Unironically, why does a vaccine take 12-18 months?

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Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:20:02 2020 No.11608607 [Reply] [Original]

Unironically, why does a vaccine take 12-18 months?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:26:33 2020 No.11608613 >>11608607 They're like all medicine, a poison that works only because the dose is just right. So it's inherently dangerous stuff, testing rounds take time since the unwanted symptoms might take months to emerge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:27:37 2020 No.11608616 >>11608613 https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:28:55 2020 No.11608617 >>11608607 They are testing which batches shut off genes associated with cognitive development the most efficiently. It has to be effective while not being too obvious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:29:00 2020 No.11608618 >but in Congation the girl made a vaccine in 10 minutes

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:33:26 2020 No.11608626 >>11608613 >>11608617 >>>/x/ >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:34:55 2020 No.11608628 >>11608626 cope

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:37:26 2020 No.11608633 >>11608626 I pity you naive fool

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:55:00 2020 No.11608667 >>11608607 Because 17 years of fucking up SARS vaccines. Please do early adopt though, not like the immunity from lawsuits shouldn't set off any alarm bells or anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:57:50 2020 No.11608676 >>11608607 It doesn't: 1. Buy little bottles of capers and sheets of small adhesive labels. 2. Throw away capers and fill bottles with bleach. 3. Print the labels with text as in pic related and wrap one around each bottle of bleach. 4. Profit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:07:59 2020 No.11608688 File: 9 KB, 225x225, download.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11608607 >12-18 months pffthahaha, now multiply that by 3-5x. that estimate is iff they got lucky and now the trials they're on pass.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:29:02 2020 No.11608706

>>11608607
>12-18 months
You guys do realize that even this is wildly optimistic, right? The record development time of a vaccine was for mumps, which took 4 years.

There are many reasons why vaccine development takes time, and here are a few:
>Inadequate preclinical data and lack of detailed information on protective correlates of immunity contribute to product failure in clinical trials
>Lack of information on the infectious exposures of intended vaccine recipients
>Vaccines are to be used in populations with less-responsive immune systems
>Antigenic variation requires constant updating of vaccine formulations
>High costs of vaccine development result in premature abandonment of potentially useful products

Here's the source:
>https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/docserver/fulltext/jmm/61/7/889_jmm039180.pdf?expires=1587987579&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=AC4C29AA032B12E2A23C917D88BC052F

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:36:28 2020 No.11608718 >>11608607 It's gonna be years if it ever happens. Do you see a vaccine for the original SARS?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:43:28 2020 No.11608729

>>11608613
>all medicine are poisons
I will never understand this logic. You can OD on fucking water but that doesn't make water a poison some chemicals are well tolerated by the body and some aren't because body can't easily get rid of them/manipulate them to make them less harmful and a vaccine is not a chemical it's a formulation you can't call that shit a poison reeeeeeeeee

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:44:31 2020 No.11608733
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>>11608607
Because the virus is being exploited for political gain. Both by China, the US and every nation on the planet.
They're already lying and stating "the world will never be the same" as an excuse to enforce their faggotry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:45:34 2020 No.11608736 File: 31 KB, 406x378, 153317142069_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11608617 Yes, lets inform people less than we already do, even though that is fucking up the planet.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:47:05 2020 No.11608740

>>11608706
>Inadequate preclinical data
>implying this is a new virus
This virus has likely existed and has been studied for 12 years now.
Why do you think China is rejecting independent scrutiny of what happened in Wuhan?
They know they let this shit escape somehow.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:51:56 2020 No.11608749

>>11608740
>implying this is a new virus
Its emergence in humans is unquestionably new. This means that we lack a proper charging of its pathogenic processes in humans. If we do not know how the virus works, we are less able to find ways to stop it from working.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:53:35 2020 No.11608754 >>11608607 mostly testing, if the vaccine has detrimental side effect, you’d prefer the sickness in some cases.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:54:38 2020 No.11608759 >>11608613 most vaccines are basic tracers, schizo

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:57:51 2020 No.11608766 >>11608733 ya, dood, lets just fuck up our economy cozue peeps will vote for us then for same rezon?! :Ddd

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:11:27 2020 No.11608783

>>11608736
Almost every person is a cattle being raised to be milked and just keep the cogs of the system running. They don't need us to be smart. Quite the opposite. In the words of one of those guys "I need workers, not thinkers". Enjoy losing 10 IQ post vaccine.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:15:31 2020 No.11608786
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>>11608749
It's probably mutated, but it's been spreading and poorly contained in Chinese labs for months now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:17:13 2020 No.11608789 >>11608783 Ant farms are not good slaves. And slaves require brains for taming them. That's why there's a large amount of conditioned smart people. Intelligence =/= chaotic thought.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:18:50 2020 No.11608792 >>11608766 You have no idea how blackmail works do you? They don't want a free population that could remove that leverage by destroying legislative power and installing anarchy of thought and power. They need morals to control people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:20:04 2020 No.11608796 >>11608729 >I will never understand why should today be any different

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:20:16 2020 No.11608797 >>11608786 >months I'm ignoring your blatant attempts at misdirection here, but besides that, do you think MONTHS are enough for a proper charting of pathogenic processes? It isn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:22:10 2020 No.11608799 >>11608759 they can trigger the immune system to attack unintended targets

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:41:38 2020 No.11608842 >>11608786 >national review fuck off /pol/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:46:14 2020 No.11608851 >>11608706 some are optimistic https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bern-research_swift-covid-19-vaccine-within-reach--say-swiss-scientists/45704796

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:47:24 2020 No.11608855 >>11608789 The network of obedient thinkers is already saturated and established. The global goverment is actively pushing dysgenics since 2001.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:50:02 2020 No.11608862

>>11608783
not true, humanity is already lacking qualified workers simply due to the natural distribution of IQ. Automatization is making dumb labor obsolete and the lower end of the Bell curve unemployed. There is no upside in having to provide for an increasing fraction of the population instead of putting them to work productively.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:51:06 2020 No.11608863 >>11608792 who are “they”? The vague enemy to c

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:52:14 2020 No.11608866 >>11608863 oops, the vague enemy that conspires to overthrow humanity is only existent in the mind of schizophrenics.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:52:49 2020 No.11608867

>>11608786
As far as I understand, this is still very, very unlikely. The sequence doesn’t have a really “optimized” binding solution for ACE2 and has another critical mutation (relative to bat virus) that were unlikely to be synthesized or gained by random mutation through passaging in cell lines. Also, currently known technologies for synthesizing RNA viruses would apparently leave some sort of observable signal in the viral sequence, which we do not see. Zoonotic transmission then seems the much more parsimonious explanation - see nature, the proximal origin of sars-covid-2

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:54:04 2020 No.11608871 >>11608799 congratulations, you have just discovered an allergic reaction. Keep it up :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:54:37 2020 No.11608874 >>11608863 >>11608866 The macroscopic organism that is your government. I guess you're too brainlet to understand that concept. I don't think any one person conspires, it's a network or decentralised decisions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:56:05 2020 No.11608878 >>11608851 >optimistic Well, that's what I said isn't it?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:57:53 2020 No.11608882

>>11608867
It's also possible that while it wasn't designed, its creation was still 'guided' by human hands. There's evidence that it may be a viral chimera, a mixture of two different viruses containing RNA from both viruses, which can happen when two similar viruses infect the same host at the same time and they comingle enough. It could well be that the Wuhan lab was intentionally and irresponsibly trying to create viral chimera by infecting test animals with multiple viruses at once to see what popped out, and what did happen was far more virulent and infections than they initially expected or prepared for.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:58:07 2020 No.11608883
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>>11608855
Are they retarded?
Why would dulled senses be artificially or naturally selected?
Other than the overpopulation hindering the systems ability to maintain better sensation, there are no active pushers of that crap other than from imbeciles with no logical thought.
Then again, when you look at some execs that might be the problem here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:59:13 2020 No.11608887 >>11608882 >There's evidence that it may be a viral chimera Post that evidence. I'm pretty sure you're misunderstanding the literature.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 09:03:03 2020 No.11608900

>>11608786
That article provides no evidence of manufacture in a Chinese lab. It only says that labs where coronavirus research was occurring exist and participated in initial characterization of CoV-2. Scientific has known about coronaviruses for a super long time and they have been a major health threat, especially in China. Not surprising or evidence of a conspiracy that these labs exist. A lot of infectious disease research is also focused on finding natural reservoirs of viruses (other organisms) that could threaten humans by jumping over: AIDS is an example of a disease which jumped to humans via zoonotic transmission and where a good amount of research has been put into tracking simian viruses.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 09:12:28 2020 No.11608920

>>11608874
my government is elected democratically and every step of legislation, jurisdiction and execution of the law is under public exposure. I can go to any court to appeal to judges by providing the laws, I can join any political event and every process of legislature, appeal to my local representative for veto, call for a petition which the relevant organs have to review and to ensure that this stays that way, my ancestors have gone through revolutions to provide me with a right to protest.

So who are they and what the fuck are you on about? I strongly suggest you take the medication provided by a psychiatrist you trust, a lot has happened in the area of medicine the last few decades to provide you with significantly increased quality of life.
You will feel a lot more relaxed and you will realize the flaws in the logic of your current thoughts and beliefs. Once you realize the twisted world view you live under right now, you will appreciate it. And if not, you are free to stop any medication whenever you want, though I advice to do it slowly as to not cause psychotic breaks.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 09:13:01 2020 No.11608923

>>11608882
The article addresses that in the final explanation, right before the conclusions section. It’s unlikely given that generation of the virus by “passaging” (like you said, guided evolution of the virus by exposing it to human cells) would require a really really similar progenitor sequence which hadn’t been found before (more similar than the bat viruses), a passaging strategy like that has never been described, and that there are certain features of the virus that would have only evolved in response to an immune system. This, with the fact that there are viruses with the really key mutations found in pangolins makes it more likely the virus occurred in nature.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 09:31:26 2020 No.11608963 >>11608871 i discovered nothing, talk to >>11608759

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 09:32:54 2020 No.11608965 Not enough people on Folding@Home.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 09:54:01 2020 No.11609014

>>11608900
This specific mutation is similar to the one manufactured in a lab in wuhan in 2008.
https://jvi.asm.org/content/jvi/82/4/1899.full.pdf
They said it in that article that they produced these specimens through chimerization.

If anything this suggest that there is something at least occurring in these labs that could have easily contributed to this latest outbreak. As someone who knows people in this field of study, I think these facilities and the people involved were inadequate for this particular operation. Normally these facilities are isolated because they usually have some students in them to train them and learn about these diseases. However I feel these students in this lab were given too much room to play with such dangerous diseases. That should be left to the professors of such an institute.

That's not all - there's the likelihood of knowledge learned in these labs leaking to organisations who could implement the research with harmful intent. You only have to look at the history of government secret services in all countries to know how bad that situation is. The lab could easily be manipulated as a scapegoat for their operations too. Look at how your government is reacting right now. It's disempowering it's citizens on a scale never seen before. There is no one head making these decisions, it's the dominoe effect of many people in a system and in these harmful organisations.
BUT, China recently criticised Australia for asking for an independent investigation on top of the Chinese investigation internally. They literally threatened economic ramifications. This suggests they know what happened and they know it was sourced to China's internal organisations - not just a mere wet market.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 09:57:29 2020 No.11609019

>>11608920
>my government is elected democratically and every step of legislation, jurisdiction and execution of the law is under public exposure.
As a person who studied my "democracy" on all levels with a Law degree, you have no idea how bad things really are. The public knows so little it's revolting to me. There are financial barriers of information to your own laws. Sure this is better than China where you have NO freedom of info in any way, but you can see why this becomes a buffer to public knowledge. I've read judgements in commonwealth law requesting we don't free the information in order to "reduce the strain on courts with unnecessary claims". Who from? The plebs, as they are to them obviously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 09:59:36 2020 No.11609025 >>11609019 >Who from? Who were the claims stated by the judge from?* That was poorly worded. Apologies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:01:17 2020 No.11609028 >>11609014 this may interest you, fren: https://medium.com/@yurideigin/lab-made-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:01:29 2020 No.11609030 >>11608729 >t. thinks in absolutes

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:02:41 2020 No.11609033 >>11609014 You're not posting evidence, you're ranting baseless conspiracy theories.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:04:09 2020 No.11609039 >>11609033 pinning everything on evolution is just as baseless as suggesting it was a bioweapon if all you're looking at is snps.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:09:35 2020 No.11609053 File: 143 KB, 1856x1338, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11609039 It isn't baseless, it's an empirical question that was already addressed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:10:26 2020 No.11609056 DUDE DRINK BLEACH LAMO

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:13:18 2020 No.11609061 >>11609033 When you're dealing with the macroscopic tendencies of systems, it's hard to find applicable evidence. But we do know China is definitely hiding something. https://archive.li/bJIdE

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:14:40 2020 No.11609066 >>11609061 >it's hard to find applicable evidence No it isn't. I just posted evidence. Its origins are natural, despite what you ranting /pol/tards want it to be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:15:43 2020 No.11609067 >>11609056 Trump recommends to inject it into your veins. It is how he kept looking young and get new hot chicks to fuck. Don't overdo it though, like twice a day should do you good, which he did. Once a day should be okay if you are not ugly.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:17:19 2020 No.11609070

>>11609053
lmao that shit paper. you know they omit years of gain of function research? oh wait you don't and they use weasel language that anyone with two brain cells to rub together will know is bs.

>As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted7,11.
from the 2 public journals you mentioned, shit that bioweapons labs would not publish to. also as if there haven't been many more publicly available gain of function viral studies you haven't listed, andersen et al..

>Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used19.
>probably
nice opinion, bro. just because that is how you would do it does not mean it is the only way. also "probably" by how much in you estimation? oh that's right you never made that calculation and can't because you probably barely passed stat200.

>However, the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone20.
meaning it could very well be made from playing around with snps in a lab. in fact because it is so novel lends more credence to it possibly being lab made because it's odd that we are missing such an evolutionary jump.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:18:32 2020 No.11609074 >>11609066 you are such a retard. read: >>11609028

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:19:05 2020 No.11609077 >>11608729 >I will never understand this logic. that's because you're autistic, anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:24:02 2020 No.11609086 >>11609074 >medium blog you think this shit over-rides an article in nature medicine you dumb cunt?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:25:07 2020 No.11609091 >>11608628 >>11608633 This board is reserved for people that have finished high school.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:27:46 2020 No.11609098

>>11609086
>nature medicine journal says it. i believe it. that settles it.
it goes over research in greater depth than that shit andersen et al paper you posted. maybe if you stopped being such a brainlet who falls for appeals to authority you would've been prepared. i bet you were the kind of moron who fell for solar frickin roadways because they were "backed by science".

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:29:34 2020 No.11609105

>>11609070
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.015008v1
https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/310/5748/676?casa_token=1HNNqNG0xAQAAAAA:tWU0M-MRcVVt_j2w3Sua75NZRfF_Vx0Og6O5Rnczi0VLWA2ZdcH5LVWR2euBJ-xHzp51972FjyUDzg

You're still not posting science, just ranting. Just fucking kys already.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:29:50 2020 No.11609106 >>11609091 You mean, they are able to make entire sentences? I think you hold too high expectancy of this board, dear anon.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:31:31 2020 No.11609111

>>11609098
you're arguing that a blog, a BLOG, trumps a peer-reviewed article. This is the science board, I don't give a fuck what some dude bro faggot spouts in his public diary, I care about reasoned articles that are critiqued before they are published. Go fuck yourself.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:38:22 2020 No.11609129

>>11609105
>science is what is written in journals
no science is a methodology. and you are a brainlet who doesn't even know how to discuss the matter. hecne all you can do is post links and cannot argue my points. you are too dumb for this.

i'm just going to go over another one of them to show you that posting links doesn't mean squat.
>https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117
just shows how divergent the sarscov2 types are to themselves and closely related viruses. the only thing you can know with snps is genetic distance. nothing else.

god you are dumb af.

>>11609111
>you're arguing that a blog, a BLOG, trumps a peer-reviewed article.
that is the clown world we live in. if you actually read the blog it discusses that journal and why it is bs. say hurr i got this journal means nothing.

>I care about reasoned articles that are critiqued before they are published. Go fuck yourself.
lol you have such myopathy. you can go fuck yourself. unable to critically think. this isn't the board for you, brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:43:50 2020 No.11609144 >>11609129 still deflecting, ranting, not posting scientific evidence. I'm getting bored here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:44:55 2020 No.11609148 >>11609129 >we live in a clown world >hurr durr u dumb nice arguments faggot, how about you kys

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:48:08 2020 No.11609158 >>11609066 Did you read the article? They're thumbing small nations that question their investigations now. They are 100% hiding something. You can't deny it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:48:54 2020 No.11609163 >>11609158 >Did you read the article? No, because it is a blog.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:49:36 2020 No.11609168

>>11609144
>still deflecting
no i'm arguing the points in the articles, it's just flying over your diminutive head.

>not posting scientific evidence.
i did. that blog you dismiss is a wealth of scientific evidence. but alas it's too hard for someone like you to understand so all you can dismiss it because you made up your mind. "this one natural journal says it. i believe it. that settles it." - literally you.

>>11609148
you are dumb. kys tard.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:52:28 2020 No.11609176

>>11609074
That article isn't required because the political reaction 100% proves they're hiding something now. Case closed. There's no reason to reject an international investigation unless:
1. they suspect one of the nations to be behind it, or
2. they know they were behind it or so negligent it was criminal and that it may impact diplomatic relations and economic representation in the international community.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:53:42 2020 No.11609180 >>11608706 excuses. some autistic scientist dude could probably do it easily in a month if all the red tape was gone.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:54:07 2020 No.11609185

>>11609168
>no i'm arguing the points in the articles, it's just flying over your diminutive head.
nothing is flying over my head, I'm smart enough not to engage retards who do not know where to find credible information of substance and who start ranting about conspiracies completely unprompted

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:54:10 2020 No.11609186
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>>11609163
The Australian Financial review is a blog?
Well I wouldn't say they're that terrible.

Were you not referring to >>11609061

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:55:09 2020 No.11609190 >>11609180 retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:57:59 2020 No.11609200 File: 1.06 MB, 1255x2300, 1584368480243.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11609180 People wouldn't exist if all the red tape were gone. I like this plan.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:58:00 2020 No.11609201

>>11609176
no, that;s no proof. actually read the article. it's really well done.

>>11609185
everything is flying over your head, idiot. you have this reflexive kneejerk reaction to anything you cannot grasp and dismiss it as some conspiracy theory. that blog goes over years of gain of function research, the actual sequences, and the paper you posted which omits much of that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:59:13 2020 No.11609203 >>11609201 I meant the AFR article. The science is actually, ironically, unnecessary now given the political reaction to requests for independent insight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:00:10 2020 No.11609210 >>11609190 >>11609200 keep shilling for the jewish establishment goys.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:00:17 2020 No.11609211 >>11609201 >repeating it makes it true keep trying

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:00:21 2020 No.11609212 >>11609203 To add, all of our articles on the science are likely wrong now that China slipped up politically.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:01:18 2020 No.11609217 >>11609210 >>11609203 >>11609201 fuck off back to /pol/ you cancerous faggots

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:01:23 2020 No.11609218 >>11609210 Scientific concepts themselves are a form of "red tape".

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:02:40 2020 No.11609225 >>11609217 But this political reaction impacts the science we know about this virus. It questions the authorities we use to assert new theories on the virus. If governments are manipulating information, then the science is likely to be inaccurate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:03:58 2020 No.11609230 >>11609225 Faulty logic and with a political motive. Again, fuck off back to /pol/ you cancerous faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:03:58 2020 No.11609232 >>11609211 >repeating it makes it true right back at you, retard. notice how you cannot argue my points and just go straight to dismissal. >>>/out/ >>11609217 >t. cucked reddit poster telling others to leave fucking pottery >>>/out/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:20:25 2020 No.11609293 >>11609218 the only red tape is created by the jews. they dont want us to thrive, to live free and healthy the way we were meant to.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:20:28 2020 No.11609294
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>>11609230
>Faulty logic and with a political motive.
>if a country questions your countries request to FINDING INFO about the virus, you must have a purely political motive and not a scientific motive to obtain accurate data
Yeah get fucked. Chinese people should question that too. I question my own governments actions when they deny international investigation, so I think the Chinese should think the same way here. This is an objective requirement here. Not merely political, it's about obtaining better and more accurate information.

Something the Chinese state really isn't known for providing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:20:50 2020 No.11609296 >>11608607 they have to manufacture all the nanorobots first

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:22:25 2020 No.11609301

>>11609293
>start questioning a China's government and it's actions that prove they are hindering the scientific analysis of COVID-19
>suddenly this faggot starts ejaculating about Jews all over the thread

This is why we're never getting a vaccine without war.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:24:02 2020 No.11609306 >>11609296 /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:24:08 2020 No.11609307 >>11609296 Why the troll now and not at the start of the thread?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:24:16 2020 No.11609309 >>11609293 >the joos nice try, ccp troll.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:28:29 2020 No.11609318
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>>11609210
>>11609217
I've seen this pattern in threads so many times now I've grown tired of this tactic for disinformation.
It's all over 4chan now.

As soon as you question the accuracy of info in China and the ability of the government to manipulate it and the proof that there is a likelihood of such manipulation, these posts happen.
This is a /sci/ and /pol/ topic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:29:27 2020 No.11609320 >>11608607 90% bureaucracy, 10% researchers don't understand viral genes for shit and biology/medicine is just throwing shit at a wall until something sticks >B-BUT THE INERT ANTIGENIC GENE COULD BE PATHOGENIC!!!1 GOTTA TEST IT VERY CAREFUL-LIKE...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:40:11 2020 No.11609346 >>11609307 i just got here nigga

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:41:58 2020 No.11609362 >>11609318 >this tactic for disinformation said the faggot posting conspiracy theories in a thread that only asks why it takes long to produce a vaccine stick to the topic or take it the fuck to /pol/ you dumb cunt

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:43:06 2020 No.11609368 >>11609320 >clinical trials >bureaucracy you know that if you don't test things properly, people can die, right? it's happened before and it's why we now do trials

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:46:06 2020 No.11609374

>>11609070
>you know they omit years of gain of function research?
Gain of function research tells us if a virus is poised for human emergence, and the relevant literature that existed prior to the emergence of SARS-cov 2 tells us that it in fact was. This is not an argument for its engineering, it's an argument for its natural emergence, you dumb shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:48:19 2020 No.11609386 >>11608718 The SARS vaccines lost funding because SARS went away

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:55:32 2020 No.11609408 >>11609386 Dammit. I invested lots of cash in Covid vaccines. Promise me, that will not go away too, please!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:57:42 2020 No.11609415 >>11609374 >This is not an argument for its engineering, it's an argument for its natural emergence, you dumb shit. it's literally guided evolution, you braindead retard.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:57:57 2020 No.11609418

>>11609368
>NOOOOOOOO WE CAN'T JUST USE THE SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLES ON WHICH WE SPENT BILLIONS RESEARCHING
Yeah, I'm sure that despite how much of a massive shitstorm this is and the fact that basically fucking 0 viruses (especially coronaviruses) have surface antigens that are inherently pathogenic, we have to run a year's worth of clinical trials, rather than pushing through to clinical trials quickly given how many lives and livelihoods will be lost as a result of this situation.
>inb4 muh kantian ethics

What's the point of genome sequencing, understanding coronavirdae pathogenicity mechanisms, modelling protein interactions, etc. etc. if we'll ultimately resort to "but we can't just ASSUME you'll mount an immune response to the surface antigens"? It's like the mathematical equivalent of
>So far, with all natural numbers tested, we have found that the addition of 1 makes the natural number 1 higher
>B-BUT HOW DO WE KNOW n+1 IS TRUE FOR ALL NATURAL NUMBERS???
There's no science here. It's throwing shit at a wall and worrying more about 1 case of anaphylaxis than the impact of your own inaction, and refusing to view inaction as an active choice with knowledge of the consequences.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:59:42 2020 No.11609425

>>11609415
I know it is you fucking retard. The fact that you could engineer something does not mean that it was in fact engineered. It does mean that if you can engineer it, it's possible that it evolves naturally. This is why gain of function research used to be done in the first fucking place shithead.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:02:21 2020 No.11609433

>>11609425
where was i saying it was engineered? no fucking where. i was saying andersen et al is a trash paper that omits that line of research to "prove" it wasn't engineered. they wrote such a hamfisted trash heap that a blog did a much better job discussing the matter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:02:52 2020 No.11609434 >>11609415 it's not guided evolution, where you provide the right selection pressures, it's direct engineering.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:03:54 2020 No.11609440 >>11609433 >where was i saying it was engineered? the title of that blog is literally >Lab-Made?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:04:14 2020 No.11609442 >>11609434 true that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:05:16 2020 No.11609447 >>11609440 are you that illiterate? do you not see that question mark? you see like the two i used in this response. my goodness you are too dumb for scientific discussion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:07:11 2020 No.11609453 >>11609447 the whole fucking point of the blog is to point out it's potential artificial origin you daft cunt, don't pretend that this was never your aim, or are you now saying that you don't think it's lab made but it evolved naturally?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:08:14 2020 No.11609456 >>11609442 try thinking before posting >you braindead retard

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:13:15 2020 No.11609478

>>11609453
>the whole fucking point of the blog is to point out it's potential artificial origin you daft cunt,
>potential
bingo

>don't pretend that this was never your aim
yes to point out the:
>potential

> or are you now saying that you don't think it's lab made but it evolved naturally?
>potential
you got it but then dropped the ball idk why.

>>11609456
it's really debatable what direct is. i would still argue turning up the pressure is still guiding to the point where it is direct but i digress.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:15:10 2020 No.11609486
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>>11609362
There is no conspiracy "theory" when there is 100% proof of a conspiracy. There's absolutely no reason to reject that investigation unless there is a conspiracy.
This is the problem with this topic. It goes a little outside of /sci/ but also has components within /sci/. When your dealing with the topic of accuracy of info, you need some regard to political players.

This virus is killing Chinese people and people outside of China anon. This is objective criticism relevant to topics on this board and other boards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:17:50 2020 No.11609495 File: 139 KB, 742x700, the_fool.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] adding to >>11609486 In fact I'm beginning to suspect that China isn't hiding info from outsiders, but rather its own people again. This is tricky if that is the situation.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:20:14 2020 No.11609503

>>11609478
>potential
So the fuck what, you point out that the nat med article doesn't discuss gain of function work, and I pointed out that gain of function work actually predicted it's natural emergence. Gain of function research does not argue for its engineering, or or even its potential engineering you dumb faggot. Gain of function research correctly predicted that this virus would emerge naturally. That is the point of gain of function research. You completely missed or ignored this point and then went of on a tangent based on a technicality.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:21:46 2020 No.11609508

>>11608617
This. It also has to be gradual and the degenerative aspects should kick in only years later. That's basically the purpose of people born in the 90's, to normalize illness and dysfunction so the kids today can be destroyed and people won't bat an eye.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:23:05 2020 No.11609515 >>11609486 >>11609495 >>11609508 the /pol/tards are out in force today

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:23:40 2020 No.11609517

>>11608626
Clamped, vaccinated, circumcised. And yet he still believes. Tsk tsk.

Have some Hep B at birth, Golmi. My proto-epsilon.

Hepatitis B vaccine induced brain dysfunction.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27501128
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29751176
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29627530

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:25:30 2020 No.11609524 File: 73 KB, 640x426, golem-replicas.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11609515 See: >>11609517

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:29:18 2020 No.11609537
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>>11609503
are you one of their brainlet undergrads or something? no mention of gof. so not only are you retarded, you're delusional now too. and nowhere did you mention gof till i pointed it out. this is probably the first time you heard of it. lol

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:33:43 2020 No.11609556

>>11609537
Jesus you're dense as fuck and apparently also fucking illiterate. I KNOW that article doesn't point out gof. What I'm saying is that that doesn't undermine the article, because gof is CONSISTENT WITH its main conclusions. YOU and said this article is shit BECAUSE it doesn't mention gof. That is a NONSENSICAL argument.

>this is probably the first time you heard of it.
fucking hell you pompous little shit, I know for a fact that I know a shit ton more about this literature than you do

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:37:35 2020 No.11609567 >>11609556 >gof is CONSISTENT WITH its main conclusions. except it's not. you're just a delusional retard. > I know for a fact that I know a shit ton more about this literature than you do uhuh. sure you do, kiddo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:39:40 2020 No.11609576 File: 218 KB, 699x922, ESiTBfKXkAwpIF3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11609567 >except it's not. you're just a delusional retard. Nice argument faggot. Gain of function work literally predicted its human emergence before it happened.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:40:43 2020 No.11609580 File: 270 KB, 688x922, ESiTBfKXgAMi0td.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11609576 another one

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:42:10 2020 No.11609589

>>11609576
>>11609580
these two studies literally showed that all necessary properties are there in bat SARS-cov for it to easily gain adaptations that would make it transmissible to humans. That is WHY GAIN OF FUNCTION RESEARCH IS DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:43:22 2020 No.11609595 >>11609576 >>11609580 >>11609589 >lab made virus is lab made nice

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:46:15 2020 No.11609604 >>11609589 And wouldn't it be ironic if it instead contributed to the virus we're facing now. This is the problem anon. This industry is in full panic mode.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:46:17 2020 No.11609605

>>11609589
>That is WHY GAIN OF FUNCTION RESEARCH IS DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE
yes the stated point of gof is to developed what could possibly be naturally emerging viruses before they might crop up in nature. so to start working on vaccines, etc. however that is assuming the lab conditions mimic nature which they might not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:46:53 2020 No.11609607 >>11609595 You're misunderstanding the point of these papers. And that's because you're a dumb shite who doesn't know anything about science yet thinks he knows more than the scientists themselves. kys, I've made my point

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:47:49 2020 No.11609608 >>11609605 I think it was assumed they didn't mimic conditions and that may have caused problems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:47:56 2020 No.11609609 >>11609604 >And wouldn't it be ironic if it instead contributed to the virus we're facing now Obviously it would be a problem. But it's not the case.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:49:47 2020 No.11609618 >>11608607 >>11608613 >>11608616 >>11608618 >>11608626 >>11608676 >>11608688 >>11608706 >>11608718 >>11608729 >>11608740 >>11608749 >>11608766 >>11608786 >>11608789 I could go on, but that's enough. Clamped.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:50:26 2020 No.11609620 >>11609605 >however that is assuming the lab conditions mimic nature which they might not. It does not assume that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:51:28 2020 No.11609623 >>11609608 retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:53:22 2020 No.11609629 >>11608786 >National Review you might as well go ahead and cite /pol/ infographics

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:54:46 2020 No.11609633

>>11609607
all these papers demonstrate is that this kind of virus can be made to occur in a lab setting. they make the assumption this lab setting will be replicated in nature. that is the error. then andersen et al erroneous go "hurr durr see proof it's not lab made."

>>11609620
yes they do. these are lab controlled environments which the virus evolved in. not necessary conditions found in nature. now i'm willing to say there is a good possibility this pressure could be found in nature. but we're back at my point this virus could've been lab made or natural. qed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:55:38 2020 No.11609636 >>11609623 Explain?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:57:45 2020 No.11609642 >>11609629 >source disagrees with my opinion so I'll misrepresent it Meanwhile there was an anon calling me a /pol/ shill for literally posting a news article that proved there was need for concern for info tampering from the Chinese state. Strange.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:58:48 2020 No.11609646

>>11609633
>all these papers demonstrate is that this kind of virus can be made to occur in a lab setting.
No you dumb faggot, they literally show that it has the properties to emerge naturally. That is the point of the papers. Fucking read them.

>they make the assumption
WRONG. they rely on KNOWN properties of the virus

Suck a big fat cock /pol/, your delusional ranting and complete fucking ignorance are sitting up this board

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:00:32 2020 No.11609651 >>11609642 >news article >Chinese state >why on earth would someone accuse me of being a /pol/tard cope

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:03:31 2020 No.11609658 Wasn't the lab this was tested in right next to the fucking wet market? I mean it's a bit of a stretch to say that that's a mere coincidence.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:04:29 2020 No.11609661

>>11609019
>There are financial barriers of information to your own laws.
speak for yourself, I have free digital access to every single law book available through the official governmental page and they are available in every public library.
And if you see how ridiculously trash any form of organization in real autocracies is, considering the amount of financial support and manpower available to them, it is absurd to suggest an unknown clique can do so on a much more competent level, while being hidden from everyone in a governmental system that is as transparent as the one I live under, even hidden from every single politician that happens to enter this sinister assembly by public vote. Honestly, your level of paranoia needs some professional care.
I partly fear for you and the people you might harm in a break, and on the other hand I can’t stand this schizo babble shitting up every single thread anymore. Please, get some help or fuck off.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:08:07 2020 No.11609675

>>11609651
You know that all journal articles are easily influenced by government right?
How are they any less influenced than the standard journalistic source?
And besides, there is clear evidence in both standard and peer reviewed sources here that there is manipulation of information. There is an insane dissonance occuring here. And the fact that articles were rushed out recently to crush "conspiracies" is a little odd. I think that's damage control and that a significant amount of political pull is straining the accuracy of the information on this virus and it's origins.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:09:37 2020 No.11609678 File: 19 KB, 407x379, 1533171420691.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11609661 You ever heard of lexis nexus? You're not going to find many unreported cases online or in the library without them.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:15:30 2020 No.11609695

>>11609646
>literally show that it has the properties to emerge naturally.
if the conditions are replicated. which is my pt. look i don't doubt it could be natural. i just don't know why you have such a hard time accepting the possibility sars-cov2 was potentially lab made like these? there is a virology lab in wuhan that deals with sars viruses.

>WRONG. they rely on KNOWN properties of the virus
i was talking about environmental conditions.

>Suck a big fat cock /pol/, your delusional ranting and complete fucking ignorance are sitting up this board
you're the assblassted faggot here. you're so desperate that this be naturally occurring when it's possible it could've been made in a lab setting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:19:46 2020 No.11609710 >>11609486 there is a reason they made a containment board for you, go back there or discuss scientifically.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:23:15 2020 No.11609727 >>11609618 >mummy, /sci/ challenges my conspiracy theories with actual logic, I am supposed to be the fact>feelings

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:26:57 2020 No.11609736 >>11609678 >ever heard of lexis nexus? no >not gonna find many unreported cases online or in the library without them cases of what? and this has nothing to do with what i wrote, now take your meds or fuck off.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:41:07 2020 No.11609785

>>11609710
Apparently there was a paper withdrawn that had content that was later reanalysed and confirmed.
see >>11605440
I think he was talking about the paper and the criticism in links within:
https://pastebin.com/T3JT6EQD
Why is one of those spam? I hope that was the nikkei article, not the paper link.
The link analysing and confirming it was also posted in that link.
We do need to confirm if that latter article did indeed do that though.

If that anon was right, I think we need to work out who criticised and for what reason. There is a good chance many people are spinning nonsense to cover up something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:48:21 2020 No.11609813 >>11609736 You don't even know what lawyers know, so I think you should keep your opinions on law to yourself. Maybe that judge has a point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:58:13 2020 No.11609849 >>11609091 I am a machine learning engineer.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:08:37 2020 No.11609895

>>11609849
I did a Law degree and I can tell you right now, just purely from the political perspective with ZERO science reports involved that there is definitely the biggest cover-up of all time currently occurring. I just came here for the science to help me find out why. I know 100% there is a cover up, just I'm not sure who and for what purpose.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:16:15 2020 No.11609911

>>11609695
>if the conditions are replicated
Bullshit you stupid faggot, gain of function research has nothing to do with environmental conditions. What it shows is that a certain virus is N mutations away from acquiring a trait, in this case human transmission potential with zootopic origin. Mutations happen regardless of environment.

>i was talking about environmental conditions.
That's probably because you're a dumb cunt who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

>it's possible it could've been made in a lab setting
No fucking shit it's possible. It's also possible that the virus emerged because Barron Trump engineered it, injected it into Kim-Jong Un's asshole, who then farted in your ugly cunt of a face. But there's no fucking sense in talking about this possibility because the most parsimonious and most likely scenario is that it evolved naturally because ALL FUCKING LINES OF INQUIRY POINT THAT WAY, INCLUDING YOUR PRECIOUS FUCKING GAIN OF FUNCTION RESEARCH.

>>11609675
>You know that all journal articles are easily influenced by government right?
Lmfao you absolute mongoloid, I write journal articles for a fucking living. The government has no fucking say in what I write or can't write. Contract stipulations make explicit that funding agencies have no fucking say in study design, results, or dissemination of materials. The government (where I live) does not directly fund science, they pour money in nonpartisan funding agencies who distribute funds based on the reviews of other scientists, I review for them too. We decide what we write, just like me deciding to write that you're a fucking mongoloid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:17:10 2020 No.11609915 >>11609727 Clamped. Vaccinated. Circumcised.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:19:09 2020 No.11609921 >>11609911 >It's also possible that the virus emerged because Barron Trump engineered it, injected it into Kim-Jong Un's asshole, who then farted in your ugly cunt of a face. check'd and kek'd

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:31:11 2020 No.11609954 I see the esteemed pizzagate investigators have shifted focus to research the CHINA WUHAN VIRUS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:34:35 2020 No.11609966 >>11609675 >and peer reviewed sources post them

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:36:29 2020 No.11609974 >>11608607 >Unironically, why does a vaccine take 12-18 months? Because you can't predict what vaccine technology is most likely to perform best in humans; not even closely related primates are going to recapitulate the same antigenic responses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:38:24 2020 No.11609985 >>11609895 >not sure who We've been screaming it for years, it's the fucking jews.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:49:06 2020 No.11610022

>>11609911
>gain of function research has nothing to do with environmental conditions.
i'm gonna be dense and pt out that keeping ferrets in a small cage where they coof on each other over and over from an engineered virus so it gains some function isn't natural environment.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/336/6088/1534.abstract

>What it shows is that a certain virus is N mutations away from acquiring a trait
at specific loci. i mean sure different motifs might have different rates of mutation. but something being n pt mutations away doesn't mean it'll happen like that naturally.

> in this case human transmission potential with zootopic origin.
the word is zoonotic. ;p

>Mutations happen regardless of environment.
you and i both know that is bs and some environments are more mutagenic than others.

>No fucking shit it's possible.
well then andersen et al are full of shit and we agree.

>because the most parsimonious
you know this is fallacious.

>The government has no fucking say in what I write or can't write.
oh is that so? is that why the govt smacked down gof studies as illegal?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/09/flu-researcher-ron-fouchier-loses-legal-fight-over-h5n1-studies

why are you virologists such a shady bunch? i'll admit virology isn't my focus but you guys are so suss, giving you the benefit of doubt this is your field. i do wonder the psychology of you guys, how many are severely aspd.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:10:54 2020 No.11610095

>>11610022
>i'm gonna be dense
you already were.

>keeping ferrets in a small cage
besides the fact that the coughing is not what causes it to gain function, it has absolutely fucking nothing to do with the two studies I posted.

>but something being n pt mutations away doesn't mean it'll happen like that naturally
Yes it fucking does, because given enough time a mutation will occur at every single locus in the genome. It is unavoidable. Show me a way that makes a mutation at a certain locus impossible and you've prevented just about every fucking cancer on the planet. But you can't, and you're the cancer.

>you and i both know that is bs and some environments are more mutagenic than others.
fully compatible with what I said, which was that mutations happen in every environment. obviously some environments result in more mutations, but that is fucking irrelevant since the base mutation rate is always above 0.

>well then andersen et al are full of shit and we agree.
No, we do not. I agree that it would have been possible to engineer this virus. But the evidence says that it was in fact not engineered, and naturally emerged, and in that I agree with Andersen.

>https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/09/flu-researcher-ron-fouchier-loses-legal-fight-over-h5n1-studies
>Dutch government
try again

>why are you virologists such a shady bunch?
Go fuck yourself. I don't walk into your shitty little office and start telling you how to do your fucking job, do I? The fuck did you expect? That we'd just role over and swallow your garbage fucking nonsense and take it up the ass? Fucking die in a house fire.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:29:17 2020 No.11610155

>>11610095
>besides the fact that the coughing is not what causes it to gain function
it was successive infections focing mutations, duh. so much for calling me dense.

>it has absolutely fucking nothing to do with the two studies I posted.
i love how andersen and you act these studies are the end all and be all of gof research. i wonder why that is. hmmm

>Yes it fucking does, because given enough time a mutation will occur at every single locus in the genome.
and some loci mutations will make it less effective. this is steering it to those specific gains.

>Show me a way that makes a mutation at a certain locus impossible and you've prevented just about every fucking cancer on the planet.
you do realize not all cancers are caused by dna mutations, right? i pity you being in such a narrow scoped field.

>obviously some environments result in more mutations, but that is fucking irrelevant since the base mutation rate is always above 0.
yes and in some places especially high like labs where they get ferrets to coof on each other millions of times.

>I agree that it would have been possible to engineer this virus.
which directly goes against anderesen et al. he is pretending we don't have the tech to do it. oh and olsterholm too. i'm sure you're familiar with him as well.

>But the evidence says that it was in fact not engineered
conjecture is not evidence.

>Dutch government
ok you want to see the us then?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/10/us-halts-funding-new-risky-virus-studies-calls-voluntary-moratorium

>Go fuck yourself. I don't walk into your shitty little office
i'm better funded than you esoterics will ever be.

>and start telling you how to do your fucking job, do I?
well you couldn't if you tried. meanwhile my line for work will develop something to replace you one day.

>That we'd just role over and swallow your garbage fucking nonsense and take it up the ass? Fucking die in a house fire.
better you sociopaths than the rest of the world desu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:32:16 2020 No.11610164 >>11608862 The hand that gives will always be above the hand that recieve Neo feudal

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:33:25 2020 No.11610165

>>11610155
I'm not gonna be replying to this anymore, you're so full of shit and continue to fail at grasping even the simplest of arguments. If you cannot follow basic logic, there's no point. It's like talking to a fucking toddler who insists on throwing his food on the floor. You can try to reason with him, but he's not going to get it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:49:43 2020 No.11610199 >>11610165 heh. more like my soft ball arguments are way over your head. but please continue throwing your toddler tantrum over how you're being misunderstood.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:09:27 2020 No.11610230

>>11610199
>way over your head
The fucking irony you arrogant little prick. Literally not a single word you said has refuted my position, and all my points went unrefuted because you simply missed them. I'm not going to bother spelling out why again because you'll fail to understand and spout some irrelevant nonsense, again. Do you really think you know my job better than I do? This isn't an argument I'm making, mind you. It just baffles me that someone can really be this fucking delusional.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:18:39 2020 No.11610257

>>11610230
you're just a dumb wet lab monkey. there's a reason you ended up in virology, it's because you're too dumb for a real major that requires critical thinking and analysis. i know you bio brainlets are all effort and very little brains. you just do some basic bitch experiment, feed some of that data through some r pipeline you could never program yourself and scribble down your observation then think you're brilliant for it. so it's unsurprising you think saying parsimony is some kind of proof. only a matter of time till you're automated out of existence. lolling at your life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:57:19 2020 No.11610346 >>11610257 Pathetic. Enjoy your 404

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:40:01 2020 No.11610473

>>11609028
>https://medium.com/@yurideigin/lab-made-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748
>>11609074
>>11609098
>>11609129
>>11609168
>>11609201
>>11609232
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Yuri+Deigin
article made by a literal business student with a shitty startup selling alex-jones tier anti-aging serum snake oil. Yeah real credible

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:26:30 2020 No.11610598

>>11610473
>He earned his Bachelor’s degree in Science in the fields of Computer Science and Mathematics in 2001 from the University of Toronto.
that is already several leagues more credible than any army of phd biofags. bio is a rote memory smooth brain set of majors for wannabe scientists too stupid for any kind of rigorous stem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:42:14 2020 No.11610637 >>11608607 They're waiting for their target market to grow a bit more before they go public in order to make a profit.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:51:56 2020 No.11610659
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>>11608607
you have to do a bunch of testing before you give out a drug and production of the drug takes a while to get going. but you already know that you just want to appeal to your schizo delusions. you can make a vaccine in a couple weeks if you really wanted to that will probably work and be effective. i heard pic related is good for corona you should take it daily.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:46:42 2020 No.11610827 >>11609895 I'm also a Law bachelor in a civil law country and I tell you, you're a schizo

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 20:22:34 2020 No.11610926 rat and mice breeding takes up to 9 months, so

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 02:28:38 2020 No.11611734 >>11610598 > bachelor's in unrelated field is more credible than PhD in related field wew lad

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 02:35:57 2020 No.11611750 >>11610598 Nice try Yuri

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 04:56:32 2020 No.11611963

>>11611734
>>11611750
>bio
>rote memorization of facts, repetitive wet lab technique practice, extent of analysis is a simple decision tree thinking, running data through some software like blast or some pipeline with at most a function call or two.

>math
>trained in: rigorous proofs, analysis that actually requires critical thinking, complex and abstract problem solving, logical reasoning, etc.

gee i wonder who is more likely to construct a valid argument and who will just regurgitate some preconceptions????

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 04:57:40 2020 No.11611964 >>11608607 At least for the US, the real reason is overregulation which has been pushed through the FDA by lobbyists and absolutely crippled drug research.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 05:20:18 2020 No.11611999 >>11611963 What you are describing has nothing to do with how biologists work. It's a wrong >regurgitated preconception

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 05:21:20 2020 No.11612001 >>11611963 OK Yuri the bachelor student

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 05:26:05 2020 No.11612011

>>11611999
except i work with them all the time and that is exactly what they do, don't try to pretend otherwise. they are wet lab monkeys with barely any analytical skills whatsoever. they run to website apis like blast to do their data analysis for them and barely can do anything in r which is a joke scripting language.

>>11612001
not yuri, try again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 05:32:02 2020 No.11612021 >>11608799 And meth can make a person more focused. Nice fallacy you got there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 05:33:03 2020 No.11612022 >>11609618 You have to go back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 05:35:19 2020 No.11612025 >>11608628 >>11608633 >>11609517 >>11609618 >zoomer plebbitors think they're cool It's all so tiresome.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 06:05:52 2020 No.11612057

>>11608607
You have to test it on mice and then pigs or something, and then monkeys, and then once you can make it kill under a certain percentage of the monkeys but still usually kill the disease, then you can start human testing. If you believe the movies then you can skip that step by having the plucky doctor inject herself with it outside of a controlled environment against any sort of scientific standards to prove it's safe and then pretty soon there are cargo planes full of the vaccine heading for every major city. I saw the whole thing happen in 90 minutes or less, maybe they should just copy that method.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 06:08:23 2020 No.11612059 >>11612011 >not yuri, try again Sure Yuri

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 06:10:46 2020 No.11612063 >>11612011 >the biologists I work with are dumb therefore all biologists are dumb Seems to me like you're the one struggling with logic, Yuri

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 06:26:41 2020 No.11612089 [DELETED]

>>11612059
>hurr you're yuri durr
i wish i was desu. he seems better off financially. i'll see if i can work for him, he actually has a noble goal that you mainstream bio just screech at all day for some dumb af reason. enjoy your stupid death cult.

>>11612063
>blatant strawman
>complains about logic
yeah i can see why you complain about logic, you can't grasp it. i was explaining to you what joke scrub work biology is, stay on topic. you said:
>What you are describing has nothing to do with how biologists work.
and i explained to you that is exactly what they do. you think the virology majors are any better? it's the same shit. heavy lab component, weak af analysis. just run some packages in r, if even. it's fucking nothing.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 06:28:32 2020 No.11612092

>>11612059
>hurr you're yuri durr
i wish i was desu. he seems better off financially. i'll see if i can work for him, he actually has a noble goal that you mainstream bios just screech at all day for some dumb af reason. enjoy your stupid death cult.

>>11612063
>blatant strawman
>complains about logic
yeah i can see why you complain about logic, you can't grasp it. i was explaining to you what joke scrub work biology is, stay on topic. you said:
>What you are describing has nothing to do with how biologists work.
and i explained to you that is exactly what they do. you think the virology majors are any better? it's the same retard shit. heavy wet lab bitch, weak af analysis. just run some packages in r, if even. it's fucking nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 06:35:30 2020 No.11612109 >>11612092 >he seems better off financially. i'll see if i can work for him Why don't you suck his cock while you're at it, if you can bend that way that is, Yuri

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 06:39:33 2020 No.11612114

>>11612092
>i was explaining to you what joke scrub work biology is, s
You disparage work simply because it is done by biologists, and you support the validity of this argument with the 'evidence' that the biologists you work with are dumb. If you wish to revise your position that some biologists are not dumb, that is fine by me. Then we agree that you've made no argument against biology or virology as a field.

>stay on topic
Said the guy who out of the blue started a troll discussion on a topic unrelated to the thread

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 06:56:30 2020 No.11612143

>>11612109
lol sucking his dick would be more productive than what you do for a living. you lamestream bios are just stagnant. perpetually stuck worshiping nature all day, unable to think outside your rote memorized box you're stuck in perpetuity. this is why you'll never contribute to mankind's advancement in anyway, at best have some esoteric papers on some autistic shit no one gives two flying fucks about but your journal club.

>>11612114
>You disparage work simply because it is done by biologists
just keep on starawmanning, really highlights your inability to logic. i disparage the work done by biologists, not because biologists do it but because it is brainlet tier wet lab monkey bitchwork. the fact this flies over your head just exemplifies how diminutive it is. not surprising as if you were bright you would be capable of more than brainlet wet lab monkey bitchwork.

>and you support the validity of this argument with the 'evidence' that the biologists you work with are dumb.
lol nope. again you were making the argument that i don't know what bios do. keep failing. they just happen to be retarded, but that is unsurprising usually the difficulty of the work pairs closely with the intellect of who is doing it.

>If you wish to revise your position that some biologists are not dumb, that is fine by me.
if anything you keep on affirming my position, biotard.

>Said the guy who out of the blue started a troll discussion on a topic unrelated to the thread
and yet you keep the thread on this track, rich that you would complain about derailing while you actively contribute to it. typical dipshit bio major.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:08:03 2020 No.11612153 >>11609618 Thanks for the vote reddit, do you have anything to actually contribute here? Of course you fucking dont because ya a dumbfuck and a dogcunt. Pls do the world a favour and neck yourself before bothering next time.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:16:32 2020 No.11612165

>>11609813
different countries have different laws, and independent of that, this is the most retarded argumentation I’ve ever heard.
>There exists a word or concept in law you don’t know but I might do, but can’t explain, thus democracy doesn’t exist, thus some undefined form of shadow government tries to control your private life, thus it creates a highly contageous virus and does everything in its power to prevent its spread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:18:41 2020 No.11612172 >>11609895 I’m a physicist who has read the ICD10 and is pissed of by schizos unwilling to get help, and I can confirm anon 2’s assessment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:24:37 2020 No.11612186 >>11610164 Ah, so my employer is part of the lizard people that spreads a virus and tries to control it just to show he can? And everyone that buys products he is responsible for the production of aswell? coz they certainly feed him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:04:59 2020 No.11612256 >>11612143 >lol sucking his dick would be more productive than what you do for a living. lel, and how would you know what I do for a living, yuri?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:06:25 2020 No.11612260 >>11612092 >i wish i was desu. he seems better off financially. i'll see if i can work for him kek, so fucking obvious this is just that guy praising himself

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:30:36 2020 No.11612445 >>11608607 It wont work

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:34:25 2020 No.11612458 >>11608607 we could realistically have a vaccine by september this one group of people in oxford is kicking ass to get this done: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 10:55:11 2020 No.11612622 >>11608706 Just about the only good post in this piece of shit thread

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