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What do you think about transhumanism /sci/.

Yay or nay?

>> No.1180010

A nice, intriguing thought, perhaps because it could potentially happen. As much as I would like to be a cyborg robot though it probably wont happen within our lifetimes.

>> No.1180021

yay

>> No.1180026

>>1180010

I think there are plans to replace vital body organs with synthetic ones. Thus extending life chances significantly.

Excluding the brain.

>> No.1180031

Strong supporter, though a concern of mine is that the privies of new technology will only be available to the wealthy. Our political/economic system has to change.

>> No.1180050

>>1180026
I'm well aware of that but you already mentioned the problem at the end.

Also we still need to figure out how to reverse the aging process. Cancer tends to fuck peoples shit up the older they get, etc.

>> No.1180058

I believe in what's referred to as green transhumanism. I'll take nanomachines and wear nanomachine skin, but I won't replace my flesh with robotics.

>> No.1180061

The most important part to keep well is the brain. If I can be an immortal cyborg, and no loss of memery, awesome.

>> No.1180066

No.

>> No.1180084

>>1180061
There would probably be some serious problems if you were able to keep your memories and remain immortal. For instance, the crystallization process of memory and learning. Also would probably suck to live for that long and have all those painful memories of others. Would probably be a good idea to get a periodic memory wipe or something.

>> No.1180103

>>1180084

Also overpopulation if people can't fucking die.

>> No.1180128

>>1180103
If people can't die, how is overpopulation a problem?

>> No.1180656

>>1180128
because people keep fucking while nobody is dying.

>> No.1180691

Regardless if it is good or bad, transhumanism is happening and will continue to progress. Technology is moving forward but our biology is stagnant. The course is clear.

>> No.1180735

>>1180050

If you want to know the steps to at least halt aging, or at least slow it down and repair the cellular damage that causes it, read Aubrey De Grey's book. He outlines what needs to be done, and even what would be needed to actually get funding for it, but the only thing he's not sure about is having the tech to implement it all safely and accurately as well as cost-effective.

>> No.1180750

Hilariously retarded. Cybernetics are cool but simulations of the brain will always be just that: simulations. Electrons running around in between silicon chips will never fully resemble the activities of neurons. Enjoy limiting yourself with technology transfags.

>> No.1180759

>>1180735
It's actually on my reading list. Aubrey de Grey is pretty neat.

>> No.1180765

>>1180750
God you sound like an idiot.

>> No.1180785

>>1180750
It's not like the function of a single neuron is incredibly complicated... it's basically an on-off switch that transmits it's information/state with other on-off switches around it. Brain-Machine interfaces already exist, it's not like what you describe is that much of a stretch.

>> No.1180797

An important step towards eliminating religion and socialism. Religion will no longer resonate with the poor or dejected, since they can elect not to feel pain, sadness, etc. Socialism will die as things become more automated and technological, since it is based upon labor which will all but cease under the new technocratic system.

>> No.1180799

go away kurzweil

>> No.1180802

>>1180750
Oh yeah? Memristors.

Also anyone go to the H+ summit this weekend?

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>>1180797
>implying capitalism will live on but socialism will die out

>> No.1180818

>>1180802
I've seen pictures of transhumanists and I wouldn't hang out with them.

>> No.1180816

>>1180797
Religion maybe but Socialism? I don't buy it. Just because you can replace the labor sectors with automated systems doesn't mean that economic socialism will die.

>> No.1180822

>>1180818
epic thissery

>> No.1180823
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>>1180818
IT'S NOT A BEARD IT'S A LONGEVITY COCCOON!

>> No.1180825

>>1180818
>pictures of transhumanists
this has piqued my interest...

>> No.1180837

>>1180825
Try and find some transhumanist websites and blogs.

>> No.1180840

>>1180816
Socialism (government ownership of the means of production) relies on the support of unskilled workers rather than managers or professionals. In developed country, socialism has already all but died out while int eh developing world they are still quite powerful (India in particular has had some trouble with some maoist idiots.) Basically, transhumans will have a much easier time attaining new skills and thus will not opt for a life of hard and useless labor like a large majority of the unintelligent lower classes here in the west.

>> No.1180847

I'm hoping that by the time I'm like 95 it'll be possible to upload my consciousness into the internet and exist as a cloud of nanobots.

>> No.1180846

>>1180785
>It's not like the function of a single neuron is incredibly complicated

It actually is. You are referencing a very outdated model of the neuron.

>> No.1180842

>>1180759

An outline of what he talks about is:
1) Mutations of the mitochondria in cells contributing to cells becoming cancerous and generally leading a decline in function. Suggests placing a backup copy of the mitochondrian dna in the nucleus of the cell and using some method for either checking the mDna of the outside versus the copy inside or having replacement proteins the mitochondria needs be produced within the cell and transported to the mitochondria.
2) Lysosomes get clogged up because there are some things they simply can't break down. result?: Lysosomes get clogged up until the cell breaks down from toxicity . solution is to engineer or introduce certain enzymes from bacteria into the lysosomes that can and will break down the things clogging them up.
3) Plaques and crap accumulate in the body causing alzheimers and heart attacks and things. Solution: Train the immune system to attack and remove these plaques. Complete success in animal trials. Human trials not so much causing inflammation reaction. Current human trials are at stage II testing, training the IS to not overreact to the plaques.

>> No.1180851

>>1180840
Connectivity and the increased ability of a central authority to control larger numbers of individuals will if anything INCREASE the success of socialism. Society will become more and more like a single organism.

>> No.1180853

>>1180846
O'RLY?

>> No.1180855

>>1180840
>government ownership of the means of production
So then the government just owns the automation running the labor sectors.

>> No.1180856

>>1180842
4) Locate and correct genetic causes of cancer using the proteins that normally repair dna strands.

5) Use same proteins to help correct things like cross-linking in dna strands.

>> No.1180858

>>1180846
No... no I don't think so.

>> No.1180861

>>1180858
it is cool 2 be wrong

>> No.1180863
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>>1180847
>>I'm hoping that by the time I'm like 95 it'll be possible to upload my consciousness into 4chan and exist as a cloud of trollobots.

>> No.1180866

>>1180861
A: This just cuz.
B: No, that, just cuz.

>> No.1180865

>>1180851
Why? Current trends indicate that increased integration with technology will drive us even further apart, meaning that any and all centralized forms of organization will be rendered obsolete.

>> No.1180873

>>1180865
Because me messaging my friends between every set of weight lifting and while I am on the toilet is a decrease in connectivity?

inb4 it doesn't count if ur dick isn't in them

>> No.1180876

BLAH BLAH BLAH, enough with this socialism crap, let's build automatic robot factories EVERYONE OWNS.

Everyone will receive an equal amount of pseudomoney everyday based on the factories manufacturing capability. Pseudomoney can be used to have stuff made in the factories.
Also read Manna....

>> No.1180885

>>1180865
>implying the world won't require greater and greater infrastructure supported by a central authority

>> No.1180889

>>1180873
Connectivity =/= Community

It theoretically should, but that is not what is happening.

>> No.1180890

There is no Yay. There is no Nay. There is only survival.

Thinking of longer term, trans-humanism, and even more, post-humanism will be imperative for our survival even if we have to sacrifice our humanity for it.

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>>1180863
>implying it wont be

mores law mother fucker

>> No.1180896

>>1180889
Your the one who apparently brought it up with post about technology driving individuals apart.

>> No.1180898

I fucking hate transhumanists so much. I swear to god I will be the first person to write viruses for your fucking cyber brains if I ever live long enough to see you faggots get siliconed up.

>> No.1180905

>>1180896
I am pretty sure I am just reiterating what I said earlier...are you saying that it is my fault that you are wrong? I am sorry for making you feel bad then.

>> No.1180906

>>1180898
Why would the "cyberize" if it didn't make them over 9000 times more intelligent than you?

>> No.1180914

>>1180905
>are you saying that it is my fault that you are wrong?
Stopped reading.
Stopping replies.
Good luck with your condition.

>> No.1180915

>>1180906
The Titanic was supposed to be unsinkable and the world trade centers were designed to withstand direct collisions with airplanes.

>> No.1180938

>>1180915
So you are going to crash something into them? Couldn't the same be done to you?

What I was getting at is that if they are over 9000 smarter than you they wouldn't have to worry about anything you program, no more than you would worry about what a chimp can program. If you are just going to try and rip their chords out the same way a chimp would rip your arms off then they could do the same to you using their robot arms... or they could simply arrest or euthanize you using the government they control.

>> No.1180945

>>1180938
Way to take my point literally. What I was actually driving at was that there is always an angle that is not considered when designers when they are planning everything out.

>> No.1180967

These things need to be taken in steps.

1) Continue discovering all that we can learn about the human body and how it works. Push for the development of medical techniques and procedures that more efficiently repair the body and the beginning of better preventative care.

2) Once repairing the body is made easier, start working out how to hack it and make it perform better/in a certain way.

3) Start developing mechanical equivalents on par with vivo organs. Work later on parts that obsolete the need for certain organs or on parts that go beyond performace capabilities.
4) Tackle the central nervous system and the brain. I recommend the very slow, neuron by neuron replacement and doing identity tests.
5) If this can be done, all that;s left is exploring life from here.

>> No.1180974

You can't defeat an enemy that understands you more than you understand yourself. Baseline humans fighting AI's would be like a war between men and deer. Hell, a conflict wouldn't even arise because they would have utter control over society using the strings of subtle coercion you wouldn't even know exist. The second someone blogs something about distrusting their robot overlords the AI's would have already set up a subtle ad campaign to marginalize the dimwitted dissenters and there is nothing the dissenters could do about it. Anything they could come up with to get around it would have been planned for years in advance by the AI's.

>> No.1180991

>>1180974

If I was an AI, I would house my core programming and software in a large construct in the shape of a mechanical dong ejaculating money and chocolate.

>> No.1180993

>>1180945
We aren't talking about intelligence versus chance occurrences. We are talking about one shit flinging monkey against a demi-god of intellect. You can't win against something that is smart enough to practically know what you will think before you think it.

>> No.1180999

>>1180974
>implying I wouldn't be plotting against the robots in a hut somewhere in the woods

lol

>> No.1181012

/Sci/ needs one of those TF2 GENTLEMEN pictures of a robot or cyborg saying HU-MENS

>> No.1181022

Retaining my longterm consciousness and cognitive ability is my primary goal in life. I would replace, modify or discard my entire body, even my brain, if it would get me closer to this goal. I evaluate all things with the same factors in mind(such as cognitive ability, empathy, level of consciousness, etc) without prejudice towards physical form. These factors being equal, I would associate just as readily with a self sustaining gas cloud state machine created through brownian motion or my roommate John.

The issue gets hairy for me when I think about how the removal of parts of my brain which facilitate changes in consciousness based on physical condition and how it would alter my consciousness. If I am removed from the physical, these parts are obsolete unless the physical is emulated. If the physical is not emulated, can I still think without a physical basis? Can thought exist in and of itself? I hope so. What would that be like?
Fuck it, I'm going to /s/.

>> No.1181021

>>1180999
>implying that would matter
By that time there will be no leaving "the grid". They will know where everyone is at all times and the further one gets from them the less ability they have to do anything. Any plan one could have come up with a hut would have been planned against years ago.

tl;dr - deers versus men

>> No.1181043

>>1181021

The future doesn't work that way. Things will advance but only in certain areas. It is likely that any area that is not involved in technology will be left to nature. Efficiency is important for machines after all.

>> No.1181050

>>1181043
I don't see how your post is relevant.

>> No.1181052

>>1181022
Best Case Scenario: Data from Star Trek

Worst Case: You become a droid

Not bad really. I would much rather be a robot. Less pain and other stupid shit that humans are forced to put up with.

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>>1181050
>make prediction about future
>call any criticisms or alternate versions of that predication "irrelevant"

oh-hoho

>> No.1181073

>>1181057
Oh for gawdsaik, don't be a child. I didn't say your post was irrelevant, I said I didn't see its relevance in hope that you would clarify... big difference.

Now, I don't like leaving on sour notes but I need to get to bed. Good night.

>> No.1181121

Gimme, humanity is highly overrated.

>> No.1181129

1) Remove a tiny piece of your brain.
2) Scan that into a computer (it's been done: an entire rat hypothalmus was scanned and simulated on to a blue gene supercomputer)
3) Somehow reintegrate the piece on the computer with your organic brain
4) Begin again at step one until entire brain is on computer
5) Because you only took a tiny piece at a time and then reintegrated it with the rest of your brain you never really did, since your stream of consciousness was not once interrupted for a moment.

Clearly the tech for this doesn't exist yet. But all we need is more powerful computers, and some way to integrate a piece of virtual brain with an organic brain. And also some way to keep the brain alive till the last tiny piece as you slowly take it apart.

>> No.1181130

>>1181129
typo "you never actually did" should be "you never actually died"

>> No.1181134

>>1181129
problem with this is we really don't understand consciousness yet

>> No.1181142

nerd-vana for science enthusists, rather than scientists. I expect it to be wildly popular on this board, without even checking replies.


Scrolling up for a second, i see i'm vindicated.

>> No.1181150

>>1181142
>rather than
o u

>> No.1181162

>>1181150
look up than and then in the dictionary

>> No.1181166

>>1181162
it was the implication, not the grammar

>> No.1181173

>>1181166
the the board of "god sucks and so does my stepdad" and "do my homework!" knows jack shit about science?


yes, that is a pretty bold accusation.

>> No.1181188

Technology will not solve human problems. And if you think that turning into robots is going to fix that, you're sadly mistaken.

>> No.1181191

>>1181134
we don't have to understand consciousness, we just have to be able to simulate a tiny piece of brain and then reintegrate it with the organic brain and repeat. unless you're implying the existance of a soul oh ho ho

>> No.1181202

>>1181173
I see now. I thought you were referencing everyone who held transhumanistic views.

>> No.1181288

>>1181202
whatever. If you are here, its for you.