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Reminder that matter is fundamental, not information/computation.
This misunderstanding has led to many people believing in and researching shit that will never work and is fundamentally bullshit.

>> No.11717672

>>11717302
>I only believe what I can see and touch
thats you.

>> No.11717689

>>11717302
how does matter interact

what are forces? are they matter?

I think you are stupid

>> No.11717727

>>11717302
Example of some research that could be immediately discredited by your statement?

>> No.11723852

>>11717672

Fool that you are, for you trust chemicals to tell you that you've transcended chemicals

>> No.11723858

>>11717727
The entire field of string theory.

>> No.11725937

>>11717302
I refuse to BE condensates

>> No.11725994

the only relevant states are gas, liquid, solid and plasma. 0 kelvin matter and neutron star matter don't fucking matter

>> No.11726009

you're probably a highschooler like shut up

>> No.11726012

>>11717302
>Reminder that matter is fundamental, not information/computation.
>This misunderstanding has led to many people believing in and researching shit that will never work and is fundamentally bullshit.

Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah......

>> No.11726018

>>11717689
yes, they are, cretin, Einstein showed it

>> No.11726020

>>11723852

Wtf?

We have not tanscended chemicals. But yes, we are chemicals. We are the universe come to life. And no, chemicals are not base. Base is something akin to computation - akin to. What this Universe really is, is not replicatable by us.

>> No.11726029

>>11726018

Einstein showed that forces are matter? Jesus Christ.

This is why people were coming here trying to force a sea change in understanding.

The upcoming generation... i don't think you people even known how dumb they are... so dumb it's like by design... like our government has been paid off to make a generation of sheep.

>> No.11726056

>>11717302
Matter is not fundamental, it's an emergant phenomenon. This was known for thousands of years. Atoms make matter, and for a long time, it was believed they were the smallest particles. But now we know not even protons and neutrons are fundamental, quarks are. Until we find proof of what quarks and leptons are made up of (if they even are) then they'll no longer be considered fundamental.

>> No.11726065

>>11726056

There is no bottom Anon. This Universe is ratio based, not particle based. It's all about relationships, i.e. relativity. Einstein got this right but the message was perverted. You can zoom in forever. Forever. Worlds within worlds.

>> No.11726068

>>11717302
information definitely plays a part in physics. it's why signals can't propagate faster than the speed of light. whatever that role is, though, is still largely not understood

>> No.11726075

>>11726029
He's not wrong though, only gravity is force without a particle for the time being

>> No.11726077
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11726077

>>11726029
what is
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence

>> No.11726093

>>11726075

Fine. Fair enough, just a way I havent typically heard said. Matter is a force. Technically true, you all are right.

>> No.11726095

>>11726065
Exactly, but we'd need a grand unified theory to prove it in full. "Fundamental" is really just a defintion for the smallest thing that can't be further split and it changes as soon as we find something "more fundamental". We've come a long way in a very short amount of time, but I'm certain there is still a lot to find out. Quite possibly even things we'll never be able to find out.

>> No.11726099

>>11726075
>only gravity is force without a particle for the time being

They wont find a gravitron. Gravity comes by averaging the distance between matter. Its emergent from the unified equation. And yes I know fucking Yale and the other fucking dipshits have not cosigned unified physics yet. Hivemind has surpassed those old shriveled fucks. Might as well get all the protestant churches to cosign evolution while you are at it.

Physics is unified. The fucking haters need to deal with it and let the upcoming generation lead.

>> No.11726107

>>11726095
>Exactly, but we'd need a grand unified theory to prove it in full.

We already have one. And I have no interest whatsoever in sharing it with you if you are some hierarchy lock, defeatist apologist for the status quo. And yes I know you might think that sounds like something a crazy maniac would say. Its also something someone would say if they knew the funding system is corrupted from the top down, and that anonymous internet hivemind has supplanted traditional establishments.

>> No.11726109

>>11726099
>Gravity comes by averaging the distance between matter

That explains nothing, why is the attraction there, and how is it carried through space?

>> No.11726110

>>11726095
>Quite possibly even things we'll never be able to find out.

We already know the unified equation. It is jaw droppingly, almost retardedly simple in hindsight. Literally 5 year old level math. But you are correct, we cannot know everything since complexity is emergent. And that emergence extends forever. Infinite complexity.

>> No.11726119

>>11726109

It is not about attraction. Attraction and repulsion are emergent. The unified equation is stupidly basic. 5 year old level math. Complexity is emergent. Gravity is one aspect of that conplex emergence, but so is evolution, and your very consciousness. Gravity is not base like they say.

Like I said, it is an averaging of "matter" and yes, matter is also emergent.

All that truly exists is magnitudes averaging through infinite space.

Now, in before the corrupted fake, old, disgusting, funding parasite haters tell me to fuck off. But if you truly care about well, truth, then just know that we have actually simulated this computationally, and so can you.

>> No.11726124

>>11726107
And that's how you get discredited. You can't say you know something and then not prove it. If you think I'm a "hierarchy lock, defeatist apologist for the status quo" I canmt change that nor would I because I don't care. I wouldn't say you're a crazy maniac, pleanty of people were considered maniacs but then proven their statements, therefore it is counterproductive to call someone that unyil they had a chance to prove themselves. I know the system is fucked, pretty much anywhere you go, but I don't see the relevance of that statement in a physics discussion.

>> No.11726128

>>11726124
>And that's how you get discredited. You can't say you know something and then not prove it. If you think I'm a "hierarchy lock, defeatist apologist for the status quo" I canmt change that nor would I because I don't care. I wouldn't say you're a crazy maniac, pleanty of people were considered maniacs but then proven their statements, therefore it is counterproductive to call someone that unyil they had a chance to prove themselves. I know the system is fucked, pretty much anywhere you go, but I don't see the relevance of that statement in a physics discussion.

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And that's how I know you are a worm thinking it's a sheep, wishing it were a wolf.

>> No.11726130

>>11726124

I am sorry. I posted after your first sentence. I assumed. You seem alright.

>> No.11726134

>>11726124

Yes. The system is truthly fucked. It is not based on truth. Some of the biggest liars in human history are propped up as the most brilliant scientific minds. Even here we cannot speak truth because of how far the disease has spread.

>> No.11726137

>>11726075
so particles and mass are equivalent?

I think you are stupid.

>> No.11726144

>>11726124

If you wonder how it's possible that we cannot even speak truth on an anonymous message board, it's because those who speak truth are rare and easy to identity. It would only take a few sentences of trut for one of them to come here and start threatening me and my family by name. This has been witnessed by hundreds here. This is not some schizo shit. This is a fucking fact. they will threaten me, and my family, here by name and without reprocussion and this had been witnessed and is documented.

>> No.11726150

>>11717302
Matter does not exist, it is a category of the understanding you use to conceptualize your experience. Every matter we analyze can be broken down into smaller matters it is made up of, until we arrive at one fundamental constitutent, which currently are quarks. The relation between these matters is of formal nature, in fact they are wholly constituted through formal relations.

>> No.11726162

>>11726093
DESU, no idea what OP meant with this thread. And also, Einstein didn't show that forces are matter, he said that energy equals mass.
>>11726099
Conspiracy theory level bait but I'll bite. What is the unified equation?
>>11726137
I didn't claim that, mass is only one of the properties. There is some truth to that though. The only difference between down and strange quarks is their tiny difference in mass. That is, the only distinguishing property of these quarks is mass

>> No.11726165

>>11726162
>DESU, no idea what OP meant with this thread. And also, Einstein didn't show that forces are matter, he said that energy equals mass.

No shit. Thats why I was confused. But energy is a field, so a force. It was brainlet shit like I said. >>11726162

>Conspiracy theory level bait but I'll bite. What is the unified equation?

If you have spent time here then you already know.

>> No.11726197

>>11726128
Any of those 3 things would suffice.

>> No.11726212

>>11726197

You are not. You are human and have value. I was lazy and did not read your whole post. I get pissed when people are dismissive. I should have read to the end.

>> No.11726216

>>11726197

I can prove my claims. This is not a good format for that, trust me. It's been tried. Too many trolls, and some great people, but too many trolls.

>> No.11726240

>>11726216
That I can definitelly agree with. Text board is a horrible format for discussions. Note also that I never discredited you, just that I so far haven't seen the proof, but I'm still learning. About trolls, it's only funny if both parties laugh, if just the troll laughs and it's their only source of pleasure , I'm genunienly sorry for them.

>> No.11726242

>>11726212
That's ok, we all have our problems we have to deal with and work on.

>> No.11726245

>>11717302
None of them are fundamental, but information is closer to being fundamental than matter is. Or maybe they are at the same level now that I think about it. Both can't really be "torn apart", just transformed (in nature). Maybe it's not the data or matter that is fundamental, but the transformations that are possible?

>> No.11726269

someone post the comic by the ginger kike, you know the one, with the physicist getting too big for his britches and telling other disciplines what to think

>> No.11726290

>>11717302
Both matter and information is nothing but an abstraction.
Consciousness is fundamental.