/sfg/ Space Flight General

[Anonymous No.11782245]

EVA Edition

Previously: >>11779749

Rocket launch schedule: https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

Starlink launch on June 12th if everything goes well

[Anonymous No.11782252]

First in for based Martian tunnels

[Anonymous No.11782257]

>>11782245
>https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/
>9th Starlink launch is called Starlink 8
Why?

[Anonymous No.11782259]

>>11782245
>Starlink launch on June 12th if everything goes well
L-2 weather report says 20% chance of scrub, so probably going to plan. It's hardly a crewed launch.

[Anonymous No.11782263]

>>11782257
Because first one was just production design models, not finalized.

[Anonymous No.11782264]

>>11782252
>tfw we discover Alien civilization deep inside the Martian caverns

[Anonymous No.11782268]

>>11782257
you remember that first Starlink launch? that was pre-production test models and they're being actively deorbited right now

[Anonymous No.11782276]

>>11782264
>Fuck off! We're full!

[Anonymous No.11782277]

>>11782268
They didn't even have Ka band antennas.

[Anonymous No.11782301]

Remember, NASA has confirmed that the next moon landing will be a woman.

[Anonymous No.11782305]

>>11782301
we're going to need breeders for the lunar ethnostate anon

[Anonymous No.11782306]

>>11782301
That's all political maneuvering to protect Artemis from the next Democrat president.

[Anonymous No.11782312]

>>11782301
And?

[Anonymous No.11782314]

>>11782301
Who cares? All these "firsts" will be a bad memory when starships are carrying 50 people there and back.

[Anonymous No.11782316]

Where can I watch the launch of theLong March 2C on March 24, 2020 03:40 UTC?

[Anonymous No.11782322]

>>11782316
have you tried in the village downrange
you might even get to touch a spent booster when it lands on you

[Anonymous No.11782323]

>>11782301
Yeah, they need "diversity" in order to secure funding, it's [CURRENT YEAR], after all.

[Anonymous No.11782325]

>>11782306
they actually don't care for that shit
they'll find a "higher cause" and nix artemis anyway

[Anonymous No.11782326]

>Tesla is now the most valuable car company in the world
The absolute madman did it

[Anonymous No.11782327]

>>11782301
I'm pretty sure they will send men as well, so whatever.

[Anonymous No.11782330]

>>11782322
I just want to watch every party and how they differ from each others. And live just makes it more exciting.

[Anonymous No.11782334]

>>11782326
I wonder if that has do with Elon fighting to keep the factories open during the shutdown.

[Anonymous No.11782342]

>>11782326
inb4 the next "Elon Musk actually isn't very smart" thread on /sci/
>What has he actually done?
>SpaceX is just a billionaire's pet project!
>He just hires other smart people to do everything for him
the amount of cope is staggering and anyone still doubting him or starship at this point is just grasping at straws.

[Anonymous No.11782343]

>>11782257
>not starting with zero

[Open AI neural net music, lyri(...) No.11782346]

>>11782257
v0.9 doesn't count for launch sequence

[Anonymous No.11782352]

>>11782342
Elon is really really really good at finding very smart people and making them work very hard. He's got some other talents, like being able to stick his nose into an engineering decision and not totally muck it up which I believe is related to the first ability.

[Anonymous No.11782353]

>>11782342
>He just hires other smart people to do everything for him
I don't understand how this is a criticism. Literally every leader does this.

[Anonymous No.11782379]

So, /sci/, do you have the magic power to free yourself of this curse called gravity?

[Anonymous No.11782390]

>>11782276
Is that a watership down reference?

[Anonymous No.11782399]

aerial flyover of Boca Chica published today
https://youtu.be/T7OWV_xMIew
>>11782390
no it's a rabbits with guns reference

[Anonymous No.11782403]

>>11782390
It's a hop reference.

[Anonymous No.11782413]

>>11782268
Neat, I didn't know.

[Anonymous No.11782421]

what ever happened to all the boomers at boca chica who refused to take the money and leave? are they getting their eardrums blown randomly by prototype failures?

[Anonymous No.11782429]

>>11782301
anon, it's not because a woman is fat that you get to call her a moon.

[Anonymous No.11782438]

>>11782342
These are the same people who see steve jobs as some kind of tech god and never heard about the term entrepreneur.

[Anonymous No.11782442]

>>11782421
all houses are sold, some of them still live there until they have their affairs in order.

[Anonymous No.11782446]

>>11782399
as can be seen, there are four distinct areas in the launch site
1. the tank farm area, which holds all the water, liquid nitrogen, liquid oxygen and liquid methane
2. Starship launch test site, which is divided from the tank farm by a big berm and contains a big flat concrete pad with pilings for holding the GSE and launch stand for the Starship testing
3. Starship landing pad. It is connected to the launch site by a big dirt ramp, and is currently being used as a parking lot.
4. Orbital launch pad. This is under construction and is separated from the others, but will have the massive flame diverter needed to handle the 30+ raptors of Super Heavy.
>>11782421
all the permanent residents sold, there are at least two people leasing their own houses back from SpaceX for super cheap (which is where the cool pictures come from)

[Anonymous No.11782455]

>>11782442
there are still some seasonal residents who haven't sold but they don't live there
there's also some undeveloped property that hasn't been assimilated yet

[Open AI neural net music, lyri(...) No.11782482]

>>11782342
>inb4 the next "Elon Musk actually isn't very smart" thread on /sci/
This is /sci/, not r*ddit. We don't welcome delusional socialists or delusional l*btards or c*nservatards

[Anonymous No.11782488]

>>11782482
take your name off and also fuck off

[Open AI neural net music, lyri(...) No.11782490]

>>11782352
>He's got some other talents, like being able to stick his nose into an engineering decision and not totally muck it up
Elon doesn't see it that way, he sees it the opposite. Everything is already mucked up. There are million things that can go wrong and only 1 where it can go right. The job he has isn't to make everything right, its to make it less wrong than the day before.

[Anonymous No.11782491]

>>11782488
Just filter all namefags on sight.

[Anonymous No.11782539]

>>11782353
>>He just hires other smart people to do everything for him
>I don't understand how this is a criticism. Literally every leader does this.
Right, a bunch of geniuses without direction won't get shit done. In fact they might be less productive than a similar size group of more average people because intelligent people tend to come with massive egos.

[Anonymous No.11782552]

>>11782539
>Right, a bunch of geniuses without direction won't get shit done.
Exhibit A: The state of the space industry in the dark ages between Apollo and SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.11782574]

JWST March 2021 launch date just got scrubbed.

[Anonymous No.11782594]

>>11782574
As unsurprising as it would be, I don't see a source.

[Anonymous No.11782595]

>>11782574
>Project was doing well before the pandemic. But we will not launch in March 2021; not in the cards now. Will do a schedule assessment next month, and optimistic it will get off the pad some time in ’21.
never ever

[Anonymous No.11782613]

>>11782326
I love this man for making me believe in the future again, unironically.

[Anonymous No.11782617]

>>11782595
how do they expect to fly with their souls weighed down by gravity

[Anonymous No.11782622]

>>11782574
Oh no, that's so tragic. I had no idea that this could happen. aaaaa

Seriously, why hasn't this project been given the whip yet?

[Anonymous No.11782623]

>>11782574
is this shocking? we need mass produced space observation arrays now

[Anonymous No.11782637]

We really ought to work out building gen IV fission reactors that can burn up most of their waste and breed more fuel for any Martian colony.
Dust storms last for months and any form of storage for solar energy is not practical on a large scale nor can it last long enough for the storms that roll out

[Anonymous No.11782652]

>>11782637
>any form of storage for solar energy is not practical on a large scale
The vast majority of the time, almost all of the energy from the solar panels is going into producing methane. When the dust storms go beyond your battery reserves you cut IRSU and start running the methane through fuel cell backups. Done. Next.

[Anonymous No.11782658]

>>11782637
You could simply use the methane stores as fuel in generators, but more redundancy is always good, so wind should also be used

[Anonymous No.11782666]

>>11782652
this is going to be the solution to power for the first mars colonies / bases. In the long run, we'll probably see nuclear plants, but this could take decades or centuries to happen. Not to mention the fact that next gen fusion is still a long way off unless there is a major breakthrough soon.

[Anonymous No.11782691]

>>11782652
>>11782666
whatever happened to the kilopower thing nasa showed off years ago?

[Anonymous No.11782692]

>>11782666
The point is that solar power is sufficient to get us to the intermediate stage, in the long term we should be refining nuclear material on Mars for reactors, NTRs, and hopefully Orions. We just can't move forward if we refuse to accept the good enough solution and instead pray for the nuclear god to save us.

[Anonymous No.11782697]

>>11782613
This
But it also makes my life feel very mundane now and I'm sad that all I can do is watch from the sidelines as the first zoomers set foot on Mars

[Anonymous No.11782698]

>>11782594
Go find Zurbuchen's comments from SSB ASEB Spring board meeting. It'll show up in space news sites soon.

[Anonymous No.11782699]

>>11782691
Kilopower works, but who knows when NASA is going to let it fly, if ever

[Anonymous No.11782703]

>>11782699
why wont they let it fly?
its touted purpose is to replace rtg on space missions

[Anonymous No.11782705]

>>11782697
You can still have an enjoyable life. Marry and make babies who may themselves ascend to the heavens

[Anonymous No.11782714]

>>11782703
I'm aware of the purpose of the program. That's not a commitment, it's an aspiration. There are no launch dates for kilo testbeds.

[Anonymous No.11782715]

>>11782403
That reminds me.
HOP WHEN?
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[Anonymous No.11782735]

>>11782705
I wish I could somehow contribute tho. Guess I'll do my part by not fucking up this planet as best I can and inspiring my kids to become little explorers

[Anonymous No.11782740]

>>11782735
Even something as simple as explaining a news story about space some normie might've seen to them helps, the more people understand the better.

[Anonymous No.11782753]

>>11782735
>>11782740
Go to local star-parties/buy a telescope and show stuff like the to people walking by. Got an 8in dob I lug out to the pool of my building every now and then and show people the moon and planets. They eat it up

[Anonymous No.11782757]

>>11782252
Nah 3d printed habs will be better.

[Anonymous No.11782803]

>>11782482
Elon is smart, but he didn't develop the Falcon 9 on his own in his backyard. His team did. This "plucky genius billionaire" meme is Marvel Reddit fanfiction and has no place in /sci/.

[Anonymous No.11782808]

>>11782666
Checked and what is the probability of cold fusion, compact fusion generators that can fit on a spaceship, or fusion power in general? I know ITER plans on going online soon but I think they are just going to run it like, one time. We need a new Einstein to have a breakthrough... but it seems this generation is too focused on virtue signaling and telling you how your idea of biological sex and science is making you a white nationalist

[Anonymous No.11782813]

>>11782803
His team didn't do it on their own either. The raw materials were already made on earth through billions of years of geoprocessing. If anyone made Falcon 9, its actually the Russians. Since they're the ones that pushed him to start the company in the first place. Russians deserve the credit first and foremost. Not him, not the earth, not his team, not America, not even God.

[Anonymous No.11782816]

>>11782803
Elon Musk is more than a genius. He is a messianic divine being; the most important man, if I dare disgrace him by calling him a mere man, to ever live. To exist at the same time as him is the greatest blessing I could ever ask for.

[Anonymous No.11782823]

>>11782803
>>11782813
>>11782816
You are all wrong! The real reason as to why spaceX even EXISTS is the grace of our great AMERICAN Senators (peace be upon them). In particular Richard C. Shelby.

[Anonymous No.11782826]

>>11782808
>but it seems this generation is too focused on virtue signaling and telling you how your idea of biological sex and science is making you a white nationalist
I don't think you pay attention to the right things. there is tons of innovation going on, but it takes time. fusion won't be viable for decades, but there are nuclear options for spaceflight already feasible. it's not that we need another einstein either. the complexity of fusion is much greater than previous power generation methods, so of course it'll take much longer to figure it out. this is the same problem we see in modern robotics, AI, medicine, etc. the more complex technology gets, the higher the cost to innovate further

[Anonymous No.11782834]

>>11782823
The first orbital depot will be named Shelby Station.

[Anonymous No.11782840]

>>11782834
piss depot

[Anonymous No.11782841]

When are we expected to breach the symbolic 1000 dollars / kg. threshold? What's the current pricing like?

[Anonymous No.11782846]

>>11782840
Strategic frozen piss stockpile.

[Anonymous No.11782857]

>>11782803
>Elon is smart, but he didn't develop the Falcon 9 on his own in his backyard. His team did. This "plucky genius billionaire" meme is Marvel Reddit fanfiction and has no place in /sci/.
Anybody who knows anything at all about spaceflight doesn't credit Elon for all of SpaceX's accomplishments, they credit him for hiring the right people, creating the right environment, providing the right direction, and securing the funding to allow SpaceX to accomplish what it has.

No he didn't create Falcon 9 or Dragon or anything else with his own hands but he's important anyway, because without Elon there would be no SpaceX and the fate of spaceflight would be riding on the backs of ULA and newspace turtle Blue Origin, delaying progress by a 10-20 years at minimum.

[Anonymous No.11782859]

>>11782658
Wind power also has no risks on Mars. I mean, are there any birds on mars?

[Anonymous No.11782864]

This kills the proonter.

[Anonymous No.11782866]

>>11782841
F9 is ~$2200/ kg
FH is ~$1400/ kg

Starship is going to be in the low 100s

[Anonymous No.11782868]

>>11782840
>>11782846
>Piss depot deorbits and crashes, creating a giant frozen piss forest

[Anonymous No.11782870]

>>11782857
He's also made and contributed to the designs of various concepts, like Starship. There's a reason he's the lead engineer and not the CEO.

[Anonymous No.11782872]

>>11782857
There is some weird le eben billionaire worship here, which is basically copy pasted right from reddit. It is cringe even if it's not what the hivemind agrees with here.

[Anonymous No.11782877]

>>11782574
no way
I'm shocked beyond believe

[Anonymous No.11782883]

>Venus has an atmosphere 100 times thicker than Earth's
>Mars's atmosphere is 1% as thick as our own
Hmm...

[Anonymous No.11782894]

>>11782872
>which is basically copy pasted right from reddit
There are whole subreddits devoted to hating Elon Musk, it's almost like any major group will have a diverse set of opinions, what a concept.

[Anonymous No.11782896]

Reminder that SNC will make inflatables the standard on Mars.

[Anonymous No.11782903]

>>11782574
I hope it blows up on the launch pad

[Anonymous No.11782910]

>>11782868
>frozen pissball kinetic weapon
Devastates the target and leaves it soaked in piss.

[Anonymous No.11782912]

>>11782859
the wind on mars is extremely weak

[Anonymous No.11782913]

>>11782866
Starship is going to be below 50

[Anonymous No.11782914]

>>11782910
https://youtu.be/M3OAx8EFtz8

[Anonymous No.11782920]

>>11782491
>namefags
Go back to r*ddit

[Anonymous No.11782931]

>>11782864
Not at all

[Anonymous No.11782935]

>>11782866
What happens when environmentalists get word that increased space launches will contribute significantly to air pollution? I worry that real high volume space flight may never occur if this becomes a political issue at some point

[Anonymous No.11782938]

>>11782894
>There are whole subreddits devoted to hating Elon Musk

Really? Why?

[Anonymous No.11782941]

>>11782931
Printers will be better for fabricating habs remotely before humans get there. Otherwise they can use starships or inflatable habs at first. Imagine the printer goes for two years making room for a few dozen long term occupants in the time between the first manned missions.

[Anonymous No.11782944]

>>11782912
Not during the dust storms, during which solar is nonviable

[Anonymous No.11782947]

>>11782931
>shows a fucking cgi art piece not even tested
>other guy shows a real module that was field tested
>Not at all.
Okay print fag

[Anonymous No.11782954]

>>11782938
Cause he stood against the meme virus and told cali to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11782955]

>>11782935
>What happens when environmentalists get word that increased space launches will contribute significantly to air pollution?

It won’t.

[Anonymous No.11782956]

>>11782944
The martian atmosphere is so thin that those dust storms aren’t going to blow anything around. Maybe some super light special material could get some power out if it, but for the most part those winds aren’t strong enough to feel. The Martian regality is extremely light fine particles compared to earth dust/sand.

[Anonymous No.11782962]

>>11782938
It's a cliché but there are people who are really just resentful of the success of others and have a fox and the grapes type syndrome about it. There are a lot of contrarians out there as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/

[Anonymous No.11782965]

>>11782954
That’s just run-of-the-mill liberal crying as I expected

[Anonymous No.11782969]

>>11782941
Yeah and they can use them when they are there too. But you are right inflatables will be good too, which will probably use a print shell design to protect them and they can bury those first 2 starships. You will probably see a few designs built at once. I think they will use printed habs above ground for living quarters and tunneled structures for operations/work buildings.

[Anonymous No.11782979]

>>11782935
>What happens when environmentalists get word that increased space launches will contribute significantly to air pollution? I worry that real high volume space flight may never occur if this becomes a political issue at some point
Commercial jets and ocean tankers are many times more polluting than a rocket industry with several tens or hundreds of flights per day. Also, if SpaceX starts using ISRU on earth to extract its fuel from the atmosphere, its Starship launches become carbon neutral, making even ICE vehicles bigger polluters.

[Anonymous No.11782982]

>>11782808
>We need a new Einstein to have a breakthrough
this is /sci/ in 2020... physicists deserve the rope.

[Anonymous No.11782986]

>>11782947
>piece not even tested
It has been tested brainlet

[Anonymous No.11782991]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfhD48n2sB0

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.11782994]

>>11782935
Drop tungsten rods on environmentalists if they protest.

[Anonymous No.11782999]

>>11782991
what is this magical new monoprop

[Anonymous No.11783002]

>>11782991
I, too, can make a 3d model
let's see if they actually go through with it

[Anonymous No.11783005]

>>11782999
Gamer fuel.

[Anonymous No.11783006]

>>11782962
I lost so many braincells reading some of the posts there right now. How can people be so fucking sad?

[Anonymous No.11783009]

>>11782999
Lmao WHAT, why go through the trouble of modeling something like this and presenting it, only to be like “oh yeah it also runs on a magical non-existent fuel. It’s just one of the kinks to work out!”

[Anonymous No.11783010]

>>11783006
The best is
>I hope Starship fails and isn’t profitable

[Anonymous No.11783012]

>>11782894
>it's almost like
Stopped reading there, type like a man you fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.11783013]

>>11783009
What's weirder is that the commercial mentions using the Prometheus engine.

[Anonymous No.11783015]

>>11782912
You're weak

[Anonymous No.11783016]

>>11782999
>>11783009
Perfect for siphoning government money.

[Anonymous No.11783017]

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/gyz899/spacex_ends_up_taking_away_jobs_and_hurting_the/
>SpaceX has literally created its own economy, similar to what walmart does when it moves into town. They've lowered costs so much that its difficult to compete.

[Anonymous No.11783021]

>>11783013
Yeah I know... like wtf?! The French are so arrogant but I fucking love them. For their sake I hope they (I guess ESA as a whole) do come up with something viable that can “compete” with Starship in a friendly way. The Ariane rocket lineage has been very successful, a completely reusable variant would be very fun for more payload delivery

[Anonymous No.11783025]

>>11782986
In the field?

[Anonymous No.11783026]

>>11783017

[Anonymous No.11783031]

>>11782991
I'll believe it when it's on the pad

[Anonymous No.11783034]

>>11782962
I can't imagine a more pathetic existence then spending time and effort hoping other people fail. What a horrible attitude towards life.

[Anonymous No.11783036]

>>11783012
It's almost like I put my kid gloves on so you wouldn't get upset about being wrong, yet you still got upset anyway and resorted to a fallacious argument. This will be your last (you).

[Anonymous No.11783038]

>>11783021
>Yeah I know... like wtf?! The French are so arrogant but I fucking love them.
I think it had less to do with French arrogance and more to do with a bad translation and misunderstanding of technical details.

>For their sake I hope they (I guess ESA as a whole) do come up with something viable that can “compete” with Starship in a friendly way. The Ariane rocket lineage has been very successful, a completely reusable variant would be very fun for more payload delivery
It would probably end up being "Falcon But Better", but honestly that's better than Ariane pretending that reusable rockets aren't a thing, or worse be like Russia which claims to be developing reusable rockets longer than SpaceX yet criticizes the economics of reusable rockets.

[Anonymous No.11783041]

>>11783017

[Anonymous No.11783044]

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/
Literally nobody on this subreddit knows anything about spaceflight lmao

[Anonymous No.11783045]

>>11783025
Yep

[Anonymous No.11783047]

>>11782991
pretty cool concept, it's always good to see more companies pursue reusable rockets

obviously a falcon clone but at this point the more falcon clones there are the better

[Anonymous No.11783051]

>>11783041
what in the fuck are they trying to say?

[Anonymous No.11783057]

>>11783051
I think this man believes he caught Elon in a “gotcha!” moment, but like, this is exactly what Elon does? They think they’re critiquing capitalism in a smart way but this is why SpaceX is viable lmao

[Anonymous No.11783058]

>>11783044
if they did they wouldn't have the dumb conception that space exploration is in any way capitalist. What business model do they think makes landing on the moon profitable to the predatory capitalist? Let alone Mars. This endeavor is exactly 0% capital driven and they're just willfully ignorant.

[Anonymous No.11783059]

>>11783044
Nice to know I'm not missing anything at least.

[Anonymous No.11783061]

>>11783017
He's running away all the mom and pop spaceship companies!

[Anonymous No.11783065]

>>11783058
>What business model do they think makes landing on the moon profitable to the predatory capitalist?

Getting payed to put stuff there by other people?

[Anonymous No.11783067]

>>11783013
why is it weird?

[Anonymous No.11783069]

>>11783051
>Don't forget that governments (who are capitalist-bought) funds them (SpaceX) to do exactly that (dominate economically to the point of effective monopoly). Then they (either SpaceX or SpaceX fans) blame NASA for the fact that their (NASA) Congress-designed rocket doesn't work on time (because it's contractors have effective monopoly).
I tried my best.

[Anonymous No.11783072]

>>11783017
(And that's a good thing)

[Anonymous No.11783077]

>>11783067
Prometheus is a methalox engine, which doesn't have an Isp of 450s nor is it a monopropellant engine.

[Anonymous No.11783080]

>>11783044
>NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BECOME SUCCESSFUL GET THE FUCK BACK IN THE CRAB BUCKET STOP TAKING TAX DOLLARS AND DELIVER A SUCCESSFUL PRODUCT FOR FAR LESS THAN THE COMPETITION!
Saltiest bunch of jealous cunts I've seen in a long time.

[Anonymous No.11783083]

>>11783067
It would be like taking a Raptor engine or an RS-25 shuttle engine- or any engine for that matter, and being like “oh we’re using a monopropellant now!”
You can’t just switch fuels like that. Engines are designed for the fuel they consume

[Anonymous No.11783085]

>>11783044
Why do you think that "I don't understand this reusable rockets meme" meme came from comments made there?

[Anonymous No.11783095]

>>11783045
sure

[Anonymous No.11783096]

>>11783069
Thank you, that was unreadable. Still bullshit but at least i know what they are trying to say.

[Anonymous No.11783097]

>>11783065
The market for putting stuff there exists only if the will to put stuff there exists and that will must be entirely humanitarian, nationalist or scientific. There's nothing capitalist about it.

[Anonymous No.11783098]

>>11782623
This.

Lets say conservatively that Starship can launch a telescope with a single element primary mirror with a 7 meter diameter.
Lets very pessimistically estimate Starship's real world launch cost at $50 million.
Let's assume SpaceX is the one that sells NASA on the telescope design, and SpaceX builds it in-house with lessons learned from Falcon 9, Starship, and Starlink fabrication efforts.
Let's assume even then that a single one of these telescopes costs about $50 million. I'll also say for simplicity's sake that these SpaceX telescopes are launched with enough propellant to push themselves out to the same Lagrange point JWST is gonna use, which should be very doable given that Starship will launch between 100 and 150 tons to LEO and the telescope shouldn't mass more than 30 tons dry.

Anyway, each telescope comes with a total price tag of ~$100 million. Since JWST has cost upwards of $10,000 million at this point, that means for the same price tag we could instead have a literal fleet of 100 space telescopes that each have a primary mirror ~125% the size and all the same far infrared observation capabilities as JWST.
That's a total of 125 times the data collection rate, all with higher resolution and/or shorter observation times required. This is obviously a vastly more capable science tool, before you even consider the possibility of using the entire array at once as a single virtual telescope for observing nearby exoplanets directly via interferometry.

They are LITERALLY ROBBING YOU of your money and DELAYING great discoveries in space in order to support the JWST program.
It's not going to work anyway, too many single points of failure, so really they're taking >10 billion dollars to deliver nothing at all.
The future is not densely packed folding mirror folding sunshield telescopes, it is mass produced arrays of cheaply-launched static mirror telescopes.

[Anonymous No.11783100]

>>11782691
NASA slow, kilopower hasn't gone anywhere yet.

[Anonymous No.11783102]

>>11783017
That was incoherent enough to make me read the post, and I still don't understand what their argument is other than "mars man bad"
> there's little room for diversity because other places just won't be able to survive against the richest man in the world and Muskrat Emerald Mine boy.
Yes, the colourful tapestry of ULA, Boeing, Lockheed, and Northrup Grumman.

[Anonymous No.11783106]

>>11782808
It has nothing to do with fusion being a hard problem to think about. It has everything to do with fusion being a physically difficult, unfavorable process.

[Anonymous No.11783116]

>>11783025
Does the shuttle btfo of starship just because starship is emerging tech?

[Anonymous No.11783118]

>>11783077
>>11783083
pretty sure 450 ISP monopropelant is just for RCS and has nothing to do with Prometheus whatsoever
where did you even get that impression?
I vaguely remember reading something about better "green" monopropellent thrusters few months back but can't find it
I think they are referring to that

[Anonymous No.11783125]

Is this doofy ass spacesuit really revolutionary or is it just euro larp?

[Anonymous No.11783129]

>>11782866
>Starship is going to be in the low 100s
Starship being above $100/kg is a pessimistic estimate. Elon's current target is about $13.34/kg.
That's $2,000,000 divided by 150,000 kg.
If Starship was 15x more expensive than they are targeting, it would still only be $200/kg. That beats optimistic estimates for Sea Dragon, by the way.

[Anonymous No.11783134]

>>11783106
I know, I think the “breakthrough” would have something to do with Muon production to catalyze the reaction, or simply containing the plasma. Fusion is a relatively simple process to understand- it’s harnessing this power and getting more output power than input power which is holding us back. I was just wondering how far off we are from positive energy output on a reasonable scale to make it a viable source of energy.
While I’m at it I should also ask why we aren’t doing R&D on Thorium Reactors... are are those just a meme

[Anonymous No.11783141]

>>11783118
>where did you even get that impression?
The wording of that tweet in >>11782999 is abit confusing. It sounds like the vehicle uses the monopropellant as the primary fuel.

>I vaguely remember reading something about better "green" monopropellent thrusters few months back but can't find it
>I think they are referring to that
Could be, but I'm fairly sure that there are no chemical monopropellants with 450s of specific impulse.

[Anonymous No.11783145]

>>11783129
2m is marginal cost to operate. He'll probably charge ~40M or so

That gives us ~$367/kg

[Anonymous No.11783148]

>>11783017
I wonder who even are those people. They seem to have no knowledge of space industry at all, they just spread bs and hate on a person. What even is their motive? All I can think of is salty tsla shorts.

[Anonymous No.11783151]

>>11782935
>What happens when environmentalists get word that increased space launches will contribute significantly to air pollution?
Offworld Deporations

[Anonymous No.11783154]

>>11782999
this unironically looks like a good start on a suborbital testbed for vertical landing and first stage control

[Anonymous No.11783156]

>>11783145
I’m worried Starship will cost too much to manufacture, and Elon won’t even be able to charge $2 mil even if he wanted to. I hope he can build it as efficiently as possible and charge whatever he wants. It just has to be cheaper than other heavy launch vehicles and everyone will go with him

[Anonymous No.11783161]

>>11783125
Is that duct tape on the wrist? What's going on with those shoulder-sleeve things? And why is the helmet so goddamned big, is there a second smaller helmet underneath?

[Anonymous No.11783162]

>>11783044
>SpaceX is bad because they sell stuff to the government
real genius hours

[Anonymous No.11783165]

>>11782999
>450s Isp monoprop
nigga that's oxygen sponge mixed with liquid hydrogen, step the fuck back

[Anonymous No.11783166]

>>11783156
the first starships will have a lot of problems, but things will be improved over time to the point where by 2030 the newer Starships will be much more efficient

[Anonymous No.11783167]

>>11783156
>I’m worried Starship will cost too much to manufacture

The engines are probably the most expensive part and they’re way, way cheaper than, say, an RS-25

[Anonymous No.11783174]

>>11783162
>state owned companies such as NASA
Unless there's some odd definition of a civilian agency that I'm not aware of, I'm pretty sure NASA isn't a company.

[Anonymous No.11783180]

>>11783161
Probably a test for resealing. The rest however is euro autism

[Anonymous No.11783182]

>>11783156
Again, $2m is estimated marginal cost to operate for SpaceX. They will charge 10-20x the marginal rate. $20M-$40M.

Marginal costs can increase to 4M and it would not affect too much in final price for their customers.

[Anonymous No.11783187]

>>11783167
>The engines are probably the most expensive part and they’re way, way cheaper than, say, an RS-25
And they'll only get cheaper to manufacture with the numbers that will be getting pumped out. Once things get rolling they'll be making more raptors than they currently are Merlins.

[Anonymous No.11783196]

>>11783167
True, RS-25’s are a meme of retardation. Especially on SLS. Cryogenic Hydrogen for a first stage that isn’t even going to space? And is expendable?? Also each engine costs a fuckload. What where they thinking

[Anonymous No.11783197]

>>11783167
Reminder that an RS-25 costs almost as much as a single Falcon 9 launch.

[Anonymous No.11783198]

>>11782574

[Anonymous No.11783205]

>>11782574
NASA is dead to me

[Anonymous No.11783207]

>>11783197
RS-25 cost $146M each. It cost as much as 3 Falcon 9s.

[Anonymous No.11783209]

>>11783196
>contractor's reaction when

[Anonymous No.11783211]

>>11783118
450s ISP is hydrolox in a vacuum tier, and they say they can get this at sea level with a monopropellant

[Anonymous No.11783215]

>>11783207
Oh shit, you're right. I was using the refurbishment costs for the RS-25s by mistake.

[Anonymous No.11783219]

What do you guys think about the mars ice house concept?

[Anonymous No.11783220]

>>11783118
If we had a monopropellant that got 450 Isp and wasn't hydrolox, we would be using that for main engines. There is no reason why we wouldn't, and every reason why we would. 450 Isp at methalox bulk density would offer insane performance, shitting on both methalox and hydrolox for different reasons.

Of course we would still be using reusable TSTO instead of SSTO, because a dense 450 Isp monopropellant still offers >10x the payload to orbit if you use staging, it just makes every part of the two-stage recoverable vehicle easier to develop into a usable form.

[Anonymous No.11783223]

>>11782962
You'd be surprised but people actually define themselves by what they oppose
You can get someone to argue something completely opposite if you insult them then tell them you hold their current position

[Anonymous No.11783224]

>>11783207
What the absolute fuck. SLS is listed with its lowest cost to be $500 million. Yet the four ENGINES ALONE on the first stage would already bring us to $584 million in manufacturing costs. What a pile of shit

[Anonymous No.11783225]

>>11783219
>ice house
build me an ice safari park and then we'll talk
I want alligators on Mars, people

[Anonymous No.11783226]

raptor update by Musk
>Hundreds of improvements in manufacturability primarily (this is by far the hardest problem), mass down, thrust up, Isp up. Current improvement list continues past SN50. As the saying goes, it’s 1% inspiration & 99% perspiration …

[Anonymous No.11783229]

>>11783220
>If we had a monopropellant that got 450 Isp and wasn't hydrolox, we would be using that for main engines

Could be toxic as /b/

[Anonymous No.11783231]

>>11783207
Which is almost the price of an expendable FH (150 mil). One meme engine vs 63 tons to orbit. Ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.11783235]

>>11783211
>>11783220
could be some kind of ion thruster
>There is no reason why we wouldn't
low thrust is a big one

[Anonymous No.11783237]

>>11783224
SLS cost is low balled by SLS fanboys to hide the real cost. The minimum cost will be atleast $1,5-2B dollars without any R/D cost added.

[Anonymous No.11783241]

>>11783207
Wait, isn't three Falcon 9s in expendable mode enough to heft anything SLS can into LEO?

[Anonymous No.11783242]

>>11783134
Better superconductors invented decades after we started building ITER would let us build Q>5 reactors on a scale roughly one twentieth the volume of ITER, ie for much cheaper and easier. Problem is that the ITER project has a lot of inertia at this point so they aren't just going to cancel it and pivot to building with modern magnet technology.

>why we aren’t doing R&D on Thorium Reactors
R&D is being done on breeders, and on molten salts in reactors, and on the thorium cycle as we speak. It's simply happening slower than if we devoted all of our time and resources to it, and there isn't much public awareness of it (on purpose, because thorium is still subject to the 'nuclear bad' meme perpetuated by retard boomers and fossil fuel companies).

[Anonymous No.11783246]

>>11783223
there are far leftists who also believe that the material conditions for socialism/anarchism/communism etc won't appear until space is colonized.

I'm an anarchist but i love spaceflight so I simp for Elon.

[Anonymous No.11783248]

>>11783224
I recall reading somewhere that Aeroject Rocketdyne was looking for ways to reduce costs by 30%. I'm not sure if that's before or after the $146M figure, but if it's after then the four engines would ONLY cost $408M in total. Leaving a little less than a $100M for everything else.

I have a feeling some Hollywood accounting is happening with SLS.

[Anonymous No.11783253]

>>11783061
Kek

[Anonymous No.11783255]

>>11783246
the anarchocorporatist hellhole that will be Mars is going to be very exciting

[Anonymous No.11783256]

>>11783226
Wonder how much potential there is for improvement in Raptor. Surely it doesn't have the kind of growth potential Merlin did but every extra bit of performance they can wring out of SS is massive

[Anonymous No.11783262]

>>11783044
lmao

[Anonymous No.11783264]

>>11783255
>When communists exist, breaking the NAP so you strap a thousand Starships to Phobos and accelerate it into a collision course with Earth.

[Anonymous No.11783265]

>>11783226
Tweetstorm here

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1270798719651155968

[Anonymous No.11783275]

>>11783145
>2m is marginal cost to operate. He'll probably charge ~40M
Charging 20x more than marginal costs is pretty retarded. Granted it would make sense to do so if his goal was to make as much money as possible, but that's not his goal.
SpaceX will probably introduce Starship as available for ~$40 million per launch just to make back some of the funds invested into developing the vehicle, but that cost per launch will drop off precipitously after not many launches. I could also see Tanker flights immediately going for an additional $5 million each, so if you wanted to send something on a trajectory that needed three Tanker launches you'd pay $55 million instead of $120 million.
As things start to happen on the Moon and on Mars and in deep space, SpaceX will lower the price per launch of Starship in order to encourage the further acceleration of activities in space.

[Anonymous No.11783276]

>>11783255
ancaps will be sent to the airlock.

[Anonymous No.11783281]

>>11783276
of course, all men must serve the corporation, working for your own benefit is grounds for firing

[Anonymous No.11783285]

>>11783246
Everyone acts like the political system defines the scarcity but I like to think if it's technology that defines scarcity and the political system is arbitrary on top of that
In theory there are unlimited amounts of everything in the solar system, but the distances and therefore time between everything is huge. So it's a totally different ball game that no one has really played before.

[Anonymous No.11783291]

>>11783275
>Charging 20x more than marginal costs is pretty retarded
Not really. Transportation industry's avg marginal cost : pricing is ~ 10x fuel cost. This is fuel + operational cost, so we get 20x. But you're likely going the right direction. They'll probably start ~40M and lower it down to 30M for 10+ reflights and 20M for 20+ reflights.

[Anonymous No.11783292]

>>11783044
never mind, this is the best one

[Anonymous No.11783294]

>>11783276
>I'm sorry Anon, access to airlock controls is revoked until work efficiency improves by 28%

[Anonymous No.11783297]

>>11783044
No one knows anything except how to SEETHE over there.

[Anonymous No.11783301]

>>11783166
>by 2030 the newer Starships will be much more efficient
Nigga at current pace they'd have built close to 100 of the things, and they won't be sticking to current pace for a decade.
I don't think you realize that what they're really developing right now is the method to build Starship, not exactly Starship itself. At some point they're gong to have found the optimum manufacturing process and will build an actual factory with much better jigs and machines and will have everything streamlined and fine tuned. The pace of Starship construction will accelerate massively, and lest we forget they will very quickly be able to reuse these things and fly them over an over to get more experience and data.
By 2025 Starship will be very well optimized, will have a massive flight record, will look beautiful and will be at the very least capable of launching dozens of thousands of tons of material into Earth orbit per year. It's really happening, anon.

[Anonymous No.11783303]

>>11783292
the virgin new glenn
the CHAD Glenn Shotwell

[Anonymous No.11783305]

>>11783292
>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1270798719651155968
Downvoting a fact (correcting her name). That's why plebbit is such a shithole.

[Anonymous No.11783306]

>>11783017
>a whole subreddit with nearly 50k members dedicated to talking shit about Elon Musk
Fucking strange. Is there an actual reason to hate Musk like this? As far as rich people come he has to be one of the more interesting and likable ones so hating him just because he has money doesn't seem like the answer.

[Anonymous No.11783308]

>>11782913
That would be the low 100s, yes.

[Anonymous No.11783310]

>>11783306
There's also RealTesla. Its all part of a network tied with TSLAQ.

[Anonymous No.11783312]

>>11783294
>2045
>work at 110% efficiency at Amazon Origin factory
>New Glenn still not completed

[Anonymous No.11783314]

>>11782301
One of these astrothots, to be exact.

[Anonymous No.11783316]

>>11783301
>I don't think you realize that what they're really developing right now is the method to build Starship, not exactly Starship itself.
It's more the other way around. They are developing some manufacturing as they go but it's largely short term to enable faster prototyping, none of it likely to meet final production standards. Per Elon's own admission they are doing the easy part right now and the hard part will be developing line production.

[Anonymous No.11783318]

>>11782994
>>11783151
based

[Anonymous No.11783321]

>>11783314
The black woman in the back is my vote. She’s a geologist

[Anonymous No.11783322]

>>11783314
it better not end up being 0-2.

[Anonymous No.11783327]

>>11783224
They'd probably spend $500 billion per SLS launch, in terms of pad refurb and ground ops and so forth. Basically, if you ignore the cost of the actual rocket, SLS only costs $500 million to launch.

[Anonymous No.11783330]

>>11782991
>Ultimate Aryan

[Anonymous No.11783333]

>>11783306
Anti-capitalist dreamers, jealousy, general vacuum brain cuckoldry

[Anonymous No.11783334]

>>11783314
>the men's faces

[Anonymous No.11783348]

>>11783314
look at Big Jim there
look at how fucking Big he is

[Anonymous No.11783349]

>>11782969
The printer could actually provide cover for the inflatables.

[Anonymous No.11783350]

>>11783306
There are legitimate reasons not to like Elon such as his antics or how abrasive he can be or the fact that he's anti-union (if you're pro-union). Some people probably take that to the extreme to hate on him because outrage culture.

[Anonymous No.11783360]

>>11783350
That’s exactly what it is. These are the same people that were probably part of his fan club, but as soon as he tweets something like “open America!” their simple brains shortcircuit and they want to cancel him

[Anonymous No.11783361]

>>11783256
There's loads of room for improvement because they've been massively downrated from what they were initially proposed as.

[Anonymous No.11783364]

>>11783350
>I hate someone I've never met because of how they act
>Don't judge me tho, or my family or my friends

>anti-union
Unions can be good or bad. Bad for business as they want to operate on tight margins. Good for employees who want to slack off and never be fired for anything.

[Anonymous No.11783365]

>>11783314
Rolling for first token black woman on the moon.

[Anonymous No.11783368]

>>11783350
>or the fact that he's anti-union (if you're pro-union).
I looked at that sub and not once has anyone mentioned unions. Those people are motivated by a hatred of change and progress. It’s pure pessimism politics.

[Anonymous No.11783373]

>>11783229
Honestly it wouldn't matter, Chine would be using it for launch stages and forcing the hands of militaries around the world to match capability.

>>11783235
>it could be some kind of ion thruster
No it couldn't, it's physically impossible to get thrust to weight ratio that high out of anything electric. It's impractical to get close to chemical engine TWR using nuclear thermal, for christ's sake.
>low thrust is a big one
First off that's a far bigger problem for ion thrusters than for monoprop thrusters.
Second, real life monoprop engines only have low thrust because we don't bother using them for anything except very small and simple reaction control thrusters, and the reason for that is because all monopropellants have very low theoretical maximum specific impulse capability. If there were a stable monopropellant that didn't want to detonate with every static electric shock and produced 450 Isp (near sea level no less), we would have large turbopump driven engines using that propellant because it would be the best option in existence.

[Anonymous No.11783376]

>>11783292
Why are you scrounging through rando subreddits looking for something to get mad about?

[Anonymous No.11783377]

>>11783368
>I looked at that sub and not once has anyone mentioned unions.
Bruh. https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/fsicy7/omigahd_hes_soooo_cool_his_workers_arent_allowed/

[Anonymous No.11783383]

>>11783348
*gives you this look*
>Femanon, it's time to deliver.
Wat do?

[Anonymous No.11783391]

>>11783116
I mean Starship is undergoing testing and prototyping while the 3d printed buildings hasn't been tested outside of some community outreach project.

[Anonymous No.11783393]

>>11783376
why are you scrounging through a chinese kerbal space program fourm trying to find something to get mad about?

[Anonymous No.11783395]

>>11783383
You make damn well sure you bring him back a good rock from the Moon to please him

[Anonymous No.11783396]

Revisiting the trees issue from last thread, you're going to want something that's multifunctional. Oaks take to long to grow. I want some stronk maples because they grow like weeds and can get some delicious maple syrup from them. Fruit trees are vital too.

[Anonymous No.11783403]

>>11783393
That's pretty insulting to chinese imo. Even chinese aren't such brainlets.

[Anonymous No.11783405]

>>11783376
They're looking for something to laugh at, not got made at.

[Anonymous No.11783407]

>>11783396
Wonder if bamboo groves can grow on Mars.

[Anonymous No.11783408]

>>11783291
Eventually Starship will get to the point that they won't be reducing launch prices after X number of reflights, they'll be confident enough in the vehicle that even the maiden launch of Starship will be as cheap as the 100th reflight because they'll only be lost in freak accidents (see Airliners as an example of what I mean, when a company buys a new jet they don't charge a million dollars per seat to make their money back on the first flight).

[Anonymous No.11783411]

>>11783395
Woah is she one of the Artemis astronauts?
>>11783396
Based barkposter

[Anonymous No.11783414]

>>11783383
I-I'm g-gonna LAUUUUUUUUUUUUNCH

[Anonymous No.11783415]

>>11783393
Why are you shitting up the thread with offtopic reddit garbage? You should stay there

[Anonymous No.11783419]

>>11783396
What kind of trees can grow in high mountain areas? That way one could save on structure costs by having the orchid be lower pressure.

[Anonymous No.11783421]

>>11783361
Downrating would mean the engines actually functioned at a higher performance and are being sandbagged, we have no real way of knowing that to be the case. Previous estimates to the current generation were theoretical and based on larger engines, not necessarily actually higher performance in eg T/W

[Anonymous No.11783428]

>>11783308
That's not how that works
Low 100's is between 100 and 500 (assuming 'low' just means 'anything below halfway to a thousand')
Low 10's would be between 10 and 50.
It's like how we're currently in the 21st century despite the date being 20XX not 21XX.

[Anonymous No.11783429]

>>11783395
Rare jessica

[Anonymous No.11783430]

>>11783364
>Good for employees who want to slack off and never be fired for anything.
What a load of crap, unions exist to ensure companies don’t screw employees.
>>11783391
3D printers have been used to make engines and other stuff more complex than buildings, 3D printed buildings aren’t a hard R&D hurdle.
>>11783396
There better be lemon trees on Mars, especially if aquaponics are used. Imagine eating fish without lemons, yuck.

[Anonymous No.11783432]

>>11783414
I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy. However, SLS is real and ready for Stennis any day now.

[Anonymous No.11783435]

>>11783316
No, Elon has said that right now they're focusing on developing the manufacturing process, and that they can perfect Starship later.

[Anonymous No.11783436]

>>11783419
Look at trees that first populate volcanic islands too.

[Anonymous No.11783437]

>>11783430
>What a load of crap, unions exist to ensure companies don’t screw employees.
That's the initial goal back in the 20s, but now its just pure slacktivism. Look at police unions. Or the Detroit UAW. They hate progress and want manufacturing jobs to be inefficient as possible so they can get more jobs. That's all it is.

[Anonymous No.11783442]

>>11783437
Depends on the union.

Germany has much stronger unions than the USA, and they still have very competitive industry because their unions work with the management to manage economic issues.

[Anonymous No.11783444]

>>11783428
Derp.

[Anonymous No.11783450]

>>11783442
Germans are robot-like who enjoy work. Unions being useful or not seems to be more of a cultural thing.

[Anonymous No.11783454]

>>11783430
Oh god, not more proont
>3D printers have been used to make engines and other stuff more complex than buildings,
3D printers are much more suited to complex but small scale components than they are to large scale features like buildings. It's similar to the way milling is a great way to make a high performance components but a recurring oldspace meme boondoggle in wholesale tank/spacecraft manufacture.

IIRC SpaceX even abandoned proont for their raptor engines, where theoretically it makes the most sense.

[Anonymous No.11783459]

>>11783407
Of course, bamboo is just a derived grass with a tree-like growth habit. The issue with bamboo is that it sends up shoots from a rhizome that grow quickly and then stop growing. When the rhizome rebuilds its energy supplies it sends up more shoots, and since the rhizome is now bigger the next shoots are also bigger. Unfortunately this means that even for the really huge and super fast growing bamboo species, you've got between 5 and ten years of lag between planting a seedling and actually harvesting your first poles. Still worth it once the colony has achieved a large enough size of course.

[Anonymous No.11783463]

>>11783415
i'm not the guy who linked that subreddit, you fucking mongoloid

[Anonymous No.11783465]

>>11783435
Where did he say that? That sounds pretty odd, considering that right now they are not using any finalized components in terms of materials or assembly, and instead focusing entirely on getting SS in working order.

[Anonymous No.11783468]

>>11783314
5-6 and 7-8 look like sexy little freaks

[Anonymous No.11783473]

>>11783314
Give me something good, roll gods.

[Anonymous No.11783478]

>>11783442
Workforce in Germany isn't that jaded like here in the US. Germany has more trust in their country than US does. The American way is to do the least effort possible to still retain job. Plus German demographics is 95% Caucasian, 2.7% Asians, and 0.5% Africans.

Compare that to American demographics: 60% white, 19% latinos, 13% blacks, 6% asians. The problem here is race diverse = conflicts, and 1/3 of US is bottom tier of the race relations category.

[Anonymous No.11783481]

>>11783442
US union are riddled with corruption & long, deep ties to organized crime. Look at how many UAW leaders have been arrested in the last couple of years, for all manner of fiscal crimes. I don't know if that is an issue in Germany; hell do you guys even have anything like the mafia?

[Anonymous No.11783486]

>>11783310
/r/realtesla is mostly full of short sellers with a vested interest in shitting on Elon Musk and embellishing things. The people on /r/enoughmuskspam are more disjointed liberals or communists with a chip on their shoulder. They're not profiting from it, they are like jannies and they do it for free.

[Anonymous No.11783490]

>>11783486
I would bet $100 that there's huge amount of crosspost between the two. The vocal ones are very active on many boards like cars/electricvehicles/selfdrivingcars. They hate elon with passion.

[Anonymous No.11783491]

>>11783421
This, the 2016 Raptor design was physically larger than current Raptor, it was more like BE-4 sized. That being said they were also targeting 300 bar chamber pressure back then, whereas modern Raptor has a 200 bar chamber pressure that they think they can get up to 250 bar. The decrease probably came from not reaching the corrosion resistance targets they wanted from their superalloys, but they could still get there eventually.

[Anonymous No.11783492]

>>11783478
>The problem here is race diverse = conflicts, and 1/3 of US is bottom tier of the race relations category.
>buying into pseudoscience

[Anonymous No.11783500]

>>11782245

First human to perform EVA: Alexei Leonov, Voskhod 2 (recently died)
First American to perform EVA: Ed White, Gemini 4
First person to perform two EVAs: Mike Collins (Gemini 10, including one stand-up)
First person to perform three EVAs: Buzz Aldrin (Gemini 12, including one or two stand-ups)
Most EVAs during Apollo: David Scott, 5
Furthest distance from pressurizable spacecraft (the LM) during an EVA of any kind: 7.6 km, Apollo 17, EVA-2. The pic is from EVA-3, the final moonwalk (different angle, not the same event), but it gives a sense of scale. This is maybe about five klicks out or so.
Only EVA to have three people outside all at the same time: some Shuttle mission from the mid-90s where they physically grabbed a giant satellite with their "bare" hands.
Only "deep space" EVAs: 3. The CMP retrieved film surveying equipment from the exterior of the CSM during the trip back, on Apollo's J-missions.

Apollo entailed "untethered" moonwalks in the sense that the astronauts had no phsical connection to their spacecraft, but were still tethered safely by the Moon's gravity, of course. Apart from these, there have only been seven untethered spacewalks: the MMU EVAs from the early shuttle days, and a final SAFER test on STS-64 in 1994. Untethered is cool of course but they realized that robotic arms are vastly more practical for spacecraft assembly/maintenance.

Go to 9:20 for one of the ballsiest things ever done by a man (look at that spinning top he's advancing toward):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSefxa9SslU

[Anonymous No.11783501]

>>11783491
Hopefully Starship will have a few megaraptors so that it doesn’t become N1 2.0

[Anonymous No.11783502]

>>11783478
>95% Caucasian
serious doubt.
Germany has been keeping the floodgates open to somali doctors&engineers for the longest now among the EU nations.

[Anonymous No.11783503]

>>11783492
Sorry, do I have to pull up education/crime rate/income/etc chart by race? Its not like these are psuedosciences.

[Anonymous No.11783507]

>>11783492
The exception proves the rule. When you have to point to the same handful of persons to try and disprove a point, you may, in fact, have a very serious problem on your hands.

[Anonymous No.11783508]

>>11783478
>>11783481
I think it's a question of political oversight.

In Germany (and also in pretty much all of Scandinavia, because they borrowed the model from the Germans, who borrowed it from Mussolini) every person who works in a given sector of the economy is part of the union for that economy.

Different segments of the economy are managed by councils that combine the union leaders, employer's associations (the people who run the companies), and political leadership. The councils then create the economic policy for that segment of the economy. For example, minimum wage in Germany is different for different sectors, because different councils set different wages.

Because everybody has to be in the union, the union leadership is elected by everyone who works in that industry, and the unions have to work with the bosses, things run a lot smoother.

[Anonymous No.11783512]

>>11783502
I wish American hispanics/blacks were doctors/engineers. Then US would be twice as better than we are today.

[Anonymous No.11783513]

>>11783503
If you want to have an argument about race, could you start a second thread?

I'd be happy to do it, but I don't want to do it here.

[Anonymous No.11783523]

>>11783513
Why not stick to the main point and accept that why race differences matters have huge effect on society and move on?

[Anonymous No.11783529]

>>11783512
I think it’s a bad combo of “black culture” ridiculing them for trying, and systemic racism against people of color who actually DO want to succeed. Not like they’re necessarily barred from doing what they want like it’s the 1800s... more like white people only see them as tokens

[Anonymous No.11783531]

>>11783501
Nah

[Anonymous No.11783535]

>>11783529
why aren't asians and indians, visible poc minorities, affected by the systemic racism. But in fact tend to do better in education, commit less violence and have less problems with the law than whites?
How do we stop systemic racism thats oppressing whites and enables asian supremacy?

[Anonymous No.11783542]

>>11783529
>>11783535
Could you not?

[Anonymous No.11783544]

>>11783085
>>11783080
>>11783072
>>11783061
>>11783059
>>11783058
>>11783041
>>11783102
>>11783148
>>11783162
Now I know where all the boeing shills come from...

[Anonymous No.11783551]

>>11783544
can’t wait to see the salt on that sub when Starship goes into orbit

[Anonymous No.11783557]

>>11783544
That's not where boing shill posts come from. Those people just don't like anyone being successful AND rich.
Boeing is fine for them because they're some inhuman corporation without a charismatic face attached to it, even if they suck up 10x+ more tax dollars and deliver fuck all, but they just ignore it, they don't shill for it.

[Anonymous No.11783565]

>>11783535
>why aren't asians and indians, visible poc minorities, affected by the systemic racism
Retard

[Anonymous No.11783570]

>>11783565
>oh no, we make more money than whites, have higher representation in education than whites and are less likely to be killed by police than whites
>someone save us!

[Anonymous No.11783575]

>>11783565
>>11783570
Can you not?

I wanted to talk about rockets.

[Anonymous No.11783576]

>>11783535
>>11783542
Idk it was just a crackpot theory. In actuality anyone can succeed if they have the drive. I don’t want to derail the thread so i’ll just say I believe anyone alive today (especially college-aged) can set themselves to go to Mars or the Moon in the United States, no matter their color or gender.

[Anonymous No.11783579]

>>11783551
Probably silence like during DM-2.

[Anonymous No.11783584]

>>11783570
Those are with their own effort. Even then, they are artificially being kept down. There's a so called bamboo ceiling to Asians trying to rise up the ranks in higher ed and in workspace. Harvard lawsuit is just that.

[Anonymous No.11783586]

>>11783570
You should be smart enough to know the historical context why Indians and east Asians are not affected by racism the same way black people have been.

[Anonymous No.11783589]

>>11783551
>Starship launch thread. Let’s hope it explodes and Elon falls into a pit of depression! God I love Che Guevara XD

[Anonymous No.11783593]

>>11783454
The abandoned it because it takes too long compared to traditional cast and mill manufacturing, and also isn't as strong due to the grain structure that forms from additive manufacturing.

[Anonymous No.11783594]

>>11783575
Every fucking day anon, every fucking day.
Starlink still launching on the 12th, gonna watch that stream, anything else relevant coming up in the near future?

[Anonymous No.11783598]

Solar-powered Microwave Electrothermal Thruster using water as the propellant. Viable for an ISRU electric thruster, or not?

[Anonymous No.11783599]

>>11783589
I can't wait to see the butt tears from the actual communist Chinese and actual Russians when SpaceX single handedly claims the red planet and starts reaching towards the asteroid belt.

[Anonymous No.11783600]

>>11783246
There are also ethnonationalists who believe it won't be a viable system on earth ever again. I'm one of them, so I simp for anybody who advances space colonization.

[Anonymous No.11783602]

>>11783586
I'm also smart enough to know these historical contexts are in the past, and the vast majority of blacks never experienced them today.

>>11783584
So now you're being racist by saying that asians work harder than other races, that other races could be as industrious and separated from crime if they tried harder.
Would you say the same for whites in regards to blacks/hispanics? That if blacks and hispanics just worked harder they would be better off than whites like Asians are?

[Anonymous No.11783609]

>>11783305
Plebbit downvotes anything that violates their echo chamber.

[Anonymous No.11783615]

>>11783321
looks like an arab

[Anonymous No.11783616]

>>11783602
>contexts are in the past, and the vast majority of blacks never experienced them today.
kek imagine actually believing this

[Anonymous No.11783621]

>>11783616
Yeah, I forgot about all the plantations I passed by today with Tyrone picking cotton and singing songs.
America today is no different than 180 years ago, sad.

[Anonymous No.11783624]

>>11783314
rollin'

[Anonymous No.11783629]

>>11783490
For sure there is cross posting and that speaks to how desperate and fanatical they have become because just shitting on Elon Musk as a person on Reddit doesn't really do anything to affect the share price of Tesla. The people who haven't covered their short and are still trying to bet against the company are lunatics with huge sunken cost fallacy. They had the option to cover at $360 a few months ago and chose not to.

[Anonymous No.11783631]

>>11783373
We need to get nuclear saltwater rockets working, with 90% enrichment, and then the whole solar system will be unlocked for us.

[Anonymous No.11783636]

>>11783616
>>11783621
I know you won't but I'm still gonna ask you both to shut the fuck up about race relations in the spaceflight general thread.

[Anonymous No.11783645]

>>11783507
>>11783503
>>11783508
These are all major contributing factors.

[Anonymous No.11783646]

>>11783129
>>11783145
>less than 500 dollarydoos to shoot a kg of stuff into fucking space

This can't be right. It'll be well worth the pricetag to shoot pic related into interstellar space lmao

[Anonymous No.11783647]

>>11783602
>So now you're being racist by saying that asians work harder than other races
Yes. We have proof of that in SAT scores, medical school acceptance rate, higher ed acceptance rate, etc. Asians have to work much harder than blacks/hispanics and they have to work harder than whites to even get same opportunity as them. This is why when you are in hospital, you always want an asian doctor fluent in english over any other simply because they worked the hardest and overall avg asian doctors are more competent as a result.

Its why asian computer software engineers are in demand in silicon valley and making inroads in all kinds of AI tech. Its why most of the engineers in computer techs are Asians.

[Anonymous No.11783650]

>>11783631
The problem isn't getting an NSWR to work, it's getting it to work without contaminating regularly used flight trajectories with it's fission exhaust products.

[Anonymous No.11783653]

>>11782301
Nice.

[Anonymous No.11783656]

>>11783647
Asians have to work harder because they're over represented in STEM and thus affirmative action affects them negatively.
Your "systemic racism" against asians is affirmative action and if you want to defeat that racism, it means defeating AA.

[Anonymous No.11783660]

>>11783656
So you agree there is a systematic racism against Asians right?

[Anonymous No.11783661]

>>11783650
Good thing space is really big

[Anonymous No.11783668]

>>11783660
>>11783656
Please shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.11783674]

>>11783660
AA also affects whites negatively, so if you're willing to agree that there is systemic racism against whites, I can agree there is systemic racism against asians

[Anonymous No.11783679]

>>11782910
That font rendering is the real secret weapon.

[Anonymous No.11783680]

>>11783660
>>11783674
This systemic racism (AA) also benefits blacks and hispanics.
So would you also agree that they (blacks and hispanics) are the beneficiaries of systemic racism in the US?

[Anonymous No.11783685]

Who wants to talk about rockets, I don’t give a fuck about human melanin and the resulting skin colors

[Anonymous No.11783688]

>>11783680
>>11783674
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.11783689]

>>11783680
>>11783674
>>11783660
>>11783656
Can we agree that space rockets is more important than your shitty argument?

[Anonymous No.11783692]

When will there be another gas giant atmospheric probe? Is it possible for it to have an onboard camera as well?

[Anonymous No.11783694]

>>11783688
>oh no I'm losing the argument
you shouldn't of brought up AA as systemic racism, pal

[Anonymous No.11783697]

>>11783692
its me taking a whiff of your mum's braaps

[Anonymous No.11783700]

>>11783694
i'm actually a different person, i just want the thread to be about space flight, not race

[Anonymous No.11783702]

>>11783246
>the material conditions for socialism/anarchism/communism etc won't appear until space is colonized

Facts

[Anonymous No.11783704]

>The locomotive that kept this thread from falling off the rails

[Anonymous No.11783708]

>>11783704
Have a more kino shot of the rocket train.

[Anonymous No.11783711]

>>11783708
I assume they fuel Soyuz when it is vertical, but let’s say it was fueled and my comrade Ivan accidentally lit the engines. How fucking fast would that slavtrain go?

[Anonymous No.11783713]

>>11783704
>>11783708
Printfag probably thinks he can print his tracks too.

[Anonymous No.11783723]

>>11783713
>wants to print rocket fuel
lmao

[Anonymous No.11783724]

>>11783711
All the way to Berlin.

[Anonymous No.11783730]

>>11783704
will there be trains on the moon/mars? I really hope so

[Anonymous No.11783733]

>>11783711
I think they leave the Soyuz unfueled while on the train so the train doesn't have to work as hard to move it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C3EC8V4oN4

[Anonymous No.11783736]

>>11783694
What's wrong with the argument? Its right though. The problem is where to define baseline. Are Asian Americans baseline for US? If they are, then whites are affected negatively. If whites are baseline, then Asian Americans are negatively affected. As far as I know, there are no city/town in the US where Asian Americans are majority(maybe some in hawaii?). So the later statement is true.

[Anonymous No.11783739]

>>11783730
>will there be trains on the moon/mars?
Yes and they will be 3D printed too.

[Anonymous No.11783743]

>>11783739
You have just combined the autistic fascination of trains with 3D printing anon

[Anonymous No.11783745]

>>11783730
Lunar subways
>>11783739
You can print the doorknobs if you'll shut up about it.

[Anonymous No.11783750]

>>11783743
>Rockets, Trains, and 3D Printers
The autistic engineer's holy trinity.

[Anonymous No.11783751]

>>11783036
>This will be your last (you).
It's "(You)", as in "(You) are a fucking retard."

[Anonymous No.11783753]

>>11783739
why dont we just print the people too?

[Anonymous No.11783758]

>>11783730
Trains will be the best way to get from A to B on Mars eventually. Rubber sucks on Mars and it's much easier to push trains to the kind of insane speeds you can reach in the tenuous atmosphere

[Anonymous No.11783764]

>>11783598
nothing except chemical makes any sense for manned spacecraft until we have robust nuclear engines.

[Anonymous No.11783765]

>>11783758
can't wait to land in a starship port on mars and then take the train to downtown of the capital

[Anonymous No.11783771]

>>11783314
It won't be 5-6, she's a leaf. My bet is the negress and the Navy chink

[Anonymous No.11783775]

>>11783646
Yes, it's right.

[Anonymous No.11783777]

>>11783758
>supersonic Martian maglev bullettrains
Gonna be sick.

[Anonymous No.11783778]

>>11782931
looks like a benis

[Anonymous No.11783788]

>>11783765
>ding ding
>arriving at olympus mons in 15 minutes
>and now if you will look on your right you can see the musk memorial, biggest statue in the solar system, you can see it from earth.

[Anonymous No.11783795]

>>11783758
Imagine one on the moon with no air resistance. Gotta go fast

[Anonymous No.11783796]

>>11783788
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYURxfaTdpY

[Anonymous No.11783798]

>>11783736
well lets just make blacks the baseline, then racism is defeated

[Anonymous No.11783800]

>>11783765
>be me
>Terran
>land at Shotwell interplanetary port for a business trip
>have to sign a heavily graffitied wall to leave the Starship
>take the next train to Elongrad
>everyone in it is pale skinned
>they all stare
>one is even making some hushed screeching sound under his breath
>after a bumpy ride the train arrives
>everyone slaps their knees
>get out to the streets to look for corporate headquarters
>every building looks like a concrete buttplug
>ask a passerby for directions
>he speaks in a thick accent or maybe a language that's mostly "umm's"
>walk down "Boing" street
>get stabbed for my phosphorus
2/10 will not visit again

[Anonymous No.11783805]

>>11783650
NSWR can only contaminate physical objects in space, since its exhaust velocity is so high that the radioactive fission products fuck right off to interstellar space immediately after exiting the engine, even if they're being blasted retrograde relative to your spacecraft's orbit around the Sun.

The main issue with NSWR is stopping the neutron and gamma flux from the reaction depositing enough heat into every solid object within 100 meters of it to cause those objects to melt and swiftly vaporize. If you can figure out the cooling systems necessary and don't mind the fact that your own vehicle is too radioactive due to neutron activation to approach from the outside for weeks after every engine firing, then NSWR could be right for you.

Of course you can go for the much lower specific power option of a microfission nuclear pulse rocket, which operates like a Z pinch rocket but using uranium or plutonium instead of deuterium, so it's much easier. Shit gets you 0.1 g acceleration at >100,000 isp, which at 20% propellant by mass would afford you about 220,000 m/s of delta V, easily enabling fast trajectories to anywhere in the solar system with high payload mass fractions.

[Anonymous No.11783810]

>>11783692
There wouldn't be much time to take pictures, also the gas clouds on a giant planet only have significant detail from far away, up close they're very muddy and would appear mostly as a featureless haze.

[Anonymous No.11783813]

>>11783795
I wonder how quickly you could get from one side of the moon to the other with an underground equatorial subway tube?

[Anonymous No.11783815]

>>11783788
>"Wow! The detail on the bulge is amazing! How long did it take to 3D print that part?"

[Anonymous No.11783818]

>>11783730
You fucking bet there will be, and they'll be larger and faster than any trains on Earth. Picture cars the size of ocean cargo ships moving at upwards of 1000 km/h on maglev tracks.

[Anonymous No.11783819]

>>11783805
NSWR seems rather niche as neither one is going to be launching off of anything you like. In orbit 0.1g is plenty

[Anonymous No.11783821]

>>11783764
What about for cislunar satellite tugs?

[Anonymous No.11783825]

>>11783815
Hammered steel, mongrel

[Anonymous No.11783834]

>>11783815
>Implying musk's wang wont be handcrafted by a team of his ex wives.

[Anonymous No.11783844]

>>11783765
Can I take a second to rant about how awesome trains will be on Mars?

>virtually no air resistance
>because no air resistance, speed can go as fast as you want without seriously impacting fuel efficiency
>because no air resistance, engines won't need to be anywhere near as powerful to maintain high speeds, so it'll probably be easier to use hydrogen fuel cells instead of an external pantograph line, which means you can go even faster
>steel wheels on steel rails will get into the hundreds of mph
>maglev will go into the thousands

[Anonymous No.11783845]

>>11783825
>ywn hammer out Elon's penis from a sheet of steel
Why should we continue living?

[Anonymous No.11783858]

>>11783711
All rockets are unfueled when they're being moved. It makes no fucking sense to have shit sloshing around during transit not to mention that fuel is the majority of the mass of a rocket.

[Anonymous No.11783871]

>>11783844
>Fuel
>Fuel cells for any kind of vehicle
Why not just use electricity from the get-go?

[Anonymous No.11783877]

>>11783810
>up close they're very muddy and would appear mostly as a featureless haze.
No.

[Anonymous No.11783902]

>>11783871
Because batteries suck at storing power and setting up power cables would be a massive pain in the ass.

I assume that hydrox and methalox will be the most common energy storage technologies on the red planet.

[Anonymous No.11783916]

>>11783877
I’m pretty sure this is true Anon, if you’re close as fuck it would be pretty hard to distinguish specific bands. Instead you’d see one overall color with a muddy haze of lighter and darker swirls. The reason we can see the bands on things like pics from Juno is because it’s really far away

[Anonymous No.11783928]

>>11783902
Who said anything about batteries?

[Anonymous No.11783951]

>>11783902
>Because batteries suck at storing power
Elon has the best battery team on this planet and it won't require much energy to maintain speed with little air resistance and trains are inherently low friction.

> setting up power cables would be a massive pain in the ass.
People have been doing third rail forever. I don't think anyone's even made a fuel cell train before.

That's not all to say that there won't ever be a methane fuel cell train but I don't think it's necessary. Where that makes more sense is in big tracked exploratory vehicles

[Anonymous No.11783962]

>>11783951
>People have been doing third rail forever

The issues I see are twofold

>more expensive and maintenance intensive than just laying down metal tracks
>can't go sanic fast

[Anonymous No.11783983]

>>11783148
>JWST March 2021 launch date just got scrubbed.
They are just reddit communists at large

[Anonymous No.11784000]

>>11783983
Salty Communists, see >>11783557
They just hate rich and successful people.

[Anonymous No.11784001]

After realising how quickly they are going to be able to pump out starship hulls (love this word btw) once they have a factory, I have thought about the next bottleneck, where the fuck are they going to store hundreds of them and all their superheavies?

[Anonymous No.11784003]

>>11784001
>where the fuck are they going to store hundreds of them and all their superheavies?
Michoud after it gets decommissioned.

[Anonymous No.11784007]

>>11784001
They're stainless steel, so couldn't you just leave them outside?

[Anonymous No.11784011]

>>11783983
>r/EnlightenedCentrists

[Anonymous No.11784014]

>>11784007
Stainless Steel does not mean "impervious to the elements".
It just means it doesn't immediately turn into a rusty piece of shit when it comes into contact with humidity.

[Anonymous No.11784016]

>>11784001
Texas hopefully, I want to see a Houston Starship Yard. They can export them out of the Port of Houston as they’re needed.

[Anonymous No.11784022]

>>11784007
Even though it's stainless you still want to protect it, it's called stainLESS steel not stain Proof steel. Something as simple as big tarps would probably do though.

[Anonymous No.11784035]

>>11784001
orbit?

[Anonymous No.11784036]

>>11784001
Rigid semi-tent structures I'd assume at first. They're light, cheap, relatively weather resistant (so long as we're not talking hurricanes), and you can climate control them just to keep it moderately cool and dry, just a good practice when working with metal and electronics, and to make it less miserable to work around them for hours on end.

[Anonymous No.11784091]

>ywn be in charge of installing and removing the giant weather resistant condoms from hundreds of rockets sitting in a field

[Anonymous No.11784099]

>>11784091
you only need a handful of Super Heavies per launch site, and you can just store the Starships on orbit

[Anonymous No.11784103]

>>11784099
Heavy radiation environment is not conducive to storage. Especially all your electronics.

[Anonymous No.11784113]

>>11783821
Electric is okay for anything unmanned that's just doing station keeping or doesn't need to go anywhere fast. It's bad for manned spacecraft.

[Anonymous No.11784118]

>>11783916
When Juno has taken pictures close to Jupiter, the clouds look hazy and muddy, and that's still from hundreds of km away.

[Anonymous No.11784124]

>>11784099
That's stupid. Storing your launch vehicles in a place that you can't launch them from.

[Anonymous No.11784139]

>>11783916
There would still be interesting cloud formations. It wouldn't just be a colorless haze.

[Anonymous No.11784143]

>>11784103
very low earth orbit
equatorial very low earth orbit
alltogether a more benign environment than sitting in the salt air or Texas or Florida

[Anonymous No.11784146]

>>11784139
>tfw live on Uranian moon
>Gas giant is a gay teal coloured blob
>Everyone makes Uranus jokes 24/7 and bullies you on systemchan

[Anonymous No.11784147]

>>11784139
Yeah that’s what I was referring to with the swirls. It would look like a cool 3D mix of unmixed coffee and milk.

[Anonymous No.11784154]

>>11784146
i can't wait for interplanetary shitposting

[Anonymous No.11784156]

>>11784146
Ironically with .86g, uranus would be a pretty good place to have a floating colony.

[Anonymous No.11784161]

>>11784156
floating colonies are a meme

[Anonymous No.11784165]

>>11784161
This.

Also, Venus is a gas giant for all intents and purposes.

[Anonymous No.11784170]

>>11784161
floating colonies are based, fuck off

[Anonymous No.11784178]

>>11784124
Why can't you launch a starship from orbit? That's its intended purpose, to refill in orbit and take off to anywhere else

[Anonymous No.11784179]

>>11784170
they aren't feasible though

[Anonymous No.11784188]

>>11784179
They'll be feasible if fusion becomes a thing.

[Anonymous No.11784191]

>>11784170
>can't get solid resources (ie. literally everything)
>pain in the ass to get out back into orbit
>literally all of the downsides of a space habitat with all of the downsides of being on a planet, with none of the benefits of either

[Anonymous No.11784212]

>>11784191
Would probably be useful if He3 extraction ends up being a thing, there are probably uses for most of the other gasses there too but idk how you could justify moving gas beyond your local moons.

[Anonymous No.11784218]

>>11784188
Tbh.... fusion is just a meme that needs to become a reality

[Anonymous No.11784227]

>>11784218
Would have been a reality by now if ITER had fucked off and various national projects started using YBCO as soon as it was discovered.

[Anonymous No.11784241]

>>11784178
How are you gonna get your payload into LEO to stuff into your Starship, anon? You're gonna launch a Starship. If you're launching a Starship to pack a Starship that needs to be refueled, you can just skip having a Starship waiting in orbit and just refuel the same one you launched the payload in.

[Anonymous No.11784246]

>>11784188
Why would a power source heaver and less energy dense than fission enable civilization in a completely resource deprived environment, exactly?

>>11784191
exactly

>>11784212
>He3
The worst technology meme of our time. He-3 is a worse fusion fuel than deuterium, which is vastly more common and easily accessible
>but muh neutrons
If we can solve fusion at all we can implement the quite simple solutions that make the issues of having neutron flux irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.11784247]

>>11784241
only land your starship the day before it's scheduled to launch or so

[Anonymous No.11784248]

>>11784227
based and superconductor at temperatures warmer than liquid nitrogen pilled.

[Anonymous No.11784254]

>>11784247
Dude, normal plans for Starship see it constantly being used, ie landing and being launched again every 24 hours, with six Starships per Booster. You aren't solving any problems by suggesting they only bring it down for the minimum amount of time, they are already going to do that, because they want to be able to put up a megaton of payload per year per Booster-Starships grouping.

[Anonymous No.11784260]

>>11784246
You can't just handwave away neutron flux. It's going to destroy whatever pressure vessel it's inside of fairly fast. You can shield all the guts of it with molten salts so the expensive magnets will be OK, but the pressure vessel is still going bye bye.

[Anonymous No.11784288]

>>11783758
>Nips develop super fast bullet train that can be stacked and planted into underground tunnels made by the Boring company
Can't wait.

[Anonymous No.11784299]

>>11784288
Forgot pic, that Deutsch-Japanese design should be the standard for any exoplanetary transport.

[Anonymous No.11784329]

>>11784299
This is cool but I bet there are even cooler designs. Also keep in mind if it’s in a vacuum or even low atmosphere it doesn’t necessarily have to be aerodynamically shaped- although someone like Elon would want it to look sleek and futuristic regardless. I’ll try to find some kino electric trains after I find my laptop charger

[Anonymous No.11784333]

[Anonymous No.11784335]

>>11782999
Mixing oxygen and hydrogen does NOT make a good propellant, that is how you build a bomb...

[Anonymous No.11784353]

>>11784333
That looks different. Is this a new change?

[Anonymous No.11784362]

>>11784333
>To satiate Starship's thirst for sacrifices, three poor souls would be sealed inside
>This Starship will later fly a hundred missions without a single failure
>"Delightfully counter intuitive" said the Dark Lord Elon

[Anonymous No.11784364]

>https://youtu.be/8oAbMM9xHgc?t=364

6:05

[Anonymous No.11784365]

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the one thing that could fuck up Mars.

Suppose we find life? All life needs is liquid water and heat, and Mars has both of those things under the surface. Suppose some douchebag takes a sample and discovers an entirely novel Martian biome.

Then we'll never be able to enjoy well water, or even go to the planet without decontaminating everything so we don't kill everything on Mars, and Martian life doesn't come back and kill everything on Earth.

[Anonymous No.11784370]

>>11784365
I could see people arguing that habitation would destroy the natural, untouched beauty of celestial bodies

[Anonymous No.11784372]

>>11784365
Just change the "Occupy Mars" tagline to "Occupy Phobos" and "Occupy Deimos", and turn Mars into a interplanetary conservation park.

[Anonymous No.11784394]

>>11784365
>I'm surprised nobody has brought up the one thing that could fuck up Mars.

It has been discussed dozens of times. But yeah, it would be a problem.

[Anonymous No.11784396]

>>11784370
We went over this last thread. Any environmentalists on earth won't be able to do shit to stop colonists ANYWHERE in the solar system once Mars is even semi-self sufficient.

[Anonymous No.11784411]

>>11784370
I could see lots of people getting told to shut the fuck up and deal with it.

[Anonymous No.11784419]

>>11784370
Fuck that. Our solar system is ours for the taking. That being said, it should be occupied by scientists who are mainly concerned with aspects such as geology, engineering, and biology etc. with a focus on preservation, but trash inevitably seeps its way into all civilizations. This is why I’m the fag who has been pushing for the NOAA corps/NASA corps/Starfleet like life. Space should be full of people who respect the idea of exploration and preservation, and any civilian should keep this scientific and adventurous idea in their living philosophy

[Anonymous No.11784427]

>>11784419
I think it'd have to be a mix between pure science, pure money, and people like Elon who just want to improve the capability for its own sake

If the Martian aquifers have weird space jellyfish or some shit in them, we can't just ruin all of that cool shit to make a quick buck.

[Anonymous No.11784430]

>>11784419
I agree but that would really only work in a perfect world. The idea of a scientific corps would really only work in the beginning of a Mars colony. Eventually we will need mass colonization though anon.
Maybe once we get things like food replicators and post-scarcity we will see a star trek like society. But until then we will most likely see a firefly world full of people scrapping by, at least in our later lifetime

[Anonymous No.11784433]

>>11784353
SN7; first test tank with new alloy

[Anonymous No.11784458]

>>11784433
I meant the teeth. Havent seen that before.

[Anonymous No.11784475]

>>11782991
Wait, is Retalt still happening?

[Anonymous No.11784487]

>>11784458
Oh those have been in every SN, they're guide rods to ensure that each ring segment goes on snugly. I think they get welded in place to provide a little structural support too once it's fitted, then the welders leave through the hole in the top bulkhead.

[Anonymous No.11784495]

>>11782991
Is this an SSTO(L?)

[Anonymous No.11784530]

Kiwi rocket launch soon
https://youtu.be/-zzu7hI0ESM

[Anonymous No.11784534]

How do engineers figure out what happened when a rocket explodes? Are there just sensors in absolutely everything that holds gas/liquid, and so they look at whatever had a sudden change in pressure?

[Anonymous No.11784545]

>>11784534
I'm sure it's a combination of footage, studying the wreckage and sensor data

[Anonymous No.11784553]

>>11784530
How far away could that be seen from? I'm slightly north of Wellington. Weather is clear, besides a very light cover of high altitude clouds.

[Anonymous No.11784554]

>>11783334
The asian is an absolute chad. Before he became an astronaut, he was a navy seal and a doctor

[Anonymous No.11784567]

>>11784534
High frame rate cameras play a huge part, when the challenger exploded they caught the SRB's initial and final o-ring failures on camera and frame by frame were able to put together how it failed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXiQGs1QaIs

[Anonymous No.11784573]

>>11783723
I mean, you could.
https://youtu.be/d0zo8CRe6Qs

[Anonymous No.11784574]

>>11783314
>7-8
>Female

Ohohohoho no that's a man

[Anonymous No.11784580]

>>11784574
Or jewish

[Anonymous No.11784589]

What metrics are there for rocket engine quality?
Like, the Merlin 1D is cheap and has an extremely high thrust:weight ratio, and is available in low and high altitude models; but does that mean it's hands-down the best engine, or is it sacrificing something? Is RP-1 a suboptimal fuel, ignoring the difficulty of offworld refuelling since that's not relevant yet?

[Anonymous No.11784612]

>>11784589
The merlin does not have the highhest ISP for specific things but it's an all around engine which you can land on our good earth. Keep in mind the space model engine just mean enlarging it because you don't care about the air.

[Anonymous No.11784617]

>>11784589
If we ignore refueling, I think it comes down to
a) Overall engine performance. Can you use it in a vacuum AND sea level? Do you need two desperate models? What is the overall ISP from the fuel mixture and nozzle shape
b) Complexity of design. Your engine might be good as fuck but how much does it cost to make that engine. How hard is it to make/acquire your fuel? Does your engine have a billion parts or can it be made in basically a garage setting
c) Reusability and refurbishment. If your engine isn’t destroyed on launch by being expendable (*coughSLScough*) does it still cost its weight in gold to refurbish? How many times can it fly?
Something like the RS-25 engine has damn good performance but the fucking hydrolox mixture is a meme. It cost a lot to keep repumping fuel on the launchpad bc it boils away at sea level, and it cost a lot to refurbish- and if you just destroy it every launch before it makes it to space then it isn’t worth it. Meanwhile the Raptor might be complex, but it’s rated for many flights with minimal refurbishment, and the fuel mixture is so simple you can make it here on Earth with ease

[Anonymous No.11784620]

>>11784617
separate, not desperate

[Anonymous No.11784621]

>>11783844
Definitely going to want to skip the pantograph and go to something self-powered, since they start arcing severely at high speeds and would surely be worse in the tenuous Mars atmosphere.
Note the arcing above 400kph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOdATLzRGHc

[Anonymous No.11784627]

>>11783951
>>11783962
Third rail isn't going to be anymore expensive than stringing up catenary cables., and is simpler since it's mounted on the same set of ties the rails are laid on. Still cant go sanic fast on them though.

[Anonymous No.11784635]

>>11784617
What would a sea/vacuum engine look like? Would it allow for nozzle constriction or something?
Apparently the Raptor is supposed to be one.

>>11783844
Also, railways will be far easier to plan since you're starting from a blank slate.
Got some rails? Got a train to deliver workers and those rails to the end of the line? You're good to go.

[Anonymous No.11784637]

>>11783800
Based phosphorous gangers physically removing filthy T*rrans

[Anonymous No.11784643]

>>11783321
Fuck that she looks like a dyke. 3-4 is the best

[Anonymous No.11784646]

>>11784589
Merlin being RP1 fueled is fairly subpar for ISP and thus for its role as a second stage engine on F9, but using anything else would have driven up the cost of the second stage considerably, and that would have an outsized effect on marginal cost. Considerations like that is why it's the current winner on $/kg by far

[Anonymous No.11784677]

>>11784635
Lmao that’s called an aerospike. I believe raptor has separate sea level and vacuum variants. Aerospike engines are good for both but Starship doesn’t need them

[Anonymous No.11784685]

>>11784677
>I believe raptor has separate sea level and vacuum variants

Some of the engines are vacuum-optimized and others are optimized for sea level. They’re mixed together in the engine cluster

[Anonymous No.11784687]

>>11784635
>What would a sea/vacuum engine look like?
aeromeme
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_engine_nozzle#Advanced_designs
There are a lot of approaches. It's all just about adjusting the effective expansion ratio of the nozzle though yes, aside from aeromeme
>Raptor
They just slapped an arrangement of vac and sea level bells on the same ship. Because fuck complications

[Anonymous No.11784694]

>>11784677
How come no one has made an aerospike yet? I've heard about them a while back.

>>11784687
Must be a mistake in this Wikipedia article then:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_orbital_rocket_engines
It lists Raptor as a 1st and 2nd stage engine, but also separately lists the vacuum variant.

[Anonymous No.11784696]

>>11784685
Yessir it’s 3 and 3 now I remember. The superheavy for sure doesn’t need any aerospikes, although the actual Starship COULD utilize them but SpaceX doesn’t need to invest money for massive R&D when their optimized engines work just fine. NASA should do more research on them though, that’s like the job of NASA

[Anonymous No.11784699]

>>11784694
No, that's right. Sea level Raptors on both stages, vac raptors on the second stage.

[Anonymous No.11784700]

What do you guys think of aerogel insulation?

[Anonymous No.11784705]

>>11784700
Aerogel looks really cool but that stereotypical blue stuff has been replaced by newer generation stuff that looks like a pillow. I mean it’s fine for some things but not for others. I’m no expert though so I don’t really know what it’s good for

[Anonymous No.11784708]

[Anonymous No.11784709]

>>11784700
NASA uses it for their Mars rover experiments. Works, but I think they're super expensive.

[Anonymous No.11784711]

[Anonymous No.11784716]

>>11783196
well to be fair the rs25's burn all the way to space, the core stage gets dumped in a slightly suborbital 1800 x 93 km trajectory. ICPS/EUS only executes a tiny circularization burn.

[Anonymous No.11784717]

they sure have a lot of shit lying around

[Anonymous No.11784718]

>>11784711
>you must construct additional raptors

[Anonymous No.11784721]

[Anonymous No.11784723]

>>11784711
kek literally jebediah's junkyard and spacecraft parts co

[Anonymous No.11784727]

more here https://twitter.com/RGVaerialphotos

[Anonymous No.11784726]

>>11784721
When are these from?

[Anonymous No.11784732]

>>11784700
Brittle and expensive. It seems worth it in the context of being willing to pay millions to save an ounce, but outside of that, not so much.

[Anonymous No.11784737]

>>11784727
That's a lot of rockets.

[Anonymous No.11784742]

>>11784737
Rockets, built by Texans

[Anonymous No.11784745]

>>11784709
Why does it cost so much? Off the shelf retail stores have the stuff for about $300 for 0.75m2

Is it just retarded aerospace contractors? Because it's not that much in the grand scheme of things, especially with the weight savings.

[Anonymous No.11784755]

>>11784745
Idk if he’s considered onions or not (not like I give a shit) but NileRed has a chemistry video about making aerogel. Just making it by yourself costs a shitload of money in appertains setup, and this contains a lot of impurities. Yeah the raw materials are cheap and you can sell it for cheap, but that’s only if you sell small amounts so you’ll end up selling more. In order to sell a sizable amount with no impurities, it’ll cost a shit ton and you’ll have to sell it for a shit ton just to make a profit.

[Anonymous No.11784757]

How ready are we to actually have offworld colonies?
On the one hand, our near-future is a lot more promising in one way than what The Martian portrayed; instead of relying on one interplanetary ship that can only refuel on Earth, and struggles to book a resupply mission due to lack of rockets, SpaceX will just spam so many cheap rockets that rocket availability isn't an issue at all.
So, humanity's interplanetary capabilities would be far greater than what The Martian portrays.

On the other hand, do we actually have the technology to allow a Martian colony to utilise local resources? Do we have sleeker space suits that would allow people to work efficiently in a near-vacuum?

[Anonymous No.11784760]

>>11784745
Maybe things have gotten better, or maybe it's just not the same stuff. Aerospace historically has been interested in only the most autistic, highest performance they can get.

[Anonymous No.11784767]

What's the deal with Rocket Lab?
Why would Americans want a manufacturing and launch facility that far from the equator, where wages and goods are all really expensive?
Rocket Lab's nationality is a bit confusing; it's Aotearoan-founded, but has headquarters in and funding from the US.

[Anonymous No.11784769]

>>11784757
>On the other hand, do we actually have the technology to allow a Martian colony to utilise local resources?

We have the technology to utilize resources on Earth, so....yes?
Extracting breathable oxygen and fuel from the Martian atmosphere is an understood process performable by relatively simple modern technology, and ore refining was figured out millennia ago.

[Anonymous No.11784771]

>>11784757
We will definitely have to rely one more than just starships for habitation, that's for sure. SNC (or even Bigelow if it miraculously returns) could build inflatable modules that could be buried and used as sufficient habitation.
As for resource utilization, it's definitely possible. Perhaps probes (bigger and better ones delivered by starship) could analyze and even test hardware for Martian soil utilization.

[Anonymous No.11784776]

>>11784771
>We will definitely have to rely one more than just starships for habitation, that's for sure

Why?

[Anonymous No.11784780]

>>11784757
Anon we technically have all the tech to do these things you mentioned. If SpaceX didn’t exist and it was lead by NASA, it would probably be exactly like The Martian. But with cheap rockets like Starship (and Jim’s willingnance to foster these companies instead of oldspace) we technically COULD get there. We just need the drive to do it. Elon has that drive. But we need more people, more people to do things like develop new space suits, pay for people to go, research planetary science. Let’s just hope Elon is as successful as we need and Jim stays at NASA long after Trump ends his presidential term.
We will get there anon, and have the things you want. It’s just a matter of will it be 150 years, or 50 years

[Anonymous No.11784782]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2112298-food-made-from-natural-gas-will-soon-feed-farm-animals-and-us/
Methylococcus capsulatus Bacteria eat methane and form a protein and carbohydrate rich food. The spread can be eaten as a bland veg impute and all s made into fish feed
You can use this to feed the fish in your aquaponics farm, then use human waste to make methane to produce more feed
This stuff will be the basis of the Martian carbon cycle

[Anonymous No.11784784]

>China tested fairing recovery techniques on the launch that happened earlier today
SpaceX ushered in a new era of spaceflight

[Anonymous No.11784785]

>>11784769
people have yet to see the actual machines that will do the oxygen and fuel making so skepticism is abound

[Anonymous No.11784787]

>>11784767
The NZ launch site lets you hit almost every orbital inclination. The rocket engines are all US made and ITAR controlled, then shipped to NZ for stacking and launch.

[Anonymous No.11784793]

>>11784785
>people have yet to see the actual machines that will do the oxygen

https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/spacecraft/instruments/moxie/

>and fuel making so skepticism is abound

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120016419.pdf

It’s all pretty simple chemistry you could probably explain to high schoolers

[Anonymous No.11784796]

>>11784784
Is fairing recovery even viable? Or are they going to do a Buran and give up on it once they realise its shit?

[Anonymous No.11784801]

>>11784796
Fairing recovery is retarded imho. SpaceX is using TWO boats (which consume fuel in terms of gallons per mile, not miles per gallon) and they aren’t that successful. It doesn’t seem to outweigh the cost of the fairings, which i’m sure aren’t THAT expensive...
Regardless, it seems to be purely experimental- and starship will render it useless as it will be 100% recoverable. The Chinks are just trying to play catchup

[Anonymous No.11784806]

>>11784801
SpaceX fairings are $6 million each.

[Anonymous No.11784810]

>>11784801
>Fairing recovery is retarded imho

Falcon 9’s fairings cost millions.

[Anonymous No.11784812]

>>11784806
Gah damn I take back what I said about them being cheap. Why not just put parasail/parachutes on each one and either glide them somewhere specific or catch them out of midair. Whatever it doesn’t matter starship is on its way

[Anonymous No.11784819]

>>11784723
Bobs Rattlybits-dyne Cosmdrome

Theoretically speaking, what would ISS do when somebody showed up unscheduled in his pimped out '91 Townace? Would they grant him to dock and chill out?

[Anonymous No.11784827]

>>11782301
Who cares? I hope it's a black gay woman to suck as many people into space enthusiasm as possible and irritate /pol/.

[Anonymous No.11784828]

>>11784812
>Gah damn I take back what I said about them being cheap. Why not just put parasail/parachutes on each one and either glide them somewhere specific or catch them out of midair.

Seawater is corrosive

[Anonymous No.11784831]

>>11784819
>Invent low temperature superconductivity
>Make car

Very Ameican, I like it. Also they would welcome him, but I don't see this senario happenin

[Anonymous No.11784835]

>>11784827
You obviously care since you have enough spite to suggest such a thing.

[Anonymous No.11784857]

>>11783500
the MMU was cool as fuck they should of kept using it

[Anonymous No.11784862]

>>11784835
What if I brought them some ram upgrades and SSD's for their gazillion Thinkpads as a show of good will?

[Anonymous No.11784864]

when are they testing SN5?

[Anonymous No.11784868]

Rocket lab launch in 5 min if you guys care about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zzu7hI0ESM

[Anonymous No.11784871]

>>11783500
>Only EVA to have three people outside all at the same time: some Shuttle mission from the mid-90s where they physically grabbed a giant satellite with their "bare" hands.
Cool.

[Anonymous No.11784873]

>>11784868
Thank you sir!

[Anonymous No.11784875]

nasa is wasting it's time with mars rovers. they should spend their time focused on building a sensor network around mars for weather. a global duststorm can kill a colony.

[Anonymous No.11784876]

>>11784868
Thanks anon! Very cool.
Unironically hope they make it to orbit. Have they gone orbital before? IIRC it keeps exploding or failing to inject itself

[Anonymous No.11784883]

>>11783805
>Of course you can go for the much lower specific power option of a microfission nuclear pulse rocket, which operates like a Z pinch rocket but using uranium or plutonium instead of deuterium, so it's much easier. Shit gets you 0.1 g acceleration at >100,000 isp, which at 20% propellant by mass would afford you about 220,000 m/s of delta V, easily enabling fast trajectories to anywhere in the solar system with high payload mass fractions.
If you can get the Plasma Magnet Sail working that's less than 50kg and gets you solar wind speed away from the sun, or ~400km/s. Then you can use that same engine to brake.

[Anonymous No.11784888]

>>11784876
they have a few times I believe

[Anonymous No.11784889]

>>11784888
Yep, they've done cubesat bus dedicated launches before.

[Anonymous No.11784891]

>>11784260
YBCO lets you build magnets that can fold open and let you replace the pressure vessel every few years as needed. This lets you optimize for cost and not have to worry about designing the pressure vessel for 30+ year operating lifetimes.

[Anonymous No.11784892]

>>11784876
Like 10 times

[Anonymous No.11784897]

>>11784365
Martian life will not be able to out-compete Earth life in any aspect for the same reason that cacti don't out-compete trees in a rainforest.

[Anonymous No.11784898]

>>11784260
tokamaks are gay, SFS Z-Pinch is the new hotness

[Anonymous No.11784900]

Stream is LIVE

https://youtu.be/-zzu7hI0ESM

[Anonymous No.11784905]

one electron every 18 days, that's pretty good

[Anonymous No.11784906]

>sunset launch
kino

[Anonymous No.11784907]

Looking for the Trump spaceX ad that youtube flagged so I can show a friend, anyone got it by chance?

[Anonymous No.11784909]

JESUS FUCK MAN GET THE SALIVA OUT OF YOUR MOUTH

[Anonymous No.11784913]

>>11784907
It didn't get flagged, it was taken down by the uploader. Just google "Make Space Great Again" to find a mirror.

[Anonymous No.11784914]

>8.2k on estronaut stream
>1.7k on official stream

[Anonymous No.11784916]

>>11784907
>>11784913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5jhYuRUlJ8

[Anonymous No.11784920]

>>11784694
>How come no one has made an aerospike yet?
This is why. Unless you're building something that spends a lot of time burning both at high ambient pressure and at zero ambient pressure, using an aerospike is actually a performance detriment, because an optimized bell nozzle always out performs it.

[Anonymous No.11784923]

>>11784883
Nobody gives a shit about your meme sail.

[Anonymous No.11784924]

>>11784913
>>11784916
Gratzi frens

[Anonymous No.11784925]

HOLD HOLD HOLD

[Anonymous No.11784926]

>>11784914
official stream has more viewers now

[Anonymous No.11784929]

i feel bad for rocket lab, not having anything cool or sexy to show. Just your avg cubesat launch vehicle

[Anonymous No.11784931]

>tfw came back from making food
>saw helicopters over water on the stream
>thought it crashed

[Anonymous No.11784934]

>>11784929
Hard to scale up electric turbopumps and parachutes.

[Anonymous No.11784935]

>>11784929
muh battery swap

>>11784931
what did you make anon

[Anonymous No.11784936]

IT'S OGRE

[Anonymous No.11784937]

LAUNCH IT AUUUUUUUUUUGH

[Anonymous No.11784938]

>>11784929
>avg cubesat launch vehicle
It's one of only a few on the market and probably the most advanced. Better than what Blue Origin's got.

[Anonymous No.11784939]

>>11784925
ULA HAS GONE GLOBAL

[Anonymous No.11784943]

>hold for wind
boooooo

[Anonymous No.11784944]

whhhhhiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

hold your launch whhhhhhhiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Anonymous No.11784945]

IMAGINE CANCELLING A FUCKING ROCKET BECAUSE OF A FUCKING BREEZE OH NO NO NO WAIT AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA SOYUZ CHAD WIN AGAINNNNN HOLY SHIT WE ARE SO FUCKING TIRED OF WINNING

[Anonymous No.11784946]

>>11784938
Sad but true. Will we all jump on the Blue Origin train if they ever jump on the ball and do something? Quite frankly they are fucking lazy and with their little BLM twitter stunt I just see them as another virtue signaling company with money

[Anonymous No.11784948]

OOF I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA HOOOOOOOOOOOOLD

Why the fuck would you build a launch facility in this place, the whole country is windy as fuck all the time

>t. Nzfag

[Anonymous No.11784947]

>>11784935
>what did you make anon
heated up lentil chicken soup
>>11784936
>>11784937
>>11784943
noooooooooooooooooooo

[Anonymous No.11784950]

>>11784945
it's on hold you sperg

[Anonymous No.11784953]

>>11784947
>lentil chicken soup
Canned or homemade?

>>11784948
>Why the fuck would you build a launch facility in this place
Lots of orbit inclinations that can be reached and cheap real estate is my understanding. IIRC their second launch site will be at the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport in Virginia.

[Anonymous No.11784955]

>>11784948
they have a 2nd pad in wallops, USA now

[Anonymous No.11784957]

>>11784953
why, homemade of course
>>11784950
>the eternal holder
it'll be scrubbed 100%

[Anonymous No.11784961]

>nighttime launch
kino

[Anonymous No.11784965]

>>11784946
New Glenn will be an exciting rocket. Hopefully they've diverted effort towards it, and I feel like they have with the pad construction the lack of NS launches. However, I'm concerned that competing for the Falcon Heavy's market is a bad idea, and the couple launches it might perform in a year will only be sustainable with Bezos' infinitely deep pockets.

[Anonymous No.11784967]

>>11784953
>cheap real estate

Thoroughly incorrect, although their land used to be part of a big lot owned by a local tribe so usually when that happens you can get land for the price of a few shiny bmws and a yacht or two for the elders.

[Anonymous No.11784970]

>>11784961
why dont they do more night time launches? Shit is cash money

[Anonymous No.11784973]

>>11784938
>The virgin BO
>The chad multinational Rocketery Laboratories

Imagine having literal billions of dollars ready to be funnelled into your rocket company and getting BTFO by this, holy shit.

[Anonymous No.11784975]

To get the fleet of starships to mars, we must defeat the wind menace once and for all

[Anonymous No.11784982]

>>11784916
>go on video
>see heaps and heaps of "ORANGE MAN BAAAAAAD!!!"
I wish Trump was as fascist as they claim he is, maybe these morons would finally be quieted. I worry that space travel will bring these MSM zombies and spread their infectious idiocy. Even inbred Cletus and the rest of his trailer park community have some sort of critical thinking.

[Anonymous No.11784983]

>>11784975
Then everything changed when the air nation attacked

[Anonymous No.11784987]

>>11784975
We already have, Starship is thiccer than Saturn V, and that fucker kept flying after getting struck by lighting. Twice.

[Anonymous No.11785006]

Hi-tech launch site, or rebel oil refinery in a Bolivian jungle? You be the judge

[Anonymous No.11785007]

>>11784975
We must break wind.

[Anonymous No.11785008]

Fucking
FLY IT ALREADY YOU CUNTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Anonymous No.11785015]

>>11785006
Fucking Belters.

[Anonymous No.11785020]

how much longer is the window?

[Anonymous No.11785029]

Stream getting trippy

[Anonymous No.11785035]

>Rocket named "Don't Stop Me Now"
>stopped by wind

[Anonymous No.11785038]

>>11785020
13 days

[Anonymous No.11785039]

>>11785035
better than getting stopped by AIDS

[Anonymous No.11785050]

>>11785035
It got stopped by covid for multiple months. Possibly the most stopped Electron launch ever.

[Anonymous No.11785051]

This ambient music is kino. I would love a livestream of this music with the future Starship shipyard... just a bunch of ships sitting out waiting to be launched throughout the Solar System

[Anonymous No.11785055]

>>11785050
I still hate that Bigelow Aerospace basically got anal raped by that dumb quarantine.
>For once, it was Dr. Bigelow receiving the dosage

[Anonymous No.11785057]

>>11785006
the fuck is going on with the see-through black on some of the people? A poor attempt at hiding their identities?

[Anonymous No.11785066]

>>11785057
They’re five-dimensional beings. The camera doesn’t know how to render them so only black shows up

[Anonymous No.11785075]

>>11784975
Gone with the wind

[Anonymous No.11785081]

COUNTDOWN RESUMES

[Anonymous No.11785082]

cool shit
https://youtu.be/fqlAdvNiZrA

[Anonymous No.11785084]

>>11785055
it was already struggling desu-the tech will probably get picked up since it's so good.

[Anonymous No.11785093]

will rocket launch watching still be a thing when rocket launches are happening as often as aircraft flights?

[Anonymous No.11785101]

>>11785093
yeah for cool or rare rockets, not for lame rockets

[Anonymous No.11785103]

>>11784727
>>11784721
>>11784717
>>11784711
>>11784708
I fucking love that they are focusing on manufacturing for the design. That means when it is finished they will be able to pump them out like shermans.

[Anonymous No.11785104]

>>11785093
yes, they will always be a special event no matter the launch

[Anonymous No.11785111]

whole lotta pixels in that room

[Anonymous No.11785112]

3 MINUTES WHERE ARE YOU AT /sfg/BROS!?!?!?

[Anonymous No.11785114]

>>11785112
ABORT

[Anonymous No.11785115]

oh no no no

[Anonymous No.11785117]

BLUE BALLS FUCK

[Anonymous No.11785119]

>>11785093
Yes
>t. planefag

[Anonymous No.11785121]

AHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA

[Anonymous No.11785122]

imagine getting cucked by WIND lmao

[Anonymous No.11785124]

>>11785122
It's Mother Nature BRAAAAPing on your rocket phallus.

[Anonymous No.11785130]

Who would win
/sfg/s hopes and dreams
or
a fucking breeze

[Anonymous No.11785138]

bro just put a jacket on the rocket

[Anonymous No.11785142]

Someone get Trump to fire up HAARP and help the kiwis out

[Anonymous No.11785148]

>>11785112
goddamn THESE FUCKING WINDS

[Anonymous No.11785150]

>>11785149
>>11785149
>>11785149
migrate quick

[Anonymous No.11785200]

GAWD
FUCKIN
DAMMIT

[Anonymous No.11785421]

>>11784723
It's Elon's Junkyard & Spaceship Parts.

[Anonymous No.11785471]

>>11783730
Hyperloops, son. Atmosphere is already a near-vacuum so you don‘t need the shitty tube.