/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11823492]

What's the cause for the huge disparity in IQ between the different human populations? Racism?

[Anonymous No.11823497]

>>11823492
Cultural differences.
Genetics is a social construct.

[Anonymous No.11823498]

>>11823492
technologically advanced society.
see Guns, Germs and Steel.

[Anonymous No.11823501]

>>11823492
unironically having monkey in your dna has adverse affects

who could have imagined

[Anonymous No.11823505]

>>11823501
plz fuck off back to >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.11823507]

>>11823492
Different races, duh.

[Anonymous No.11823511]

China is going to eat us alive

[Anonymous No.11823513]

>>11823505

[Anonymous No.11823515]

>>11823492
Some ethnic groups were subject to Clark-Unz selection while others weren't.

https://www.unz.com/jman/more-on-farming-and-inheritance-systems-part-i-iq/
https://www.unz.com/jman/iq-ceilings/
https://www.unz.com/pfrost/more-on-clarks-model/
https://www.unz.com/pfrost/final-thoughts-on-clark-unz-model/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-evolution-of-chinese-iq/

[Anonymous No.11823518]

>>11823497
poor bait

[Anonymous No.11823522]

>>11823511
china gets all the rich kids from shanghai to represent their entire country on global tests
theres plenty of illiterate rice farmers and factory workers that arent accounted for

[Anonymous No.11823550]

>>11823511
Given their dietary preferences, maybe literally.

[Anonymous No.11823560]

>>11823550
You think they'd eat the furries first? Sell it as "exotic animal meat" that'll make your dick bigger or something.

[Anonymous No.11823576]

It's so weird how some people think about the world that surrounds them, while some other people only worry about how black they are.

[Anonymous No.11823583]

>>11823492
Civilization development

[Anonymous No.11823587]

>>11823522
shanghai is their ny, hong kong is their la, and peking is their dc

[Anonymous No.11823597]

>>11823583
But why are slanty eyes arr rook same capable of civilization, but blackies are not? What is the mystery here?

[Anonymous No.11823600]

china with its big brain will steamroll absolutely-every-fucking-body

[Anonymous No.11823618]

>Genetic bottlenecking through migration and disease
>Iodine Nutrition
>prenatal malnutrition
>prenatal stress through cortisol levels
>assorted mating
>basic literacy rates
>social stratification

[Anonymous No.11823627]

>>11823597
Why are prepubescent brain damaged youth capable of coherent english, but you are not? What is the mystery here?

[Anonymous No.11823637]

>>11823492
About a hundred thousand years ago the entire population of humans was in Africa. All of the smart people left because Africa fucking sucks. This left only retards to reproduce in Africa which evolved into the modern black race, and all the smart people who left evolved into whites and asians. The smart races are due to a founder effect where groups of smart people migrated and formed their own societies.

[Anonymous No.11823718]

>>11823637

Half right, migration did result in higher IQ populations (along with other factors). But the IQ averages heavily vary and even a few populations went lower than the initial source population like Aboriginal Australians and certain Oceania populations.

[Anonymous No.11823723]

>>11823560
Hopefully

[Anonymous No.11823760]

>>11823492
Jews

[Anonymous No.11823791]

>>11823492
there seems to be a correlation to how poor those countries are

[Anonymous No.11823796]

>>11823492
Diet, and China is rated too high.

[Anonymous No.11823810]

>>11823492

Climate change

[Anonymous No.11823813]

>>11823492
Onions, onions, and coffee

[Anonymous No.11823826]

>>11823718
All the races that had civilisation are smarter
Like it stays in our genes, like civility is not just a learned behaviour

Like the famous fox breeding experiment that bred less and less ild feral foxes that were eventually totally ok with human presence and even changed in appearance to look less threatening
Africans for example had a really basic civilisation through history, they are still lagging behind the world and that lag will probably last longer because their sub species jus spent so little time in a highly organised social effort that is moder civilisation. They are still getting used to it so im sure that as time goes bye they will improve their cognitive abilities.

[Anonymous No.11823851]

>>11823826
Up until around the 1500s civilizations all over the world were on par with each other. There was no lag until the advanced stages of the Renaissance.

[Anonymous No.11823853]

>>11823492
>/pol/
sage

1. The more a country is developed, the greater the access and quality of education.
2. Less developed country = Less incentive/reason to structure its society around education

[Anonymous No.11823874]

>>11823851
When Europeans started colonizing Africa they found just a bunch of little dispersed tribes that were even having pretend warfare - the Dutch learned them basics of combat and the it all went to shit - learn about shaka zulu
And the lag started to accumulate before that period because while the Europeans were killing eachother in hundred year wars and building castles Africans still lived in mud huts.
At some point the Asians and even south American civs surpassed Africans.
South American civs although advanced just stopped growing sciebtifically

[Anonymous No.11823885]

>>11823874
That stop in scientific pursuit was most probably because well.. Both south America and Africa are paradise territory. Someone said Africa sucks but that's far from the truth.
Majority of the African population (that was always very low until sooner ages) lived in the middle part of Africa that has food just dangling from the sky everywhere. Same for South america
All the jungle civs were hurt of this because when you live in a land of plenty and create a very strong theological dogma there is little need for progress

[Anonymous No.11823886]

i guess 16 fucking active race threads aren't enough to answer this question

[Anonymous No.11823896]

>>11823492
Why is no country blue?

[Anonymous No.11823898]

>>11823874

In Africa there's only three countries/regions that matter, Egypt, Ethopia and Nigeria. That's the three that actually had significant history and artifacts to show for it. And are still the three that are relevant even today.

[Anonymous No.11823912]

>>11823874
>When Europeans started colonizing Africa they found just a bunch of little dispersed tribes that were even having pretend warfare
Colonization started to happen in the 1500s, precisely when I mentioned the lag started. Europeans didn't encounter dinky little tribes, they encountered typical medieval cities and kingdoms.

[Anonymous No.11823916]

>>11823886
/pol/ has irreversibly ruined this site.

[Anonymous No.11823939]

>>11823912
Still castles made from mud and most of those empires lacked basic metallurgy and other science related stuff - while Europeans had guns armor and ships

I cannot remember what time period was mansas Musa pilgrimage that had like mad amounts of gold and gifts in its entourage, but even his empire didn't really Excell at science. All those empires focused more on tribal traditions

I'm also getting facts out of my ass I'm not gonna pretend I'm right so you might be right

As far as I understood, when the Europeans got to Africa it was a race amongst them, especially the Dutch and the British - so they started educating those empires in modern warfare and that just fucked everything up additionally for Africans as they themselves started to lobby for power among colonialists and wanted guns for themselves

Also at medieval times all the castles were made from mud and were at max two stories tall unlike European brick ones - also very poor metallurgy
Literally hope I'm wrong for Africans sake

[Anonymous No.11823941]

>>11823587
ok thank you kind autist

[Anonymous No.11823945]

>>11823618
based epigenetics posting

[Anonymous No.11823993]

>>11823939
You are wrong about a lot of things. You really overestimate where Europe was at by 1500. Science and metallurgy were not very impressive. Africa was ahead on metallurgy for a while in earlier time periods.
>Also at medieval times all the castles were made from mud and were at max two stories tall
Absolutely false. In some of these cities, multi-story buildings were common. Don't believe me? Listen to Vasco De Gama's writing on Mogadishu in the 1400s:
>We found ourselves off a large town, with houses of several stories, big palaces in its centre, and four towers around it.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46440/46440-h/46440-h.htm#Page_88

[Anonymous No.11824070]

>>11823492
Natural filters, the only reason IQ increases is because natural conditions kill off the stupid fast breeders allowing the moderate normal ones to become genetically dominant. This is however impossible in Africa thats why their intelligence is virtually unchanged compared to the very first homo sapiens. Since all Eurasians are closely related there is no much IQ difference between us but Africans and Australoids are distinct groups thats why they have the intelligence of what would be considered another species not humans.

[Anonymous No.11824075]

>>11823501
White people are literally closer related to homo erectus than blacks.

[Anonymous No.11824076]

Unironically yes, widespread extreme poverty and little to no access to a functioning education system severely impairs brain development and the verbal and abstract reasoning skills needed for an IQ test

[Anonymous No.11824077]

>>11824075
oops meant for
>>11823505

[Anonymous No.11824087]

>>11824076
but african americans have smartphones and welfare and foostamps and affirmative action, and true the gap is smaller, but still significant.

[Anonymous No.11824093]

>>11823851
>"Up until around the 1500s civilizations all over the world were on par with each other."

Is that why europeans ran a 1000 year continuous hegemony over the middle east since alexander the great?

[Anonymous No.11824095]

>>11823993
>africa was ahead in metallurgy
Good one.

[Anonymous No.11824099]

>>11823492
Even small variations in genetic predispositions could cause watershed phenomenon where the slightly more evolved groups achieve an upward path of epigenetic health magnifying intelligence disparities

[Anonymous No.11824102]

>>11824095
its the /his/ africanon don't engage them

[Anonymous No.11824142]

>>11824095
Your cluelessness truly knows no bounds. Yes, all this is very easily searchable:
https://africa.si.edu/exhibitions/current-exhibitions/striking-iron-the-art-of-african-blacksmiths/africas-iron-origins-archeological-evidence/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_metallurgy_in_Africa

[Anonymous No.11824156]

>>11824076
Our IQs are unchanged since 30,000 B.C.

[Anonymous No.11824170]

>>11824156
I unironically think the Gravettian made Caucasian hunter gatherers more intelligent and not just through selection.

[Anonymous No.11824188]

>>11824156
I shit you not, I had a cultural anthropology teacher in college that had us read an article about how the high jewish fertility rates in the dark ages and the low gentile fertility rates made the smarter jews take a big step forward in evolution over the goyim

[Anonymous No.11824189]

Tougher conditions led to much higher stress on population development. Eurasians also experienced serious gene pool bottlenecks, more inbreeding, and founder effect.

[Anonymous No.11824225]

>>11823492
Didn't somebody set up an online IQ test seek8ng to prove this, only to show there are at most a few point differences?

[Anonymous No.11824228]

>>11824225

Right anon, the online IQ test (self proctored) with the same sampling bias in South Korea and the inner Congo.

[Anonymous No.11824229]

>>11823515
It could be much more easily explained by the vikings, and previously the yamnaya/sea peoples. This makes whites think more like the self reliant warrior nomads, rather than the interdependent collectivist farmers.

[Anonymous No.11824233]

>>11824189
Europeans don't experience more genetic disease though, do they? I mean, there's less genetic diversity the further you go from Africa, but none of it seems detrimental.

[Anonymous No.11824234]

>>11824233

Winter is the challenge, not disease. Disease acts at random and can't be mitigated by intelligence and foresight. A lot of people had to perish for Eurasians to get smart enough to navigate their environment.

[Anonymous No.11824240]

>>11824234
>Disease acts at random and can't be mitigated by intelligence and foresight.
Wew fucking lad

[Anonymous No.11824242]

>>11824240

It has only become understood within the past 200 years anon. Don't try to pretend any differently. At any rate it's a common denominator anyway.

[Anonymous No.11824246]

>>11824242
I can't believe this board, my God. I gotta leave this place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_medicine

[Anonymous No.11824252]

>>11824246

>cavetards had natural medicine, that means they understood microbes on a scientific level

Can you shut the fuck up?

[Anonymous No.11824266]

>>11824252
Lol wtf are you talking about. The Eurasians planning for winter didn't understand the axial tilt of the Earth either. You're just talking nonsense.

[Anonymous No.11824282]

>>11824266

HAHA LOL ACTING LIKE YOU DONT GET WHAT IM SAYING LOL

Disease and plagues were poorly understood and most major human killing diseases only got figured out within the past 200 years, mostly through vaccination. Humans couldn't beat them mentally, rather mitigate their impact through natural treatment that didn't put much of a dent in their spread.

Yes, winter was very regular and understood by prehistoric humans. It came at the same time, for around the same length of time, every year. The smartest among the humans who traveled into colder climes figured out how to outlast it. The dumber, more myopic, more impulsive members didn't.

Honestly if you can't reason on a basic level yes, you should probably leave this board. /co/ might be more your speed.

[Anonymous No.11824481]

>>11824229
Le nomad meme

[Anonymous No.11824486]

>>11824481
I have no idea what this image means.

[Anonymous No.11824490]

>>11824486
Maybe this one is better

[Anonymous No.11824496]

>>11824486
>>11824490
Fuck wrong map, but basically europeans are mostly EEF(early european farmers) and native european hunter gathers, the IEs came in and raped everyone.

[Anonymous No.11824751]

>>11824189
Europe’s climate is way more regulated though lol. Also Africa isn’t easy just as a heads up.

[Anonymous No.11824755]

>>11823492
This is a shitposting thread anon. Sorry people had to ruin it.

[Anonymous No.11824760]

>>11823492
Education is limited since public education isn’t universal so many can’t afford it completely alongside how language is taught in many countries. Funding for education is weak so many lost secondary places don’t really have the resources to conduct research or get paid for doing it. Not to mention the teacher pool is limited so some teachers are not qualified or are inexperienced.

Nutrition it’s been repeated so don’t go over that. Many places still have older populations who weren’t educated or are illiterate so they tend lower the stats.

[Anonymous No.11824761]

>>11823718
Sources?

[Anonymous No.11824763]

>>11823492
mostly nutrition. After that culture and genetics.
And with culture I mean attentive care of the child up to at least 4 years old.

Genetics doesn’t explain more than a 10 IQ difference.

[Anonymous No.11824767]

>>11823522
good studies don’t do that. Also check vietnam.

[Anonymous No.11824771]

>>11823576
literally happened only in your imagination.

[Anonymous No.11824774]

>>11823492
the easier to survive the lower the iq. In difficult enviroments niggers are simply shot dead or freeze to death

[Anonymous No.11824775]

>>11823791
there seems to be a correlation with malaria.

[Anonymous No.11824778]

>>11823853
education has no significant impact on IQ, try again.

[Anonymous No.11824794]

>>11823898
Algeria and Tunisia have a more significant history than Nigeria since antiquity. They have a writing system old of 3000 years old.

[Anonymous No.11824804]

Because different populations differ in general cognitive ability

[Anonymous No.11824806]

>>11824804
On average*

[Anonymous No.11824808]

>>11824763
Your environment is a product of your genetic predisposition to behavior.

[Anonymous No.11824813]

>>11823492
It's the economy, stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWSxzjyMNpU

[Anonymous No.11824843]

>>11824808
That’s a just so-isn at its finest anon.

[Anonymous No.11824846]

>>11824794
Nigeria also has pretty nice history though in the distant past.

[Anonymous No.11824849]

>>11824778
Have you seen the education in many poor nations? Over crowded classes, many students dropping out due to external factors, lack of use local languages in education, weak funding etc. It’s far from a clear cut yes or no answer let alone if we should even frame it as such.

[Anonymous No.11824870]

some parts of africa are horrible places to live. In equatorial africa even keeping animals has been impossible for hundreds of years, you can only just eke out an existence there - im willing to bet central african blacks score lowest on iq

Show me IQ studies done on multiple generation african americans

[Anonymous No.11824874]

>>11824843
It's not. Are you implying that the difference between beavers and bears in terms of being likely to build dams isn't an effect of their genetic predisposition to doing so?

[Anonymous No.11824875]

>>11824874
Western civilization wasn't some gift bestowed upon Europeans.

[Anonymous No.11824883]

>>11823791
Maybe it's the other way around and Africa is poor because black people are retarded

[Anonymous No.11824886]

>>11824875
western civilization was created by crafty brown skinned mediterraneans. Once it declined it was inherited by savages who let its great cities grow over with grass while their shitty kings had to move from one spot to another to even feed their people - these are white people, when you are proud of your ancestors its these amazing illiterate individuals who started your lineage.

It took a thousand years for thought to start shyly flourishing again -surprise - in the Mediterranean

[Anonymous No.11824890]

>>11824883
That would make more sense because every continent on earth was poor at some point

[Anonymous No.11824895]

>>11824886
Okay? Sure? Is it not possible for genetic changes to take place in that timespan that would predispose Northwestern Europeans towards intelligence?

[Anonymous No.11824905]

>>11824895
Not unlikely especially considering how society was built back then.

Imagine if northwestern europeans suddenly get clockwork internet in the year say 1550. What are they shitposting about?

IQ differences between the peasants and nobility, I guarantee. Note that peasants arent even posting.

[Anonymous No.11825020]

>>11824849
and still education has no significant impact on IQ. The tests are specifically made to isolate variables like culture and education.

[Anonymous No.11825026]

>>11825020
Not always. Tests like Raven's progressive matrices are significantly better at controlling for cultural and educational variables than the Wechsler or Stanford-Binet tests because they're completely non-verbal.

[Anonymous No.11825027]

>>11824886

No it wasn't, they were Caucasoids just the same as other Euro groups. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11825035]

>>11824886
Very brown indeed.

[Anonymous No.11825043]

>>11825020
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3258640/

It’s not a clear cut answer for yes or no

[Anonymous No.11825046]

>>11824883
There’s countries that aren’t “smart” yet are well off.

[Anonymous No.11825048]

>>11823492
different environments and happenstance

populations experience environments together, so any observed genetic correlations are an effect of environment, not a cause.
that's why nigerian immigrants destroy whites on IQ tests in UK and USA
(1/2)

[Anonymous No.11825052]

>Europeans and N. Africans have their way with sub saharans with ease and colonize the shit out of it
>modern IQ tests categorically have them at the bottom of the barrel
>their diaspora are similarly underwhelming across the board
>their GDP in 2020 remains dreadful (worse than Australia all combined) despite many other former colonies rising to prominence in other parts of the world

We still can't know why this is anons. There's gotta be some X factor in there.. maybe we should send even more pallets of money and food to finally make it happen

[Anonymous No.11825054]

>>11825020
>and still education has no significant impact on IQ.
A good education should and does make a difference. One year adds 1-5 points. Obviously you can't keep tacking on years indefinitely, but someone whose family is able to afford private schooling, and who continues through a Masters Degree or PhD, is going to generally be much better off than a high school dropout whose school couldn't afford decent teachers or materials. It's suspected that the two major reasons for the Flynn Effect are better pre-natal nutrition, and education that forces students to develop the same type of logic skills that are also part of IQ tests. Basically, nutrition may have caused a real increase in intelligence, but education made us better at solving logic puzzles, which also shows up in higher IQ scores.

10.1016/j.intell.2015.01.003
>Given prior research on the impact of formal education on IQ, a three-tiered hypothesis positing that schooling, and its expansion and intensification over the education revolution, is one likely cause of the Flynn Effect is tested in three studies. First, a neuroimaging experiment with children finds that neuromaturation is shaped by common activities in school, such as numeracy, and share a common neural substrate with fluid IQ abilities. Second, a field study with adults from insolated agrarian communities finds that variable exposure to schooling is associated with related variation in the mental abilities. Third, a historical–institutional analysis of the cognitive requirements of American mathematics curriculum finds a growing cognitive demand for birth cohorts from later in the 20th century. These findings suggest a consilience of evidence about the impact of mass education on the Flynn Effect and are discussed in light of the g-factor paradigm, cognition, and the Bell Curve debate.

[Anonymous No.11825057]

>>11825048

Anon if you're going to try to fire off a "rational" response you should start by not omitting the fact that Nigerian immigrants are selected on a merit wise basis. Yes, if you take a country's smartest tail enders exclusively they're going to be collectively smart as a group. That is a terrible sampling error

[Anonymous No.11825065]

>>11823492
>>11825048
it's also why koreans and "burakumin" (japanese from the area of osaka) show a performance gap similar to the black/white gap in america, despite being very similar genetically.

so to answer the question, racism is not the cause, but rather it's an effect seen in brainlets with limited working memories.

[Anonymous No.11825070]

>>11825065
>so to answer the question, racism is not the cause, but rather it's an effect seen in brainlets with limited working memories.

What?

[Anonymous No.11825072]

>>11825057
Not all Nigerians are well off though.

[Anonymous No.11825075]

>>11825052
africa is hardmode.

>>11825057
>Yes, if you take a country's smartest tail enders exclusively they're going to be collectively smart as a group.
and thus you have de facto admitted what the true genetic potential of the group is.
remember, if i take the smartest monkeys, they won't outscore even the dumbest humans.

[Anonymous No.11825076]

Reminder that the rest of the world has over 100 times more fluoride content in drinking water and it's established that fluoride shock can cause behavioral disorders.

[Anonymous No.11825077]

>>11825052
>their GDP in 2020 remains dreadful (worse than Australia all combined) despite many other former colonies rising to prominence in other parts of the world

Which ones? The only decent ones are the settler states.

[Anonymous No.11825080]

>>11825043
huh, I red it mentioned a few times in some papers.
Btw, the study you linked is horrible. Rarely have I seen so much text with such low information content.
But you seem to be right.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797618774253

[Anonymous No.11825082]

>>11825075

>Look, I ignored the IQs of the dumbest 75% of their society, now they're smart

Not really a valid rebuttal unless you plan on exterminating the dumbest 75% of Africans and letting the smart ones rebuild their society

[Anonymous No.11825083]

>>11825052
Vastly different histories and colonial policies. Also the only good ex colony states are the settler ones and even then that’s restricted to 4 tops.

[Anonymous No.11825084]

>>11825026
let me correct myself. Good tests.

[Anonymous No.11825085]

>>11825080
It said what was needed.

[Anonymous No.11825092]

>>11825054
Thank you, I already checked and revised my opinion/statement.

[Anonymous No.11825094]

>>11825077

You don't have to be decent, or Europe-level to be better than sub-Saharan African level. Most of S. America is doing significantly better.

[Anonymous No.11825095]

>purely economic reasons of course

[Anonymous No.11825096]

>>11823851
>Up until around the 1500s civilizations all over the world were on par with each other
no

[Anonymous No.11825100]

>>11825082
Anon it just shows that with a middle class background Nigerians perform good based on their testing. These middle class tested folk are not some ubermensch or genetic perfected Nigerians but just kids who managed to get a middle class background in a developing nation.

[Anonymous No.11825103]

You supremacist are going to need to buy a ticket and go, spread your seed, to diminish what you fear. Breed it out. It won't take much.

[Anonymous No.11825105]

>>11825094
And yet they aren’t really relevant in top of several facing financial issues or in Argentina’s case defaulting a lot.

[Anonymous No.11825112]

>>11825100

They were not selected at random from Nigeria. Do you understand the most basic principles of statistics?

[Anonymous No.11825113]

>>11825082
>Not really a valid rebuttal unless you plan on exterminating the dumbest 75% of Africans and letting the smart ones rebuild their society
this only makes sense if we assume that iq is entirely based on genetics.
in fact such a plan is unnecessary. we need only let the dumbest 75% of africans have access to what the smartest 25% had access to.

[Anonymous No.11825114]

>>11825076
>the rest of the world
>only a USA thing

[Anonymous No.11825116]

>>11825105

Ok

[Anonymous No.11825119]

>>11825113

No IQ has nothing to do with genetics, humans became much smarter than other primates by magic and kollej, mental evolution clearly had nothing to do with that

[Anonymous No.11825133]

>>11825119
you're right, i was being imprecise, didn't realize you'd already run out of arguments.
"if we assume that human intelligence can be predicted by racial phenotype"
better?

[Anonymous No.11825140]

>>11825133

You aren't making an argument, I don't have much to say. It's already a consensus that IQ is more a product of nature than nurture even if both factor in. Throwing money at an issue has seriously diminishing returns because dumb kids aren't going to learn any harder just because you insist on it.

[Anonymous No.11825154]

>>11825140
Because money isn’t the only thing needed. More education money would help a lot of nations in the world to be honest on top of making education cheaper and more attainable.

In the us the difference between an rural school and a well off urban one is that the latter has more local tax money to pull from as well as private donations to help fund it and I’ve bern to both to see it in action.

[Anonymous No.11825160]

>>11825154

Or countries could do stuff like improving on their own and harnessing their own intellectual potential to improve like other countries did before them rather than begging for handouts, because that's what intelligent, perceptive individuals do

[Anonymous No.11825163]

>>11825046
Yeah the oil states etc. Africa has a shit ton of resources as well but they are too stupid to do anything with it.

[Anonymous No.11825166]

>>11825160
Brah developed countries poach educated people from those countries. In reality those countries pay for that education but never reap the fruits of it. Brain drain.

[Anonymous No.11825169]

>>11825163
Oil prices fluctuate a ton so they aren’t reliable. Before you say Norway that country was pretty good pre-oil.

[Anonymous No.11825172]

>>11825166

Pay for it with what? If your people earn $2k/year on average there isn't much of a tax base. I've got a question anon, say things haven't changed much in 50 years, are you still going to cling to your dogma then? Why is the concept of some groups of people being smarter or more productive than others entirely unfathomable for you. Everything is relative, that functionally has to be the case

[Anonymous No.11825178]

Do you motherfuckers never get tired of making IQ threads?

[Anonymous No.11825184]

>>11825178

We've seen the results of a world where cultural/academic Marxists have successfully convinced everybody of no innate mental differences whatsoever, everything has to due to racism instead. Underperforming? Racism, no chance anything else is involved. Then they can burn things down, make demands, like radical political overhaul. Sorry you have to see inconvenient stuff in the non censored corners of the internet

[Anonymous No.11825191]

>>11825172
Money spent educating a person. If a person who became a doctor just moved to Britain you lost years and a lot of resources educating him and not only that but you lost a doctor so your health sector lost a man. In Uganda there were 12 urologists and only 1 stayed.

[Anonymous No.11825196]

>>11825184
So what happens when a white demographic underperforms like white southerners vs other whites? Like statistically they are notably lacking vs other us regional whites.

[Anonymous No.11825199]

>>11825096
Sorry your education was so eurocentric. I truly am.

[Anonymous No.11825202]

>>11825140
>It's already a consensus that IQ is more a product of nature
What? That's maybe the consensus of social """scientists""", but in the field of psychometrics intelligence is known to be 50-80% genetic, depending on how old the person is when measured.

[Anonymous No.11825204]

>>11825140
>Throwing money at an issue has seriously diminishing returns because dumb kids aren't going to learn any harder just because you insist on it.
true, but the point here is the majority of the planet hasn't reached the point where the returns start to diminish.

[Anonymous No.11825207]

>>11825196

They have to grin and bear it rather than getting to riot and demand more.

[Anonymous No.11825212]

>>11825204

>Live in the wealthiest, highest opportunity country in the nation
>where poor people the world over bang at the doors and risk their lives to sneak in
>get helicopter grant money from the state and fed
>still can't manage to work and earn enough and allocate local tax money efficiently to maintain a stupid fucking school

This argument isn't working the way you're thinking it is. If anything it's a serious indictment of African ability when surrounded by factors that should be pumping their chances up big time. Even in the US, these schools are dilapidated and dysfunctional, despite the help. Why is that

[Anonymous No.11825217]

>>11825212
>in the nation
*in the world

[Anonymous No.11825221]

>>11825202

50-80% is "more" than 20-50%, right anon?

[Anonymous No.11825234]

>>11823492
Not just racism, systematic institutionalized white supremacy. It's everywhere, like the ether.

[Anonymous No.11825237]

>>11825207
They shouldn’t just grin and bear it. Especially since they are falling behind barring a few states and aren’t able to compete globally.

[Anonymous No.11825242]

>>11823492
>What's the cause for the huge disparity in IQ between the different human populations?

Intelligence is a highly polygenic trait, varying along large genetic clusters in population.

[Anonymous No.11825245]

>>11825212
Because a lot of teachers in poor schools are inexperienced and underpaid. Also teaching as profession in the US is a joke in terms of lack of support they get in dealing with kids.

[Anonymous No.11825250]

>>11825237

They should do better then. They don't need to demand more money from others than they already get. This is already a very generous public system.

[Anonymous No.11825265]

>>11825250
There’s been a lot of divestment in those areas in education alongside politicians constantly fucking with it.

[Anonymous No.11825278]

>>11825196
>So what happens when a white demographic underperforms like white southerners vs other whites?
they're well-trained and cucked by the rich into believing "rags to riches" is the ultimate expression of the american dream, so they blame minorities and immigrants like good little simps.

>>11825212
the argument is working exactly as predicted, unfortunately; that is, you simply ignore attainment differences between populations of the same phenotype whenever environmental factors are the only explanation.

>Even in the US, these schools are dilapidated and dysfunctional, despite the help.
none of that is the kids' fault. these problems also afflict poor white schools across the country such as in the Appalachia region

[Anonymous No.11825284]

>>11825278

Why are you invoking a rural/urban divide argument now? Surely urban African Americans must be knocking it out of the park since they're so primely positioned anon. And with sensitive progressive leadership no less!

[Anonymous No.11825287]

>>11825245
I always see this argument, and arguments along similar lines of thought, with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

I'm guessing you pulled it out of your ass, but anyway: how do you propose we test this hypothesis?

[Anonymous No.11825289]

>>11825242
>large
Anon, the only thing large about racial differences is the cock size of blacks compared to whites, as illustrated by your very image.

[Anonymous No.11825293]

>>11825284
Your brain is simply too smooth to comprehend more than one variable at a time.

[Anonymous No.11825296]

>>11825293

No, we were examining one variable and you said the existence of another variable means that variable doesn't exist. But I'll entertain your deflection, can you answer my question? AA communities are primarily urban and they are still stuck deep in the mud. With progressive/left leadership to boot, for decades now.

[Anonymous No.11825310]

>>11825284
>Why are you invoking a rural/urban divide argument now?
to show differences in attainment between whites.
i also showed differences in attainment between blacks: >>11825048
and differences in attainment between asians: >>11825065
you ignored those, and now you'll ignore this one too, and probably change the subject...

>Progressive leadership
and there we go, right on time.
and politics of all things? sad. i guess you were a shill all along.

[Anonymous No.11825314]

>>11825310

You're spamming heterogeneous data subject to wildly different sampling biases and thinking you're making a cohesive argument. No, the fact that rural/urban attainment differences exist (in terms of college DEGREES, which are hardly a proxy for intelligence or IQ), doesn't invalidate the existence of a racial schism. The fact that blacks are more likely to be urban, whites more likely to be rural, and whites STILL outperform blacks significantly makes your argument and deflection that much absurd. How much deeper down your warped, retarded rabbit hole are you willing to go?

[Anonymous No.11825347]

>>11825314
SAT is a better proxy for intelligence than educational attainment?

[Anonymous No.11825373]

>>11825196
If whites underperformed we would assume its their genetic intelligence not any socioeconomic malarky. For the longest time humans just assumed if you were shit in academics it means you are just stupid you were born stupid its that simple not because you had no opportunities, you simply are an idiot.

[Anonymous No.11825377]

>>11825347

Yes, it factually is. Dumb people can get a bachelor's degree, especially in today's watered down academic climate.

[Anonymous No.11825380]

>>11825377
*Average IQ people can get a Bachelor's degree
A dumb person cannot even make it pass highschool academics.

[Anonymous No.11825388]

>>11825380

I've met plenty of dumb shit humanities majors. And now there are TONS of CC's and low-tier public schools pumping out grads. At this point higher ed is a racket meant to extract loan money at any cost. You go through the motions and get your diploma from the mill.

[Anonymous No.11825390]

>>11825314
yes, you've been "spammed" with three very different studies all demonstrating an achievement gap between groups that have the same racial phenotype. it's called a "counterexample." do you need me to explain to you how those work?
if racial group was the primary determinant of achievement, and environment completely irrelevant, then this shouldn't be possible.

[Anonymous No.11825400]

>>11825388
They cant be dumb if they can do humanities, dumb people literally cannot comprehend social science pseudoscience. The social sciences are dominated by midwits because idiots dont operate on morality only instinct.

[Anonymous No.11825401]

>>11825390

>I took a graph of a hugely isolated group of selected Nigerian immigrants who were chosen on merit, and then shifted over to a graph of differences between one group of Koreans and Japanese, and then for some reason started saying that there's a rural/urban difference therefore racial differences don't really exist, QED racial differences don't exist

Anon, I already explained to you that you can't take a group of some of the smartest people from one group, and then say the others don't exist. And then when you tried to make it about rural/urban for some reason, I pointed out that AA's are more urban. You are still ignoring this point because you can't conceive of a counterargument for the trap you've set for yourself in trying to dance down this tangent. Finally, I posted data showing that the POOREST WHITES in the United States test score on par with the RICHEST BLACKS. Really anon, I'm waiting for your answer here because it seems like you really don't want to face the reality of the situation. At the very least

>if racial group was the primary determinant of achievement, and environment completely irrelevant, then this shouldn't be possible.

No one ever claimed that. Just that racial group has an effect and plays a large role. We're speaking in relative terms.

[Anonymous No.11825404]

>>11825400

You don't have to comprehend anything. You brainlessly read through your assignments and send in filler work, get a 75% on all of your baby shit easy exams. And humanities != social sciences.

[Anonymous No.11825410]

>>11825404
A dumb person doesnt attempt anything at all. They would hand him the assignment blank then get mad at the teacher for failing them. Most of these social scientist have an elitism when it comes to their perceived education status, stupid people dont care about how brainy they are they think brainy is lame.

[Anonymous No.11825466]

>>11825401
>And then when you tried to make it about rural/urban for some reason, I pointed out that AA's are more urban.
This is bordering on non sequitur. Perhaps the environmental roadblocks faced by urban blacks are still greater than those faced by rural whites. But that's a side discussion and barely related to the point.

Again, that point was this: rural whites are outperformed by urban whites, which, if environmental factors aren't dominant, should NEVER be observable. You simply cannot reconcile this fact with the assumption you opened with.

And so you backpedal:
>No one ever claimed that. Just that racial group has an effect and plays a large role. We're speaking in relative terms.
Good! It took some hand-holding, but you're catching up, slowly but surely.
Now, you can finally start to think rationally about the topic.
What exactly are the relative effect sizes?
Should we weight well-understood, repeatable causality (e.g. "iodine deficiency impairs mental development") more than we weight mere correlations (e.g. "the people in that landlocked nation are all the same race, and their average IQ is low")?

[Anonymous No.11825467]

>>11825119
>No IQ has nothing to do with genetics
That´s why he said
>if we assume that iq is entirely based on genetics
learn to read and understand, anon

[Anonymous No.11825481]

>>11825466
>This is bordering on non sequitur. Perhaps the environmental roadblocks faced by urban blacks are still greater than those faced by rural whites. But that's a side discussion and barely related to the point.

No it is not. You're the guy who decided to veer wildly into this territory. So you're telling me blacks should be doing even WORSE with an equitable rural effect?

> Again, that point was this: rural whites are outperformed by urban whites, which, if environmental factors aren't dominant, should NEVER be observable. You simply cannot reconcile this fact with the assumption you opened with.

Nope, I never said there are no other variables or effects. You're completely making that up, this isn't a binary all or nothing argument.

> Good! It took some hand-holding, but you're catching up, slowly but surely.

You're beyond tedious. Literally just making up strawmen and getting off topic when it suits you and then dropping the subject when it doesn't. Nobody was ever claiming race is the only variable in this equation, just that it's a major and existent one.

And still ignoring:

>richer blacks getting bested by poor whites

How far can you put your head up your ass? It's like you know exactly what is going on and exactly how things are working but don't want to admit or deal with it.

[Anonymous No.11825486]

>>11825467

>if we assume

"We" are not assuming that. No one is. If I said "height has a large role in basketball success" and was arguing along those lines, and then someone suddenly said "WAIT NO, THERE'S ANOTHER VARIABLE OTHER THAN HEIGHT THAT AFFECTS IT, YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE HEIGHT ISN'T THE ONLY THING" that wouldn't be a valid deflection and it doesn't follow. Clearly there are other variables. Is your argument so fucking weak that you have to make up things rather than address what I'm saying?

[Anonymous No.11825519]

>>11825486
You're saying the vast majority is genetic determinism. That's dumb. Unfounded, and no real scientist believes that, not even your precious "race realists."