/sfg/ Space Flight General - Nostalgia edition

[Anonymous No.11785149]

old bread >>11782245

Rocket launch schedule: https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

News: Wind remains the eternal nemesis to space flight as a whole

[Anonymous No.11785154]

First for a wagon train to the stars.

[Anonymous No.11785159]

>a literal breeze

[Anonymous No.11785160]

kiwi rocket stream with NRO spoopsat onboard https://youtu.be/-zzu7hI0ESM

[Anonymous No.11785165]

ITS GONNA GET DELAYED AGAIN I FEEL IT I FEEL IT IN MY BONESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Anonymous No.11785169]

>>11785160
WINDSSSS

[Anonymous No.11785170]

My 4th launch livestream ever, 2 out of 3 were scrubbed so far

Does scrubbing really happen often?

[Anonymous No.11785171]

>>11785149
What do you guys think of pic related?

[Anonymous No.11785172]

>>11785171
I only like ULA and Vulcan because of Tory Bruno. Hope they do research in more expendable rockets soon (it’ll still be 20 years though)
Also fuck Boeing. Hope they go under and Lockheed Martin takes full control

[Anonymous No.11785175]

>>11785170
Depends, this is only like a 50ft rocket so weather gets in the way often. DM2 was very important and if something went wrong they'd have to be rescued at sea so that would be tough in a storm.

[Anonymous No.11785176]

>>11785172
Reusable not expendable

[Anonymous No.11785178]

>>11785170
Theres like 30-40% scrub rate. So its normal.

[Anonymous No.11785179]

two minutes

[Anonymous No.11785181]

>>11785172
>I only like ULA and Vulcan because of Tory Bruno.
Same, especially the fact that he likes Venus (which IMO should be colonized)

[Anonymous No.11785182]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zzu7hI0ESM&feature=emb_title
T-50

[Anonymous No.11785183]

HOLD HOLD HOLD

[Anonymous No.11785184]

HAHAHAHA HOLD HOLD HOLD

[Anonymous No.11785185]

A FUCKING BREEZE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

[Anonymous No.11785186]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.11785187]

>>11785183
YEP SCRUBBED

[Anonymous No.11785188]

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.11785189]

God dammit!
Canceled.

[Anonymous No.11785190]

A
FUCKING
BREEZE
OH NO NO NO NO
AHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAAHHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.11785191]

OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH GODDD IM GONNA HOOOOOOOOOOLD

[Anonymous No.11785192]

Is that...... A GUST OF WIND!?

[Anonymous No.11785193]

Bros, i’m gonna... I’m gonna...
HOOOOOOOOLD

[Anonymous No.11785195]

>cucked by a stiff breeze

this planet is gay,you don't even have to pay any attention to this shit on mars

[Anonymous No.11785196]

>>11785185
Virgin Electron vs CHAD BREEZE

[Anonymous No.11785197]

I'M FUCKING HOOOOOOOOOOLDING

[Anonymous No.11785199]

reminder that a gust of wind doomed challenger....

[Anonymous No.11785201]

Press S to spit

[Anonymous No.11785202]

How the fuck are our rockets gonna handle fucking MARS when we cant get over some fucking WIND are you FUCKING kidding me.
Just leave space launch up to the russians for fucks sake

[Anonymous No.11785208]

>>11785201
S

[Anonymous No.11785210]

>Explanation: The Cat's Eye Nebula (NGC 6543) is one of the best known planetary nebulae in the sky. Its haunting symmetries are seen in the very central region of this stunning false-color picture, processed to reveal the enormous but extremely faint halo of gaseous material, over three light-years across, which surrounds the brighter, familiar planetary nebula. Made with data from the Nordic Optical Telescope in the Canary Islands, the composite picture shows extended emission from the nebula. Planetary nebulae have long been appreciated as a final phase in the life of a Sun-like star. Only much more recently however, have some planetaries been found to have halos like this one, likely formed of material shrugged off during earlier active episodes in the star's evolution. While the planetary nebula phase is thought to last for around 10,000 years, astronomers estimate the age of the outer filamentary portions of this halo to be 50,000 to 90,000 years

[Anonymous No.11785211]

>>11785202
That rocket that just scrubbed is smaller than starhopper. Falcon 9 could have launched during DM2 but NASA is a cautious fuck.

[Anonymous No.11785212]

>don't stop me now
>STOPPED
KEK

What a shitshow

[Anonymous No.11785216]

[Anonymous No.11785221]

>>11785211
>5'9
>average US male
OH NON ON O NON ON NO NO

[Anonymous No.11785225]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZtSpm4hKDs

[Anonymous No.11785235]

>>11785211
It kills me that it will have been almost sixty fucking years until we got a larger, taller, and more powerful than the Saturn V. That machine was a marvel ahead of her time.

[Anonymous No.11785241]

>>11785235
Imagine spending 60 years between MSDOS and Windows10. NASA doubles even the most reasonable conservative estimate for a timeline.

[Anonymous No.11785243]

>>11785225
DELETE THIS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.11785250]

I actually want to see gateway because it is the only way we will see multiple countries making moon bases.

[Anonymous No.11785257]

>>11785235
I'm not a fan of all the animefication of everything, but this is really just not a great job at all. You'd guess that it would be an easy gig to make a dress that resembles the Saturn V and the 60-70s a lot and they came up with this fantasy fairy thing that doesn't even look American.

If it wasn't for the USA and decals you couldn't even tell at all.
I guess you could do the wide stuff if it looked like flames, I mean F1 launch flames but I guess I'm just overthinking it and this is just a bad draft.

[Anonymous No.11785258]

>>11785171
i'm fine with the concept but i hate the livery

[Anonymous No.11785263]

>>11785257
>I'm not a fan of all the animefication of everything
same, shit should be banned.

[Anonymous No.11785268]

>>11785263
"Do you want the anime on, or off?"

[Anonymous No.11785271]

>>11785257
>doesn't even look American
because she's German

[Anonymous No.11785274]

>>11785257
Not a fan either, but I will say... this website was built on anime so it’s kind of inescapable. And the japanese governments actually release official artwork and toys of anime-fied rockets and missions they launch
Imho it’s gay as fuck but Id be more accepting of it if the artwork actually made more sense and LOOKED like the thing it was trying to represent

[Anonymous No.11785283]

>>11785274
>but I will say... this website was built on anime
kind of, it has never been a pure anime website though. This is /sci/ not /a/ or /c/ so the amount of anime should be limited to reaction images.

[Anonymous No.11785291]

>>11785283
I’m against it but i’m also against banning it. When you start to go down that road you begin to turn into a shitty subr*ddit. It’s not necessarily off-topic, it’s just gay and I ignore it

[Anonymous No.11785295]

>>11785271
Doesn't look German either, it's clearly Asian.
And now that you nitpicked it, that approximately .2% of the guys at NASA were German scientists, VonBraun is the most American looking German in human History. I'm German, so I should know.

[Anonymous No.11785296]

[Anonymous No.11785300]

>>11785291
I would agree but it is very similar to a raid. For that reason I think it should be banned.

[Anonymous No.11785303]

>>11785271
Doesn't make it any better,
See?

[Anonymous No.11785306]

>>11785300
Sounds to me like you'd be more home at reddit or somewhere else that isn't an imageboard if you're going to be so offended by images

[Anonymous No.11785308]

>>11785303
looks much better, need to get rid of the body and clothing though

[Anonymous No.11785312]

>>11785308

[Anonymous No.11785319]

>>11785306
Sounds to me like you are raiding this board with anime to make some sort of retarded statement.

[Anonymous No.11785321]

>>11785319
No i’m just gay and I want you to respect me

[Anonymous No.11785322]

>>11785295
she looks Anime-German
don't think about it too much, they didn't either

[Anonymous No.11785325]

And it would be horrifying it this anime chick would suddenly ignite and separate on her ascent, exploding off limbs and torso on the way until only the brain remains. I mean that would be gore as fuck. It's just a terrible concept.

[Anonymous No.11785327]

>>11785325
of course, thats why payload waifus are superior!

[Anonymous No.11785348]

>>11785327
*Burns up on re-entry*

[Anonymous No.11785350]

>>11785295
>clearly asian
first thought that came too mind was a modernized medieval dress

[Anonymous No.11785355]

>Off topic retard discussion about anime

Stop

[Anonymous No.11785358]

>>11785355
>The one late night anon who actually wants to talk about spaceflight
I wonder what the interior of Starship will look like. I wonder if Elon will end up selling them individually, with customizable interiors. Are we putting him on a huge pedestal, are our expectations too high?
Also who is going to be the first competitor to Starship?

[Anonymous No.11785359]

>>11785355
This happens every time the /a/ fags start spamming anime. It derails us every time.

[Anonymous No.11785360]

>>11785358
SLS

[Anonymous No.11785362]

>>11785360

[Anonymous No.11785371]

>>11785360
>>11785358
AHEM

[Anonymous No.11785373]

>>11785371
Fucking gay ass poser aerospace company... although having an official coat of arms is big dick energy

[Anonymous No.11785385]

>>11785358
>I wonder what the interior of Starship will look like

Probably similar to Skylab

> Are we putting him on a huge pedestal, are our expectations too high?

He is a god.

[Anonymous No.11785390]

>>11785371
Not really, New Glenn is just a better Falcon Heavy and God knows how much we'll have to wait for New Armstrong.

[Anonymous No.11785396]

>>11785235
>>11785271
>>11785274
>>11785296
>>11785308
>>11785303
>>11785322
>>11785327
Ok I don't wanna be that snarky asshole who just complains, so I tried putting my money were my mouth is and made my own sketch. The particles and swirls are liquid oxy and dry ice chunks I don't know jack shit about fashion, but this is supposed to be 60s. That being said, I think the hair would be more 40s and 50s.
I hate the boots, but you gotta have fins, I was told.
Now I could make it nicer but I
>A: Couldn't be bothered
and
>B: Don't want some sick fucks to jack off to my shit because if there was a place for people with sick fetishes, it would be probably here and you couldn't stray further from the bright side if you tried god have mercy on us.

[Anonymous No.11785402]

>>11785396
Good shit anon. I will never understand this but I respect the work and attention to detail nonetheless

[Anonymous No.11785405]

>>11785350
Yea ok, I first said fantasy fairy, that's kind of the same direction. Still it's 100% not mid 20th century colonies fashion. I guess you could make that look like an F1 engine...

[Anonymous No.11785408]

Did someone say manned mission to Saturn?

[Anonymous No.11785414]

>>11785408
>you will never shitpost from saturn

[Anonymous No.11785427]

>>11785414
You might be able to shitpost from LEO, the moon, or Mars

[Anonymous No.11785429]

>>11785402
Thanks I guess, I shouldn't get involved so much. But it's the same shit with guns and warships over at /k/ and they aren't even trying to keep in somewhat on topic.

>>11785408
What did I hear you say manned mission through Saturn?

[Anonymous No.11785434]

>>11785371
Blue Origin is oldspace.

[Anonymous No.11785441]

>>11785325

[Anonymous No.11785462]

>>11785271
>because she's German
Oh yeah and I couldn't resist making it German.
That's it, I swear.

[Anonymous No.11785469]

>11785441
>11785396
>11785362
>11785327
>11785303
>11785462
>11785268
Stop spamming anime and shitty drawings, faggot. God damn, just go to /a/.

[Anonymous No.11785475]

>>11785469
>not enjoying original content
It's their way of enjoying spaceflight, no wonder the launch got scrubbed tonight with all that wind blowing out your ass right now.

[Anonymous No.11785476]

>>11785469
how could you fuck this up, anon?

[Anonymous No.11785477]

I’m going to get a spoonful of peanut butter and start a new spaceflight meme/rocket folder

[Anonymous No.11785480]

>11785475
You have autism, your drawings are cringe, and you should feel bad about shitting up this thread but you have zero self awareness.

[Anonymous No.11785482]

>>11785477
Starting with potential folder icon?

[Anonymous No.11785483]

>>11785480
Have your (You) and fuck off

[Anonymous No.11785486]

>>11785480
Eat pantsu you fucking gaijin!

[Anonymous No.11785490]

>>11785482
Done. Also I’ve killed more Kerbals than I’m willing to admit

[Anonymous No.11785500]

>>11785469
>>11785480
First off, you're talking to a different person.
Further, I mentioned it was a draft and I even gave two reasons for why it's only a draft, or prove of concept (apart from being a quote on quote "draft") that has no obligations to please your aesthetic perception... You need to chill way out and finally mate, I don't even think the art style is anime.

[Anonymous No.11785503]

>>11785469
agreed

[Anonymous No.11785508]

death to korolev

[Anonymous No.11785526]

Just a reminder that the first SLS launch with Orion (Artemis I) was planned for 2017. Got slipped to 2018. Got slipped to 2019. Got slipped to late 2021. And will probably get slipped to 2022 mark my words

[Anonymous No.11785563]

>>11785427
Eh, you might be able to shitpost from saturn. Once you have a few hundred thousand people on mars, elon plans to start the colonization of ceres, and probably the exploration of the outer solar system soon after.

[Anonymous No.11785574]

>>11785563
Yeah but that’s probably beyond his lifespan

[Anonymous No.11785577]

>>11785574
Depends on how old he is. If he is below 25, maybe not.

[Anonymous No.11785583]

Could /sfg/ design and send a small satellite on an electron rocket?
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/book-my-launch/

[Anonymous No.11785586]

>>11785482
>KSP2 never

[Anonymous No.11785596]

What's your opinion on the Soviet moon rocket N-1?

[Anonymous No.11785606]

>>11785596
Hard to have an opinion on something that never flew.
It looked cool though.

[Anonymous No.11785608]

>>11785606
It flew, not for very long though.

[Anonymous No.11785609]

>>11785608
That's not a flight.

[Anonymous No.11785616]

>>11785586
>tfw seriously considering downloading ksp and installing my 800 mods again
someone stop me

[Anonymous No.11785620]

>>11785508
>10% failure rate
oh no no no no
She's hot, but that's all she's got going for her

[Anonymous No.11785621]

>>11785596
Beautiful rocket that represents the soviet union ultimately biting itself like a snake. It was ultimately Soviet politics which drove the N1 down the wrong path of unfulfillable results and removal of important people. Had they been given more time and resources the thing could have flown. Although having to do an EVA just to get one guy in a moon lander is a bit crazy compared to what the Saturn V could do.
Either way, the N1 is fucking cool looking and the technology behind it such as the plumbing system and accompanying LK lander are awesome despite the unfortunate flaws.

[Anonymous No.11785622]

>>11785609
parts of it did

[Anonymous No.11785626]

>>11785622
By that logic, Starship has also already flown.

[Anonymous No.11785630]

>>11785616
frickin do it mate!

[Anonymous No.11785635]

>>11785526
SLS will never launch

>>11785390
No matter what it *will be* someday, New Glenn is still a paper rocket right now and for at least another year.

[Anonymous No.11785657]

>>11785626
and ahead of schedule
Bravo Elon!

[Anonymous No.11785660]

>>11785657
And only on one engine! What a marvel of technology!

[Anonymous No.11785695]

>>11785596
Would have been kino if they'd pulled it off and got a cosmonaut to the moon in the early 70s.

[Anonymous No.11785701]

>>11785596
Could have worked with more testing and or less pressure.
But the real deal was the Soviet earth-orbit assembly lunar architecture, with that approach they. Could have easily won the moon race as it relied mostly on the soyuz rocket and capsule.

Also korolev dying screwed things up

[Anonymous No.11785717]

>>11785327
The sky is full of qt identical twin starlink imoutos.

[Anonymous No.11785719]

I wonder if there is a way to keep a space station entirely in the night side of earth, so you can see the stars and shit. Would make for a great space hotel.

[Anonymous No.11785727]

>>11785719
hurrr

[Anonymous No.11785729]

>>11785727
?

[Anonymous No.11785732]

>>11785719
L2

[Anonymous No.11785735]

>>11785719

[Anonymous No.11785736]

>>11785729
Lagrangian points.

[Anonymous No.11785740]

>>11785736
I thought all of the lagrange points were out in the sunlight, but I guess I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.11785741]

>>11785717
>Elon fills the sky with flashing imoutos
>normies complain
>now they cover their pantsu

[Anonymous No.11785743]

>>11785740
Well, all but L2 are.

[Anonymous No.11785750]

>>11785741
>tfw they just want to be noticed

[Anonymous No.11785787]

>JWST delayed again
pottery

[Anonymous No.11785857]

>>11785787
They should rename it James Uebb Space Telescope at this point.

[Anonymous No.11785869]

>>11785787
>>11785857

[Anonymous No.11785878]

>6 months in space
>can barely function
martian colonists are going to have it rough

[Anonymous No.11785883]

>>11785878
>Can barely function on Earth
Why does this matter?

[Anonymous No.11785886]

>>11785787
Link? I want to read the excuse this time

[Anonymous No.11785887]

Buraaaaaan~!

[Anonymous No.11785889]

i hope some based news drops today, this week has been uneventful

[Anonymous No.11785891]

>>11785878
I really, really hope they tether two starships together

[Anonymous No.11785897]

>>11785719
where they would send JWT

[Anonymous No.11785900]

If the Falcon Heavy is reusable yet costs 90mil a launch, how can Starship be predicted to cost 2mil a launch? They're both reusable, but I guess Starship is just... More reusable?
Also, how does FH's price of 150mil expendable, 90mil reusable work? How can destroying a rocket after launch be less than twice as expensive as reusing it?

[Anonymous No.11785903]

>>11785878
How many colonists does everyone think are going to be sent in the first few waves? I read a few threads back that Elon wants to send 1000 crewed Starships to Mars. What's it going to take to get a ride out there, do you think they'll put a call out for applications?

[Anonymous No.11785904]

>>11785900
expendable means you waste all of 27 merlin engines

[Anonymous No.11785907]

>>11785878
Why the fuck are you spergs so obsessed with having earth gravity and stuff elsewhere because of your fear of jello babies and shit. Life finds a way. Martian colonists will either adapt or die. Simple as that. And no, rotating cities on Mars are not viable and noone with atleast 3 braincells is actually considering them. People will live in Martian gravity and probably will have to survive a lot more radiation too. They won't look like you after some generations and probably will not be able to live on earth get over it.

[Anonymous No.11785916]

>>11785907
This.

[Anonymous No.11785922]

>>11785904
Yes, but apparently wasting 27 Merlin engines is only 67% more expensive than not wasting them?

[Anonymous No.11785925]

>>11785907
>Martian colonists will either adapt or die
great, let's just let the first wave of interplanetary colonists all die and kill all colonization efforts for at least 50 years instead of having a tiny bit of caution.

[Anonymous No.11785932]

>>11785181
isn't it beck who likes venus?

[Anonymous No.11785936]

>>11785922
they'll need to perform maintenance to it before it can get reused

[Anonymous No.11785937]

>>11785925
>tiny bit of caution
Building orbital spinning habitats and spinning cities is neither tiny bit of caution nor feasible.

Why not just send AI nanobots to terraform Mars tommorow? we can also implement artificial gravity on Mars so that it's like earth. huuuur

[Anonymous No.11785939]

>>11785900
Because stainless steel is a hell of a lot cheaper than some exotic fucking aluminium alloy.

[Anonymous No.11785940]

>>11785907
>Martian colonists will either adapt or die
Die it is then, because a few generations won't be enough

[Anonymous No.11785945]

>>11785937
nobody brought up spinning habs or cities, you replied to a post about someone recovering from 6 months in microgravity, shorter than the length of the Mars trip. How are colonists supposed to set up a new colony if none of them can even walk?

[Anonymous No.11785948]

>>11785596
Wish it was developed into being used. If it worked it could make building Mir and the ISS much easier.

[Anonymous No.11785951]

>>11785945
0.38g < g

[Anonymous No.11785957]

>>11785900
I would guess (because I don't know), that the price comes down so much, because at some point you're mass producing rockets on well established assembly lines, contractors don't have to retool for a single part, but rather a batch, running and refurbishing protocols become second nature, so that you can train less skilled and less expensive labor for it, the costs for R&D get washed away with sheer volume and you have that volume, because you're the only one sending rockets into space for only 2mil a blow.

I can totally see where they're coming from, granted that they can build the thing. But it's like building a car from scratch and I mean completely, engine block, cylinders, shell, brake rotors steering column windows, panels, seats... You won't build the unit for 30 grand, or even 300 until you have a factory shitting them out by the 100s

[Anonymous No.11785961]

>>11785951
it still will hinder their ability to function

[Anonymous No.11785973]

>>11785635
does anybody really expect them to ever straight up cancel SLS? Surely at a certain point congress is going to lose patience

what happened that made them so unable to build rockets anyway?

[Anonymous No.11785985]

>>11785951
It's going to be heartbreaking to watch as the data comes in and they realize that it's not possible for proper development of children in low gravity. If colonists can't produce more generations, there won't be any colonization of other planets.

[Anonymous No.11785988]

>>11785296
i miss him bros....

[Anonymous No.11785992]

>>11785371
maybe if they developed rockets as fast as they developed their coat of arms they'd have made it to orbit by now

[Anonymous No.11785999]

>>11785985
it probably won't be, which is why specialized nurseries will be developed and we'll all be granted a state-mandated Martian breeder

[Anonymous No.11786011]

>>11785985
The solution to this is to have children grow up in a 1g environment and when they're old enough then go contribute to colonization efforts

[Anonymous No.11786014]

>>11786011
you realize that, while this is still possible, it would hold off real sustainability for centuries. the logistics of having to house mothers in special facilities and carefully raise children in them are absurd.

and no, we're nowhere close to artificial wombs

[Anonymous No.11786021]

>>11785985
>muh heartbreak
I hate this womanish manipulation via projection of emotion.
Martian babies may work or they may not. If they don't, there are multiple ways to make artificial gravity nurseries on or off planet. Stop whining.

[Anonymous No.11786030]

>>11786021
what does my post have to do with women? sounds to me like you're a little on edge. you have problems with women don't you? this thread is dedicated to the discussion of spaceflight, deal with it

[Anonymous No.11786037]

>>11786014
the logistics for everything on another planet are absurd. if the goal is sustainability then what could be more important than securing a means of safe and reliable reproduction? what else are people on mars going to be doing once the necessary is infrastructure is built up? building theme parks?

[Anonymous No.11786041]

>>11786014
>it will take us centuries to figure out how to make something spin
This is beyond doomer logic
>we're nowhere close to artificial wombs
We can already do it with other large mammals. Technical feasibility is on the horizon, soon the only barrier will be ethics committees.

[Anonymous No.11786044]

>>11785985
i can tell you right now it's 100% possible(source: life is more resilient than you think). Keep your jellobaby fetish to yourself schizo. go make some babies out of jello and have your fun.

[Anonymous No.11786051]

>>11786030
Hole in one, I guess, considering your reaction.

[Anonymous No.11786052]

>>11785886
little late but here
https://spacenews.com/nasa-confirms-jwst-will-miss-march-2021-launch-date/

[Anonymous No.11786056]

>>11786044
There's been no serious studies on this, so the answer right now is that we simply don't know. Why are you pretending to know something you don't? Life is resilient, but organisms don't evolve in a single generation. It is possible that it works out fine, but I'm discussing the possibility that it won't

[Anonymous No.11786065]

>>11786056
>There's been no serious studies on this, so the answer right now is that we simply don't know.
Not that guy, this is correct. Which means acting like 'jelly babies' are reality is equally retarded. The only answer is to try and have contingency plans (rotating nurseries).

>Life is resilient, but organisms don't evolve in a single generation.
Single generation adaptation happens all the time.

[Anonymous No.11786071]

>>11786065
>Single generation adaptation happens all the time
It actually happens rarely, in the case of mutations. Human engineering doesn't count as genetic adaption btw before someone brings that up

If you've ever had a biology course, you should know that organisms don't develop adaptions to their environment in the way you're implying

[Anonymous No.11786081]

>>11786052
>https://spacenews.com/nasa-confirms-jwst-will-miss-march-2021-launch-date/
JWST? More like JUST

[Anonymous No.11786082]

>>11786071
Try looking up rapid evolution sometime my fair retard, it's a common response to radical environmental shifts.

[Anonymous No.11786083]

why not just colonize venusian skies...

[Anonymous No.11786086]

>>11786071
the first day on the ISS you begin expelling calcium through your urine as a result of your skeletal system adapting to microgravity

[Anonymous No.11786090]

>>11785940
>Die it is then, because a few generations won't be enough

Nope. Martian gravity is livable already.

[Anonymous No.11786098]

>>11786083
why not just make a dyson sphere ... Why not just make a Matrioshka brain and transfer ourself into simulation simulated by said structure .. Why not just build suprsmart robots and tranfer ourselves into them and colonize the whole universe ...

I hate fucking popsci niggers holy fuck

[Anonymous No.11786100]

>>11786083
We talk about this meme all the time. A flying Venus colony has very little usefully available resources. Mars has basically everything you can get on Earth, the Moon is more restricted but has obvious advantages in terms of placement, Venus cannot compete.

[Anonymous No.11786103]

>>11786082
>>11786086
Humans aren't going to suddenly become healthy living in low gravity. It takes generations (involving many thousands of individuals) for things like that to happen. From what i'm seeing here, you don't seem to know how evolution works. We'll probably need nurseries, near future genetic engineering, and specialized medical care to make it work.

[Anonymous No.11786104]

>>11786083
Not really a lot of reason to go there. You'd need to keep importing shit without anything to export.

[Anonymous No.11786106]

>>11786090
we dont know that

[Anonymous No.11786111]

>>11786098
>Ywn turn yourself into a starship and become a transformer and go into space whenever you want?
Why continue to function?

[Anonymous No.11786117]

>>11786103
>Humans aren't going to suddenly become healthy living in low gravity
Humans will be healthy in low gravity out of the box. Where the real questions are is in development.
> From what i'm seeing here, you don't seem to know how evolution works.
I was literally just correcting you on your poor understanding of the subject. Biological human evolution is an inefficient and unnecessary process, we will largely rely on technology. As it has always been.
>We'll probably need nurseries, near future genetic engineering, and specialized medical care to make it work.
>probably
It's a guess. Trying to make it sound more sure than it is is foolish.
>need
Also no. It's helpful, not necessary. For example, if breeding colonists and their offspring stay on Mars, there is no reason to ever be concerned that 'jello bones' adaptations to that environment will negatively effect them.

[Anonymous No.11786128]

A rocket that SpaceX has rushed and exploded a few times in testing sounds like it'd be a lot safer than a NASA rocket that has never exploded.
NASA tends to make rockets with critical safety flaws inherent in the design, with pre-emptively added safety mechanisms that usually neutralise these flaws.
But a much more rushed rocket that explodes in testing due to a critical flaw then has one less critical flaw. Cheaply make loads of stuff for testing to deliberately run into as many flaws as possible, and only then optimise the finer safety features, and you've got something much safer.

[Anonymous No.11786130]

>>11786128
>it can't explode if you never test it
Hurgen durgen

[Anonymous No.11786134]

>>11786128
to be fair, starship still doesn't have viable LES. so it has the same problem as the shuttle

[Anonymous No.11786136]

>>11786111
>tfw no SSTO altmode
Fuck me

[Anonymous No.11786138]

>>11786106
Yes we do.

[Anonymous No.11786139]

>>11786081
This shit better launch before 2020 is over

[Anonymous No.11786143]

>>11786139
*2021

[Anonymous No.11786144]

>>11786134
The Shuttle wouldn't have needed LES if it didn't have inherent safety flaws. Both is nice, but good fundamentals are way more important than an escape system (which, if your craft is fundamentally flawed, will probably be flawed as well)

[Anonymous No.11786151]

What is it doing

[Anonymous No.11786152]

>"For the first time at the Cape, the weather squadron for a rocket launch is made up entirely of women"

*don't feel good, guys*

[Anonymous No.11786164]

>>11785195
based jermaposter

[Anonymous No.11786169]

>>11786151
Dabbing on Russia and China.

[Anonymous No.11786177]

>>11786152
Wow this woman's opinion on space really changed huh?

[Anonymous No.11786182]

>>11785482
I want to pat Valentina's head like a pet.

[Anonymous No.11786184]

>>11785732
>>11785736
>>11785743
L2 is eclipsed, but not entirely, the Earth's too small for that.

[Anonymous No.11786188]

>>11785482
Needs more Scott.

[Anonymous No.11786194]

>>11786184
Well, obviously. It's technically impossible due to how orbital mechanics work to put something permanently on our night side. And due to the size of our planet, the L2 point would also not put it completely in the shade.
But L2 is not just a point for our planet, it's a theoretical point for any planet.

>>11786188
Cursed image.

[Anonymous No.11786199]

>>11786152
Funny how quickly we went from a literal SS officer running KSC to celebrating this shit

[Anonymous No.11786202]

>>11786177
>billions for space
>pennies for the poor
I loathe people like that. I'd like to see them live for one week in a world where the funding between social welfare programs and space programs have been flipped.

[Anonymous No.11786205]

>>11786194
right, but the guy was asking about Earth specifically.
If you wanted to be exotic, I suppose you could have a station and a counterweight tethered together such that their center of mass was at L2, with the perpetual-night station being closer to Earth. Dunno how the numbers would work out on that in terms of the tensile strength of of the tether, but it could be doable.

[Anonymous No.11786212]

>>11786041
>>it will take us centuries to figure out how to make something spin
>This is beyond doomer logic
It's already taking NASA decades to do it. Then again most of NASA seems to not be interested in pushing the boundaries of what's possible.

[Anonymous No.11786239]

>>11786212
It isn't taking NASA decades, because that implies that NASA is doing something, which it isn't. But NASA in current year and a thriving space industry with a Mars colony are obviously two very different entities.

[Anonymous No.11786243]

NASA Selects Astrobotic to Fly Water-Hunting Rover to the Moon
>NASA has awarded Astrobotic of Pittsburgh $199.5 million to deliver NASA’s Volatiles Investigating Polar Exploration Rover (VIPER) to the Moon’s South Pole in late 2023.
>During its 100-Earth-day mission, the approximately 1,000-pound VIPER rover will roam several miles and use its four science instruments to sample various soil environments. Versions of its three water-hunting instruments are flying to the Moon on earlier CLPS lander deliveries in 2021 and 2022 to help test their performance on the lunar surface prior to VIPER’s mission. The rover also will have a drill to bore approximately 3 feet into the lunar surface.
>VIPER will collect data – including the location and concentration of ice – that will be used to inform the first global water resource maps of the Moon. Scientific data gathered by VIPER also will inform the selection of future landing sites for astronaut Artemis missions by helping to determine locations where water and other resources can be harvested to sustain humans during extended expeditions. Its science investigations will provide insights into the evolution of the Moon and the Earth-Moon system.

https://youtu.be/S9Y6n1G5hhc

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-selects-astrobotic-to-fly-water-hunting-rover-to-the-moon

[Anonymous No.11786280]

>>11786164
/sfg/ needs awful VineSauce memes

[Anonymous No.11786297]

>>11785907
Some of us think their obsession with jello babies and tethers and tilt-a-whirls is funny and like to tweak them about it.
But I really would like to see someone have the balls to have mice in zero-gee go from fucking to baby mice to grown mice. It's not that they will go jello or whatever, it's that TPTB don't want even the slightest chance of the bad optics of however it fucks up pregnancy and growth.

[Anonymous No.11786312]

>>11786297
desu I don't think it even matters what results you get in microgravity. Who is ever going to breed and stay in free fall? Mars and the moon are what we should be looking at and those results won't tell us anything about them

[Anonymous No.11786324]

>>11786312
>Who is ever going to breed and stay in free fall?
PornHub?

[Anonymous No.11786332]

>>11786324
>https://youtu.be/9YrzBKuv5aA

[Anonymous No.11786355]

>>11785900
Each fairing on the Falcon rockets costs 6 million dollars (12 million for both halves) and the second stage of Falcon 9 costs ~15 million dollars.
Even though the first stage has 9 times the engines as the second stage, it isn't 9x as expensive, because SpaceX is running their rocket engine factory like a factory instead of a grant farm (ahem, aerojet rocketdyne). Finally, each booster still requires some refurb between launches.

Starship on the other hand wont' need refurb, doesn't have fairings to lose, and doesn't have any expendable stages. It really is just "more reusable"

[Anonymous No.11786367]

>>11785922
Merlin engines do not make up the lion's share of stage cost, unlike pretty much any other rocket. Most of the cost of either stage on Falcon 9 is actually just the stage itself; it's a complete myth that propellant stages are cheap and easy to manufacture, in fact they're just as optimized as rocket engines.

[Anonymous No.11786370]

>>11786355
What about a fairing half requires $6million to build? Isn't it just a metal shell and a parachute?
Seems like you could build that for a few hundred bucks at most, what drives up the cost?
Also did they catch either fairing from the last Starlink launch?

[Anonymous No.11786382]

>Dr. Bigelow's extra heavy dosage
It was a quiet day out in the cosmos. NASA and Bigelow both stood opposite of each other:
"NASA: You have been skipping out on your IP. Why?" asked Bigelow
"I am an American Space Administration. I don't need any of these worthless IPs!" he replied with defiance.

Bigelow shook his head in disapproval and began to charge up his BA-330 tanks. Before he knew it, NASA was trapped and ready to receive its innovation:
"I didn't get this engineering degree for nothing. I want to help spaceflight. Just sit still and it'll be over soon," Bigelow calmly stated

Despite his gentle reassurance, NASA continued to struggle, cursing at the billionaire under his breath. Piccolo pulled up his and orbits: He was ready to administer the dosage. Bigelow inserted his long, thick, BEAM into the ISS's exposed docking port.

"GET IT OUT OF THERE, YOU FILTHY RICH MAN!" shouted NASA.
Bigelow replied "That is no way to speak to your investor!" and continued to apply the orbital dose

Bigelow's BEAM was thoroughly pounding the ISS and it was near connection. But it seemed it just wasn't enough to help his patient. What should I do though? Bigelow thought. Suddenly, like a flash, the idea came to him: Immediately after docking, Bigelow unsheathed his Bigelow BA-330 from the ISS and began to charge himself up. NASA thought, it was finally over, but he turned his head back only to see a giant BA-330, with its crew volume even larger than ever.

[Anonymous No.11786385]

>>11785945
>How are colonists supposed to set up a new colony if none of them can even walk?
They'll have ~18 months to do work on the surface of Mars before the launch window to return to Earth opens, which means needing to get around by scooting on their asses and holding onto hand rails for a few days after landing is a non-issue. It only takes between a few dozen hours and a few days for a person's inner ear function to return.

[Anonymous No.11786386]

>>11786370
>Isn't it just a metal shell and a parachute?
It's carbon fiber, and parachutes for since parachutes are so notoriously tricky for these applications I wouldn't be surprised if that's a decent investment as well.

[Anonymous No.11786389]

>>11786386
I went back partway through and fucked that up. Ignore the extra 'parachutes for'

[Anonymous No.11786392]

>>11786151

If Boeing were smart, they'd make a derivative of this specialized for removing decommissioned /derelict satellites from orbit to return them to earth.

Everyone seems to be ignoring to the space junk issue.

[Anonymous No.11786393]

>>11786382
NASA braced itself for the Saturn V-sized balloon that was about to penetrate the ISS. At first, it hurt incredibly: NASA had never felt such an powerful surge of pain before. But after an hour of nonstop pressurization, the crew volume became stretched and worn out to the point where he could enjoy it!

When Bigelow finally finished, it was released at such a force that the ISS released a large quantity of the air. Bigelow reverted back to his normal funds and let the ISS free:
"Thanks, doc. I'm sorry about how I was acting before. This module is great! I'll see you tomorrow then."

As the ISS flew over, Bigelow gave a smile of satisfaction: He was glad he could help another administration with their inflatable dose. But he had to hurry and give the other space programs their inflatable doses too! And so, he flew off as well.

[Anonymous No.11786396]

>>11786083
Even if Venus had much nicer surface conditions that would allow us to set up a non-meme colony, it still wouldn't make sense to set up our first colonies there, because colonizing Venus does nothing at all to enable us to further explore and colonize the solar system. Venus simply has too much gravity, almost as much as Earth.

[Anonymous No.11786401]

>>11786392
>Everyone seems to be ignoring to the space junk issue.
That's because it's not a pressing matter. There's no incentive (particularly monetarily) in creating solutions to a problem that hasn't manifested.

[Anonymous No.11786407]

>>11786134
What part of "added safety mechanisms to neutralize flaws" didn't you understand?
Needing a LES means your launch system has inherent reliability issues.

[Anonymous No.11786411]

>>11786212
>It's already taking NASA decades to do it.
NASA takes decades to do anything. If we need spin gravity to get to Mars, SpaceX will do that. It'll only take them a few months to whip an experimental prototype tether system together if the problem becomes apparent.

[Anonymous No.11786412]

>>11785973
They won’t cancel it, but it will certainly fly the minimum amount of times it is legally obligated to. I can’t imagine them pumping out more than 10, hell more than 3 really...
And from the way Starship is looking I would be so bold as to say SLS might be the very last in-house rocket we ever see that is made directly by NASA- unless they have a major rocket philosophy change (or Jim gets fired and replaced by a democrat who just wants to appease politicians and their contractors)

[Anonymous No.11786431]

>>11786412
>SLS might be the very last in-house rocket we ever see that is made directly by NASA
I certainly hope so. You wouldn't have a small research oriented division of the government trying to pump out competitive cars or planes. It makes no more sense to do it with launch vehicles in the modern commercial landscape.

[Anonymous No.11786435]

>>11786370
Each fairing has a ton of hardware installed for doing things like climate control and shit.
Each fairing is two huge carbon fiber layups sandwiched around and bonded to an aluminum honeycomb core. The manufacturing process isn't just expensive, it's also extremely time consuming.
I guarantee you that the fairings on other launch vehicles cost just as much per square meter if not more, but those costs are hidden behind the extreme costs of the rocket itself, and of course its multi-million dollar overpriced engines.

[Anonymous No.11786442]

>>11785250
Or they could just land on the moon to begin with and spend their money there.

[Anonymous No.11786452]

>>11786435
>I guarantee you that the fairings on other launch vehicles cost just as much per square meter if not more, but those costs are hidden
I can believe that easily, especially since they always talked up the Shuttle as being effective because it only threw away that single "cheap" external tank, except that tank cost more than an expendable Falcon 9 does today, and expendable Falcon 9 beats Shuttle in terms of payload to LEO and of course payload to anywhere beyond LEO.

[Anonymous No.11786456]

>>11785250
Gateway won't lead to Moon bases owned by multiple countries, at most it will represent a couple extra contracts for station modules that will be used to construct Gateway.

[Anonymous No.11786459]

>>11786370
SpaceX also uses hydraulic ferring separation, not explosive

[Anonymous No.11786465]

>>11786456
To this day the purpose of Gateway eludes me. It's just a dV tax to the surface. Its existence seems to be an intentional boondoggle.

[Anonymous No.11786467]

>>11786188
very cursed

[Anonymous No.11786481]

>>11786370
>Also did they catch either fairing from the last Starlink launch?
nopp

[Anonymous No.11786489]

>>11786243
Astrobotic said they wanted to communicate with Earth using a satellite orbiting the Moon but said there weren't any good options. Whoever gets a comms sat that covers the Lunar south pole will have a monopoly for awhile.

[Anonymous No.11786494]

>>11786412
>(or Jim gets fired and replaced by a democrat who just wants to appease politicians and their contractors)
>inb4 that replacement strips away Artemis because it's orange man's legacy

[Anonymous No.11786503]

>>11786465
Yeah but we have the rockets to pay that tax to get there, and it can be adjusted to stage landings all over the surface. Although THIS part seems like the real waste cause we’ll probably just see landings to the south pole lmao.
>>11786494
I can’t imagine Artemis being more viable than Apollo. What’s stopping it from getting cancelled after loss of public interest after the first landing? I guess the real question is how in the fuck NASA secured funding for ISS for the past 22 years and can they do this for Artemis?

[Anonymous No.11786504]

>>11786489
>whoever
are we pretending that won't be spacex?

[Anonymous No.11786510]

>>11785717
>the Misaka Network is becoming real

[Anonymous No.11786525]

>>11786151
you're sister

[Anonymous No.11786530]

>>11786503
>What’s stopping it from getting cancelled after loss of public interest after the first landing?
NASA's plan is Gateway also known as ISS 2.0.

>I guess the real question is how in the fuck NASA secured funding for ISS for the past 22 years and can they do this for Artemis?
I think it was mainly down to the fact that it was an international station that had international partners who would be upset that their few chances to do things in space got canned.

There is also the possibility that it was also due to the ISS seeming "non-threatening" in terms of growing budgets. Apollo was "scary" for politicians because it had all the technology and infrastructure ready to not only go back to the moon but also travel beyond it. Which means a much larger budget to fuel the expansion. ISS is just a dingy RV of a station which had no ambitions beyond just sitting there and look pretty. Which looks more sensible to a politican who's more concerned about pleasing constituents? As long as Gateway looks non-threatening like the ISS, then it and some part of Artemis can survive a Democrat president.

[Anonymous No.11786617]

>>11785359
nobody even posted anime, some guy posted the Saturn V gijinka (which isn't anime, it's /jp/)

[Anonymous No.11786654]

>>11785635
>New Glenn is still a paper rocket right now
It's not a paper rocket if there's hardware. They've started on the tank production, they have a fairing done, and the engine definitely exists.
They just don't seem anywhere close to a fully assembled rocket.

[Anonymous No.11786670]

>>11786654
I would say New Glenn is more than just “on paper”, but it’s about equal with Starship. Difference is we know which of these two are going to fly first. Will blue origin ever do more than just make rocket engines for ULA? I can’t imagine their own rockets flying any time soon and quite frankly I don’t think they care at all

[Anonymous No.11786671]

>>11786654
to be fair they still have 1.5 years to launch it until the official deadline

[Anonymous No.11786678]

>>11786382
>>11786393

[Anonymous No.11786736]

>>11785258
They swapped out the flag livery in favor of this flame design. It's better though still not great. I imagine neither will appear on the final rocket though, just like the SLS had unsightly stripes on its SRBs in some old renders.

[Anonymous No.11786751]

>>11785171
When the fuck are they gonna man up and stop littering with shitty boosters all over the place? Build a real engine.

[Anonymous No.11786756]

>>11786751
The boosters are part of a "Dial-A-Rocket" design philosophy intended to cut down on costs. Which makes sense for an expendable or partially-reusable rocket.

[Anonymous No.11786761]

>>11786756
Whenever I see boosters attached to a rocket, this is what I really see.

[Anonymous No.11786762]

>>11786751
think they're planning reuse on vulcan 'eventually'

[Anonymous No.11786763]

>>11786736
Aw man I actually kind of liked that “whisp” design on the SLS’s SRB’s. Looked better than the average looking white shuttle design. Still not as bad as that UGLY ass red white and blue mockup we saw with the Artemis spacesuits- I hope that shit never makes it to space.

[Anonymous No.11786770]

>>11786762
The time for expendable is over. You'd think they'd gotten the memo by now when they barely have a fucking marketshare left.

[Anonymous No.11786792]

>>11786770
Yeah I agree. Obviously for a company like ULA , designing and building a new heavy launch vehicle is a long process, but you’d think they would start to try and compete with spacex’s philosophy... The helicopter recovery idea just seems so dumb they’re probably not even going to do it other than a couple of times for experiment

[Anonymous No.11786797]

>>11785583
Design, yes.
Build, probably.
Afford launching, probably not. An Electron launch is $6 million.

[Anonymous No.11786803]

>>11786756
>Which makes sense for an expendable or partially-reusable rocket.
Honestly, the dial-a-rocket philosophy is a failure. Falcon 9 is the cheapest option per payload around because they make one version to launch any payload mass, and if the payload is small relative to capacity they say fuck it and launch the whole thing anyway.

[Anonymous No.11786815]

>>11785900
Because you are comparing the sticker price of falcon heavy to the projected internal cost to launch starship you numpty.

[Anonymous No.11786834]

>>11786792
>but you’d think they would start to try and compete with spacex’s philosophy
Company culture comes from people. You'd have to replace a ton of managers and executives to pivot like that.

[Anonymous No.11786907]

>>11786834
It's even worse with ULA because both its parents are oldspace. You could remove everyone and all you'd get in the turnover is more of the same.

[Anonymous No.11786912]

>>11786297
the real danger here is this scenario:
>experiment shows that mice babies come out as horrible abominations that can't survive on their own, brains fucked up etc.
>government decides manned spaceflight is officially over, drops all space funding aside from earth satellites for the next 80 years

[Anonymous No.11786917]

>>11786834
Have heard that ULA has a hard time holding onto bright-eyed, ambitious youngsters because of its culture, which is going to make it that much harder to change the culture. It's going to be stuck as it is unless there's either mass firings or the old farts in executive positions start retiring.

[Anonymous No.11786929]

>>11786670
BO has been slow so far, but that doesn't mean they can't catch up. Jeff seems to have some pretty ambitious plans involving industrializing and colonizing space, he just isn't as ballsy as Elon.

[Anonymous No.11786943]

hmmmmm
what IS this thing

[Anonymous No.11786960]

>>11785149
Is this applicable to the thread? It’s about SpaceX tangentially. Tesla has just reached $1000 a share And is now valued higher on the stock market then Toyota.

[Anonymous No.11786962]

>>11786943
a pickup truck

[Anonymous No.11786966]

>>11786929
I won't say BO cannot catch up but I don't see it being any sooner than decades down the line at this point. New Glenn is not the rocket they need right now and any fully reusable superheavy lifter to compete with SS is probably more than a decade away at their pace.

[Anonymous No.11786973]

>>11786960
No, go to >>>/biz/
>>11786962
no, this thing
also: how can it be a truck if it's not even angular

[Anonymous No.11786978]

>>11786912
>government decides manned spaceflight is officially over, drops all space funding aside from earth satellites for the next 80 years
>SpaceX doesn't care and continues colonizing Moon and Mars by themselves, simply holding off on the in-situ reproduction thing until they have spin-gravity stations to pack pregnant women into

[Anonymous No.11786984]

>>11786966
You're forgetting that spacex went from barely being able to launch the falcon 1 to their current success in only 15 years. and bezos can dump billions into it.

[Anonymous No.11786986]

>>11786973
I think those are the CH4/LOX pumps for the test stand.

[Anonymous No.11786994]

>>11786973
Cryogenic recondenser; converts methane boil-off vapors back into liquid methane, using liquid nitrogen, which is both cheaper and able to be vented directly to atmosphere without requiring a flare stack.

[Anonymous No.11786997]

>>11786984
I'm not forgetting shit. BO is not SpaceX. Money doesn't make good pace, good management makes good pace.
BO was around before SpaceX, it's been pumped with papa B's stipend for a long time now. Just compare the pace with which BO developed the BE-4 to SpaceX developing the superior-in-every-way Raptor.

[Anonymous No.11787008]

>>11786984
>and bezos can dump billions into it
Okay, and since when does more money = faster development in aerospace? Just look at SLS, or better yet look at JWST.
Having less money means you need to be leaner and faster in order to produce and stay afloat, while an unlimited budget lets you be as fat and lazy as you want (in fact it directly incentivizes being fatter and lazier).

[Anonymous No.11787010]

>>11786984
Blue Origin went from a billionaire's think tank to a billionaire's think tank with an oversized model rocket in 15 years, anon

[Anonymous No.11787021]

>>11786997
Not only does money not equate to good pace, money is what allows bad management to persist, which almost always means significantly worse pace and worse final product.

Also, if BO moved at the same pace as SpaceX they'd be far ahead of where SpaceX is now, because BO is actually the older company.

[Anonymous No.11787042]

>>11787021
Yeah i’m pretty sure part of the reason why SpaceX has persisted is because Elon had just enough money to keep it afloat, but more importantly it is full of people trying to beat the odds- and these people are willing to put in the long hours and all nighters to get the job done. The space business isn’t necessarily something you go into for profit as a small company, but there seems to be a culture of persistence with spacex whereas BO seems to breed off the deep pockets of Bezos to do “business as usual” while not really doing anything

[Anonymous No.11787048]

I just came up with a kinetic energy rocket assist concept and I need you guys to tell me how stupid it is.

Imagine:

bunch a sky scraper sized towers in a ring around a chemical rocket. Suspended by each tower is as large a weight it can hold. Each weight is connected to a pulley/ spring system that flicks the rocket upward. Could this somehow work or is it worse than the spinning guys

[Anonymous No.11787049]

>tfw you will never make it to space

[Anonymous No.11787057]

>>11787048
catapult assist isn't the stupidest thing I've ever heard (that's the rockoon) but it's up there

[Anonymous No.11787065]

>Cummings: SpaceX, through a partnership with NASA's Kennedy Space Center, has "a lot of data from Apollo" on "the properties of the lunar regolith and how things like the plumes from engines and the lunar regolith interact."

[Anonymous No.11787067]

>>11787065
Is this stuff not just public in the first place? For what purpose

[Anonymous No.11787078]

>>11787057
>(that's the rockoon)
A what, rocket-balloon?
Actually, what's wrong with using a dirigible to heft a rocket as high as you can get it before lighting the engine, you'd be getting it past the thickest part of the atmosphere for relatively cheap, probably wouldn't need as large a rocket.
If you can launch off a big ugly plane, why not a big ugly blimp? brb will research in KSP.

[Anonymous No.11787084]

>>11787067
Not everything is public, we don’t want the the Chinese to find out without doing it themselves (lol this isn’t a joke. My thesis advisor works for NASA and he is ordered by law to not share Mars regolith composition with any Chinese scientist)

[Anonymous No.11787094]

>>11787084
based

[Anonymous No.11787096]

the future of spaceflight is female

/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/h100xv/new_starship_upskirt_render_with_detailed_raptors/ftpqhqg/

[Anonymous No.11787099]

>>11787067
just like most science that's locked behind paywalls, if you just go and talk to the people who did it they'll give it away
only instead of approaching a scientist as a scientist, you need to approach NASA as an American citizen (in person) and it'll mostly work out
they have a limited budget for that (due to limited interest from the public) but the technical data isn't something they're guarding from Americans

[Anonymous No.11787105]

>>11785462
>>11785396
Based

[Anonymous No.11787111]

>>11787078
you need a fucking huge blimp in order to haul a big rocket
it's easier to just make your rocket slightly bigger
air launch (especially if you can do a pull-up maneuver) is almost worth it because you might be able to do single stage from there to orbit
haven't seen the numbers yet but if you can do recoverable subsonic airlaunch zeroeth stage to single stage to orbit then it'll be totally worth it

[Anonymous No.11787124]

>>11787084
What about chinese-americans? Because if he shares it with them then China already has it

[Anonymous No.11787133]

>>11787096
anon, I

[Anonymous No.11787137]

>>11787133
Cringe. Better tweet it to the main man and see if he likes it.

[Anonymous No.11787143]

>>11787096
>>11787133
>leddit
kys

[Anonymous No.11787144]

>>11787143
I only went there to repost it here, but it had been deleted
as you can see, I do not even have a reddit account

[Anonymous No.11787145]

>>11787133
SAVE ME, MODS

[Anonymous No.11787147]

>>11787145
that is lewd

[Anonymous No.11787152]

>>11787057
Same anon here, would it work better in smaller gravity wells?

[Anonymous No.11787153]

>>11785149
>First manned Starship that makes it to Mars has mariachi music playing as the elevator descends to the surface.

[Anonymous No.11787156]

>>11787145
fucking whore

[Anonymous No.11787162]

>>11787145
>>11787133
Has someone done a humanization of this yet?

[Anonymous No.11787167]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEnz8V97Qck

[Anonymous No.11787193]

>>11787124
That's the loophole and is what will eventually lead to them getting put in camps.

[Anonymous No.11787209]

>>11787124
Depends on how assimilated they are, non-Chinease also can become spies for monetary/ideological reasons, it’s just they are less likely to. The best way to defend upon espionage is to innovate so fast that by the time the CCP stole your tech it’s already obsolete.

[Anonymous No.11787210]

>>11787209
China could be hand delivered the blueprints and they wouldn't be able to build a Raptor because their materials science is trash.

[Anonymous No.11787223]

>>11787210
Really depends. They've reverse engineered many things from the world with just pieces here/there. If they get good enough blue print, they can easily replicate most of the Raptor designs.

[Anonymous No.11787225]

>>11787223
>If they get good enough blue print
, money, time, and manpower. Things that China is abundant in right now. Especially if military/state gets involved.

[Anonymous No.11787237]

>>11787209
And sexual reasons, FBI and CIA agents can't resist chinese pussy

[Anonymous No.11787240]

>>11787225
Yeah and then they get some mongrel materials from a "certified" mill containing anything but what they actually ordered and everything explodes on the test bench.

[Anonymous No.11787244]

>>11787162
There's no upskirt stuff, but they are humanizations.

[Anonymous No.11787246]

>>11787244
fuck off

[Anonymous No.11787249]

>>11787133
for some reason old reddit still shows the post kek

[Anonymous No.11787251]

What would /sfg/ bring aboard mars to entertain themselves?
>>11787246
no

[Anonymous No.11787253]

>>11787240
And the fake contractor gets "disappeared" by the state. They got harsh punishments for military/state related things. I'm thinking they got good enough material science. They stole Japanese bullet train and overproduced them to extreme degree. Their hypersonic missiles were supposedly stolen from US, but they made it a success with multiple test runs while ours is a failure even today.

[Anonymous No.11787254]

>>11787124
He hasn’t had to deal with that problem AFAIK. Our geology department has a ton of Chinese students (we have an exchange program) but they are all geochemists. Nice people but they smell like shit and don’t speak english. Only whites and indians go into petrology and planetary science. We don’t talk to the fucking nerd geochemists, they know nothing about geology or chemistry desu

[Anonymous No.11787256]

>>11787240
IIRC the questionable Chinese materials is only an issue if you're not with the Chinese government. Which makes sense as communist regimes have a way of making its people disappear on a whim.

[Anonymous No.11787261]

>>11787240
It doesn’t matter if China’s version of American tech is a bit shittier because they can make 50 times the amount of something we can.

[Anonymous No.11787265]

>>11787256
It's a communist system, they cut corners everywhere. Look at that fucking BSL-4 lab of theirs where they reported SERIOUS lack of trained personnel and serious concerns of actually keeping shit under control long before the kung flu shit was a thing.

Pic very related. You can call them an "economic powerhouse" until you're blue in the face, but they get paid fuck all.

[Anonymous No.11787269]

>>11787256
The other reason it makes sense is because consumer goods are sold at the cheapest rate possible and they cut all sorts of corners. People buy them because they're cheap and they have to finds ways to get the cheapest product out there while still being marginally decent. This is why you get $0.50 bluetooth module in China, but if you buy one made in US, it would cost $20 or more.

[Anonymous No.11787270]

>>11787249
lol reddit

Somebody should post some really fucked up r34 under clickbait titles just to keep these retards riled up.

[Anonymous No.11787273]

>>11785508
>Upskirt shot of her exposed bells.
OH FUCK OH FUCK I-I'M GONNA
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[Anonymous No.11787287]

>>11787251
Music, especially if you get some downlink with earth you could download songs (it’ll take a while but it could be done). LAN video games for past time. Low gravity exercise like swimming or biking if there are indoor facilities- id also like to start a casual softball or lacrosse team but I wouldn’t want it to get too jocky and competitive. I’d also read a lot but I don’t read here on Earth so I hope the library would be stocked with dank readings. Also i’d be really absorbed in my work, whatever it is.

[Anonymous No.11787292]

>>11787133
>>11787249
Who the fuck even goes there and why? What a phenomenal waste of time, go anonymous or go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.11787296]

>>11787287
>I wouldn’t want it to get too jocky and competitive

Only Type A chads are going to Mars.

Marsball will be an intense sport of fighter pilots who also have PHDs trying to destroy each other in 0.4G

In other words, it'd be really cool and if you televised it that would probably pay for half of the colony.

[Anonymous No.11787303]

>>11787292
>Who the fuck even goes there and why?
It's pretty convenient for niche hobbies that might not get a dedicated general here, and it's easy to read past discussions there too. Just avoid the politically charged and popular subreddits and the cancer won't be any worse than here.

[Anonymous No.11787309]

>>11787296
This is why lacrosse is optimal. Something like baseball or basketball would be too crazy, you could take full court shots or hit home runs with simple dinks of the bat. Lacrosse would just be a matter of learning how to pass, run, and shoot in a low-g environment. Marsball would be full of Chads

[Anonymous No.11787327]

>>11787309
I want to see jai alai death matches.

That or completely absurd basketball games where everybody is in the air all of the time and the hoops are like 30 feet off of the ground.

[Anonymous No.11787338]

>>11787327
I hope my kids or my grandkids have the chance to have powered flight competitions on Titan. You could strap wings to your spacesuit and flap your arms and fly. How fucking amazing would that be, it could be like the redbull air races

[Anonymous No.11787353]

>>11787251
1 PB of porn/anime/movies/tvshows/music/books/ets

You can buy 100 TB SSD today @ $40K, the size of standard HDD. But if it was on Mars, I suspect we'd be in 2030s, by then I will guess we will have 1 petabyte for $40K or so.

[Anonymous No.11787362]

>>11787353
If I was going to Mars, I'd be too busy doing actual shit there to be a fucking hikki. Wouldn't need all that shit.

[Anonymous No.11787372]

>>11787362
You say that now, but once the time comes you'll be glad to carry the extra 200 grams of SSD.

[Anonymous No.11787374]

>>11787353
>t.

[Anonymous No.11787383]

>>11787374
VR and interplanetary travel developing in tandem makes me worry that this is basically what all the voyages are going to devolve into

[Anonymous No.11787386]

>>11787374
Putting the ass in 4ass.

[Anonymous No.11787387]

>>11785973
>Surely at a certain point congress is going to lose patience
lmao they only care the the money keeps rolling in

[Anonymous No.11787388]

>>11785925
Yes, actually, let's do exactly that. Colonization over the oceans only worked when we ignored people like you and just did things hoping they'd turn out well hundreds of years later.

[Anonymous No.11787391]

>>11786152
What's wrong with this?

[Anonymous No.11787395]

>>11785973
>what happened that made them so unable to build rockets anyway?
cost-plus contracting

[Anonymous No.11787396]

>>11787353
Similarly, assuming internet uplink won't be available, hours and hours of vtuber livestream recordings. Same shit that gets me through gardening, working out, and cooking at home.

[Anonymous No.11787398]

>>11787383
Why do you worry? VR might make interplanetary trips bearable even if it devolves into a degenerate VR orgy between all the crews of a convoy.

[Anonymous No.11787400]

>>11787398
You want Space Wolves? Because I'm pretty fucking sure that's how you get Space Wolves.

[Anonymous No.11787403]

>>11787296
>Only Type A chads are going to Mars.

Incorrect assessment. Yes the first few ships will be full of gigachad fighter pilot doctor engineers but they will run out of these very fast. Imagine a Venn diagram with circles labelled "wants to go" "can afford to go" "has relevant trade and/or technical skills" and "has no family"

It will be a very small amount of people. If you want to go, have some practical skills and the money you stand a very good chance.

[Anonymous No.11787404]

>>11787398
why not just have a regular orgy

[Anonymous No.11787409]

>>11787388
>Colonization over the oceans only worked when we ignored people like you
the difference between colonizing the Americas and colonizing Mars is that there's nothing on Mars anybody actually wants and many, many people already see it as completely pointless.

[Anonymous No.11787411]

>>11787353
>get to Mars
>find most of your data is fucked because the rads fried it

[Anonymous No.11787416]

>>11787404
Contemplate the mess.

[Anonymous No.11787417]

>>11787404
Would an orgy even be possible in mirco-g? Wouldn't the motions of everyone involved just end up tossing out the outermost members of the fuck ball?

[Anonymous No.11787418]

>>11787417
you need to hold on

[Anonymous No.11787419]

>>11787411
>tfw they pull you aside and start questioning you about the lead bricks labeled 'porn vault' you had to submit for the manifest

[Anonymous No.11787423]

>>11787353
>1 PB
Bruh, you're going to need way more.

[Anonymous No.11787427]

>>11787419
they better not confiscate your lead, I need that to cast muh bullets

[Anonymous No.11787435]

>>11787423
Okay, 100 PB, or 2 KG of extra weight onboard.

[Anonymous No.11787439]

>>11787398
VR being used recreationally for extended periods of time outside of training purposes just concerns me. Lot of potential for people to become detached, and idk about you but being trapped in ship with people who are becoming increasingly mentally unstable sounds like a bad idea. I don't think it's something many people can handle responsibly. There have been movies about this and they don't strike me as unrealistic

[Anonymous No.11787445]

It's only a matter of time before china says fuck it and quadruples the budget of their space program, rapidly develops a horribly unsafe deep space capsule, and sends some poor soul on a venus flyby just to shit on america

[Anonymous No.11787446]

>>11787439
I used to play a lot of VR, it fucked with my head pretty bad about what is real when I would play for extended stretches over many days, probably didn't help I was stoned as fuck most of the time. But yeah I think as the tech improves this is going to be a very noticeable phenomenon, shit you already have neets over on /vrg/ who basically live in their headsets.

[Anonymous No.11787452]

>>11787439
>Lot of potential for people to become detached
this is an outdated boomer meme concern, VR has no more chance of "detaching" anyone than any hobby

[Anonymous No.11787455]

>>11787445
Why is this thread full of schizos convinced the Chinese “Space” Program is fully prepared to try and outcompete the US?

[Anonymous No.11787457]

this graph SUCKS

[Anonymous No.11787460]

>>11787439
It's a bunch of people stuck on a tin can in microgravity for months at a time. It doesn't matter if it's VR or any other form of media or just staring at a wall, the vast majority of everyone's time in transit will be spent practising some form of escapism.

[Anonymous No.11787462]

>>11787455
If they want to they could make a very good shot of it. They have gigabytes of photos from boca Chica so if they wanted to could just pump out endless starship style prototypes using their massive industrial base until it works.

[Anonymous No.11787464]

>>11787457
a lot messier than I excepted 2bh

[Anonymous No.11787467]

>>11787445
They're as likely to throw a dissident INTO Venus.

[Anonymous No.11787471]

>>11787457
why?

[Anonymous No.11787475]

>>11787462
So could jeff bezos, but it isn’t worth the money. Not for another billionaire and certainly not for a fucking degenerate country who’s entire GDP is one unstable inflated mess

[Anonymous No.11787476]

>>11787418
>be me
>partaking in the SN69 orgy
>get booty slammed out of the fuck ball
>try to grab a hold on someone
>grab something thick and slimy
>it's some guy's penis
>hrw

[Anonymous No.11787480]

>Backup Date June 11, 2020 7:00 p.m. – 8:00 p.m. Closure Canceled
>Backup Date June 12, 2020 8:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. Closure Canceled
AAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.11787481]

>>11787455
>schizos
That is the answer
>>11787462
'gigabytes of photos of boca chica' gives you absolutely nothing. You think any nation in the world lacks the ability to acquire, shape, and weld rolls of stainless steel?

[Anonymous No.11787482]

>>11787481
China lacks that ability hahahah

[Anonymous No.11787485]

>>11786912
i could see that happening in zero g, but we'd have to test that in mars gravity

[Anonymous No.11787491]

>>11787452
Is it though? I mean just look at how smartphones have altered people's behavior. VR is just that cranked up to 11. I'm not saying it's this guaranteed affect that will happen to everyone but there are certain personalities that are more susceptible to stuff like this who will take to it hard and not in a good way. I don't know of any other hobbies whose entire premise is to fabricate a new (and more pleasurable) reality

[Anonymous No.11787495]

>>11787249
fucking reddit

[Anonymous No.11787496]

>>11787480
What

[Anonymous No.11787498]

>>11787481
>You think any nation in the world lacks the ability to acquire, shape, and weld rolls of stainless steel?

For making rockets? A specialised desifn totally different from any kind of steel pressure vessel? Yes seeing how it's already being done will give you a big head start.

[Anonymous No.11787503]

>>11787491
When I become supreme high chancellor I will order every smartphone destroyed. The amount of damage they have done to society is immeasurable.

[Anonymous No.11787504]

>>11787353
>der coomer

[Anonymous No.11787507]

>>11787491
>I mean just look at how smartphones have altered people's behavior.
People get distracted by their smartphones because they overly rely on them and have them by their sides at all times. Unless you have some kind of neural jack and are living in the year 2077 how do the problems with smartphones transfer to VR in any way?

[Anonymous No.11787510]

>>11787398
I wouldn't exactly want a space colony to be filled with eldar tier hedonists either.

[Anonymous No.11787511]

>>11787503
Just ban Internet ads and in-game purchases on all platforms. 90 percent of the normie net goes poof.

[Anonymous No.11787512]

>>11787511
Hazardously base'd.

[Anonymous No.11787513]

>>11787498
>A specialised desifn totally different from any kind of steel pressure vessel?
You can add as much to it as you like to make it sound more complicated but it's still a welded tube of 4mil thick 300 series stainless. There's nothing hard about it. The ship itself is the easy part, which is why they (and ITAR) don't care about having it out in the open.

[Anonymous No.11787514]

>>11787498
The thing would eviscerate before making it to orbit. The chinese might be degenerate scum but they aren’t competing for space supremacy, and if they began ramping up production tomorrow to compete with us we’re already light years ahead

[Anonymous No.11787523]

>>11787511
That's probably true I suppose. Still I would destroy every smartphone regardless to make sure, people should have a semi-dumbphone with the ability to make calls, texts and emails, listen to music and use navigation apps from their phone. That's it.

[Anonymous No.11787531]

>>11787523
This. Mobile phones are the parasite's way to control minds.

[Anonymous No.11787544]

>>11787523
I want to take a break from the China discussion and give my input on the smartphone discussion. Fuck smartphones. They have done nothing but degrade society. My ex girlfriend would just stare at her phone even when I brought her to nice restaurants. It’s not that I’m cynical about it- I just think it’s destroying the fabric of society. Civilization on mars only need walkie talkies/star trek communicators and that’s it. Internet should be reserved for indoor use when not socializing

[Anonymous No.11787546]

>>11787507
It's a demonstration of how quickly new technology can become embedded in a person's psyche. And VR is more powerful than phones, instead of opening a social media app you can put on a headset and visit communities "in person" with HD visuals and surround sound. A VR setup would be no less accessible than a phone when you're locked in on a 6 month trip to Mars. If you don't see the potential for trouble there then I think you have way too much faith in the average person's ability to resist the effects it'll have

[Anonymous No.11787557]

>>11787544
Glad you dumbed that bitch anon

[Anonymous No.11787562]

>>11787546
> A VR setup would be no less accessible than a phone when you're locked in on a 6 month trip to Mars.
Why the fuck are you even worried about what people are doing on the trip there? Good luck enforcing some sort of hyper-normie socialization policy, everyone will be sick of each other in a week.
Anyway, VR is still the opposite end of the spectrum from smartphones. At any time you can crack open a book, pull out a phone, a manga, a magazine, whatever. I don't see why you are pissed about VR specifically which is the most spacially limited and takes the most time to set up and get into.

[Anonymous No.11787563]

>>11787546
I don't think VR is going to be as problematic as you think. you can't use it for that long bc of eye strain and practical reasons. even then, if it's used to facilitate normal interaction in environments where socializing is difficult (i.e. space) then it could be a useful tool. besides, the deteriorating mental health problems caused by chronic social media exposure are already known by most people

[Anonymous No.11787575]

>>11787544
>friends come over to watch/play some shit
>just sit there texting other people the entire time
Why are you even in my house, go home.

[Anonymous No.11787578]

>>11787562
>Why the fuck are you even worried about what people are doing on the trip there?
Because I'll be in close proximity with them for half a year? What kind of question is that?

>Good luck enforcing some sort of hyper-normie socialization policy
Actually the opposite but ok

> I don't see why you are pissed about VR specifically which is the most spatially limited and takes the most time to set up and get into.
Glad you've come around to arguing against its practicality issues rather than its psychological ones

[Anonymous No.11787579]

>>11787562
Yeah that’s the reality. Who the fuck is going to enforce the “no VR, no jacking off, no antisocial tendencies, etc.” policy- much less FOLLOW those rules. I believe people who fly on Starships (especially the first generation) will already be prepared mentally and should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want so long as it doesn’t impede on anyone else’s privacy or alone time

[Anonymous No.11787591]

[Anonymous No.11787596]

>>11787579
it's because of people like you that i'll have to purchase the platinum security package whenever i want to get off this planet

[Anonymous No.11787598]

>>11787544
Iktf bro

[Anonymous No.11787609]

>>11787591
What if you work from home and the screens are the same

[Anonymous No.11787612]

>>11787596
Your smug ass will get thrown out the airlock the second you start a monologue about how everyone’s VR set is “jeopardizing the mission“. They’ll find your goop-covered mangas after the fact and realize your personal escapism was even more degenerate than the very thing you were complaining about.

[Anonymous No.11787613]

>>11787609
>time to close bad window
>hello, good window! I missed you

[Anonymous No.11787614]

>>11787578
>Glad you've come around to arguing against its practicality issues rather than its psychological ones
Its practicality issues are what nullifies your argument, though. You wanted to compare it to a smartphone, but the main point smartphones have in their favor and the main problem they cause on a societal basis is their convenience. Comparing them to a form of entertainment that is probably the least convenient doesn't make sense to me.
>Because I'll be in close proximity with them for half a year?
Unless they're being disruptive it literally doesn't matter. Otherwise it doesn't really change anything.

[Anonymous No.11787632]

>>11787596
Literally what are you arguing against? That anon just said people should be able to do whatever they want so long as it keeps the physical and mental well-being of society intact. Your attempt at googling a smuggie and pretending to be clever only shows how retarted you are. You won’t be taking first class to Mars, you’ll be taking the short bus to the local elementary school

[Anonymous No.11787649]

>>11787614
Exactly, you shifted the goalposts to "but actually there wouldn't be enough space so it wouldn't matter anyway". If there's demand I'm sure people will figure out how to make it work.

>Unless they're being disruptive it literally doesn't matter. Otherwise it doesn't really change anything.
No one's disruptive until they are. What then? Why not prevent that situation from arising in the first place? Why not do any number of other activities? Are you that addicted?

>>11787632
Simple, I don't think that unlimited recreational VR is conducive to a mentally healthy society or crew. I've explained my reasoning for that position already

[Anonymous No.11787657]

>>11787649
>Why not prevent that situation from arising in the first place?
It's called screening. People who aren't mentally deficient don't suddenly get heefer madness because they like something you don't.

[Anonymous No.11787659]

the Dynetics lander is LOx-Methane
this enables some REAL BULLSHIT

[Anonymous No.11787661]

>>11787649
>I don't think that unlimited recreational VR is conducive to a mentally healthy society or crew
You are on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.11787668]

>>11787649
With regards to VR, I don’t think it’s as addictive as you think it is. It’s a gimmick at best. NASA uses it for training now I believe, but the people going to Mars aren’t going to be on VR chat all day like the slobs here on Earth. You think people will be on VR 24/7 when it will already be a struggle to keep ship systems in check for 6 months and survive the fucking desolate landscape of MARS?

[Anonymous No.11787672]

>>11787659
Let’s fucking gooooo. ISRU will hopefully be tested. I hope the astronauts refuel their lander on the surface and yell Fuck Boeing before blasting off back to Gateway

[Anonymous No.11787681]

>>11787672
nah m8, eight refuelings in LEO and you can send a Starship to NRHO with enough drop tanks and fuel to send the Dynetics lander back and forth multiple times
Dynetics is perfectly sized for do-nothing reconnaissance missions and crew rotations in light of Starship

[Anonymous No.11787686]

>>11787657
How do you propose screening people for propensity to technological addiction? References from friends and family?

>>11787668
Lol I doubt it would be vr chat. Let's say the first manned missions would be in 2026. The people getting sent early on I'm not really concerned about. It's when people start going over en masse that standards start to slip, and maybe for the sake of discussion that would be a decade later. Look at where VR capability was ten years ago. The speed of advancement wouldn't be linear so in another 16 years what do you envisage VR being capable of? Not a rhetorical question, I'm curious.

[Anonymous No.11787688]

>>11787681
Sounds good to me. It’ll be a good test for on-surface refueling. While I’m at it can I ask if anyone knows how in-situ refueling would be done? What are the chemical reactions? How do we get from Moon rocks/Mars rocks to liquid oxygen and liquid methane?

[Anonymous No.11787695]

>>11787688
>moon rocks -> methane
no fucking clue m8, we don't know where the moon's carbon is hiding. hydrogen and oxygen come out of the lunar ices
>mars rocks -> methane
Mars ice -> water -> hydrogen and oxygen
hydrogen + atmospheric carbon dioxide -> methane and oxygen

[Anonymous No.11787704]

>>11787686
>How do you propose screening people for propensity to technological addiction? References from friends and family?
I don't understand your constant obsession with peoples' private lives. If they're stable and functional and thus able to pass even a rudimentary screening/training course, clearly they aren't suffering from any serious addictive disorder.

[Anonymous No.11787709]

>>11787688
Depends what fuel cycle you use

Hydrogen is simple
>dig water ice up
>purify
>put in box and electrolyse H20 into H2 and 02
>separate and store

However Hydrogen is much, much harder to store and way harder on the equipment than Methane

>dig water ice up
>purify
>put in box and electrolyse H20 to H2 and O2
>separate and store O2
>Run H2 and compressed and purified CO2 from Martian atmosphere through box with platinum catalyst
>collect and store CH4

Methane on the moon is harder though because of no atmospheric CO2. You either take the hit on using hydrogen engines or figure out a source to exploit to make CO2, possibly some type of carbon deposits could be reacted in presence of O2, I'm not sure.

[Anonymous No.11787710]

>>11787709
is hydrogen cyanide a good fuel

[Anonymous No.11787715]

>>11787710
no

[Anonymous No.11787718]

>>11787704
You don't think Starship should have a shooting range and an open pharmacy and a bomb making station? Why are you obsessed with people's private lives?

It's called not being a naive retard who thinks that what people do alone can never have an impact on others.

[Anonymous No.11787719]

>>11787715
why not though?

[Anonymous No.11787721]

>>11787719
not as much hydrogen as methane

[Anonymous No.11787724]

>>11787718
if Mars doesn't have a shooting range I'm going to riot

[Anonymous No.11787727]

>>11787718
Wow you want to live in 1984

[Anonymous No.11787734]

>>11787718
>not keeping your shooting skills sharp in transit
a WELL TRAINED militia

[Anonymous No.11787737]

>>11787718
Are you joking or just gay

[Anonymous No.11787738]

>>11787695
>>11787709
Appreciate it. Very interesting stuff. The future is ISRU and methane engines

[Anonymous No.11787812]

>reinstall ksp
>20 minutes each time to launch game testing if mods are working now
KSP 2 WHEN AAAA

[Anonymous No.11787821]

>>11787812
>go to quit game
>wait 20 minutes while it attempts to close
>finally kill the unresponsive program in task manager
Literally every single time.

[Anonymous No.11787842]

>>11787812
I think they should fundamentally redesign the parts system for KSP2. Parts made sense when KSP was a janky side project but now they're just cumbersome to use. It also doesn't make any sense how they moved away from the cartoon style fuel tanks to a more realistic style, but the stacking and fuel distribution still doesn't make any sense. Like what the actual fuck is pic related, you're telling me that carries both liquid fuel and o2?
KSP 2 should be designed around procedural tanks, but of course it'll just be a reskin of KSP with a billion parts to sift through for every diameter.

[Anonymous No.11787861]

>>11787842
I really seriously hope they fundamentally absorb procedural parts into the base game, it's such a fucking great tool, and while I'm no modder or coder, surely it musn't be very difficult to implement. Same with tweakscale.

[Anonymous No.11787867]

New thread, migrate pls

>>11787864
>>11787864
>>11787864

[Anonymous No.11787871]

Lava tubes or surface dwelling?

[Anonymous No.11787872]

>>11785390
they're gonna still be drafting up plans for the New Behnken while SpaceX is selling regular flights to Mars on Expedia

[Anonymous No.11787873]

>>11787445
>It's only a matter of time before china says fuck it and quadruples the budget of their space program
Right now their is no profit in space beyond LEO, so China won’t go their. Besides most of their aerospace industry is based on making fighter planes.
>>11787575
>not getting super drunk with friends so that people are able to talk to each other without getting board
If their isn’t beer on Mars no one will go their.
>>11787686
>what do you envisage VR being capable of?
Simulating sex fantasies of that girl in high school that you were to shy to talk to, better vidya, stuff people use computers for today.
>>11787734
Can’t wait for Eylongrad to defeat New Beijing after the US Space Force sends in the firth Space Marine Division as a “peacekeeping force.” Martian wars will be interesting.

[Anonymous No.11787879]

>>11787867
>Page six
FUCKOFF

[Anonymous No.11787881]

>>11787867
>page 6
Fucking tourists

[Anonymous No.11787885]

remember to report new-thread makers

[Anonymous No.11787890]

>>11787871
Can't really do surface dwelling on a planet with no atmosphere or substantial magnetosphere. I mean you can technically have above ground structures but to ensure total protection from radiation, especially during solar flares, everything will likely be covered in at least a meter of either loose dirt or more likely some kind of cement. Perhaps PROOOOOOONTED plastic/rock composite which is very strong for it's weight, or stacked electrically baked brick.

[Anonymous No.11787891]

>>11787842
just give me ksp but with the part designing of children of a dead earth please fucking god
also give me children of a dead earth multiplayer PLEASE fucking god

[Anonymous No.11787894]

>>11787871
lava tubes are deathtraps, easier to make our own tunnels
>>11787873
Beer is too heavy, rum is where it's at

[Anonymous No.11787905]

>>11787894
I’ll have rum on my pirate starship

[Anonymous No.11787912]

>>11787905
it's simply more mass efficient

[Anonymous No.11787921]

What just happened to the other thread? I was in the middle of writing a comment

[Anonymous No.11787924]

>>11787921
mods removed it

[Anonymous No.11787926]

>>11787921
It appears to have been rightly eviscerated by the mods

[Anonymous No.11787925]

>>11787921
this one is only at page 6

[Anonymous No.11787927]

>>11787921
I think the autist actually reported it and the autistic jannies actually responded.

MODS = FAGS

[Anonymous No.11787929]

>>11787921
some autist mod deleted it for no reason despite this one being in freefall

imagine being like that

[Anonymous No.11787931]

>>11787921
mods nuked it

[Anonymous No.11787935]

>>11787921
GIGABASED mods nuked a fucking retard OP's thread which was posted while this one is still on goddamn page 6.

[Anonymous No.11787937]

>>11787929
Wait till page 9/10 to make new thread.

[Anonymous No.11787939]

>>11787921
The thread was probably made too soon. I think the unspoken rule is Page 9 at the earliest. Maybe page 7 if the old thread is dead.

[Anonymous No.11787942]

>>11787940

New thread bitches.

[Anonymous No.11787943]

>>11786943
Turbo encabulator.

[Anonymous No.11787946]

tfw you will never wander the ruins of an ancient civilization on a far away planet

[Anonymous No.11787949]

>>11787927
>jannies delete an early made general within minutes
>yet they allow for /x/tier space hoaxers to post freely

[Anonymous No.11787950]

>>11787871
Getting back to the topic/reposting. Surface/trench/hole dwelling because it's the more generalizable solution. Colonizing lava tubes restricts you to locales that may not be ideal, and will probably require bespoke solutions. Not a good long or even medium term colonization strategy. Tunneling too, but that will require more advanced infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.11787952]

>>11787946
>tfw will never wander the ruins of an ancient civilization after returning to the place of mankind's birth

[Anonymous No.11787955]

>>11787942
just don't link it so the autistic lurkers don't follow you and report it for le reasons

pic related is mods ignoring the schizo posting but harshly enforcing general thread limits instantly

[Anonymous No.11787958]

>>11787946
>>11787952
>you will never ruin a civilization and leave interesting ruins for some lizard people to find millions of years later

[Anonymous No.11787959]

>>11787955
>implying that the mods aren't the schizoposters themselves

[Anonymous No.11787964]

>>11787950
There are probably locations on mars with cave systems that would make great colonies once said solutions aren't prohibitively difficult

[Anonymous No.11787974]

>>11787959
Sometimes i wonder if we'll ever get to mars if the schizo trend continues. each year millions of normies fall for internet misinformation and become full blown flat earthers

[Anonymous No.11787985]

>Rewatching Wall-E
>The Buy N Large ships are called Starliners
>The BnL CEO during Earth's evacuation is named Shelby

How did they know?

[Anonymous No.11787991]

>>11787891
I could see CoaDE multiplayer being a thing where you get one turn, the enemy gets another turn, until you finally get into battle and it stops being turn based.

[Anonymous No.11787995]

>>11787985
Earth is actually the body of a God and it spoke of the future to Andrew Stanton

[Anonymous No.11788000]

>>11787974
I think the schizo trend will continue like how Atlantis theories are still a thing despite the entire Atlantic floor being mapped with no sign of such a city.

[Anonymous No.11788006]

Post your rate starship renders I need sustenance

[Anonymous No.11788011]

>Jannies clean up our new general because it's a bit early
>Meanwhile the catalog is filled with total junk tier threads

[Anonymous No.11788015]

>>11788006

[Anonymous No.11788017]

>>11788011
Why would the jannies delete their own threads?

[Anonymous No.11788018]

>>11788011
The only reason to start threads early is to bring in more of the general trash that makes those shit threads, though

[Anonymous No.11788021]

>>11787939
>Unspoken
We are constantly bashing newfags for making new fucking threads too fucking early. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if it is just blatant trolling.

[Anonymous No.11788022]

>>11788011
Only the good thread in seas of piss get attention.

[Anonymous No.11788025]

>>11788018
this is a good point. what is more important, however, is the fact the we know how quickly the mods can take care of shit. why the fuck are these electric universe flat earth people still around?

[Anonymous No.11788037]

>>11788018
Or if the thread is dead quiet for over an hour. Which isn't the case now, but it has been the case previously.

[Anonymous No.11788040]

>>11788037
Yeah the thread was quite for over an hour and as soon as a new thread gets created it immediately gets space-related posts, while this one gets flooded with people screaming about lurking and newfagging

[Anonymous No.11788041]

>>11787353
Only gigachads get to go to Mars anyway, which means they're going to be fucking tight pussy instead of fapping.

[Anonymous No.11788049]

>>11788011
>our new general
this general has been around for almost a year now. fuck off tourist

[Anonymous No.11788052]

>>11788041
Pussy will have to be rationed out. In the meantime, I M A G I N A T I O N

[Anonymous No.11788058]

>>11787688
On the Moon you just ship your return methane with the lander, and use oxygen byproduct from iron smelting processes to refill your O2 tank, which by the way is ~75% of the total propellant mass of a methalox rocket.

[Anonymous No.11788059]

>>11788011
it really annoys me how people posting huge lists of varg videos don't get banned

[Anonymous No.11788062]

>>11787950
>>11787894
I think above ground structures connected by tunnels are the best option. Underground is going to be tough living over time.

[Anonymous No.11788072]

>>11787949
At least it isn't anime

[Anonymous No.11788074]

>>11787709
>Methane on the moon is harder though because of no atmospheric CO2. You either take the hit on using hydrogen engines or figure out a source to exploit to make CO2, possibly some type of carbon deposits could be reacted in presence of O2, I'm not sure.
The Moon is close enough that with Starship refuelings only you can do a round trip. Therefore, complete propellant ISRU is not a require capability, like on Mars. What this means is, as long as you can make oxygen on the Moon (which is a basic enough process, and oxides are abundant everywhere), you can save 3/4ths of your propellant mass shipping requirement needed to get back (you only send methane). Due to the mission profile, all of the oxygen mass you now DON'T need to bring directly translates into an equal mass of additional payload. For Starship in particular, oxygen production on the Moon means the payload capability to the Moon's surface goes from ~100 tons up to ~300 tons.

[Anonymous No.11788075]

>>11788062
>Underground is going to be tough living over time
it's not like above ground structures are going to be much different. you still can't have much in the way of window exposure due to radiation problems

[Anonymous No.11788078]

>>11787871
Artificial lava tubes

[Anonymous No.11788084]

>>11788072
you realize that a solid 10% of all images posted in this thread are anime?
there, I just raised it above 10%

[Anonymous No.11788092]

>>11788052
Mars will be for gigachads and the tradwives they need for inseminating.

[Anonymous No.11788094]

>>11787891
>272kg/s decane NTR
Using that thing within 1000km of an oxygen-bearing atmosphere would be a war crime.

[Anonymous No.11788096]

>>11788074
>payload capability to the Moon's surface goes from ~100 tons up to ~300 tons.
Can't wait to see Moon SS nigger-rigged with strap-on payload bays.

[Anonymous No.11788100]

>>11787946
that's basically the USSR sadly
https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/g2710/amazing-photos-of-abandoned-soviet-infrastructure/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

[Anonymous No.11788103]

>>11788075
The difference is you can look out the windows you do have and you have better ways to get natural light. Besides transparent materials could still block radiation.

[Anonymous No.11788104]

>>11788094
decane is just gasoline, you know that right

[Anonymous No.11788109]

>>11785263
>same, shit should be banned
This, at least when I was coolerfagging (DBZ character for those who aren't autists like me), I was kinda trying to be funny and make a joke about how one rendition of that character was literally a humanoid version of starship.

[Anonymous No.11788118]

>>11788078
I don't buy the underground meme, its too utilitarian for the US. I think something like the ice house or regolith covered concepts. Maybe printed structures or prefabbed structures, idk but i don't see too much tunneling outside of transportation/storage use.

[Anonymous No.11788119]

>>11788118
>denounces crazy idea
>suggests even more ridiculous ideas instead

[Anonymous No.11788121]

Good thing NASA lurks on the /sfg/ threads and takes notes on all our bright ideas for building moonbases

[Anonymous No.11788124]

>>11788118
They will be choosing between staying crammed together but living inside shitty concept-art domes OR living in 2000 square foot apartments dug underground with sunlamp lighting and the ability to lock one's door.

[Anonymous No.11788125]

>>11788121
Musk definitely does.

[Anonymous No.11788128]

>>11788124
God forbid the locals try to break in once we get to the Moon
>>11788125
Dangerously based

[Anonymous No.11788134]

>>11788121
>NASA building moonbases
It'll be NASA labels on commercial equipment.
There's probably some SpaceX interns around.

[Anonymous No.11788137]

>>11788124
>>11788119
Why do you guys think an underground structure will be larger than an above ground one?

[Anonymous No.11788138]

>>11788124
>choose
Tunnelling basically produces its volume in excess building material. If you tunnel and don't also build above ground you're fucking retarded.
>tunnels are arbitrarily large
Yeah, that's why we all have basements the size of skyscrapers. It's just that easy.

[Anonymous No.11788148]

>>11788137
I'm not against criticism of the lava tubes meme, but at least suggest something competent. The 3d printing meme will be cancelled when actual launches begin. It's just a popsci trope. I personally support inflatable homes. They're practically bulletproof and can easily be buried to provide radiation shielding. And unlike the proont meme, Dr. Bigelow has delivered his dosages. https://www.youtube.com/user/BigelowAerospace/videos

[Anonymous No.11788149]

so when's Jeff Who going to get those Sides built

[Anonymous No.11788159]

>>11788149
whospace eternally btfo when SpaceX Interplanetary builds the first o'neill cylinder with martian resources

[Anonymous No.11788160]

>>11788134
That would be great if another company was created for mars/moon bases. Imagine a team of architects and engineers pushing concepts like spacex

[Anonymous No.11788165]

>>11788128
>the locals
Yes, when the other people living in the colony with you who you find irritating and/or want to fucking strangle won't leave you alone, you can go to your nice hobbit hole and lock the sound proof airtight door.

[Anonymous No.11788166]

>>11788159
>o'neill cylinder
Von Braun station.

[Anonymous No.11788170]

>>11788138
I didn't say tunnels I said underground. That is to say, you dig an open-sky pit, fabricate your habitat in the pit, and stack all the excavated material on top of the habitat to provide shielding.
The advantage is that it's all the benefits of living in tunnels except wastes the least effort and goes the fastest.

[Anonymous No.11788171]

>>11788138
>Yeah, that's why we all have basements the size of skyscrapers. It's just that easy.
You don't?

[Anonymous No.11788180]

>>11788148
Bigelow is basically finished and NASA is pushing the 3d printing tech. I don't think SpaceX will print but NASA for sure will because for them hashing out the tech is more important than success o

[Anonymous No.11788182]

>>11788166
Side

[Anonymous No.11788183]

>>11788148
Yeah, expandables or straight up inflatables are probably the easiest solution and will probably be the first used on the large scale. Hyper-expensive aluminum cans ala-ISS will never be deployed large-scale, they're far too inefficient. I'd go a sort of halfway point and make an inflatable balloon-like hab but with pseudo-rigid ribs that run through it to give it shape and rigidity once it's been pressurized. They could just be unfolding hollow aluminum tubes that snap together like tent spars. Super light, super easy to store, already very well understood from an engineering perspective, so easy anyone can build them with just a little practice.
If you want to keep it super simple you could even start with zip-airlocks.

[Anonymous No.11788184]

>>11788170
Oh, I misunderstood. I also prefer open pit or open trench structures.

[Anonymous No.11788185]

>>11788049
Reading comprehension retard.

[Anonymous No.11788188]

>>11788180
Efficiency* not success

[Anonymous No.11788189]

>>11788180
Didn't SNC buy the inflatables IP though? Also, NASA is pushing SLS, and that thing is practically just a "jaaahbs" program.

[Anonymous No.11788190]

>>11787480
UPDATE: Public Notice of Cameron County Order to Temporarily Close State Highway 4 and Boca Chica Beach
>Backup Date June 12, 2020 12:00 p.m. – 1:00 p.m. Closure Scheduled

[Anonymous No.11788196]

>>11788183
This. Even BEAM had a similar structure. Though the BA-330 did have a similar solution, by having the whole thing have metallic core running through it, housing the main computer and pressurization equipment.

[Anonymous No.11788197]

>>11788183
Carrying hab shielding all the way to the surface seems wasteful to me. Maybe for very very early pilot structures, but beyond that I would say compress local materials to make both structure and shielding. Then you only need simple bag-like inflatables to fill the space.

Alternatively, forego inflatables and bricks and just bend some stainless steel and dump shit on top of it.

[Anonymous No.11788201]

>>11788104
Yes, and NTR exhaust temperature gasoline hitting air explodes.

[Anonymous No.11788202]

besides, you've got to put Von Braun station on the Moon's surface

[Anonymous No.11788203]

>>11788184
Based and agreeing with me pilled

[Anonymous No.11788206]

>>11788201
not an issue, it'll mostly be free carbon and hydrogen at that point

[Anonymous No.11788208]

>>11788189
SNC had their own inflatable hab contemporary with the Bigelow habs.
It looks like a fucking scrote but one advantage it would have over the Bigelow habs is that by being much thinner in the wall it can pack to a much slimmer diameter. I think you'd need to add onto it afterward though to make it livable, a thicker layer of insulation and shielding.

[Anonymous No.11788214]

>>11788072
Reminder

[Anonymous No.11788216]

>>11788197
Steel sheets can be punctured by the shit being dumped on it. Remember, Mars doesn't have much of an atmosphere to smooth out its soil.

[Anonymous No.11788217]

>>11788201
>Mars colony is now self sufficient, huge operations of rockets take hundreds of thousands of people every synod
>Elon has his own ship in orbit "fist of god" ready to leave
>Waits for synod fleet to have left
>points ass end of gasoline NTR at the planet
>Fuck urf

[Anonymous No.11788219]

>>11788183
Thats where the printing meme becomes less of a meme, burying inflatables is smart but reinforcing the regolith with 3d printed ribbing is actually very smart.

[Anonymous No.11788220]

If you could fit an inflatable habitat with a diameter of, say, seven meters uninflated in the Starship payload bay, couldn’t you inflate it to be absolutely colossal?

[Anonymous No.11788223]

>>11788214
Reminder that mods support bait threads for ad revenue?

[Anonymous No.11788224]

>>11788214
truly we are living in the best timeline

[Anonymous No.11788226]

>>11788216
Won't be a problem with any decent thickness of steel, which you would need to hold up the weight anyway. Sharp regolith is abrasive, but not magic.

[Anonymous No.11788228]

>>11788208
I'd say a middle ground between the stupid thickness of Bigelow's design and the thin design of SNC would be idea. Can withstand more than what would actually be attacking the habs, but not insanely thick.
>>11788214
>mods are moefags
>my CHAD of /a/ posting gets bawleeted even though meta CHADler is basically the perfect humanization of starship
Why.

[Anonymous No.11788229]

>>11788220
You could probably get a 20m diameter habitat yes.

[Anonymous No.11788230]

>>11788197
Steel bending equipment is very large and baking bricks is very energy intensive (when you've got no conventional ovens and all your fuel has to be generated in situ) and you can't just let your waste heat drift away on the wind. In the very-near term sparred inflatables would be (in my estimation) the right combination of compact, cheap, and light while still giving you much larger workable internal volumes than you could ever get from tin can modules or even Starships. Consider that a Cargo moon starship could carry an inflatable module say 7m in diameter and 2/3s the length of it's payload bay, but if that module can expand to double it's initial diameter and length without collapsing (thanks to coming with a bundle of aluminum ribs) then once pressurized it could be 14m wide and probably something like 20-30m long.
>>11788219
To be honest I'm a bit of a PROOOOONTER myself, one of the primary reasons I advocate for pushing that tech into space is just to see if it can be forced into a state of maturity good enough to supersede older and more established methods of construction. Again though, specifically in the short term I'd advocate for ribbed inflatables, to establish large pressurized volumes fast, cheap, and easy.

[Anonymous No.11788231]

>>11788228
have you considered posting:
A. better anime
B. something other than the word "chad" repeated over and over
C. Gundam is not moe anime

[Anonymous No.11788236]

>>11788220
Yes but then the burying process would be very tough

[Anonymous No.11788242]

>>11788230
I like the idea of proooonting

However

It needs to be able to make large spaces solely from sintering sifted regolith, no additives, no fucking corn plastics or whatever, just regolith. It also needs to function as a solid building AND a pressure vessel, no shipments of pressure vessel required.

[Anonymous No.11788243]

>>11788236
Ehhh we can dig big holes it’s nothing new for us

[Anonymous No.11788247]

>>11788243
Don't summon the excavator spastic.

[Anonymous No.11788253]

>>11788229
Well then why not do that to replace the ISS? Launch a bigass inflatable habitat then some support segments for docking ports, radiators, and solar panels and whatnot

[Anonymous No.11788254]

>>11788247
anon we need excavators to feed our proonters

[Anonymous No.11788255]

>>11788230
>one of the primary reasons I advocate for pushing that tech into space is just to see if it can be forced into a state of maturity good enough to supersede older and more established methods of construction.
I agree and I think is the future of off world construction, we are already printing rocket engines and space helmets that are being used in irl applications. The printing competition was actually really valuable because it showed the potential of the materials and what ways the printing could be done. Sure its memey tech but the concepts are legitimate and if you put real R&D into it you will get much more legitimate and much less memey habits.

[Anonymous No.11788260]

>>11788254
I know but according to the buttplug shit poster you don't

[Anonymous No.11788261]

>>11788230
>baking bricks is very energy intensive (when you've got no conventional ovens and all your fuel has to be generated in situ)
Mars soil can be compressed into brick, straight, no baking.
Moon bricks would need to be baked. Less efficient, but still works, and solar is easier on the moon. You would need radiators, yes.
>Steel bending equipment is very large
Take a pre-shaped stack. One Starship's worth would probably get you the facility to hold that equipment.
>very-near term
Like I said, I could see conventional inflatables used for the very first structures. This is after you have a pilot base up to work from.

[Anonymous No.11788262]

>>11788253
Cause we don’t have starship yet. Imho future space stations should be built with inflatable modules, with an exoskeleton built around the outside for extra thermal control and micrometeroid protection. I have an idea, i’ll draw it out later but I’ll probably post it in the next thread

[Anonymous No.11788263]

>>11788230
Tbh I don't know why I was so rabid about the proonting. I guess it's because it was basically a plebbit concept? Some popsci shit? I mean, I once though inflatables were fucking stupid, but Dr. Bigelow delivered and changed my mind. Maybe a different private company can actually make PROONTing work?
>>11788231
Well, I would post TF: Armada, but that one doesn't get memed nearly as much as the gigachads of /a/'s source. And besides, do you have a character that PERFECTLY encapsulates the design process of Starship?
Meta Cooler, at least his race, is undoubtedly the basis of the future starship waifu coomers will get off too.
>any damage is immediately fixed by the control center and any flaws that could cause said damage are corrected
>tons and tons of copies are made
>explodes upon death
>is SUPER shiny
>>11788253
Bigelow Aerospace was basically killed.
>>11788255
Yeah, but for safety, I suggest printing over an inflatable. Will basically provide an exoskeleton for the hab.

[Anonymous No.11788264]

>>11788243
We haven't in low g, there are problems that could arise.
>>11788247
He is worse than the proonters by far

[Anonymous No.11788268]

>>11788260
I don't know what the anti-proonting fag and the anti-excavator fag have up their butts but they should get that looked at
proonters reduce the mass you need to bring from Earth by letting you create pressure vessels in-situ
excavators enable that to scale without additional shipments from earth

[Anonymous No.11788269]

>>11788262
Inflatable habitats are already more resistant towards impacts than the tin cans, but more is always better.

[Anonymous No.11788272]

>>11788263
>Yeah, but for safety, I suggest printing over an inflatable. Will basically provide an exoskeleton for the hab.
I'm sure it will happen but i think they would be stupid not to test a print only hab

[Anonymous No.11788273]

>>11788264
>We haven't in low g, there are problems that could arise.

...No? It’d be even easier because you need less energy to move stuff up and away.

[Anonymous No.11788274]

>>11788269
I keep hearing this but idk my brain can’t accept it. Tbh I’d be kinda anxious living in an inflatable habitat, but it does have benefits. Don’t the ISS tin cans come with a shield that eviscerates micrometerites- how could something inflatable habs be better at protection?

[Anonymous No.11788276]

>>11788263
A. proonting is good
B. well first off, Starship is not some noncanon b movie villain, Starship is the hero of this story
also yes please post more Optimus Prime
c. Bigelow Aerospace committed suicide, fuck Bob
>proonting AND inflatamemes at the same time
D. I hate you so much

[Anonymous No.11788277]

>>11788264
>spreading FUD about a fucking bucket
This is why I hate proonters.

[Anonymous No.11788278]

>>11788264
>massively over engineered digging robot has 3,009 hydraulic lines that have to be carefully monitored by over 500 unique sensors (for the contractors of course)
>doesn't deploy digging arm correctly because they forgot to shield some electric component adequately against dust kicked up by the lander

[Anonymous No.11788282]

>>11788274
you can inflate the shield too
inflate everything

[Anonymous No.11788283]

>>11788282
Based and balloonpilled

[Anonymous No.11788285]

>>11788278
I'm sure CAT has some recommendations about shielding a lunar excavator for you
they make shit for working men

[Anonymous No.11788286]

>>11788274
>I keep hearing this but idk my brain can’t accept it.
It's mostly because tin cans are fucking garbage.
A standard inflatable would not be acceptable as a long term surface base. It's just to get your foot in the door.

[Anonymous No.11788287]

>>11788282
>inflatable printers

[Anonymous No.11788288]

>>11788072
Cope

[Anonymous No.11788291]

Look now you cunts have fucking summoned him

[Anonymous No.11788293]

>>11788288
me irl

[Anonymous No.11788294]

>>11788276
Of course starship isn't a noncanon movie villain, but it, or at least its design process shares the traits that made said villain fucking awesome.
>>11788282
this

[Anonymous No.11788297]

>>11788285
If I remember correctly, CAT attended a private meeting with SpaceX a few years back.

[Anonymous No.11788300]

>>11788236
You could put together something like a mini-bagger, solar-electric powered. Mount it on a conventional scoop excavator frame modified as needed for vacuum operation. Fold it up as much as it can be folded and simply chuck it to the Moon on a Starship.
Consider something like a CAT 307.5, it's only ten tons and only requires 55 horsepower to operate here in 1G. You would swap out all of the hydraulics for high torque brushless electric motors and you could easily run it from a Tesla car battery. Normally it can dig down to 15 feet or only about 4 meters, double the length of the arm and it can dig down up to 8 meters, and with the high torque of a brushless motor driven excavator I'd imagine it could easily cast lunar soil far outside of the dig. This would very neatly let you bury 16m diameter habs exactly halfway into the Lunar surface, cover them with meters thick shells of Lunar dirt and have plenty left over for other uses (like say baking into solid slabs for a permanent landing site)
>>11788263
I can understand being put off by ledditors and popsci fags fawning over something, but you shouldn't let what they like dictate what you hate. They coom over fusion power too, but I also want it to be advanced as soon as possible in spite of having little in common with them.

[Anonymous No.11788301]

>>11788294
A. Cooler is not awesome
B. thank you
>>11788297
probably talking about the designs that NASA commissioned and such
they've absolutely got a lock on this if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly

[Anonymous No.11788309]

>>11788300
>solar electric
have a solar panel on it for kicks and emergency power but make it plug-in electric powered

[Anonymous No.11788308]

>>11788285
>CAT and SpaceX joint projects result in this being real
Can't wait.

[Anonymous No.11788317]

>>11788300
oh, and I forgot: you need to heavily ballast anything working in low gravity in order to achieve the same speed as on the Earth's surface

[Anonymous No.11788319]

>>11788301
>Cooler is not awesome
>>11788317
I do imagine a bunch of martian boulders could do the job. Remember, CAT's consumer base is men who think with simple solutions, just have trays that could have rocks and stuff stored for weight purposes.

[Anonymous No.11788323]

>>11788261
>Take a pre-shaped stack. One Starship's worth would probably get you the facility to hold that equipment.
This is my issue with 3D printing for structures, you can make have far better quality control on Earth and flatpack it down to negligible size. Modern construction methods are fine and there's no need for unique shapes. The individual parts for a normal house fit into a tiny space, it's a solution without a problem.
Print emergency repair parts and various novel items not thought needed before. Leave habs alone with that shit, it's way too risky in the beginning.

[Anonymous No.11788324]

>>11788319
>CAT's consumer base is men who think with simple solutions, just have trays that could have rocks and stuff stored for weight purposes.
Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTuTGGTMzqk

[Anonymous No.11788325]

>>11788263
>it was basically a plebbit concept? Some popsci shit
it isn't though, the dragon escape engines are 3d printed, their flight suit helmets are 3d printed, rocketlabs engines for their electron rockets are 3d printed. NASA and the ESA are looking into the tech for space construction. We will need some form of printer there either way because of the versatility, there will be s lot of little shit that would be a pain to construct without it. Sure the concepts are popsci level but the printing itself isn't.

[Anonymous No.11788326]

>>11788319
yes to both of your points
Cooler is, in fact, cringe
the only Cool thing that Cooler ever did was in the abridged series version of the movie where he said "at least I'll always be... Cooler"
and I've always been an advocate for ISRU ballast for all vehicles, especially cranes

[Anonymous No.11788328]

>>11788309
Yeah, that's what I meant to say. You'd have a bank of battery packs hooked up to a little radiator fin (to keep them cool as they cycle) and a solar panel field, the excavator would return to it regularly to top off it's own internal powerpack. Some parts of it could be made lighter, like the arm and excavators, I'd probably do them out of Alite (magnesium/aluminum alloy, very cheap, very very light, stronger than normal aluminum and pretty heat tolerant and easy to work with), while parts of the body normally made of aluminum could be done in steel instead, both to reduce cost and to help counterbalance what would be (on Earth) a cartoonishly elongated tool arm.

[Anonymous No.11788331]

>>11788325
I suppose. It's probably the whole new age artfagging that'd fit a glade product better that gets me. And as >>11788323 said, proonting habitats entirely is basically a "if it aint broke don't fix it" situation.

[Anonymous No.11788332]

>>11788317
RIP all my rovers that exploded on the Mun because I went 30kmh over a one foot bump

[Anonymous No.11788338]

fun fact: the abridged series Cooler movie got me laid
>>11788328
>make it out of aluminum/magnesium wonder metal
fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in on, oldspace shill
make it out of steel so that honest men can work on it and commonality with existing earth infrastructure
>>11788332
the fast wheels have enough suspension travel to survive ridiculous jumps if you have the reaction wheels necessary to control your attitude

[Anonymous No.11788339]

>>11788331
I didn't like the artsy inside of the AIspacefactory habs either, however that can easily be optimized by autists who are more interested in actually getting as much bang for your plastic as possible, rather than making it look """unique""". I'm impressed by the basalt/polymer shell and how exceptionally durable it objectively proved itself to be during the torture test. People also complain about how you'd have to bring the plastic component at least, however I have to ask, if we're still going to be anal retentive about weight and payloads, what's the point of Starship? Starships can easily carry the PROOONTING rover body and probably multiple tanks of both component materials.
That might not be as efficient in the long term, but it's miles better than setting up corn farms on fucking MARS before you even have habs, and using piddly little drone rovers to dig up a few kilos of basalt dust at a time.

[Anonymous No.11788342]

>>11788338
Alite is far superior to the lithium/aluminum alloy used in a lot of current aerospace shit. The whole purpose of it is to be cheap and easy to manufacture with.

[Anonymous No.11788349]

>>11788342
it is as soft as your asscheeks bitch boy
fight me, Erebus Montes, five sols from now

[Anonymous No.11788355]

>>11788339
Because you still want as much bang for buck as possible on every starship because your window is once every two years. This means only sending equipment that exclusively utilises martian materials, initial settlers live in starships for a few more months.

[Anonymous No.11788360]

>>11788355
Why not send a fleet of Starships? Prepare many of them in LEO, five, ten, a dozen, as many as you need to immediately set up a large operation. Sacrifice autismal levels of efficiency for accelerated productivity.

[Anonymous No.11788361]

Why does aluminium not have a fatigue limit like steel? Material science is always cucking us out of cool shit.

[Anonymous No.11788366]

Mars launch window so close starfrens.
Wondering if it's going to be China or UAE going first.
UAE going July 14th

[Anonymous No.11788371]

>>11788366
China will RUD on the pad.

[Anonymous No.11788377]

>>11788360
If you were wanting to do that then bringing starships full of plastic is the last thing you would do. Starships still act as a perfectly useable base.

[Anonymous No.11788384]

>>11788371
Truth

[Anonymous No.11788392]

>>11788331
>>11788323
Fair but you don't want to rely on earth for long, that is why you want to get this tech to maturity. If you can figure out printing to a level of precision that leaves little error then you can build on mars sustainability without the need for a large amount of manpower. Doing it right away is a good way to start ironing out the kinks, with a starship you have the capacity to bring a few different methods to the planet.

[Anonymous No.11788401]

>>11788361
Materials science is a slow steady march, getting something from a lab to actual production isn't easy. Basically all the funding and talent goes into battery tech now too.
t. Nanoscience fag
>>11788371
Eh the 3B has a 95% success rate doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.11788403]

>>11788401
yeah, I'm currently predicting an aeroentry failure for this one

[Anonymous No.11788408]

>>11788371
what is the problem with chinese rockets? poor design or bad quality control?

[Anonymous No.11788411]

>>11788408
Both plus typical Chinese engineering shenanigans.

[Anonymous No.11788422]

>>11788339
The problem is you don't want it to be too utilitarian. Thats why the artsy shit is that inner shell, i disagree with the design but you don't want the ISS type of internal structure because you will be living there for a longer period of time.

[Anonymous No.11788425]

>>11788422
ISS internal structure has a place and time and it is not in your sleeping quarters, yes
lab facilities will always look like that, however

[Anonymous No.11788428]

>>11788422
What’s the optimal interior and the optimal exterior? I’m interested in your idea anon

[Anonymous No.11788429]

>>11788422
Oh yeah, I mean it would definitely need a pleasant aesthetic, I just don't think the AISF design was the right one, it was far too "modern art", to the point where there appeared to be a lot of wasted space, not something you want in a habitat no matter what aesthetic you go with.

[Anonymous No.11788441]

>>11788355
>>11788377
The good thing about that design is it didn't take much of that material to make. Also remember it is a pitched concept, I'm sure the material scientists at NASA or elsewhere could find a similar material that they could make on mars with less required shipping.

[Anonymous No.11788458]

>>11788429
Yeah you definitely want as much space as possible
>>11788428
I honestly don't know yet, something probably bright and textured. Psychological design needs to be researched.
>>11788425
>lab facilities will always look like that, however
Yes but you will want Your habs and your labs separate on mars.

[Anonymous No.11788461]

>muh low gravity effects oh no muh chilluns what about the jellybabyarinos

Reminder that a Gee train is a simple concept that bypasses all this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11788463]

>>11788458
>I honestly don't know yet, something probably bright and textured
Bright pink and pulsating. You're trapped in a giant monster's stomach and there's no breathable air outside.

[Anonymous No.11788469]

>>11788441
Its fucking plastic mate, PLA, good luck finding that on Mars. You could make it at great energy expense with an existing industrial base I guess lmao.

[Anonymous No.11788470]

>>11788463
>Inside Jabu Jabu’s Belly

[Anonymous No.11788476]

>>11788428
Not him, but am I wrong? A minimum of sharp hard edges, blocky enough to be solid without looking oppressive like the inside of a factory or office, off-white walls and surfaces let color coded vital stuff stand out without being harsh like the Iphone aesthetic that Dragon 2 Crew Boogaloo has. Relatively gentle slightly yellow lighting reminiscent of natural daylight, hopefully it will help foster a healthy sleep schedule as opposed to harsh blue/white light which would tend to keep people awake too long. Have the lighting start off dim and very orange in the morning and afternoon and ramp up to "full" for midday, it will help the crew have a sense of time even if they're not doing EVAs and are stuck inside most of the time.
Plenty of utility too, squared off and blocky internal surfaces can include many cabinets, closets, lockers and other storage spaces.

[Anonymous No.11788480]

>>11788463
Dangerously based design work

[Anonymous No.11788483]

>>11788476
>off-white walls

Mcmansionfags stay on earth, real chads will use a wood veneer finish.

[Anonymous No.11788484]

>>11788260
mars plug shitposter here, the conversation in this thread is all i ever wanted. Open discussion about the future of mars infrastructure. Thanks anons.

[Anonymous No.11788492]

>>11788483
I don’t think they saw the need to add wood veneer to a tugboat with a crew that sleeps nearly 24/7.

[Anonymous No.11788494]

>>11788469
>PLA, good luck finding that on Mars.
Yeah, seriously, they can barely reach Earth orbit.

[Anonymous No.11788495]

>>11788458
Bright colors tend to be stressful or at least stimulating, if the walls are going to be colorful they should be de-saturated so they aren't too garish. Pale blue, green, or beige, I'd lean towards blue or green or bluegreen since the colonists would see precious little of it everywhere else on Mars.
>>11788483
I talked about that in a previous thread actually, I thought it would be a good idea to have at least faux wood with a slightly rough tactile texture, since until large scale greenhouses start producing the first trees, import wood is all the colonists will have to feel and live around for probably at least a good score of years.

[Anonymous No.11788497]

>>11788476
I'm not sure if i would like soft edges, it almost makes me feel claustrophobic. Our houses on earth are all sharp edges and hard surfaces

[Anonymous No.11788504]

>>11788470
I hated that level so much.

[Anonymous No.11788508]

>>11788476
I would prefer harder edges. It would remind me of “normal” houses back on Earth. I would love to see something 2001-ish

[Anonymous No.11788512]

>>11788495
i guess i mean light, colors that increase the level of natural light would be good. I think you are right on blues and greens, beige would be suicide level of depression i think.

[Anonymous No.11788523]

>>11788469
>Its fucking plastic mate
So use your plastic waste in the printers, they made it out of corn, also plastic beads wouldn't take up that much payload space.

[Anonymous No.11788524]

>>11788461
it is known, thank you anon

[Anonymous No.11788527]

>>11788497
Yeah, it's not optimal for space conservation either obviously, since curves take up more room. I'd still prefer it over hard edges, just for a change of pace. You aren't wrong though, making it look as much like a normal home as possible might be the desirable path to go down.

[Anonymous No.11788532]

>>11788484
I still can't get the justification for the shape in this mockup? It seems like such a massive waste of material. Why not make it as spherical as possible? Is it radiation thing?
A geodesic dome is both stronger while needing far less material.

[Anonymous No.11788533]

>>11788495
>faux wood
Maybe for the floors, you don't want brown all over when your entire landscape is reddish brown, you'll feel trapped.

[Anonymous No.11788535]

>>11788527
No don't make it a 2.4m ceiling off white box fucking reeeeeeeee

New planet

New architecture

[Anonymous No.11788541]

>>11788535
2.2m ceiling lightgreen box please

[Anonymous No.11788543]

>>11788533
Yeah, I was thinking mostly for trim, surfaces you'd be putting your hands on a lot.

[Anonymous No.11788547]

>>11788533
>all wood is brown

[Anonymous No.11788552]

>>11788541
ENOUGH

[Anonymous No.11788559]

>>11788532
>A geodesic dome is both stronger while needing far less material.
No its not stronger, they picked this design for the strength and it held up in the torture test over the second best design.
>https://youtu.be/axnuLepJufs
Here it is at 1:45 being tested. Its unironically very effective.

[Anonymous No.11788564]

>>11788547
>posts light brown wood.

[Anonymous No.11788567]

>>11788552
>2m even light beige box with Iphone-looking interfaces with cheap harsh white LED lighting.
Yes, I'd like the "first suicide within a week of landing" package please.

[Anonymous No.11788576]

>>11788567
how about this:
you obviously live in a 4.4m tube that's been sectioned off into nearly square rooms and hallways with slightly curving outer edges
there's either storage space or service infrastructure in the floor and ceiling
the airlock is a sphincter
you live in an anus

[Anonymous No.11788577]

>>11788559
Why does this keep getting posted it looks like a fucking turd floating down the sewer.

[Anonymous No.11788578]

>>11788567
My sides are on a soyuz

[Anonymous No.11788583]

>>11788494
>your space program doesn't drop hypergolics on villagers
ngmi

[Anonymous No.11788586]

A
FUCKING
TRIANGLE
https://twitter.com/eROSITA_SRG/status/1260512194065772546
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.11788587]

>>11788583
Contemplate the hypergolic aroma.
Yes, quite lung scorching my dear.

[Anonymous No.11788594]

>>11788577
because its the most recent thing we have on the subject, a lot of mars habitat models were pitched and these 2 were tested irl, it gave us a lot of info and made printing look very credible.

[Anonymous No.11788607]

>>11788594
Please define “cre•di•ble”
A group of dorks 3D printing a scale model with NASA grant money at their local university doesn’t count

[Anonymous No.11788613]

>>11788607
Please read the material and watch the concepts/competition before commenting.

[Anonymous No.11788621]

>>11788586
ughhh what

[Anonymous No.11788624]

>>11788621
I DON'T KNOW BUT THERE'S A TRIANGLE AND IT'S IN SPACE

[Anonymous No.11788644]

>>11788586
>>11788621
>>11788624
newfags can't triforce

[Anonymous No.11788646]

>>11788644
I CAN'T BELIEVE /b/ WAS THE ALIENS ALL ALONG

[Anonymous No.11788660]

THIS JUST IN! The Department of Energy has delivered plutonium to the 2020 Plutonium hog! That's right, a mission that will experience significant insolation will use a good deal of NASA's precious plutonium! Rather than going to a dark sunless crater, lava tube, or the outer solar system it's going to a dirty inner planet.
https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/nuclear-power-system-delivered-florida-nasa-s-perseverance-rover

[Anonymous No.11788666]

>>11788660
This wouldn't be a problem if we built more breeder reactors.

[Anonymous No.11788669]

>>11788660
why don't they purify and process their plutonium?
they act like they can't filter out the decay products to improve the watts/kg and once made a set of plutonium is fated to eternally become lower and lower quality

[Anonymous No.11788673]

>>11788644
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[Anonymous No.11788677]

>>11788669
>why don't they purify and process their plutonium?
>and then put it on rockets
Probably because that's indistinguishable from a nuclear weapons development program. Arms reduction treaties are the biggest gay.

[Anonymous No.11788679]

>>11788677
>indistinguishable from a nuclear weapons program
you don't need to centrifuge it, you can do chemical removals
that type of plutonium isn't even fissionable

[Anonymous No.11788693]

>>11788230
>Steel bending equipment is very large
Not for the thicknesses you need for a 2 bar max internal pressure.

[Anonymous No.11788701]

>>11788317
just attach baskets onto your vehicles and fill them with sand

[Anonymous No.11788703]

>>11788701
yes thank you that is the third time that solution has been mentioned and I mostly agree with it
making pig iron bars out of regolith is also acceptable

[Anonymous No.11788707]

>>11788701
>not PROONTING molten basalt slabs

[Anonymous No.11788710]

I've got the new thread this time

[Anonymous No.11788714]

>>11788564
He could have at least posted bloodwood or purple heartwood

[Anonymous No.11788719]

>>11788660
Damn, I kinda don't care.

[Anonymous No.11788723]

>>11788677
>Pu-238
>nuclear weapon's fuel
Stop posting, go to wikipedia right now, and read every article about fission and fissile isotopes, anon.

[Anonymous No.11788728]

>>11788703
Don't waste your easy iron (I assume you mean melting meteorites picked up off of the ground) on ballast, you're not trying to set any records for density. Use that shit for better purposes, like casting big machine parts (surprisingly not as difficult as one may think, as long as you overbuild and your part only needs to meet decent tolerances in a couple of areas).

[Anonymous No.11788733]

>>11788707
Takes so much energy and time. Why scoop a specific type of mineral into the hopper of a printer to be melted and extruded and cooled when you can just scoop whatever's closest to your landing site into a box?

[Anonymous No.11788734]

>>11788727
>>11788727
>>11788727
>>11788727
I made a new thread

>>11788728
regolith is a good part high quality iron ore (hematite and such)

[Anonymous No.11788737]

>>11788728
>don't need to set any density records
I assume you haven't seen how large crane counterweights are, then
you absolutely need your counterweights to be as dense as possible, but you won't need to get much better than compressed regolith for quite a while

[Anonymous No.11788778]

>>11788737
I was under the impression we were talking about Earthmovers here, meaning vehicles that on Earth are already plenty heavy for what they do, but on Mars or the Moon could use the extra weight.

[Anonymous No.11788808]

>>11788778
let's take this up in the next thread

[Anonymous No.11788814]

>>11788808
I'm already there

[Anonymous No.11788842]

>>11788577
Because it was approved by NASA and its creators got 500k$ price for the design.

[Anonymous No.11788994]

>>11787162
I won't.

[Anonymous No.11789221]

>>11787890
> no temporary magnetosphere space weather umbrella
amateurs

[Anonymous No.11789289]

>>11788006