cyborgs.

[Anonymous No.11998993]

Post rare rocket failures
https://youtu.be/PK_yguLapgA?t=88

[Anonymous No.11998994]

>>11998912
Jesus, between that and battery day and another potential hop and the neuralink presentation on the 28th it's going to be a wild couple weeks for Musk.
I'm hoping for some good battery day announcements. Musk keeps delaying it because he wants it to be a huge event, so I wonder what process/technology/cost improvement he's so jazzed about.

[Anonymous No.11998999]

>>11998990
Well they're canon to reality, because we're getting the Machines.

[Anonymous No.11999001]

>>11998993
just like my KSP with FAR installed!

[Anonymous No.11999008]

>>11998928

Timeline:

1. Obama's new NASA plans are revealed in the FY2011 budget rollout. It ends Constellation, and instead has a bunch of new initiatives mainlined by investments into exploration research and technology that would be Mars related for future Mars oriented hardware development phases. Solar electric propulsion, inflatable habs, fuel depot demo. + some rocket engine development programs ahead of a 2015 selection date for a competed super/heavy lift rocket program. +some exploration probe/rover missions too, including a moon rover. + commercial crew, but with better funding
2. Some people complain it is bad because it doesn't have a destination timeline.
3. Obama declares visiting an Asteroid in 2025 as a destination and timeline metric as a response. This isn't asteroid redirect. This could be thought of as a shakedown cruise of a human Mars ship as a follow on to those technology investments to an easier asteroid destination before later Mars missions.
4. This plan didn't have a SLS like rocket. People who wanted that succeeded in getting SLS installed instead of the Mars technology program.
5. SLS sucked up all the money and development time and so timelines were pushed out and there was no room or likelihood of the actual asteroid mission being lived up to.
6. Someone thought up asteroid redirect mission.
7. Asteroid redirect mission became a thing in this post SLS period as something small that could be done, even though it was something else entirely.

[Anonymous No.11999022]

Can you wank the cock in space?

[Anonymous No.11999030]

>>11999022
hard to get hard, since not as much blood pressure/flow/whatever.

[Anonymous No.11999033]

>desperately googling for literally any scrap of information regarding Biden's or Harris's stance on space policy
>literally, exactly nothing
damn... I HOPE this means they give so little of a shit that they'll leave big jim in charge and let congress squabble over the budget, but I'm not very confident in that. Mostly likely cancellation of Artemis, reversal of all aspirational space policy (manned space exploration) and back to the jobs programs and outreach.

[Anonymous No.11999035]

>>11999022
it's been done

[Anonymous No.11999038]

>>11999033
SpaceNews tries to aggregate the space stances of presidential campaigns going in to the election. usually they all respond

[Anonymous No.11999039]

>>11999030
>space station with artificial gravity ring
>storage closets smell of sex stank

[Anonymous No.11999044]

>>11999033
>jobs programs and outreach
Jobs programs are the fault of Republicans wanting to keep contractors open.

[Anonymous No.11999046]

>>11999044
implying jobs programs aren't bipartisan

[Anonymous No.11999049]

>>11998821
>>11999033

[Anonymous No.11999061]

>>11999033
>hey fellow kids and spacenerds, vote for Trump and he'll make all of your dreams come true. I'm totally not a paid shill btw.

[Anonymous No.11999063]

>>11999061
at least he wont open the borders so america becomes a latin america tier shithole in 20 years

[Anonymous No.11999068]

>>11998911
It will be a technocracy led by scientists. Anyone who says anything else is just pretending that their own political opinion is objectively right and that everyone will agree with them.

[Anonymous No.11999074]

>>11999063
Nah he'll just continue to crush the middle class so we'll have an elite plutocracy of trillionaires with hundreds of millions of slaves.

[Anonymous No.11999079]

>>11999074
the republicans are the democrats on the speed limit anyways. its better to keep america stable for a little longer so the mars colony is closer to self sufficiency when shit hits the fan

[Anonymous No.11999084]

Will SpaceX ever accept corporate sponsors or advertising?

[Anonymous No.11999091]

>>11997448
>Why are there no good artist's renditions of this yet
Neopork will likely do it.

>>11997618
No anon, Elon has a very unique big brain, not a NASA brain.

[Anonymous No.11999094]

>>11998994
I think it will be improvements to energy density and longevity with substantial cost savings because of the dry-cell electrode technology they picked up from Maxwell. Tesla will go heavily into cell production which will become the limiting factor in all EV production. Already automakers are starting to become battery supply constrained and they are pushing back their production dates because they can't find enough batteries.

Basically Tesla will be showing that they hit the final nail in the coffin for the internal combustion engine vehicles and they can now produce electric drivetrains cheaper than ICE. It's huge because they already have much better performance and they're cheaper to operate. They are only going to get better as the technology has much more room to advance than ICE.

[Anonymous No.11999096]

>>11999084
Well, Google has given SpaceX a lot of money

[Anonymous No.11999099]

>>11999049
>>11999061
is accusing real discussion about the void of space policy in the upcoming election for control over the largest and most powerful government space agency in the world of being astroturfing the real astroturfing? Sincerely, I don't know what's so hard to understand about it being sketchy that Biden has weighed in on serious space-related legislation exactly 0 times in his 50 year career.

[Anonymous No.11999115]

>>11999099
I’m 99% sure Biden will just

1) Cancel Artemis, or postpone it
2) Fund several more climate observatories
3) Still push development of SLS
4) Largely not care about Starship
5) Restructure NASA to work more on “outreach”.
6) Tweet about space once in a while when something PopSci happens (Perseverence landing, Dearmoon if it happens, etc.)

This isn’t wild speculation this is literally what happened under Obama.

The best thing Trump did was pushing Artemis, as SpaceX got $100 million they didn’t have.

[Anonymous No.11999124]

>>11999115
Artemis is just another half assed reason to keep SLS alive. More funding for science would be a good thing.

[Anonymous No.11999127]

https://www.space.com/firefly-aerospace-alpha-rocket-launch-2020.html

Firefly moving forward and burns a cake.

[Anonymous No.11999128]

>>11999124
I have nothing against climate observatories because I do think Earth science is cool, but holy shit those mental gymnastics to justify canceling Artemis.

[Anonymous No.11999140]

>>11999128
Read
>>11998779
Neither Bush, Obama not Trump or Biden give a fuck about NASA or space. Constellation and SLS is congress mandated jobs programs and none are actual meaningful pushes for long lasting space exploration. Science mission have always been superior investments.

[Anonymous No.11999144]

>>11999128
Climate should be done by someone outside nasa.

Nasa should do 2 things.
1. Make cool shit that flies
2. Send people and robots out into space.

[Anonymous No.11999149]

>>11999128
>>11999144
Climate should be NOAA

[Anonymous No.11999165]

Calling it now, this X will be on every starship and they paint it white or silver

[Anonymous No.11999166]

>>11999140
This. Trump NPCs think he cares about space just because they do.

[Anonymous No.11999168]

Has Blue Origin publicly uttered a single word about New Armstrong or is it just an assumption of the natural progression of their vehicles? Because New Glenn is kinda cool sure, but it seems like an upscaled Falcon 9, being only capable of recovering the first stage. Obviously throwing away ANY part of a ship each flight is untenable for making humanity live out in space as Blue Origin hopes so they must have some kind of larger endgame vehicle planned right?

[Anonymous No.11999174]

>>11999165
They need to start testing tile attachment on falcon launches. Just slap a ring of tgem around the first stage and point a camera at them.

[Anonymous No.11999175]

>>11998989
Are we speaking German?
Is starship German?
The only thing your statement tells me is that Germany should have its coast confiscated.

[Anonymous No.11999176]

>>11999168
>Has Blue Origin publicly uttered a single word about New Armstrong or is it just an assumption of the natural progression of their vehicles?
I think it's just a rumor based upon Blue Origin seemingly preparing for a rocket larger than New Glenn (investigating F-1s, trying to get LC-49, skipped BE-5 and BE-6, etc). No one outside of Blue Origin knows what it really is, and we will probably never know until they make an official statement.

[Anonymous No.11999177]

>>11999140
>>11999166
Trump at least sees the value of space as a strategic domain and a way to demonstrate American superiority, which is good because that's what got us Apollo.
>buh buh buh no he doesn't
Wrong.
>Space Council
>Big Jim
>doubling down on Commercial Crew and Commercial Cargo
>pushing NASA to accelerate moon and Mars astronaut timelines
>legal framework for asteroid mining
>Artemis Accords

[Anonymous No.11999178]

>>11999144
If Climatards are so fucking intent on having better Earth observations, they ought to get their asses in gear and build their own Earth facing telescopes and leave NASA the fuck alone to create rockets or hire people to create rockets to launch them.

[Anonymous No.11999179]

>>11999176
not NA eh?

[Anonymous No.11999181]

>>11999168
No, but it is commonly assumed that Armstrong will likely be around the same size as Starship and be overall pretty similar. Reusable Methalox first stage with several clusters of engines and the like. The second stage may be methalox too but it’s up in the air.

[Anonymous No.11999182]

>>11999178
If they were at all intellectually consistent they'd love Starship. It's big, it's cheap, it's reusable, and its engines convert potent greenhouse gases (methane) to weak ones (CO2, water). Using Starship to launch climate observatories, and using Starlink to put more of the world's economy online to reduce emissions from physically driving around everywhere, should be big wins for them, aside from everything Tesla does.

[Anonymous No.11999183]

>>11999177
Don't waste the keystrokes Anon, if evil quadruple-hitler BRUMPF came out in support of air, TDS sufferers would stop breathing in protest.
Hey, that's not a bad idea actually.

[Anonymous No.11999189]

>>11999177
This. While sure he’s not a /SFG/fag who increases NASA’s budget to $1 trillion a year, he’s the best space president since Reagan. Even Reagan was “okay”.

The dude you’re replying too won’t believe it though so don’t bother

[Anonymous No.11999190]

>>11999177
Are you so naive to fall for his transparent bullshit? Hes trying to get clout from SpaceX's success of an era Obama program. Either way the Presidents don't directly influence space policy. Obama and Bush also had ambitious plans and not much happened.

[Anonymous No.11999192]

>>11999190
Yes, his inaugural address, nominating Big Jim, and putting Pence in charge of the Space Council all before Falcon Heavy had even flown, were about SpaceX succeeding with an Obama program. Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.11999195]

>>11999192
Just as empty as Obama's ad Bush's plans. The only positive thing has been Jim and that's because he likes SpaceX

[Anonymous No.11999197]

>>11999177
>Trump takes credit for the programs started by the previous two presidents
What's pathetic is that his mindless drone supporters believe him.
>>11999183
Do you have actual thoughts or is it just memes?

[Anonymous No.11999198]

>>11999190
>Hes trying to get clout from SpaceX's success of an era Obama program
Wasn't the program started by Bush Jr?

[Anonymous No.11999199]

>>11999198
Yes lol.

[Anonymous No.11999204]

>trump good
>space good
>trump space

>biden bad
>space good
>biden no space

[Anonymous No.11999208]

>>11999197
You should try to lighten up buddy before the TDS pops a blood vessel in your brain. Opining any further than a quick meme though would be wasted on you, and off topic to boot.

[Anonymous No.11999211]

>>11999168
Beyond Blue Origin generally being more secretive than other companies, I think people are more likely to assume they have some type of secret new rocket in the works because Jeff Bezos looks like a supervillain and he is obsessed with upstaging Elon Musk but that may account for much when the company has been proven to be slow and inefficient. If we look at the other spaceflight companies, they're all fucked and have no real plan to counter Starship.

SpaceX will be printing money with Starlink but Blue Origin may struggle for funding because they don't own Project Kuiper. They're probably going to be late into the space tourism market as well. I think in a best case scenario they'll be a far behind number two spaceflight company in the foreseeable future.

[Anonymous No.11999213]

>>11999198
It's just like the fucking economy, it's Obama's when it's doing something good and somebody else's whenever something's going bad. Amazing how somebody who got the maximum number of normal presidential terms can be so completely free of responsibility for all fuckups, even ones which are direct results of their policies.

[Anonymous No.11999214]

Stop screeching about politics. Look at these cute vernier thrusters.

[Anonymous No.11999216]

>>11999204
Cope. Wait until Biden cancels Artemis and watch EverydayEstrogenaut and Scott Mickley come out to say why that’s a good thing and why we need more climate observatories.

[Anonymous No.11999221]

>>11999204
This but unironically.

[Anonymous No.11999223]

>>11999211
Bezos is creepy looking. Elon is actually pretty handsome even as when he’s in /fatfuckmode/. Also Bezos is a slimy worm who cheats on his wife and sends creepy texts while Elon literally hangs musicians and actresses

[Anonymous No.11999224]

>>11999214
They look like little aliens.
>toot toot

[Anonymous No.11999226]

>>11999214
Cute, CUTE! At some point I really want to put something like these together, not specifically a vernier but a rocket of this scale. I would have had a good chunk of the money needed to start such a project saved up if it weren't for this fucking coof and all the absolute histrionic bullshit quarantine that's fucked me out of employment for the past 3+ months.

[Anonymous No.11999231]

>>11999224
They do look like some mechanical pengu.

>>11999226
I wanted to make something of similar scale and got the rug pulled out from under me due to covid too. A plan I had awhile ago was to make a biprop engine ideal for garage mechanics to make, but it didn't really pan out. Now I'm making cheap solid propellant motors, but I might try for a hybrid motor. Good luck with your stuff though.

[Anonymous No.11999232]

>>11999224
I think you mean...
>NOOT NOOT

[Anonymous No.11999233]

>>11999198
It had its starts with Bush in Commercial cargo to ISS by private providers but Commercial Crew that lead to Dragon and Starliner began in 2010.

[Anonymous No.11999241]

>>11999233
>If only you knew I had to fly on Starliner

[Anonymous No.11999253]

>>11999233
That is giving the sickness and selling the cure. Obama was the person who finally decided to retire the shuttle and now he is getting credit for the very late replacement of it that cost taxpayers billions extra and damaged America's reputation, and I say that as someone who isn't American. Very few things should be considered more shameful than begging the Russians for flights.

[Anonymous No.11999255]

>>11999232
>NEWT NEWT

[Anonymous No.11999259]

>>11999253

The Shuttle program had Soyuz purchases. Constellation also had Soyuz purchases.

[Anonymous No.11999264]

>>11999232
Pat the noot noot thruster.

[Anonymous No.11999267]

>>11999253

The space shuttle was cancelled in the previous admin, it just fell in Obama's lap when he became pres.

[Anonymous No.11999272]

>>11999253
The shuttle's mess began even before Bush Jr. What are you on about?

[Anonymous No.11999273]

>>11999253
Bush Jr cancelled the shuttle.

[Anonymous No.11999297]

>>11999259
Those should be considered optional purchases. There was nothing optional about having zero human spaceflight capability for years. You were publicly fucked by the Russians in front of the rest of the world and were helpless as they kept increasing prices.
>>11999267
>>11999272
>>11999273
It officially retired under Obama. He could have extended it and chose not to, just like he canned the Constellation program in 2010. He had no love for the commercialization of spaceflight, he only started Commercial Crew because it allowed for lower funding which he then frivolously spent elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.11999309]

>>11999297
>He could have extended
No. The shuttle was destined to fail because of the retarded requests from the military. It should have been canned by the year 2000. The politics that lead to Constellation and SLS being a mess have nothing to do with any president.

[Anonymous No.11999320]

>>11999297
Obama was a piece of shit. People only liked him because he was black and because the media sucked him off 24/7, but he actually sucked as a president.

[Anonymous No.11999323]

>>11997788
Mechanical counter pressure suits are definitely the future, but they still have unsolved material science problems. Hard shell suits like the ax-2 and ax-3 seem like they could be deployed relatively soon, and from looking at images of the ax-2 suit it almost seems like you could take that exact suit out of storage and just start using it. It also seems like it could be built relatively cheaply.

[Anonymous No.11999327]

>>11999323
We need to find a material that could absorb or reflect radiation well enough to enable human exploration of europa and io

[Anonymous No.11999332]

>>11999309
Are you saying it was impossible to have extended shuttle missions after 2011 with funding from Obama's NASA Authorization Act of 2010? The shuttle should have been retired decades ago, no one is arguing otherwise, but it should have only been retired with a viable alternative, it wasn't, and that is solely Obama's fault. It's also possible that the Ares I would have been ready for Crew Dragon if he didn't tear down the Constellation program.

Unironically "thanks Obama".

[Anonymous No.11999333]

>>11999309
This, if anyone's to blame it's the Chairforce.

[Anonymous No.11999337]

>>11999214

[Anonymous No.11999340]

>>11999323
Lmao look at the top of his heeeeeead

[Anonymous No.11999344]

>>11999332
Nonsense. The alternative should have been in development long before Obama and that was Constellation. The Ares I was a clusterfuck deathtrap and again it goes back to Shuttle contractor bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11999347]

>>11999344
I hope SLS kills somebody or RUD's into the shadow realm on its maiden flight so the whole thing is shut down and all the contractors live the rest of their lives in infamy.

[Anonymous No.11999349]

>>11999327
A hardsuit at least should suffice, since it can obviously be built much heavier and out of much denser materials compared to a softsuit. Also with properly hardened cameras there's no real necessity for a transparent, unshielded faceplate.

[Anonymous No.11999351]

>>11999344
Astronauts dying on Ares or the Shuttle would have been less embarrassing and tragic than losing US spaceflight capability for years. It's not like Obama was against contractor bullshit either, he funded SLS.

[Anonymous No.11999353]

'bama didn't even fully fund Commercial Crew.

[Anonymous No.11999356]

'Bama is a fucking nigger.

[Anonymous No.11999357]

>>11998694
so I guess it serves as a place for paying customers to stay while they wait to go up in their rocket and for facility tourists / rocket launch watchers

[Anonymous No.11999360]

>>11999349
A camera failure would be scary as fuck. You'd be stuck on the Martian surface like Helen Keller. You could probably get away with two little peepholes and a simple mirror/magnification system that gives you a large FOV though... that would minimize glass and radiation exposure

[Anonymous No.11999363]

>>11999360
what about camera and then in an emergency you can release some latches and slide the shielded faceplate off for a regular glass one underneath?

[Anonymous No.11999364]

>>11999351
That was cooking long before 2008. How is Constellation's failure Obama's fault? NASA can't just create a launch vehicle from thin air.
You're still failing to see that a President doesn't sit around and plan what NASA does. They're controlled by congress.

[Anonymous No.11999368]

>>11999084
They've already advertised for Tesla

[Anonymous No.11999371]

>>11999360
If you make the cameras as sturdy as the current visors are, there should be no problem unless you somehow manage to slam your head so hard into something that the impact could shatter quartz. On top of that, by having a solid head/torso piece with a thick outer shell you could make plenty of space for redundancy. Even if you lost some of them the others could preserve your vision and you could return to a hab or ship to have the optic replaced.
It's not as if high quality cameras are large or particularly delicate these days, you could almost just use a couple redundant sets of Iphone cams recessed under protective quartz blisters at this point.

[Anonymous No.11999374]

>>11999038
https://spacenews.com/democratic-platform-calls-for-continuity-in-nasa-programs/
From a few weeks ago, regarding Biden
>Space was not an issue during the race for the nomination, and his campaign did not respond to a brief set of questions from SpaceNews on space issues last September or in February.

[Anonymous No.11999376]

>>11999363
>>11999371
Okay kind of a dumb question on my end by why even replace a glass helmet? Does it have something to do with Martian radiation? Or is it just for safety in case your helmet breaks

[Anonymous No.11999380]

>>11999364
>How is Constellation's failure Obama's fault?
It was his own act that cancelled Constellation and he was one of the most vocal opponents against the program. I'm not suggesting that Obama has full power over NASA's decisions, but he was steering the ship politically and his actions should by any reasonable standard be considered terrible for spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.11999386]

>>11999347
Would that happen though? It does have a crew abort. Or would the SRBs be what kills the crew in that scenario?

[Anonymous No.11999391]

>>11999386
The SRBs would punch burning holes into the parachutes.

God it would be funny if SLS pulls a SN4 and detonated during the green run and takes out the facility. Like holy shit though it’s been sitting outside for half a year.

[Anonymous No.11999392]

>>11999376
Both, a solid hardsuit can carry more robust radiation shielding everywhere, and if built properly it can act as a true suit of armor. No more worrying about busting your PLSS and dying horrifically of asphyxiation because you tripped and bumped a rock, or busting your visor. You could also somewhat simplify the whole helmet section of the suit by simply integrating it into the chestpiece and having it be a solid unmoving case around the head.

[Anonymous No.11999396]

>>11999374
Their claimed support doesn't even mean anything until they're actually in office. Then it may become Whitey on the Moon 2: Electric Boogaloo and the funding for Artemis will dwindle.

[Anonymous No.11999400]

>>11999386
I think SLS will be fine. It's crew abort system will make it safer than shuttle and (presumably) safer than Ares I. It's still a dumb rocket though lmao I have a feeling something is bound to go wrong somewhere

[Anonymous No.11999404]

>>11999392
How bad is radiation on Mars I feel really retarded for not knowing. Also live by the rock die by the rock; if I go to Mars for geology and a cool outcrop kills me I will accept the fate lmao

[Anonymous No.11999405]

>>11999380
Constellation shouldn't have happened in the first place. It was even more hopeless than SLS after the shitshow that was the Ares I. NASA doesn't even have power over NASA's decisions. Do you actually think anyone in NASA wanted to continue reusing Shuttle hardware? There are many concepts for viable Shuttle replacements by NASA that get posted in these threads all the time. The decisions that lead to NASA's current state were done long before Obama.

[Anonymous No.11999416]

>>11999356
>>11999353
'Bama can suck our collective micro penises.

[Anonymous No.11999420]

>>11998982
Yes.
>>11999416
Thought you were talking shit about Alabama.

[Anonymous No.11999421]

>>11999404
Same bro. If I go to Mars and I die from accidentally falling into my suit life support do be it.

[Anonymous No.11999423]

>>11999404
It's really not that bad, about 30 microsieverts an hour at solar minimum, and 3 milisieverts an hour at solar maximum. I'd imagine this would be further attenuated though using a harsuit, and while 50 milisieverts is the limit for dosage in say industrial or medical work, populations exposed to up to 300 milisieverts a year show little to no long term negative effects. Martian colonists shouldn't have anything to worry about, contamination from dust would be a greater concern than direct UV exposure during excursions.

[Anonymous No.11999429]

>>11999405
So if you were president during this period you would have cancelled both Constellation and the Shuttle and not supported fully funding Commercial Crew despite it being less than 1/3500th of the total federal budget? Both Obama and NASA have culpability, but no one is arguing that NASA didn't fuck up, they're arguing that Obama dindu nuffin'. Other politicians are culpable too but Obama was particularly bad because it increased the time without spaceflight capability and created a large setback that we only recently overcame thanks to SpaceX. The last person who should be given credit in this situation is Obama.

[Anonymous No.11999456]

>>11998747
I fucking hate you

[Anonymous No.11999470]

>>11999429
The president simply doesn't control NASA's budget. The lack of astronaut launches was going to happen anyway because Constellation failed. SLS was proposed because again, congress controls NASA and they wanted to keep the Shuttle jobs alive. Same goes for the funding that congress gave for commercial crew at the time and the bias against SpaceX that certain congressmen have.

[Anonymous No.11999472]

>>11999420
dbz is outstandingly shit, which is impressive considering how bad the rest of anime is. Quit being a faggot.

[Anonymous No.11999480]

>>11999472
Ah, I thought you were one of them moefags who decide that rockets HAVE to be drawn as le cute 'totallly not generic' anime girls, my bad

[Anonymous No.11999488]

>>11999470
>>11999429
I have to repeat myself again, but the politics that lead that situation long predate Obama

[Anonymous No.11999502]

>>11999480
there's absolutely nothing wrong with generic anime girls, especially when you dress them up in pretty clothes or change the shape of their face or change the color of their hair

[Anonymous No.11999506]

>>11999174
They’re probably closer, development-wise, at testing them on Starship itself. 20 km hop isn’t that far away.

[Anonymous No.11999511]

>>11999470
>The president simply doesn't control NASA's budget.
He literally wrote the NASA Authorization Act of 2010 and specifically requested the budget that would be given to NASA. He could have increased the budget at his discretion, instead he decided to cut funding, and it passed without any real provisions. The gap in human spaceflight persisted because of the lack of funding for Commercial Crew, this has been alluded to by SpaceX and Elon Musk. I don't care if you like Obama personally, it doesn't matter, but you should be able to admit he made a bad situation worse.

[Anonymous No.11999554]

Starlink test

https://www.speedtest.net/result/9898715719

[Anonymous No.11999565]

>>11999554
Ajit Pai on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.11999574]

>>11999554
>My shitty internet has lower ping than Starlink
OH NO NO NO, it's all over for them. They will never recover or get closer ground stations.

[Anonymous No.11999575]

>>11999554
that's like 4x faster than the shitnet I can get here in california, sign me the fuck up

[Anonymous No.11999593]

>>11999511
>He literally wrote the NASA Authorization Act of 2010
That's not written by the president himself and it carries the after mentioned problems that have literally been going on since the 90's.
by cutting funding do you mean the cut in funding for ending Constellation. Commercial crew should have been funded more obviously, but at the time SpaceX was yet to fly cargo to ISS and it had many naysayers in the government. Hindsight is 20/20
>I don't care if you like Obama personally, it doesn't matter, but you should be able to admit he made a bad situation worse.
As I've said before not a single president cares about space, and I never liked SLS, but at the time all the intense lobbying that had been going on for decades were too deep rooted. No one wanted to be the person to leave thousands of high payed workers unemployed hence why SLS still lives on today. Same with Artemis, more contractor jobs.

[Anonymous No.11999604]

>>11998607
>Constellation being worth anything

[Anonymous No.11999610]

>>11999554
That's better than what I get for $80/mo near fucking downtown Houston, and this is at 5% constellation deployment.
The entire rural community of every country that Starlink is allowed to serve will be clamoring to shove money into Elon's face.

[Anonymous No.11999611]

>>11999554
Source?

[Anonymous No.11999627]

>>11999593
You're splitting hairs, it was written at his direction and he had complete control over the budget that they were requesting as well as any cancellations or continuations of NASA programs over the next four years. It was possible that the house and congress would have altered the budget but that didn't happen. Funding to numerous programs were cut, including commercial crew which is the most egregious because the full amount would barely be any spending out of the three plus trillion dollar budget and it was his own directive, he had an obligation to bring back spaceflight capability in a timely manner. If it wasn't for the efforts of SpaceX in the face of inadequate funding, we would have gone over a decade without any US capability. Commercial Crew was a success in spite of Obama, not because of him.

I'm just going to stop responding because this is going in circles and it's old news.

[Anonymous No.11999636]

>>11999604
Yeah, the one the front fell off? That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point

[Anonymous No.11999639]

Chinese manned flyby/landing for space race 2.0 when?

[Anonymous No.11999646]

>>11999627
Do you really think Obama or any president knows about the latest promising engine design? They're just given some numbers written by others. You're giving the president too much credit and agency when in matters like this he just listens to advisors who said "yeah that new HLV will totally work I'm told and it will be a popular decision". The government administration of NASA is rotten to the core.

[Anonymous No.11999650]

>>11999646
>Do you really think Obama or any president knows about the latest promising engine design?
No, I simply think the president is responsible for his actions and he should be judged accordingly regardless of his personal knowledge on the subject. There is zero need to defend someone with that much influence and power.

[Anonymous No.11999651]

>>11999593
>>11999627
>caring about republicans or democrats
>my liberals are better then your liberals
>not caring about the father of space travel
shame anons....shame

[Anonymous No.11999657]

>>11999651
> Vandal of London, "Father of space travel"

R-7 family is still used, Saturn V is a dead bitch.

[Anonymous No.11999660]

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1293250111821295616
Some fun Berger tweets
>After speaking to a few leaders in the traditional aerospace community it seems like a *lot* of skepticism about Starship remains post SN5. Now, they've got a ways to go. But if your business model is premised on SpaceX failing at building rockets, history is against you.
>Everything from "They shouldn't be blowing up that many tanks" to "It's a stunt" to "they're not close to solving the technical problems."

[Anonymous No.11999664]

>>11999657
Russia also has the 2nd most cucked space program after ESA

[Anonymous No.11999665]

$700+ billion NASA budget!

Grand program to perform manned return flybys of all planets plus the Sun, Pluto, Ceres!

Space habitat as US state!

[Anonymous No.11999666]

iSatellites by Apple when?

[Anonymous No.11999671]

>>11999657
>getting mad over a few dead people in a war
lol

[Anonymous No.11999673]

>>11999666
hopefully never double satan

[Anonymous No.11999674]

>>11999665
Fund it. Throw some more money in there to look for hot alien babes.

t. me as the president

[Anonymous No.11999678]

>>11999660
Well to be fair a lot about Starship is unknown at the moment. SpaceX has yet to build the first stage or fly one for more than a minute. They also have yet to demonstrate the ability to have 31 raptors firing at once without collapsing the ship.

Remember though that even an expendable Starship costs less than $100 million to build, and a Partially Reusable one likely costs as much as a vanilla Falcon 9 launch.

[Anonymous No.11999680]

N1-style failures for first manned used of Starship!

[Anonymous No.11999684]

Just wanting to keep myself out of an echochamber: Is there anyone here who unironically supports left-wing views. Specifically, people who defend Obama's actions w/ regard to NASA and spaceflight? Extra points if you seriously, unironically 100% support Marxism and progressive politics.
...Just trying to get some interesting new perspectives on spaceflight. Not trying to argue politics

[Anonymous No.11999685]

>>11999680
>N1-style failures for first manned used of Starship!

[Anonymous No.11999694]

Let's be very honest again. We don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. Falcon 9 Heavy may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis... I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry.

[Anonymous No.11999696]

>>11999674
Also, tell Boeing they have one full year to launch SLS with some of their executives on it. Any failure will mean they will be forever cut off from public funding.

[Anonymous No.11999699]

are modular satellites actually a thing irl
redpill me on satellite design

t. trying to make common satellite bus for all the basic orbital contracts in ksp

[Anonymous No.11999700]

>>11999684
Posadist-Tankie here.

NASA needs a trillion-dollar budget and there needs to a space-industrial complex to consume and overwhelm the military-industrial one. There needs to be orbital habitats over all the planets of the solar system and over the dwarfs and the Sun as well. Progressive change in society must be achieved by forced progressive change in technology.

Give all black Americans Pluto as reparations. Switch the American military stance from endless wars of intervention to strong deterrence with nuclear railguns on the moon and fractional orbital bombardment systems.

Actually force minorities at gunpoint to produce scientific research instead of mere tokenry as NASA representatives.

Flyby Alpha-Centauri and if there is a habitable planet, deport criminals there.

Push for Mexicans and other third world countries to have space colonization programs so they colonize space instead of immigrating to American cities.

Failing that, push for China to become a spacefaring power so that a space race happens again from American fear of a Chinese solar system.

[Anonymous No.11999704]

>>11999700
BASED

[Anonymous No.11999706]

>>11999699
Yes. Look up “Modular Common Spacecraft Bus”. It’s only flown once though but it’s supposed to be modular. In real life many satellites use the same bus but have some different attachments.

For example, ESA’s Herschel and Planck telescopes used the same bus, but had different instruments.

[Anonymous No.11999712]

>>11999694
I can’t tell if Charlie Bolden is retarded or not because his logic is shit tier.

>Falcon Heavy is three Falcon 9’s strapped together
>Falcon 9 has indeed flown before
>Bolden even admits that Falcon Heavy is “just” three Falcon 9’s strapped together
>He still thinks Falcon Heavy is untested and may not ever fly
>”Oh idk if Falcon Heavy will fly no one’s tested the components yet haha”

What stupid goddamn logic is that?

[Anonymous No.11999715]

>>11999712
Had to justify the continued existence of the SLS program

[Anonymous No.11999723]

>>11999715
Charlie it’s time to defend SLS
>Yes massa Boeing

[Anonymous No.11999734]

>>11999684
>left-wing views
Meaningless statement since commies also made strides in spaceflight so in regard with this topic it's irrelevant.
>people who defend Obama's actions w/ regard to NASA and spaceflight
I haven't defended Obama. The government has mismanaged NASA for decades and it became a funding agency for guaranteeing certain contractor's existence. Obama was part of the problem but also was Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Trump. I also think the president has limited agency with what happens in NASA.
>support Marxism and progressive politics
Not the same thing. Marxism is retarded but I do support progressive social politics. Like I said it has little to do with spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.11999741]

>>11999734
There absolutely needs to be a third dimension for any political compass with regards to space exploration, an axis for "gravity-bound" and "newtype"

[Anonymous No.11999752]

>November 24 Hohmann window to Mercury
> no missions

[Anonymous No.11999755]

>>11999752
dont worry bro boopiscolumbia will be getting there ANY DECADE NOW

[Anonymous No.11999760]

>>11999723
essentially

[Anonymous No.11999774]

>>11999752
I keep getting this background sense of dread about Perseverance missing this synod before I remember that it already launched. It's like those dreams about not having studied for a test despite not having been in school for years.

[Anonymous No.11999776]

>>11999700
>Actually force minorities at gunpoint to produce scientific research instead of mere tokenry as NASA representatives
lmao they'd be functionally extinct in a decade

[Anonymous No.11999786]

>>11999774
Fuck I hate high school dreams.

[Anonymous No.11999797]

>>11999700
>Give all black Americans Pluto as reparations.
no

[Anonymous No.11999806]

>>11999700
>Give all Black Americans an ocean world

Lmao

[Anonymous No.11999819]

>>11999680
It's likely 100's of unmanned Starship flight before a manned Starship, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.11999827]

>>11999786
I just know that a couple thousand years from now when I'm a cyborg chilling in interstellar space, I'm going to have a meditation vision where I forgot to put my completed homework in my backpack before going to school.

[Anonymous No.11999829]

>>11999827
It’s funny to think that in our unaltered lifetimes we may see life extension that can help us end up living thousands of years.

These are great days bro’s.

>Colonization of the Moon and Mars in the 2030s
>Colonization of the outer planets in the 2050s-2060s.
>Transhumanism actually happens

[Anonymous No.11999836]

>>11999774
same but with SN5 hopping

[Anonymous No.11999865]

>>11999699
It's the basic idea behind Rocket Lab's Photon, a combo kickstage / satellite bus.

[Anonymous No.11999866]

>>11999684
Obama was correct when he cancelled Constellation, everything else he did was garbo and fuck leftists
he even did Commercial Crew wrong

[Anonymous No.11999871]

>>11999660
OldSpace can't see whats ahead of them. Only what's behind them. They still think SpaceX is flying fake rockets and not a "real" rocket company.

Once Starship makes it to orbit, they'll wake up the next day and move on to "ITS ONLY ORBIT, ITS NOT MARS!!!!" logic. Traditional people can't be convinced.

[Anonymous No.11999891]

>>11999866
Cancelling Constellation was excusable because it never would’ve worked anyways.

Underfunding commercial crew was retarded though.

[Anonymous No.11999897]

>>11999891
CCDev should have been under the exact same kind of agreement as COTS, but it wasn't, it was a more traditional agreement that gave NASA much more power to meddle than COTS did

[Anonymous No.11999914]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I55LkRz3Gok
contemplate the aroma

[Anonymous No.11999952]

>>11999865
>>11999706
well I fucked around for a few hours trying different probe cores and procedural shapes, but I ended up just making them buckets with some RCS and a pair of solar panels on them because fuck everything

[Anonymous No.11999957]

>>11999952
Looks perfect bro. As Astra per Aspera

[Anonymous No.11999961]

So if Starship has a said I would she be very gassy and farting all the time? And would she be smelly? I’m just curious.

>Starship-Chan
>She’s the 6 foot 6 Volleyball player who has a bright future
>She always wears a bunch of makeup that is super shiny
>She has bowel problems though and farts a lot
>She also smells like methane 24/7
> She spends all her time hanging out with Ms. Saturn V, who used to be the hottest girl in school baxk when she went there 20 years ago.

[Anonymous No.11999963]

https://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Space_Engines/Rocketdyne_Engines.htm

[Anonymous No.11999967]

>>11999961
methane doesn't have much of a smell, farts smell due to sulfur compounds (of which purified methane has none)

[Anonymous No.11999987]

>>11999952
>>11999957
we bucketlink soon bros

[Anonymous No.11999995]

How does spacex plan to launc so many sattelites in orbit without ruining framerate for everyone?

[Anonymous No.12000016]

[Anonymous No.12000018]

>>12000016
imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.12000024]

>>12000018
>salty wetlands, fresh iron, salty ironworkers
home

[Anonymous No.12000040]

>>12000016
I love how you can distinguish SN5 from all the others thanks to its cute little hat

[Anonymous No.12000046]

>>12000040
>cute little hat
that's a twenty ton chunk of steel, anon

[Anonymous No.12000077]

>TFW born just a BIT too early to see cool depots and terraforming
Bros all we are going to get is a few hundred or thousand people living on an outpost living day to day on Earth resupplies. We might have been born to early to see Mars producing stuff and selling it like the early american colonies. We might not ever get depots other than a small shitty ULA one. We only get to experience the dull beginning like the pre-colonial and pre-exploration past of Earth

[Anonymous No.12000084]

i wonder how close this will be to how SN8 looks

[Anonymous No.12000090]

>>12000084
It won't have a pig on the side.

[Anonymous No.12000093]

>>12000090
i know, i was more talking about the aero surfaces and the welds

[Anonymous No.12000116]

dc-x WHEN
lockheed lander WHEN

[Anonymous No.12000118]

>>12000077
>We only get to experience the dull beginning like the pre-colonial and pre-exploration past of Earth
Hardly. With such cheap yeetage we might see 10x or more the number of science and exploration missions compared to now, including such massive space telescopes that we might even image extra-solar planets and confirm that life exists off Earth. Which would be nice

[Anonymous No.12000128]

>>12000118
It'll be cool to have a world where small groups of people can finance and construct their own space telescopes, satellites, etc etc, and where NEO asteroid mining and moon mining is actually viable.

[Anonymous No.12000141]

>>12000128
>/pol/ puts a toy Nazi flying saucer in lunar orbit to fuck with /x/

[Anonymous No.12000157]

>mix up payloads and launch sat into the orbit a different customer wanted
>haha woops
>launch the sat that was supposed to go to that orbit
>RCS fucks up somehow and it goes into uncontrollable spinning after separation from upper stage
oh well good thing you guys bought launch insurance right

[Anonymous No.12000190]

why isn't there anyone other than maybe scott manlet that makes /sfg/ related videos that aren't physically painful to listen to

[Anonymous No.12000196]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DacGl9drefg
*inhales*

[Anonymous No.12000199]

>>12000196
mach diamonds make my penis the big penis

[Anonymous No.12000216]

take the bucketpill bros

[Anonymous No.12000235]

>>12000216
NOOOO SPACE NEEDS TO BE AESTHETIC

[Anonymous No.12000297]

>>12000116
>mars atv

[Anonymous No.12000301]

>>11999214
Baby Daleks.

[Anonymous No.12000311]

>>11999611
The source is right there man, the result link.

[Anonymous No.12000315]

>>11999423
Very interesting. Thank you. I’m beginning to jump on the hardsuit train, because counterpressure suits are starting to seem like a meme to me

[Anonymous No.12000449]

>>12000297
Wouldn't that be useful though?
>trailers
>EVA further
>carry oxygen for longer EVAs
>carry bigger equipment

[Anonymous No.12000454]

>>11999554
I get 1000mbit for 35$/month

[Anonymous No.12000468]

>>12000454
Very nice, but Starlink is not for you. I get 350/35 for fuck all too and Starlink is not for me either.
It was never meant to replace regular internet, it was meant to replace the people stuck on single pair of copper stretched beyond its limit in rural communities and shitty third world countries.

[Anonymous No.12000486]

depots are inherently wasteful
just launch the fuel when you need it dumbfucks

[Anonymous No.12000511]

>>12000190
Such a shame he is a huge cuck

[Anonymous No.12000516]

>>12000468
I thougt it was meant for wall street, and them being able to buy and sell useless shit faster

[Anonymous No.12000519]

>>12000516
Why the fuck would they need that? They have the fattest fiber available on the planet. They don't need a piddling 20ms connection.

[Anonymous No.12000531]

>>12000519
Starlink would be faster overseas with sat links, than fiber

[Anonymous No.12000540]

>>12000519
fiber is pretty slow for things like that though, low orbit can get you much lower pings if processing delays are minimized
currently they are just building microwave links all over the place for HFT and shit like that, but that takes money and you only get a connection between those two points instead of wherever you want it with satellites

[Anonymous No.12000543]

>>12000531
>>12000540
It's a very nice theory, but it's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.12000548]

>>12000543
you do know that speed of light in a fiber cable is not the same thing as speed of light in a vacuum right

[Anonymous No.12000559]

>>12000548
Think he is a brainlet

[Anonymous No.12000691]

>>12000454
Have 200/200 and I might still buy it for the cabin and camping trips. Fast internet will finally be literally everywhere
Future is bright

[Anonymous No.12000704]

>>12000486
Depots can reach near zero boil-off, so where is the waste?
Last I checked starship would need 6 refuel launches to fill up, how are you gonna organize that when you have 100+ starships leaving for mars in a small window? Easier to do it between launch windows overtime to spread out the logistics of such an event.

[Anonymous No.12000707]

>>12000704
>Easier to do it between launch windows overtime to spread out the logistics of such an event.
That's what they're going to do, using Starships alone. No secondary development projects to build permanent depots. Just fill up Tankers in orbit and bring them down afterward.

[Anonymous No.12000715]

>>12000707
Why bring them down at all? You're wasting resource that could be used to build other normal starships by leaving fuel starships in LEO for long periods.

[Anonymous No.12000723]

>>12000691
So would I. For me a connection the musknet is a must.

[Anonymous No.12000743]

>>12000704
I'd say because depots don't actually resolve that logistics problem, they just add yet another extra step to it. Now instead of launching one Starship and (I think it was 4, not 6) tankers to refuel it, you need to launch some kind of structure which can hold several Starships worth of propellants safely for prolonged periods of time, then you'll need to actually fill it which will require probably dozens of tanker flights, and then after all that you can finally use it to refuel a handfull of ships. Considering the desired turnaround of two flights a day, this doesn't seem particularly necessary.
Assuming five superheavy boosters you'd only need to start about two months ahead of your desired launch date assuming 500 launches to prepare 100 ships.
Depots make sense if you want quick turnaround for vehicles coming and going, it might make more sense for magnetoplasma rockets which use much smaller quantities of propellant and have the kind of delta-v to be performing multiple trips between planets. As is it seems like it would be easier for Starships to just perform orbital refueling without the intermediary of a depot, and once they're at Mars ISRU propellant manufacture will be much more efficient than spending yet more ships to establish a Martian depot as well.

[Anonymous No.12000762]

Arecibo on the fritz

[Anonymous No.12000772]

>ELON MUSK WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A FIELD! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!

[Anonymous No.12000777]

>>12000772
just realised should be bezos, my bad

[Anonymous No.12000782]

>>12000762
Hey I've played this map in bf4

[Anonymous No.12000790]

>>12000743
All of this relies on the thought that starship and superheavy will have a super quick turn around, which I highly doubt they will. Once you make the turn around more than a week, depots are pretty much the only way to go.

[Anonymous No.12000791]

>>12000762
Looks like the set of Jurassic Park.

[Anonymous No.12000804]

>>12000790
I haven't seen any reasoning from anyone so far that would indicate that fast turnaround for a reusable rocket isn't possible, except for the oft mocked "but space is haaard!" argument which has already failed multiple times to stand up to real world accomplishments.

[Anonymous No.12000843]

>>12000519
Because a half of the world population don't have Internet due to lack of ground infrastructure, with LEO internet, you only need a single terminal and power to connect everywhere.

[Anonymous No.12000844]

>>12000843
Yes, it's for middle of bumfuck nowhere where infrastructure consists of a single pair of copper installed prior to WW2 stretched beyond its limit. Not really for the NYSE.

[Anonymous No.12000849]

>>12000804
this goes back to >>11999660

There will always be detractors and the more successful you become the more they have to double-down. SpaceX are the only ones publically trying to develop this technology so they're the easy target for all the armchair aerospace engineers to attack, along with oldspace too of course. It's not 2005 anymore, sensible people have learned to give SpaceX the benefit of the doubt at this point, and all the people nitpicking every specific goal Elon throws out there just look dumb.

[Anonymous No.12000855]

>>11998908
>so does China.
They need to git gud first.

[Anonymous No.12000872]

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