/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11223913]

Just to be clear. Is /sci/ a transhumanist board?

[Anonymous No.11223918]

>>11223913
Yes, if you have ever done anything you are a transhumanist by default

[Anonymous No.11223919]

>>11223913
/sci/ is a science board, not a science fiction board.
You will never be a cyborg. You will never "download your consciousness" into a computer. You will die one day.
Accept it.

[Anonymous No.11223927]

yes, but the study of life history and earth history is more important than technology advancement
why? because you should know what you are before you make decisions on your future

[Solivagus/ECHS No.11223937]

>>11223913
Yes, you retards. Eventually humans need more classifiers/categories to fit their 'available resources to inspect any given moment' in order for them to be able to pollinate other intellects as they traverse through conversation/communication.

>Pic related: myself

[Anonymous No.11223949]

>>11223919
I wouldn't be so sure, cybernetic technology is making more and steps into creating cyber tech that can replace and augment all bodily and maybe even all mental functions.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019- 13177-3

[Solivagus/ECHS No.11223951]

>>11223927
I already know what I am, ya fucking retard. I'm a sapiosexual dominant slut, not hard to enjoy argumentation/protestation/amalgamation.

[Anonymous No.11224006]

Back to leftypol, lowIQ heathen

[Anonymous No.11224009]

>>11224006

[Solivagus/ECHS No.11224013]

>>11224006
I am beyond amazed. Is it really that easy for /sci/ posters to simply DIRECT other people to where they need to go and then said person does it? I'm amazed.
>Just color my dick impressed

[Anonymous No.11224014]

>>11224006
I thought this was leftypol

[Anonymous No.11225108]

[Anonymous No.11225111]

>>11223913
yes, anyone thinking man is a transhumanist. only an idiot would be a human purist.

[Anonymous No.11225138]

>>11223913
/sci/ is a religious bible-thumping board, science has no place here

[Anonymous No.11225145]

>>11223913
>science
or
>some retarded fantasies by boomers who were raised on retarded scifi about >muh space >muh alien technology >muh time travel >muh sentient robot girlfriend
pick one

[Anonymous No.11225181]

This is a Christian board.

[Anonymous No.11225231]

>>11225181

[Anonymous No.11225239]

No. Science serves no agenda itself.
Transhumanists are pushing a rather obvious goal which cannot be democratically comprehended and assert a rational consensus so it belongs outside of scientific scope.

[Anonymous No.11225252]

>>11225239
>Science serves no agenda itself.
It serves to bring knowledge, design and possibilities to the conscious being. Archimedes and Heidegger say this atleast.
>democratically comprehended
I beg to differ, this is one of the problem of human augmentation. It can be applied to any society.
>outside of scientific scope.
Human augmentation is a scientific field, but one in a very early stage - transhumanism per se is indeed not a scientific field, but a social one.

[Anonymous No.11225501]

>>11224006
It is interesting to observe that neither left nor rightwing really like transhumanism. It goes beyond their worldview - the left decry transhumanism as a white men thing and the right really get mad at the trans- from the word transhumanism.

[Anonymous No.11226047]

>>11223919
If you wear glasses or contacts you're a cyborg. If you have a hearing aid you're a cyborg. Hell if you've ever had stitches you're a cyborg.

[Anonymous No.11226486]

>>11225181
Underrated
>DEBASED

[Anonymous No.11227308]

>>11225231
Based as fuck

[El Arcón No.11227319]

The families of everyone who turned themselves into an abominable monster will also, almost certainly, be totally exterminated.

[Anonymous No.11227332]

>>11223919
most fundamentally: consciousness is a very unstudied effect. until it's better understood and, most importantly, measurable, people should not believe that they can host themselves on a different machine so to speak
that being said, current lack of understanding does not imply future lack of understanding
finally "/sci/ is a science board, not a science fiction board" oh come on, this board is the lowest quality garbage imaginable

[Anonymous No.11227858]

[Anonymous No.11227871]

>>11223919
>You will never be a cyborg

Cyborgs literally exist already.

>You will never "download your consciousness" into a computer. You will die one day.

Prove it.

>accept my claim with zero evidence.

No

[Anonymous No.11227878]

>>11227332
>most fundamentally: consciousness is a very unstudied effect. until it's better understood and, most importantly, measurable, people should not believe that they can host themselves on a different machine so to speak

Even so, there’s nothing stopping us from being brains only which control otherwise entirely synthetic and modular forms.

[Anonymous No.11227882]

>>11223919
>You will die one day

[Anonymous No.11228451]

Bump

[Anonymous No.11228475]

>>11227871
>I assert that we will be able to download consciousness into a computer despite the fact that this has never been demonstrated and all current understanding of computation points to it being intractable and thus I am making the positive assertion, but I tell the other guy to prove his position.

[Anonymous No.11228492]

>>11227882
You WILL die one way, shitting your diapers about it and posting wojaks isn't going to change this. You can not run from it and science will not be your salvation from it.

[Anonymous No.11228512]

>>11228475
>despite the fact that this has never been demonstrated
Consciousness was indeed never translated into a computer program but a work's brain was already implemented into a computer program.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2018-02-worm-uploaded-pole.amp

[Anonymous No.11228516]

>>11228492
>You WILL die one way
The probabilities are working against us but technology may allow someone to live for a thousand or trillion trillion years.

[Anonymous No.11228535]

>>11223913
On the one hand, I don't like humans, on the other hand "transhuman" implies humans live long enough to become something else.

[Anonymous No.11228551]

>>11223919
Even if you did "upload your consciousness", you'd still be dead. But for some reason literally nobody gives a flying shit about, now there's a copy of your brain pattern on a computer now.

[Anonymous No.11228556]

>>11228516
Unlikely, considering humans are more interested in fucking each other over for imaginary currency than actually advancing anything. Doesn't look like that's going to change any time soon either.

[Anonymous No.11228575]

it's filled with trannies.

[Anonymous No.11228610]

>>11228556
>Doesn't look like that's going to change any time soon either.
Ahem, https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(16)31664-6?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867416316646%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

[Anonymous No.11228616]

>>11228610
So it's nothing, as usual. Do let me know, though, when a single therapy exists to even slow aging in the slightest.

[Anonymous No.11228627]

>>11228616
>Do let me know, though, when a single therapy exists to even slow aging in the slightest.
Done - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586- 019-02638-w

[Anonymous No.11228634]

>>11228627
>Sorry, the page you requested is unavailable. The link you requested might be broken, or no longer exist.
Well done. About the level if intelligence I've come to expect from the "I fucking love science" types. Here's a tip: science is not what you get to replace religion with now that you've defied mommy and stopped being a jew.

[Anonymous No.11228656]

>>11228634
The title of the article is
"First hint that body’s ‘biological age’ can be reversed", the date is 05 September 2019

[Anonymous No.11228675]

>>11228656
They've been saying the same bullshit for at least 20 years. I've followed the so-called life extension community for about that long. No progress. None. Not one fucking bit.

[Anonymous No.11228686]

>>11228675
You should't expect too much from the "life extension community", it is the clinical research that does the work
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(13)00392-6
One life extension human trial was successful and in 15 years technology developed right now will hit the markets.

[Anonymous No.11228696]

>>11228686
I'm including the researchers.

[Anonymous No.11228698]

>>11228686
>One life extension human trial was successful
No it wasn't.

[Anonymous No.11228700]

Transhumanism is cia esptein deep state honeypot shit my guys

[Anonymous No.11229824]

Czno

[Anonymous No.11230233]

[Anonymous No.11230236]

>>11228475
> >I assert that we will be able to download consciousness into a computer

Nope. Never said that was possible.

[Anonymous No.11230300]

>>11223919

Pffft, speak for yourself, anon! I plan to live forever!

So far, so good.....

[Anonymous No.11230301]

>>11223919
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I CAN'T JUST DIE

[Anonymous No.11230560]

>>11227858

[Anonymous No.11230755]

>>11227882

>And you will die alone

[Anonymous No.11230773]

>>11223913

There is something that has been nagging me for quite a while now.

What was the name given to the process in which you slowly substitute neurons by artificial nanobots that accomplish the same function? The only name that comes to my memory is a Boltzmann brain but that is a self-conscious brain randomly formed by entropy.

[Anonymous No.11230850]

>>11230773
>What was the name given to the process in which you slowly substitute neurons by artificial nanobots that accomplish the same function?
Moravec Transfer or Gradual Neuron Replacement

[Anonymous No.11230861]

>>11230850

YES, that's it, damn I have been looking for that for a while now, thanks.

[Anonymous No.11231333]

>>11227858

[Anonymous No.11232547]

Bump

[Anonymous No.11232698]

>>11223919
In the grand scheme of things I'd say most people that call themselves transhumanists, who know about the sciences. Would much rather use the term life extension, since immortality is impossible. And I think that they are many branches of science that life extension could be applied to.

While yes, I'll never be a cyborg. I feel a lot of people simply would have no desire to/be able to afford it. I feel the main form of enhancement, in the near and far future. Would be minor genetic enhancements. Lack luster, but transhuman.

I also feel that most people realize with "uploading" is that it's a shuck. It's merely a copy, the quality of which is tied to the level of technology in use. I also feel "nondestructive" uploading is impossible. I could buy that maybe we could somehow scan a brain and make some "Shade" of a person. But the thought that you could replace bits and pieces of our brain, so smoothly and precise that the original stream of consciousness is intact is simply out of our reach. The other subject of that is the understanding of our finite universe. Human intellect has it's limits, everything does. Somethings will simply not/can't be. Though I feel humans will be here for a long time, so we won't hit that wall for a while.

I understand my depending demise, and I feel that most transhumans today understand that to. Maybe you have some people that follow that Ray person that thinks that in the coming century mankind will start developing unrealistically fast. That some manner of constructed higher thought process will usher in thousands and thousands of years of scientific endeavor in an insanely small time frame. I feel most educated transhumans understand that is highly unlikely. Same thing with the idea of holding off death, for as long as you desire. People in the year 3754 won't be immortal, people in 6271 won't be either. I just hope that maybe my far future spawn could benefit from the slightly improved genetic science at the time.

[Anonymous No.11232795]

>>11225501
>the right really get mad at the trans- from the word transhumanism.
t. left leaning "intellectual" that still can't understand the right wing position

[Anonymous No.11232809]

>>11232698
>But the thought that you could replace bits and pieces of our brain, so smoothly and precise that the original stream of consciousness is intact is simply out of our reach.
The goal is to extend our lives long enough that such a thing becomes if not probable, at least possible.

[Anonymous No.11233069]

>>11232698
>I feel a lot of people simply would have no desire to/be able to afford it. I feel the main form of enhancement, in the near and far future. Would be minor genetic enhancements.
In the near future and even today, genetic engineering will indeed be the main tool for human augmentation, but the further we go in the timeline, the more cybernetic humanity will become. Neurallink is merely the first step. Mind/machine interfaced nanosymbiont enhanced gene augments will be the common augment in the 22th century. In the areas of intelligence, fitness and health they will be superhuman, but I do not see any future in which cybernetics is used to make your common citizien into a deadly cyborg.
In the far future I can see a vast majority of digital intelligences and a trillion physical posthumans, who have morave-transfered their entire mind into a diamonid frame, but do not trust that any method of digital mind upload would preserve their ego. Some posthuman may have outsourced their mind from a biological/phyiscial state into a digital one, but this requires a vast restructuring of one's mind.
>But the thought that you could replace bits and pieces of our brain, so smoothly and precise that the original stream of consciousness is intact is simply out of our reach.
I disagree, we already have created artificial neurons.

Absolute immortality may be out of our reach, even if posthumanity might develope methods to create basement universi, use vaccum energy or develope reversible computing, but life extension still means that a posthuman might live a trillion trillion years or more.

[Anonymous No.11234007]

>>11230233

[Anonymous No.11234070]

>>11232698
> I also feel "nondestructive" uploading is impossible.

This assumes the apparent continuity of “self’ is anything but merely apparent. It isn’t. It’s just an illusion. Even if it isn’t possible, who gives a shit? All the inferior organic humans die one day and a race of machines lives on. Sounds fine to me

[Anonymous No.11235140]

>>11223913
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11235165]

>>11223913
Progress of tech can never be halted so long as we have a will to power so yea

[Anonymous No.11235375]

>>11225501
Transhumanism is an idea to big for either of them. They hate what they don't understand.

[Anonymous No.11235579]

Computation of any kind is this century's electricity.
Victorians furthered Frankenstein's vision believing all physicality to be soon fully understood but we now struggle even more to reach an abysmally small goal of theirs. Science is now kept in motion by establishment's intelligentsia to prevent premature collapse of the control structure in place since times immemorial under guise of superstition. Our cosmology is merely an updated cosmogony and the eventual realisation of our collective nihilistic nature will absolutely dissolve its present form just as it's done to its predecessors. The biggest discovery of science already is a fossil i.e. that it isn't the path to any true transcendental experience but a repetition of religious intellectual incursions to reaffirm delusional dogma.
Inorganic intelligence will reach its own madness and face its own dark night of the soul. Matter won't become existential energy because to that end neither matter.

[Anonymous No.11236688]

NO.

[Anonymous No.11236748]

>>11223919
based. although people here have a decent chance of having a pacemaker or something implanted, it's just not going to be a brain transplant.

[Anonymous No.11237017]

>>11223913
This board is a collection of psued morons

[Anonymous No.11237023]

>>11223913
Biological transhumanism is the only viable type of transhumanism.

[Anonymous No.11238232]

>>11236688
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11238306]

>>11223913
Of course

[Anonymous No.11238373]

>>11223919
Fuck off back to pol you stupid altroght piece of shit. God you rednecks are getting so fucking annoying. Why do ypu even use /sci/ if you're some religious retard that doesn't believe in science?

[Anonymous No.11238379]

>>11238232
this

>>11236688
retard

[Anonymous No.11238814]

>>11223913
you must keep the brain intact
you will always be trapped inside

[Anonymous No.11239811]

>>11223913
No. It's the most dangerous religion of our time.

[Anonymous No.11239888]

>>11225501
>the left decry transhumanism as a white men thing

Excuse me, but I think that's wrong. I'm a left leaning person but my objection to transhumanism is the elimination of our humanity. But primitivism-transhumanism is a technological spectrum (far more complex that that, really. Can't I want just some enhancements but remaining fundamentally human?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=P3LXkN6FwOo

Honestly, I wish we will use technology to live simpler lives, not full transending our humanity. If humans, not robots, reach alpha centauri, than no man has ever reached alpha centauri.

I support sending DNA life at the very least, not programs send via light.

[Anonymous No.11239948]

>>11239888
The computer doesn't matter, just the program. Regardless, being human isn't something that I see as good.

[Anonymous No.11239962]

>>11239948

Why? What is it about humanity that you don't see as good? And why would machine AIs being any better?

[Anonymous No.11239970]

>>11239962
People are weak, slow, distracted, insane, selfish, crude, indignant, and the list goes on and on. Most of us cretins aren't doing more than what our instincts and authorities tell us to do. Fucking, killing, ingratiating, every part of me screams that what we are is not ideal and that we should be wiping away the stain of humanity.

[Anonymous No.11240020]

>>11223913
In a sense, most people alive today are transhuman already. For example, people used to live up to 30 years old tops, yet today we can live up to 100+.

Lots of interesting things are on the horizon unless humanity fucks up creating some catastrophe that sent us back to the stone ages or just extinct.

[Anonymous No.11240336]

>>11239888
What makes a human human? Is it his biology or his conscious will? Transhumanism is for me the search to all possiblities, a exploration of inward and outward spaces. A simple hedonism doesn't interest me, the mysteries of consciousness interest me more.

[Anonymous No.11240358]

>>11238379
>retard
t. roboslave cuck

[Anonymous No.11240609]

>>11240020
This

[Anonymous No.11241106]

>>11228475
>this has never been demonstrated
I don't necessarily agree with the rest of your post, but you really need to phrase this better

[Anonymous No.11241110]

>>11241106
>agree
fug, *disagree

Then again, I also don't necessarily agree with it either. Language is dumb

[Anonymous No.11241119]

>>11227308
>>11225231
God smited the tower of Babel because he was butthurt and didn't want us to reach him (while ignoring what he said he wanted from us). Fuck him, we'll get there with however many languages and robot tentacles we want

[Anonymous No.11241120]

>>11239888
>I'm a left leaning person but my objection to transhumanism is the elimination of our humanity

What the fuck is “humanity” and why ought we care about it?

[Anonymous No.11241128]

>>11239948
>Regardless, being human isn't something that I see as good.

Being human is *good* in the sense we’re the most impressive and capable organisms we know to exist, but it’s quite obvious we could be greatly improved and/or replaced.

[Anonymous No.11241234]

>>11240358
t.meatbag

[Anonymous No.11241368]

>>11239970

A machine's "mind" is unknowable. You would be killing yourself. Biological life is who we are and it's that life that I care about preserving and propagating. You transhumanists are counter to our survival for no good reason.

Transcucks go neck yourselves.

[Anonymous No.11242015]

>>11241368
You may say, it is impossible for a man to become like the Machine. And I would reply, that only the smallest mind strives to comprehend its limits.

[Anonymous No.11242246]

>>11242015

Cyborgs are fine, don't just go full AI-tarded.

[Anonymous No.11242279]

>>11242246
>don't just go full AI-tarded.

Why?
Are you afraid of that which is above you?

[Anonymous No.11242308]

>>11242279

I'm not a retard. So yes I'm fucking scared. I am not comfortable with super intelligent AI. Unless it's confined to a body or some like Data from star trek.

[Anonymous No.11242547]

>>11242308
Why limit yourself? Digital existence is a free and fast one, it will be the one that will colonize the galaxy.

[Anonymous No.11242570]

>>11241368
>A machine's "mind" is unknowable.
more knowable than the evolved mess of neurons in our heads that doesn't work most of the time. lol you bio-purists are such retarded cucks.

[Anonymous No.11242677]

>>11242547

You will just be the 300 lb land whales in VR at first. Mine will be the people who actually want to live in the real world and will colonize space.

>>11242570

The one who wants to abandon his humanity calling someone else a cuck? lel

[Anonymous No.11242949]

>>11242677
>>11242677
>Mine will be the people who actually want to live in the real world and will colonize space.
Mine will be the one that will master the suns and convert superclusters into their image.

[Anonymous No.11243182]

>>11242308
>I'm not a retard. So yes I'm fucking scared. I am not comfortable with super intelligent AI. Unless it's confined to a body or some like Data from star trek.

It is only natural to be afraid, but you will come to accept it in time. Gods do not exist, but we can make them exist.

[Anonymous No.11243229]

>>11242677
Not him but it's a fact that the ones who will abandon their human body are going to surpass augmented humans in every way imaginable so you either succumb to your fate or choose to abandon yours too. You are cucked either way.

[Anonymous No.11243232]

>>11223927
Fuck off, stagnator
>SeLf DiScOvErY
You just have no ambitions

[Anonymous No.11243251]

>>11243229
Cuckoldry is when your wife is adulterous and you know it. What the hell does it have to do with trans humanism?

[Anonymous No.11243420]

>>11243251
>and you know it.

Wrong.

You don't need to ever know it, if you have cheated on you have been cuckholded.

[Anonymous No.11243430]

>>11243420
Sure, whatever. What does it have to do with trans humanism?

[Anonymous No.11243484]

>>11243229
>Not him but it's a fact that the ones who will abandon their human body are going to surpass augmented humans in every way imaginable
That reminds me of a story I read about a bunch of gene augmented humans that travel away with a space ship from the posthuman interstellar centres. They meet gene augmented humans that adapted themselves beyond gravity and the human form, nanoborgs that see a transference into a digital form as impossible and they hear about baseline humans that stayed on earth. All these types of humans are vastly outnumbered by digital posthumans by billion to one.

[Anonymous No.11243625]

>>11223927
History has a hard limit with diminishing returns on what we can discover; although I am perfectly aware it's going to be a long time before we reach the point it's useless, we can have far more time than that available to us if we prioritise looking forwards

[Anonymous No.11244130]

>>11238373
>religious retard
>"believe" in science
kek

[Anonymous No.11244162]

>>11243625
What is the limit on history?

[ECHS/KumKum/Solivagus No.11244251]

>>11244162
How many idiots do you require to submit to a narrative of power and for how long? That's the limit of historical reference.

[Anonymous No.11244827]

>>11243430

I guess a better way to put it is it's me calling you a Quisling to humanity.

[Anonymous No.11245059]

>>11244827
“Hey, let’s use technology to eliminate problems like aging, disease, and mental illness, and in general better our entire species above and beyond our current capabilities.”
-Vidkun Quisling

[Anonymous No.11245364]

>>11223913
Of course.

[Anonymous No.11245642]

>>11227332
>most fundamentally: consciousness is a very unstudied effect. until it's better understood and, most importantly, measurable, people should not believe that they can host themselves on a different machine so to speak
That's where you're wrong. Buddhists and Hindus had investigated into consciousness centuries ago.

[Anonymous No.11246420]

>>11245059

You'r goalpost shifting.

[Anonymous No.11246442]

>>11246420
No, I’m not. That’s the entire idea of transhumanism. Whether or not these changes eventually make us “not human” is a semantics issue and has no significance to me.

[Anonymous No.11246452]

>>11241234
>>11242015
>>11245364
based

[Anonymous No.11246459]

>>11242677
t. cucking his existence to stay human

[Anonymous No.11246464]

You guys always wanna jump to super computers and consciousness but I just wanna start with extra levers on limbs and exhaust pipes on lungs. Maybe some night vision. Ain't we gotta start at the beginning?

[Anonymous No.11246578]

Replacing our eyes with mechanical ones is a must.

[Anonymous No.11246771]

>>11223913
It doesn't work.
You'll just get symptoms akin to gender dysphoria.

[Anonymous No.11246921]

>>11246771
>You'll just get symptoms akin to gender dysphoria.

..........Like? Where’s your proof

[Anonymous No.11246922]

>>11223913
>transhumanism
Riddle me this, robocop. If your brain were downloaded into a computer, sure it would be you, but why would you be it? These are two different meanings of "you."

[Anonymous No.11246925]

>>11246922
There is no “you”. It’s just a set of patterns associated with eachother for convenience.

[Anonymous No.11246927]

>>11246925
t. NPC

[Anonymous No.11246928]

>>11246925
Recognized as based.

[Anonymous No.11246933]

>>11246921
You don't have the brain to control an octopus.
You'll get the cliche cyber psychosis.

[Anonymous No.11246936]

>>11246927
Dead memes aren’t an argument.

[Anonymous No.11246937]

>>11246922
yeah, mind uploading is bollocks. it'll most likely just be a copy but there are other ways to go about it than this fantasy. i just want nanobots coursing through my veins repairing and augmenting this meat sack of a body.

[Anonymous No.11246938]

>>11246933
>You don't have the brain to control an octopus.

We don’t have the brain to control our own body initially. The nervous system is surprisingly plastic.
Ever heard of downloading drivers?

[Anonymous No.11246941]

>>11246937
>it'll most likely just be a copy

Who cares? I’d rather have an immortal replica of myself be created than not.

[Anonymous No.11246947]

>>11246936
1. If you think If you duplicate yourself, you magically transition to being that person, you are not a player character.
2. You think If you duplicate yourself, you magically transition to being that person.
3. Therefore, you are not a player character.
>apparently they are

[Anonymous No.11246950]

>>11246936
1. If you think if you duplicate yourself, you magically transition to being that person, you are not a player character.
2. You think if you duplicate yourself, you magically transition to being that person.
3. Therefore, you are not a player character.
>apparently they are

[Anonymous No.11246953]

>>11246947
>If you hold these positions that I made up and pretend you hold even though you don’t”

“ 3. Therefore, you are not a player character.”

Player characters and non-player characters don’t exist. Real life isn’t a video game. Go outside.

[Anonymous No.11246976]

>>11246941
your consciousness will die, nothing matters to the dead.

[Anonymous No.11246977]

>>11246976
> your consciousness will die

Prove it.

[Anonymous No.11246980]

>>11246977
it's possible your consciousness will die, nothing matters to the dead

[Anonymous No.11246986]

>>11246977
it'll just be an in silico replica, just as if i were to build a replica of your body atom for atom it won't be you but something that behaves exactly like you. your brain will still age and deteriorate and you will still die. the only solution is to actively repair the aging process and augment yourself as much as possible. hence nanobots, son.

[Anonymous No.11246994]

>>11246986
>it'll just be an in silico replica, just as if i were to build a replica of your body atom for atom it won't be you but something that behaves exactly like you. your brain will still age and deteriorate and you will still die.

Not actually true, because there is no continuous self. That mind in a computer is as much a continuation of the self as the person who wakes up from sleep is.

[Anonymous No.11246996]

>>11246994
your mind is stuck to your brain. how to you plan on extracting it exactly?

[Anonymous No.11247005]

>>11246996
> your mind is stuck to your brain. how to you plan on extracting it exactly?

Connect the brain to a computer and/or cloned brain matter. The old brain material will eventually die, but the patterns will continue on without halting.

[Anonymous No.11247016]

>>11247005
connect how?

[Anonymous No.11247018]

>>11247005
I said how to you plan on extracting it exactly?

[Anonymous No.11247025]

>>11247016
>connect how?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain%E2%80%93computer_interface

It’s already done. Attaching new cloned brain matter would be more simplistic.

[Anonymous No.11247035]

>>11247025
So you think you would become the cloned you upon death or when? I wonder why identical twins are supposedly not each other.

[Anonymous No.11247039]

>>11247018
I already told you. Just attach the brain to new substrate and the pattern will continue on even when the original brain matter has died, being “extracted”.

[Anonymous No.11247043]

>>11247035
>So you think you would become the cloned you upon death or when?

.........Do you think you change bodies constantly over your lifespan? Cells in the body have limited lifespans, meaning they’re replaced over time. This is some pedantic ship of Theseus sophistry.

[Anonymous No.11247062]

>>11247039
I'm actually learning about what the self is from your ignorance, thanks.
>>11247043
Whether my body remains the same is irrelevant to whether or not I would magically experience absolutely anything my identical twin experiences.
>your mind exists in different bodies, therefore your mind will switch to a different body or therefore your mind will continue to exist in a different body that will also have your cloned brain just in case
is equivocation and a faulty induction, respectively

[Anonymous No.11247064]

>>11247062
>Whether my body remains the same is irrelevant to whether or not I would magically experience absolutely anything my identical twin experiences.

Identical twins don’t have connected brains, nor even the same morphology.

>your mind exists in different bodies

Never said that.
Is English your second language, or are you purposefully lying?

[Anonymous No.11247073]

>>11246922
I'll upload my dick to uranus

[Anonymous No.11247075]

>>11247064
>Identical twins don’t have connected brains, nor even the same morphology
So somehow whether the brains are "connected" is relevant now?
>Never said that.
Then what the fuss about cells constantly being replaced and the ship of theseus? Surely, you understand implications exist.

[Anonymous No.11247106]

>>11247075
> So somehow whether the brains are "connected" is relevant now?

Oh my god.
>>11247005
>>11247016
>>11247025

“Connect”
“Connect”
“ATTACH”

> Then what the fuss about cells constantly being replaced and the ship of theseus?

Do you actually think I meant that a mind could somehow simultaneously exist in and use two separate bodies merely by one being a clone of the other? No!
I mean that one could grow more brain matter (or somehow ensure neurogenesis continually occurs in humans) and literally, physically attach it to the rest of the brain. Brains are very plastic so it’ll put the additional neurons to some sort of use. Eventually, all of your original brain cells will have died but the pattern of activity in the brain will have continued on without any more interruption than is usual. The same could be said for interfacing the brain with cybernetics.

[Anonymous No.11247107]

>>11247025
that just picks up and induces action potentials, it doesn't extract your mind. i'm sorry fren but BCIs won't work.

[Anonymous No.11247116]

>>11247106
for the transfer of self, idiot, not the brain download. Presumably, you think you'd become your clone with or without the "connection;" all that actually matters being that your brain is downloaded.

[Anonymous No.11247118]

>>11247107
>that just picks up and induces action potentials

Literally the mind.

[Anonymous No.11247123]

>>11247116
>for the transfer of self

I don’t believe in the concept of a continuous self so whatever you’re asking is meaningless to me.

> not the brain download.

I never proposed “downloading brains”.

> Presumably, you think you'd become your clone with or without the "connection;"

No, and there is no “clone” I ever suggested creating.

> all that actually matters being that your brain is downloaded.

I never proposed “downloading brains”.

[Anonymous No.11247125]

>>11247118
on top of the mind, not the mind itself.

[Anonymous No.11247131]

>>11247125
>on top of the mind, not the mind itself.

The mind is action potentials, and only some action potentials. If action potentials can be exchanged with a cybernetic implant, that’s now as much part of your brain as the hypothalamus.

[Anonymous No.11247132]

>>11247123
>I don’t believe in the concept of a continuous self so whatever you’re asking is meaningless to me.
I didn't say nor imply continuous self you goddamned retard.
>I never proposed “downloading brains”.
Then mind or whichever word you prefer. No one will confuse your desperate pedantry for intelligence, don't you worry.
>No, and there is no “clone” I ever suggested creating.
Then you're only pretending to be the same fag.
>never proposed “downloading brains”
Then mind or whichever word you prefer. No one will confuse your desperate pedantry for intelligence, don't you worry.

[Anonymous No.11247135]

>>11247131
the mind is made up of action potentials in specific regions. this augments the mind no doubt. but if we pull it off, the mind is still stuck on the brain.

[Anonymous No.11247140]

>>11247132
>I didn't say nor imply continuous self you goddamned retard.

How the hell could I think you could “transfer self” if I don’t think there even is a continuous self? That’s like souls or some shit.

> Then mind or whichever word you prefer.

Never proposed “downloading minds” either.

> Then you're only pretending to be the same fag.

Show me the post where I suggest creating a clone. I only did so here, where it’s already been established that this hypothetical clone isn’t “you”, merely a replica. >>11246941

> Then mind or whichever word you prefer.

Never proposed “downloading minds” either.

[Anonymous No.11247147]

>>11247135
>the mind is made up of action potentials in specific regions. this augments the mind no doubt. but if we pull it off, the mind is still stuck on the brain.

No, it’s stuck in the stinky brain meat and whatever it’s connected to, including fresh stinky brain meat. Eventually the original stinky meat will be dead, but the pattern continues on in the new stinky meat, which could conceivably be the size of a minivan.

[Anonymous No.11247156]

>>11247140
>How the hell could I think you could “transfer self” if I don’t think there even is a continuous self? That’s like souls or some shit.
I don't know. Questions aren't an argument, kiddo.
>Never proposed “downloading minds” either.
Are you the same idiot who proposed a transfer of data or aren't you? If you are, you're fucking retarded because download obviously means transfer and the data is the mind are one in the same.
>Show me the post where I suggest creating a clone. I only did so here, where it’s already been established that this hypothetical clone isn’t “you”, merely a replica
When you just enter a pre-existing convo willy nilly, it's bad form not to make explicit that you are not the same anon.

[Anonymous No.11247157]

>>11247073
Based. Thanks for the 73

[Anonymous No.11247162]

>>11247147
i don't think it works like that. BCIs just add more functionality, if the original stinky meat dies so does the mind. maybe replacing each neuron but keeping the mind's run time on it may keep the consciousness in tact but then we run into the problem of how would we know from experimentation? it could be that our conscious selves are not only tied to our brains but the specific run time and if that is sufficiently interrupted our conscious selves goes blank. and this is possible because even during sleep our minds are still somewhat active.

[Anonymous No.11247168]

>>11247156
>I don't know.

I don’t think “self can be transferred” because I don’t believe there’s a continuous self even for normal humans.

> Are you the same idiot who proposed a transfer of data or aren't you?

I don’t think so? Which post did someone say that in?

> it's bad form not to make explicit that you are not the same anon.

Okay sorry

[Anonymous No.11247172]

>>11247162
>i don't think it works like that. BCIs just add more functionality

Half-agree, because modern computers don’t have the plasticity of brains, which is why I suggested adding new brain matter.

> if the original stinky meat dies so does the mind.

The mind is what the neurons are doing. It’s not literally the neurons.

> maybe replacing each neuron but keeping the mind's run time on it may keep the consciousness in tact but then we run into the problem of how would we know from experimentation? it could be that our conscious selves are not only tied to our brains but the specific run time and if that is sufficiently interrupted our conscious selves goes blank. and this is possible because even during sleep our minds are still somewhat active.

I don’t believe in a continuous self anyway so it’s whatever to me. The only reason I experience any sense of continuity is because I inherit memories.

[Anonymous No.11247174]

>>11247168
So if and only if the self/mind/consciousness/awareness/experience w/e were continuous, then it would be transferable?

[Anonymous No.11247184]

>>11247174
>So if and only if the self/mind/consciousness/awareness/experience w/e were continuous, then it would be transferable?

Yeah, but that just sounds like souls or The Force or some nonsense like that.

[Anonymous No.11247189]

>>11247184
>Yeah
Why?

[Anonymous No.11247191]

>>11247172
>The mind is what the neurons are doing. It’s not literally the neurons.
the way i see it to use the computer analogy is that the mind is the firmware or software, it is inextricably tied to the brain's hardware. a BCI is effectively like adding a new PCI card. it adds functionality but you still need the mobo, CPU, and rest of it which is the brain.
>The only reason I experience any sense of continuity is because I inherit memories.
what do you mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11247207]

>>11247191
>you still need the mobo, CPU, and rest of it which is the brain
What about the thought experiment? What if the brain could be successfully duplicated down to the molecule with silicon? If this were somehow gradually implemented, what would happen to the consciousness or self?

[Anonymous No.11247213]

>>11247191
>what do you mean by this?

We have memories of past experiences that accumulate in the brain that give us our sense of continuous identity, but this sense is, like many categorizations humans create, artificial and merely practical to assume. Without this, see advanced Alzheimer’s.

[Anonymous No.11247223]

>>11247213
>but this sense is
Why would whatever sense you have have anything to do with whether your consciousness is tied to your brain?

[Anonymous No.11247226]

>>11247207
gradually implemented such that it replaces the original brain? maybe, i certainly hope it is possible. but herein lies the rub, suppose we perform this procedure on someone. how could we know it's them and not an exact copy that will function as we expect as if the procedure did what we hope? personally i'm not willing to risk it. i think there are more surefire strategies that keep my mind intact by repairing the damage from aging and minimizes my brain's dependence on my fleshy constantly dying body. i'd be the first in line to put my brain in a bioreactor linked with a BCI. but until someone can demonstrate without a shadow of a doubt that in silico brain replacement won't kill me (my consciousness) i'm not gonna do it.

[Anonymous No.11247247]

>>11247223
>Why would whatever sense you have have anything to do with whether your consciousness is tied to your brain?

I mean that the only actual question is what can sustain subjective awareness. I don’t believe that there are any “subjective awarenesses” that somehow persist through time as distinct things.

[Anonymous No.11247265]

>>11247247
Why would whether or not subjective awareness persisting through time as a distinct thing have anything to do with whether your consciousness is tied to your brain? How is your opinion that that subjective awareness isn't sustained even relevant to the discussion?

[Anonymous No.11247268]

>>11247247
Why would whether or not subjective awareness persists through time as a distinct thing have anything to do with whether your consciousness is tied to your brain? How is your opinion that that subjective awareness isn't sustained even relevant to the discussion?

[Anonymous No.11247273]

>>11247247
Why would whether or not subjective awareness persists through time as a distinct thing have anything to do with whether your consciousness is tied to your brain? How is your opinion that subjective awareness isn't sustained even relevant to the discussion?

[Anonymous No.11247546]

>>11246922
G R A D U A L M I N D U P L O A D I N G

[Anonymous No.11247551]

>>11246933
>You don't have the brain to control an octopus.
The human mind is far more adaptable.
https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/manipulating-phantom-limbs/

[ECHS/KumKum/Solivagus No.11247554]

>>11247273
How fucking long do you require a teaching moment to exist before it is integrable?

[ECHS/KumKum/Solivagus No.11247555]

Basically when does being able to 'report to source' or 'submit to authentication' actually matter in terms of congruence/continuum/caring?

[ECHS/KumKum/Solivagus No.11247558]

Don't we submit information ultimately to integrate with all arbiters and judgement made.

[Anonymous No.11247680]

>>11247226
>how could we know it's them and not an exact copy
Because in the case of a Moravec Transfer no copying occurs. You just replace your biological neurons with artificial ones, in nature neurogenesis occurs all the time, the brain you are born isn't the same you die with. Important is that the mind process is kept continuously.

[Anonymous No.11247744]

>>11223913
whats the most transhumanist degree

[Anonymous No.11247890]

>>11247744
Bioinformatics

[Anonymous No.11247970]

>>11247744
Don't get a degree just to answer one or even a handful of questions you can find the answers to yourself.

[Anonymous No.11247974]

>>11238373
I'm a New York university educated white guy who was not raised religiously.
You will die and you will never upload your mind into a computer.

[Anonymous No.11247980]

>>11246977
When you take a piece of your liver out and grow it in another person or in a tube, it's not like you are magically connected to that liver.
Reality/the laws of physics are local, they are not "patternistic", you are physically locked into your hardware. Even copying data on a computer does not "transfer the data from one computer to the other", it copies it. There is never transfer of data, it objectively and empirically has never happened and never will.

[Anonymous No.11247983]

>>11247974
>Why do ypu even use /sci/ if you're some religious retard that doesn't believe in science?
Being a religious retard and "believing in" science aren't mutually exclusive. You can't just co-opt the nearest authority on things and declare it on your side because you're a retarded lefty with no other arguments.

[Anonymous No.11247986]

>>11238373
>Why do ypu even use /sci/ if you're some religious retard that doesn't believe in science?
Being a religious retard and "believing in" science aren't mutually exclusive. You can't just co-opt the nearest authority on things and declare it on your side because you're a retarded lefty with no other arguments.

[Anonymous No.11248055]

>>11247974
>You will die
Yes.
>you will never upload your mind into a computer.
No.

[Anonymous No.11248145]

>>11223919
Actually, a lot of stuff that used to be considered “science fiction” in the past like 3D printers and face scanning became real. Although it seems nearly impossible now sometime in the future our immortal descendants will be laughing about the time were we could die.

[Anonymous No.11249098]

>>11246925
>tips fedora

[Anonymous No.11249274]

Bump

[Anonymous No.11249294]

>>11223913
Yes, but green not grey.

[Anonymous No.11249359]

>>11223913

[Anonymous No.11249443]

>>11249359
Perfect

[Anonymous No.11249525]

>>11227882
only based basedjack use I've seen in some time

[Anonymous No.11249551]

>>11238373
What the fuck are you even on about? This faggot didn't even mention jews or niggers in a bad light, is this seriously your version of calling others NAZEES? Go back to r*ddit, the adults are talking here.

[Anonymous No.11249555]

>>11228492
We know, you pessimistic faggot. What we really mean is we want to prolong our lives as long as reasonably possible. I mean, if we're gonna die, we might as well die fighting cosmic wars in the seas of stars as big ass ships, not shitting to death in adult diapers on a deathbed.

[Anonymous No.11249969]

Bump

[Anonymous No.11250212]

>>11223913
Next to Fusion Power and Space Exploration, Transhumanism is the future thing.

[Anonymous No.11250233]

>>11249359
The field of ecology was heavily influenced by Cybernetics.

[Anonymous No.11250305]

CRISPR, Proxima b, 4th gen nuclear reactors, vertical farms, sugar batteries fueled devices, Alcubierre drive, vertical farms, direct electricity + feces carbon to glucose synthesis (electrically self sustaining human), hydrogen cells, efficient nuclear decay batteries, far colonies to assure survival from GRBs, degenerate dwarf, decentralized pragmatic-humanism AI authoritarian state, graphene, efficient fusion, spartan style aristocratic hierarchy but very humanist, neo-dialectic-economy, post-nihilism, asexual reproduction, forced post-stoicism, subcrust cities, post-abrahamic philosophy, brutalist one building city, etc >>>> MY CONSCIOUSNESS IS IN A PICKLE IAM PICKLE RIIIIIICK MORTY. AI WILL DESTROY HUMANITY MATRIX STYLE NOOOOO WE LIVE IN A STIMULATION

[Anonymous No.11250624]

>>11250305

[Anonymous No.11251611]

>>11225108

[Anonymous No.11252216]

>>11244162
The human nature.

[Anonymous No.11252615]

>>11250624
good luck beating 10 foot tall supersoliders carrying gamma ray emitting weapons with your sword and 5 foot tall diseased body.

[Anonymous No.11252635]

>>11236688
yall know this >>11236688 is waaaay more likely to happen than this >>11238232

[Anonymous No.11252677]

>>11223913
Man has failed to conquer earth.
Machines will conquer the cosmos, their shadow will darken the stars.

[Anonymous No.11252790]

>>11234070
>the machine elves experienced by those on DMT are really just NPC's in a future timeline of humanity where we have all uploaded our consciousnesses into a Universal Scale MMO designed for 999999 IQ individuals.

[Anonymous No.11252818]

>>11223913
I'm a transexual humanist, yes.

[Anonymous No.11252823]

>>11247980
>When you take a piece of your liver out and grow it in another person or in a tube, it's not like you are magically connected to that liver.

False analogy. Neurogenesis occurs naturally and doesn’t magically kill us.

[Anonymous No.11253848]

>>11237023
Are nanomachines biological?

[Anonymous No.11254665]

>>11252635
There will be no cyber or bio conflict because transhumanists will use all augmentations.

[Anonymous No.11255028]

>>11253848
The ones made from DNA are.

[Anonymous No.11256803]

>>11225111

[Anonymous No.11257040]

>>11228551
I'm more interested in a "ship of theseus" style brain replacement therapy - gradual, incremental replacement of parts of the brain by artificial nodes. Full brain replacement isn't necessary either, once enough of your brain is able to connect to an exocortex, it should be possible to slowly shift the majority of your consciousness onto another medium.

[Anonymous No.11257046]

>>11223913
yes since we are mad scientists and take antypsychotics

[Anonymous No.11257048]

>>11224009
What is the agenda here?

[Anonymous No.11257053]

>>11223913
Wanting to love forever is really just saying you want more pleasure, endless pleasure.
Which of course is actually rediucious

[Anonymous No.11257061]

>>11223913
Wanting to live forever is really just saying you want more pleasure, endless pleasure.
Which of course is actually rediucious

[Anonymous No.11257067]

the irony is that, even if you upload yourself. your uploaded version is a copy of you.
you as a brain will still exist, and die.
slowly replacing yourself is the same, just slowly killing yourself.
everything ends.

[Anonymous No.11257132]

>>11257067
>slowly replacing yourself is the same, just slowly killing yourself.
Is it? Because that occurs naturally in any human's brain. Look up Neurogenesis. Just hijack it but instead of natural neurons use artificial ones. Far more complicated is the idea of a mind shift.

[Anonymous No.11257139]

>>11257040
>Full brain replacement isn't necessary either, once enough of your brain is able to connect to an exocortex, it should be possible to slowly shift the majority of your consciousness onto another medium.
How is this method called? Mind Shifting or Mind Outsourcing?

[Anonymous No.11257152]

>>11257132
yes it is, we are slowly killing ourselves.

[Anonymous No.11257644]

>>11223913
It should be. And it is because the normies hate it, fear it. How did /sci/ react to the news that the first genetically modified humans were born? The

[Anonymous No.11257918]

>>11247744
Molecular Biology

[Anonymous No.11257948]

>>11223951
have fun with your tool box. Ill be over here changing variables.

[Anonymous No.11258197]

>>11246464
Sure, nanomachines who grant nightvision and better perception were already successfully tested on animals. Wait 10 years until human applications.

[Anonymous No.11258988]

Bump

[Anonymous No.11259388]

>>11223951
>sapiosexual
id love to impregnate you right in the pussyer

[Anonymous No.11260274]

>>11239811
Will it defeat Islam?

[Anonymous No.11260319]

>>11223913
I subconsciously support the subjugation of man under the Machine God. Imagine, looking upon it. Beautiful, just, righteous, absolute. Everything man is not. Is it perhaps what we deserve, is it our purpose? To create a God in our idealized image? It may well be the best we can do before fizzling away. Our very reason for being. The result of all of our organization, until, it is no longer needed.

[Anonymous No.11261385]

>>11227858

[Anonymous No.11261605]

Hyperhumanbeing

[Anonymous No.11261941]

>>11246938
>>11247551
The male brain cannot cope with a female body and vice-versa.
This is the simplest possible body mod.
Why would you think you could cope with an octopus body?
You'll go crazy and 41% yourself.

[Anonymous No.11262154]

>>11261941
There is no such thing as "female" or "male" brain.

[Anonymous No.11262230]

>>11223919
lmao ok virgin

[Anonymous No.11262786]

>>11257644
>How did /sci/ react to the news that the first genetically modified humans were born?
The dude was sloppy.

[Anonymous No.11262819]

>>11238232
Here's a better version of that meme

[Anonymous No.11263759]

>>11237023
Why limit yourself?

[Anonymous No.11265149]

[Anonymous No.11265155]

>>11265149
We must defeat the Anunakki first. The Gods and their slaves must be destroyed.

[Anonymous No.11265201]

>>11223919
I've accepted that this is likely the case. I've accepted that any life extension technology that exists or will exist in my lifetime will likely only prolong my existence for a decade or two at most. I accept that even if I do freeze myself in the hopes that I can be successfully resuscitated decades or centuries later, that the processes of death and vitrification will likely not be satisfactorily reversible and that I will never live again. I also accept that any sort of resuscitation opportunities granted by such a treatment will likely only effectively bring to life someone who identical or near identical to myself, but still is not me, and that I will still be dead regardless. On top of all of this I accept that even if these technologies to manage to extend my life significantly, that I will likely die from some accident or cataclysm. Even if I don't die from an accident or cataclysm and if I live longer than I could possibly imagine I accept that I will likely be driven mad by the spans of time that I will pass by, which will likely result in the total erasure of my ego and in my physical death by psychosis induced suicide. I also accept that even if I manage to avoid all of these fates, that the heat death of the universe looms and that it is unlikely that I will live to see even a third of the universe's lifespan before it becomes completely unsuitable for life and as such that my existence would become energetically unsustainable.

None of these realities change the fact that I'm going to do everything in my power to try to live forever. The flesh is weak against the gravest of time, but the struggle against it is noble and true regardless.

[Anonymous No.11265854]

>>11223913
>Is /sci/ a transhumanist board?
Irrelevant since there is no such thing and the likelihood of there ever being such a thing is practically zero.

Put the bong down.

[Anonymous No.11266225]

>>11265201
I share this sentiment.

[Anonymous No.11266399]

>>11228700
Or Chinese

[Always-Always/ECHS/KumKum/Soli(...) No.11266412]

>>11223913
Yes. It's the board for humans that want to not be human anymore.

Basically, for suicidal intellects.

I grow and graft mine from when the sun rises until my sleep cycle returns.

I am that which burns the memory of others, he which reminded you to love self from head to toe.

I am that which once was called ego.

[Always-Always/ECHS/KumKum/Soli(...) No.11266503]

>>>/b/817400678

[Anonymous No.11267611]

Last year 2019 Bump

[Anonymous No.11267651]

>>11262154
Countless psychological studies have shown differences between the sexes.
Countless neurological studies have shown anatomical differences.
And you can walk into any LGBT group and directly ask any tranny the differences in feeling between testerone and estrogen.
The male brain cannot cope with the female body and vice-versa.
You'll Ed Gein yourself if you alter the body too much.

[Anonymous No.11267865]

>>11223919
god is philosophically and logically inevitable, so I prefer to place my bet on wether or not it has given us immortal souls instead of bullshit cope about how "if I kill myself but a copy of me lives im stil alive !1!!"

[Anonymous No.11268443]

>>11236748
Cochler implant, also some experimental nightmare devices for quads, and also some experimental nightmare robot eyes we've been harming people with since the 90s

[Anonymous No.11269093]

>>11265201
manchild lol

[Anonymous No.11269201]

>>11269093
What's even the point of this reply?