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[Anonymous No.11842636]

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[Anonymous No.11842643]

[Anonymous No.11842644]

Why would you launch a whale into space

[Anonymous No.11842646]

>>11842644
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.11842658]

>falcon 9: 5.2m
>vulcan: 5.4m
>picture depicts a fairing that is over 1/3 larger
am i being trolled?

[Anonymous No.11842664]

>>11842646
Ignore him.

[Anonymous No.11842668]

GPS III SV03 is big news, looks like the airforce is going to have a hard time being openly corrupt after Muggets took them to court.

[Anonymous No.11842671]

>>11842668
>looks like the airforce is going to have a hard time being openly corrupt
lolno

[Anonymous No.11842673]

>>11842636
This needs a starship version

[Anonymous No.11842674]

>>11842658
its depicting the width

[Anonymous No.11842678]

>>11842658
No, you are just retarded.

[Anonymous No.11842683]

>>11842636
Thinking about picking up KSP on the summer sale. Is it worth getting the DLC, or is the base game all I need?

[Anonymous No.11842690]

>>11842683
DLC is nice to have but far from needed, also good time to get into KSP as v1.1 releases soon and looks like it'll be the last major update.

[Anonymous No.11842696]

>>11842678
>didn't even notice the scales
yes i am.

[Anonymous No.11842697]

>>11842644
Due to whale's immense psychic powers they are used as part of the planetary defense grid

[Anonymous No.11842700]

>>11842697
>tfw no orbital Whalelink network to ward off malign influence of Saturn on human psyche

[Anonymous No.11842702]

>>11842700
Why do you think Starlink exists?

[Anonymous No.11842707]

>>11842702

[Anonymous No.11842729]

>Primary Date June 29, 2020 8:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. Closure Canceled
Mexican welders slacking again.

[Anonymous No.11842733]

>>11842729
>bulds automated cars in robotic factory
>used mexican welders
He brought this on himself, robotic welders have been a thing for decades.

[Anonymous No.11842744]

>>11842733
>build an assembly line to churn out prototypes whose construction changes after every one to two units produced
No. Even once the design is finalized the first mostly automated assembly line will take at least as long as the entire project so far.

[Anonymous No.11842774]

>>11842636
Have you heard about the Moroccan girl who won Race2Space ?
Her + all those insta girls with contact in NASA
Are they the future astronauts ?

[Anonymous No.11842782]

>>11842774
>following NASA educational outreach efforts
I only know of one person who has this kind of time
>Are they the future astronauts ?
Probably. How many people are going to be going into orbit on the regular when they grow up, thousands every year on SS?

[Anonymous No.11842784]

>>11842636
>that pic

[Anonymous No.11842786]

>>11842782
>I only know of one person who has this kind of time
Who ?
They will lower their standard or just lower down the limit of the contests ? Will it be the same for the ESA ?

[Anonymous No.11842787]

>>11842774
>Race2Space
Muh less fortunate kids means nothing. Their upbringing alone will probably leave them less able than a normal kid. Also NASA is irrelevant, noone will care what they are doing when they get to the moon again after elon already has buildings on mars

[Anonymous No.11842802]

>>11842786
>Who ?
dw bout it kek
>They will lower their standard
I mean, who knows, but probably right? It would be weirder if they kept to a stable of double digits handpicked ex-mil when the space-faring populace starts to expand.

[Anonymous No.11842803]

>>11842787
Racist

[Anonymous No.11842811]

>>11842784
It has less with Southpark to do and more with a certain Brit writing about Whales spontaneously coming into existence alongside bowls of petunias.

[Anonymous No.11842815]

>>11842811
Talk about a stretch.
"Oh no, not again"

[Anonymous No.11842821]

>>11842668
literally unironically seriously wut mate

[Anonymous No.11842823]

>>11842784
>>11842811
Lurk the fuck more.

[Anonymous No.11842852]

>you look up with your telescope and see this

[Anonymous No.11842853]

>In 2068 to remove the overpopulation of ULA deployed whales on the Lunar surface Japan was given an official license to put whalers on the moon and carry a harpoon. If there were no whales they could tell tall tales and sing a whaling tune

[Anonymous No.11842858]

Since spacecraft can be seen for thousands of miles, how would space piracy work? Would it just be intellectual piracy, where information concepts and designs are stolen in some way over the interplanetary communication network? Would "actual" piracy be done only by the most well equipped against the least armed? Would piracy only be done at centers of trade undercover, such as tricking people to put the wrong payloads on the wrong ships and try to have no one notice the mistake until it's too late?

[Anonymous No.11842859]

>>11842852
Would lunar city lights be bright enough to see unassisted, say during a new or partial moon? Not full, for obvious reasons.

[Anonymous No.11842863]

>>11842702
Mainly for cia black budget usage which needs tor access in remote areas. Something I highly approve of
Go strong gmen

[Anonymous No.11842868]

Redpill me on Ariane and ESA as a whole, better than China?

[Anonymous No.11842870]

>>11842859
realistically i doubt lunar cities will give off light since they'll be underground

[Anonymous No.11842873]

Where the rovers at

[Anonymous No.11842879]

Post your /sfg/ filenames

[Anonymous No.11842881]

>>11842852
>no aurora
Fails to artisically anticipate the artificial magnetosphere

[Anonymous No.11842884]

>>11842870
Maybe some surface navigation lights then? At least some indicator of where something is.

[Anonymous No.11842885]

>>11842858
During the Somali piracy crisis cargo ships could see Somali mother ships deploy raiding skiffs from miles away but the response was so slow and ineffective that only when an actual military presence was deployed on the trade route it was finally brought under control. Another problem was that allowing armed security on ships was frowned upon until recent years. I can see the same kind of mentality pass onto space before enough incidents happen that ships are actually capable of defending themselves but first raiding space convoys would have to be financially viable which could be centuries or even a millennia away. We could perhaps see state sponsored piracy sooner however just like during the age of sail and the conflicts between European nations.

[Anonymous No.11842887]

>>11842858
i doubt there will be piracy with NEO objects or major travel routes between the earth, mars, and ceres, but i could see piracy flourishing in the belt since stealth is a bit more viable there

[Anonymous No.11842891]

>>11842868
China is growing its launch capacity faster than ESA, for what that's worth. They're obviously less sophisticated and probably won't ever be allowed to piggyback SpaceX though, so ESA will continue to have more sophisticated operations actually in space. Both are extreme also-rans.

[Anonymous No.11842893]

>>11842879

[Anonymous No.11842901]

>>11842885
Being a pirate sounds lots of fun

[Anonymous No.11842911]

>>11842879

[Anonymous No.11842914]

>>11842901
>ywn set out from Musk City on Mars under a privateer contract from SpaceX to capture demo Starliner from LEO and hold it for ransom

[Anonymous No.11842917]

>>11842863
>cia black budget usage which needs tor access in remote area
???
Also. Where the secret funds come from ?

[Anonymous No.11842922]

>>11842914
Reminder that Israel lost a moon mission because they cheaped out on materials and didn't use enough (propellant) gas on descent.

Also reminder that both Challenger and Columbia had a Jew on board.

[Anonymous No.11842926]

>>11842917
it's the cia?

[Anonymous No.11842928]

>>11842917
>>Where the secret funds come from
>itemize new toilet for base as costing $500
>spend $20 on actual toilet, put $480 which is now 'spent' into separate fund
Repeat

[Anonymous No.11842937]

>>11842636
Who thought a blue whale makes for a good gauge of scale? 99.999% of people have no real world concept of how big a blue whale is.

[Anonymous No.11842941]

>>11842937
Blue whales don’t exist Scientifically speaking. They’re actually a sub tribe of crabs

[Anonymous No.11842942]

>>11842937
>99.999% of people have no real world concept of how big a blue whale is.
No. Lots of people know exactly how big your mom is.

[Anonymous No.11842943]

>>11842937
the scale is usually buses, whales and wales (the country).

[Anonymous No.11842944]

>>11842941
This guy gets it

[Anonymous No.11842949]

>>11842922
>jewish spacecraft
>didn't use enough gas

[Anonymous No.11842951]

>>11842949
Did it use hydrazine or something for the landing burn? That’s weird if it did

[Anonymous No.11842953]

>>11842821
GPS 3 is going to be a shitload of launches, the fact ULA isn't getting all of them makes me think Musk actually got results when he pointed out in court the 3 airforce guys responsible for choosing launch providers were literally on ULAs payroll.

[Anonymous No.11842960]

>>11842859
>>11842870
>>11842884
I wouldn't be surprised if they pointed some bright lights at earth for the inspiration / PR factor.

[Anonymous No.11842968]

>>11842953
>the 3 airforce guys responsible for choosing launch providers were literally on ULAs payroll.
How is that even allowed?

[Anonymous No.11842969]

>>11842960
This. Some super bright beacon on the moon would be such a kino addition. Make it send out a morse code message or something

[Anonymous No.11842973]

>>11842951
>According to a preliminary investigation conducted by SpaceIL, a command intended to correct a malfunction in one of the Beresheet spacecraft’s inertial measurement units led to a chain of events that turned off its main engine during landing.

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Beresheet-crash-site-photos-released-by-NASA-589782

[Anonymous No.11842981]

>>11842968
It's not but the people that are legally responsible for prosecuting them are also corrupt, better that everyone lets everyone else off than all of them go to prison.

[Anonymous No.11842982]

https://twitter.com/AstroBehnken/status/1276935650583994368

[Anonymous No.11842983]

>>11842982
full size image

[Anonymous No.11843002]

>>11842983
>>11842982
nice

[Anonymous No.11843005]

>>11842643
i fucking hate that soiboi so fucking much

[Anonymous No.11843017]

>>11842879

[Anonymous No.11843019]

>>11843017
it's hypergolic tho

[Anonymous No.11843023]

>>11843019
>smaller rocket
>more tonnage
>reusable
Is this magic?

[Anonymous No.11843030]

>>11843023
This is why hydrolox first stages are bad.

[Anonymous No.11843034]

>>11843023
hydrolox first stages are a meme here for a reason.

[Anonymous No.11843041]

>>11843019
>roughly the same payload size as the Saturn I
>larger than a Saturn I
Imagine if SpaceX never came to the scene, there would be rockets as big as SLS and billed as such but could only deliver the same amount of payload as an Electron, and that would be seen as standard.

[Anonymous No.11843043]

>>11842928
No one get the con ?

[Anonymous No.11843049]

>>11843043
It's not a bug, it's a feature.

[Anonymous No.11843054]

liquid hydrogen is like your perfect girl. perfect at everything except not being a total cunt to deal with in reality.

[Anonymous No.11843076]

>>11843041
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Even if Starship fails at a lot of its objectives, it would still be totally revolutionary. Even if it-

>Put 50 tons into LEO
>Cost $50 Million per launch
>Was unable to go to mars

It would still BTFO every rocket currently flying or planned to fly for at least a decade or two.

I’m genuinely worried about what a timeline without SpaceX would’ve looked like. And we were close to this too, as they just had one more Falcon 1 flight before they were done. I know it worked, but still, crazy we almost lived in a world without them.

>Starship doesn’t exist
>Falcon rockets don’t exist
>US Lacks ability to carry cargo back to Earth from the station
>Rely kn probably Lockheed and Boeing for Commercial Crew
>SLS still gets delayed, but we have no other alternatives so we just wave them on.
>Reusable rockets are still a “What if?” Meme.

[Anonymous No.11843104]

>>11843076
musk will go down in history on the level of edison or brunel. i don't even want to suck the guys dick but if you were to do something with the proceeds of a shitty web payment company then doing what he has done is pretty fucking spot on.

[Anonymous No.11843116]

>>11843076
why do people feel the need to constantly say "even if starship fails" at this or that? It seems like you EXPECT it to fail at a lot of stuff

[Anonymous No.11843128]

>>11843104
If he successfully starts a Martian/lunar colony he’ll literally be the most influential man in human history.

Once we colonize another world the gate to colonizing the entire galaxy is suddenly in reach.

>Mfw xeelee was right?

[Anonymous No.11843135]

>>11843076
>Reusable rockets are still a “What if?” Meme
That's just absurd, rockets can't just land backwards on a ship in the middle of the ocean.
That's crazy-talk, real life isn't some 1950s SciFi...

[Anonymous No.11843145]

>>11843116
Anons want to believe, but skepticism compels us to be doubting Thomas. Nobody likes getting their hopes dashed, cautious optimism is ideal.

[Anonymous No.11843161]

>>11843116
once bitten, always shy. we've seen enough bs popsci shite to be sceptical of most of it. that spacex doesn't receive total dismissal and even a hopeful following for their grandiose plans is about as good as you'll get.

[Anonymous No.11843221]

>>11841839
the decomposition issues are extremely overblown

[Anonymous No.11843228]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyGqMZQAMio
;_;

[Anonymous No.11843248]

>>11843228
I love the Apollo dudes but that’s a dick move on their part.

Also what happened to most of the astronauts? They’re literally my heroes. Does anyone have any redpills on shady shit they did or their personal lives?

[Anonymous No.11843250]

>>11843228
I believe they later reversed this opinion, at least Buzz talked to Elon and said they just didn’t believe he could do it but now they enjoy SpaceX. Still though, what a fucking punch in the gut. If Neil Armstrong bad mouthed me I’m pretty sure Id just kill myself at that point

[Anonymous No.11843251]

>>11843248
>I love the Apollo dudes but that’s a dick move on their part.
They recently made nice and congratulated Elon on DM-2.

[Anonymous No.11843275]

>>11843250
imagine it. even then. millions of dollars in and sat in your own rocket factory and some guy from 60 minutes headbutts you with that question. fair play the guy he is stoic.

[Anonymous No.11843276]

>>11843228
sad

[Anonymous No.11843294]

>did you expect them to cheer you on
>i was certainly hoping they would
them feels

[Anonymous No.11843297]

Zubrin is doing an ama on arr spacex

[Anonymous No.11843311]

>>11843297
Zubrin is cool but he's the crazy homeless man on the street of space
the man died on his Mars Direct hill in the 90s and hasn't been able to move beyond that for thirty years

[Anonymous No.11843316]

>>11843297
Has Zubrin actually made stuff for NASA, or has he just made money by writing books on hypothetical spaceflight? Also he doesn’t work for spacex why the hell is he doing an ama

[Anonymous No.11843319]

>>11843297
Is Zubrin based or not? For some fucking reason he’s so hung up on Mars Direct that he literally doesn’t support Starship. It’s bizarre he’d rather throw away a good ship just to fix his 1991 mars plan.

[Anonymous No.11843327]

>>11843311
> crazy homeless man on the street of space
he came up with the NSWR so yeah

[Anonymous No.11843329]

>>11843311
>Zubrin is cool but he's the crazy homeless man on the street of space
Also a retarded lefty. Don't look at his social media if you want to keep respecting him.

[Anonymous No.11843339]

>>11843311
>>11843319
It's always interesting to see what he has to say since he sometimes makes good and unique points, but he's always slightly off the mark on SpaceX and pretty set in his ways.

>>11843316
r/spacex is the biggest space subreddit that isn't just "i fucking love science", though he probably doesn't need a large subreddit or Reddit in general to answer public questions.

[Anonymous No.11843346]

>>11843297
Zubrin is Alex Jones of Space.

[Anonymous No.11843349]

>>11843319
Zubrin proposed Mars Direct and has spent the last thirty years defending it
Starship destroys the very foundations upon which his life has been built, give him some time to come around to it

[Anonymous No.11843352]

>>11843329
worse, he is a lolbertarian

[Anonymous No.11843354]

>>11843339
r/SpaceX is actually pretty good. They have a cool wiki about Core histories and Capsule catalogues and are very up today to date with new info (unless they’re not).

It’s the only reason I use Reddit.

[Anonymous No.11843371]

luv r/reddit me

[Anonymous No.11843374]

>>11843354
But here I can call people faggot.

[Anonymous No.11843417]

How would one go about building a prototype of the procsima system?
Especially how to project the laser onto the focusing mirror without getting in the way of the particle accelerator barrel

[Anonymous No.11843437]

>>11843417
>How would one go about building a prototype of the procsima system?
billions of dollars, the brightest minds on the planet and access to orbital shipyards?

[Anonymous No.11843438]

Can anyone give me information on this? This video popped up in my suggested a couple of months ago and I can’t stop watching it from time to time. This is shittier than Starship but it’s still a really cool concept
https://youtu.be/1uUqZOvz0Kw

[Anonymous No.11843458]

>>11843352
Bootlicker

[Anonymous No.11843473]

>>11843438
Man I haven't played Orbiter in years.

[Anonymous No.11843487]

>>11843417
What exactly is that supposed to be and how does it work? Google gives me nothing, which makes me think it's some crank bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11843519]

>>11843487
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2018_Phase_I_Phase_II/PROCSIMA/
It’s a combined neutral particle beam/laser accelerator
The particles and laser wave interact in such a way that it limits beam diffraction to allow acceleration for much longer

[Anonymous No.11843530]

>>11843473
What is Altea Aerospace? Is it just a company that exists in the videogame, like Roberts Space Industries in star citizen or something? The XR5 looks really neat

[Anonymous No.11843534]

>>11843530
>Altea Aerospace
https://orbiterfanfiction.fandom.com/wiki/Altea_Aerospace

[Anonymous No.11843535]

>>11843346
He could’ve been a John Houbolt (or lunar orbit rendezvous game) if he was in a position to influence actually influence policy and the US was seriously pursuing a mars mission. It’s not like his ideas are bad, but years of advocating for a single concept without actually be in industry has made him a bit of an eccentric.

[Anonymous No.11843542]

>>11842636
Why do they count the entire volume of the Atlas V 5 meter fairing when a huge chunk of it is taken up by Centaur? It's effectively got exactly the same useful volume as Delta IV.

[Anonymous No.11843550]

>>11842744
>automated construction of a signle Starship would take over a year
Bro, they want to be shitting out Starships once every week or something insane like that, the whole point of using mexicans and changing the design constantly now is to land upon the best performing design that is fastest and easiest to build.

[Anonymous No.11843551]

>>11843542
Marketing.

[Anonymous No.11843552]

>>11843542
>Why do they count the entire volume of the Atlas V 5 meter fairing when a huge chunk of it is taken up by Centaur?
They didn't. Look at the cubic-footage of the Delta and Ariane. The counted volume is only for the payload.

[Anonymous No.11843571]

>>11842885
I just don't see how pirates could board your vessel unless they had a super big weapon attached to their ship and they contacted you and basically told you they were going to board. When we get to space will there be an open com system, kind of like what truckers have, so everyone can communicate?

[Anonymous No.11843572]

>>11843550
Elon Musk is a true genius. A messiah who will be worshipped as the divine god he is.

He is the God-Emperor of Mankind, nudging us in the correct direction.

[Anonymous No.11843577]

>>11843550
>>11842744
>>automated construction of a signle Starship would take over a year

implying mexicans aren't considered automated welders

[Anonymous No.11843596]

One of the sneak peeks of an animated tutorial in KSP 2 has an actual Chad meme in it

[Anonymous No.11843597]

>>11842636
Delusion General

[Anonymous No.11843601]

>>11843571
You could theoretically attach to a section of the hull, pressurize and then slice into it. Or insert a tube an threaten to gas the crew if they don't surrender.

[Anonymous No.11843604]

>>11843597
you're late

[Anonymous No.11843610]

>>11843596
kek

[Anonymous No.11843614]

>>11843571
>I just don't see how pirates could board your vessel unless they had a super big weapon attached to their ship and they contacted you and basically told you they were going to board.
>"We have more guns than you, we have more delta-v than you, and you're megameters away from anyone who can help you from getting megafucked by us. Let us board your ship, take your shit, and we will leave you be. At least we're not the Space Wolves."

[Anonymous No.11843616]

>>11842858
Know this site and you will no longer need to post question here.
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/pirate.php

Plus there's simply too many reasons you can't apply old school or even modern pirate in a SF future.

[Anonymous No.11843618]

>>11843616
>Plus there's simply too many reasons you can't apply old school or even modern pirate in a SF future.
There are some recent additions to that page that point in the other direction.

[Anonymous No.11843626]

>>11843614
Spacepirate chads don't measure in kilometers. Only megameters

[Anonymous No.11843646]

>>11843319
Zubrin have always been delusional. None of his plan would ever work, it was always wishful thinking he could use sunken-cost fallacy to have the US not back out of the project.

It's not like there real reason to send human on the surface of Mars. We don't know enough about self-contained ecosystem and we can learn literally everywhere else. Even colonizing the moon is more useful because ideally Mankind should live in space station instead of down another gravity well.

[Anonymous No.11843650]

>>11843616
I'm aware of that site. I just wanted /sfg/'s opinion on the subject.

[Anonymous No.11843660]

>>11842969
So you want to put a beacon on the Moon? How much power would it take?
Let say we want a beacon as visible as Venus, so you can see it even during a full Moon.
This means an illuminance of ~10^-4 lux.
if you want your beacon to be seen anywhere on Earth (and just on Earth), this correspond to a luminous flux of 4e13*1e-4 = 4e9 lumens.
Assuming a monochromatic laser with the most visible light, that's ~6e6 W of optical power, and maybe 4 times that as consumed power ~24 MW.
It's not negligible, but it's not absurdly big either.

[Anonymous No.11843665]

>>11843571
Just get close enough to jet pack over and cut your way in

[Anonymous No.11843667]

>>11843596
lol

[Anonymous No.11843673]

>>11843660
>it's not absurdly big either
>24mw

[Anonymous No.11843683]

>>11843329
no he isn't, retard. He writes for National Review pretty frequently

[Anonymous No.11843685]

>>11843673
Clearly, it's not the first thing that would be done in a lunar colony, but it's physically feasible if you have a (few) nuclear power plant around

[Anonymous No.11843688]

>>11843683
>He writes for National Review pretty frequently
That makes him center-left instead of a fucking Communist.

[Anonymous No.11843725]

Starship de geso

[Anonymous No.11843740]

>>11843618
I don't see anywhere going the other way. I mean beside giving better ideas for softer SF what they do is explain exactly how ridiculously hard it is to have pirate in harder SF.
Even the one referencing the "hydrogen steamer" worked on the assumption the steamer worked and had trouble address the economic aspect, eventually shifting the definition of pirate to "hacker who take control of your ship". Stretching the definition a bit.

btw:
This pic have the "pirate" using a ship powered by a distant laser which is also used for defense and from the extract I've read they buy their survival with a technology they happened to have developed and which will destroy the gold market.

[Anonymous No.11843813]

>>11843614
>”Let’s show em our teeth. Fire main gun.”
>Small procsima accelerator spinally mounted on your ship sends a beam of relativistic speed iron powder cutting through their hull
>manage to blow through a fuel tank before they pull off

[Anonymous No.11843846]

>>11843023
To answer your question;
Delta IV is has more efficient first stage engines, by far.
Delta IV has more efficient second stage engines, by far.
Delta IV has a much larger volume of propellants.

Falcon Heavy however has a nicely dense fuel. This allows it to get a better wet dry mass fraction and therefore better performance to any trajectory up to and including solar escape velocity.

This is why hydrogen is a meme fuel.

[Anonymous No.11843861]

>>11843597
>>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.11843878]

>>11843740
>Rosinante
Did Woods do ANYTHING original in The Expanse?

[Anonymous No.11843897]

>>11843740
Is it wrong that I’m getting a tatoo that says “ROCINANTE” on my forearm?

[Anonymous No.11843906]

starlink is a crime against humanity

[Anonymous No.11843909]

>>11843878
To be fair, hard SF in the Solar system that isn't ridiculously far into the future sort of forces you to write a particular setting.

[Anonymous No.11843913]

>>11843909
>hard SF
>the expanse
brother i will bop you

[Anonymous No.11843917]

>>11843913
It's harder than most sci-fi. It actually goes out of it's way to select more realistic sci-fi elements.

[Anonymous No.11843952]

>>11842334
>vacuum
the part that's shimmering is the NTR exhaust full of propellant dumdum

[Anonymous No.11843957]

>>11843054
Liquid hydrogen is like a beautiful, smart, funny, charming girl who lives like a fucking pig, with animals shitting in the corner and dirty clothes and trash everywhere.

[Anonymous No.11843960]

>>11843957
hey thats me

[Anonymous No.11843962]

>NASA has acquired several MRAPs to station near the launch pad, should there be time for the crew to evacuate the vehicle. One will be occupied by emergency rescue personnel, while the other will stand empty behind a blast shelter.[2] Pad emergency egress enables astronauts and engineers to quickly escape the perimeter of the rocket. Both zip-lines and roller coasters were at one time studied for this purpose.[3]

[Anonymous No.11843965]

>>11843960
You are not a girl

[Anonymous No.11843966]

>>11843960
>Girl
You will never, ever pass.

[Anonymous No.11843969]

>>11843917
right until the wormhole shows up

[Anonymous No.11843970]

>The cosmonauts Vladimir Shatalov, Aleksei Yeliseyev, and Nikolai Rukavishnikov were able to navigate their Soyuz 10 spacecraft to the Salyut 1 station, yet during docking they ran into problems. The automatic control system failed during approach, owing to a serious design oversight: when soft dock was performed, the computer sensed an abnormality in the spacecraft's alignment and began firing the attitude control jets to compensate. With Soyuz 10 being pushed to one side by the attitude control system, it became impossible to achieve hard dock, and large quantities of propellant were expended doing so. The docking attempt was called off, but further difficulty occurred when the probe would not come out of the space station's docking cone. The obvious solution was simply to jettison the orbital module and leave it attached to Salyut 1, but this would make it impossible for future Soyuz missions to dock; thus, the space station would have to be abandoned. Eventually, ground controllers realized that the cosmonauts could throw a circuit breaker in the docking mechanism, for interrupting the power supply would cause the probe to automatically retract. This procedure worked, and undocking was completed.[1] The automatic control system would be redesigned on future Soyuz spacecraft.

>After finally undocking, one last hitch presented itself when toxic fumes began to fill the capsule during reentry, causing Rukavishnikov to pass out; however, all three crew members were recovered unscathed.

kek

[Anonymous No.11843972]

>>11843076
The thing is, while you're right, there's literally NO possibility that Starship ends up only being able to do 50 Mg to LEO. Starship is a 100 ton to LEO vehicle at a minimum. Also, even if Starship fails to even achieve reusability, reverting to just being an expendable launch vehicle, it would remain the best rocket in the world, bar none.

Expendable Starship is a 300+ Mg to LEO launch vehicle, and it wouldn't cost more than $120 million. Raptors won't cost that much, and it's obvious that the structures of Starship will be dirt cheap, so if you subtract the dedicated reusability hardware like TPS and flaps there's really nothing left that would make it cost even as much as an Atlas 551, let alone a fucking SLS, and yet it would place 3x more payload into orbit compared to SLS because it doesn't use meme propellant.

[Anonymous No.11843973]

I see your Mars rover and raise you a flying rover tank

[Anonymous No.11843974]

>>11843962
>NASA has acquired several BRAPs to station near the launch pad, should there be time for the crew to evacuate. One will be occupied by emergency rescue personnel, while the other will stand empty behind a blast shelter.[2] Pad emergency egress enables astronauts and engineers to quickly escape the perimeter of the potty. Both zip-lines and roller coasters were at one time studied for this purpose.[3]

[Anonymous No.11843975]

>>11843969
Is anyone else tired of this shit? Somethings hard sci fi then out of nowhere

>”ITS THE ALIENSARIN/ALCUBIERRINO/WORMHOLINO”

Expanse shoulda just stayed in the solar system. If it had less installments, so be it, it would have been cooler.

Still love it tho

[Anonymous No.11843977]

>>11843970
>Comrade have you tried turning the capsule off and turning it back on again?

[Anonymous No.11843987]

>>11843975
>Is anyone else tired of this shit? Somethings hard sci fi then out of nowhere
>>”ITS THE ALIENSARIN/ALCUBIERRINO/WORMHOLINO”
I'm not, but then again my tolerance for hard scifi doing bad things is high because I don't find that stuff often.

[Anonymous No.11843995]

>>11843975
Ad Astra deserves some credit for not getting into any crazy super-science nonsense at the end of the movie. Too bad it didn't get any of the normal science right in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11844003]

>>11843995
What did it do wrong apart from the usual sci-fi hiccups (underestimation of distance, sound in space, seafaring parallels, etc)? The only major one I remember of the top of my head was the use of expendable stages even though the setting was a settled solar system.

[Anonymous No.11844004]

>>11843975
try Blindsight
same premise as the Expanse (von Neumann probe fucks shit up), but done right

[Anonymous No.11844006]

>>11844004
>blindsight
extremely fucking based

[Anonymous No.11844015]

>>11844004
It has has science on level ""i read paper without peer review on subject and i should totally include this and say this is real science".

[Anonymous No.11844036]

>>11844015
huh. i found it pretty cautious, for a sci-fi
what got you hot under the collar?
i mean sure, the quantum state teleportation thing is iffy
what else?

[Anonymous No.11844051]

>>11844036
Controlled tornado generator is straight from Jules Verne, (actually from sequel) i read shit too long ago so i don't remember and have other work to do rather than read it again.

[Anonymous No.11844052]

are there any hard scifi series with a similar premise of the expanse ie a somewhat settled solar system and with war in this solar system, but without unrealistic fusion torch drives and FTL and aliens involved?

[Anonymous No.11844054]

>>11844051
Add- Basically read his science notes in afterword, and check them for yourself.

[Anonymous No.11844058]

>this talk about /sfg/ approved sci-fi novels
Now I wish that the libraries weren't closed due to covid. Had to return a copy of The Songs of Distant Earth before finishing it because was moving out of that city for good, and I want to finish it.

[Anonymous No.11844076]

>>11844015
pedantic futurist scifi that limits technology to things we know right now are 100% possible is dumb. The future is full of unknowable things and pretending like we have the full picture now is needlessly limiting and boring.

[Anonymous No.11844096]

>>11844076
>assuming engineering problems will be solved within the limits of well tested physics
based
>assuming known physics will stop applying because {something something quantum}
cringe

[Anonymous No.11844106]

>>11844076
The opposite though, technobable scifi magic has become the most boring schlock, it's no longer an excuse to put interesting and well written characters into interesting conundrums that ask interesting questions, it's just a tool for lazy and incompetent writers to create equally lazy and poor quality stories.

[Anonymous No.11844111]

>>11844106
>technobable scifi magic
Star Trek Voyager broke me with that. Other Star Treks were bad about it, but Voyager brought it to a whole new level.

[Anonymous No.11844112]

>>11843135
I was reading some NSF threads from the late 2000s and they sound just like this.

[Anonymous No.11844116]

>>11843725
More like....
META STARSHIP

[Anonymous No.11844120]

>>11843596
I kekled

[Anonymous No.11844129]

>>11843646
Come back when you can support your orbitals meme with proper English and studies. I will give you credit for posting a Von Braun ring instead of an O'Neill cylinder though.

[Anonymous No.11844132]

>>11844112
Got any amusing sceencaps?

[Anonymous No.11844141]

>>11843005
he's still richer, more popular and cooler than you

[Anonymous No.11844144]

>>11844141
> richer
possible
> popular
with soibois
> cooler
no

[Anonymous No.11844151]

>>11843221
Nope.

[Anonymous No.11844175]

>>11843646
You don't need a self contained ecosystem to do anything, retard. that's what we have machines and chemical reactors for. Where do you think most of the nitrogen in the protein in your diet comes from?

[Anonymous No.11844189]

>>11843973
Ah yes, the classic cool-at-all-costs hot mess vehicle that makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.11844193]

>>11843975
Authors that go hard scifi right up until someone discovers a magic space rock/alien tech are retards.

[Anonymous No.11844201]

>>11844004
>Blindsight
Sure, the one with fucking vampires is a hard scifi novel, sure.

[Anonymous No.11844204]

>>11844201
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11844212]

space suits that aren't bulky clusterfucks and don't require prebreathing when?

[Anonymous No.11844239]

>>11844212
Probably never. The ultimate innovation would be be brain replacement, where the brain is connected to a computer terminal and the mind slowly drifts into the computer, where the mind can then be removed safely and the volunteer can now truly ascend, only needing radiation protection to survive and only a proper energy source to operate.

[Anonymous No.11844240]

>>11844212
you'd need materials that don't exist. science fiction isn't reality

[Anonymous No.11844241]

>>11844212
When SpaceX gets around to it.

[Anonymous No.11844243]

>>11844212
Its going to be a requirement for mars. No way is any kind of colony being built with trash tier modern suits.

[Anonymous No.11844258]

>>11844212
>aren't bulky clusterfucks
A long time
>don't require rebreathing
You won't get these together at all. It's not even close to as big a deal, anyway.

[Anonymous No.11844260]

>>11844212
one day...

[Anonymous No.11844262]

>>11844258
>prebreathing*
gdi. That's what I meant, of course

[Anonymous No.11844269]

>>11844260
Elon should buy the patents off these incompetent fuckwits and get 20 good men on the job.

[Anonymous No.11844273]

>>11844239
Damn straight to the point lmao
>>11844240
Kind of a bummer answer. We already have the technology. We just need a mechanical counter pressure suit but no one other than universities want to do the R&D for it. See >>11844241 for the real answer.
>>11844243
Agreed. Elon will definitely be pursuing it once Starship is ready. If he doesn’t build his own suits he will probably get NASA to start on it, probably as a legacy built off off Artemis suit technology idk

[Anonymous No.11844281]

>>11844269
or just mail a prototype to China

[Anonymous No.11844287]

>>11844273
It can be developed, and I can buy that SpaceX can do it considering the competence they've shown so far, but I don't see it being developed before the first Mars missions unless they're pushed back a good bit. Early colonists will absolutely be making do with modern, bulky suits. It's still a shitton better than any robot.

[Anonymous No.11844294]

>>11844281
>mail an unfinished project to China
>they make an even more unfinished halfassed copy barely one step above iranian-tier paper mache
People seriously overestimate China's reverse engineering capabilities and this isn't even reverse engineering, it's... just engineering.

[Anonymous No.11844295]

>>11844287
>It's still a shitton better than any robot.

For simple work like digging holes to take samples and stuff it will be fine yeah, but for any kind of construction work it's basically unusable.

[Anonymous No.11844302]

>>11844295
Specialized tools and simplified movements. If spacesuits can do maintenance on the ISS in a much more cumbersome environment, they can absolutely do construction on Mars, as long as proper considerations are made.

[Anonymous No.11844303]

>>11844294
Isn’t the Chinese EVA suit some unholy beast designed from scratch? I know their pressure suits are designed from Soyuz suits (I think the Russians worked with them to make it) but I remember some story of American scientists watching the Chinese Feitian EVA suit reveal and they were dumbfounded. It’s apparently a very strange design and it isn’t copied from anything

[Anonymous No.11844313]

>>11844302
It takes them hours and hours to do even the most simple tasks on the ISS and you expect them to be building a whole fucking colony? It's just not going to happen without better suits or the other option is teleoperated robots with haptic feedback.

[Anonymous No.11844314]

>>11844273
All these 'slim' designs are relatively pointless and only introduce risk

[Anonymous No.11844315]

>>11844052
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/sealofapproval.php probably has something.

Semi-related question, are there hard sc-fi novels like the Expanse but set in a different star system?

[Anonymous No.11844328]

>>11844314
I think it could be mitigated if you design a rugged counterpressure suit with a shell layer that slips on top, or attached to points like the chest, legs, shoulders, pelvis, etc

[Anonymous No.11844330]

>>11844313
>the other option is teleoperated robots with haptic feedback.
No it isn't. This is ridiculously more cumbersome than suits.
> hours to do even the most simple tasks on the ISS
That's why I point out that it's a much more cumbersome environment. The enemy on the ISS is microgravity even moreso than the suit.
>It's just not happening without [X]
It's happening.

[Anonymous No.11844331]

>>11844328
This seems like a good idea but it would still be pretty bulky. I'm not saying we can't improve modern suits, but we're never getting skintight ones

[Anonymous No.11844332]

>>11844141
how much does he make in a year?

[Anonymous No.11844333]

>>11844273
>>11844258
>>11844240
>>11844239
nobody mentioned compression suits?

[Anonymous No.11844335]

>>11844331
Yeah I agree, a purely skintight suit would be a safety risk. Even if you assured me it was “tear resistant” I would still be scared as fuck if I were doing an EVA and slipped on an outcrop. We’ll see where the designs go in the future

[Anonymous No.11844336]

>>11844333
Everyone's talking about mechanical compression suits, it doesn't really need to be stated.

[Anonymous No.11844340]

>>11844333
Mechanical counterpressure suits (MCS’s) are compression suits

[Anonymous No.11844343]

>>11844340
oh i didn't see that for some reason...
I know pic related probably will be nothing like the interior SpaceX chooses for starship other then it being vertically oriented and having decks and the like, but this picture really shows you how much you can fit in the interior of starship.

[Anonymous No.11844344]

>finally time to go for first satellite launch after a million sounding rockets
>throw an RD-0105 upper stage on my R-12 knockoff for a cheap launch since I already have it tooled and only need to lift a couple hundred kg
>everything goes fine until stage separation and then upper stage starts tumbling and end up 175m/s short of orbit by the time it regains attitude control
haha woops

[Anonymous No.11844350]

>>11844343
No problem, also yeah i’ve been fucking itching for Elon to splurge out and release some Starship interior concept art on twitter. I’m no teslafag, but teslas are really sleek and you can god damn guarantee starship will have the same vibe on the inside

[Anonymous No.11844355]

>>11844344
What's your modlist? And is it toggle-able between saves? I want to try autistically realistic KSP but I have some stock saves I don't want to mess up with mods.

[Anonymous No.11844358]

>>11844344
If it makes you feel better shit like that happens a lot in real life.

[Anonymous No.11844362]

>>11844358
>>11844344
>go for second launch
>engage ascent guidance before starting engines
>ignition failure
>ascent guidance automatically stages and drops the whole rocket from the launch tower and it falls over
who the fuck soviet space program here?

[Anonymous No.11844363]

>>11844003
I thought they really didn't get TOO much wrong I mean it wasn't like Aramgeddon. It's just that the setting made no sense.

1) If you want to reach the "Solar Focus" you have to travel to 1000 AU, not Neptune. Neptune's way too close actually.

2) How are waves getting stronger as they propagate through the solar system? Inverse square law is serious in space.

3) Also, cmon guys you're using expendable rockets and somehow enough infrastructure exists on the moon that actual pirates exist, but aren't just BTFO by an orbital cannon

4) Why would you launch a rocket from the moon's surface? The EML2 is way better.

[Anonymous No.11844364]

>>11844350
I bet anything they have a bunch of cabin mockups kicking around at hawthorne somewhere.

[Anonymous No.11844368]

>>11844363
>when he just climbs into a rocket that's taking off

[Anonymous No.11844370]

>>11844330
>The enemy on the ISS is microgravity even moreso than the suit.

The microgravity is actually an advantage because you can position yourself exactly how you want, good luck doing any work on a planetary surface where you need to bend over, kneel down, etc... Hundreds or thousands of times a day depending on your task. Just look at the amount of astronauts that need shoulder surgery from even absolutely minimal suit time.

[Anonymous No.11844371]

>>11844355
pic related, but mostly it's just RO/RP-1 and related mods + some other misc janky shit and galileo instead of RSS
https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/wiki/RO-&-RP-1-Installation-for-1.8.1
>And is it toggle-able between saves?
easiest thing to do is just copy your KSP directory and have a separate install for mods, CKAN lets you switch between installs easily

[Anonymous No.11844372]

>>11844364
There will probably be several different cabin variants as well, it'll be interesting to see the differences between them. I wonder if elon will lease starships to lunar tourism companies, or if SpaceX will conduct the tourism themselves mainly.

[Anonymous No.11844376]

>>11844370
>Can't just put anything down, it all has to be tethered and tied down and constantly adjusted
>Can't get decent leverage
>Can be upside down woooo
No. Fuck you and fuck microgravity, you stupid fuck.

[Anonymous No.11844380]

>>11844372
tourism companies would be much more interested in buying a starship then leasing one

[Anonymous No.11844381]

>>11844380
i don't know if spacex would allow them to, or if that would even make that much sense. especially considering they'd have to be launched into space by spacex rockets, refueled by spacex rockets, etc etc

[Anonymous No.11844383]

>>11844368
Oh yeah I forgot that shit.

Still though the scene where he’s under the water and is like “every step is taking me farther away from the sun” gave me chills though I mean shits kino.

I feel like I’m the only person who loved that movie.

Also another stupid thing is that the main ship they use to fly around the solar system I guess can land on atmospheric bodies? But it also has extra stages on top?

Oh yeah and they rendezvoused with a space station “between the orbit of Earth and Mars”, which actually uses a bunch of Delta V. They could’ve just said the station was in mars orbit or on Deimos or something.

If I was writing the movie I’d keep all the stuff with the station, but instead say that there’s some weird space time deformity being made instead of just disregarding real physical laws. Although I guess that’s cheap but you know what I mean.

Also I’d switch out the expendable rockets for reusable ones. Maybe not Starship, but even an SSTO like skyline would work in the settings.

[Anonymous No.11844387]

>>11844381
Add in that legally (and practically) they'd be selling off intercontinental weapons tech. If nothing else, that will be their excuse since they're probably not going to want to sell them for the reasons already stated.

[Anonymous No.11844399]

ESA Vega rocket launch from French Guiana SOON

https://youtu.be/H9fncNARllk

T-15 min

[Anonymous No.11844403]

>>11844399
>50 microsats
Ugghh I'm gonna COOB

[Anonymous No.11844404]

>>11843906
....How?

[Anonymous No.11844406]

>>11844399
Official link:
https://youtu.be/PtaM6U-eiQ0

[Anonymous No.11844407]

>>11844404
>3 hours later
How baitable are you

[Anonymous No.11844408]

>>11843975
Hard sci-fi is boring and illogical. Only a retard thinks that technology in the future will only be what we can currently conceive of

[Anonymous No.11844410]

>>11844407
I just got back home and was looking through the messages posted since I was gone

[Anonymous No.11844412]

>>11844383
I liked the movie as well but the research was so poorly done

[Anonymous No.11844415]

>>11844408
>Hard sci-fi is boring and illogical.
Sure, if the science is the point of the story. If you just take it as a given that the future works like the Atomic Rockets website and use it as a setting, you've got options.

[Anonymous No.11844417]

>>11843596
for you

[Anonymous No.11844418]

>>11844408
You're using singularityfag logic and yet even embracing that mindset would give you more interesting results than "hurr infinite energy/magic teleportation/magic torch drives" if pursued with any degree of competency.

[Anonymous No.11844420]

bruh

[Anonymous No.11844423]

>>11844418
I don’t care about “interesting”. I just want to be able to go as far as possible as quickly as possible so I can study the geology of interesting exoplanets. Gotta love minerals

[Anonymous No.11844424]

>>11844406
Schcrubbed god dammit

[Anonymous No.11844427]

>>11844423
>I don't care about "interesting"
>>Hard sci-fi is boring

[Anonymous No.11844432]

>>11844423
Dutrowpilled

[Anonymous No.11844433]

>>11844408
Hard sci-fi can be cool. I think of it more like steampunk rather than a perfect representation of the future. An aesthetic that appeals to aerospace engineers.

[Anonymous No.11844440]

>>11844362
holy shit we finally made it bros, only took 3 launches and about 4 rollouts to launchpad and discovering problem before launch and rolling it back to the VAB
even made it with just enough propellant left to deorbit the upper stage, except I forgot to put separate batteries in the upper stage for after it disconnects from the satellite lol

[Anonymous No.11844451]

>ArianeSpace starts the livestream to announce the launch is delayed

[Anonymous No.11844511]

>>11844451
expendable rockets, reusable streams

[Anonymous No.11844522]

>>11844511
I just don't understand this reusable stream meme...

[Anonymous No.11844536]

>>11844522
Is
is youtube a
STREAM DEPOT?

[Anonymous No.11844543]

>>11844536
Project Gutenberg is a PROONT depot.

[Anonymous No.11844545]

>>11844423
Here I thought I was the only one interested in the rocks of planets.

[Anonymous No.11844552]

>>11844543
So is Thingverse

[Anonymous No.11844556]

>>11844423
>I just want to be able to go as far as possible as quickly as possible
This, rocks are cool too I guess but not as cool as flinging into the unknown.

[Anonymous No.11844576]

>>11844440
congrats anon, sorry about your digits though, you got pretty close

[Anonymous No.11844578]

>>11843972
300 tons is expendable super heavy, anon. Expendable upper stage only turns the tps mass directly into payload

[Anonymous No.11844582]

>>11843813
>they shoot back
>they have more gun
>you die
>try again?

[Anonymous No.11844590]

>>11844578
Yeah, that's what I said. Did you even read my post? If you ditch all recovery hardware (TPS, flaps, legs etc) and expend the entire stack, Starship gets a bit more than 300 tons to LEO.

[Anonymous No.11844599]

>>11844433
I wonder if anyone’s tried to make one of those bookstore erotica novels but like based around astronauts and the space program

>”InSight”, an erotica novel about two engineers who fall in love.

Bonus points if it’s gay

>”Eyes Turned Skywards”, a gay erotica novel about the Apollo 12 mission

[Anonymous No.11844602]

>>11844556
Part of why we fling into the unknown is because of the rocks. They give us minerals for survival, fuel, oxygen to breathe, materials to build, soil to grow plants in... Each human on Earth requires 40,000lbs of minerals PER YEAR for basic survival

[Anonymous No.11844671]

>>11843878
Well, Rosinante was the name of the the steed of the man of la Mancha - Don Quixote. It's a literary reference in both these cases albeit rather reversed in the case of The Expanse, since the original Rosinante is a literal fucking plowhorse pretending to be a Knight's Steed, not the other way around.

Read more.

[Anonymous No.11844677]

>>11844582
>They can't shoot back if you shoot more first

[Anonymous No.11844722]

fucking christ KSP rocket design is so much more autistic when you have to actually worry about tooling and future upgrade costs of your designs

[Anonymous No.11844729]

>>11844545
My favorite kinds are exploitable element-bearing minerals like fluorite, hematite, etc. Not necessarily for their economic value; though I do love the topics of mining and refining as well, but because they tend to be aesthetically pleasing and structurally interesting. Io, Ganymede, Pluto, and Europa in particular interest me. Especially volcanic hellish Io

[Anonymous No.11844741]

>>11844729
Once you learn the science behind minerals it's really easy to get autistically obsessed with them. Earth has such a huge variety of cool rocks and minerals. And the fact that the universe is so fucking large leads me to believe that there are probably so many strange and interesting minerals scattered across the universe. Like, stuff that we don't even have here on Earth and haven't even considered- such as weird crystals made of different subatomic particles like Muons arranged in a stable configuration
t. I do geothermochronology with tourmalines to study the temperatures and pressures of geologic regions

[Anonymous No.11844745]

>>11844556
I love the unknown; and have very little interest in other people except for my immediate family and friends. To explore and investigate as far away from general human nonsense as possible would be ideal.

[Anonymous No.11844755]

>>11844745
I feel that.

[Anonymous No.11844761]

>>11844741
One must imagine cthonian worlds, the solid cores of gas giants exposed by extensive erosion, must exhibit particularly bizarre formations.

[Anonymous No.11844768]

>>11844761
Yes exactly. If something like metallic hydrogen is metastable, there might be gas giants all over the galaxy who's core might be exposed. There might very well be lots of metallic hydrogen sitting around waiting to be collected.

[Anonymous No.11844771]

>>11844344
Boing!

[Anonymous No.11844775]

>>11844755
I’m confident investigation of lifeless matter would be a sufficient source of boundless amusement, but what I lust to encounter most of all is that staple of science fiction usually taken for granted: sapient highly advanced alien life. Utterly foreign in form and cognition, but counterintuitively perhaps more like myself and more to my liking than man ever was. Whether or not any of them feel a similar desire to cross the vast interstellar distances between the stars and meet those who may dwell amongst them will almost certainly remain forever beyond my knowledge, which is disheartening.

[Anonymous No.11844787]

>>11844775
Not to sound all popsci, but worst-case-scenario for our species might literally be encountering an alien species who is so far advanced that their technology is indistinguishable from magic. I would hate to end up as an inferior species who's planet gets pillaged and destroyed by some invader.
Best case scenario, we meet an alien species who is only slightly more advanced than us. They just discovered the ability to use warp drive relatively recently, and they have a deep yearn for science and discovery. If they were open to showing us their science and way of life that would be the absolute coolest fucking thing ever. That being said, if these hypothetical friendly aliens showed up today I would be embarrassed. 99% of humans on this earth are fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.11844793]

>>11844787
>That being said, if these hypothetical friendly aliens showed up today I would be embarrassed. 99% of humans on this earth are fucking retarded.
It's like bringing a girl home to see your parents and your family is full of fucking retards with no manners. That's what life is like on this planet.

[Anonymous No.11844795]

>>11844787
I used to and still always want this to happen.

But what I think is more likely is we’ll find bacteria and maybe eukaryotes in other worlds, alongside the remnants of destroyed Dyson Swarms, mega scale structures thousands of kilometers across, ancient ruins, etc.

Well probably either encounter microbes, or the ashes of the gods.

[Anonymous No.11844800]

>just grabs a tesla battery for his rockets
kek

[Anonymous No.11844801]

>>11844729
Io will soon be a major problem if people fight over the resources on it.

[Anonymous No.11844804]

>>11844741
My mate did something to do with astronomy, geology and engineering.
He must be licking his lips now. That area is going to be BIG.

[Anonymous No.11844806]

>>11844787
> Not to sound all popsci, but worst-case-scenario for our species might literally be encountering an alien species who is so far advanced that their technology is indistinguishable from magic.

If they’re benevolent, that sounds ideal. I have deep religious instincts incompatible with the nonexistent empirical evidence of any existing belief systems, so hyper-advanced aliens or AI are a shoe-in object of reverence.

[Anonymous No.11844819]

>>11844806
>tfw qt3.14 no hyper-advanced alien or AI gf

[Anonymous No.11844822]

>>11844787
>99% of humans on this earth are fucking retarded.
>not 100%

[Anonymous No.11844823]

>>11844819
Giger, go home. You're dead.

[Anonymous No.11844826]

>expand first stage to 2.5m, swap RD-211 for RD-108 to get enough thrust to lift it
>stretch upper stage length a bit since that's a lot cheaper than expanding diameter, add batteries and more RCS ports and fuel for deorbiting after delivery
>tweak avionics and fairings and fuel loads for ages
>finally get LV that can throw my 700kg spy sat into a 300x300 polar orbit while coming in at 200kg below the 60t limit for my launchpad
now for the most important question, what color should I paint it bros?

[Anonymous No.11844829]

>>11844823
Giger lives on in all xenophiles. The first ayy fucked will be dedicated to him.

[Anonymous No.11844831]

>>11844826
imperial german colors, i've never seen that on a rocket before

[Anonymous No.11844835]

>>11844826
Holy shit that's a strikingly aesthetic rocket Anon, mods?

[Anonymous No.11844837]

>>11844826
Doesn’t paint cut considerably into weight for big rockets?

[Anonymous No.11844845]

>>11844795
All would be cool scenarios. Bacterium on other planets would be so exciting, especially if they weren't made from DNA. Ancient, derelict dyson spheres would be a fun mystery to solve. But only if we found other civilizations who were living. I wouldn't want to find evidence of intelligent aliens without finding the actual aliens

[Anonymous No.11844846]

>>11844837
yes, that is why they stopped painting the shuttle tank

[Anonymous No.11844849]

>>11844846
Is this just bait?

[Anonymous No.11844850]

>>11844846
holy shit the shuttle looks so much less fucking ugly with the painted tank

[Anonymous No.11844853]

>>11844850
Yeah I agree. I think STS-1 was the only flight with this scheme. The stupid fucking hydrogen fuel kept boiling off so they had to add that ugly ass orange foam

[Anonymous No.11844856]

>>11844845
You’d have to start asking what exactly could cause such advanced civilizations to disappear. Did they become so advanced that they were able to leave the universe? Were they killed? If so, by who?

[Anonymous No.11844858]

>>11844850
>>11844853
Ironically the white paint kept a lot of foam from falling off.

If they kept the paint, Columbia wouldn’t have happened.

[Anonymous No.11844859]

>>11844837
If your rocket is made of foam and is monstrously huge because you're a retard who fell for the hydrolox first stage meme, yes. In that case, it does suck up a large chunk of paint and gains a lot of weight it doesn't need.
It needs fucking training wheels to wheeze itself off the ground like an 80 year old asthmatic without paint added after all.

[Anonymous No.11844861]

>>11844850
i'm really the only one who liked the look of the orange tank

[Anonymous No.11844862]

>>11844849
Nope, they actually did stop painting the Shuttle ET white in order to save a few hundred kilos of mass.

[Anonymous No.11844863]

>>11844853
sts-2 was also painted. the orange foam is under the paint

[Anonymous No.11844868]

honestly the space shuttle program was a really shitty, mismanaged, terribly designed, and badly optimized program, but for what it was worth it was very kino

[Anonymous No.11844872]

did someone say shuttle

[Anonymous No.11844875]

>>11844868
If there was no space shuttle, there wouldn’t be a SpaceX. Best case scenario, we have a few mars missions in the 80s and 90s until eventually it got cut.

[Anonymous No.11844877]

>>11844868
If you don't know a thing about rockets, it's a pretty thing to look at.
The more you learn however, the more Shuttle starts to become the equivalent of a bad tit job on a 37 year old smoker.

[Anonymous No.11844883]

>>11844212
thots
in
space

[Anonymous No.11844886]

>>11844872
even after the challenger upgrades it's fucking lol

[Anonymous No.11844893]

>>11844877
this
>>11844875
true, would of ended up with a repeat of apollo

[Anonymous No.11844900]

>>11844893
would've

[Anonymous No.11844906]

>>11844900
i wonder what would of happened after the "mars apollo" for spaceflight

[Anonymous No.11844914]

>>11843417
> no beam spreading
it's like all you have to do is write it on paper and it works
you can't project lasers over vast distances without spreading

[Anonymous No.11844916]

>>11844862
Oh shit today I learned. I always assumed the paint was the "natural" look, and they just replaced the paint with foam. God damn they were so cheap it ended up killing astronauts

[Anonymous No.11844917]

>>11844872
>>11844886
i love how bailing out was considered a significant upgrade
>just jump out the side lmao

[Anonymous No.11844918]

>>11844906
What was wanted: Reusable mars shuttles, colonization

Reality: Three to maybe five missions. NASA then realizes they need a reusable space taxi to LEO if they want to make their colonies a reality. Next mars missions put on hold. Development begins on “reusable space taxi” but inefficient funding leads to it being only partially reusble. Space shuttle flies in 2003 until 2040.

[Anonymous No.11844919]

>>11844916
Fuck also meant to reply to >>11844863

[Anonymous No.11844921]

>>11844914
just make a bigger aperture bro

[Anonymous No.11844922]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyommitra
how can other space programs even COMPETE?

[Anonymous No.11844923]

>>11844918
i don't see how anybody at NASA or ULA still seriously thinks they will get a sustainable presence on mars and the moon with the SLS

[Anonymous No.11844928]

>>11844922
i can't let you flush that debjit

[Anonymous No.11844931]

>>11844923
They don’t. Even if SLS worked as intended it would only enable Apollo style missions to Mars.

Literally before Starship no one actually had any concrete plans to colonize anywhere other than “Yeah so after SLS we’ll build an SSTO or something idk”

[Anonymous No.11844933]

>>11844303
> tfw no neck

[Anonymous No.11844934]

>>11844931
Really scary to think that if it weren't for elon musk, space colonization possibly wouldn't of happened for centuries, if ever.

[Anonymous No.11844935]

>>11844931
they have plans after sls? i thought the idea was to keep kicking it down the road until the sun engulfed the earth

[Anonymous No.11844937]

>We will also defend that vision in the public sphere. The forces are gathering to stop SpaceX. They are using "planetary protection" and other even crazier arguments to say human expansion into space should stop. It is vital that they be fought. Elon personally asked us to do everything we can on that front.
oh shit zubrin calling out the jews

[Anonymous No.11844941]

>>11844937
>jews
no anon, retards. jews would want the ability to do israel in space.

[Anonymous No.11844943]

>>11844934
>space colonization possibly wouldn't of happened
Space colonization hasn't happened and probably won't happen for a while. I agree with the sentiment but we haven't crossed that line yet.

[Anonymous No.11844947]

>>11844931
SSTO is not fucking happening in our gravity so just stop that meme.

[Anonymous No.11844951]

>>11844602
> pounds, stupidly abbreviated to lbs
Sir this is a metric board, please refrain from using retard units while here. Thanks in advance

[Anonymous No.11844952]

although imagine
>mid 20s
>ss flight proven, many successful launches, initial mars cargo run happened, everything is ready to go and the faa/nasa have approved human rating
>6 months till first launch
>global leaders reeling at how far us space ability has moved away from them pressure the then democrat potus to shut it all down under environmental and planetary protection grounds
>un level treaty is signed prohibiting any human activity beyond leo
how fucking mad would you be?

[Anonymous No.11844953]

>>11844951
18,000 kg. Sorry I memorized it in american units

[Anonymous No.11844954]

>>11844947
That anon didn't say that, he said that that was the commonly accepted ideology of the time (1990-2010 or so), and he's completely right. NOBODY was seriously considering reusable boosters until SpaceX actually did it.

[Anonymous No.11844955]

>>11844943
When do you think the first SpaceX colonists will go to mars anyways? 2035? And how many would you say will be departing. In my humble opinion, I'd say 5000-10000 for the first batch of colonists, and he'd gradually increase it from there for every two years.

[Anonymous No.11844956]

>>11844952
I can unironically see this happening. I would be pissed, but how funny would it be for dems to turn into the party of Earth dwellers and conservatives to turn to the party of exploration.

[Anonymous No.11844958]

>>11844952
Musk must colonize Mars, any attempt to stop him should be meant with violence in minecraft.

[Anonymous No.11844959]

>>11844952
I would unironically kidnap and torture a politician's family to death in minecraft

[Anonymous No.11844961]

>>11844955
Zubrin says Starship definitely sends humans to Mars before 2030, so by 2035 there should be actual colonists hopping onto flights alongside the NASA eggheads.

[Anonymous No.11844962]

>>11844956
I guarantee that ethnostates will arrive in space. Not being a pol dude or anything but like seriously, I mean whose gonna enforce laws? If an enemy fleet approaches just blast them with a mass driver

[Anonymous No.11844964]

>>11844952
>elon, in collaboration with a rogue space force general, drops thousands of tungsten rods on US, PRC, Russian, and US targets, instantly crippling his enemies
>he becomes dictator of earth before dedicating 10% of the world gdp to space exploration and colonization

[Anonymous No.11844966]

>>11844964
Will there be a battle between the ZOG and Martian settlements?

I can see the moon and mars and the asteroid belt banding together to defeat the legions of Earth

[Anonymous No.11844967]

>>11844952
It would commence.

[Anonymous No.11844969]

>>11844958
>>11844959
nice groupthink

[Anonymous No.11844970]

>>11844962
You aren't wrong. Not just the huwhite cylinder around titan, but the hotep rotating pyramid, and the "anarcho" communist venus colony too. (And don't forget about mormons and muslims) Pretty much every ideology you can think of will have plenty of adherents desperate to escape into space, along with many religious groups as well.

[Anonymous No.11844972]

>>11844922
>romeo dialling in space

[Anonymous No.11844975]

>>11844969
>muh common goals are evil
space colonization advocates aren't stopping you from your anprim paradise, the ATF, FBI, and IRS are.

[Anonymous No.11844979]

>>11844966
maybe, but not for a while probably.

[Anonymous No.11844983]

>>11844962
It's literally inevitable once we have orbital habitats. When the vast majority of humans live in communities of a thousand or so, and there are millions of habitats, it isn't hard to imagine that a flotilla of 500 habitats containing people that are 99.9% the same ethnicity decides to boost off to the Kuiper belt and clam a decently large object as their own, and don't allow any immigrants to show up. The general attitude towards an event like that in the total human population would be similar to how we today view a little commune of thirty people, the only difference would be the fact that this little commune would probably be capable of boosting away on a slow boat trajectory to another star and eventually build themselves a massive racially-homogenous dyson swarm civilization.

[Anonymous No.11844986]

>>11844975
I am literally >>11844969 and >>11844959
I was referring to the fact that me and the other anon both ended our shitposts with "in minecraft"

[Anonymous No.11844987]

>>11844961
Probably, hopefully we'd get colonists by 2030 but that is probably too optimistic, especially assuming 2026 for the first humans to mars.

[Anonymous No.11844988]

>>11844986
>11844979
>chastising people for using a meme
why exactly do you feel the need to do this?

[Anonymous No.11844991]

>>11844988
I wasn't chastizing, lmao. I used the meme, myself. Why so defensive?

[Anonymous No.11844996]

>>11844969
and?
Refute homo, if you can.

[Anonymous No.11844997]

>>11844991
whatever,

[Anonymous No.11844998]

>>11844997
fuck my keyboard is so gay

[Anonymous No.11845010]

>>11844996
>>11844997
>>11844988
>>11844975
Holy fuck you guys are morons. I used the word groupthink like you'd use the word hivemind, because myself and a different anon posted similar shitposts at close to the same time without seeing each other's posts first, and you thought I was calling you a sheep or whatever similar interpretation you have going on, and you continue to think I was insulting you even after I explained that no, I wasn't. Fuck.
To reiterate, I WAS ONE OF THE TWO ANONS THAT ENDED A POST WITH "IN MINECRAFT", AND I POINTED IT OUT BECAUSE IT WAS FUNNY.

[Anonymous No.11845018]

>>11845010
k

[Anonymous No.11845019]

>>11845010
Imagine shitposting with someone from Pluto. It take them six hours to reply and then another six for your response to get to them.

[Anonymous No.11845025]

>>11844952
Launch Starship from China, I doubt China give a fuck about any space treaty.

[Anonymous No.11845034]

>>11845019
that'll be fun
>>11845025
no, launch it from international waters

[Anonymous No.11845036]

>>11845034
can you get to orbit without violating anyone's airspace that way?

[Anonymous No.11845039]

>>11845036
yes

[Anonymous No.11845041]

>>11845039
ballin'

[Anonymous No.11845049]

Do astronauts Jack off during their mission? I find it hard to believe that every astronaut is capable or willing to do 300+ days of NoFap

>Bob and Doug launch to LEO
>19 hours to the station
>Turn cameras off, go to sleep
>Bob wakes up early to a smacking noise
>Confused, thinks something’s wrong with the ship
>Looks to his left and it turns out the truth is much worse
>Doug is blasting rope

Awkward next three months eh?

[Anonymous No.11845051]

>>11845049
it's worse in the russian section. imagine the smell.

[Anonymous No.11845054]

>>11845041
that is what elon musk plans to do actually
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1272972228326379520

[Anonymous No.11845058]

>>11845051
> In 1998, U.S. astronauts participating in the NASA 6 and NASA 7 visits to Mir collected environmental samples from air and surfaces in Mir's control center, dining area, sleeping quarters, hygiene facilities, exercise equipment, and scientific equipment. Imagine their surprise when they opened a rarely-accessed service panel in Mir's Kvant-2 Module and discovered a large free-floating mass of water. "According to the astronauts' eyewitness reports, the globule was nearly the size of a basketball," Ott said.

[Anonymous No.11845061]

>>11845054
i'd heard that but didn't realise they were explicitly to avoid any nations airspace so giving him a bit of wiggle room in terms of getting away from these spastics and their politicians.

[Anonymous No.11845062]

>>11845058
>In 1998, U.S. astronauts participating in the NASA 6 and NASA 7 visits to Mir collected environmental samples from air and surfaces in Mir's control center, dining area, sleeping quarters, hygiene facilities, exercise equipment, and scientific equipment. Imagine their surprise when they opened a rarely-accessed service panel in Mir's Kvant-2 Module and discovered a large free-floating mass of semen. "According to the astronauts' eyewitness reports, the globule was nearly the size of a basketball," Ott said.
fixed

[Anonymous No.11845064]

>>11845058
>it's real
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2007/11may_locad3

[Anonymous No.11845067]

>Nor was the water clean: two samples were brownish and a third was cloudy white.
lush

[Anonymous No.11845068]

>>11843969
Many would consider it wasn't "hard" simply for having reactionless thruster.

[Anonymous No.11845069]

>>11845064
>>11845062

> Moreover, the mass of water was only one of several hiding behind different panels. Scientists later concluded that the water had condensed from humidity that accumulated over time as water droplets coalesced in microgravity. The pattern of air currents in Mir carried air moisture preferentially behind the panel, where it could not readily escape or evaporate.

>Nor was the water clean: two samples were brownish and a third was cloudy white. Behind the panels the temperature was toasty warm—82ºF (28ºC)—just right for growing all kinds of microbeasties. Indeed, samples extracted from the globules by syringes and returned to Earth for analysis contained several dozen species of bacteria and fungi, plus some protozoa, dust mites, and possibly spirochetes.

[Anonymous No.11845075]

>>11843995
>>11844003
Ad Astra DID get most of the science right.
Their problem was the crazy bad DESIGN (they probably ran out of money).
Their world would have worked if it had fully reusable rocket instead of stock footage of rocket launch and reusing 3D model.

The ending would even have been a good place to use a Orion-type rocket with his well known nuclear-blast propulsion.

[Anonymous No.11845077]

>>11845069
Zero-g swamp when?

[Anonymous No.11845081]

>>11845064
that the nasa website is still so jankey and web 1.0 is pretty kino

[Anonymous No.11845084]

>>11845075
it was an awful film, no amount of hard scifi would have saved it.

[Anonymous No.11845088]

>>11844330
>>the other option is teleoperated robots with haptic feedback.
>No it isn't. This is ridiculously more cumbersome than suits

Wearing a minimal spaceship to use tool that do a job your limited human body can't do
vs
Remote control a sophisticated tools far more precise than your gloved hand will ever be.

You just need better user interface.

[Anonymous No.11845104]

>>11845088
it's not the precision it's the feedbacks. unless we invent a way to literally be in and feel what the robot is feeling while operating it remotely, and in real time, then humans will be better.
we've all put a bolt into a blind hole and know even if it can't be explained the forces and feelings involved to not for example crossthread it.

[Anonymous No.11845108]

take the RO/RP1 pill bros

[Anonymous No.11845112]

>>11845069
>two samples were brownish and a third was cloudy white.
>and a third was cloudy white.

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.11845117]

>>11845088
>>11845104
Has elon really talked about what neuralink can do? Joe rogan got autistically obsessed with it and asked a lot of questions but I still feel like I don’t really understand what it’s all about. Maybe it would serve as the interface. Although that being said, if I’m traveling all the way to another solar system body Id rather be the one doing an EVA

[Anonymous No.11845120]

>>11845117
Elon Musk will become Mr. House

[Anonymous No.11845129]

>>11845117
no idea. i can kind of see how a computer could pick up certain brain or body signals and translate that into say movement of a robot arm, but how the feedback would work where the computer inputs whats happening back into your brain without literally implanting something that generates signals in you, eh that's well beyond my understanding of either biology or electronics.

[Anonymous No.11845134]

>>11845108
I played RO and I made a manned mars lander but it kept crashing and I had to abandon the mission.

But once you play it it ruins vanilla KSP in a good way

[Anonymous No.11845138]

>>11845108
is that a KSP mod?

[Anonymous No.11845139]

>>11845104
Spacesuit are MEANT to keep your human body safe from the deadly outside environment. You DON'T want to "feel it" and haptic feedback is still vastly easier to obtain than relying on the sensor of your glorified meat through glove.

Right now we have surgery done with robot. The only weakness is latency.
Human DO need to go in space. But only to pilot their tools remotely in the most efficient way.

>>11845117
>>11845104
I fucking hate musk trying to get credit for others work, plenty of people have been working on neural MMI before him. He don't need more publicity.
Still, direct neural control of robotic arms including feedback would obviously be a welcome improvement and do a lot to replace spacesuit with remote worker body.

[Anonymous No.11845141]

>>11844303
Finally - a suit fit for me

[Anonymous No.11845143]

>>11845117
>Has elon really talked about what neuralink can do?

Pretty much any sci fi wetware bullshit you can dream of so long as they can get enough electrodes in there. You'll never convince me to put that shit in my brain though, maybe in another timeline where tech companies weren't basically evil given form.

[Anonymous No.11845148]

>>11845049
When space tourism becomes a thing I imagine someone would literally just announce to the world “I just jacked off in space, AMA”. He would either go down in the history books as the first person to ejaculate in space, or force NASA to declassify secret experiments on Skylab that investigated sperm in space.

[Anonymous No.11845151]

>>11844003
It treated an 80-day trip to Neptune as an unthinkable, Herculean task instead of a miracle.
In a future where it takes 80 days to get to Neptune, humanity is tearing apart Kuiper belt objects for fun and profit. Instead, Ad Astra thinks that humanity has stalled at lunar colonization and a pitiful martian presence.

[Anonymous No.11845160]

>>11845151
> 80 days to Neptune
>35 Au in 80 days
> 0.4375 AU/day
>66 million km/day
>764 Kilometers a second
>Have to accelerate to twice that speed and then decelerate
>Trip reaches max speed of 1528 Kilometers a second
>Mfw humanity can reach 0.51% the speed of light

Yeah I never though of this but you’re right. Humans can reach half a percent the speed of light but don’t even go to say Ceres or Jupiter

[Anonymous No.11845169]

>>11845117
>Has elon really talked about what neuralink can do?
Imagine that instead of needing to design a user interface for a piece of software, a machine, a tool, etc., you could instead let people's brains subconsciously figure out how to most efficiently interface with a device.
Imagine being able to tell your brain that an external device is just another body part it needs to figure out how to control. Brains are good at that.

[Anonymous No.11845171]

>>11845148
>Hey buzz we need you to collect your semen to see how lunar gravity affects ejaculation
>”uh okay guys”
>Make sure to use the voice recorder during it
>”yeah sure”
>Also make sure to use the camera during it too
>”why?”
>We need to uh see the droplets and their interaction with one another
>”Yeah sure guys I can do that”
>Also buzz make sure Neil is in the background
>”Why?”
>Uh to coroborate our evidence
>”Sure I’ll tell Neil”
>Also make sure he’s bent over right beside the camera but at an angle so you can see his ass but also his asshole and balls and cock and make him do an aheago face and make sure your semen goes on his asshole you promise you can do that Buzz right?

[Anonymous No.11845172]

>>11845151
>decade+ old mission to neptune that was unexpectedly lost
>have ability to generate antimatter on a small station
>have the tech to reach there in less than 3 months
>no one bothered going and having a look

>protagonist is best of the best super astronaut
>works maintenance on ridiculous megastructure tower
>no wait we'll get him to go have a look
>moon pirates
>28 days later space chimps
>load of pseudo intellectual wank trying to be bladerunner
>take shuttle down to lost station, can't dock, don't tether it, don't think to put ship near it to begin with
>yeet back by launching self off spinning radar tower
>the end
fuck that film

[Anonymous No.11845178]

>>11845160
It's why I hate that movie so god damn much. The writer/producer/director had the fucking gall to say he was going to make "the most realistic depiction of space travel that's been put in a movie."

[Anonymous No.11845179]

>>11845151
People are way too harsh about AD ASTRA. I'd bet they simply didn't have the budget for an extended infrastructure and new 3D model.

The start of the movie is them loosing the space elevator (shaped like a stupid space tower but still valid for what they use it for). In those condition it make sense that going back to the station on Neptune would be a lot more difficult.
And yes, said station on Neptune should have been a gigantic nuclear spaceship.

I concede that whatever was their budget they could have made much better choice. But the MATH does work.

>>11845172
You clearly wouldn't appreciate this kind of movie even if it was done with top notch hard-SF.
There's a lot wrong with what you say as well.
With transplanetary spaceship you'd be very lucky to have fuel to maneuver it closer, hoping your engine exhaust don't cause damage.

[Anonymous No.11845181]

>>11845178
at least interstellar remembered that there is no sound in space
>nah brah the cold gas thrusters go whoosh total realism lmao

[Anonymous No.11845182]

>>11845178
Ad astra would work if the setting was scaled down and the time period was either 20 years in the future or just alternate history.

>Fathers station is at the EML2
>Lunar base/pirates still happen, but reusable rockets are used to get there
> Mars scenes take place on the moon still
>All tech is either Starship or Nautlilus-X based

[Anonymous No.11845197]

>>11843519
Concept sounds incredible. Has it been tested with large high power lasers and experimentally verified though?

[Anonymous No.11845199]

>>11845181
What part are you referring too? Ad Astra did avoid space sound most of the time.
At the very least It's easy to handwave if it come from a thruster working normally.

>space future 2157
>all thrusters come with a small wifi chip that broadcast data when active
>after an accident someone worked on a small apps to improve situational awareness
>any helmet receiving the signal will reproduce the engine sound

[Anonymous No.11845204]

>>11845199
>2157 and bmw are building rocket engines

[Anonymous No.11845212]

>>11845179
>I'd bet they simply didn't have the budget for blah blah blah
Budget is irrelevant, the problem is writing. The facts of the setting don't fit the events of the story. It isn't internally consistent. Either expand the story to fit the setting or shrink the setting to fit the story. It's poor craftsmanship, and that is inexcusable.

[Anonymous No.11845216]

>>11845181
the spinny docking explosion scene in interstellar was good
too bad it was literally the only good part of the movie except maybe the first couple minutes on earth where it seems interesting until they ruin it by going full retard lmao

[Anonymous No.11845221]

>>11845108
Keep it up, anon. I forward that posts pertaining to Ksp with realism overhaul mods installed is relevant to /sfg/, all yay or nay.

[Anonymous No.11845224]

>>11845216
>gunna need multi stage to escape earths gravity well
>but not this planet surrounding a black hole
the station itself was pretty good, the robots were the best characters in it.

[Anonymous No.11845229]

>>11845224
>but not this planet surrounding a black hole

If it’s less massive than Earth then I don’t see why not

[Anonymous No.11845233]

You DO make plans to deorbit all your spent upper stages and other trash, right guys?

[Anonymous No.11845235]

>>11845233
no one likes littering

[Anonymous No.11845236]

>>11845212
It fit as much as it need to. It may not be intentional but you are doing a double standard.
The movie is obviously built as a psychological thriller about social isolation, so you can excuse the artistic license for that.

I do agree that given absolute control you would have to rework the journey in a very methodic way to mimic a proper infrastructure.

>start of his mission
>get to the moon using fully reusable spaceship, with cargo version clearly visible
>space pirate is changed to a private company hiding in a legal clusterfuck of international space and private data
>space chimps is moved near a Lagrange point they have to go to because that's where the Earth-Mars nuclear ship is waiting
>Mars base is militarized because they used Orion nuclear propulsion, that's why they have nuke ready
>and the Neptune mission could have been using antimatter for propulsion or to produce gamma ray for scientific purpose.

I can totally image that when you lack budget you go with what you can do rather than what you wished for.

[Anonymous No.11845241]

>>11845199
>all engine sounds are directly ripped from Ksp
>module is approaching station for docking, module control loop has no control deadtime so it spazzes out like the Starliner capsule test
>continuous overlapping 135 decibel stock Ksp engine ignition and burnout sounds
>aeiou

[Anonymous No.11845244]

>>11845236
See why couldn’t those fuckers that made the movie do at least five minutes of research.

Why are like 99% of “realistic” space movies shite with regards to their Spaceflight. Even stuff like The Martian (movie at least) had a retarded fucking ship.

[Anonymous No.11845246]

>>11845229
It was more massive, and had stronger gravity (remember they were all hunched over and slow because it was supposed to be like 1.6g or something.

[Anonymous No.11845248]

>>11845233
>>11845235
I try to leave extra debris in space just to make the place feel more homey, you know? Like I've been there and been doing enough things to make some clutter.

[Anonymous No.11845256]

>>11845233
Just attach sepratrons to the upper stage that fire when you detach the payload.

[Anonymous No.11845257]

>>11845244
the martian got closer than most do. the orbital ship was just fuckhuge.

[Anonymous No.11845259]

>>11845257
It would’ve been nice if the ship looked like pic related, which is apparently a “realistic version” of the ship.

[Anonymous No.11845260]

>>11845244
As said, when you have real actor and your movie set need to be made of real stuff you go with what you can do rather than what you wished for.

>Even stuff like The Martian (movie at least) had a retarded fucking ship.
I can imagine how it went

>make a LARGE set for your Martian so you can move the camera around and take great shot
>realize the Martian base look way more luxurious than the spaceship
>make the spaceship luxurious with fancy windows

>>11845259
I think you wanted this pic

[Anonymous No.11845261]

>>11845260
>>11845259
Yeah I forgot to add the pic

[Anonymous No.11845264]

>>11845260
Also I think what’s likely is they decided that making the ship look “cool” was important too.

To people like us the “realistic Hermes ” is badass, but to most people they’ll say “wait why does it look like that it looks dumb”.

Still, I’d love to see a movie with pic related as the main ship.

>Voyage adaptation when?

[Anonymous No.11845267]

>>11845233
>need satellite for cosmic ray studies
>has to last at least 3 months
>take my sputnik, give it 2 big solar panels instead of the 4 small ones since they turned out to not provide enough power, add some RCS so I can point it at sun
>yeet it into correct orbit
>realize someone forgot to switch the RCS thrusters from the default nitrogen propellant to the hydrazine that's actually in the tanks
>have no attitude control and batteries run out after a day
who historically accurate soviet space program here

[Anonymous No.11845270]

>>11845260
the amount of shit they could have fitted into the rotating section of that ship yet the interior was as sparse as a corporate waiting room. each module probably had more square footage of space than the average family home and there was like 6 of them with a tiny crew.

[Anonymous No.11845288]

>Compared with a diffracting laser beam, the PROCSIMA architecture increases the probe acceleration distance by a factor of ~10,000, enabling a payload capability of 1 kg for the 42-year mission to Proxima Centauri.
cool
>we just need a 50gw space laser and have no way of decelerating
oh

[Anonymous No.11845294]

>>11845288
A flyby would still yield lots of interesting data

[Anonymous No.11845303]

>>11845294
The images obtained would be amazing

[Anonymous No.11845310]

>>11845129
>without literally implanting something that generates signals in you
Neuralink is literally set on implanting something that generates signals in you.

[Anonymous No.11845321]

>>11845294
still
>50gw orbital deathray

[Anonymous No.11845322]

>>11845054
RIP whales.

[Anonymous No.11845324]

>>11845294
>>11845303
Post your design for a 1 kg probe that has meaningful sensors and can power a signal which will be detectable at 4 light years

[Anonymous No.11845332]

>>11845148
one of the Apollo command module pilots jacked off on the far side of the moon
I forget which man/mission, but there was an unexplained heart rate anomaly out there

[Anonymous No.11845336]

>>11845332
>Float around in a tin can on the far side of the moon
>All alone
>No radio contact
Honestly, wouldn't you?
I'd be beating my dick like it owed me money, but knowing NASA, they probably put some shit in their food to prevent any and all libido.

[Anonymous No.11845339]

houston we have a problem, i just shot a load into neils pressure suit lmao

[Anonymous No.11845342]

>>11845324
Omg this is my calling, I have a schematic my old professor and I did in our free time. It was for a light sale cubesat that could take photos of proxima centauri

[Anonymous No.11845343]

>>11845264
>>11845270
Tell me about it
We are lucky it still look like a nuclear propulsion spaceship in the end. (still have a lot of part that would be hard to launch and assemble in orbit)
I wouldn't be surprised if they based their choices on having already "ISS looking" 3D model in their database. It would take more time to make the "planned" Hermes look awesome.

>>11845264
>Still, I’d love to see a movie with pic related as the main ship.
Only if we make it a deliberately rocketpunk story with the US still in a cold war against the evil commies and everyone have slide rulers because there's no magic "computing thingy".

[Anonymous No.11845348]

>the virgin hard sci fi movies vs the CHAD James Cameron
Why yes, I put the most realistic interstellar ship design in Hollywood history into my nonsensical environmentalist movie about giant blue indians.

[Anonymous No.11845351]

>>11845348
BASED

[Anonymous No.11845354]

>In typical circumstances, this chemical is sold only to companies or government institutions that have the ability to properly handle and utilize the material. Non-professionals have purchased hydrogen peroxide of 70% or lower concentration (the remaining 30% is water with traces of impurities and stabilizing materials, such as tin salts, phosphates, nitrates, and other chemical additives), and increased its concentration themselves. Distillation is extremely dangerous with hydrogen peroxide; peroxide vapor can not ignite but the released oxygen can ignite any material that it is in contact with, detonation is possible depending on specific combinations of temperature and pressure, the detonation is the result of rapid reactive evaporation of the liquid resulting in high temperature and pressure resulting in a violent rupture of the containing vessel. In general, any boiling mass of high-concentration hydrogen peroxide at ambient pressure will produce vapor-phase hydrogen peroxide, which can detonate. This hazard is mitigated, but not entirely eliminated, with vacuum distillation. Other approaches for concentrating hydrogen peroxide are sparging and fractional crystallization.

>Hydrogen peroxide in concentrations of at least 35% appear on the US Department of Homeland Security's Chemicals of Interest list.[9]

who /nonprofessional/ here?

[Anonymous No.11845359]

>>11845354
the impurities and such are what you really need to be scared of when attempting to distill high-test peroxide

[Anonymous No.11845361]

>>11845348
... then I mixed up its concept name "VALKYRIE" with the name of an SSTO shuttle "Venture Star" for no known reason.

[Anonymous No.11845372]

>>11845354
inb4 dead or vanned

[Anonymous No.11845380]

>>11845343
>Space warfare

What would realistic space warships look like? I’m not talking Children of a Dead Earth or The Expanse, I mean like battles in LEO.

>Alternate history 1997, Soviet Union still exists
>Salyut-Polyus sitting in a 1000 Km high 98 degree orbit.
>Space Shuttle Endurance launches from Vandenberg to rendezvous with the station.
>Twenty kilometers out the station fires its guns at Endurance. Endurance returns fire using a 20 mm cannon mounted in the cockpit.
>Damaged by the fires, Salyut-Polyus deploys modified TKS spacecrafts, also armed with a 20mm cannon, and each holding an cosmonaut in an EVA suit sitting in a futuristic version of a B-17 turret
> Bullets riddle Endurance’s hull, but her orientation protects the heat shield from damage
>Still two kilometers out, Endurance opens her payload bay, revealing two dozen Marines in EVA packs and equipped with guns.
>The marines are mowed down by the TKS’ gunfire, but Endurance provides cover and detonates its main propellant tanks, destroying it.
>The Marines teach the exterior of Salyut-Polyus, but are met with armed Cosmonauts in EVA packs
>The last of the Marines are wiped out
>With no other options, Endurance rams the station, bisecting it.
>As the impact was at a low velocity (10 m/s), her cockpit crew all survive, but notice that Endurance is now stuck to the station.
>With the surviving Cosmonauts approaching rapidly, Endurance’s crew undertake the ultimate sacrifice by firing what’s left of her de orbit motors before being gunned down.
>The cosmonauts have won, but now realize that their station is hitting the atmosphere
>Worse, their lifeboats were in the other side of the station, which has now drifted several kilometers away
>A few minutes later heating grows too strong and Salyut-Polyus explodes, tearing apart the trapped Endurance as well.
> Chunks of the pair burn up in the skies over Canada
>Endurance and Salyut are both lost, with all crew KIA

1/2

[Anonymous No.11845381]

>>11845141
Kek

[Anonymous No.11845385]

>>11845380
>What would realistic space warships look like?
May I introduce you to NUCLEAR PULSE PROPULSION

[Anonymous No.11845386]

>>11845343
>>11845380

Some time later

>A piece of metal lays in the snow
>It appears to be parts of Endurance’s Cabin, protected from much of the re entry heating due to its intact and multi-layered TPS
>A box with a glowing light still appears to be active
>On it’s surface is written ENDURANCE MAIN COMPUTER
>The computer sputters a bit, as error messages and NULL DATA warnings flood its system
>The light sputters a bit before going dark
>Endurance dies and the snow still falls and the stars above move unchanged by the futile conflicts fought by mere human beings.

[Anonymous No.11845391]

solar power is harder than it seems

[Anonymous No.11845410]

>>11845380
>battle in LEO
Myself I consider Kessler syndrome to be dangerous enough that both side will do as much as they can to prevent any kind of explosion or destruction.
If you are to capture objective you might even justify boarding and CQC.

[Anonymous No.11845412]

>>11845264
>To people like us the “realistic Hermes ” is badass, but to most people they’ll say “wait why does it look like that it looks dumb”.
explain why it looks like that with exposition then

[Anonymous No.11845415]

>>11845322
we will use whale oil as rocket propellant. what is the specific impulse of whale oil anyways

[Anonymous No.11845422]

>>11845410
Space tugs are cool but unless you are making or refining propellant from in space sources, I don’t see the sense of using a whole other launch to move a payload.

Correct me if I’m wrong though. But like why would you launch a satellite into LEO, then have a second launch carry fuel to a tug into LEO as well. Might as well launch the satellite into LEO and have it rendezvous with a lunar-ice-fueled tug.

[Anonymous No.11845423]

nuclear thermal whale oil when?

[Anonymous No.11845446]

I've taken the nuclear pill. Does anyone where you can mine Uranium in the solar system besides Earth?

Is Plutonium a useable fuel for nuclear thermal rocket reactors? It's obviously vastly inferior in solid and liquid core engines because of its lower melting and boiling point, but what about gas-core?

[Anonymous No.11845448]

>>11845446
plutonium is bad news don't fuck with it
also it's only really useful for bombs, or certain elements for radiothermal generators

[Anonymous No.11845455]

>>11845448
s/elements/isotopes/

[Anonymous No.11845478]

i have proof of liquid metallic hydrogen

[Anonymous No.11845497]

>>11845478
Wanna throw it in my fusion reactor and see what happens?

[Anonymous No.11845498]

>>11845446
maybe mars, but most places in the solar system probably don't have the geological processes necessary to concentrate uranium into ores going on
it's all over the place in low concentrations, but for stuff like asteroids you're looking at something in the range of 10-100 ppb, and the lowest concentrations that anyone bothers mining on earth are around 50,000 ppb

[Anonymous No.11845504]

>>11845498
What kind of processes on Earth cause it to be concentrated? I’ve never really thought about this before but i’m really interested

[Anonymous No.11845513]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zuVTJNALwQ

when will this be a thing

[Anonymous No.11845514]

>>11845244
Can anyone explain how the climax of The Martian worked? I may be remembering it wrong.

>Rescue crew coming in to Mars on a free-return trajectory
>Matt Damon launches off Mars at a precise time such that he can dock with the rescue crew
>Nevermind the massive relative velocity between the two ships
>He runs out of fuel and has to use his EVA pack Kerbal style
>STILL manages to intercept the ship despite his timing getting fucked

[Anonymous No.11845524]

>>11845504
Geophysical ones, just like the processes that concentrate any minerals/elements/chemicals naturally.

[Anonymous No.11845526]

>>11845514
Well he lightened his own ship do that it could have a higher capacity for change in velocity and thus could reach that super fast speed of the big ship. Of course things went wrong and there was improvisation.

The book didn’t have that stupid iron man thing.

[Anonymous No.11845529]

>>11845504
it's complicated, but the basic process is something like
>have some slightly U rich rocks brought near the surface, usually high silica volcanics like granite and shit
>uranium in said molten rocks gets concentrated as they work through the crust, because other stuff drops out of the melt as it cools before the U
>rocks solidify and uranium gets locked in with other shit, this is just your regular granite and nowhere near mineable concentrations
>hydrothermal activity goes through rocks, does a whole bunch of complicated chemical bullshit and leaches the uranium out of the rocks
>uranium gets transported by the water and precipitated out somewhere else into mineable ores
so the main thing is that you need both volcanic/tectonic and hydrothermal activity to concentrate it, and other than earth and maybe mars in the past there's not a lot of accessible places where you have those going on

[Anonymous No.11845535]

>>11845514
His ascent vehicle had enough delta V to match the velocity of the incoming rescue craft but something went wrong and he was off, he could get himself to impact the ship using a small bit of maneuvering but it would have been at slightly too high a speed for him to survive, so he had to puncture the suit or something I dunno I read the book and watched the movie once a long time ago.

[Anonymous No.11845536]

>>11845524
>>11845529
Just out of curiosity are y’all geologists by schooling? I wish it was large enough of a subject to merit a geology general thread. Planetary processes are fascinating.
I’m just having trouble visualizing why this would be easy on Earth but not on Mars. During planetary differentiation, wouldn’t heavier elements be MORE inclined to sink on a more massive planet such as Earth?

[Anonymous No.11845550]

>>11845536
for siderophiles, stuff like platinum group metals that like to dissolve in iron, yeah they all get mixed in with the rest of the iron and pulled down into the core which is why they are rare on the surface of the earth but common in undifferentiated asteroids
for stuff like uranium it gets oxidized and stuck in the lighter rocks instead of sinking down into the core and can then be concentrated by various processes on the surface, so it's the other way around and pretty common on earth but rare in asteroids

[Anonymous No.11845562]

>>11845550
Thanks mate. I asked my mineralogy professor about this last year but she never really answered my question. Also never heard of a siderophile. I’ll look into it

[Anonymous No.11845602]

>>11845562
>>11845550
pic related for abundance in upper crust
weight isn't as important as what kinds of compounds it likes to form, if it's something that likes binding with iron it gets pulled down into the core but if it oxidizes it gets stuck up around the surface
then there's a couple like tellurium and selenium that are pretty common in the universe but rare on earth because they like to form volatile hydrides and fucked off from earth as gasses during formation and some other weird shit like that

[Anonymous No.11845603]

>>11845562
To add, what's in the crust is gonna form a lot of concentrations a lot more easily when shit keeps getting moved and mashed around. On a planet like Mars where the crust is pretty much static there isn't much concentration of minerals happening anywhere.

[Anonymous No.11845617]

>>11845602
Yeah, the light metal hydrides are weird lol. They'd stick around today but back when the Earth was a 3500 degree ball of white hot mantle with no crust those compounds tended to simply fuck right off.
The density of an element doesn't really matter as much as its reactivity, as unreactive metals of even moderate density are still more dense than molten rock and will sink through the mantle. This explains why things like platinum and gold, both extremely unreactive and dense elements, are very rare, while tungsten and uranium are both not that uncommon despite having similar density in pure form.

[Anonymous No.11845623]

>>11845241
you forgot the webm

[Anonymous No.11845632]

>>11845241
>>11845623
kek

[Anonymous No.11845653]

>>11845623
>PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH-PSH-KSH

[Anonymous No.11845685]

>>11845623
Imagine the complete fucking confusion those boeing engineers where having while the capsule was yeeting all over the place.

[Anonymous No.11845699]

>>11845321
Hey, we could sell it to the goverment as a combined scientific and militaty expense AND working around nuclear treaties.
Wich general would say no to a 50 GW deathray from space that can't be blocked?

[Anonymous No.11845727]

>>11845685
I'm sure it was sending back all sorts of useful data such as ICLOCK DISAGREE

[Anonymous No.11845743]

why did you create me it hurts to live

[Anonymous No.11845765]

>>11845324
Basicly:
>1U cubesat
>shielded, radiation hardened microcontroller (redundant)
>folded primary mirror (also used as parabolic antenna and reflecting the laser)
>extendable secondary mirror (also contains transmitter)
>spectrometer (gathers light from mirror optics)
>solid state lithium batteries or supercaps as buffer power source
>small RTG for hibernation phase (1-5W electric at end of mission)
>solar cells on most of surface
>small reaction wheels (inactive for hibernation)
>small hall-sensor for magnetic field measurements

Not realy an expert, but my plan would be to use the RTG for thermal controll and supplying power for the hibernation phase while the solar cells and battery/capaciator provide power during activity.
Having the parabolic mirror perform 3 tasks at once saves a lot of weight, allthough it's a compromise and only allows one task to be done at the same time and requires calibration in flight.
Mission plan would be
>launch
>system check
>retracting transmitter/secondaty mirror
>yeeting it on trajectory by laser
>extending transmitter/secondary mirror
>calibrate
>wait for power buffer to fill up from RTG+solar cells
>transmit system-check
>start spin stabilisation
>enter hibernation period
>system check and transmission once a year
>first set of images shot a bit more than 2x as long as light-lag before arrival
>transmitted directly after
>targets chosen on earth
>transmit back targets of interest
>probe crosses solar system, shoots images and researches
>data transmitted after crossing solar system in packages

[Anonymous No.11845920]

I was making two quick calculations, can you confirm to me that it is possible for a spacecraft to reach 1/4 of speed of light in 17.36 days at constant 5 g acceleration?

[Anonymous No.11845923]

>>11845920
at 1/4*c it would be possible to reach Proxima Centauri in around 16 years.

[Anonymous No.11845990]

>>11845920
The real question is how you plan on archiving almost 50 m/s2 of acceleration for over 17 days.
At that kind of acceleration your only realistic options are chemical rockets or maybe nuclear thermal rockets.
And the rocket equation dictates that it's unrealistic, unless you consider a 100+ stage rocket realistic.

Maybe a nuclear engine of some sort and quite a lot of hydrogen-droptanks to fuel it would be a more practical solution.

[Anonymous No.11845991]

>>11845920
Neglecting relativistic effects, sure.

[Anonymous No.11845997]

>>11845991
>Neglecting relativistic effects
of course, btw at which fraction of c they start seriously kicking in? Like 1/10 or so?

[Anonymous No.11845999]

>>11845990
>how you plan on archiving almost 50 m/s2 of acceleration for over 17 days.
It surely must be a nuclear engine, the only type with such an energy density. Fission and later fusion?
It will need to be a pretty big ship too...

[Anonymous No.11846004]

>>11845997
>>11845991
I thought relativistic effects like time dilation/length contraction are basically unnoticeable until 0.8c and above?

[Anonymous No.11846010]

>>11846004
wait I'm gonna compute it

[Anonymous No.11846014]

>>11846010
according to this

[Anonymous No.11846021]

>>11845997
>>11846004
Honestly I'm not sure what would be the final speed. Maybe 20% instead of 25%?

[Anonymous No.11846038]

>>11846021
got it, wait a sec, almost there

[Anonymous No.11846043]

>>11846038
>>11846021
>>11846010
>>11846004

Yes is stays pretty unnoticeable until around 0.8 - 0.85c if I've computed correctly

[Anonymous No.11846061]

>>11846043
above 0.9 mass increases extremely fast demanding for an immense amount of energy to accelerate more. but that's good news, meaning that with an ideal spaceship you could get to Proxima in 4.7 years.

[Anonymous No.11846070]

>>11846061
Or get to Sirius in 9.55 years at 0.9c, without counting the necessary ~60 days needed to accelerate and 60 days to decelerate.

[Anonymous No.11846110]

>>11845422
Excuse me I got busy soon after posting.
Space tug are for the occasion where you need something that maneuver faster than a 100000 tons carrier-ship/cargoship.

Take your satellite, can it "rendezvous" by itself? (with all the orbital change)
Do you have the large cargo ship waste a lot of its fuel moving it up? Or do you just use a smaller craft use less fuel for that.

You say ice-fueled so I'm assume nuclear propulsion (a rather big tug), it come with a lot of restriction (you can't accidentally point your radiation toward the wrong direction).

[Anonymous No.11846241]

>>11845010
>use term incorrectly
>get angry that people misunderstand you
communicate properly

[Anonymous No.11846255]

>>11845999
Even with nuclear, the fuel to payload ratio would be insanely poor.
>>11846061
At that speed the question is not only how long it takes, but how long it takes from wich perspective.
Because the trip will be shorter from the perspective of the guys in the spacecraft than it would be for the guys on earth.

[Anonymous No.11846286]

>>11846110
Space tugs are also usefull for when you need to ship payload in both directions.
Let's take GEO as an example:
One needs to accellerate new satellites up to GEO and de-orbit old ones.
The mass ratio between up and down is about 1:1.

An ion thruster powered space tug could take payloads + xenon reaction mass from LEO up to GEO and take GEO satellites down to LEO to de-orbit.
The only question is if the power source of the space tug shall be solar or nuclear.
It could also perform refueling missions on older satellites in GEO, given that these satellites have the required conections to do so.

A standard to conect satellites would be required to do so.
(except to de-orbit, a net and a teather would be sufficient here)

[Anonymous No.11846295]

>>11846241
Only now do I see he meant 'hivemind' but didn't know the word. Should've lurked moar, poor buggah.

[Anonymous No.11846355]

Speaking of hiveminds
How should we go about building a swarm intelligence of drones to construct space ships/stations?

[Anonymous No.11846360]

>>11846355
we need a futurism general

[Anonymous No.11846372]

>>11846360
Swarm intelligence robots have been created, you just need to build robots capable of doing useful tasks and coordinating them

[Anonymous No.11846397]

>>11846372
>We've built robots that can follow simple distancing rules to make neat patterns
>There are clearly no steps whatsoever between this and mass orbital construction beyond putting claw arms on them
You go do that and laugh away the tears when it becomes monetized by someone unconnected to you in 60 years when it's finally practical

[Anonymous No.11846400]

>>11846372
sorry for ignoring your post it just made me think about starting a futurism general

we'll see how far robotics advances in the coming years. if we can make cheap reliable robotic systems space will become much easier. I'm of the opinion that early space colonization will have to involve remote robotics to a great degree for setting up bases and performing resource extraction. using humans for everything will be way too expensive

[Anonymous No.11846423]

Thoughts on ULA’s Cislunar-1000 plan?

It’s too bad they don’t do jack shit unless a contract is waved at them, cause this is pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.11846432]

>>11846423
anybody have the edit that's just expendable launch vehicles?

[Anonymous No.11846442]

Page 9 = new thread

>>11846440
>>11846440
>>11846440
>>11846440

[Anonymous No.11846510]

>>11846432
It isn't Incorrect though, the launch vehicles themselfes are expendable ones in their plan if I understood it correctly.
Only the TLI-stage is re-used and refueled.

[Anonymous No.11846514]

>>11846510
And here:

[Anonymous No.11846536]

>>11845446
>nuclear thermal rockets
more like 90% enrichment nuclear salt water rockets

[Anonymous No.11846547]

>>11845727
the fact that the clock was set for the indian timezone makes it even funnier

[Anonymous No.11846552]

>>11845990
fusion/antimatter torchdrive or beamed propulsion

[Anonymous No.11846567]

>>11846423
if starship works, even if it is 10x as expensive and can only launch once per day, or heck only once per week, it'd be completely negated because we'd probably see more like 20000 people in cislunar space (includes lunar surface) and at the very least 100000 people on mars

[Anonymous No.11846569]

>>11846514

[Anonymous No.11846585]

Launch Cat is watching you launch

[Anonymous No.11846609]

>>11846585
no estronauts allowed

[Anonymous No.11846669]

>>11846552
>fusion torchdrive
Probably enough thrust/weight ratio for 50 m/s2 average accelleration.
>antimatter torchdrive
I don't see how we could produce that stuff in any significant quantity, much less enough to accellerate even a probe like that.
>beamed propulsion
That's limites to realy low accelleration of realy lightweight spacecraft.

[Anonymous No.11846931]

>>11846070
Only negative is that it requires magic such a shame