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/coronavirus/ general Anonymous Mon Apr 13 03:22:11 2020 No.11560130 [Reply] [Original]

Main thread for everything coronavirus.
Have you been diagnosed with coronavirus?

Have you survived or are you currently fighting coronavirus?

Are you a healthcare worker who has to take care of coronavirus patients?

Latest info on treatments and anything else coronavirus?

numbers and data on coronavirus 2 WEEKS AGO:
1,097,508 confirmed infections
58,536 confirm deaths
221,303 confirmed recoveries

current numbers:
1,854,174 confirmed infections
114,291 confirmed deaths
427,896 confirmed recoveries

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 03:24:53 2020 No.11560134 >>11560130 >making another general because the old one died and nobody gives a fuck about it anymore

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 03:37:15 2020 No.11560154 >>11560134 You say that now but you're going to want a containment thread for all the autists who come into /sci/ to screech about coronavirus

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 07:02:16 2020 No.11560481

>>11560130
Where is the med general? Anyways I have this problem in my neck where if rotate my neck I hear a loud cracking sound. Is this because I've learnt to crack my neck or because I have arthritis? My bed is so shit. Didn't wanna make a new thread so if an assistance here wants to refer me to the proper general...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 07:05:23 2020 No.11560483 The world is gonna end by July 27th.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 07:38:19 2020 No.11560537 >>11560130 Those are rookie numbers.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 07:49:24 2020 No.11560550

What are the chances of developing a vaccine if there's already thousands of strains and it has ADE? Hasn't research on a vaccine for SARS been unsuccessful after over a decade because of this?

Is this a no brainer and they just don't want to tell the public yet?

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 12:39:22 2020 No.11561126

I really prefer to have a general thread with credible information and not having to rely in boards like /pol/, I was thinking because it is a science related board people would try to be more diverse and just don't jump in the conspiracy and troll wagon .
There are containment boadrs for that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 13:32:35 2020 No.11561249 >>11560130 Holy shit where did u find this gif?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 13:47:55 2020 No.11561283 >>11560483 And why?

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 14:11:25 2020 No.11561332
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The following are current death rates from confirmed cases:
> NY: 10k deaths / 103k tested ≈ 9.67% deaths
> Italy: 20k deaths / 159.5k tested ≈ 12.83% deaths
> Spain: 17.5k deaths / 169.5k ≈ 10.32%
> France: 14.4k / 133.6k ≈ 10.77%
> UK: 11.3k / 89.5k ≈ 12.65%
> Germany: 3k / 128k ≈ 2.37%
> China: 3.3k / 84.3 ≈ 3.96%
> ...

Since we have more case data, it looks like the death rate so far is around 11% for the first 5. Not sure why Germany has such few deaths, and China is probably lying.
Things are not looking that good so far. Ad hoc, if the initial estimated death rate was around 3%, it's starting to look like the true death rate is much higher.
Note: This assumes that common testing is getting better, and that not all confirmed cases will require hospitalization, but initial self quarantine. This roughly accounts for the bias of not having true confirmed cases, which is of course highly likely.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 14:24:49 2020 No.11561378

>>11561332
I'd be willing to argue that the death rate is much lower than that as we know the virus is super infectious and can spread like wildfire even with our supposed lockdowns.

I think it's very likely that there are asymptomatic and mild cases out there that are going unreported and thus skewing the death rate by a wide margin.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 14:36:14 2020 No.11561400

>>11561378
True, the data is flawed and we can only get a better estimate with more testing.
I’m also worried that through the media and people getting desensitized, people will start gaining a false security that things are getting better, when this will probably last for a long time.

El Arcón Mon Apr 13 15:05:26 2020 No.11561463
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I am not able to easily hypothesize a mechanism for this global linear growth trend. The virus would grow exponentially without the social distance countermeasures. It seems too coincidental that those measures would retard the spread of the virus exactly to the linear trend. That is like balancing a pencil on its pointy tip and I have no reasonable expectation that that could be. The countermeasures should change the rate of exponential growth, not throw it into some totally foreign linear mode.

One way to get linear growth is to reach the max number of cases that can be confirmed in a day and then to keep reporting it but I don't think that's the case since its clustered a few large cities.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:17:32 2020 No.11561490 >>11561378 I think it's reasonable to say the lowest deathrate are the closest to reality. Places with good testing have ~0.5%, places with shit testing have >2-3%. Most US states were hovering around 1-1.5% last I checked

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:19:16 2020 No.11561495 File: 1.05 MB, 1366x768, 4-13.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11561332 >Using the shitty John Hopkins map with non-proportional bubbles and not the based South Korean stream that is updated every 10 seconds Get on my level

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:22:29 2020 No.11561503

>>11561490
>0.5%
No major country is below 1%. The only ones below 1% are the countries where it has just begun spreading.

Germany's death rate, which was the lowest of any major country and seen as a hopeful sign, climbed from 0.1% to 2.4% in the past month.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:24:42 2020 No.11561511 Why do I hear people saying the death numbers are inflated and that you don't have to test positive for covid19 for it to be put on your death certificate? Is this true?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:27:04 2020 No.11561516 >>11561495 Wow guy, thanks for the insightful post. Nice, you can do a google search for a better map. Must be tough having a small dick tho :,(

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:28:34 2020 No.11561526 >>11561516 >being such an insecure snowflake that you take my friendly banter to point out a better map as an attack Dilate

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:30:51 2020 No.11561540 >>11561526 >the salt Back at you. Thanks for the map desu

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:36:41 2020 No.11561558

>>11561511
>and that you don't have to test positive for covid19 for it to be put on your death certificate? Is this true?
Somewhat. Because there are so many tens of thousands of COVID tests to do, sometimes people go to the hospital with COVID symptoms, have or get pneumonia, and then die too fast to complete a test. These people pretty obviously died of coronavirus with a very high probability (maybe a tiny handful had something else, but not significantly many), but they weren't technically "tested positive".
This might inflate the mortality a tiny bit, but not enough to matter.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:43:47 2020 No.11561573

>>11561511
junior doc in UK- >>11561558
agree with this guy, some people have a clinical history and x-ray findings so specific to covid they're just sent straight to covid wards- we have people with 3+ negative swabs and their still sent to the covid areas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:57:40 2020 No.11561616 >>11561558 Aren't covid symptoms basically flu symptoms though?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:59:59 2020 No.11561624 >>11561616 Sorry I should be more specific. What makes covid symptoms unique to other illnesses symptom wise?

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:27:23 2020 No.11561719

>>11561624
there isnt a huge amount of flu going round in the northern hemisphere, and generally it doesnt cause such profound desaturation ( clinically shortness of breath) without superadded bacterial infection- at least in the 50yo sort of patient were commonly seeing come through the door

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:48:16 2020 No.11561777 Its a nothingburger

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:50:51 2020 No.11561790 >>11561719 Flu season can last as late as may

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:58:35 2020 No.11561817
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>>11560130
>Have you survived or are you currently fighting coronavirus?
i wasn't a retard and prepped way back in january. it was quite obvs the steps china was taking was indicative that this wasn't just a flu, bro. now it's funny watching all the fags who mocked preppers as racists dying of the coofs. high time we had a natural selection event to weed out all the normalcy bias brainlets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:59:27 2020 No.11561822 the spread is over

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:07:45 2020 No.11561857 >>11561332 By my math, so far the virus only has a ~6% death rate. For comparison, the worldwide death rate of influenza over the past 5 years varies in a range of 6-9%, with a rare spike of up to 11% at times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:41:38 2020 No.11561965 What do you estimate actual cases of covid19 to be? Because there is no way the number of cases isn't much higher than what is confirmed.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:43:11 2020 No.11561969

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86VJlhw0DQQ
Everyone should watch this, based MIT bio engineer PhD shits on Fauci
>>11561332
Although the trends are leaning this way, I think the data might actually be pretty inaccurate for proper medical diagnosis. Also, it's good to keep in mind the different age groups and their own case fatality rates. Who knows, maybe isolating the target populations for the virus like the immunocompromised, while everyone else goes back to work is the best strategy. People going into poverty is a bigger problem if the virus is already well mitigated.
>its a nothingburger
fuck off pleb

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:51:22 2020 No.11561981 >>11561969 >hiv doesn't cause aids mfw penn jillette.jpg

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:55:27 2020 No.11561993

>>11561857
I was estimating a 6% death rate as well for a lower bound, but it will probably be lower given all the missing data.
Where are you getting your data for the flu rates? The rates will vary of course but I think its generally expected to be less than 1%.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/
This article argues that it is much higher at 2%, anything higher is too high of an estimate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 18:03:56 2020 No.11562020 >>11561822 dumb berger, spread is relative. Its all a time line of spread, based in different places. NY is plateauing, but other places are still in the earlier stages.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 18:10:00 2020 No.11562045 >>11560130 I wonder why you hear about recovered people so rarely. Nobody's going in record saying "yeah, I had it, but now I'm 100% clean".

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 18:13:55 2020 No.11562057 >>11562045 Doesn't bring as many clicks

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 18:15:17 2020 No.11562065

>>11561332
>China is probably lying
I think China's numbers are low probably because they had a TRUE lockdown. In every other country, "lockdown" is merely a recommendation. In China, everyone's FORCED into lockdown. Their doors sealed shut by welding them with piece of iron bar on their doors by their government. They caught them early on, 3-4 months before rest of the world decided to do anything. Everyone decried that it was useful. They also had everyone use masks at the start. Everyone, except the Asians, decried that masks were useless. In Japan/Korea/China/Singapore/Taiwan, masks were used regularly. So infection rate was lowered by an order of magnitude in those respective countries.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 18:18:53 2020 No.11562077

>>11561332
>>China is probably lying
more like obviously, but yeah.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340018066_Correcting_under-reported_COVID-19_case_numbers
>In the case of China, it is estimated that more than 700.000 cases of COVID-19 actually occurred instead of the confirmed 80,932 cases as of 3/13/2020.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 18:44:05 2020 No.11562146

>>11561993
>Where are you getting your data for the flu rates?
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html
I think the discrepancy is that the ~2% figure in the article you mentioned is the percentage of respiratory deaths related to influenza, whereas the 6-9% figure I've brought up is the mortality rate of people that have contacted influenza. In other words, one is looking at the total number of deaths due to respiratory issues and what slice of that number is related to influenza, and the other is saying that of the people that have had influenza, 6-9% of those people die. So those 6-9% of people are within that 2%, if that makes sense.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 19:20:06 2020 No.11562240

>>11560130

I'm asking here because I literally can't find any information anywhere else on the internet: can other viruses cause a flu test to show positive? Could like an active Corona virus or HIV cause a flu test to come back positive? I tested positive for flu, specifically Influenza A at the end of February. Does that definitely mean it was a flu virus? Are the tests created to only test for that years strain, or a broader range of viruses? Any medfags out there?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 23:34:23 2020 No.11562798 >>11561616 Shortness of breath and loss of taste/smell don't come from flu

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 00:55:44 2020 No.11562978 >>11562798 >loss of taste/smell Very rare. Most cases, even more serious ones, do not experience this. Shortness of breath could be a number of things. Not specific at all.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 01:02:53 2020 No.11562989

>>11562978
No, its common but certainly not definitive. The problem is many respiratory illnesses have anosmia as a symptom. Even allergies can cause a loss of taste or smell. Doesn't help that the symptoms vary so wildly from person to person. Some vomit and get the shits, other don't, many are asymptomatic and many are extremely ill and hit hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 01:14:10 2020 No.11563013 >>11561332 death rate is barely 1.5% in australia. its just wiping out third world countries like the USA and EU.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 01:33:12 2020 No.11563048 >>11562057 Would ease the panic significantly though. I just wanna hear people are really okay again, no scarring etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 01:38:22 2020 No.11563053 >>11563048 Panic=profit Funny you think they give a fuck about people's mental well being when money is in the picture.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 02:31:14 2020 No.11563142
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Reposting this from /pol/.

>archive.vn/uRnCp
“Coronavirus has already mutated in Brasil”: An Interview with Margareth Dalcomo of Fiocruz

Original link: https://www.brasilwire.com/coronavirus-has-already-mutated-in-brasil-an-interview-with-margareth-dalcomo/

There's some good information here so read the interview.

Also, the coronavirus in Brazil is killing 1/4th of the people who are outside the groups of higher risks. People who aren't elderly and don't have comorbidities are dying at a higher rate than people in Europe.

Original thread here: >>253289443

Here are the links to the articles, use Google Translate:

>http://archive.vn/DfcTY
https://oglobo.globo.com/sociedade/coronavirus/no-brasil-um-quarto-dos-mortos-por-coronavirus-esta-fora-dos-grupos-de-risco-1-24367017

>http://archive.vn/olWvr
Can someone who's competent tell me if this mutation is a real threat or not. Kept reminding me of pic related post a few months ago

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:34:57 2020 No.11563231 >>11561332 If you are going off just who was tested you are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:36:59 2020 No.11563234 >>11561495 Reminder U.S.have more population than Spain, Italy, France and Germany combined and by a per captia numbers are doing better than all of them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:38:05 2020 No.11563235 >>11563142 This pic seems pseudo to me. And no nowhere in that article does it mention the virus mutating. Even if it did mutate, I don’t think it would get deadlier, or else it would just die

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:39:27 2020 No.11563238 >>11563231 Nah it’s estimation of the parameters you nut. Read the assumption, the data is obviously biased

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:43:32 2020 No.11563244 >>11560134 >tfw Hospital ran out of ppe's 3 days ago and are now recruiting workers to work without ppe's but for 4x the salary price + hazard pay So far theres only 3 of us working in the corona ward without any protection

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:43:37 2020 No.11563245
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>>11561511
Because it’s the fucking flu,
Ada sent instructions to doctors to mark most deaths as corvid. The hospital gets xtra government funding for corvid deaths.
Most of the dying are over 70 with cancers
The AVERAGE age of deaths in Italy was 79.5
SEVENTY FUCKING NINE. Which means ~half of them were older than that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:54:21 2020 No.11563261 >>11563142 Fuck off, you retarded happeningfaggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 04:54:29 2020 No.11563322 File: 45 KB, 315x308, 1442215983273.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] please just tell me it's eventually going to be ok

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 06:10:07 2020 No.11563415
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>>11563142
i love how /pol/ was calling this while the midwits here couldn't get their diminutive heads out of their asses to realize broken clocks are right twice a day. btw coronachan has mutated a number of times already. there is no way of being certain how deadly and infectious each iteration will be but i have high hopes that one will choke out all these brainlets in a cytokine storm death.
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 06:42:01 2020 No.11563461 >>11563053 :-( >>11563415 How do you pronounce "PNAS"? I do it like "pee nass", but it often makes me think about "penis".

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 06:48:18 2020 No.11563470 >>11563461 yup, peenas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 06:54:54 2020 No.11563483 >>11563415 If a virus is copying itself trillions of times, no shit it’s going to mutate. /pol/ gtfo schizos

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:01:26 2020 No.11563490 >>11563415 Kinda easy to be right when you are spouting every opinion possible simultaneously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:04:23 2020 No.11563492 >>11563490 kek

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:08:13 2020 No.11563498
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>>11563483
obviously no shit, sherlock. if you thought posting that was supposed to be a proof of that most logical outcomes then you really are stupid and grasping for straws. it was just to show the phyologenetic analysis of the mutations we know so far. cuck schizo retard brainlet smooth brain bitch ass nigger.

>>11563490
idk about you but the only opinion i was "spouting" was guys 'stop being retarded and start prepping' which i did accordingly. now it's hilarious watching all the normalcy biased faggots scrambling for toilet paper when they spent all those months whining about the racism boogeyman and conspiracy theories they heard from their precious msm they treat like true believers treat the bible dismissing the precautionary principle and the shitshow that was unfolding in china. but i digress, boy it's wonderful watching this shit show of a house of cards crumble with a few enveloped chinese grills.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:21:27 2020 No.11563520 >>11560130 >Have you been diagnosed with coronavirus? Recovered 3 days ago.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:24:03 2020 No.11563525

If you're the boomer who literally fucking directly coughed on me a week ago at Wallmart, go fuck yourself. My mind is just a jumble of messy thoughts racing by constantly and I feel a slight "something" in my lungs that I can't tell if it is bad or not (but it's making my heart race like crazy).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:52:13 2020 No.11563572 >>11563498 Trust me boy, whatever prepping you did, it's not enough. If SHTF actually happens, you have less than 50% chance of surviving. Only rich people in bunkers are beyond that

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:53:46 2020 No.11563577 >>11563525 I've had people cough in my way a few times now. Is it considered self-defense to punch them in the tits?

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 09:29:03 2020 No.11563749
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Should I worry about coronavirus even though I'm 20, healthy, fit, with no underlying health conditions? I was looking at the stastics from worldometer that people ages 20-30 have a 0.2% mortality rate and a slightly higher serious case rate.

So I have it in my head that when I inevitably get infected, either it will be asymptomatic or mild, so o don't have to worry too much about getting infected. In fact, it might be better to just get it over with. I mean you hear about serious cases and deaths from people my age but it's so rare every one makes a news headline so... The chances of me getting it bad are very slim

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 09:33:29 2020 No.11563757

>>11563749
First off, I'm not a medical professional. Second, IMO, I think as a 20 year-old with no underlying conditions, your biggest concern isn't contracting the virus itself but rather the risk that you might spread it to other people. You could end up being asymptomatic but meanwhile you could be passing it off to other individuals who may be compromised or may interact with other individuals who are compromised. So no, you should worry too much about dying from it, but please be considerate towards others since not everyone can be as lucky!

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 09:39:45 2020 No.11563774

>>11563757
Thanks bro. I've been in self-quarantine for 2 months now all prepped up but since the chances of me getting it bad are so slim I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going mental thinking it wouldn't be bad even if I got it.

Obviously I'll be wearing a mask and taking all the same precautions if I ever leave the house, but it helps knowing that I don't have too much to worry about myself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 12:00:50 2020 No.11564104 >>11560550 SARS disappeared by itself after two years It's fairly well controlled most places on Earth, Italy and the US are just retarded

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Anonymous Tue Apr 14 12:28:20 2020 No.11564156
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Looky look what we have here:
>Two years before the novel coronavirus pandemic upended the world, U.S. Embassy officials visited a Chinese research facility in the city of Wuhan several times and sent two official warnings back to Washington about inadequate safety at the lab, which was conducting risky studies on coronaviruses from bats
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 14:03:53 2020 No.11564434 >>11564156 >https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/ Seriously the CCP has to pay for this

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 14:50:04 2020 No.11564566 >>11564434 It's not quite clear yet if the leaked cables are genuine. Since viral test specimen were lost in other Chinese labs four times before, it's not that difficult to believe imho. It might still be FUD or someone trying to incite war.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 21:58:50 2020 No.11565826

What exactly will be the long-term changes because of coronavirus? Apparently California's plan to open the markets back up involves all the employees of whatever store or restaurant wearing gloves, masks, and taking temperature checks on the customers. School being split into separate shifts and classes being slit up.

Not to mention the economic impact, how exactly will our quality of life change based on the upcoming recession? How long will this last until people can stop social distancing and everything else? 2 years? 1 year?

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 22:01:01 2020 No.11565832
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China got hit 1st, so what happens to them is a might be a prediction of what other countries can expect.

Is China experiencing their 2nd wave? How big is it going to get in China? Does this pretty much guarantee the same thing will happen everywhere else?

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 22:06:15 2020 No.11565843

>>11565832
We don't know anything about China because these commie fucks are faking all their data. They have screwed over the world at every step of the pandemic, first denying there was any problem at all and arresting whistleblowers, then denying there was any human to human contact, then calling the flight bans "racist", and finally lying about the number of cases and deaths so that we have no idea how the disease may actually evolve.

https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-covid-19-death-toll-may-tens-thousands-data-cremations-shipments-urns-suggest-1494914

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 22:10:52 2020 No.11565854

>>11565843
Why can't the nation's of the world just unite under one common enemy? No globalist shit but come on they literally have no standards. They'd rather see the world suffer for years including themselves all for glorious China then help a brother out. Tired of this tribal bullshit desu.

Who knows what the numbers actually are over there. Apparently they're putting people back to work so the peak is probably over in China.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 22:52:36 2020 No.11565951 [DELETED]

>>11564156
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/
CDC had an office in Wuhan, but just a few months before the outbreak happened they closed it.

What's weird is, If they were so worried about safety at the Wuhan Laboratory then why did they stop looking over their shoulder with the CDC that were in Wuhan? I mean yeah China is dumb for creating super deadly viruses with bad safety, but what's our excuse for not being there to tell China to stop doing the thing when they're about to create aerosolized super aids?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 00:43:22 2020 No.11566218 >>11565832 Chinese actions more than their likely manipulated data seems to indicate the worst is over but that it'll still be a threat (think social distancing measures, localized lockdowns in case of outbreaks) until a vaccine is found.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 00:47:07 2020 No.11566225

>>11565826
2 years for the planet to go back to normal, 1 year or so for the developed world, it all depends on how fast a vaccine arrives. There's still a chance it might fizzle out after this outbreak, but it depends on too many factors and I wouldn't bet any money on it at this point.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 08:32:09 2020 No.11567058 >>11560483 My dissertation is due that date.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 08:33:26 2020 No.11567061 >>11561126 to be fair, a lot of what /pol/ had been saying turned out true later on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 08:38:32 2020 No.11567070 >>11561969 >if the virus is already well mitigated. But it isn't.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 08:40:20 2020 No.11567074

>>11563048
True, there seems to be a lot of "cases" and "deaths" but what happens with the recovered numbers? I've seem some anecdotal reports, for example a marathon runner who's young and said that now he even struggles to breath even when taking a walk.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 08:45:33 2020 No.11567083

Is there any data on the probability/chances of catching the virus? I don't mean dying per se, but for example, if I'm isolated but I go out to buy groceries once a week what are the chances of catching it? It just seems strange that where I live there's so many people going about with their lives. I also wonder about the people working in supermarkets and how they're in constant exposure to people on a daily basis, yet they don't seem to get infected.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:10:29 2020 No.11567125

>>11563749
Don't forget that it may have long term consequences. One of my friends had chickenpox. He's in the hospital for shingles and he's half paralyzed. Healthy, fit mid 20s. Happened randomly as in this week. Once you're sick you may be really ill and just be uncomfortable. I took it not seriously, but others around me, do. I'm still skeptical but I understand why it's a danger.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:13:04 2020 No.11567129

>>11567083
>Being this worked by MSM

Dude, its literally a bad flu season put on national TV to get retards like you to accept contact tracing and 24/7 surveillence for 'muh health' and they sucessfully did it. Didnt even need to put tanks on the street to get people to shut down the countries around the world and comply.

Pathetic, still waiting for efficacy and margun of error studies on these tests because there are almost religious tier belief that these tests are worth a shit when they can be putting out false positives more than half the time for all we know.

People are gonna get tired of the bullshit and start to mass protests by late April tho, ppl are waking up to the bullshit. Poor nurses being so overworked by their tiktok dance routines its truly a holocaust of a pandemic.....

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:45:19 2020 No.11567186 File: 117 KB, 1024x1266, 1586954411486.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Vaccines are bad

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:52:18 2020 No.11567201 >>11567186 Ass/thigh implants look so fucking gross.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 10:22:41 2020 No.11567263 File: 54 KB, 496x486, Screenshot_4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11560481 bump for this i do the same thing and it feels good any medfag would solve this problem for the 2 anons who posted on the japanese image board 4chan

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 10:54:39 2020 No.11567369 >>11563234 Why don't you compare state to European country or the USA as a whole to Europe as a whole which would be far more accurate comparisons?

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 11:02:01 2020 No.11567388
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>>11560130
What's the best scientific recap on COVID-19 and SARS-2-CoV now ? Pastebin is not outdated but the research part is.
Last worthy recap from one of us was this, but it was before the ferric iron evidence :
https://docs.google.com/document/d/110N1IKbV7tlB61qD-QZGqTBr5a2MCZqAqXgDCIfJxGE/edit

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 11:11:45 2020 No.11567411 >>11567388 Good stuff, thanks. Scary shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 11:23:45 2020 No.11567441 >>11563244 kek

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 16:26:21 2020 No.11568449
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i'm new to this board, i don't know much about biology and i have some questions
does anyone know what's actually involved in testing for covid-19? I keep seeing articles saying we can't do random testing because there's no tests to spare, i also read articles about a lack of "test kits" or that the test kits "don't work"
i thought you run samples through a machine? what are the test kits made of? is it complicated? I just read an article today saying we can't do more test because we have a shortage of swabs
the USA went from having a fairly small military to being an ultra super power in a span of months in WW2 but they can't make some SWABS? has the global just in time inventory system made us that pathetic that we can't produce some fucking swabs?

i'm so fucking confused by this whole thing, but the question i keep find myself wondering most is how does testing work and why can't we test more, if anyone knows and can explain it to someone who knows very little about biology i'd very much appreciate it

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 16:34:13 2020 No.11568477

so ultimately isn't most of the data we have completely useless since no one had done a significant amount of random testing? if most cases are mild or no symptoms at all, isn't it possible a huge portion of the population has already had the disease and recovered without even knowing?
it seems to me the only way we can get any useful is with random testing yet we aren't doing this

even if there is a shortage of tests couldn't we at least sacrifice a few thousand to use for random testing, that way we could get a gauge on what percentage of the healthy population likely has it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 16:37:57 2020 No.11568493 >>11560130 >about 2 million reported cases Those are rookie numbers! There's no way it'll infect all 8 billion people and start causing organ failure before a vaccination is developed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 18:55:07 2020 No.11568931 File: 461 KB, 1092x2148, 1586811515040.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11560130 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c07MnRmJPcI

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 19:38:32 2020 No.11569067

>>11568449
welcome, fren.

>does anyone know what's actually involved in testing for covid-19?
so it's a procedure called pcr. which detects the viral RNA by making millions of copies of it (amplifying as it's called) so it can be detected.

>I keep seeing articles saying we can't do random testing because there's no tests to spare, i also read articles about a lack of "test kits" or that the test kits "don't work"
some of the test kits are faulty, many sent from china. there is a shortage because other than taiwan, south korea, and a few other places have retards in the health ministries/departments.

>what are the test kits made of?
so these are RNA sequences that are complementatry to the viral target ones plus enzyme polymerase, the p in pcr which stands for polymerase chain reaction.

>is it complicated?
kinda, it's not simple but it's not hard tho only a few labs make the kits. design can also be tricky.

>I just read an article today saying we can't do more test because we have a shortage of swabs
supply chain is fucked because we centralized the world's manufacturing hub in china. dumbest move ever. but we listened to locke whinge about wine and portugal for some reason. either way after thins i hope the world realizes that service economies were a mistake and goes back to manufacturing everything everywhere.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 02:42:26 2020 No.11570190
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can you test someone for corona with a blood test? i know the virus propagates in the nose and throat but what about antibodies in the blood how viable is that stuff
re: masks, what is the difference between buying a paper mask and making one at home for free that you can boil and sanitize, which one is safer? i have to go back to taking public transportation in 2 weeks and want to be prepared

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 02:43:38 2020 No.11570192 >>11560481 That's you snapping your neck, congrats, you're an immortal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 02:45:15 2020 No.11570199 >>11560481 >>11567263 Not a medfag but you're just cracking your neck fellas, don't overdo it.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 02:49:17 2020 No.11570206

Anyone who stocked beforehand is an idiot. The virus has a 100% kill rate, will ALWAYS reactivate and reinfect "recovered" people, attacks every single age group regardless of health issues, and can never be contained because it lasts forever in the air, is immune to all household cleaners, and reproduces ten times as rapidly as any other disease. At this point why not just put a bullet in our collective heads?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 02:50:48 2020 No.11570209 >>11570206 >forgetting it's sentient as well and capable of maneuvering itself in the air towards people to ensure every gets infected not gonna make it

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 02:50:54 2020 No.11570210 >>11570206 it gets killed by soap

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 02:54:06 2020 No.11570217 >>11570210 That's MSM propaganda to get you to buy more soap. Just like when they said toilet paper kills coronavirus, so that's why everyone is buying it out of stock.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 02:58:20 2020 No.11570230 >>11570217 it all makes sense now

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 03:29:42 2020 No.11570281
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>>11565854
The West doesn't want China to have standards because then everyone would have to start paying more for their frivolous shit; or god forbid, start making it themselves again!
>>11567369
Going by worldometer's sheets, New York, Jersey, Louisiana, and Connecticut are all shit (in deaths per 1M pop) compared to the main hit countries of Europe (Germany, France, UK, Spain, Italy). As a whole USA is better in that metric (deaths per 1M) than all of them except Germany.
>>11570217
That's bullshit but I believe it.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 14:27:57 2020 No.11571674
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what do you guys think about those nurses/""""doctors""""" doing dumb choreography while THE BODIES ARE PILING UP ANDTHE PEOPLE DIE BECAUSE CORONA
It kinda makes you le think desu

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 14:30:48 2020 No.11571686 >>11571674 I dont know what the fuck they're doing and its cringe as fuck, i mean the coronavirus is obviously real but these tiktok videos are sending the wrong message.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 14:33:31 2020 No.11571691 >>11571674 mds are rote mem midwits whose most difficult cognitive task can be done by a number of decision trees and nurses are over-glorified janitor tier retards.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 14:37:36 2020 No.11571704 >>11571686 leftists love this shit for some reason. Too bad left wingers aren't the audience they need to reach

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 14:47:50 2020 No.11571743 Any peer-reviewed studies about the effects on fertility? If it’s a Chinese bioweapon, it makes sense that it would aim to make men infertile

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 14:49:32 2020 No.11571750 >>11571704 I dont get how they think that filming these videos and sending the message that hospitals are nearing breaking point wont end up with people not believing them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 15:52:27 2020 No.11571973 >>11571674 Why do I have to have an opinion on it at all?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 15:57:34 2020 No.11571988 >>11560483 thank god

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 16:04:41 2020 No.11572012 Is it true coronavirus has HIV like properties and stays in your system forever?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 16:10:40 2020 No.11572026 >>11572012 no

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 16:11:15 2020 No.11572028 >>11572012 Yes

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 16:47:43 2020 No.11572153 >>11572012 maybe

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 16:48:31 2020 No.11572156 >>11572012 about three fiddy

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 17:20:56 2020 No.11572242

>>11572012
>stays in your system
It's not a retrovirus and nothing suggests it replicates inside t-cells

>HIV like properties
The have been studies with MERS where MERS and SARS was proven to infect t-cells, no replication though. So in that sense previous sars had HIV properties and new studies suggest SARS-COV2 also has these properties.

It doesnt mean SARS2 will lead to AIDS, but it is a fucked up virus. Luckily our body can still battle diseases without anti-bodies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 18:42:12 2020 No.11572538 File: 729 KB, 1483x1500, corona feet.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i want a girl to dress up like coronachan and put her pale foot on my chest so it would make breathing hard. It really emphasizes how the virus affects you.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 18:54:34 2020 No.11572575

>>11572012
No, but it does seem to cause some immosupression at its peak. This is not novel, however. SARS and MERS did that too, and it's part of why they were so deadly. There's no evidence for the airborne AIDS meme, but it does look like some people have a hard time clearing it completely since it infects more than the respiratory system.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 19:17:53 2020 No.11572655 >>11560483 Cause on joo-lai 27th, freight train is gonna kick the sh*t out of loo-gene.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 19:28:04 2020 No.11572689 >>11572012 yes, and sometimes it will go brrr brrr

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 19:51:56 2020 No.11572745 Just flood the gates. Let a few old farts die and were done with this shit by August

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 04:54:21 2020 No.11573843 >>11572575 >some people have a hard time clearing it completely Is there a way to resolve this? What can someone do in that case?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 05:37:43 2020 No.11573893 >>11571674 I didn't know the Harlem Shake was back!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 05:48:34 2020 No.11573899 >>11560130 >>11560130 Have you ever had a cough so bad your abdominal muscles start hurting from muscle fatigue and you try to conserve your number of coughs because your belly muscles are too exhausted?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 07:33:04 2020 No.11573993 >>11573899 yes

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 10:00:38 2020 No.11574218 >>11571674 Wasting that hand sanitizer for a stupid video makes my blood boil. And they probably did 20 takes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 10:01:53 2020 No.11574220 >>11572242 >Luckily our body can still battle diseases without anti-bodies. Brainlet here, how?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 10:56:50 2020 No.11574316 Serious question. Has the actual COVID-19 virion ever been purified and isolated or are they just testing for vague proteins and rna material in acute patients?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 11:13:54 2020 No.11574349 >>11561969 XDDDDdDDD Imagine taking a bought pooloo seriosuly

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 11:32:34 2020 No.11574394 >>11563490 /pol/ in a nutshell right there

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 11:51:49 2020 No.11574441

So my brother claims that he had Covid-19 last year already and most of his neighbors did too. He says it was circulating the US as early as October and everyone's already immune to it and that the whole thing is overhype by the media for ratings and it wrecked the economy for no reason.

Is he listening to conspiracy theories again?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 11:58:03 2020 No.11574471 >>11560130 /pol/ says there will never be a vaccine and that the true mortality rate is 100% because it can reinfect endlessly until your immune system gives out. Are they right bro’s?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 11:59:13 2020 No.11574477 >>11574471 This has been answered twice in this thread, you fucking mongoloid.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 13:00:58 2020 No.11574647 >>11560130 how are some countries like Australia doing so well? fewer cases, fewer deaths, curve flattened than other countries like Canada Australia is so close to China as well, geographically

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 13:15:00 2020 No.11574694 File: 49 KB, 533x335, corona3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does the virus survive in the freezer? For how long? Separately: Does heat kill it quickly?

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 13:45:36 2020 No.11574781

>>11574694
>Does the virus survive in the freezer?
Yes.
>For how long?
Indefinitely. Viruses aren't "alive" in the same sense that cells are; a virus has no metabolic processes that cold will shut down, it doesn't eat anything, generate any energy, or even move at all, it's just a bunch of genetic material wrapped in some fat with some protein on the outside that lets it slide into cells when it bumps into them and then the generic material hijacks that cells and forces it to produce more virions.

Freezing this only preserves it longer. Freeze it cold enough and it'll "live" forever.

>Separately: Does heat kill it quickly?
Yes. Temperatures of around 56°C have been found to kill the virus quite rapidly. However, note that Summer temperatures are not warm enough to kill the virus; they will slow it and it will decay a bit faster, but not enough to stop it.

MERS is caused by a corona virus just like COVID is, and it has a very similar outer fat layer and it survives just fine I'm the heat of the Saudi summer, for example.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 13:50:36 2020 No.11574798 >>11561249 It was in a pile of discarded y's and o's from phoneposting children.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 13:52:11 2020 No.11574802
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>>11574471
There is evidence that antibodies are not as strong as we would hope (http://archive.is/GuIBI)) and that some do not develop enough antibodies for immunity, if any, especially the young (http://archive.is/MxoHV).). Reportedly the "reinfections" popping up in South Korea are primarily in people under the age of 50, which coincides with that second study, suggesting re-infection is real. But most young people still developed sufficient antibodies according to that study - only 30% had questionable levels. So as far as I understand, this poses problems for herd immunity and vaccination but it doesn't make them impossible. Nothing's clear-cut yet about how bad it is, but "airborne aids" is very unlikely.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 14:06:03 2020 No.11574828 >>11560130 Why has germany so few deaths and why does greece have so few dead and infected?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 14:08:50 2020 No.11574833 >>11574781 >Temperatures of around 56°C So sauna or the desert would kill it? But inside the body you mean 56? we would be dead

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 14:35:42 2020 No.11574882 >>11574828 Countries that acted early, fast, and with clear instructions fair better. Shame we never had that here in the US.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 14:39:40 2020 No.11574892 >>11574882 i don't get it, Greece is a passage into Europe (illegals all over) and Greeks themselves extremely social and in touch with lots of people. How early did they lock it up?

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 14:49:43 2020 No.11574909

>>11574892
I heard on the news they locked shit up hard after only 14 deaths and a few hundred infections in early March. My state only started kinda shutting shit down late March and it was +40 deaths, we don't have much in testing still so I don't buy the numbers. My city had it in the news that an infected woman was at the most popular mall and it wasn't till a month passed that we had stay at home orders. And frankly no one is following them. They already wanna open shit up all the way and I get the feeling we're gonna get hit with a larger wave. But fuck it's also regularly 100+ degrees here in the summer so baby global warming will save us a little that way. If there's no vaccine by winter and the shit comes back I can only see more people dying because I know people here will have this false sense of security.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 15:06:03 2020 No.11574948 >>11574909 My state's still open. My brother thinks it's a hoax see >>11574441

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 15:16:11 2020 No.11574967

>>11574948
So does one of mine but he's also a looney homeless heroin addict. I tried to find him when all this shit started going down because our mom got worried for him. He just went on some bullshit rant about moms a bitch, the government is lying to have an excuse to kill people like him, and asked me for $20.

My other brothers in jail crying to be bailed out because he's worried about catching it in there.

Shit fucking sucks. I hate that my family is full of people that are at highest risk of catching it. At least my parents are old and retired so they already stay home all the time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 15:32:05 2020 No.11575014 >>11561463 everything looks linear on small enough scales Anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 15:32:19 2020 No.11575015 >>11574441 No he’s right and you should come over and mow my lawn

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 15:42:25 2020 No.11575042 >>11574781 How do scifags shop and everything? Are there agreed upon practices?

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 17:15:34 2020 No.11575342

>>11574471
No, they're just retarded doomers. However, it's true immunity is not proven, at least beyond the very short term, and that truly clearing the virus from all cells might take a while even after symptomps disappear because it also colonizes your digestive system.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 18:49:54 2020 No.11575620 >>11574828 Most infections in Germany were from tourists in skiing territories in Italy. Average age of cases is 49, while in Italy it's 65 or so.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 18:52:08 2020 No.11575630 >>11574441 He thinks it was just a flu, bro. They all had the flu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:03:48 2020 No.11575671 >>11571674 Woah, thats a whole lot of cringe

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:07:40 2020 No.11575682 >>11574471 >Are a bunch of mouth breathing basement dwellers who know nothing about medicine right? Just think about that for a minute.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:13:42 2020 No.11575701

>>11565843
>We don't know anything about China because these commie fucks are faking all their data. They have screwed over the world at every step of the pandemic, first denying there was any problem at all and arresting whistleblowers, then denying there was any human to human contact, then calling the flight bans "racist", and finally lying about the number of cases and deaths so that we have no idea how the disease may actually evolve.

This. I have to say I guess (by 4chan standards anyway) I'm pretty liberal, but JFC has this whole thing redpilled me. I already hated Chinese Communist Party for all the evil that they perpetrated against their own people, e.g. brain melting incompetence causing worst famine in history and hellishness of "cultural revolution"

But the blood of the world is on their hands for this, and this is not even including the fact that it was probably their moronic incompetence and shitty safety standards at the Wuhan lab that seem like most likely explanation.

This has now become personal for me as I see my fellow citizens dying and have my own life massively disrupted by these lockdowns.

I fucking hate the CCP. Like I hate them more than anybody ever. And I hate that their fucking shills are on this board running pysops.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:22:25 2020 No.11575726

Is Corona virus first strike in a war between the US medical and scientific community vs China's?

I've heard the argument that "if it were a bioweapon they wouldn't release it from China" but what if they wanted to let us know they had fired the first shot in a war while making our own citizens not believe it?

Releasing it there looks weak, but if it really came out of their lab they have all the data about it and maybe even a vaccine.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:24:56 2020 No.11575739 File: 28 KB, 512x512, 1449710224118.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11575701 you're not alone in this feel, fren. ccp will pay for this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:26:57 2020 No.11575748 >>11575726 Releasing it right from their own lab makes it look like the goof'd, but still leaves them with all the advantages of owning all its data, putting them way in the lead strategically in a war of science.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:32:30 2020 No.11575770

>>11575726
i don't buy that argument that they have nothing to gain from releasing it on their own people either. they have demographic issues from their one child policy that skewed their proportions too heavily with males. that can have severe stability implications. notice how most of those crazed shooters are lonely guys with no gf. and given that the ccpvirus kills disproportionately more men it may have been designed this way, if it is lab made ofc. i don't buy the "debunks" that it isn't a bioweapon. they are far too conjectural saying things like "if it were a bioweapon i would've done it this way so proof it's not bioweapon". all we can tell based on snps is how divergent it is other known viruses. not how it came to be.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:33:02 2020 No.11575771 >War has changed >The prophecy was correct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZryiUd7vg4E

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:41:42 2020 No.11575808 >>11575771 Never forget the Chinese government threatened a 16yo girl for holding her country's flag. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t57URqSp5Ew

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:51:32 2020 No.11575848
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>>11575770
Forget the overpopulation of men, they have an existential overpopulation of elderly people. They're culling the segments of the population that aren't able to contribute anymore.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:56:24 2020 No.11575869 >>11575848 indeed. yeah. it's all about squeezing everything they can from their people for them. ccp sees human life as just cogs for their machine.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 20:34:02 2020 No.11575990
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I'm worried that even mild cases come up with permanent damage, or leave your organs in a weakened state, which make them more vulnerable to other diseases. This might explain the comorbidity deaths, why so many people with other health issues die from it.

What about the people or asymptomatic or get mild cases though? Do they get permanent organ damage or lung scarring? could that leave them in a vulnerable state for the next time they get infected with a different strain?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 20:37:28 2020 No.11575997 >>11575990 Based and Venturepilled

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 20:40:00 2020 No.11576002 I saw a job posting for Covid relief staff, for people to go to where the more vulnerable individuals live (homeless, poor people etc) and have direct exposure to people who may be infected and they only offered 13$ an hour. Ain't that some bullshit

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 20:42:08 2020 No.11576006 >>11576002 Multinational corporations get trillion-dollar bailouts but Frontline healthcare workers and commoners like us get shit on a stick. I'm tired of complaining about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 20:47:05 2020 No.11576015 >>11574471 There will never be a vaccine. No other coronavirus has a working vaccine. Rate of mutation is too high.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 21:51:00 2020 No.11576182 File: 367 KB, 734x904, 1581701443530.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11576015 All I've ever heard is that coronaviruses mutate very slowly

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 01:30:32 2020 No.11576705 >>11576182 That pic looks like reeeeeaaally fucked up porn. Like, why is that thing on his dick? Why are his nipples sucked? Why is he wearing a mask?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 02:40:27 2020 No.11576866 >>11576705 Nah bro it's not porn. China really made a virus extractor

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 02:47:13 2020 No.11576878 >>11576866 But... extracting it from penis and nipples?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 02:48:06 2020 No.11576880 >>11576878 Yeah?

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 02:51:53 2020 No.11576890

>>11561332
Germany did not sell off its industry abroad, Germany did not cut spending in healthcare, Germany closed down its borders instead of pretending that such thing is useless because "the virus has no passport", Germany took the issue seriously instead of pretending for days that it would be a nothingburger and finally Germany has a functional leadership (no federal agencies, scientific comities, state governors or whatever that slow everything down with conflicting positions, just Merkel discussing with people that matters over videoconference)
In short Germany is not a third world nation

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:14:06 2020 No.11576929

>>11576705
The thing that really throws me off about it is that it's a LOT of semen in that collector. Way too much for even Peter North. Either it's fake and they added it for the photo or they're not emptying it between sessions.
Also, to answer your question, it's clearly a bondage and/or confinement thing. Fetishization of powerlessness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:18:43 2020 No.11576934 >>11576880 >>11576929 That's scary.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:45:49 2020 No.11577046
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Had it. 3 days of light fever, followed by 3 days of sore throat, then a week of rather annoying dry cough and loss of smell. Now on day 18 and my sense of smell has been back since ~6 days ago, still have a light dry cough (3-4 coughs an hour) but I can't tell if it's still corona, a secondary infection, or just stress caused.

Shitting myself that all the /pol/ doomer shit turns out real and it will re-activate. I know the whole "airborne aids" is bullshit (it attacks tcells, it doesn't take them over to produce more of itself), but the cases in SK testing positive again have me on edge.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:56:00 2020 No.11577055

>>11577046
>but the cases in SK testing positive again have me on edge
You can relax for now. The test has a gigantic false positive rate and it only shows the virus is still there in _some_ form. No statement is made about whether it's still active. Both together is what causes these.
I'm not saying your fear is completely out of question, but it's highly unlikely.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:59:44 2020 No.11577061 >>11577055 *false negative rate What I mean is it has a very high chance of saying the virus is not there when in fact it is still there. When people are cleared it might still be in their system despite the test saying otherwise.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 05:14:47 2020 No.11577075

>>11577046
>>11577055
I think it's more than just testing error but not "reactivation." Aka reinfection. So you can probably rest easy about having any permanent problem, just don't get overconfident that you're immune. I explained why I think this here >>11574802

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 05:20:57 2020 No.11577082

>>11577055
>>11577061
>>11577075
Yeah that's what I'm hoping and also what my logical brain thinks, but sadly humans aren't always logical so the "YOU'RE DEAD" part, however unlikely, always over-represents itself.

Also I don't have an English article since news seem to have just broken now here in Sweden bu apparently this trial https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7432276 seems to have been a resounding success, "almost all" of 125 patients it was tried on have recovered within a week. I think it's been done elsewhere but I think this is the first report with a decent number of human patients.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 05:37:12 2020 No.11577097

Illness report from NYC. Never been tested. Had these symptoms: fatigue, stomach pain, dry cough, shortness of breath, fever, loss of appetite, headache.

On these dates:

March 13-17: mild-moderate. The stomach pains kept me up all night.
April 9-12: mild.
April 17-?: even more mild.

The symptoms seem to resurface when I'm not taking proper care of my body in really trivial, common ways (ate mac&cheese for dinner, stayed up too late, etc.).

I left my apartment exactly once, on April 9th. I returned with a fever.

I'm worried that this will happen forever. But maybe it just needs time to be flushed from my body.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 06:03:19 2020 No.11577142 >>11577082 >I think it's been done elsewhere I've read about something similar today where 127 out of 129 patients were cured. I believe it was some university in the US.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 06:05:23 2020 No.11577145 >>11577097 >I'm worried that this will happen forever. But maybe it just needs time to be flushed from my body. Might be 6-8 weeks, stay strong. Some studies suggested it takes a lot of time to flush it out for some people.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 06:46:34 2020 No.11577182

>>11574441
It was probably a flu, this is my guess. Even though it's anecdotal evidence, I know a nurse who died while treating covid patients. She was admitted to the hospital (ICU) last Saturday and by Tuesday she was dead. However, she was probably in her 50s, she had been treating patients all her adult life and all it took was 4 days of covid to kill her. Again, this is anecdotal but you can't deny this thing kills way easier than a flu.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 06:53:55 2020 No.11577192

>>11574828
I probably think they skew the numbers somehow. For example I had most of the symptoms since march: very dry, almost nonexistent cough, shortness of breath and lung pain - symptoms I've never had before with a flu, and went to one of the official testing centers in Berlin and they refused to test me for covid, however they later send me the diagnosis through the mail and it was U04.9 V. which corresponds to SARS. So what does that tell me? That they knew I had it but didn't want to count me in the official numbers. I guess they do a similar trick with the death numbers.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 07:00:06 2020 No.11577198

>>11576890
You're right but at the same time from my point of view at least where I live is a bit different. Lockdown here is not that strict, people are literally going to the park every day like it's a vacation, streets are relatively full, grocery stores and restaurants are still packed, yet the numbers are down. Like I said in my previous comment, I think they're manipulating the numbers or something.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 07:48:16 2020 No.11577247

>>11577097
I've had the first symptoms in beginning of Feb anon

>2 weeks dyspnea, no cough, fuckload of clear mucus from the lings
>1 week pause, feel like I'm back
>go back to the gym, heart starts racing badly
>2 weeks painful heart palpitations and very mild SOB coming back
>my flatmate gets Corona symptoms
>lockdown begins
>he starts to feel better after 2 weeks, tells me he experienced all the usual symptoms
>2 weeks after he recovers, my palpitations have gone, I can breath with fully clear lungs but at around 90-95% capacity, sense of smell comes back
>3 weeks exercising mildly, going on long easy walks in the forest to slowly rehabilitate myself
>and now? my legs have started to feel like DVT for some super bizzare reason, it feels like I have micro clots happening and going. No swelling, no redness, just needle-like pain in my veins if I sit for too long or when sleeping

I think your body has to do the following before full recovery:
>get rid of the virus
>get rid of lung fluids
>get rid of lung clots
>refresh all your red blood cells
>repair damaged tissue with ACE2 receptors so you don't suffer from vasoconstriction

While having your immune system fucked up by the invaded T cells AND low efficiency in the transportation of oxygen to tissues

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:11:35 2020 No.11577270 >>11577247 What did you take?

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:16:19 2020 No.11577277

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but a new report from China (not peer reviewed though) says that a patient had it resurface more than twice

https://www.theage.com.au/national/a-man-was-reinfected-three-times-with-covid-should-we-be-worried-20200417-p54kvn.html

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-23197/v1

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:27:39 2020 No.11577296

>>11577277
>The 68-year-old was in a bad way. He had COVID-19, and his heart was failing.
>Then, amazingly, he recovered. After a few days recuperating, he tested negative to COVID-19.
>A little over a week later, he took another test – which came back positive. Back he went to hospital.
>Seven days later, tests showed he was negative. Then, four days later, he tested positive again. Back again to hospital.
That really sounds like either faulty tests, or just viral load fluctuating and ducking some tests.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:29:01 2020 No.11577299 >>11577277 it's habbening again

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:30:49 2020 No.11577302 >>11577277 >>11577296 The fact that he seemingly kept getting sent home (judging by being sent back to hospital repeatedly) it seems he was also not sick again, just showing positive.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:34:20 2020 No.11577310

>>11577270
>Vitamin C 1g with 15mg Zinc every 2-4h
>organic Green Tea with honey twice in the morning for that sweet EGCG zinc ionophore
>Liquid Vit D in coconut oil
>Liquid Vit E in coconut oil
>5g Citrulline with food, to raise NO
>1-2 aspirins 300mg when symptoms got bad to manage, mostly during the evening

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:36:50 2020 No.11577312

>>11577277
"The cases of reinfection – like the 68-year-old – were probably false positives, they said.

“Reinfection can’t be ruled out, but it’s possible the test is picking up lingering viral material in the cells, even after the virus has been killed,”

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:43:06 2020 No.11577325
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>>11577277
Same anon that posted this >>11577247

I personally had 3 "waves", with each wave carrying different primary symptoms (SOB first, palpitations second, now blood clots?).

I strongly believe the virus is capable of replicating in all the other organs which exhibit ACE2 and that with a lowered immune system response cause by the ability of the virus to attack T cells via CD147 it would do so even after contracting it the first time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:44:23 2020 No.11577327 >>11577296 >>11577302 >>11577299 >>11577312 The question is, why would the tests be failing in both China and South Korea, which probably use different criteria?

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:48:47 2020 No.11577333

>>11577325
This is really interesting. I personally don't know anyone that has actually had the disease and has enough knowledge to know this stuff.

How bad was the shortness of breath? Could you walk? And what was it like losing your sense of taste and smell?

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:48:48 2020 No.11577334

>>11577327
I'm not saying it can't happen, but this case of "reinfection" is bullshit. The reinfections from SK, at least, are about people who were negative for weeks before testing positive again. This guy just tested on and off multiple times in the span of 2 weeks or so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:50:33 2020 No.11577337 >>11577182 She was subjected to a huge viral load though, that seem to be the main indicator of severe problems. >>11577192 WTF, but do they mean you have covid-19 with SARS? I mean it is sars in the end.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:50:58 2020 No.11577338 >>11577334 Oh right. But isn't the virus reactivating even worse than reinfection, because it just means that it can't be eradicated, at least in certain patients.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:53:34 2020 No.11577341

>>11577325
I had (have?) it, I had symptoms in waves too, but all one after the other.
>day 0-3: light fever, headache
>day 4-7: sore throat, swollen nodes in my neck
>day 8-13: dry cough, loss of smell and taste (not complete but I'd say I was at about 30% at worst), yellow mucus
>day 14-18: light dry cough every now and then, comes in clusters, slight tinge of yellow in mucus every now and then
>>11577338
Well what does reactivation mean? This guy was tested so often in such a short span of time that I wouldn't call it reactivation, I don't think the virus ever deactivated to begin with. It's just the same infection that tested negative a few times because of fluctuating viral loads or faulty tests.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:59:38 2020 No.11577349

I think I might have had it too, but more neural symptoms. Started end of January. I had an oral exam with a bunch of Chinese students, so I guess that might have been a problem?

- SOB, some days really severe
- Chest tightness
- Heart racing so bad I once went to a hospital
- Heartbeat feels slightly arrhythmic still after almost 3 months
- Back pain, physician couldn't find anything, apparently it was coming from a nerve and reaching around the chest
- Migraine with aura
- Twitching in left hand, coming from the root nerve
- Stiff knee
- Highly sensitive to light
- Tingling, burning sensation at left temple
- Tinnitus at least twice daily
- Sleep apnea
- Periods of complete normalcy in between

Took two months to get better, but there's still slight SOB and a weird feeling, also tinnitus sometimes and rarely a tingling sensation at the left temple.
I can do a little bit of sports again, but too much cardio makes my brain shut down sort of.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:01:03 2020 No.11577350

>>11577337
>>11577337
Yeah, she was more exposed but the point is that she's exposed to countless other illnesses before and this was the one that killed her.

The diagnosis they sent me was SARS, not the covid-19 specifically. So the thing is they acknowledged I have "a" SARS but they didn't want to put me under the number of cases. I'm suspicious because it's just an awful coincidence that I would catch a SARS at the same time of the pandemic. My guess is that this is a way of writing off fewer cases of the coronavirus.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:04:44 2020 No.11577362

>>11577349
Yeah, my symptoms have been on and off since the beginning of march which is quite scary. The SOB never severe but when I try to workout I get winded incredibly easily and i'm /fit/ as fuck. Another thing i've had and i haven't really seen anywhere is a weird conjunctivitis-like feeling in the morning, but goes away once i put my contacts on and also a weird white stuff like "flakes" coming out of my inner ear.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:06:35 2020 No.11577366

>>11577341
I think it just means that they recovered enough to be released from hospital (multiple negative tests) and then the virus flared up again on release and they tested positive again.

I think they imply that undergoing physical activity brings it back on.

This is why anons are talking about something that might stay permanently like aids. Nothing is confirmed though.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:13:20 2020 No.11577386

>>11577350
>they acknowledged I have "a" SARS
This is really fucking weird. You would think that even if they find "a" SARS they would somehow do something. Huh.

>>11577362
I never had pink eye but do have weird sensations in my eyes in the morning which I hadn't experienced before. I also had stuff coming out of my ear, but it was more yellowish, so I don't know if that means something.
Do you have any known allergies? Maybe the winding up wmdurinf workout is caused by pollen?

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:15:19 2020 No.11577391

>>11577366
>This is why anons are talking about something that might stay permanently like aids.
I think that was mostly from people misunderstanding (and media misrepresenting) some research. It attacks tcells, like HIV, but unlike HIV it doesn't take them over to produce more of itself (which is what makes it stay forever). People read it attacks tcells "like HIV" and went off on that.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:16:24 2020 No.11577398

>>11577349
I'm the 3rd wave anon and fucking hell I do have bad tinnitus on top of the blood-clots sensation!

>>11577333
Blessed hermes tripsmegistus.
SOB 'felt' bad, but wasn't showing on my pulse oxymeter. At my worst, I hit 96 while resting in my room. Right now I'm a stable 99 down to 98 if I go up the stairs. When I had palpitations I hit 130bpm at rest. I walked totally fine, felt vaguely fatigued or more like incredibly sleepy. Energy levels were totally there, just felt like sleeping 12h+ every day. The sense of smell was one of the weirdest things. I did not notice it went away. As in, it went away so gradually that I didn't notice until one morning like any other I opened the window and suddenly I could smell the trees outside. That was the moment when I felt sure I got it. Initially I thought it was a bacterial infection or something. Then a few days later after recovering my smell my flatmate tells me he didn't just have 'hayfever cough' but actually experienced high fever and full blown dyspnea (apparently worse than mine). The bloody fucker initially told me it was 'probably just his hayfever acting up' and lied about any other symptoms but then I guess he wanted to stay delusional for his own peace of mind. Interestingly, it gave me further evidence I already got it. During the time he had no symptoms we were hanging out together every day. After he got the cough, I stayed a bit distanced but this is a small house with poor ventilation. My symptoms didn't get worse though, they actually kept improving at the same rate as always. If I didn't get it in the past, I would have totally gotten just by hanging out in the kitchen/living room.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:40:48 2020 No.11577446 File: 2.48 MB, 576x1024, 1587211093413.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11560130 Tiktok kino

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:49:22 2020 No.11577461
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How come when I eat fast food for dinner I wake up in the morning with a stummy ache and my asshole is on fire(If it’s spicy)?

This didn’t happen when I was a kid

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:56:38 2020 No.11577477

>>11577349
>>11577398
While it might be corona, could also be a host of other issues. Not the first time I hear about weird hard to place conditions like this. Some people sometimes get really fucked up by even a common cold and there's no apparent reason. From time to time you hear about the guy who was in hell for a month over the normal flu.
>>11577461
Because only your mouth and your asshole have the ability to feel Capsaicin's burning sensation, which is why it only burns going in and coming out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:08:13 2020 No.11577500 >>11577477 Wow that is amazing! So which of my five senses is used on my asshole? Taste or touch?

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:37:41 2020 No.11577571

>>11577349
>- Heartbeat feels slightly arrhythmic still after almost 3 months
>- Back pain, physician couldn't find anything, apparently it was coming from a nerve and reaching around the chest
>- Migraine with aura
>- Twitching in left hand, coming from the root nerve
>- Stiff knee
>- Highly sensitive to light
>- Tingling, burning sensation at left temple
>- Tinnitus at least twice daily
>- Sleep apnea
>- Periods of complete normalcy in between

That's called being over 30 years old. Had this shit for two years now.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:41:22 2020 No.11577585

>>11577500
>Taste or touch?
You don't have taste in your asshole, you obviously have touch, but it's neither. I'm not entirely sure on the workings of it but basically the only two places really sensitive to Capsaicin are the mouth and asshole, and of course some others like your nose, eyes, under your nails, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:43:11 2020 No.11577591 >I have a severe case of hypochondria ...the thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:45:10 2020 No.11577596 >>11577571 >That's called being over 30 years old. Had this shit for two years now. Haven't seen this in friends or relatives.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:45:18 2020 No.11577597

>>11577591
I actually have/had it (person in my house tested positive), but you're not wrong that the first week when I didn't know I felt way way better than the second week when I did know, even though the first week I had fever, sore throat, and headache, while the second week I only had a mild dry cough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:46:23 2020 No.11577598 >>11577585 >You don't have taste in your asshole, Errr it's surprising, but yes, you actually do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:13:16 2020 No.11577655 3 docs in france had 100% cure rate with azythromicin/montelukast/heparin/zinc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:14:19 2020 No.11577658 >>11577655 With the condition to start medicating ASAP

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:14:42 2020 No.11577661 >>11577655 Cool source.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:18:35 2020 No.11577672 >>11577661 https://amp.ouest-france.fr/sante/virus/coronavirus/coronavirus-trois-medecins-francais-satisfaits-apres-avoir-teste-un-nouveau-traitement-6808165

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:24:47 2020 No.11577685 https://www.doctissimo.fr/sante/news/medecins-generalistes-tentent-traitement-experimental-covid19 This one also mentions singulaire(montelukast) and heparin and zinc. (Besides azythro)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:42:41 2020 No.11577723 how accurate are the lab tests? I did 2 tests more than 2 weeks apart and both were negative

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:48:41 2020 No.11577738 >>11577723 If two, very accurate, the chances of both being wrong are pretty much zero, however they shouldve been done in the course of hours for that to apply. However, if no simptoms are present, one negative is usually considered enough.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:55:39 2020 No.11577756

>>11562045
Same thought here. I'm a psychotherapist in NYC and I dont have a single client who got sick who contacted me saying they feel better now. Most seem to be hovering in remission on week 2 or 3 with random fever days on / off but report feeling better. I have yet to speak with someone who recovered and feels 100% baseline.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:58:13 2020 No.11577760 >>11577685 >>11577672 I see, merci. I remember they were going to test those two months ago or so. Glad they found something.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 12:00:43 2020 No.11577764

>>11577672
>>11577685
I see, merci. I remember they were going to test those two months ago or so. Glad they found something.
The problem is, those patients were never tested for corona, if I understand the article correctly (my French is rusty), so the value of this is limited.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 12:10:05 2020 No.11577801
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Really fucking bad news:
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&pto=aue&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.rainews.it/tgr/tagesschau/articoli/2020/04/tag-Coronavirus-Lungeschaden-Forschung-Uniklinik-Innsbruck-6708e11e-28dc-4843-a760-e7f926ace61c.html&usg=ALkJrhjFQBV2tF4XnLPGPS_OgqCgyQHmLw
Young patients with mild symptoms who were cleared are left with permanent lung damage.
Nobody knows what's going on, why this happens.
You can pretty much forget ever doing sports seriously again.
Ventilators will destroy your lung, or the oxygen will start a cascade (not known what exactly happens yet) that kills you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 12:44:13 2020 No.11577862 >>11577764 Yes, untested, but out of hundreds i bet there were many, and none died.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 12:48:18 2020 No.11577873 >>11577801 >permanent lung damage >even the doctor in the article says "unknown how much will go back to normal" How can they know if it's permanent when they had it just a pair of weeks ago?

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 12:51:15 2020 No.11577884
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>chest pain near heart
>headaches that sit between "legit headache" to "pressure in head"
>weird pain in chest near left or right side (rarely)
>no fever
>no chills
>breathing seems normal
>cough maybe every 4 to 5 hours, very rare
>sneezing every once in a while
>achy neck
>been happening for like 5 days but still no temp over 98.6 or chills
I wish I knew what was going on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 13:09:10 2020 No.11577941 >>11577884 anxiety

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 13:23:31 2020 No.11577983 >>11577873 This was 5-6 weeks after they got cleared. Of course they don't knew exactly that it's permanent, but it being there for 6 weeks pretty much points towards auch a conclusion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 13:24:47 2020 No.11577987 >>11577884 Dry mouth when it happens? Then it's anxiety.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 13:34:35 2020 No.11578014

How healthy do I have to be to ensure that if I get it and show symptoms, I only get a mild case? I'm fit, 21, take multivitamins, but I don't exercise and I keep hearing about people who do exercise a lot who still get it hard.

Idk if there's a certain point where if you don't exercise you can get ARDS or what, but I'm still worried af hoping the stories you hear of these supposed "mild" cases from people my age are just outliers since you aren't hearing everyone with a mild case talking about it like that

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 13:36:27 2020 No.11578020

>>11560130
This is what happens when politicians start smoking pot. I mean, I'm kind of ok with the CONSUUUUUUUUUUUMERS ceasing their earth destroying activities for a short period of time, but if nothing else this "crisis" is illustrating pretty well how many absolutely hysterical rodent brain lemmings there are running around.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 13:44:36 2020 No.11578037

>>11571674
They've got nothing better to do after the "crisis" fizzled and pot smoking overly paranoid politicians bought into their hysterical screeching and forced people to #stayathome or face life destroying social media shaming at the hands of hordes of retarded lemmings.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 14:26:44 2020 No.11578152 >>11578014 there are some videos of young people on youtube where they describe their symptoms. it seem pretty random in that age bracket what kind of case you get

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 15:12:45 2020 No.11578292

>>11561332
The other German poster is a moron, ignore him. The quality of the health care system matters little when there is no treatment for the disease in question, much less in a nation like Germany where physicians like me are penalized for using off-label treatments. This is why the best German psychiatrists usually practice in Austria and Switzerland.

Germany took the south Korean approach - bias the sampling by testing as many healthy persons as possible which will inevitably capture healthy persons owing to the 9% false positive rate of it. Germans and South Koreans spammed testing and when testing 100ks without the disease, a portion of them will test showing it and being healthy persons bias the COVID-19 mortality downward.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 15:15:09 2020 No.11578299 >>11578292 German average age of infected is 49, while Italian is 65. That's why it's lower.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 15:19:58 2020 No.11578319

>>11578292
If you're interested in the death rate I did notice one useful piece of information. Probably the only thing about the death rate we can know with certainty yet - it couldn't possibly be less than 0.1% (flu rate) like some nothingburgerers want you to think. Because 0.1% of NYC's population has died of corona now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 17:33:46 2020 No.11578778 >>11577801 Have heard a lot of reports saying this desu

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 17:42:45 2020 No.11578808

>>11578292
And only testing the severely ill like many other countries do is any better? I really don't think that 9% false positive rate (do you have a source for this?) is going to skew numbers more than what, for example, Sweden is doing (testing only the severe cases) or what Italy did (also testing basically only either severe cases or traceable back to a severe case).

Will it skew? Sure. Is it a better indicator of mortality than most other countries? Yes. We'll only get real mortality rate once we random sample the population and see how many have antibodies, assuming antibody testing is doable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 00:50:33 2020 No.11579891 >>11564124 And then you remember that testing isn't readily available in the US

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 00:53:44 2020 No.11579899 >>11579891 https://euobserver.com/coronavirus/147958

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 00:55:56 2020 No.11579904 >>11571674 The date on this would be Important.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 01:02:04 2020 No.11579925

>>11579904
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Anonymous Sun Apr 19 05:14:00 2020 No.11580643

>>11578014
I'm just turned 30 and i'm in great shape and live a healthy lifestyle with proper nutrition and exercise. Assuming what I had/have is covid, then the symptoms are incredibly mild except for SOB which is not fun even though i'm not struggling too much (it's very uncomfortable). I've had no fever whatsoever and I'm barely coughing and my lung/chest pain lasted for just a couple days. I've actually had way nastier flu's in my life before, where I wouldn't be able to sleep because I felt like coughing my lungs out.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 05:19:57 2020 No.11580658

>>11577386
>have weird sensations in my eyes in the morning
wow like what? to me it is like it kinda burns, like when you get soap in your eye.

>stuff coming out of my ear
Yeah, i guess mine too, kinda like yellowish flakes or something mixed with ear wax around the ear canal.

>pollen
I've heard this before but t b h i've never had allergies in my life so it's strange they would act up at right now.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 05:48:58 2020 No.11580702

Do you guys think this virus is "normal"?
"normal" as in something that mutated on it's own from an animal to humans without external help.

Given what it's being revealed overtime about it's effects, it's the weirdest shit I have ever heard
>survives just fine in heat and cold so summer dealing with it is not an option
>can survive on plastic, metal, wood, paper and other kind of places (time may vary)
>from 14 to 28 days on incubation
>host meanwhile can be asymptomatic
>asymtomatic hosts are infectious while on incubation
>symptoms can go from very mild to extreme requiring ventilators support
>it attacks the T cells
>the attacks on the T cells compromises the production of anti-bodies
>after your body gets over the virus, since your production of anti-bodies will be very small (because of your fucked T cells) you can suffer from reinfection
>the virus can duplicate themselves in organs such as the liver, lungs, intestine and kidneys
>it's unknown whatever the damage to these organs is permanent or not
>the virus can trigger a cytokine storm
>having any kind of additional illiness, being overweight or being old severely compromises your chances of survival
>it takes from 6 to 8 weeks for your system to flush that shit entirely, in some cases even more
All a shitload of that shit seems to be RNG dependant
You might be healthy, get covid, and have only mild symtomps and
Or your might suffer a case of cytokine storm and end up needing extreme care for several days
Seriously, is this shit normal?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 06:07:46 2020 No.11580720 >>11580702 >>from 14 to 28 days on incubation Average is 5 days, lower bound is 3.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 06:12:51 2020 No.11580727 >>11580720 Median is 10 days. >>11580702 I think it escaped some lab. It happened four times before in other labs, I don't see why people act like it's not possible this time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 06:17:24 2020 No.11580731 >>11580727 >Median is 10 days. Did you blow in from mid-January /cvg/?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 06:28:04 2020 No.11580756 >>11580731 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incubation-period/ Seems so, but still, different sources claim different median/average incubation times. But okay, it's consistently lower than 10 days.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 07:16:16 2020 No.11580835

>>11561126
I have gone there from time to time to check on the links they post.
The things i have heard coming from the media in the last week, where things i read there over a month ago. And that has been a consistent pastern.
The reason i am freaking out a bit right now is because of the responses you get if you ask about the progression of this pandemic from here, or if there will be a second wave. There is mocking and then there are nightmare scenarios.
I did not take them to serous, until i read a professor in Australia coming out and saying a vaccine will probably never happen, once again, mirroring the responses i got when i asked /pol about it weeks ago.
And the reasons they gave me... where the same as those the professor was talking about in the article.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 07:29:49 2020 No.11580866 >>11580835 /pol/'s secret is that they spastically spout everything but in the end only remember those which turned out to be true.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 07:33:44 2020 No.11580871

>>11580835
A vaccine can very well take years in development assuming it can be done at all.
However some researchers in Oxford were bragging a bit about being "80% sure" that they can have one ready for September.
No idea what they found that made them feel so confident.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 08:28:38 2020 No.11580966

>>11580702
How true is it that the symptoms can go drastically from very mild to severe? According to some report I saw recently, there are 80 times more infected people than estimated, meaning that they have little to now symptoms and I doubt they'll just "snap" at some point and develop a worse condition since we haven't seen this so far.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 08:36:12 2020 No.11580977

>>11580966
My theory is that it's way way more widespread than we know, so the majority of cases we actually see and record are incredibly skewed towards the severe ones. The seasonal flu can be really fucking nasty too if you only look at severe cases.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 13:52:29 2020 No.11581902

>had corona 3 weeks ago
>mild symptoms
>shitting myself since
>sometimes feel like I have harder breathing
>start panicking
>breathing feels heavier
>panic more
>head starts feeling woozy
>panic even more, it's over, I'm dying, this is it
>get the shakes from the adrenaline
>eventually goes away after 10-30 minutes (worse cases go away faster)
I hate being a hypochondriac.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 15:11:05 2020 No.11582120

>>11581902
Has that too. Do some mild (!) cardio and pushups and stop watching and reading news. That helped me get rid of it. Takes two weeks or so though.
If you had it the weeks ago, what do you mean? Last time you had symptoms was the weeks ago? You definitely need to wait with cardio until it's gone for sure and then some more weeks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 15:16:37 2020 No.11582145 >>11560130 I have been diagnosed with COVID-19 on april 4th by the Tennessee Health Department and have been experiencing symtpoms since March 23rd. I'm 18 years old and still experiencing some shortness of breath almost a month later. AMA

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 15:19:08 2020 No.11582154 >>11582145 Did they do a thorax scan? What have they told you to do?

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 15:25:41 2020 No.11582174

>>11582154
No they have only given me a chest cray and there was no damage but that was on the 8th. Since I haven't had a fever since the 31st they said that I am free from quarantine but if my symptoms get worse to go to call them back or go to the hospital.

Tbh I think the reason the Xray shows negative so many times despite many people experiencing shortness of breath is because it causes inflammation around the ribs. Sometimes when I inhale I hear my ribs pop like a knuckle, I also think this is why lots of people experience backpain as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 15:27:51 2020 No.11582182 >>11582174 >>11582154 The only way I could explain is like arthritis of the lungs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 15:32:51 2020 No.11582198 >>11572655 Das why yu needa go bac’ to that ree tarded scool in Charlotte noaf car’lina

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 15:34:48 2020 No.11582208

>>11582174
Young lad, please describe your main symptoms and anything else you experienced different than your norm as detailed as possible. Any itching? Pain in the legs/veins when resting in the same position too long? I'm trying to gather evidence on the possible cardiovascular effects

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 15:50:31 2020 No.11582254

>>11582208
>Day 1
Was getting ready to go to sleep and started to feel pretty weird, probably a sudden fever and couldn't go to sleep.
>Day 2-5
Nose started to run and sinuses were burning extremely hard toward the endof this period I started getting a dry cough.
>Day 6-10
I started to feel worse in regards to my dry cough the beginning of this period. But towards day 10 I actually though I made a full recovery.
>Day 11-13
Feel completely normal and thought I was on the mend.
>Day 14
When I started to feel extreme fatigue and mild SOB.
>Day 15
SOB got a lot worse, I went to the hospital to see what was wrong and they told me my chest Xray was normal, but i was still having labored breathing and like a slight burning in the center of my chest.
>Day 16-Current
I felt better but still have the labored breathing like someone is hugging my chest.

One symptom in regards to your question aboit cardiovascular that I have had is that I have had a problem in my vein on my left arm for a few years now. On day 15 when I had the virus it hurt to even stretch my left arm out because of how bad it hurt.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 15:51:44 2020 No.11582257 >>11582254 >>11582208 One more thing I forgot to add is that my sense of smell is still gone since day 5.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 15:58:37 2020 No.11582275 >>11582257 Age?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 15:59:56 2020 No.11582280 >>11582275 18

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 16:05:46 2020 No.11582299

>>11580727
>I think it escaped some lab. It happened four times before in other labs, I don't see why people act like it's not possible this time.

If you follow the paper trial it seems all this started in the wuhan lab due to poor security measures.
This video is VERY INTERESTING in that regard, very short and concise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU
If this guy is right, the patient 0 was probably that lab student that went "missing"

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 16:28:26 2020 No.11582351 >>11582299 Interesting indeed. Thanks for posting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 16:54:52 2020 No.11582406 >>11561495 wow Africa sure looks safe! I'll just go there

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:21:49 2020 No.11583144 >>11563244 Where?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:54:59 2020 No.11583242 >>11582299 >hysterical woman scientist douses her colleagues in bat blood Does anyone believe this North Korea-tier BS and what actual story are they deflecting away from?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 00:41:03 2020 No.11583580 I heard a conspiracy theory that though the pandemic was not started intentionally, people did genetically engineer the virus to attack people based on race, age, sexual orientation, etc. Is this possible? Would anyone do this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 03:56:40 2020 No.11583975 >>11582120 Symptoms started 3 weeks ago and ended about 2 weeks ago. I'm doing light cardio now, I don't feel any different but I don't really feel like going to the gym is a good idea yet .

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 04:29:58 2020 No.11584005

>>11577362
I've been experiencing symptoms of pink eye in the morning along with GI problems and insomnia for the past week. Also have weird headaches, slight cough in the evening and hand twitching but no SOB, fever or throat pain. I wonder if there is some connection to covid with the nerve stuff since I can recall having similar symptoms after a short bout of flu back in January.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 06:53:58 2020 No.11584184

>>11560130
There's a rumor about this virus that you don't actually ever get over it and you catch it again and again until it overwhelms you.

I have been for two months with a burning sensation in the lungs that comes and goes and breathing problems. It never got yoo serious, but it always comes and goes, like I can never get rid of it. I live with several family members but none of them got sick. I wonder what's happening here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:18:24 2020 No.11584210 >>11574349 It's sad they have 9yr olds on /pol/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:01:03 2020 No.11584296 >>11584184 You got over it, but your lung might be damaged. Can you get a thorax scan?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:53:43 2020 No.11584403 >>11584296 Not while there is a full quarantine. I hope it will recover on its own over time, But this one has been a tough one.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:28:33 2020 No.11584456

>>11580835
>The things i have heard coming from the media in the last week, where things i read there over a month ago. And that has been a consistent pastern.
Because they said fucking everything under the sun, and you only remember that which ended up being true.
>1mil dead by mid March
>reinfects every 2 weeks until you're dead
>works like HIV
>50-75% mortality rate
>airborne
>incubation time of 14-30 days
>PPE doesn't help, gets through even N95 filters
That's just off the top of my head the stuff they were wrong about, then there's the misrepresented stuff that they peddle as coronavirus exclusive yet can happen with even the common cold, even if rare (no, they are generally not much more common with corona):
>can cross the blood brain barrier (true but so can the flu)
>can cause Guillain-Barré syndrome (true but so can the flu)
>can attack the nervous system and organs (see above)
>can cause anemia (it may attack red blood cells BUT even the flu can cause post infection red blood cell drops, we don't know which one it is)
>reinfection and reactivation (the former is true for any virus if you're hit mildly enough, and the latter is also true for a lot of viruses, again the normal flu can do this)
Go look at nasty cases of the seasonal flu. Now imagine if you put those in laser focus, you'd think the flu would end the world. No doubt corona is worse than a flu, but you can make a doomsday scenario out of anything if you really want.
>>11584184
>you catch it again and again until it overwhelms you.
Has there been any proof of this beside theories on /cvg/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:48:30 2020 No.11584488 >>11584456 not at all. There's all sorts of stupid theories around. Still, it's weird i've never been sick for so long.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:58:03 2020 No.11584512

>>11584456
>Has there been any proof of this beside theories on /cvg/?
Nothing beyond that old paper mentioning the HIV proteins (which weren't even specific to HIV) and those reports of people in SK and China testing negative, being sent home, then testing positive a few days later (which most experts have chalked up to the test having a 30% false negative rate).
It was confirmed that the virus does attack T cells and destroy them however it does not replicate using them (which HIV is able to do and allows it to persist indefinitely in a person's body).

There are a few theories from researchers that the immune system being attacked is why it takes so long for the virus to finally clear from the body.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:04:37 2020 No.11584530

>>11584488
Well, first off, do you know it's coronavirus? Since the exact symptoms of corona vary wildly, just about anyone who gets sick could attribute it to corona, yet every year before this surfaced there were hundreds of thousands of people getting sick in the US alone of various diseases, some very serious. My point is, it doesn't have to be corona.

Do you have any other symptoms at all? If you don't, I would say odds are you do not have corona, especially since none of your family members got sick. This doesn't mean you're in the clear, just because it isn't corona doesn't mean you shouldn't have it checked, there are worse things than corona out there, and they didn't go away because corona came around.
>>11584512
Yeah the whole HIV thing was grossly misinterpreted (maliciously, in some cases). I too think it just attacks T cells, weakening your immune system and, if you're not strong enough, possibly not being cleared properly leading to it reactivating later when your immune system lets its guard down.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:13:27 2020 No.11584549

>>11584530
I got it in China, as a small cold that never got really healed. Early Feb. Two weeks later I got a flu. It was very light and almost without symptoms. One week after that I started having respiratory problems. Things got relatively bad and they started getting better. One week later they got worse again. Yesterday it was fully healed and today it feels like it's trying to come back again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:14:19 2020 No.11584552 >>11584530 >especially since none of your family members got sick. what are asymptomatic carriers? >Yeah the whole HIV thing was grossly misinterpreted https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:21:52 2020 No.11584563
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>>11560130
So there's some speculation that using hydroxychloroquine or other anti-virals may cause the patient to fight off the virus too quickly to develop anti-bodies. In this case the patient may end up being reinfected later and the damage from the previous treatment may increase risk of heart attack or other stuff.

There also seems to be some research about anti-body measurements. It seems that some patients (notably younger ones) seem to have less anti-bodies than others and that some patients seem to lose anti-bodies over time.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:24:18 2020 No.11584571

>>11584552
>what are asymptomatic carriers?
For each person in his household not having symptoms the odds of it being corona decrease. if 80% are asymptomatic, the odds of 5 people all being asymptomatic are 32%.
>https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1
Yes, and it attacks T cells, it doesn't take them over to produce more of itself like HIV.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:27:27 2020 No.11584576 >>11584552 >literally links the exact study mentioned that was withdrawn and shat on by various other virologists/experts

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:52:10 2020 No.11584637

>>11571691
>mds are rote mem midwits whose most difficult cognitive task can be done by a number of decision trees and nurses are over-glorified janitor tier retards.
I'm glad that more and more people are starting to realize this. Doctors are fucking idiots. Most of my family is in medical and I've heard all sorts of stories.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:28:46 2020 No.11584720

>>11584571
>For each person in his household not having symptoms the odds of it being corona decrease. if 80% are asymptomatic, the odds of 5 people all being asymptomatic are 32%.
>32%.
so 1 in 3 households with 5 persons. not bad odds. wouldn't bet on but 1 in 3.

>>11584576
>"experts"
you mean the same bio major brainlets who were saying nothing burger back in january? lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:30:20 2020 No.11584723 >>11584720 >didn't even read the comments on it Your opinion is worthless. Return to your containment board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:34:51 2020 No.11584738 >>11584723 why don't you post them? proteomics is p easy to understand. i want a good laugh at bio majors who barely passed calc1 act like they're smart.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:36:47 2020 No.11584740 >>11584738 >why don't you post them? Are you actually too stupid to even scroll down on the link that you posted?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:38:26 2020 No.11584742 >>11584720 >>11584738 Please post your credentials.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:49:51 2020 No.11584771 [DELETED]

>>11584740
lazy actually, quick browse shows they think blast gave them chance hits on small motifs. still that doesn't dismiss that motifs could've been selected either naturally or unnaturally for their function.

>>11584742
i'm not gonna post any manner of proof here, but bengg in ee and msc in bioinfo. was originally planning to go for phd after too but then academia is for ppl too stupid to make it big in industry. i constantly laugh at the smoothbrainery of the bio lab group.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:56:40 2020 No.11584788

>>11584740
lazy actually, quick browse shows they think blast gave them chance hits on small motifs. still that doesn't dismiss that motifs could've been selected either naturally or unnaturally for their function.

>>11584742
higher iq than any bio major brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:58:38 2020 No.11584793 >>11584771 >>11584788 Sounds reliable, I'll definitely believe you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:01:37 2020 No.11584797 >>11584793 dude, if you've taken any real stem (math, phys, chem, engg, and even cs) you would know how dumb bio majors are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:04:45 2020 No.11584804 >>11577873 Because the doctors are causing the damage due to ventilating everyone even though most don't need it and it should be reserved as a last resort treatment. Ventilation damages your lungs and they don't heal back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:06:09 2020 No.11584806 >>11584771 >>11584788 lol is this you >>11580889 >>11580891 >>11580896 >>11580898

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:08:53 2020 No.11584814 >>11584549 did you get tested?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:09:04 2020 No.11584815 File: 5 KB, 362x174, i came here to laugh at bio majors.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11584806 no, that's not me.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:21:31 2020 No.11584841

>>11576015

Not actually true. Todd Rider with DRACO is a catchall antiviral. If they got way more funding and actually developed it more, it would work for basically every virus with no side effects. Just go to his website to see proof. Pretty cool and amazing stuff. Also check out his bioweapon detection system, CANARY.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:28:00 2020 No.11584855 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIW3TQpVJYs Any thoughts on this?

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:29:25 2020 No.11584860

Question for any swedish people since I just found out your plan on how to handle this...

How is it working out, better than being locked up or are people just as dumb as the rest of the world making everyone worse off?

I like the idea and it sounds better in the long run but it scares me being a paranoid introvert and all

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:31:13 2020 No.11584865 >>11584855 rare high iq bio major.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:41:06 2020 No.11584890 >>11584855 >joe rogan

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:51:09 2020 No.11584916 >>11584890 Ignore that, it's not the interesting part.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:06:03 2020 No.11584950 File: 360 KB, 600x596, 164.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11584855 based af, cont: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmSCMb8Nds4

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:15:18 2020 No.11584978 >>11584814 they said that as long as i do not have severe symptoms they will not test anything. Which leads me to believe that there's actually a lot more infectedvthan they let us know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:49:10 2020 No.11585061 I'm less worried about coronavirus and more worried about forced vaccinations rn I don't think Trump would allow enforcement of that but anything's possible

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:21:19 2020 No.11585181 >>11585061 >more worried about forced vaccinations rn oh you're one of those

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:23:59 2020 No.11585190 >>11585181 I wouldn't want a rushed vaccine with 2 weeks of testing either.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 15:08:24 2020 No.11585327

Are the ground glass CT scans of people with asymptomatic to mild cases true /sci/?

Is everyone infected with coronavirus going to get fucked up lungs? How can you be asymptomatic, yet have fucked up lungs? It's got to be fear-mongering right?

Surely those are just severe cases?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:46:11 2020 No.11585786 >>11563245 >Which means ~half of them were older than that. That's actually not even close to what that means

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:54:00 2020 No.11585810 >>11585327 Doesn't particularly make sense to me that lungs are getting damage in asymptomatic cases. Could just be me coping since I tested positive for the virus but I haven't had any breathing problems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:56:47 2020 No.11585819 >>11585327 It's probably fake, anon. If your lungs got damaged you would notice it, some pain or difficulty breathing at least.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:08:44 2020 No.11585855

>>11585327
>>11585819
Not fake. Recent small study in Germany revealed a team of divers to have lung damage which looks like it will be permanent. If they dive again, their lung will suffer rupture.
They were all mild cases who just stayed at home. Not asymptomatic, but mild.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:09:15 2020 No.11585858 >>11574220 Innate immunity >Neutrophils >Monoocytes >Eosinophilia >Basophilia

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:21:24 2020 No.11585894

>>11585855
Saw that study, I'm wondering if they had any underlying conditions, probably not. Also makes me wonder if all people who get mild symptoms will get that kind of damage, or if it will vary from person to person depending on how mild the case is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:24:07 2020 No.11585903 >>11577082 If the virus has a 1% death rate the odds that nobody would get it out of 125 is actually quite high 28% actually >(1-p)^n >(1-.01)^125 >.28

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:25:09 2020 No.11585904 >>11585903 nobody would die I meant to say*

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:28:26 2020 No.11585911 >>11585903 It was only tried on severe cases, those that have a lot less than 99% chance to survive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:55:08 2020 No.11585978 >>11585911 Just trying to prove the limited usefulness of a study that doesn't have a control

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:01:31 2020 No.11585995
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Anyone here who tested positive willing to explain what onset was like? I've had malaise since last night that has yet to get much worse. Occasionally body pains but maybe those are just in my head. I know onset is supposed to be gradual so I wonder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:02:14 2020 No.11585998 I'm 18 and fairly healthy but have shit cardio and I'm pretty sure I got it from a friend. Am I fucked bros?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:08:30 2020 No.11586025 >>11585998 I heard about 1 guy. 1 guy who was 19 and went to the ICU because he got a severe case. It made local headlines. I'd say you'll be fine. Step up your vitamin C game and chill.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:12:18 2020 No.11586040

>>11585995
For me I woke up with a huge headache. Temp was 98.6 in the morning. 3 hours later I started feeling warm and my temp was 100. Started feeling weak from that point on. Fever chills. Highest temp recorded for me was 101.8 I believe, but despite it never going above 102 I felt weaker than any other fever I've had. On the second day decreased appetite, constant headache, and a sore throat developed. Was hard for me to sleep, I was extremely uncomfortable and sweating profusely to the point the bed would be soaked. My nose was runny the second day, normal the third, runny the 4th, etc.

Fever broke on the 4th day and symptoms started clearing up each day. Fatigue was gone a week after but then I lost my sense of smell which has been gradually coming back. Never had trouble breathing, O2 sat was always 98-99%. Had some coughs here and there but majority of it was accompanied by phlegm, didn't really have a dry cough. Tomorrow will be 2 weeks since I first got sick. Feel mostly normal now but I still kinda have this feeling I'm not clear of this virus yet.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:16:20 2020 No.11586056

Another day, another city discovers the rate of infection to be orders of magnitude larger than previously believed.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/17/business/nearly-third-200-blood-samples-taken-chelsea-show-exposure-coronavirus/
As 50-100 times more people already have the virus than the models assume. Most don't need any medical intervention.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:22:55 2020 No.11586079

>>11586056
We need large scale antibody tests.

Quarantine high risk individuals, open things back up, mass produce the most effective treatment available.

I'm a little worried that the rate of asymptomatic cases might be lower than that study shows because things haven't totally slumped off yet. If it's true (which it more than likely is, this disease is highly infectious and lockdown measures in the US are pretty lax desu), infection rate and death rate should make a freefall anytime now. But when?

Does the disease lay dormant in some people for much longer than 2 weeks?

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:26:20 2020 No.11586095

>>11586079
None of these samples have been rigorously randomly selected so there might be some minor bias involved but being close to or above two orders of magnitude larger than expected shows there was something very wrong with the models. The interesting part is that these samplings are coming in from across the country so it's unlikely to be just a random local fluke.
No doubt it is going to be terrible for the vulnerable populations but for everyone else, the "cure" we've been going through has been much worse than the likely symptoms we're going to suffer when we catch it, if we haven't already.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:28:57 2020 No.11586103

>>11586079
>infection rate and death rate should make a freefall anytime now.
Once herd immunity is achieved. The higher the contagiousness the larger the percentage that must be infected and recovered before herd immunity is accomplished. My guestimate is we need 75%-80% before we have herd immunity due to the highly infectious nature of the virus. Luckily all of this also means that for non-vulnerable populations the complication and death risks are very low.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:35:32 2020 No.11586125 >>11586103 We still don't know if immunity lasts more than a few months or if it can be counted on at all desu

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:45:49 2020 No.11586157 >>11577738 You actually need to run a 70% accurate test 4 times to have a >90% confidence level

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:59:46 2020 No.11586196 >>11586125 One way to find out and it's not through causing a large famine.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:47:31 2020 No.11586315

>>11584530
>the whole HIV thing was grossly misinterpreted
>I too think it just attacks T cells
The "HIV thing" was literally just a description of proteins on the outer shell that have an identical sequence to HIV
We then find out that this virus (like HIV) can enter white blood cells using the exact protein explained in the paper
It's just that the payload is not a retrovirus and as such rather than doing anything productive in the white blood cell, it just leads to the death

I truly don't understand how people have such a difficult time understanding this simple fact
Because the people who made the initial finding were pressured into pulling their paper?
Yeah real scientific guys

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