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All alleged "black hole" models pertain to a universe that is spatially infinite, is eternal, contains only one mass, is not expanding, and is asymptotically flat or asymptotically not flat.

But the alleged "big bang" cosmology pertains to a universe that is spatially finite (one case) or spatially infinite (two different cases), is of finite age, contains radiation and many masses including multiple black holes (some of which are supposedly primordial), is expanding, and is not asymptotically anything.

Thus black holes and the big bang contradict one another - they're mutually exclusive. This is undeniable and clear as day. It's surprisingly easy to prove that neither General Relativity nor Newton's theory predict black holes to exist.

Despite numerous claims for black holes in their millions, none has ever been discovered. It's also not difficult to prove General Relativity violates the usual conservation of energy and momentum. There are fundamental contradictions contained in black hole theory, big bang cosmology, as well as in General Relativity. Numerical methods are therefore meaningless.

Oh and for those who'd like to use the defense that in an expanding universe energy isn't conserved and thus the "energy conservation law" is false and therefore all criticism of Einstein's field equations are incorrect, friendly reminder to you that Einstein required his field equations to satisfy the usual conservation of energy and momentum.

To do so he introduced his pseudotensor which has been demonstrated to be entirely meaningless (see: https://files.catbox.moe/hvc1fy.pdf and related: https://files.catbox.moe/q7ll4z.pdf )

"Big bang" theory is based upon Einstein’s field equations. Since the field equations violate the usual conservation laws, the theory of a big bang is fundamentally flawed.

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11585603

>>11585596
Therefore, invoking a "big bang" to attempt to circumvent the violation of the usual conservation laws is a circular argument and therefore completely invalid.

Furthermore, Einstein's field equations are nonlinear and so the principle of Superposition doesn't hold in General Relativity. But it does hold in Newton's theory.

Thus if X and Y are two different solutions to Einstein's field equations, then the linear combination of aX + bY, where a and b are scalars, isn't a solution. Physically this means that one can't simply pile up masses and radiation in any given spacetime to obtain multiple masses and radiation. Additionally, there are no solutions to Einstein's field equations for two or more masses and there is no existence theorem by which it can even be asserted that the field equations contain latent solutions for two or more masses. Thus it's not possible to insert a black hole universe into a big bang universe or into another black hole universe, or to insert a big bang universe into a black hole universe or another big bang universe.

Nevertheless, Einstein's followers routinely and incorrectly claim the existence of multiple black holes from objects such as stars by means of irresistible gravitational collapse.

Now read pic related if you want to understand all of this in depth.

>> No.11585640

>>11585596
>>11585603
are you seriously expecting /sci/entists to understand real science? threads like these are like trying to teach math to piglets

>> No.11585728

>>11585640
Why are you here?

>> No.11585743

>>11585596
Consistently banning schizo threads when?

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>oh no! he... he's smarter than me! what can i do about this... oh i know!
>"s-schizo! you're a schizo!"

>> No.11585870

>>11585835
Don't write like a schizo spouting schizo stuff ignoring facts if you dislike being called out as the schizo you are, I guess?

>> No.11585947

>>11585870
Don't post on this board if you're a brainlet.

>> No.11585988

EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP, SHUT THE GOD DAMN FUCKING FUCK UP AND STRING SOME WORDS TOGETHER THAT CONVINCES ME THIS PLACE HASN'T DETERIORATED INTO INEXPERIENCED OVER-EMOTIONAL PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE FUCKING CHILDREN FROM REDDIT STUPID FUCKING CUNTS

>> No.11586054

>>11585988
>AAAAAAGGGHHHH SPOON FEED ME PLEASE I'M SO RETARDED

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>>11586054

>> No.11586069

>>11585743
Posts like these show the fragility of Einstein's theories and the cult-like nature of his followers.

>> No.11586512

>>11585603
I'm not a graduate physicist - I have no experience with tensors and no more than surface level understanding of general relativity.
But several parts are... iffy.

From wikipedia, the Gaussian curvature of a sphere of radius r is 1/r^2. That implies the units of curvature are in 1/meters^2. So 1/K would give meters^2, and the square root of that gives meters. So the gaussian curvature does not prove that the schwarzchild radius is not a distance of some sort.
The point-mass singularity is an assumption, as nothing *we know of* would prevent gravity from squeezing a collapsing star down to nothing. I'm not sure how singularities at the S. radius are treated. I do know that, when black holes were becoming accepted, they would be called frozen stars as some physicists thought time would slow to nothing near the S radius.

An escape velocity greater than c is the same as having no escape velocity.
If my watch is on sale for $10^10 (not in zimbabwe dollars), then that watch is not for sale. If we declare the escape velocity as the speed an object needs in order to escape, then set the velocity higher than anything can physically reach, then we can say that there is no speed at which an object can actually escape. Hence, no escape velocity.
Also, the radius is less than that value (like for the dark body), so the escape velocity is greater than c. Light can't escape, nothing can escape, no problem with the H-P singularity theorem.
The equations can be related to both black holes and dark bodies; newtonian gravity is the limiting case of general relativity. The discovery of atoms doesn't change the fact that brick walls are pretty solid.

Apparently there is a limit to the size of comments, and to my autism.
Anyway, the surface level stuff is easily falsifiable, so I have concerns about everything else.

>> No.11586640

>>11585596
>All alleged "black hole" models pertain to a universe that is spatially infinite, is eternal, contains only one mass, is not expanding, and is asymptotically flat or asymptotically not flat.
Wrong. Stopped reading there.

>> No.11586811

>>11586640
It's correct. It's precisely what black holers believe. And it's totally schizo.

>> No.11587066

>>11585947
I agree. Now get out.
>>11586069
No, they show people instantly recognize your mental breakdown and you should start seeking help.

As if posting moonman wasn't enough to instantly recognize OP's motivation.

>> No.11587084

>>11587066
OP completely debunked black holes and big bang theory. You got nothing. Absolutely nothing to counter it. You only got your anger. So pathetic.

>> No.11587132

>>11587084
Yeah, the peaceful white supremacy symbolism really convinced me. The schizo ramblings were actually coherent arguments. I'm an NPC now, like you.

>> No.11587234

>>11585870
He's not a schizo, he's "allegedly" a schizo and "allegedly" a faggot

>> No.11587421

>>11585988
How can I string words together to try to convince you that something you can see with your own eyes isn't true? I'm not jewish mate

>> No.11587433

What is speed?
What does it really men for something to be moving in space?
How can speed of light exist when everything is relative to something else?

>> No.11587466

>>11587234
I'm a doctor, my analysis is bulletproof. Schizo doing schizo stuff. I'll write a receipt, brb.

>> No.11587618

>>11587066
OP rekt you and the Jew seethe harder schizo

>> No.11587670

>>11585596
>>11585603
Based and actual science pilled. Pseudoscientists BTFO'd!

>> No.11587676

>>11587466
you are a fag and you drink semen stfu

>> No.11587680

>>11585596
>All alleged "black hole" models pertain to a universe that is spatially infinite, is eternal, contains only one mass, is not expanding, and is asymptotically flat or asymptotically not flat.
What gave you that idea op?

>> No.11587697

>>11587680
not OP but he's correct and you simply don't understand how black holes are officially defined by the black hole theorists and einstein himself.

this might help you understand: https://files.catbox.moe/b3aur6.pdf

also see sky scholar's lectures on black holes: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL7QIOZteWPpBWBOl8i0e-g/videos

also these presentations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev10ywLFq6E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zWy6_Mog70

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBorBKDnE3U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q185InpONK4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHZ5O0jTH8A

>> No.11588017

OP seething the fish won't bite. kek

>> No.11588205 [DELETED] 

>>11586512
bro are you fucking retarded?

>> No.11588208

>>11587697
Electric Universe is pseudoscience

>> No.11588428

/sci/ doesnt discuss topics, they just repeat schizo and retard over again until they think they have won the argument when we really just want someone to agree or refute us in a manner that is fact based

>> No.11588760

>>11585743
>Oh look someone does not agree with consensus I must call him a schizo!!!
When will humanity leave tribalism behind?

>> No.11588804

>complaining about racism on 4chan

>> No.11589240

>>11588760
Stop samefagging.
You write schizo stuff like a schizo. You're a schizo. Period. Trust me, I'm a doctor. Literally. Seek help.

>> No.11590049

>>11587697
Great links bro. Already knew about Sky Scholar.

>> No.11590946

>>11585603
saved

>> No.11590956

Nobody has provided an alternative to relativity that actually explains the precession of mercury