the COVID-19 coronavirus over, the cure is here

[Anonymous No.11483636]

now you autistic neckbeard NEET incels waiting for a "big happening" can go back to your basement.
i know there's little going on in your life but get on with it! it's over

https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

[Anonymous No.11483649]

Odd how Italy is still getting hammered despite there being a "cure".

[Anonymous No.11483653]

>>11483649
news just broke, give it time!

[Anonymous No.11483664]

>stage 1
>denial

[Anonymous No.11483665]

low sample

[Anonymous No.11483804]

redpill me on this treatment. is it worth to further test it?

[Anonymous No.11483830]

>36 sample size

You might as well throw this trial in the garbage. No one will take a research with such a small sample size seriously.

[Anonymous No.11483845]

>>11483830
>no one will take this seriously
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/19/coronavirus-treatment-trump-directs-fda-to-examine-whether-malaria-drug-can-be-used.html

[Anonymous No.11483851]

>>11483830
After a quick search, a lot of researchers are taking it seriously because chinks got similar results previously and there is a theoretical basis for its effectiveness. More clinical trials are on the way.

[Anonymous No.11483857]

>>11483804
Shit's an hardcore antiviral stopping the virus from replicating. It's so good at stopping things from replicating that hair loss is one of the long list of side effects.

But it does work and is relatively safe as it's been used for years to cure Malaria.

[Anonymous No.11483864]

>>11483636
>Some of the most ototoxic antibiotics.
>Antimalarials that can cause permanent vision loss.
>No good studies to back shit up.

Would you seriously consider taking this combo? I might seriously consider dying instead.

[Anonymous No.11483875]

>>11483864
>Would you seriously consider taking this combo?
if my life was on the line, yes
the benefits far outweigh the risks in that case

[Anonymous No.11483996]

>>11483875
yes but would you take these drugs as a preventative measure if you had symptoms but you were potentially about to be hospitalized?

realistically, can we lift the quarantine and stop social distancing and just let everyone get infected and treated with this drug? what's the catch here, this treatment should let us get out of this crisis way earlier perhaps next week, no?

[Anonymous No.11483998]

>>11483996
even if it's reducing hospital stays by helping people get better faster it's good, you fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.11484002]

>>11483857

It's not an anti-viral directly. Any antiviral effect is secondary. Malaria isn't even a virus.

[Anonymous No.11484025]

>>11483998
does that mean we can start the economy again? I'm kinda tired of making a big fuss over a mildly more dangerous flu that's apparently got a cure now

[Anonymous No.11484040]

>>11483996
>can we lift the quarantine and stop social distancing and just let everyone get infected and treated with this drug?
>this treatment should let us get out of this crisis way earlier perhaps next week, no?
Not clear yet, people may need internation anyway, but now they won't die.

[Anonymous No.11484044]

>open label
> non-randomised
> n=36

is science a joke to you people

[Anonymous No.11484046]

>>11484025
not a "cure", just a very promising treatment
we still need to curb the spread of the virus that's rapidly infecting thousands each day and increasing

[Anonymous No.11484060]

>>11484025
Even if it was a cure, our production capacity wouldn’t be good enough to distribute it to everyone who was sick. You’d still need to keep the containment measures in place to allow the supplies of the drug to replenish in time to treat new cases. The drugs will also likely only be given to those with severe symptoms, and so those who are infected with mild cases would still need to be quarantined.

[Anonymous No.11484070]

>>11484060
lmao no, we can fill the world with chloroquine in about a week.

[Anonymous No.11484071]

>>11483875
>life is on the line for coronavirus.

[Anonymous No.11484120]

>>11483636
Just take huge amount of ascorbic acid, and drink a few teaspoons of properly manufactured colloidal silver every day. And elderberry concentrate. And take some zinc. And you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.11484125]

>>11484120
don't forget your bone broth

[Anonymous No.11484132]

>>11483653
this isn't new at all... its been known for over 3 weeks..

[Anonymous No.11484143]

>>11484044
top kek they are just retarded

[Anonymous No.11484145]

>>11484071
ill pop ur cherry

[Anonymous No.11484150]

>>11483845
Trump is just trying to give hope for the economy to bounce off. He wants to paint this picture that everything will be over in a few weeks, but that's far from reality.

[Anonymous No.11484252]

>>11484132
>>11484143
>>11484150
>>11483845
i'll pop all ur cherries

[Anonymous No.11484335]

>>11483830
>No one will take a research with such a small sample size seriously.
Some people will. Just look at /pol/. Half their shitty fear mongering is based on studies with not even half that sample size.

[Anonymous No.11484353]

>>11484335
>it's ok when we do it

[Anonymous No.11486129]

>>11484150
This. Trump's goal has been to minimize economic damage as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.11486139]

>>11483636
>first it was just flu bro by directly comparing deaths from all thousands of different flu strains over a year to that of a couple of kung flu strains over a couple months
>now we already have the cure based on a sample size of 36
seems like simping is just a condition where rose tinted goggles are permanently affixed. a constant state of normalcy bias.

[Anonymous No.11486221]

Why can't the people on this board differentiate a treatment from a cure? Isn't this a science board?

[Anonymous No.11486228]

>>11486221
because you cure something by treating it, brainlet

[Anonymous No.11486231]

>>11486228
Cool, I guess respirators are also a cure. Then what's the big deal with this easy to cure virus?

[Anonymous No.11486249]

>>11486231
Respirators do not destroy the virus, retard. They only help you keep breathing until your body eliminates the virus or die trying. Hydroxychloroquine, on the other hand, actually helps you get rid of the virus.

[Anonymous No.11486273]

>>11486249

Not him but no, it reduces the time frame the virus lasts in terms of individual retention. It doesn't change the fact that people will still have to distance themselves from each other. It doesn't change the fact that the most vulnerable are still at the same risk of death once they catch it. And it doesn't change the fact that you first have to test people to prove if they have the virus or not.

This isn't a vaccine, this does not prevent you from getting Covid 19, it does not reduce how inherently infectious it is (only reduces the individual retention), it doesn't resolve the air and surface retention issue that helps it's spread. And lastly from reading the paper it does not guarantee reinfection which is an issue experts fear may happen in future waves later this year.

It's good that we have figured out a treatment but do not confuse it for a cure.

[Anonymous No.11486275]

>>11486249
That doesn't matter. This magical cure doesn't work in seconds, it takes a week of treatment with it to show results, so it's not helping with the problem of taxing the medical sector.

[Anonymous No.11486385]

>>11486273
>>11486275
You don't understand, this treatment may reduce or even eliminate the need of ICU, which would make corona a minor issue, allowing normal life to resume and saving the economy.

[Anonymous No.11486394]

>>11483636
dude just take some benedril bro

[Anonymous No.11486446]

>>11486385
There are only so many beds and doctors, dude. Not to mention the production of this thing needs to be insane if we lift regulations and let spread skyrocket.

[Anonymous No.11486492]

>>11484025
>mildly more dangerous flu

It LESS dangerous than flu. Only difference is, we have weapons against flu. Not against COVID19.

Oh and the flu isnt nearly as stealthy.

[Anonymous No.11486546]

>>11486492
>we have weapons against flu. Not against COVID19
not for long

[Anonymous No.11486572]

>>11486385
proof?

[Anonymous No.11486581]

>>11483636
>using incel unironically
OP pays e-thots to say his name.

[Anonymous No.11486596]

If this cure is potent, then why hasn't malaria disappeared off the face of the Earth?

[Anonymous No.11486607]

This isn’t the only study done using chloroquine:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5

So stop complaining about muh sample size you fucking idiots

[Anonymous No.11486610]

>>11486607
>>11483636
>p hacking
;p

[Anonymous No.11486629]

Is this the only study that all this media fuss about hydroxychloroquine is based on? Aren't there any other? Seems like grasping for straws if that was the case.

[Anonymous No.11486661]

>>11486572
coming soon
>>11486629
read the fucking thread, retard

[Anonymous No.11486672]

>>11486661
I read it. It's the only actual study posted here. Everything else is news about future studies.

[Anonymous No.11486676]

>>11483996
>yes but would you take these drugs as a preventative measure if you had symptoms but you were potentially about to be hospitalized?
i strongly doubt we have a big enough supply chain to supply it to anyone who has symptoms in the doses required

[Anonymous No.11486680]

>>11486492
>It LESS dangerous than flu.
>orders of magnitude higher death rates in advanced age population
>less dangerous

[Anonymous No.11486742]

How was this not a bioweapon? Every anon here who followed this since January 3rd on this board knows how fast the Chinese inacted complete lockdown, even going so far as to throw gravel on the streets so people can't flee or bolting their homes.

Why would China go to such lengths so quickly if this was just a SARS like outbreak? Look at the rest of the world, Europe took forever to go on lockdown, same as America. Actions speak louder than words and right now I'm starting to believe the Chinese knew what this was exactly and locked down because of its infectiousness and mortality rate.

[Anonymous No.11486748]

>>11484044
>non-randomised
wtf

[Anonymous No.11486752]

>>11486596
see
>>11486273
this is not a "cure" you imbecile

>>11486680
to be fair most of these deaths are because we take the masks off the 80+ year olds and put them on 30 year olds because the chances of the 80 year olds survival are lower etc. this shit goes unreported outside of italy but italian doctors are literally letting people die to save others which is why you have so many deaths in that age group particularly

[Anonymous No.11486764]

>>11486742
>How was this not a bioweapon?
If this was known a bioweapon then Trump and other countries would get on China HARD. I expect the US and UN will put China on blast then give the country an ultimatum to push for a vaccine or face WAR.

[Anonymous No.11486770]

>>11486764
anon in all likelihood there will be a council or some kind of international effort to understand and trace back every step of how this happened

china will eventually get btfo and if there indeed was a conspiracy to hide a leaked bioweapon even if it was unintentionally leaked, the chinese will pay dearly for decades to come

[Anonymous No.11486800]

>>11486764
What could they realistically do? Nobody's going to war with China

[Anonymous No.11486804]

>>11486742
that's probably what it was, bio-weapon they let loose by accident. Charles Lieber, a bio-chemist, is under arrest by the FBI for smuggling organic material into China. He also worked for a lab in Wuhan.

There is also the odd behaviour of jewish activist claiming they are being discriminated against because of this virus (Lieber is jewish). They published articles and tried to instigate mobs on twitter against airlines etc. Lieber probably sold bio-weapons research to China, and now the ADL and other similar jewish interests groups are trying to plant the idea in the zeitgeist that they are now the victims of anti-semitism because of this

[Anonymous No.11486819]

>>11486804
>the jew cries out in pain as he strikes you

[Anonymous No.11486839]

>>11486742
Viruses are not used as bioweapons, bacteria are. Also they would be retarded to release such an unstable virus. This bioweapon conspiracy is just a cope for the west absolutely shitting the bed when it comes to population control.

[Anonymous No.11486855]

>>11486800
>Nobody's going to war with China
Another civil war is about to erupt in China plus Trump triggered the Chinese calling it "Chinese Virus" than saying Coronavirus there's a lot of hate with being creating this mess in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11486869]

>>11486855
Yeah, I'm sure the Chinese are up in a real seethe over Trump clowning around, while his country is about face another depression. They are probably losing sleep over it.

[Anonymous No.11486880]

>>11486869
Trump probably doesn't give two shits about the economy and wants to pick a war against China for creating this Coronavirus. Other countries are pointing the fingers at China for doing this mess if it didn't then Trump would have won his 2nd term election right?

[Anonymous No.11486940]

>>11486880
Go back to your containment board, schizo

[Anonymous No.11486980]

>>11486839
Wait what? Why would you use bacteria that can easily be disarmed, every major nation has a BSL4 with likely super hidden antibiotics or treatments for a bacterial "bioweapon"

A virus is exactly what you'd use

[Anonymous No.11487003]

>>11486980
Viruses get annihilated by sun light in like seconds and normally don't do well outside of hosts. Also they mutate way easier.

[Anonymous No.11488076]

>>11483830
>be best virology professor in France
>find a cure to coronavirus
>some nerds on /sci/ with a BSc will dismiss your results and parrot some shit they've learned about sample size and methodology

[Anonymous No.11488085]

>>11484335
You're going to have an egg on your face when /pol/ inevitably gets proved right once again

As I've always said, if you want the best takes about technology, go to /pol/
About business and finance, go to /pol/
About science, go to /pol/
About music, go to /pol/

[Anonymous No.11488088]

>>11488085
Decent bait. Here's your (You).

[Anonymous No.11488089]

>>11486446
There's like 100x time more normal beds than ICU beds
That thing is trivial to synthesize and we already have stocks

[Anonymous No.11488096]

>>11488088
Checked

[Anonymous No.11488099]

>>11488076
It's fucking obvious you've never done scientific research. There's reason clinical trials exist. You can't fucking play around with active substances like that, especially ones that are extremely toxic. Even if this substance works, it will take at least a year to be approved.

[Anonymous No.11488109]

>>11488085
it's amazing how stupid people can live in these little bubbles of delusion this far detached from reality

[Anonymous No.11488146]

>>11483636
They're using large doses and the drug is known to cause retina damage
It's not a first resort

[Anonymous No.11488436]

>>11488146
the side effects come from long term usage. a week of pills isn't going to make anyone go blind

[Anonymous No.11488990]

>read the study
>multiple issues biggest of all is the dependent variable
a-are you guys real scientists here? nobody with a degree can look at this frog's work and claim it holds anything significant

[Anonymous No.11489042]

>>11483864
billion of people have been eating it like candy for years, just fuck off you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.11489073]

>>11489042
Pulling out numbers out of your ass doesn't help your case

[Anonymous No.11489098]

>>11483857
>hair loss is one of the long list of side effects.
lmao NO THANKS

[Anonymous No.11489109]

>>11489073
there's like 300 million people that get sick with malaria every year you dimwit, people with lupus have been using hydroxychloroquine for decades too
fucking retard

[Anonymous No.11489123]

>>11488099
Retard, frogs didn't share their preliminary results because they thought they found the cure, they shared it to incentive more groups to perform more complete studies.

[Anonymous No.11489126]

>>11489109
Yeah, I wonder why Malaria is still the deadliest disease despite this magical cure-it-all pill

[Anonymous No.11489192]

>>11489126
>huurrr malaria still exists so it's useless against coronavirus
you massive hydrocephalic twat, get a rope asap

[Anonymous No.11489208]

So the treatment for malaria can be used, and yet even with that treatment malaria itself still kills half a million people every year. Great...

[Anonymous No.11489217]

>>11489208
that doesn't mean that it's ineffective against the covid-19 coronavirus, holy fuck, it doesn't mean anything

is this board filled to the brim with fucking idiots or is this thread just attracting /pol/tards like no tomorrow

[Anonymous No.11489259]

Italy has similar success with Tocilizumab, which is a lot less dangerous than H chloroquine

[Anonymous No.11489276]

>>11489192
I'm just saying, don't confuse a treatment with a cure, and don't confuse it based on something that can barely be called research.

[Anonymous No.11489296]

>>11489276
I haven't said anything about it being a cure, I'm just responding to retards that read a list of side effects and think the drug is literal poison

[Anonymous No.11489314]

>>11489217
What I'm saying is that even if it IS effective, it still won't stop hundreds of thousands of people from dying. Because the malaria treatment is effective against malaria, yet it doesn't stop hundreds of thousands of people from dying.

[Anonymous No.11489319]

>>11489314
Malaria has no threat of going global, malaria deaths come from people who dont have access to meds typically because they live in africa

[Anonymous No.11489325]

>>11489319
Yes, that's the problem. These are people, so many people, that's dying, and yet the west doesn't give a shit. The same will happen with the coronavirus, western people with access to the treatment will eventually be fine and not care about the massive continuing tragedy that will unfold in places like africa.

[Anonymous No.11489346]

>>11483857
Can't wait for the coming virus-free, bald future.

[Anonymous No.11489357]

>>11489346
That's just temporary, although the eye problems sometimes end up being permanent. But that occurs very rarely.

[Anonymous No.11489522]

>>11486752
that's not true at all. the death rate numbers we have are from when it was still in china and they weren't doing "old or young patient" shenanigans

[Anonymous No.11489573]

>>11489522
>chinese numbers can be trusted
ok boomer

[Anonymous No.11489590]

>>11489296
Poison is literally what antibiotics are though.

[Anonymous No.11489781]

>the cure is an immunosuppressant, so strong that they literally have to dose it with antibiotic to prevent bacterial infections

So you cure your Corona infection, just so the flu and the common clod can finish you off the next week. I swear, you motherfuckers never opened a biology book in your life.

[Anonymous No.11489788]

>>11489781
>common clod
>lethal

[Anonymous No.11489800]

>>11489788
If your immune system is shot, it can do some damage, yes.
.

[Anonymous No.11489802]

>>11489788
Don't be this stupid anon

[Anonymous No.11489854]

>>11489573
if you don't trust those numbers then we have no data at all, and the statement "it's LESS dangerous than flu" is still dead wrong.

also, if the Chinese fudged the numbers at all, they'd fudge them to be less dangerous, not more. that just makes covid look more dangerous, not less.

[Anonymous No.11489858]

>>11489802
lots of /pol/ invaders recently, they have no idea how to disseminate information for validity

[Anonymous No.11489878]

>>11489781
So it's like chemotherapy for viruses?

[Anonymous No.11489880]

>>11483857
>hair loss is one of the long list of side effects
dead on arrival

[Anonymous No.11490012]

>>11486492
>It LESS dangerous than flu.
I want this meme to die already

[Anonymous No.11490021]

>>11488085
Go back to /pol/ then

[Anonymous No.11490025]

>>11488085
Only if you are a burger

[Anonymous No.11490037]

>>11489802
how many deaths due to the common cold per year? what's the data?

[Anonymous No.11490042]

So how many cases are there REALLY in the US? The US hit 20,000+ CONFIRMED cases, but I guess without a fair amount of tests that could bring the number to maybe 40,000?

[Anonymous No.11490045]

>>11489858
please let me know genius >>11490037

[Anonymous No.11490048]

>>11483857
>hair loss is one of the long list of side effects
>virus is worse the older you are
Doesn't seem like a dealbreaker to me. Us youngins would just only take it if it's necessary.

[Anonymous No.11490085]

>>11490042
Do you actually think only 1 in 2 cases go unreported? Lmao

[Anonymous No.11490088]

>>11490037
>>11490045
irrelevant question

[Anonymous No.11490090]

>>11490085
so is it more like 1 in 3?

[Anonymous No.11490094]

>>11490090
Could be much higher than that.
>people experiencing mild to no symptoms.
>people think they just have a cold and don't take any precautions.

[Anonymous No.11490096]

>>11490090
1 in 10 EASILY.
Remember that there are also people with no symptoms(yet) but that carry the virus and will only be compelled to get tested a week or so from now. People who are afraid/lazy to go testing. And so on

[Anonymous No.11490103]

>>11490088
ok tard

[Anonymous No.11490112]

>>11489325
So pretty much the same way we lived pre corona? This implies things will go back to normal soon

[Anonymous No.11490122]

By all estimates if you have 10 cases of community spread you can extrapolate to have 1% of your population to have this virus and be spreading it. With an R0 of 3 this shit would easily infect and decimate an entire country. The disease itself isn't the issue, it's the utter downfall of the hospitals and healthcare systems in any country.

The only way to prevent this is utter mitigation and suppression.

[Anonymous No.11490125]

>>11490096
>>11490094
I didn't think about this but since the virus can survive on surfaces for days on end there's the possibility of the virus being spread by way of food delivery or grocery stores (viral particles on bags and such)

[Anonymous No.11490137]

The happening will come from the panic and social unrest not from the disease itself

[Anonymous No.11490138]

>>11490090
I would wager somewhere between 1 in 10 to 1 in 25 *right now*. So anywhere from 200000 to half a million.

By next week, at least 100,000. By mid-april we're talking a million, if not *millions*. Early May, probably ten million or tens of millions. Peak in July/August at 100M cases, at least. I'm still only talking about the US btw.

[Anonymous No.11490272]

>>11490125
This kind of tenacity is what has everyone convinced COVID-19 is man-made. We're literally being terrorized by the virus within our own homes.

It's airborne, deadlier than the flu, survives forever, spreads quickly and silently, and may cause permanent scarring to lung tissue. The only way it could be scarier is if it caused brain damage on top of everything else.

[Anonymous No.11490280]

>>11490272
>The only way it could be scarier is if it caused brain damage on top of everything else.
It has been confirmed to be able to pass the blood-brain barrier and has caused viral encephalitis in at least one documented case.

It doesn't appear to be very active up in the brain at the moment (unless the effects don't show up for some time), but if it were to mutate in some way...

[Anonymous No.11490289]

>>11483996
>will this global pandemic be over by next week lmao?
There is no frog picture that can encapsule this level of retardation.

[Anonymous No.11490294]

>>11490137
Yeah I can't see how they're gonna keep everyone at home for several months.
>people WILL run out of money for food.
>depression and suicide rates will go up.
>increase in violent crime.
We're basically screwed either way.

[Anonymous No.11490352]

Just at a glance this data doesn't seem convincing to me.

Issues:
1. Average age of patients seem low. A large portion of control and treatment groups seem they would recover naturally. Therefore, even if the statistical aspect is solid it doesn't show this drug cures patients who would otherwise die.

2. the 3 patients with over 80 years of age are all female and all in treatment group.

3. the group with "combo" treatment has the smallest sample size and suspicious age composition. Only 1 that is just 60 yo.

[Anonymous No.11490462]

>>11483636
This probably works but "scientists" will spend 3 months investigating it despite widespread anecdotal proof.

[Anonymous No.11490484]

This is one hospitals current treatment plan:
https://twitter.com/BioBreakout/status/1241191419651526657

I'd want to go to this hospital if old and infected.

[Anonymous No.11490491]

Hopefully these treatments and analysis aren't rushed, otherwise we might overlook stuff that will come back to bite us

[Anonymous No.11490494]

>>11490352
What an absolute retard:
1.Average age of 45 >low
Implying that Bronquitis and Pneumonia can be cured naturally. Other reason why the finding is important is that it greatly lowers the time the virus stays in a person, cutting its infectivity.

2. ???

3. It's common sense to not try newly discovered methods/combinations with a large sample size relative to the control group. Alongside a succesful first run we should soon see a new test with a bigger sample size to validate it's effectivity.

[Anonymous No.11490495]

>>11490491
you don't have a choice..
This isn't determining a safe way to do breast implants. It's how to stop a critical emergency of war-level importance.

[Anonymous No.11490532]

>>11489042
1. Not like candy, in salt. At a way lower dosage than this.
2. Chloroquine at this dosage is risky. But it does add empty chambers in the cylinder if infected by SARS-2. Fucking up the ACE-2 cleavage phenomenon while avoiding cytokine storm is a good start.

[Anonymous No.11490541]

>>11490491
The treatment should technically work. The good thing about this medication, is that there is already plenty of research on it (its safety included), so most of the work is done. They just need to see if it actually gets the job done in this scenario.

[Anonymous No.11490547]

>>11490462
>probably works

Yeah, on that statement alone they should dump billions of dollars to mass produce it and then find out it mildly helps, if at all.

[Anonymous No.11490569]

>>11486680
How many people under 60 have died of corona ?

[Anonymous No.11490608]

>>11486273
uhhhhh
so...
any chance Regeneron's antibody treatment saves us from living like this a year from now?

[Anonymous No.11490618]

>>11490569
>80% of deaths are of people over 60
>13,017 deaths

About 2603 people

[Anonymous No.11490640]

>>11490618
how many had respiratory problems, diabetes, leukemia, etc?

[Anonymous No.11490643]

>>11490569
more than for flu

[Anonymous No.11490668]

>>11490640
>moving the goalpost

[Anonymous No.11490956]

>>11490352
dude it's not randomized and they don't look at clinical outcomes of the patient but the amount of virus leftover in the host

there's a million issues with this frog's experimental design and anyone claiming it gives you conclusive evidence that this drug will work with covid19 is a faggot and liar and most likely never graduated college

[Anonymous No.11490967]

>>11490956
>clinical outcomes of the patient but the amount of virus leftover in the host

Which is stupid in itself. The reason why these anti-malaria drugs were used in the first place was to avoid autoimmune response, not kill the virus in the host directly.

[Anonymous No.11490973]

>>11483830
>No one will take a research with such a small sample size seriously.
They will when they have no fucking clue how to treat the infection. Something that shows some promise is better than nothing at all.

[Anonymous No.11490976]

>>11483864
Azithromycin is pretty freaking safe, all things considered.

[Anonymous No.11490988]

>>11490976
Kinda safe, unless you are one of the unlucky bastards who ends up getting recurrent bouts of C. Diff.

[Anonymous No.11490991]

>>11490956
>anyone claiming it gives you conclusive evidence that this drug will work with covid19
no one is making such a claim
>>11490973
faggots itt don't understand the purpose of frogs' paper is to motivate more research about hydroxychloroquine

[Anonymous No.11491005]

>>11490991
>>11490973

There are like 50 other medications that are currently ongoing clinical trials for treatment against Covid-19. The controversy here is because bunch of people, the president of US included, threw themselves at this research like a drowning man at a straw. I get it, you need a decent cope in an attempt to give the people some hope, but let's not go parading this like it's some panacea that will solve the current issue with the virus spread and measures around it in a week time, especially considering this is a science board and we should handle ourselves better than this.

[Anonymous No.11491006]

>>11491005
>but let's not go parading this like it's some panacea
Okay, on that I agree. I think the OP was being tongue-in-cheek, but maybe I'm wrong. The treatment looks promising, but it's far from a sure thing at this point.

[Anonymous No.11491015]

>>11483830
it's basically a case report, and nobody in a position to advance research on the topic expects it to be anything but that.

[Anonymous No.11491379]

>>11491005
it's not like it's the first research on the subject, chinks did some too but for some reason everyone but the french doctor didn't consider them seriously because they weren't published on a western platform
Today the french doc is testing everyone for free in his hospital, he's also treating everyone with the drug combination

[Anonymous No.11491470]

Is this ever going to end or is this truly the end of all humankind?

[Anonymous No.11491480]

>>11491470
The virus will end this summer for now until we find a true vaccine. I believe everything will be back to normal around summer time even the economy.

[Anonymous No.11491578]

>>11491470
They'll have a vacin in a year, worst case we lose a lot of old people.

[Anonymous No.11491672]

>>11483636
Guys I know the results *appear* amazing, but it's one of the most poorly conducted clinical trials I've ever seen, to the point of being useless. I'll explain why.

Per the methods the study started with 26 pts in the HCQ group and 16 control. Then why only 20 HCQ pts in the analysis? Because in order to be in the cohort you had to be evaluable (swab) at day 6. That meant 6 HCQ pts were ineligible.

What happened to those six HCQ patients?
- 3 were transferred to the ICU while still PCR positive
- 1 died (PCR negative)
- 1 left the hospital (PCR negative)
- 1 withdrew due to nausea (PCR positive)
I dunno- seems to me like 5 failures to me.

But the real good stuff is in this table. Just to orient you: top 16 patients control, next 14 HCQ monotherapy, last 6 HCQ+AZ. Look at the last 7 columns. These are Ct values at baseline (day zero) and through the six days of the study. The cycle threshold (Ct) is the number of cycles to be run for the PCR test to turn positive. Bottom line the LOWER the number the more virus that is present; that is, the less number of cycles to hit threshold. For combo therapy all patients have baseline Ct values of 24 or higher, whereas 5 patients in the monotherapy arm have values < 23 (in particular 15, 17, 19, 22, 22). It means there was a chunk of pts in the monotherapy arm who would need a greater antiviral effect to reach "negative" or undetectable virus. In this analysis negative was defined as Ct>35. It's also notable that negative is often defined at Ct>40. Even more troubling, in the control group, for all but 4 (!!!) patients, PCRs were never even run and virus presence was determined qualitatively!

So did this impact the outcomes between monotherapy and combo therapy? You tell me. Eradication rates at day 6:
HCQ monotherapy (Ct <23): 1/5 (20%)
HCQ monotherapy (Ct 23+): 7/9 (78%)
HCQ + Azithro (all Ct 24+): 6/6 (100%)

[Anonymous No.11491732]

>>11483636
Coronavirus is a man-made bioweapon
t. /pol/

[Anonymous No.11491736]

>>11491732
Shut the fuck up retard

[Anonymous No.11491745]

>>11491736
How is it so unlikely. They were told to pack it in in august last year.
Most countries have a bioweapon programme
And chinas lab safety record is shocking

[Anonymous No.11491911]

Corona truly is manmade, but it wasn't the chinks nor the CIA who created it. The real culprit is Bill Gates, who made the virus to warn us.

[Anonymous No.11491916]

>>11491732
Go back

[Anonymous No.11491933]

>>11491672
Lol, you stole that post from Twitter

[Anonymous No.11491945]

>>11483996
i appreciate being able to distance myself from other people
things need to stay this way forever

[Anonymous No.11492032]

>>11488099
Bet your ass when my hospitals are full and Im at home coffing my lungs out, I'm trialing myself nigger

[Anonymous No.11492055]

>>11491945
Agreed. I dearly hope we don't have to go back to "normal" for another month. Looking how the country is lagging behind NYC I think we might get lucky and stay home for a while :)

[Anonymous No.11492149]

>>11490294
There are prison riots already in my country (Colombia) and we have been on quarantine for less than a week.

[Anonymous No.11492153]

>>11491745

[Anonymous No.11492174]

>11488088
reddit
>>11490025
reddit
>>11488088
Not reddit
>>11488109
Not reddit

[Anonymous No.11492193]

>>11490025
Not reddit
>>11490021
reddit
>>11488088
reddit
>>11488109
reddit

[Anonymous No.11492221]

>>11489208
A lot of people in developing nations think malaria is caused by bad spirits. They don’t run off the city clinics to get treated and couldn’t afford to anyway

[Anonymous No.11492284]

>>11491480
>The virus will end this summer for now until we find a true vaccine.
That would be great, but it's still too early to tell if it will behave similarly to the flu.

[Anonymous No.11492292]

>>11490037
If you don't have an active immune system due to immuno-suppresants having killed it off, then the ratio death:infection will be close to 1 for any bacteria, virus, fungus, etc.

idiot.

[Anonymous No.11492300]

>>11483649
If you are in an Italian hospital with a case of coronavirus and die, they mark it as a corona death and move on. It doesn’t matter whether it was coronavirus or a heart attack. That’s why the death toll is so high.

[Anonymous No.11492304]

>>11492300
I think that's a fair way to list it, especially if the infection precipitated the heart attack. On the other end of the spectrum, you have countries that are listing the cause of death as everything but COVID-19 to keep the numbers suppressed.

[Anonymous No.11492307]

>>11492300
And how is that wrong? If corona caused the heart attack in the first place then it's fair to say corona was the cause of death.

[Anonymous No.11492315]

>>11492304
>>11492307
It’s one of the worst ways to do it, especially amidst a worldwide pandemic. You either died of coronavirus or you didn’t; “meh close enough” doesn’t cut it. If it wasn’t for Italians, the death rate would be less than 1%, way less.
Anyways, if several countries would be suppressing the numbers, and taking into consideration many believe corona is deadly, we would get to see it either way because of a higher death rate. Something that is not happening anywhere.

[Anonymous No.11492318]

>>11492307
>be old boomer with heart problems
>get the rona
>start panicking because you don’t want to die
>get heart attack and hit the bucket
>markini as a casini of corona, luigi

[Anonymous No.11492321]

>>11488076
>"""find"""
The chinese know about it since early february.
http://www.chictr.org.cn/searchprojen.aspx?title=chloroquine&officialname=&subjectid=&secondaryid=&applier=&studyleader=&ethicalcommitteesanction=&sponsor=&studyailment=&studyailmentcode=&studytype=0&studystage=0&studydesign=0&minstudyexecutetime=&maxstudyexecutetime=&recruitmentstatus=0&gender=0&agreetosign=&secsponsor=&regno=&regstatus=0&country=&province=&city=&institution=&institutionlevel=&measure=&intercode=&sourceofspends=&createyear=0&isuploadrf=&whetherpublic=&btngo=btn&verifycode=&page=3

[Anonymous No.11492341]

>>11492315
>You either died of coronavirus or you didn’t
If COVID-19 led to the eventual cause of death, then you did. That's like saying you were hit by a car, but blood loss caused the death, not the trauma from the crash that led to the blood loss.

[Anonymous No.11492348]

>>11492315
>If it wasn’t for Italians, the death rate would be less than 1%, way less.
I just removed every death in Italy, and then divided the total deaths by total cases. The mortality rate is still 2.5%.

[Anonymous No.11492359]

>>11492341
> If COVID-19 led to the eventual cause of death
And if it didn’t, they mark it as if anyways. That’s the problem.
Other countries aren’t hiding their numbers, Italians have theirs on steroids.

[Anonymous No.11492363]

>>11492348
see >>11487865

[Anonymous No.11492375]

>>11492221

That's a misleading take. Reasons for treatment failure or lack of treatment are varied.

[Anonymous No.11492379]

>>11490491
I've only heard of hqc causing some issues with eyesight, but thats in prolonged usage (2+ years) in patients with autoimmune disorders such as lupus. I'd say its pretty safe to use for what we're trying to do right now.
What makes me curious however is how quickly it seems to work since in autoimmune patients this shit needs several weeks to start working and can stay in the body for 1-3 months. How can it possibly lower the viral load in a matter of days?

[Anonymous No.11492384]

>>11492379

see
>>11491672

it's doubtful that it even does. At best it makes the interferon response higher and gives patients a boost to fighting the virus. I doubt it will become a therapy

[Anonymous No.11492388]

>>11489781
>so strong
Autoimmune patients take this for their entire lives, you colossal fucking retard, they just get their eyes checked every year and thats it.

[Anonymous No.11492393]

>>11492359
>And if it didn’t, they mark it as if anyways.
If someone is hospitalized for COVID-19 (which means they're in awful shape), and then they have a heart attack, it's a safe bet to assume the infection played a role in causing the heart attack. It's much less likely they're entirely separate, unrelated events, yet that's how many countries are classifying the deaths.

>>11492363
Two different arguments. I was arguing against Italy's number being the only thing driving the mortality rate above 1%. It's still at 2.5% without even counting Italy. I never said that's the true mortality rate. Also, there's still 15 passengers in critical condition, and they're all receiving adequate care, which will not always be the case in a country with an overwhelmed medical infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.11492422]

>>11492292
source on common cold deaths, reddit idiot

[Anonymous No.11492426]

>>11492393
>it's a safe bet to assume the infection played a role in causing the heart attack.
It’s not. We don’t know jackshit about the virus and treading so lightly is fucking up both our perception of it and the stats.
Almost one third of the mortality rate comes from Italy and that’s not weird?

[Anonymous No.11492440]

>>11492426
>It’s not. We don’t know jackshit about the virus and treading so lightly is fucking up both our perception of it and the stats.
Based on that argument, you're also saying they shouldn't be discounted as related to COVID-19 since we don't know enough about the virus to make an educated guess.

>Almost one third of the mortality rate comes from Italy and that’s not weird?
It's at 2.5% discounting Italy, that's still a far cry from "way less than 1%," which is what I was arguing against. That said, with the second oldest population in the world, it makes sense that they'd have a higher mortality rate. And then factor in that an older population will also mean more hospitalizations, leading to overcrowding of hospitals, the mortality rate should be expected to rise again due to an inability to receive proper care.

[Anonymous No.11492444]

>people looking at mortality rate like it means anything without the medical system being overwhelmed
>Not looking at the percentage of serious cases

I swear, we have an influx of brainlets in this board.

[Anonymous No.11492466]

>>11492363
So I decided to play with the Diamond Princess numbers a bit. Currently 712 positives and 8 deaths, with 15 still in critical condition. The R0 is approximately double the flu.

Let's establish some flu numbers, we'll assume the estimates are accurate. The mortality rate is considered about .1%, and average deaths around 500k annually. That means about 500,000,000 people have the flu each year, which frankly sounds high to me, but whatever.

Based on the Diamond Princess numbers, the mortality rate is 1.1%. Let's go with best case scenario that none of the critically ill die, and let's also say that the population of the ship was a bit old, so we'll cut the true mortality rate to .5%. At double the R0 of the flu, we can expect 1 billion people to become infected without intervention. That's 5 million deaths, still 10x that of the flu, and that's an extremely conservative number. Estimates place the unimpeded spread even higher, infecting possibly 70% of the world's population. Hospitals would be overwhelmed, so that conservative .5% mortality rate would be expected to rise significantly. Let's say it doubles to 1%. That puts the death toll at over 50 million.

[Anonymous No.11492477]

>>11492466
sounds good for the world and environment

[Anonymous No.11492492]

>>11492466
>That puts the death toll at over 50 million.
Keep in mind that about 55 million people die each year. COVID-19 would effectively double the annual deaths, and this is still a relatively conservative number because the stress on the medical infrastructure would be unbelievable, which would raise the mortality rate of every injury, disease, and infection. The steps countries are taking seem extreme to some people, but the disease couldn't be allowed to spread unimpeded, there's too much risk.

[Anonymous No.11492512]

>>11492466
There's some faulty reasoning going on there. Most, if not all, of the passengers were elderly people. The virus would need to infect a billion boomers for your calculations to be true. It won't.

[Anonymous No.11492519]

>>11492512
The average age was 58. There's over three billion people over 58.

[Anonymous No.11492522]

>>11492440
All I'm saying is, it's too early to call it. Where people kept their cool, the mortality rate is less than .3%. Where people panicked, numbers went wild. It makes no sense.
And even if you take Italy into account, how is testing done worldwide? Corona testing kits are expensive and scarce. You either get tested if you are old/unhealthy or if you came back from a heavily-infected country. There are thousands of cases that go unnoticed that would drive the mortality rate significantly.

[Anonymous No.11492527]

>https://twitter.com/jesseyisachar/status/1241385187008811008?s=21
>I am writing this tweet as a plea for help. I am a cardiac electrophysiologisit and I was diagnosed with the covid 19 virus Thursday 9 days ago. treated with Hydroxychloroquine and zinc for 5 days. My respiratory status worsened and ct showed diffuse ground glass opacity.
>https://twitter.com/jesseyisachar/status/1241385195535769605?s=21
>https://twitter.com/JesseYisachar/status/1241385188485185543?s=20
>Azithromycin was added slowly my saturation is worsening I am desperate can any one help me get the drug from Gilead Remdesivir please help

[Anonymous No.11492528]

>>11492519
All deaths come from people that were 70 or older

[Anonymous No.11492599]

>>11492512
>>11492528
I botched it, it's a little over a billion people over 58 years old. But okay, we'll do it your way, calculating for age. Let's say not a single person under 70 dies (which won't happen). There's still 462 million people over 70 years old in the world. If 70% of them get infected, and 1.1% die per the Diamond Princess cruise numbers, that's still 3.5 million deaths. Of course this is still not taking into account hospitals being overwhelmed, nor is it taking into account countries that lack adequate medical care altogether. Remember there's still 15 people in critical condition from the cruise ship, so survival rate will be based on proper medical intervention.

>>11492522
>Where people kept their cool, the mortality rate is less than .3%. Where people panicked, numbers went wild. It makes no sense.
Yeah, a sudden surge in deaths could lead to panic, anon. In fact Italy was being pretty nonchalant about the whole thing until they got hammered, and now they're being used as a case study in what not to do. The mortality rate is likely not that high until you're no longer able to provide adequate medical intervention, at which point things change dramatically. Witnessing the overloading of China and Italy's medical systems is why other countries are doing their best to prevent the same thing from happening.

[Anonymous No.11492824]

>>11483857

[Anonymous No.11492871]

we're year and a half until it is ready for administering to the mass public. I'd say isolate the elderly and just let the young people move on with their lives. Herd immunity is the way to go.

[Anonymous No.11492883]

Can somebody confirm that no matter the cause of death if you are tested positive for covid19 it's ruled as a corona related death in Italy?

[Anonymous No.11492888]

>>11492883
they're burying ~450 people per day

[Anonymous No.11492973]

>>11483851
>believing chinese research results
>when money is at on the table
>many trillions of dollars worth
surely it's reliable

[Anonymous No.11492979]

>This entire cope of a thread
LMAO. I hope all of you faggots get diagnosed with corona and get executed.

[Anonymous No.11493007]

>>11492599
>In fact Italy was being pretty nonchalant about the whole thing until they got hammered, and now they're being used as a case study in what not to do.
That is not what I was talking about. Italy panicked and started marking every death as a corona death. Germany kept their cool and called each death correctly, or at least tried to. That's why Italy has such a high corona death rate and the rest of the world, just... doesn't. If Italy ever investigates their own numbers, they'll realize the fucking blunder they pulled.
Anyways, out of 3700 passengers there are 700 cases - 400 asymptomatic. Out of that, 8 people die, all of them 70-plus years old. .22% out of all passengers die, none of them younger than 70 years old. Is this the end of the world or are we blowing shit out of proportion?

[Anonymous No.11493025]

>>11493007
>translation: Germany is actively laundering their deaths to reduce public perception while Italy gets fucked for accurately reporting the situation

[Anonymous No.11493083]

So I was thinking about how Tamiflu was used to treat the swine flu scare...Being bored from self isolation I figured since I have Anise Extract and Household Clear Ammonia (probably very dilute ammonium hydroxide, label hardly says anything) I would attempt to make aminoshikimic acid, a precursor to Tamiflu. I don't know if this method would even work.

>~45ml of Anise extract
>Added 2 full small eye drop vials of Clear Ammonia, ouzo like effect precipitated to the bottom but no solids formed
>Decanted out the clear solution at the top from the ouzo white soapy sludge at the bottom into a different container.
>nothing noticable or solid from the white ouzo precipitate liquid, all of it basically evaporated away
>took the anise extract/ammonia clear solution and put it on a hotplate at 400F until all liquid evaporated. It went from clear to white ouzo to white ouzo with some weird oils until only some stuff was caked to the bottom of the glass beaker.
>scraped with a knife, super tiny yield of whatever pic related is. I figured there wasn't much shikimic acid content.

Do you think it would be safe to eat? Probably just takes like licorice.
What do you think I made?
Do you think a Tamiflu precursor like aminoshikimic acid could help stop Coronavirus? Or possibly a derivative?

[Anonymous No.11493106]

>>11493083

you're a dumb fucking retard

[Anonymous No.11493109]

>>11493025
>every country in the world has a low death rate but a shady commie regime and pastafags
>it’s everyone else hiding their deaths! let me have my happening!
Yeah, okay.

[Anonymous No.11493122]

>>11493106
Why?

Does heating ammonium hydroxide and anise extract at 400F not produce aminoshikimic acid? Does aminoshikimic acid do nothing against coronavirus? Would Tamiflu do anything to stop coronavirus?

[Anonymous No.11493144]

>>11493007
>Italy panicked and started marking every death as a corona death. Germany kept their cool and called each death correctly, or at least tried to. That's why Italy has such a high corona death rate and the rest of the world
Germany's numbers are the statistical anomaly. No other country is listing such low numbers of critically ill patients. I don't understand why you want to dismiss the high number (Italy), but you're clinging to the low number (Germany). If you wanted to be fair, you'd go with the average between them, which is a 2.5% mortality rate. You can't dismiss one "statistical anomaly" but then argue for the other one.

>Anyways, out of 3700 passengers there are 700 cases - 400 asymptomatic.
You don't think it would have been more after two weeks, especially if they weren't forced to quarantine?

>.22% out of all passengers die, none of them younger than 70 years old.
While receiving the best medical care. I wonder what the numbers would be if the 15 currently in critical condition were forced into Italy's triage.

[Anonymous No.11493177]

>>11493144
>I don't understand why you want to dismiss the high number (Italy), but you're clinging to the low number (Germany). If you wanted to be fair, you'd go with the average between them, which is a 2.5% mortality rate.
Because Italy is clearly fucking up the worldwide stats. Forget about Germany. Look at America and France or the Scandinavian countries. Even third world countries like Brazil. There are no countries with similar numbers to Italy. There are none. You’ll tell me to wait for a week and see what happens. I’ll tell you what happens, a low death rate everywhere but Italy unless they stop their bullshit.
What’s more likely to happen, Germany altering their death rate numbers but somehow not their infected stats and waiting for a scandal to happen (for no reason at all) or Italy mismanaging their figures?
>You don't think it would have been more after two weeks, especially if they weren't forced to quarantine?
>While receiving the best medical care. I wonder what the numbers would be if the 15 currently in critical condition were forced into Italy's triage.
You can play all the “what if” scenarios you want, the numbers are there.

[Anonymous No.11493213]

>>11493177
>Because Italy is clearly fucking up the worldwide stats.
Anon, I completely cut out Italy's numbers, the death toll for the rest of the world was still 2.5%. You don't think Germany's mortality rate of .38% looks a little suspicious in light of the rest of the world's numbers (minus Italy)?

>Look at America and France or the Scandinavian countries.
France is at 3.7%. That's higher than the world average minus Italy. The USA is at 1.2%, still 3x higher than Germany. Again, you don't think Germany looks a little suspicious?

[Anonymous No.11493282]

>>11493213
You are not taking into account how testing is done and onto whom. Most countries test those who are seriously ill, old people, and those who came from heavily-infected areas. That's why the death rate is so high. I don't think Germany's case is suspicious at all. In the end, everyone's stats will look like Germany.

But I understand where you are coming from. Numbers are fucked right now, and most people think this is only the beginning. I think this is an overreaction from poorly-understood information and the health system's saturation. I honestly believe we are either living through the worst part right now, or we will next week. When April comes around, things will slowly turn back to normal. And yes, I know, it seems overly optimistic, but give it a week.

[Anonymous No.11493306]

Guys, daily new cases in Italy is now at 6k and increasing. It's showing no sign of slowing down. Don't you think that Italy may have more trouble keeping up the testing with the growth than other countries with less growth? Likely they are prioritizing testing severe cases and deaths that are suspected from covid. Thus in Italy it is likely more informative to look at number of deaths and disregard the number of cases as even more understated than in other countries.

[Anonymous No.11493329]

>>11493282
Just to add some perspective regarding testing, I work at a company with around 1000 branches around the UK. So far about 350 employees have called in to say they are self-isolating, but only one (1) had actually been tested and confirmed.

Even if 95% were mistaken/faking, that would still be about 16 untested for every 1 confirmed.
(Of course, some of those untested might end up dying.)

[Anonymous No.11493360]

>>11493329
Yes, that is exactly the problem with using the confirmed cases as an indicator for the spread of the virus. The confirmed cases will always only give a lower bound for the number of infected.

What I would really like to see is some properly done testing on a representative random sample group in the general population to see how many people might actually be infected already. I suspect this is not happening right now, because all testing capabilities are tied up to confirm suspected cases.

[Anonymous No.11493369]

>>11493122

it does not make amino shikimic acid

[Anonymous No.11493385]

>>11493369
Ahh damn. Thanks for clarifying the problem.

[Anonymous No.11493388]

>>11483664
/sci/ has been at stage 1 since the start. This place is full of pseuds that will believe the opposite of whatever they think /pol/ believes.

[Anonymous No.11493432]

>>11493388
>seething this hard for being called out

Go back to your sub 20 IQ board

[Anonymous No.11493620]

>>11493329
>some of those untested might end up dying
They wouldn’t remain untested, though. Past a critical point (ie hospitalization), you get tested. That’s the problem with early statistics amidst a pandemic.

[Anonymous No.11493727]

>>11493620
>They wouldn’t remain untested, though.
Presumably yes, at a certain point, but when you don't even have enough tests for the living, I doubt the corpses are getting top priority.

[Anonymous No.11493983]

>>11493388
My college degree means that I'm always right and you're always wrong.

[Anonymous No.11494136]

>>11483636
Don't listen to this fool with his snake oil! What we really need is a world government that makes all of our decisions for us.

[Anonymous No.11494147]

>>11483830
Anyone who thinks this study will likely lead to a universal cure is an idiot. Anyone who rejects this study purely on the basis of its sample size is an even bigger idiot, who also suffers from the delusion of thinking himself smart.

[Anonymous No.11494156]

>>11486129
Yeah, he's a total asshole for wanting to avoid an economic catastrophe that will create pain and misery on an almost unimaginable scale.

[Anonymous No.11494184]

>>11492883
Yes, in most cases. If you're confirmed to have COVID-19 and then your wife kills you for fucking your secretary, that doesn't count as a COVID-19 death (unless the secretary was a nurse AND has big tits).

[Anonymous No.11494406]

>>11493727
they do carry postmortem tests in italy and they're only testing the dying here

[Anonymous No.11494483]

now there's none in stock anywhere so people will keep dying til we find another cure.

[Anonymous No.11494505]

It went from "just a flu bro" to "it only kills old people bro" to "we have a cure bro", I wonder what deniers will say next.

[Anonymous No.11494515]

>>11491480
No, the virus is active in place like Qatar and UAE now and they are generally warmer now than most northern hemisphere countries will be in summer.

[Anonymous No.11494566]

>>11494505
deniers of what?
Le grande happening?

[Anonymous No.11494570]

>>11494566
Deniers of how serious of a threat this virus is.

[Anonymous No.11494577]

>>11494566
Right on the money.
>lol just wait until you guys realize it's super AIDs that kills 110% of people
/pol/ finally gets something right and immediately tarnishes it by going full fucking schizo retard.

[Anonymous No.11494701]

>>11494577
Oh I'm a /pol/tard now because I think this is a historic event, cool.

[Anonymous No.11494998]

>>11492527
As yes, the "experience" posted by a person who works for a company trying to sell their patented drug as a cure. Wonder why they'd try to dissuade anyone from trying a cure that uses drugs that have long been in the public domain .

[Anonymous No.11495001]

>>11494515
Those places aren't humid which is the other required condition for suppression of the virus.

[Anonymous No.11495321]

>>11483636
>now you autistic neckbeard NEET incels waiting for a "big happening" can go back to your basement.
>i know there's little going on in your life but get on with it! it's over
If this isn't a bait post, I would happily give my life just so you could be wrong, and I could see you go "oh."

[Anonymous No.11495371]

>>11493282
german numbers are definitely weird. how are people still dying in dozens if there aren't any critical cases? as far as i understand they simply quit reporting the number of crits

[Anonymous No.11495409]

>>11495001
It's spreading out of control in Brazil (hot and humid). 1500 cases and counting, 25 dead, exponential growth from a hundred cases five days ago.

[Anonymous No.11495692]

>>11494505
It’s just a flu and it only kills old people are the same thing, you retard. It never moved past this stage.

[Anonymous No.11497378]

>>11495692
Tell that to 20 percent of the deaths below age of 60, retard.Also I hope your loved ones die from this too we'll see if your ass can still yell "muh statistics"

[Anonymous No.11497435]

>>11497378
more like 5%, also you sound like a child faggot

[Anonymous No.11498263]

>>11483636
This is fake news spewed by president Dump.

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>>11492422
Cold is a collection of symptom. Rhinovirus and other viruses that cause colds also kill people. Google it retard. It is practically a tautology that if you don't have a functioning immune system catching a cold can kill you.

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>>11495409
Brazil is an open sewer.

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>>11483636
Not gonna fix fibrosis and compromised immune systems or neural damage.

[Anonymous No.11498599]

>>11498594
it's going to be ok, 30 year old asthmatic guy

[Anonymous No.11498845]

>>11483830
The "samples" are getting bigger every days since thousand of people are now taking hydroxychloroquine, in a few days we will know the results

[Anonymous No.11498852]

>>11498845
>in a few days we will know the results
Try in 6 months.

[Anonymous No.11498868]

Look on the bright side, if you go blind or die of heart complications, COVID19 will be the least of your worries

[Anonymous No.11498872]

>>11498868
those side effects in properly screened patients are very rare.

The mass media spreading disinformation about this to spite Trump is disgusting. This could bite them in the ass hard if this turns out as effective as initial trials show.

[Anonymous No.11498889]

WHEN ARE THE TRUE TRIALS COMING OUT /sci/
I NEED TO KNOW
HOW MUCH TIME DO THEY USUALLY TAKE

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>>11498872
Not the same poster; and granted averse effects only appear after prolonged use, the notion that you can't critique something that is already getting a leeway to begin with for being Trump's straw to grasp is fucking hilarious. This drug will most likely only help with treating the autoimmune response, but it won't stop viral replication and spread. Remdesivir is currently the only drug that has potential to help in this fight in the near future and that is still months away from being massively deployed.

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>>11498872
Trump is still fucked anyway he's going to roll the dice even harder to push economy back up together.

>>11498889
The government is will push it for days for the trails to start, if one of'em gets cured quickly then all hands on deck to ship the drug out immediately to save alot of people.

[Anonymous No.11498926]

>>11498913
>if one of'em gets cured quickly then all hands on deck to ship the drug out immediately to save alot of people.

kek that's not how it works. Adverse effect can appear months after drug use. There's a reason clinical trials take years. During the first SARS outbreak, the Chinese did this exact same thing with a drug called Ribavirin and a lot of the patients developed anemia and liver damage in the long term.

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>>11498926
Well the government still pushes for early testing, but I agree this will backfire if Trump doesn't give it more time.

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>>11498926
yeah but both of these have already been tried for other diseases and no adverse effects

[Anonymous No.11498966]

>>11498945
>>11498942
Pic related are the top 5 most promising treatments for the first SARS outbreak. Even though some of them had some mild success, all of them failed to get approved. There's a reason viruses are hard to kill, without doing damage to the host. If you think the odds are in our favor of success first try, you're delusional. Just because chloroquine was shown to treat malaria (not a viral disease) and lupus erythematosus (genetic disease), doesn't mean it will be effective against a viral infections. And at most, as I said, it will help with the autoimmune response, not the viral replication (or in layman's terms, it won't slow the spread)

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>>11498966
>(or in layman's terms, it won't slow the spread)
I doubt that really.

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>>11499031
On what basis

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>>11499070
Depending how the governments pushes this, I expect Trump to get it ready in a couple weeks instead of months.

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>>11499114
What are you? Fucking retarded? Do you even know how this drug works?

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>>11499131
it sucks the virus's fuck

[Anonymous No.11499138]

>>11499131
I made an assumption and you just got fucking mad easily.

We're done here anyway.

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>>11499138
>>11499137
You trumptards are helpless.

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>>11499140
and you're a whiny faggot

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>>11499140
I'm not even a trumptard buddy.

[Anonymous No.11499931]

>>11498966
>And at most, as I said, it will help with the autoimmune response, not the viral replication
Emptying hospital beds is the priority until a vaccine is developed

[Anonymous No.11499964]

>>11483636
In a week we'll have some idea if this works because everyone will try it for lack of better options.

[Anonymous No.11501362]

>http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf

Chloroquine isn't looking too good in the clinical trials, guys.

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>>11492300
same for most diseases tho

[Anonymous No.11501605]

When will this situation be under control? What hope do we have for the summer, around June or so?

[Anonymous No.11501617]

>>11501605
If everyone does what China did, we'll be out of the woods by summer for the most part. Too bad economic pressure will screw everything up.

[Anonymous No.11501635]

>>11501617
>Too bad economic pressure will screw everything up.
This, the billionaires will screw this up. I hope Trump tells them to fuck off and give the situation more time.

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>>11483830
It’s not the sample size, it’s the fact that the malaria drug also binds to ACE2 receptors and this makes it harder for the virus to attack and replicate inside cells. The research is legit.

[Anonymous No.11501649]

>>11483665
This, I still cant believe how Trump's advisers let him to open his big and stupid mouth to opine about this issue

[Anonymous No.11501670]

>>11487003
Everything you said seems like why you would use a virus. Much easier to maintain outside the body. You don’t want lethal bacteria hiding out in the Congo, multiplying, buying time outside human cells.

[Anonymous No.11501671]

>>11501647
LMAO No, it doesn't. Even if that was the case, we would be using ace inhibitors instead of this toxic shit.

[Anonymous No.11501676]

>>11489208
It is because malaria is a parasite that can live on other living things instead of just humans. That’s why you can’t fully eradicate it.

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>>11490272
Have you ever thought that maybe it isn’t the virus at all it’s the fear that is intentional? Why would China create a killing machine virus that spreads like this with no vaccine? If you kill everybody on earth in a year and can’t contain it, it’s suicide. I think what is going on is a virus was leaked that kills enough of a small population that they can use fear to get everything else they want. It’s biological terrorism. That’s assuming it’s man manipulated

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>>11501671
That’s what the publications are saying. Unless you think that the scientists are lying.

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>>11501711
Show me the papers then.

[Anonymous No.11501727]

>>11488085
>As I've always said, if you want the best takes about technology, go to /pol/

[Anonymous No.11501729]

>>11501718
https://www.elsevier.com/connect/coronavirus-information-center
There is a link on the site to 22000 or so peer reviewed publications, a lot of them explain the actions of this medicinal therapy.

[Anonymous No.11501741]

>>11501729
LMAO look at this nigga trying to avoid the question. Post the papers or fuck off. You think I haven't studied the drug? I know damn well its activity has nothing to do with the ACE2 receptor.

[Anonymous No.11501744]

>>11490532
Hydroxychloroquine, the RA and lupus drug should be the focus of investigations and compassionate treatment because it’s safer, more effective and widely available in every country in the world. There are multiple manufacturers and the cost of week long coronavirus treatment course per patient averages at around $3. It should be investigated with zinc, which may very well boost its effectiveness.

[Anonymous No.11501758]

>>11501741
If you don’t want to simply click on one link and scroll through the titles until you find a study with anti malaria in the title, I can’t help you.

[Anonymous No.11501759]

So...
the miracle drug that people just poisoned themselves with after Trump told them it would cure the virus.

yeah...
>>11501605
In 3-4 months things will be 100% good to go, after a sizeable chunk of the population gets immunity in order to slow the spread of the disease.
Additionally, we'll be in summer which should slightly affect the ability of this disease to survive on surfaces, slowing it further.

Just sit back and chill until june 1.

[Anonymous No.11501829]

>>11501758
I did the work for your lazy ass and all I could find is some research that explored ACE2 glycosyaltion in the presence of NH4Cl (literal poison) and Chloroquine. But none of the test were performed with the virus itself to see if it changes its affinity to the receptor, so there were a lot of "may" and "could" in the article. But alright, I'll give you that if you dig deep enough, you can find some relation of this drug to this receptor, as irrelevant as it may be in the long term.

[Anonymous No.11501855]

>>11501829
So basically "no proof or trials run, but hey, it MIGHT work!"
That doesn't represent a cure in any way shape or form, it represents something that is worth TESTING, but at this point is basically anecdotal and worthless.

[Anonymous No.11501929]

>>11483636
retarded thread

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>>11501929
NEET SEETHE

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>>11501932
fuck off wagie
die lmmao

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>>11501937
no u

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>>11501929
>>11501932
>>11501937
>>11501939
stop spamming you fucking animals

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>>11501943
lol im trying to make this thread reach bump limit

[Anonymous No.11501952]

>>11501947
why?

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>>11501952
because its garbage

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>>11501961
fail no bump limit

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bump limit haha

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>>11502042
i'll make the same thread

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>>11483636
I was under the impression that Quinolones interfere with DNA packaging... but aren't coronaviruses RNA based? What is the mechanism for this supposed effect?

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>>11502042
Fuck you, nigger.