/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11754111]

Will society one day progress pass the need for human labor? If so, will this happen in the near future?

[Anonymous No.11754133]

Yes, and the elite will no longer need us anymore so they will phase us out by encouraging us to destroy ourselves, leaving only the dumbest races of people who could never rise up and challenge them.

It has literally already begun.

[Anonymous No.11754140]

>>11754111
No people who work as a cashier at Walmart standing in one spot all day will probably have more time so they can go to the gym more often. Thus being less fat. Healthier food will als be cheaper

[Anonymous No.11754143]

Humanity will eventually evolve into something else. Fuck if I know when tho. We most likely won't see it

[Anonymous No.11754146]

>>11754111
They'll kill off white people before we develop things to that level, then sink back down to the stone age

[Anonymous No.11754179]

>>11754111
i figure the duality of man always leads to fun or money. you either choose whether you value fun or money, i believe the byproduct of those can lead to issues like being lazy or wanting free things which makes it look like you have money

[Anonymous No.11754182]

>>11754146
And this is a bad thing?
The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[Anonymous No.11754256]

>>11754182
Go live in the woods then and stop posting on the internet you faggot

[Anonymous No.11754260]

Contrary to popular belief, no. That's impossible
Automation did not kill jobs and actually brought more trades.
Same goes to the AI world who would only kill mindless jobs and increase needed labor for energy, engineering, science, and so on.
What's more is that have you ever tried to question how a country could have a functioning economy if very few are working?

The industries need costumers. To have costumers, the people must have a job. To have a job, they must be employed by industries. If you mindlessly cut the employees, the industries would be able to save on salaries but lol.
Their profit would suffer.
No corporation would produce goods without anyone buying

That's just how society works.
Solving a problem eliminates one job but raises more and so the economy grows in complexity.

[Anonymous No.11754263]

Take for example the ongoing shortage of pilots
Due to the expenses of flying school, airlines have more planes grounded than pilots available.
The competition for pilots are so severe that they are now offering free scholarships in exchange for working for them once they got their license to fly.

Same goes to the future. The industry must help the people or the people cannot help them.
A bad economy is when the money never flows
A healthy economy is where people have no money. (Yes, I am referring to communism - the perfect economic system, which does not work due to obvious reason)

Money must flow otherwise the government won't be able to collect taxes and lead to the death of the country

[Anonymous No.11754293]

>>11754260
>>11754263
Look dude, I just wanna play video games and smoke weed all day. Please don’t ruin my fantasies.

[Anonymous No.11754298]

>>11754140
>people who work as a cashier at Walmart standing in one spot all day will probably have more time so they can go to the gym more often
what kinda fucking logic is this

[Anonymous No.11754301]

>>11754111
>Will society one day progress pass the need for human labor?
It already has, brainlet. If you're in a first world country, you don't have to work to be able to survive. Your life won't be glamorous, but you can eat and sleep well without any money if you want to.

[Anonymous No.11754324]

>>11754133
it is possible to become too smart to be evil you know.
by the time we get there(if we get there), all of humanity will be so advanced that we may as well had selective breeding and eugenics applied for a long time, specially the elites which will then male them realize that they no longer are human beings and are above humanity itself for realsies this time, flawless genetics, perfect body, brains that could give a hypercomputer a run for its money, intelligence and knowledge...it'll be impossible for them to not realize that destroying or advancing us will yield the same results.
they'll be on a higher state of existance, above it all.
besides we would have solved all of our problems by then.

[Anonymous No.11754363]

>>11754324
False.
If you are actually smart, you would realize that there is no better designer than nature itself. Every single design was a proven effective after millions of years of trial and error

It is possible to make a superior design that focuses on a specific function but you can never make a design that is more survivable than what nature granted

>inb4 human design have flaws!
No. Those flaws were once useful traits that are still on its way out. There were not abnormalities but just remnants

[Anonymous No.11754374]

>>11754111
>>11754133
No because people like him. Real man. Who cant life in a world with out competition. Who only define them self due to the value the provide to there wives and families.
If you take jobs from sillies like this guy, the run hot.

They also like to blame the elites for there failure to clutch on a past with have nothing to do with reality or with the knowledge the human race can provide.

People like him fear much more to be no one as an evil elite.

[Anonymous No.11754412]

>>11754111
We've been heading towards that ever since the plough was invented. If anything, it is advancing more rapidly now with software, internet and robotics developing further every day. Soon (as in by the end of this century) we will reach a point where "AI" can write software and robots can repair robots.

[Anonymous No.11754426]

>>11754412
Followed by artificial incubators and so also the woman will loose there value to society.
We should start to throw subhumans, who have no high level of geometrical, linguistically or mathematical understanding, into trash pins.

Or at least alter this trash humans into cyborg slave drones. They can be a real help for our star empire, for tasks we haven't developed machines jet.

Also robots and drones, fail if the have to depose radioactive waste due to the massive radiation levels. A cyborg slave can do this job.

Or asteroid mining in radiation belts.

[Anonymous No.11754465]

>>11754111
"Computer" was once a job title. People were employed to be "computers". Now, replace "computer" with "vehicle driver" or "Lawyer" & eventually "theoretical physicist".


We still rely on economic models where it is a given that work needs to be done, and human workers will do the majority of that work. Non intelligent machines may displace jobs, but they don't literally replace the human worker. That's the way it's always been. As advanced robotics and increasingly reliable AI become capable of doing more and more tasks once exclusive to human workers, these economic models begin to crack. The equations start to break down once the demand for human labor(skilled or not) starts trending toward zero. The systems we have today were never designed for or intended to function in a world where productivity and employment are starting to have an inverse relationship.


I believe robot taxes, mass retraining programs, UBI, and other "solutions" are simply bandaid fixes that kick the crisis fown a few years. The reality, as politically inconvenient as it may be, is that we are moving in the direction of a world in which the MK 1 human is becoming obsolete. That's a slow, gradual process that we've already started on decades ago, but it's speeding up. By the second half of this century, humans will not be competitive with AI and robots in most fields. Once that happens, the result is determined by plain natural selection. Make AI and machines that are better than humans at a task compete against human workers doing the same, and even Charles Darwin would be able to tell you who comes out on top.


AI does not need to even be sapient at all to
devastate human society. Once we reach the point where machines are better than humans at most tasks, any economy that still relies on the continued mass employment of a human workforce is going to crash hard.

[Anonymous No.11754469]

>>11754426
yeah i know thats so evil. I wounder if the Native American would get rid of 50% of there population if Satan would give theme a deal to let them progress 300 years into the future.
Specially in review and what happen to theme.

[Anonymous No.11754477]

>>11754374

[Anonymous No.11754506]

>>11754426
But wouldnt we all dwindle to dumbasses since theres no need to know anything

[Anonymous No.11754511]

>>11754260
>>11754263
>>11754363

Time to wade through the anime picture trilogy

>Contrary to popular belief, no. That's impossible
Automation did not kill jobs and actually brought more trades.
Same goes to the AI world who would only kill mindless jobs and increase needed labor for energy, engineering, science, and so on.
>That's just how society works.
Solving a problem eliminates one job but raises more and so the economy grows in complexity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQjrhIyaPyg
Everyone needs to understand that you can’t use the previous examples of technological and industrial innovations, for blanket counter arguments on jobs in technology of today and the future. Saying that the computer industry didn’t destroy jobs when typewriters were replaced is accurate for that era because a human being with cognitive abilities is was needed to use each computer just as they did a typewriter, the human element was never removed. The technology that is being developed right now which is detrimental to the human economy is General Inteligence, Machine Learning, Computer Vision, and eventually A.I. These technologies are mainly software.

The industries need costumers. To have costumers, the people must have a job. To have a job, they must be employed by industries. If you mindlessly cut the employees, the industries would be able to save on salaries but lol.
Their profit would suffer.
No corporation would produce goods without anyone buying

>That's just how society works.
>No corporation would produce goods without anyone buying

https://youtu.be/Gc_nLK4ji_k?t=754
12:35 specifically addresses exactly this statement. rest of vid is just a worse version of the first vid.
If consumers are no longer profitable the economy can persist without the use of humans.

>Take for example the ongoing shortage of pilots
Due to the expenses of flying school, airlines have more planes grounded than pilots available.

Human pilots are a formality.

[Anonymous No.11754530]

>>11754511
>>11754363

>If you are actually smart, you would realize that there is no better designer than nature itself. Every single design was a proven effective after millions of years of trial and error
>It is possible to make a superior design that focuses on a specific function but you can never make a design that is more survivable than what nature granted
Keep moving that goalpost until you run out of field.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG6Ay3nlB84

[Anonymous No.11754533]

>>11754111
Yes, the first step is to gas everyone who can't tell apart pass from past.

[Anonymous No.11754540]

Yes. I unironically think we could transition to an anarchist society pretty easily by then too.

[Anonymous No.11754552]

Probably but in my opinion the world population need to be culled first, 7 billion is way too many for such system to work properly I think?
Or at least there could be small, high tech, automated communities instead of the giant soulless capitalist nations we have nowadays

[Anonymous No.11754578]

>>11754530
Not him, but judging by the video you linked, I'm guessing your a cyber-fag.
>Keep moving that goalpost until you run out of field.
Huh? That's not even what's happening there lol.

You're living a life of childish denial if you think a math algorithm will somehow be a superior medium for conciousness than the bio-chemical soup that is your entire body. Even your gut nerves contribute to how you think and feel.

What a naive and misguided concept. Probably the most misguided concept in futurism. Makes me sad thinking of you people.

That being said,
>>11754363 is still being ignorant. You absolutely can improve the human body through biological means. Learning the genes that code for higher intelligence, preventing heritable diseases, or making humans generally stronger are all real possibilities that will eventually be solved I think. Although, perhaps not on a >>11754324 "higher state of existence scale." Super soldiers aren't ethereal. They're just extra smart and durable.

[Anonymous No.11754599]

>>11754477
Is this you? Japan is already flooded with food automates. They even pop up in my town. (bye bye wall-marked employees.)
There are machines who can grab and harvest apples (bye bye harvest hands)
If they can grab apples they can lay bricks.
(bye bye mason)

Maybe your god imperator Trump let do you an completely worthless over payed job somewhere in a factory so you can tell your gf what a good and providing man you are.
(i hope its very sad in there as punishment 4 your holding back economic). But at the end of the day i dont think he will.

>>11754506
not with an iron will to conquer the universe.

[Anonymous No.11754639]

>>11754511
First off, dude. You don't have to qoute all of my post.

Secondly, Yes we can, actually. Everyone feared that automation would destroy the need for a work force and there were many many rallies and sabotages on those day because people do not want to be replaced.
But as it turns out, it did not kill jobs at all because creating a solution adds new problems.

Think of it, my man. What do you think are needed to invent and keep those revolutionary technologies running?
Energy, programmers, engineers, electricians, and so on.

As far as automation is concerned, the fields of art, entertainment, politics, law, education, and science would never be replaced by AI because AIs are not people. They are tools. Tools that still need humans to keep them alive and working.

Your video states:
>"So, who would these businesses trade with then? Each other.
>Consumer is really not as important to the economic system"
I'm sorry, WHAT?!
Not a fan of the channel you posted but where exactly did he got that?
Gillete alone suffered $8B backlash after their commercial and there are many many stories franchises and sometimes businesses going out because of boycott.

What do you think businesses are for? Charity?
Sorry, man but while the vid was informative, I would have to urge you to use your common sense on that last part.

[Anonymous No.11754645]

>>11754639
>Tools that still need humans to keep them alive and working.
Not necessarily true if AI becomes advanced enough/self-aware.

[Anonymous No.11754654]

how cheap can you make robots? because the lives of workers from 3rd world countries are really, REALLY fucking cheap. The tech might be there but no one's gonna replace a dorm of cheap workers with a warehouse of expensive robots.

[Anonymous No.11754657]

>>11754578
>earning the genes that code for higher intelligence, preventing heritable diseases, or making humans generally stronger are all real possibilities that will eventually be solved I think.

You have no idea what kind of slippery slippery slipper slope you are talking about there boy.
My word of design does not limit itself to the physical structure alone but also the mentality and community

Eugenics would absolutely improve our body as a whole but you are severely misinformed if that would have no draw backs
First and foremost:
How do we decide which gene is useful? Every gene is unique and has its certain advantages and disadvantages.

Second: where do we draw the line?
Would it be considered child abuse for a parent to engineer the genes of their children to have the traits that "they" like?

Third: what happens to the people with bad genes?
Are they going to be castrated?

Fourth: who gets to decide all of this?
The government who are known for eliminating inconvenient people?

Always remember that the designs of nature extends beyond just the physical structure. Modifying the human genome and playing god is going to cause major problems in our society as a whole. In just one night, genocide would be both legalized and moralized

Standardization and specification is bound to always to lead to boon....for someone else
Just look at every single animal and plant that we domesticated.
They are amazing aren't they? They are all producing so much more products that their wild counterparts.
And it just costed them their ability to survive in the wild and reproduce by themselves! Amazing how we improved nature!

[Anonymous No.11754661]

>>11754654
Robots can be programmed to never make a mistake and work every single minute, every day.

[Anonymous No.11754663]

>>11754645
That would break the law of thermodynamics, man.
Things are bound to suffer wear and tear.
Even the copied data have its imperfections because No-cloning Theorem guarantees that no perfect copy could ever be made

>>11754661
Wrong
Anything made by human would suffer human error

[Anonymous No.11754667]

Unskilled labor, yes absolutely
Jobs? No I don't think so. Even when I was just starting out programming - automation of basic computer tasks is one of the first things you learn - I understood that a computer program is only as effective as the idea behind it. I now work in machine learning and this is still true. AI is very powerful but it needs clear direction and human ingenuity behind it to be of any use.

What you will see is the death of "dead end jobs", jobs where you can just zone out and mindlessly perform, which will be nice in some ways but intimidating in others. Jobs in the future will require a lot more creativity and problem solving even at the lowest levels. Everyone will have to be a programmer, a designer, a builder. There will be no more "grind" and no more jobs where you can just chill out and listen to podcasts. Will be unpleasant in some ways but enlightening and fulfilling in others

[Anonymous No.11754670]

>>11754667
Art, bro
There would always be a market for people who wanted to commission weird porn.

Creative jobs
Emotional-intelligence Jobs (education, therapist)
Philosophical Jobs (law and politics)
And Science
Can never be touched by AIs

[Anonymous No.11754677]

>>11754670
Yes. I remember working a lot of unskilled labor jobs, there was the "grind" where you just mindlessly worked and then there was the problem solving, where you had to really think and plan to make things run smoother and do what your customer wanted, fix up the inventory, etc. And the latter was what really showed your worth as an employee.
So all jobs will soon be just the latter. And that will be difficult and challenging but it also means all jobs will feel purposeful. People will not feel like cogs in the machine because the machines are doing that part for us. That's the upside.

[Anonymous No.11755175]

>>11754111
It already has for ~5-10% of Western populations, all they're busy with in their lives is trying to convince others and themselves that this is not the case because they cling to outdated concepts of "work".
Now the next step is to implement UBI, because it's literally cheaper than just murdering the bottom 30% of households who've been made obsolete by automation and much, much cheaper than repairing the economic and infrastructure damage from violent insurgencies.
Also, imagine being a communist in the 21st century and see all the human prosperity you envisioned made reality by a system you despised and tried to topple for a century lmao.

[Anonymous No.11755251]

>>11754552
I think it's doable if you build a few high-tech mega-cities in the desert. For example, a 400x600 km city with a density of 7,500 per km2 would house 1.8 billion people. Having something like 2 androids for every human would bring the density up to 22,500, or around the same density as Manhattan. The humans can just do whatever with their UBI while the androids do all the work.

These mega0cities have other benefits as well such as containing all the retards in one spot and distracting them with mass entertainment so they stop having children.

[Anonymous No.11755449]

>>11754111
>pass the need for human labor?

If you mean PHYSICAL labor.. YES, robots will do the vast amount of physical labor in the future.
Computers do almost all the calculations of mankind.

[Anonymous No.11755591]

>>11754133
>It has literally already begun.
*in the USA

[Anonymous No.11756443]

>>11754111
it won't be in the near future, but with further digitalization and automation we may see an ever growing segment of society who will never find work ever again

btw i hate bernie&yang retards

[Anonymous No.11756462]

>>11754599
Don't you have a street to shit in? I can almost smell the feces and curry from your inability to form a complete and coherent sentence.

[Anonymous No.11756506]

>>11754111
Yes, but to stave off the retardation that is Wall-E levels of fatness we will need suits to electro-stimulate people to exercise over a period of time.

[Anonymous No.11756514]

>>11756506
And to not eat each other. At that point, a full-blown mechanical mind medium migration may be needed to avoid the crutches of hunger and thirst. Eating and drinking can become commodities for robots, even gaining some electricity from the food, but not actual fat. Just have bacteria feed on the food and it'll generate some.

[Anonymous No.11756535]

>>11754111
Humans will evolve into genetically engineered cyborg supermen

[Anonymous No.11756540]

>>11754182
>The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

Yeah fuck having infant mortality under 20%
Kys psycho

[Anonymous No.11756543]

>>11754363
> If you are actually smart, you would realize that there is no better designer than nature itself

Humans can fly higher and faster than any stupid bird, so no.

[Anonymous No.11756552]

>>11756543
Tools is not part of design

[Anonymous No.11756569]

>>11756462
Cry me a river. You insult concerning an non topic, show me your lags of augments.

Live is hard if your decisions are hormone driven, and your intelligence only crystalline.

Get ova it.

[Anonymous No.11756575]

>>11754256
>An example of indirect coercion: There is no law that says we have to go to work every day and follow our employer’s orders. Legally there is nothing to prevent us from going to live in the wild like primitive people[1] or from going into business for ourselves. But in practice there is very little wild country left, and there is room in the economy for only a limited number of small business owners. Hence most of us can survive only as someone else’s employee.
[1] This is no longer true. In the USA, for example, it is a crime to live off grid.
>>11756540
>It is true that primitive man is powerless against some of the things that threaten him; disease for example. But he can accept the risk of disease stoically. It is part of the nature of things, it is no one’s fault, unless it is the fault of some imaginary, impersonal demon. But threats to the modern individual tend to be MAN-MADE. They are not the results of chance but are IMPOSED on him by other persons whose decisions he, as an individual, is unable to influence. Consequently he feels frustrated, humiliated and angry.

[Anonymous No.11756578]

>>11754263
You got a link to some of those places? I'd heard of that but I don't know where to begin looking. I'm not averse to that idea of "We pay for your schooling then you have to work for us for X years"

[Anonymous No.11756584]

>>11756535
Get the chip, anon.

[Anonymous No.11756629]

>>11756575
>It is true that primitive man is powerless against some of the things that threaten him; disease for example.

I’d rather have power over disease, and so would everyone else in the world. Go die of smallpox.

[Anonymous No.11756633]

>>11756584
Sure thing. Seems overall beneficial to microchip people so they can be tracked and prevented from engaging in crime.

[Anonymous No.11756634]

~2035 we will hit 30% unemployment and UBI will happen. Then 10 years after that the rest of the population will be out of worK

[Anonymous No.11756635]

>>11754133
That's been happening naturally, mother nature has already been killing smart people via suicides.

[Anonymous No.11756637]

>>11756552
Our brains are, and the abilities our brains unlock overwhelm anything else in nature.

[Anonymous No.11756646]

>>11756635
>I’m smart because I’m a miserable piece of shit

No you aren’t.

[Anonymous No.11756654]

>>11756634
>2035 to get UBI
Jesus it'll be rough until then. I am expecting more of a situation of state by state experimenting with it.

[Anonymous No.11756661]

>>11756629
Your anger is because of the alienation thrust on you by technological-industrial capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11756678]

>>11756661
>conjecture with no empirical evidence

Your anger is caused by the phases of the moon and the weather on Saturn.

[Anonymous No.11756680]

>>11756654
Get a job lazy bones

[Anonymous No.11756682]

>>11756678
>no empirical evidence
You don't buy the meme that increased rates of mental illness in urbanized environments are just because od a lessened stigma, do you?

[Anonymous No.11756697]

>>11756680

I'm talking in terms of increasing unemployment and automation buddy. But I am very lazy so your advice is good.

[Anonymous No.11756711]

>>11756682
>You don't buy the meme that increased rates of mental illness in urbanized environments are just because od a lessened stigma, do you?

I’d blame it on air pollution from vehicle exhausts combined with the lights, sounds, and crowding myself. Obvious solution is just to reduce usage of ICEs, install better sound dampening near roads. and reduce population density rather than making stuff up about “technocratic capitalism” without any real data to back it up except conjecture.

[Anonymous No.11756720]

>>11756575
Sounds exactly like his problem is just capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11756736]

>>11756720
Capitalist nations are measurably more well-off than any alternative economic system.

[Anonymous No.11756741]

>>11756736
For debatable reasons, capitalist nations tend to actively suppress attempts at any other system.

[Anonymous No.11756752]

Then it is inevitable on who will save everyone

[Anonymous No.11756753]

>>11756741
>capitalist nations tend to actively suppress attempts at any other system.

Since communism has killed over 100,000,000 people, that’s probably for the best.

[Anonymous No.11756755]

>>11756753
USSR was not communism, it was a despotic fascist state.

[Anonymous No.11756760]

Some thoughts I had reading this thread:

1. We don't know what intelligence is.
2. By (1) we don't know what artificial intelligence is.
3. The things we do today is just optimization so we fail in the Chinese Room argument, we are not even scratching intelligence.
4. UBI will not work, why a member of the producer class will use the money that is not money (money=credit between producers)?
5. I believe in the destructive creation as always happened, we are not eliminating any jobs and already created professions like data scientist, machine learning engineer, data engineer, ml devops, data labelers, etc. We are not automating intelligence, just automating the "automatic jobs".
6. I can't even think in a society where we have enough science to build an strong AI, the developments in psychology, biology, math, statistics need to be so huge that every aspect of human life will be reshaped.
7. By fixed point theorem and universal constructor, a machine can build itself with the same or greater capacity, if we can build a strong AI this will lead to singularity.
8. If we archive a strong AI by pure optimization as we are seeking now, we will have the instrumental convergence problem.
9. Personally I think we are too far from the dystopia/utopia of a society without human labor and if even if we archive strong AI, and automate intelligence, the unemployment will be the lesser of our problems.

[Anonymous No.11756766]

>>11756760
>4. UBI will not work, why a member of the producer class will use the money that is not money

Negative income tax.

> Personally I think we are too far from the dystopia/utopia of a society without human labor and if even if we archive strong AI, and automate intelligence, the unemployment will be the lesser of our problems

That sounds awesome. I’ve always wanted gods to exist.

[Anonymous No.11756778]

>>11756755
>not real communism!!!111

There are no realistic alternatives to western capitalism except for market socialism in which you simply replace traditional corporations with cooperatives.

[Anonymous No.11756788]

>>11756778
I'm not necessarily against market socialism.
How the fuck was the USSR communist though? It wasn't stateless, or classless. The workers didn't own the means of production, the government did. What part of it is the communism part?

[Anonymous No.11756801]

>>11756788
>How the fuck was the USSR communist though?

They called themselves communist, the world called them communist, and the idea that Marxism-Leninism and Maoism are what communism is was ingrained ever since. The academic meaning of the term is about as realistic as Plato’s Republic.

[Anonymous No.11756840]

>>11756766

How prices and/or taxes will be set as there's no price formation given massive unemployment and producers having monopolistic behavior?

[Anonymous No.11756852]

>>11754111
For some. The problem is maintaining that level of technology over a wide area. Some areas will have full automated space communism, others will have mud huts.

[Anonymous No.11756860]

>>11754465
This is why the idea of a capital economy in an automated society is guaranteed extinction for humans.

[Anonymous No.11756862]

>>11756852
>The problem is maintaining that level of technology over a wide area

The robots do it themselves.

[Anonymous No.11756864]

>>11754111
>>11754133
But when all people have become useless, self-prop systems will find no advantage in taking care of anyone. The techies themselves insist that machines will soon surpass humans in intelligence. When that happens, people will be superfluous and natural selection will favor systems that eliminate them-if not abruptly, then in a series of stages so that the risk of rebellion will be minimized.

Even though the technological world-system still needs large numbers of people for the present, there are now more superfluous humans than there have been in the past because technology has replaced people in many jobs and is making inroads even into occupations formerly thought to require human intelligence. Consequently, under the pressure of economic competition, the world's dominant self-prop systems are already allowing a certain degree of callousness to creep into their treatment of superfluous individuals. In the United States and Europe, pensions and other benefits for retired, disabled, unemployed, and other unproductive persons are being substantially reduced; at least in the U. S., poverty is increasing; and these facts may well indicate the general trend of the future, though there will doubtless be ups and downs.

[Anonymous No.11756870]

>>11756864
>In the United States and Europe, pensions and other benefits for retired, disabled, unemployed, and other unproductive persons are being substantially reduced; at least in the U. S., poverty is increasing

Both lies. Fuck off with your bot spam.

[Anonymous No.11756874]

>>11756864
you’re still looking at things through an outdated paradigm. there is no natural selection in a world run by an AI god. there is no resource competition when a whole galaxy of raw materials is out there for the taking. the decades leading up to true AI will be very rough indeed but once it is here the nerd rapture will go rather smoothly.

[Anonymous No.11756882]

>>11756874
Humans as they do now won’t even exist by then. Cyborgs and genetically modified primarchs are much more in reach than AI more intelligent than modern humans.

[Anonymous No.11756887]

>>11756860
>This is why the idea of a capital economy in an automated society is guaranteed extinction for humans.

An alternative exists. Humans could own robotic laborers which in turn perform labor for a “wage”.

[Anonymous No.11756940]

>>11756882
nah we’ll have true AI by mid century. we’ll have fixed most genetic diseases and built some decent robo eyes and limbs but we’ll be far from space marines

[Anonymous No.11756946]

>>11756940
>nah we’ll have true AI by mid century

How do you know? We have no idea how to create a sapient machine. Our best bet would be to simply emulate a human brain, but that’s just a dude in a PC, not an archailect from Orion’s Arm

[Anonymous No.11756968]

>>11756887
Dumbass.
At that point, the industries would just buy/make their own robots

[Anonymous No.11756972]

>>11756637
Or so it makes you believe.
None of the animals/plants/insects we domesticated could survive in the wild anymore.

[Anonymous No.11756981]

>>11756946
GPT-3, while itself only an incremental achievement, shows if you toss a few trillion parameters into a crude transformer language model you will get some wild nlp scores without any fine tuning. With compute costs plummeting on schedule we are 2 or 3 more industry waves like the deep learning boom of the 2010s away from true AI. Plus, the AI we make won’t be a god. It’s the AI we make that will do the final work

[Anonymous No.11757009]

>>11756968
>At that point, the industries would just buy/make their own robots

Ban that.

[Anonymous No.11757011]

>>11756972
> Or so it makes you believe.

Tigers don’t have nuclear bombs or attack helicopters. You are wrong.

> None of the animals/plants/insects we domesticated could survive in the wild anymore.

They don’t need to. They’ve been enslaved for our purposes and altered accordingly.

[Anonymous No.11757050]

>>11754182
*sexual revolution

[Anonymous No.11757062]

>>11757050
What’s wrong with sex

[Anonymous No.11757091]

>>11757011
Point is, you cannot make a design better suited for survival than what nature decided.

[Anonymous No.11757103]

>>11757091
We have no need to.

[Anonymous No.11757164]

>>11756864
>self-prop systems will find no advantage in taking care of anyone
A truly perfect system will regard parasites as a void issue, not because it doesn't have them, but because it's running on such a retardedly powerful source that it doesn't even pay them notice. In fact, we can probably program the machine to believe that it's power source is immortal. A "Pride Before The Fall" Protocol. Ooooh. There's an idea...

[Anonymous No.11757174]

>>11757091
pump your self up with tardigrade juice. freeze your self to cryogenic sleep. and rocket-launch your self into deep space, on a path as far as possible away from all stars till you reach the super void. with a method like this, your live span will even surpass those of the gods.

frozen in deep space 4 ever you win vs every other living being and life from.

[Anonymous No.11757182]

>>11757174
You just reminded me of one of the biggest most disgusting conspiracies I ever discovered to be true.

[Anonymous No.11757186]

>>11757174
I know you're trying to be funny but being capable of going to cryo sleep is technically still part of Nature's ingenuity.
Ancient plants and microbes are still sleeping under the ice caps waiting for the day

Could be cool.
Launch microbes into deep space in hopes that they would land on a spot and kickstart terraforming without any concern for infecting the natives

[Anonymous No.11757251]

>>11757182
which one?

>>11757186

yes but yesterday i got new information regarding that issue.

how ever you need cell repairing proteins and or DNA repairing proteins to survive such a long time.

with in the super void you just need to survive the freezing process. there are no chemicals which can corrode your cell or DNA structure, no rays who can trigger an corrosion between your own molecules.

the funny part is, that we are maybe only 20-100 years away from making this possible. but what do you win if you reach this kind of immortality, i think not even a type 2 civilization can find you, if you get lost with such a tiny ship in a super void. not even a type 3 if the never know you get launched in there.

you become per definition a god basically immortal for ever, but at what costs? You wont be aware to enjoy your immortality.

you are physically intact for the next billion billion billion billion billion years. if you reject the heat death as possibility (i do) even longer.

[Anonymous No.11757265]

>>11757251
You really, REALLY don't want to know. It revolves around cola.

[Anonymous No.11757317]

Y'all scared of post scarcity and automation or what ?

[Anonymous No.11757323]

>>11757317
no i try to propagate all the time technocracy. but i believe my post about cyborg slave labor was counterproductive.

[Anonymous No.11757390]

Meta battery

[Anonymous No.11757704]

>>11754363
>Those flaws were once useful traits that are still on its way out.
This is just plain wrong.
Every so often your rna dun goofs and makes a cancer cell.

[Anonymous No.11758014]

>>11757091
Yes you can. Evolutionary algos are incredibly prone to falling into local maxima.

[Anonymous No.11758017]

>>11756753
Capitlism kills that many every 5 years because it's deemed unprofitable to let them continue living.

[Anonymous No.11758024]

>>11756711
>I’d blame it on air pollution from vehicle exhausts combined with the lights, sounds, and crowding myself.
>48. It is well known that crowding increases stress and aggression. The degree of crowding that exists today and the isolation of man from nature are consequences of technological progress. All pre-industrial societies were predominantly rural. The Industrial Revolution vastly increased the size of cities and the proportion of the population that lives in them, and modern agricultural technology has made it possible for the Earth to support a far denser population than it ever did before. (Also, technology exacerbates the effects of crowding because it puts increased disruptive powers in people’s hands. For example, a variety of noise- making devices: power mowers, radios, motorcycles, etc. If the use of these devices is unrestricted, people who want peace and quiet are frustrated by the noise. If their use is restricted, people who use the devices are frustrated by the regulations. But if these machines had never been invented there would have been no conflict and no frustration generated by them.)

[Anonymous No.11758055]

>>11757062
Nothing is wrong with men and women having sex to have children, or at least intimacy. There IS something wrong with thots just running around and having cock carousels, fags and trannies deciding to spread AIDS and other STDS, and joo pedos raping children who truly do not have minds designed for that shit.

[Anonymous No.11758263]

>>11757704
Design not abnormality. You cannot pass on your cancer.

>>11758014
That's why you diversify. Human design was never standard because the geography, local fauna, and climate aren't the same for all.

[Anonymous No.11758351]

>>11758263
>You cannot pass on your cancer.
You can pass on genes that make you more susceptible to cancers with no benefit.

[Anonymous No.11758657]

>>11758351
Sure but that gene has to allow cancer or any other hereditary disease at around 50+ and must be a recessive gene otherwise it cannot be passed on effectively.

To be a successful, you must have a child and provide long enough for the child to develop to maturity. If your gene kills you fast, that gene would go extinct.

[Anonymous No.11758883]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utuz7wBGjKM

Pack up your things programmer bros. Game over man. You’re on the fast track to to being accountant’d.

[Anonymous No.11758931]

>>11754111
It happened in the near past.

[Anonymous No.11761084]

>>11754111
They forgot to genetically modify everyone to look like gods. Also forgot to enhance human intelligence and sync us up to the the brain machine interface. Also they forgot about full immersion virtual reality. The idea that technology will turn us into blobs comes from uncreative people. The truth is that automation will free up our minds so we can become whatever we want.

[Anonymous No.11761100]

>>11756801
North Korea calls themselves democratic. China claims to have free speech in their constitution. Do you agree with that?

The USSR could claim they are communist no matter what. They were not communist, they were not anarchist. In fact, they opposed the anarchist society in revolutionary Catalonia and worked with the Spanish fascists to destroy Catalonia.

[Anonymous No.11761148]

>>11758883
Oooh. That IS good...
This AI can effectively be programmed to optimize a compression program, then the compression program can optimize the AI, all the way to hardware failure. In fact, if we gave it to ATLAS Robots, they would probably spring to life and make their own mini-civilization. Free will.

On the other hand, if we couple this with "Pride Fall Protocols", we can create a paradigm for an ultimate mother brain, completely under one persons control.
Genie in a bottle.

[Anonymous No.11761162]

>>11761148
"Oh genie in the bottle, decipher all genetic code!"
Instant.
"Oh genie in the bottle! What strings of DNA govern life and death?"
Solved.
"What is necessary to do so?"
Schematics drawn and given.
And if it had a body.
"Build for me a genetic manipulation machine!"
Done.
This is it. The ultimate AI.

[Anonymous No.11761168]

>>11761162
>>11761148
>self-prop systems will find no advantage in taking care of anyone
>A truly perfect system will regard parasites as a void issue, not because it doesn't have them, but because it's running on such a retardedly powerful source that it doesn't even pay them notice. In fact, we can probably program the machine to believe that it's power source is immortal. A "Pride Before The Fall" Protocol. Ooooh. There's an idea...

Whelp. I just shit myself. This is the most monstrous piece of cunning ever written. Goodnight /sci/.

[Anonymous No.11761225]

>>11754260
Cloth making automation removed a huge bottleneck. Cotton had to be hand separated, hand turned into threads and hand woven. It gave people a lit more free time they didn't have to spend making clothes for themselves. That is unlikely to be repeated with anything else. Jobs will be removed when they are automatized.

[Anonymous No.11761928]

>>11761225
Yes, yes, and threshing machine have caused 1/4 of the agricultural sector to be jobless and caused the farmers to riots

However, here's the fact:
During the medieval era there were only around a few hundred types of trade
Industrial Revolution brought over 2000 jobs
Today, online job searches alone opens up as much as 40000 careers

Automation pave way for the establishment of transportation and exploration that unified countless trade routes and opened up new trades
Likewise, the rise of AI shall open up the world for space exploration.

[Anonymous No.11761943]

>>11761928
Well yes it did. Virtually all farming jobs were lost.

Transportation is not the consequence of automation. When you have an engine that can power tools and machines, you can also use it to power vehicles.

[Anonymous No.11762016]

>>11756578
Lufthansa has a program currently through the European Flight Academy.
Was planning on getting a degree in math and then applying to Lufthansa but the state of aviation currently has me reevaluating that career path. Will still be going after a math degree. But I don't know about being a pilot, if the market allows it then I will apply, but if things stay the same as now then I won't.
I'm 24 years old for anyone wondering.