Treatment resistant depression

[Anonymous No.11301308]

What treatment is available for depression resistant to medication? Is there any hope for curing it, or at least reducing its intensity?

[Anonymous No.11301317]

>>11301308
Psychoterapy, CBT? How about psychedelics?

[Anonymous No.11301529]

>>11301308
ketamine

[Einstein No.11301532]

>>11301308
15yrs weed smoker here after a traumatizing event - it still works

[Anonymous No.11301535]

>>11301532

weed makes me more depressed

[Einstein No.11301536]

>>11301535
Try mixing it with a lot of caffeine

[Anonymous No.11301537]

>>11301536

doesn't help. not OP, but it makes me even less able to focus and that makes me more depressed

[Einstein No.11301545]

>>11301537
add CBD, your stain has too much THC, you can see the effect here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cAFRAX3Gs

also don't use tobacco

[Anonymous No.11301547]

>>11301308
copper 25mg/day, make sure you are not low in magensium, or take supplements.

[Anonymous No.11301548]

>>11301545

cbd makes me foggy-headed too and harms my motivation. i never do anything productive after i take cbd because it all seems like too much of a bother.

everything seems to require so much effort lately. it's no way to live.

[Anonymous No.11301556]

>>11301308
copper 25mg/day, make sure you are not low in magensium, or take supplements. Don't eat too much calcium, zinc or iron, they prevent copper absorption.

[Bizonacci No.11301559]

>>11301548
>harms my motivation
thats what the caffeine is for.

Look, when you're not happy after 2 Bong hits of raw, dank shit and 3x the amount of the allowed maximum daily caffeine dosis then the only thing left is getting a hobby. I grow hot peppers. Maybe become obsessed with it.

And get back to scool or somewhere where people are interacting in some sterile way so you have at least some social interaction and a chance to get a girl

[Anonymous No.11301568]

>>11301559

happiness? i'd be satisfied with not-constantly-hopeless.

[Anonymous No.11301570]

>>11301308
As retarded as it sounds to suggest medication for treating medication resistant depression, have you tried shrooms? Hell you can even grow em yourself

[Anonymous No.11301574]

>>11301308
Lol. "Medication" for "depression". Stop getting meme'd my dude. You're on your wya to getting meme'd right into the ground, to what extent do you think the whitecoat actually cares about the finer aspects of your fate?

Also try cacao. Add kava if there's a strong trauma conditioning or dissociation component.

[Anonymous No.11301579]

>>11301308
>What treatment is available for depression resistant to medication?
None.

>Is there any hope for curing it, or at least reducing its intensity?
Nope. The only way to truly beat depression is to become strong enough to handle it. Depression is like cancer but for the mind, and that noone really cares. Go work out (cardio/stamina, you need to get the heart pumping), go study, be in the sun every now and then, tend your hygiene, clean your room and so forth. Fake it 'til you make it, the absolute best way to get rid of depression is to be distracted (which is why drugs are so often used, then you can be distracted without effort).

Social interaction were in my case mostly distractive since they keep saying it's not really my fault, but well.. whoever's fault it may be, only one person can create a way out of it and that is myself.

[Anonymous No.11301583]

>>11301308
Usually suppressed emotion that needs finding and release
Also try your best to improve your physical health. Very long walks are really good for ones psychological state

[Anonymous No.11301731]

>Caffeine
>Weed
>More Caffeine
>Cacao
>Magic Mushrooms

>treatments for depression

good to know 14 year olds are giving medical advice

[Anonymous No.11301755]

>>11301731
Depression is in part caused by altered antioxidant status and neuroinflammation, it's not strictly existential or psychosocial.

>Source
I developed MS-like whole body CRPS when I was 13, trigeminal neuralgia fully took form ~17. Various other issues which I eventually largely dealt with, digestive failure to the point where I could barely eat. Etc. You think you understand the broader frame of what makes and sustains a person long term, better than you really do. I won't say you don't understand you, but I will say you're being quite naive.

Eat some cacao OP. Should've also mention vitamin C and NAC, add some garlic as well. Try hemidesmuis indicus and gotu kola. Exercise. Get away from EMFs.

[Anonymous No.11301758]

>>11301755
hemidesmus*

[Anonymous No.11301766]

I think you need to find the root cause and somehow process it. I suddenly got depressed at 26, and only after a few years I realized it's the years of childhood abuse I repressed.

[Anonymous No.11301772]

>>11301755
>altered antioxidant status and neuroinflammation
copper 25mg/day

[Anonymous No.11301774]

>>11301755
Depression is caused by a single or array of factors, Neuroimflammation and Antioxidants are two of the less common causes out of the million there is and "dude i had a hard life lol" is not evidence, stop spouting pseudoscience shit on a science board, there is no evidence that cacao is an effective treatment for depression.

[Anonymous No.11301775]

>>11301755
>get away from EMFs
>has a bunch of other meme symptoms
>recommends herbs which have small effect sizes if they work at all

:\

[Anonymous No.11301776]

>>11301308
go /out/

[Anonymous No.11301779]

>>11301574
medication is the most effective treatment for depression we have. If you claim otherwise better provide some statistics.

[Anonymous No.11301799]

>>11301779
when you consider regression to the mean/placebo effect, it isn't so clear, at least it's not uncontested that AD meds are doing the bulk of the work. hence why depression researchers are interested in what is physiologically going on with the placebo effect

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4172306/

[Anonymous No.11301807]

>>11301774
Slave to "evidence". Might as well just read the Bible, because it is written.

Just test and substantiate for yourself. While a formal and well designed clinical trial to back up mechanistic data would be interesting, ultimately "it is written" does not constitute reality. This helpless, victim, trapped and immobilized, slave mentality is a product of your depression, and is keeping you in the rut. You think your life is built on "reason", but it is these which are the threads which bind you, and it is this from which you must find the exit.

>>11301772
Copper would support T4->T3, superoxide dismutases, and various others. Note, it should be colloidal, you don't want nano anything in you. Ideally you would just get it from food.

>>11301775
Deal with it. ;^)

>>11301779
When was the last time you saw a happy person on an SSRI / SSNRI?

[Anonymous No.11301810]

>>11301807
based broscience retard

[Anonymous No.11301814]

>>11301810
>He can't deal with it
:^)

[Anonymous No.11301843]

>>11301776
Unironically works. I become incredibly comfy and chilled when I'm out in nature. When I go back in the psychosomatic shit starts happening again.
We live in a very unnatural and twisted mouse wheel.

[Anonymous No.11301975]

>>11301779
What if they don’t work? This thread is literally about the case where depression is proved to be resistant to all available medication.

[Anonymous No.11301978]

>>11301975
The core idea that you require a multinational corporation's product to not be depressed, because you're intrinsically and irreparably defective, is asinine. The entire intellectual model is absurd.

[Anonymous No.11302077]

>>11301779
pharmaceutical companies making billions in profits a year can fund studies showing that medication is the most effective treatment. if it's magic mushrooms or meditation, who is going to pay for that study?

[Anonymous No.11302089]

>>11301532
>>11301535
>>11301536
>>11301537
>>11301545

HOLY SHIT RETARDS WHAT ABOUT MAN UP AND HANDLE YOUR OWN FUCKING FEELINGS

[Anonymous No.11302093]

>>11302077
And, who's going to publish it? Then they complain about low grade journal and so on. People are so stupid it's incredible.

[Anonymous No.11302097]

>>11301779
depression is not an illness, there's no medication for it.
there are mental painkillers that'll just turn you into a shitty human being, a shadow of what you could be have been

[Anonymous No.11302101]

>>11301583
high iq

[Anonymous No.11302131]

>>11301308
Listen to some good music. Become human yet again.

[Anonymous No.11302135]

>>11302131
>brah just escape from the real world into anime land
Worst advice

[Anonymous No.11302161]

>>11302135
I didn't say dissociate and crumple into a childhood state, nor did I recommend anime or escape. What he listens to depends on his history, the basis of his present state (organized into paralysis), and the general structure of his psyche.

NGE's soundtrack just happened to bring some type peace for me, and brought me back to a different time. Sometimes there is literally nothing you can do, and no escape. In this case refusal to dissociate, muh "I'm tough and gotta be as real as it gets", ironically leads to unending misery, neurological and functional decay from unyielding stress, and then death. What you have shelved, walled off, and refused to see, is usually what is rotting you from within. Bypassing the terror and resistance to looking is the key.

This is how stupid we've all gotten. You're actually acting like I need to give explicit and complete instructions about how to manage his mind, or say nothing at all.

[Anonymous No.11302169]

>>11302161
Essentially, sometimes you need to disengage and let go. Else you'll be functionally crippled and destroyed by fixation on your problems.

[Anonymous No.11302218]

>>11301529
Unironically this. Fix your sleep and let your subconscious do the work for a while

[Anonymous No.11302221]

>>11301308
Also spicy foods and hot beverages (like coffee) to get the endorphins going because you probably don’t exercise

[Anonymous No.11302242]

>>11301308
Look up neurosis as opposed to just depression. You’re too focused/hyper vigilant and can’t relax all the way. This is why psychiatrists give kids adderall - they think that if they tense up and burn out all that energy, then they can feel what it’s like to chill out as they crash and realize that they’re the ones causing the tension. It might work better if the causes of the tension weren’t in their lives anymore (plotting to fuck everything in sight because puberty, intense vidya like FPS games, sugar, etc.) but taking the pill and waiting to be fixed doesn’t do dick.
That’s why >>11301529 is becoming a popular meme these days. The infusions aren’t even a daily deal like antidepressants. It’s hard to explain.

[Anonymous No.11302268]

>>11302221
Most dishes I cook are extremely hot and I drink lots of coffee just to get any effect and be able to do do anything.
As for exercise, I did before the depression started and on the first year of it but after that it became gradually harder and harder to do such tasks and eventually I stopped.

[Anonymous No.11302302]

>>11302268
I hope you'll actually listen when I tell you, it very well could be EMFs. I'm not vaguely speculating here and I don't just talk out of my ass, I can back up anything I say with data, or at the very least hard reasoning relative to that data.

[Anonymous No.11302434]

Psychedelic microdosing is, far and away, both the cheapest and the most effective treatment. It's not guaranteed to work, of course, but microdosing really is statistically more likely to work than the current generation of meds, and this much is a fact.

The new, 3rd generation of antidepressants will just plain abandon the decades-long dominant paradigm of depression being caused by some sort of serotonin depression, which has turned out to be pure bunk. OOPSIE DOODLE. The first one already arrived. In fact, it arrived decades ago. It's ketamine. Like, it's not even an evergreen analog or anything, it's just plain one of ketamine's two stereoisomers, and in order to try to mask this absurdity, they have taken to call it "esketamine" instead of the more appropriate S-ketamine. As it happens, this isomer seems to be responsible for all the fun effects of the drug, but not the antidepressant effect. So why are they using this one, you might ask? Simply because it's the one the company in question had a patent on. That's it. More attentive readers might be asking, well if they can't use the other stereoisomer thingamajig, why not just use regular, mixed ketamine? Because it's in the public domain, so to speak, and can't be patented. A drug which is a borderline miracle cure for what just might turn out to be the biggest epidemic in mankind's history, just lying fallow because it's not profitable. S-ketamine -- sorry, esketamine, on the other hand, still is, so that's what you get, peasant. And since the antidepressant effect is so weak, you get a big-ass dose, which means you trip your tits off. The Man doesn't like that, so you can't buy it. You go to a clinic every 3 days to trip. Drug as a service. I'm not joking, google Spravato and you'll see. Oh, and this costs thousands of dollars, which is hundreds more than run-of-the-mill ketamine which your pet can legally use.

And you thought notions about Big Pharma profiting from misery were conspiracy theory, eh?

[Anonymous No.11302595]

>>11302434
that's depressing but red pills often are, thanks for sharing. where to get psychedelics w min law enforcement risk

[Anonymous No.11302600]

>Don't improve your circumstances goy, just ingest my brand name happy pills instead
Sounds like a great idea

[Anonymous No.11302602]

>>11301776
ted is that you?

[Anonymous No.11302606]

enjoy life with a zen point of view, abandon unnecessary money and the idiotic status madness

[Anonymous No.11302661]

>>11302242
>>11302242
>then they can feel what it’s like to chill out as they crash

you feel way calmer and more composed coming up than coming down. i don't think you've ever taken adderall.

[Anonymous No.11302826]

>>11301529
>>11302218
>>11302434

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

[Anonymous No.11302923]

>>11302595
Well I ended up writing way more than I expected, so here: https://pastebin.com/DYKR5Z1s

I mention another post about a related topic which I also overwrought and pastebinned: https://pastebin.com/pqfcJne2

>>11302826
Valid concerns. I just point out that these studies model chronic effects. Daily uses, especially intravenously, is well into junkie territory. That is well past what I refer to as sane usage. Any drug, no matter how harmless, will have a separate set of side effects for long-term, heavy abuse.

Tho I'm amused by the last paragraph. "Acute effects" is pretty much an euphemism for "trip". It's just describing someone who just took a recreative dose of ket.

[Anonymous No.11302924]

What if you're just not satisfied with your current lifestyle? Sometimes depression is just a realization that your current lifestyle isn't enjoyable to you, and no pill should or will placate you when you're simply doing the wrong things.

[Anonymous No.11303600]

>>11301807
>When was the last time you saw a happy person on an SSRI / SSNRI?
considering you value personal anecdotes over scientific data, I feel much more normal on Sertralin than without it. I wouldn’t say happy but capable of getting out of bed and being able to enjoy life.

[Anonymous No.11303609]

>>11301975
I wasn’t replying to OP

[Anonymous No.11303610]

>>11302077
>muh it’s all a big conspiracy, they pay every independent research center and medical facility
take your meds, schizo

[Anonymous No.11303612]

>>11302097
according to ICD10 it is
If depression is not an illness, how come it can be verified with a quick glance on an MRI?
>muh treatment is no cure
that’s why I said treatment, faggot
>antidepressants makes people into shitty persons
nice claim, got any evidence and maybe a definition for “shitty”? If you mean more reluctant to suicide and a higher satisfaction with life, you are correct, but that is not how I would define a “shitty” person.

[Anonymous No.11304020]

>>11303600
But do you really "enjoy"?

>>11303610
Literally subhuman.

[Anonymous No.11304441]

>>11302434
Ketamine is outlawed in my country in any case, veterinary included, and is one of the hardest drugs the lay your hand on here. If I could obtain anything (illegal in my country that is, which is very strict in terms of psychoactive substances) it would be LSD or shrooms (shrooms are actually easy to obtain on your own as they naturally grow here, you just have to know where to look and how to distinguish them from other mushrooms).

[Anonymous No.11304452]

>>11302302
What could be the generator of emf strong enough to make a difference on the neurological system? I never owned a microwave cooker and I have lived in a several different places since the depression began without it making any difference.

[Anonymous No.11304454]

>>11303612
>how come it can be verified with a quick glance on an MRI

press x to doubt

[Anonymous No.11304483]

>>11304452
It doesn't need to be strong. Biological systems respond to fields as low as ~15 uW/m^2. Bacteria in culture respond to specific frequency bands and modulation as low as 5 picowatts/cm2.

[Anonymous No.11304553]

>>11304454
I did have an MRI scan during depression when I ended up in hospital drinking insane amount of water due to unsatisfiable thirst. They also did a complex checkup on everything in my body. Apart from a bit too many leukocytes, erythrocytes and too much cortisol, I was in perfect physical health including the brain scans. At the end excess water consumption turned out to be a compulsive behavior that was a coping mechanism in my depression. It all happened about 2 years ago.

[Anonymous No.11304555]

>>11304483
Shouldn’t then we all be inflicted because of that?

[Anonymous No.11304569]

>nuking the brain of emotions is the best treatment for depression we have
Fuck me that's sad

[Anonymous No.11304572]

>>11304555
Yep. We all are. Some more overtly than others.

[Anonymous No.11304588]

tramadol does work perfectly on me

[Anonymous No.11304608]

>>11301317
>CBT
This is a science board man, behave.

[Anonymous No.11304612]

>>11301308
Transcranial magnetic stimulation has shown some efficacy. Psilocybin isn't well studied but also shows some midterm benefits for weeks after dosing. Taking vitamins is a good idea, just to handily eliminate one possible contributing factor. Of the psychotherapies, cognitive behavioural therapy has a slightly better track record than many others. That's not saying much but at the very least it has the obvious benefit that it can be self-administered for free (get a book on it). Medication-resistant depression is sometimes tied to other disorders (BPD, schizo, etc), symptoms of which you might not notice if you're in a highly depressed state, so it may be worth exploring whether there's something else wrong with you. Anecdotally, I was suicidal until I was put on antipsychotics, which I didn't know I needed, at which point my thinking cleared and my depression lifted considerably as a result.

[Anonymous No.11304618]

>>11304612
disregard that I suck cocks you're just fucking weak don't give your money to jews just be a man bro

[Anonymous No.11304619]

>>11304608
CBT is scientific dummy

[Anonymous No.11304629]

try niacinamide and focusing on mitochondrial and thyroidal health

[Anonymous No.11304636]

>>11304612
I have considered rTMS but it’s expensive as hell where I live, a single therapy costs a 3 months average income. Far out of my reach.

Only other condition I were suggested to be having was ASD, tough it was only one of a few doctors that were treating me throughout my illness.

[Anonymous No.11304658]

>>11304636
Have you tried any mood stabilizers?

[Anonymous No.11304681]

>>11304658
Yes, I was prescribed 2 different ones throughout my treatment (both times coupled with SSRI/SNRI) and they were like sugar pills for me. At least they didn’t have adverse effects like SSRIs I mentioned.

I’ve literally been taking anything available through all these years, I wouldn’t be looking for alternative methods if medications didn’t fail completely first.

[Anonymous No.11304691]

>>11301308
>Treatment-resistant depression
Muh depression. Maybe doctors are just trying to convince you your life isn't shit so you keep working aimlessly for (((them))) (doctors are not to be trusted, they have a script they follow to the T given by the govt, they'll never tell you to kys even if they know it is objectively the best move, because they want you to work and consume, so they give you false hope)

[Anonymous No.11304699]

>>11304691

[Anonymous No.11304716]

>>11304691
You know, not everyone is completely egocentric. I still have people I care for and I couldn’t do this to them. I’ve seen what impact a sheer suicide attempt had on my family and I can’t think of how horrible it would be for them if I kms.

[Anonymous No.11304724]

>>11304636
Get, and follow, a book on CBT. David Burns' "Feeling Good" is free online. If it's standard CBT it'll include exercises for fighting delusory depressive thinking, which is otherwise self-reinforcing. You'll think it's stupid, most of it probably is. Do it anyway, it can't hurt and it can genuinely help.

You can't afford rTMS but you can definitely afford shrooms, you can get the spores online with little effort and grow your own. Also worth a shot.

Socialising is hard but necessary, try to find a club or something where you're not really obliged to interact socially at all but you're doing an activity in common with other people, like chess or wargaming. Martial arts would be a great option if you can hack it but I assume you're not well enough for that. Anything, the minimum to keep out of solitary confinement.

Exercise, obviously. Long walks, if nothing else - that's doable.

If you're drinking, quit. Likewise quit weed if you take it. Tobacco's fine.

[Anonymous No.11304730]

>>11304716
My brother killed himself a couple months ago. It destroys you. It's far worse than an accident or natural causes.

[Anonymous No.11304775]

Ketamine! From aiming the shotgun at your head to to "Eh, life's not so bad I guess" in 10 minutes!
Just anecdotal, but IME the improvement is also pretty stable. Doing it more than every other week seems more of a recreational than a therapeutic thing. I don't even need a particularly high dose, Just 20mg keeps the shotgun away. I'll admit that it's a unuiquely psychedelic experience at higher doses, thoguh.

Don't bother with any other crap.

[Anonymous No.11304786]

>>11304775
I think I've actually heard something about ketamine dosing actually being used for therapy.

[Anonymous No.11304809]

>>11304786
There has been some research; if I recall correctly, remission rate was about 20%, compared to over 70% in psylocybin microdosing therapy, which scored the highest out of every method researched. Wonder why it’s illegal in most countries (in my country it isn’t even allowed for research purposes).

[Anonymous No.11304863]

>>11304809
Religious norms. It's one of the more risky drugs for overdoses when used recreationally, therefore invented by Satan.

[Anonymous No.11305072]

>>11301308

Look into ketamine infusion.

>>11304608

CBT in conjunction with psychotropic medication is more effective than either treatment alone.

[Anonymous No.11305155]

>>11301308
I have never heard of a real depression that is not treatment-resistant.
The only solutions are
- Suicide
- Fixing the root cause.
If drugs help (barring borderline lobotomy-tier meds), it's probably not depression.

[Anonymous No.11305386]

>>11305155
What is "real depression"? And what treatment? SSRI limp-dick almost-borderline placebo pills?
While I agree that depression is to a large degree due to circumstances like unhealthy lifestyle (isolation, stress, whatever) it's really hard to do anything about it when you don't even feel like you want to live any more. Suicide is an option, but even a depressed person would prefer to spare their relatives to clean up after his mess.

>>11304786
>>11304809
Yes, IIRC there's even a nasal spray in the last stages of development/trials. I'm not sure why exactly it works and I don't think there's anyone who is, but for me it's like a miracle drug. I mean, it wouldn't be too surprising if you just felt good for a while because you're high as fuck, but it's actually effective at threshold dosages and the anti-depressant effect last for a very long time. Way longer than it stays in the bloodstream. It's like a reset button. I can hardly believe anyone could still be suicidal after using it. Dunno about milder forms of depression. I've been more or less depressed for over half my life now, so I'm not even sure I actually know what it's like to not be depressed at all. I'm already happy when the first thought after waking up isn't that I want to kill myself.

I'm still curious how those clinics in the US, which administer psychedelic doses weekly or more often, are a thing. That seems like it's way too much, way too often. I mean if people like it, fine, They're adults and should be able decide for themselves, but to me it seems more like a monopoly on legal tripping. It's so overpriced it's not even funny. Hundreds, if not thousands of dollars for one trip? What the fuck, those greedy assholes. There is no way I could recommend that when medical grade ketamine is readily available almost everywhere for 20 bucks a gram. That would be a lifetime supply for purely antidepressant purposes.

[Anonymous No.11305983]

>>11305155
"Fixing the root cause" is an incorrect way of looking at it. Depression is a classic vicious cycle. There's an initial stimulus that sets it off but it's totally out of proportion to the level of misery created - healthy, wealthy, successful people can and do fall into depression. Beyond a certain point, depressed people are essentially depressed about being depressed. You think you're a piece of shit, so you are, and you internalise anything that supports that and reject anything that might suggest otherwise. The original cause stops being relevant, it's all about fighting back against that instinctive, irrational pessimism.

[Anonymous No.11306012]

>>11301308
There is growing evidence that psilocybin is an effective treatment for depression.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27210031
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5367557/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5640601/

There are also dozens of clinical trials going on for psilocybin for various indications ranging from depression to migraine headaches to alcoholism.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=&term=psilocybin&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=

[Anonymous No.11306160]

>>11304716
If only I could be as virtuous as you are, dumb fag
People who suffer are egocentric by default, we have other things to mind than your petty feelings. My fucking family is the reason why I was brought to this world, the onus is upon them to solve the problems I can't handle myself. If they can't then that's too fucking bad, they had to think a little bit before bringing me here. Fuck these egocentric cunts. They could, you know, not have kids like respectable people, or at least not breed with people who aren't part of the elite (nowadays life is unironically not worth it for anybody below the top .1% in terms of intellect which is determined genetically, and given your reply you're clearly not in it, even though jews probably convinced you otherwise so that you continue being a useful idiot)

[Anonymous No.11306170]

>>11306160
I feel like you're really fat and ugly. I do agree that family and the society at large has moral obligation to help people in severe distress.

[Anonymous No.11306182]

>>11306170
I feel like you're a dumb slave of the jews
Die for Israel, goy

[Anonymous No.11306277]

>>11301317
>CBT
Kinky

[Anonymous No.11306279]

>>11306012
muh psychedelic therapy dude just try shroomz

[Anonymous No.11306409]

destroy psychiatry

[Anonymous No.11306414]

>>11304608
You're an idiot. CBT is SCIENTIFICALLY proven. Without it I would have offed myself 10 years ago when my wife left me and I fell deep into drug use and depression. Therapy + psychiatric medicine saved my life and CBT helped me see the world in a new way.

[Anonymous No.11306417]

>>11306414
can you tell more about how you were before, how it changed you, and how you were after? and the persistence

[Anonymous No.11306420]

>>11306414
>CBT is SCIENTIFICALLY proven
lel

[Anonymous No.11306422]

>>11306414
>Without it I would have offed myself
Was that the scientific proof? Or..

[Anonymous No.11306427]

>>11301308
go outside more
eat better
exercise
pretend to be happy
interact with other humans

any of this is much more effective than tkaing medication for depression

[Anonymous No.11306488]

>>11306160
If you weren't born a lot of other people would still have been. What a fucking crock, as if it's the responsibility of the people who conceived you. Nobody is responsible for you but yourself. Your attitude manages to sap even suicide of its dignity - a whining baby desperately blaming others even at the end. Why not go out and shoot a bunch of strangers while you're at it? You seem the type.

[Anonymous No.11306494]

>>11306417
I was a quiet, nerdy guy who happened to end up with an 8/10. We were married for 6 years, came home one day and she had cheated on me, shortly thereafter left me for that dude. I was beyond devastated, our son had just turned 2 as well. I basically had a psychological break, fell into very deep depression and sought out some old friends I knew could get me opiates to drown out the pain. Before long I was a worthless, unhealthy heroin junkie. In may 2013 one of my drug associates attempted to murder me and nearly succeeded. I still have PTSD and minor brain damage to this day. I was a wreck for years, hearing voices, extreme depression, extreme anxiety. I eventually gained enough clarity to seek out medical help. I entered into psychotherapy(counseling), had a psychiatric exam and received medicines to treat the various conditions I was living with. The medicine stabilized my chemistry enough to begin to heal emotionally in therapy.

[Anonymous No.11306497]

>>11306417
>>11306494
(part 2)
Through CBT and mindfulness techniques I began to disect my own thoughts and feelings. I came to realizations about my own thoughts, behaviors, drivers, feelings and memories that had never occurred to me. I realized I had not been engaging in introspection and also began to develop that skill as well. CBT was amazing in particular because I slowly began to realize that thoughts and feelings weren't 1-dimensional. There are many facets and levels to every single thoughts, every single emotion. I could then begin to take raw emotion and break it down, compartmentalize it. I began to see many small feelings and thoughts where I had previously only seen one big feeling, one big thought. I even went on to find I had been emotionally neglecting my wife, didnt excuse her behavior, but it helped me learn more about who I was, and more importantly, see the man I wanted to become. processing pain as it comes instead of burying it, I've learned to see hope and light in all situations, I have a genuine love in my heart for all persons, even those I deeply disagree with, even those that are evil. The key the whole time though was having a deep desire to be a healthier person, to shed the fears and pain of the past and refusing to let such things ever dominate me again. Now when something shitty or enraging happens, I face it, analyze where it originated from, how it affects me and how I can use it to grow from. Instead of a narrow range of emotion leaning toward the negative end of the emotional spectrum, I now have a great range of emotions and can easily differentiate between all the distinct feelings and emotions that flow through me. I am quite literally 100x better cognitively and emotionally than I ever was before those great traumatic events impacted my life. I also know I must not grow complacent or arrogant, with this in mind I still continue therapy and still take good hard looks at myself every so often.

[Anonymous No.11306500]

>>11306494
>>11306497
(part 3)
As an example I realized lately I've been flaking on my clients at work as well as friends, missing appointments and phone calls. I realized this was a defect of character, wrote on the whiteboard in my kitchen "No more flake!" and began to work towards changing that aspect of myself.

Anon, CBT and other methods of therapy can radically change you for the better. It's important that you find a therapist you mesh with as well, you need to feel 100% okay with pouring out your soul to them. If you dont click, politely tell them you would like to try someone else, I absolutely guarantee they will be okay with this. It's also important to be receiving psychiatric(medical) treatment as well. Just meds or just therapy will have limited results, they work best when combined. The power to change ourselves lies within us all. I still live with the effects of brain damage, have sleep disorders, minor depression, memory encoding dysfunction but even with all that I, again, am 100x better than I was before I ever touched drugs, alcohol or got whacked in the head.

[Anonymous No.11306512]

>>11306420
He's talking dumb, but studies do show CBT to be the best therapy and to have some effect. Lol lol psychology etc, but if something performs well in tests, that's the best evidence you're ever going to get.

[Anonymous No.11306520]

>>11306500
Thanks for sharing. I will think on this.

[Anonymous No.11306523]

>>11301308
how about philosophy and music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9OCA6UFE-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRo2GqiuP1o

[Anonymous No.11306568]

>>11306488
>Why not go out and shoot a bunch of strangers while you're at it? You seem the type.
I live (for now) in a cucked country which prohibits firearms. It is the responsibility of those who conceived me and those who agree with my being conceived (i.e. who didn't oppose it, which includes most strangers in particular) to give me a way out if I want to, I have never asked for anything, and now not only do I have to live a life I hate, but I also have to be a god-fearing, law-abiding citizen? How convenient for you, honestly you fucking cunts deserve every single shooting you get. Hearing about it on the news never fails to brighten my day.

[Anonymous No.11306719]

>>11306568
Small surprise you're suicidally depressed with such a cancerous philosophy and outlook. I can't really hold it against you, since it affects me not at all and is clearly making you miserable. I will say I find it bizarre and repulsive for someone to claim they've never asked for anything, and in the same breath assert that strangers have a responsibility towards them because they didn't oppose their conception. We can all check out any time we please, you know. Nobody can really stop you, and nobody's going to make it easy for you - why the fuck should they? Not their responsibility, it's yours. Your resentment is ludicrous and childish.

[Anonymous No.11306803]

>>11306719
>We can all check out any time we please, you know.
Nope, perhaps *you* can, burger, but this is not the case here in europe. Firearms are not for sale. The roofs of tall buildings are not freely accessible. There are no skyscrapers with open windows. Most medicine won't kill you, and what kills isn't freely accessible. Then you've got a bunch of retarded ideas which are usually extremely painful and likely to fail, like jumping in front of a train (which is possible where I live, but the success rate is only 2/3, and if it fails how do I attempt it again when I am tetraplegic?). There's CO poisoning but even that is not fail-proof and can leave you as a vegetable

This just isn't that easy, which is a proof that indeed you have never contemplated suicide in a cuck country, else you would know.

[Anonymous No.11306843]

>>11306719
>We can all check out any time we please, you know. Nobody can really stop you, and nobody's going to make it easy for you - why the fuck should they? Not their responsibility, it's yours.
Hm, I agree with
>>11306803
on this one. There certainly are things that a society can do to make suicide harder. There are both implicit and explicit ways. As for the most explicit, there a countless stories of suicidal people that are held against their will in psych wards, in rooms stripped for tools, put in reigns, heavily drugged into literal brain damage. Same in prisons. This isn't a thing in the past. This is happening right now in countries in Europe and possibly in countries outside of Europe as well (please educate me if I am wrong on this).

[Anonymous No.11306854]

Psychedelic microdosing.

[Anonymous No.11306912]

>>11306803
I'm a yurp also. I could kill myself swiftly and reliably if I still wanted to - I know, I well remember my old plans and research. If you genuinely can't reach a similar conclusion by yourself (and I don't think you are genuine) then you're clearly too mad and scatterbrained to be trusted with the decision anyway.

>>11306843
Anyone properly rational can easily lie their way out of a psych ward with patience. Just don't let on you want to kill yourself. If you're incapable of acting normal, then once again you're non compos mentis and it's a good thing you're in there, you're not fit to make the decision for yourself.

Most people who attempt suicide are impulsive, hesitant, and crazy. It's impossible to stop someone who's both very decided on it and at least mostly sane from killing themselves. It's trivial. The asshole I replied to just wants an excuse to be angry at others while also conveniently not getting the job done.

[Anonymous No.11306996]

>>11306912
>Anyone properly rational can easily lie their way out of a psych ward with patience.
I am a sperg and I am extremely bad at lying.
>Most people who attempt suicide are impulsive, hesitant, and crazy. It's impossible to stop someone who's both very decided on it and at least mostly sane from killing themselves.
It's a good point, but this also means that they are probably suffering immensely. You argue that when they are in this state
>your're not fit to make the decision for yourself.
thus robbing them of the opportunity to make this suffering stop. There are certain mental illnesses which never resolve no matter how much treatment. To keep these patients in an environment where suicide is harder is not a trivial matter. At best it can save a person that will recover. At worst it can sustain a whole life of pure suffering.

[Anonymous No.11308231]

>>11306996
It's unfortunate that a tiny minority of incurable suicides are kept alive indefinitely against their will. I think the Dutch allow euthanasia for such cases. The decision still obviously absolutely cannot be placed in the hands of a person suffering serious irrationality - that would lead to many, many unnecessary deaths just to spare a tiny few.

[Anonymous No.11308251]

>>11302089
lol holy fuck i wish you got moar attention for this post anon hell ya

[Anonymous No.11308275]

>>11301843
>We live in a very unnatural and twisted mouse wheel.
Marx was right

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>>11308251

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>>11308814
lol holy fuck i cant handle the win
also fukken saved

[Anonymous No.11311241]

I HAD DEPRESSION BUT THEN I STARTED RUNNING 2K EVERYDAY AND WITHIN A WEEK I FELT WAY BETTER AND I FELT MUCH LESS STRESSED OUT BY THINGS

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>>11301535
That's why you take an opioid with weed. You get the stoning effects of weed with the euphoria of dope.

[Anonymous No.11311530]

>>11301799
A lot of people shit on irving kirsch, but I like his work. Every "rebuttal" of his work that I've read has been complete crap.
I spent just under a decade touring a litany of SSRI antidepressants at high doses for extended periods of time. None of them worked. I've also talked to friends who have taken them and they've reported the same.

[Anonymous No.11313442]

How to deal with isolation induced depression when you're autistic?

[Anonymous No.11313580]

>>11313442
Leave the house idk
Drop in on some lecture somewhere and pretend that you belong

[Anonymous No.11315088]

>>11313580
I go to lectures but I don't know anyone there

[Anonymous No.11315477]

>>11301308
hey anon, you should definitely try psychedelics
do your own research about them, I'd recommend starting with 200ug LSD