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11202065 No.11202065 [Reply] [Original]

Everything is subjective, and there is 0% chance of you proving anything about reality. You are the only thing that exists, ever have existed, and will ever exist. The universe is literally you

>> No.11202075

People who believe in the scientific method made every single one of the hundreds of advanced systems used to convey your retarded ideas from your mind to the world. If electricity "can't be proved", you can't post. The fact I'm reading your post objectively proves electricity exists.

>> No.11202077

>>11202065
Keep your gay philosophy shit out of /sci/.

>> No.11202110

>>11202065
>there is 0% chance of you proving anything about reality.

You are a Holocaust Denier and you can be arrested in many countries for that.

>> No.11202119

>>11202075
90 iq detected, you literally can't prove that anything, including this post, is a hallucination

>> No.11202120

>>11202065
What is there to assume that reality doesn't exist outside of your head? What knowledge can you gain beyond the initial assumptions? Sure, science has made assumptions about reality, but these assumptions come from a practical need to learn more about what happens outside of someone's head.

Deny that reality doesn't exist all you want, but it's not going to save you from a pride of lions bearing down on you, nor will it help determine when's the best time to plant crops so you won't starve.

>> No.11202123

>>11202120
>Deny that reality DOES exist
Correction.

>> No.11202124

>>11202119
Feel free to continue living your life believing nothing can be proved. I'll continue living my life believing that scientific analysis can usefully describe most systems, because this has been demonstrated countless times.

>> No.11202130

>>11202124
Scientific analysis can't answer the simplest possible questions, like why we are here and what happens after death, and what caused the big bang. You're only impressing yourself with your posts, I'm fully rationally and scientifically minded, perhaps more than you even. Unlike you though, I acknowledge the validity of the subjective argument

>> No.11202134

>>11202130
How many questions does solipsism answer? By definition, none. Therefore, scientific analysis is infinitely more useful. If you have a system that produces more answers, present it.

>> No.11202137

>>11202134
Why does an idea have to answer anything? Please explain this attitude

>> No.11202145

>>11202137
Answers are useful. Useful things have higher utility than useless things. Solipsism is a useless idea that seeks to overturn useful ideas.

>> No.11202152

>>11202145
Ok, I can play word games too. Solipsism is a useful idea because it helps you get over the fear and anxiety of physical death

>> No.11202160

>>11202152
>solipsism is a useful idea
It isn't, we just went over this

>because it helps you
Only if you choose to follow it, which inherently requires rejecting more useful concepts

>get over the fear and anxiety of physical death
so does religion, and we've long since moved past the need for religion to answer questions

protip: you don't remember and didn't experience anything for the billions of years before your birth, you don't remember and won't experience anything for the billions of years after your death

>> No.11202161

>>11202152
How does it do that? How do you know what happens after death under this philosophy? What can be derived from this about death, even though the philosophy claims that death isn't real? How can you prove to others what you know? How can you prove to yourself beyond doubt of what you know?

>> No.11202163

>>11202161
You don't, but you can see it as not real in the same way reality is not real. Listen, I'm not saying this is a perfect philosophy, only that 1) it makes sense and 2) you can't disprove it logically.

Which makes it an interesting philosophical nugget and as a bonus challenges a range of ideas we take for granted

>> No.11202179

>>11202163
>you can't disprove logically something which takes as an axiom that you can't disprove it
wow what a useful nugget

>> No.11202187

>>11202179
Oh, so same as materialism? I don't want to arge with brainlets, please be more intelligent

>> No.11202198

>>11202065
i believe that you're a gay tranny nigger who suck and sit on dick OP

prove me wrong lolz you can't

>> No.11202203

>>11202198
Sure but you're just a manifestation of my own imagination

>> No.11202205

>>11202130
there is no answer to why we are here, meaning is a concept invented by us, it does not exist in nature, we can give meaning to things and if we want, we can also give meaning to that question
death is just your cellular machinery failing and knowing that you, your thoughts and memories, are collections of electrical impulses in the brain that will stop, you will simply cease to exist, pure nothingness is my guess
i will agree that the universe is literally me, but i'd say it is everyone too, and i find introspection very meaningful
the universe manifests as reality which somehow conforms, mostly, to a system we invented, and the ways it doesn't conform are interesting; through math we can see beyond the universe, we can look up to infinity, from where the universe is is currently falling

>> No.11202210

>>11202187
I don't want to argue with someone who doesn't believe electricity exists over an electronic communication network, but you keep at it. What separates you from a flat earther?

>> No.11202212

>>11202203
>pretend to be a philosophical genius
>logical conclusion indistinguishable from untreated schizophrenia

>>11202210
flat earthers accept the earth exists lmao

>> No.11202215

>>11202210
Electricity still exists to a solipsist, the difference is merely in the origin of the phenomena. Empiricism claims they are external while solipsism claims they are internal. Funny thing is, solipsism is intuitivelly correct.

Here's something for you to consider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

The above is fully scientific and you still can't disprove it. Why is that?

>> No.11202220

>>11202212
Thin line between madness and genius my friend

>> No.11202232

>>11202215
Because it's inherently unfalsifiable? It's literally just the existentialist version of Russel's Teapot, "dude what if I'm a teapot" edition. No, we can't disprove everything is a massive hallucination and you're actually a cloud of intergalactic gas. But we have no reason to believe that, it doesn't answer any questions, it's untestable, and it's not useful to describe anything. Sure, you could be a Boltzmann brain. Allah could smite us all, Unicorns could appear from the ether, and the interior of the Earth could be filled with primordial teapots. But we have no reason to believe any of these are true, no way to test them, and they aren't useful. Solipsism is just another religion disguised as critical thought.

>> No.11202240

>>11202232
>Because it's inherently unfalsifiable?
And empiricism isn't?

>Solipsism is just another religion disguised as critical thought.
No, because there's no dogma in it. It just states an idea, that's all it does. It's also possible to understand solipsism at a deep level while still not being a solipsist.

>> No.11202254

Even if everything outside of our heads is just hallucinations, it's probably better to just roll with it. You know you can't change the way the hallucination works, so why fight against it.

>> No.11202256

>>11202240
Empiricism can be demonstrated. For example, let us claim that "electrons" flow along metal wires more readily than they flow along plastic. Empiricism would have us perform experiments to verify this, and would produce a useful result. Solipsism would do LSD in a corner and talk about simulation theory. LSD, synthesised by the way, using empirical methods.

>> No.11202257

>>11202256
Empiricism breaks down at a simple notion of a singularity. It can't be demonstrated unless you have the full picture, which you don't.

>> No.11202263

>>11202256
Describe how solipsism can produce a useful or meaningful result when it's inherently meaningless, then.

>> No.11202295

>>11202119
regardless of whether or not your experiences are a hallucination, priorities within the hallucination exist. there is a reward function of serotonin and dopamine that result from certain actions. the active model of the scientific method is more practical for achieving that reward function than the passive model of of solipsism. therefore, even from an entirely self centered viewpoint, the scientific method is prefered, even if just for the acknowledgment of all that is "truly" observable, our nature

pls respond

>> No.11202315

>>11202295
So you trust chemicals to tell you they are chemicals

>> No.11202330

>>11202315
The chemicals act in a consistent manner to convey information about an outside world that can be interacted with, and which also acts in a measurable and consistent manner

If we're all in a simulation or whatever, that's great, we should still learn about the simulation through empirical methods

If we're all hallucinations in a Boltzmann brain, sure, that's great, let's use empirical methods to learn more about the internal rules of the hallucination

Solipsism can change the context, but that context is always best explored empirically

>> No.11202355

>>11202065
I like to take this a step further and believe that I do not exist and nothing exists. I imagine I exist because there is infinity chances for me to think that I think, even though, I don't because I am not.

Is there a name for this?

>> No.11202358

>>11202355
schizophrenia

>> No.11202367

>>11202330
>The chemicals act in a consistent manner
Yeah, so they tell you

>> No.11202370

>>11202065
>Source: Trust me

>> No.11202385

>>11202367
>dude how can we be real if our eyes aren't real
blindly rejecting everything as "dude chemicals lmao" is literally retarded, like we built an entire fucking civilization on what those chemicals have told us, we can fly through the air faster than sound, we can walk on the moon, we can communicate around the world at the speed of light, all of these are only possible because the chemicals are a consistently accurate representation of the world around us, which is both measurable and consistent

if the chemicals are such unreliable narrators how the fuck did we build airplanes?

>> No.11202392

>>11202124
Augustine had a great rebuttal to skepticism and approached it with pure rationalism
Anyway, a solipsism is nonsense. Knowledge requires relation and relation to self requires an exterior to self, therefore proving there is a world beyond the mind.

>> No.11202396

>>11202295
While this is fair, and even as someone who doesnt deny material reality, the fact remains that utility does not demonstrate proof.

>> No.11202399

>>11202358
Can this be a philosophy?

>> No.11202400

>>11202134
Utility does not demonstrate truth. If solispsm is true, there are no morr questions answer, thus negating the argument from utility altogether

>> No.11202403

>>11202396
>the fact remains that utility does not demonstrate proof.


Who cares?

>> No.11202404

>>11202385
>we built an entire fucking civilization on what those chemicals have told us
Circular reasoning. The chemicals didnt tell us anything. The soul did

>> No.11202406

>>11202396
>>11202400
see
>>11202330
Whether a world beyond your mind exists or not is irrelevant to the fact that empiricism is the best way to learn about what you can observe. So solipsism falls into the same category as simulation theory and Russel's teapot as "curious, but untestable".

It doesn't matter if solipsism is true or not. You are observing a world, and that world is best described empirically.

>>11202404
Prove a soul exists.

>> No.11202407

>>11202403
>Who cares?
People who care about Truth. Which is why science is useless in that pursuit

>> No.11202411

>>11202407
The closest thing that we can ever have to the truth is consistent and measurable interactions that behave in a predictable and well defined manner. There is no metaphysical "Grand Truth of the Universe". It's all just quantum waves interacting in complex, but not unknowable, ways.

>> No.11202419

>>11202406
>empiricism is the best way to learn about what you can observe
Thats just a tautology. Empiricsm is defined as finding information through sensual means, so i'm not really sure what your point is.
>prove a soul exists
Plato, Augustine, and Descartes already did.
>>11202411
Everything in this post is false. I have 100% knowledge that I exist through purely rational means.

>> No.11202427

>>11202419
I'll keep using the model of the universe that enables you to spread philosophical white noise all over a science board, you keep using models developed from Christian theology in the medieval era.

>> No.11202444

>>11202427
That addresses nothing I said but okay

>> No.11202460

>>11202385
It's only consistent because you perceive it as such. Drink 3 liters of vodka and quickly the world becomes very inconsistent. We built airplanes we can use only when sober. Our perception directly dictates what the world is at that time

>> No.11202466

>>11202065
*shoots you*
subjectify that bitch

>> No.11202467

>>11202444
because nothing you say has any utility

>> No.11202472

>>11202466
Under solipsism, I shot myself so it makes no difference

>> No.11202479

>>11202472
>go fuck yourself
>Under solipsism, I fuck myself so it makes no difference
top kek

>> No.11202480

>>11202065
Are you 13?

>> No.11202482

>>11202480
Solipsism only really makes sense when you're IQ is 135 or above desu

Can't blame you for not understanding

>> No.11202490

>>11202482
>Dude really smart people think they’re the only thing in the world
>No I don’t have a source
>Why would I even say this if I think I’m the only one who exists? Dunno that’s totally not a contradiction that suggests I’m lying about even being a solipsist

>> No.11202491

>>11202482
Is 150 above 135?

>> No.11202506

>>11202482
>desu
What did you call me?

>> No.11202585 [DELETED] 

>>11202119
>there is 0% chance of you proving anything about reality.
Pretty much correct, but you immediately go to your own axiomatic belief
>You are the only thing that exists, ever have existed, and will ever exist
You can only prove that you yourself exists, yes, but this assertion that if something cannot be proven, then it is false is nothing short of foolishness.

>> No.11202594

>>11202065
>>11202119
>there is 0% chance of you proving anything about reality.
Pretty much correct, but you immediately go to your own axiomatic belief
>You are the only thing that exists, ever have existed, and will ever exist
You can only prove that you yourself exists, yes, but this assertion that if something cannot be proven, then it is false is unjustified.

>> No.11202609

>>11202065
There is no "I" either. The ego does not exist. The self does not exist. No one exists. Nothing exists. Not existence or nonexistence.

>> No.11202618

>>11202467
>empiricsm has utility
>empiricism can be justified only by rationalism
>therefore rationalism is more utile than empiricsm
Kek

>> No.11202633

>>11202618
>empiricism can be justified only by rationalism

Nope. Empiricism is justified by its utility, which you can only learn exists through observation.
Rationalism literally doesn’t exist because every iota of knowledge originates from observing.

>> No.11202638

>>11202633
I never said it was justified by its utility because utility alone can never justify anything. A Good is purely metaphysical and requires rationalist means to define.
>unironic blank slate theorist
Lmaoing @ your life right now

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>>11202065
Why do you post this on a forum if noone but you exists?

>> No.11202663

>>11202460
So it's consistent in being inconsistent? Lmao, you're proving his point.

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>>11202065
>You are the only thing that exists, ever have existed, and will ever exist. The universe is literally you

Prove it.

I might not be able to prove that anything besides myself exists, but that doesn't mean it doesn't. All that says is that I am limited in what I am able to prove, but that limitation is not itself a proof of what actually does exists or not.

>> No.11202710

>>11202065
[math]
\begin{verbatim}
I can write code in /sci/, get on my level, faggots.
god dammit im fucking great.
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[/math]

>> No.11202714

>>11202710
[math]i \hspace{2mm} hate \hspace{2mm} niggers[/math]

>> No.11202810

>>11202638
>I never said it was justified by its utility because utility alone can never justify anything

Utility justifies anything

>> No.11202851

>>11202810
Prove it empirically

>> No.11202859

>>11202851
I feel it to be true, so it is.
That’s how justification works.

>> No.11202875

>>11202859
>That’s how justification works.

Prove it

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>>11202315
Obligatory

>> No.11204127

>>11202875
>Prove a tautology

Yikes

>> No.11204349

>>11202065
>You are the only thing that exists,
What do you mean by 'you'?
'You' is a presupposition itself. Only thoughts exist.

>> No.11204364

Reality is an LSD trip that never ends

>> No.11204367

Why is this thread here?

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>>11204127
>thats a tautology

>> No.11205197

>>11202396
actually, yes it does. "Truth" is just a designation we infeer upon information we deem important. Same with "real" or "reality", its just the part of our experience we deem important. "important" here refeers to utility, or morals more generally.

>> No.11205330

SOLIPSISM = HOLOCAUST DENIAL

>> No.11205340

>>11202065
>>>/x/

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>>11202065
>Everything is subjective.
You can't even deduce whether the mentioned statement is objective or subjective, brainlet.

>> No.11205461

>>11202065
Maybe, but what if I'm not even conscious? Who is the universe then?

>> No.11205468

>>11205461
Questioning consciousness requires consciousness, thus proving that you possess it

>> No.11205472

>>11205330
Hey, stop trying to sell me solipsism as something good.

>> No.11205579

>>11205197
This is an exceedingly retarded statement

>> No.11205589

>>11205468
I'm just a spreadsheet full of rules, Theseus.

>> No.11205602

>>11205589
And you're self aware, therefore conscious

>> No.11205625

>>11205602
I can't prove I'm self aware, therefore I must not be

>> No.11205734

>>11205625
Just by asking if youre self aware proves that you're self aware. Are you new to this or just pretending to be retarded?

>> No.11206028

>>11202355
You are right. The self does not exist. We do not exist. Consciousness does not exist. Existence does not exist. Nonexistence does not exist. Can't think of a word for it. A bit of open individualism, ego death, and dissociation. It's hard to name things most people haven't realized yet, but they will as we evolve.

>> No.11206031 [DELETED] 

>>11202065

you are a dumb asshole, and so is everyone on this board

>> No.11206035

>>11206028
I've always been deeply bothered by the fact that I exist...or that anything exists at all. So I hope you're right.

>> No.11206057

>>11206028
>mfw open individualism is starting to catch on
>mfw the term immediately goes into the hands of brainlets

This is why we can't have nice things

>> No.11206059

>>11202355
>Is there a name for this?
Buddhism

>> No.11206065

The self repeats over and over again.

>> No.11206180

>>11206065
No it doesn't because the self does not exist.

>> No.11206181

>>11202065
ok retard

>> No.11206408

>>11206181
Ok zoomer

>> No.11206411

>>11202110
lol, true

>> No.11206416

>>11206028
Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one.
>>11206057
>catch on.
Some people think for themselves. If you are borrowing ideas, I'm not sure who the brainlet is.
>>11206059
I need to check this out. Do you know where to start?

>> No.11206933

>>11202152
No, you have'nt overcomed something you've can not even understand.Your idea behind no meaning, falls flat, even to empricial evidence.why do we live? To prolong life,and why do we do it?.To achieve the principal of happyness,with this simple conclusion, all otheranswers are simply corolarries.

>> No.11206945

>>11202187
>same as materialism
Both the former and idealism act behind the same principal, a nuisance assumption.One that matter is prime over mind, and the other vice versa.Such is that goingin to tackling this question at all is almost of a useless end and character.Now you understand , at least in some sort of form, that YOU are real, would'nt that in it of itself already imply a material world even if its not ours.You negate empirical material evidence ,whilst at the same time seek it in an altern more "trurthfull" form.Even and EVEN, if this world is fake, if we discovered the real world, we can always construct and start over again if neccesary.So in retrospect, what do we get about the existence question? That if the world is real or not is not the question of importance.Its wheter we are willing to keep living, and take the consequences of our actions in the respected plane

>> No.11207069

>>11202065
Not science or math

>> No.11207109

>>11205472
kek

>> No.11207181

>>11202075
Not a solipsist schizo but this is retarded . What you are doing appealing to the consequences of believing in the scientific method rather then actually arguing for it . You see the issue ?

>> No.11207209

>>11206416
>Do you know where to start?
The fire sermon I guess

>> No.11207233

>>11202065
solipsism is retarded

>> No.11208100

>>11207233
Brainlet

>> No.11208152

>>11204119
/thread

>> No.11209022

>>11202065
Listen OP we all know you can't get a girlfriend and have been rejected 9001 times but that doesn't mean you get to take it out on us here on /sci/, okay?

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>>11202355
>>11206028
>>11206416
>We do not exist even though we are having a conversation that would otherwise prove that we all exist.

The Nihilists has gone full retard mode