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When you apply to a data science jobs, they give you a programming challenge, a phone screen, another phone screen, then a "take-home challenge" where you clean a dataset and make predictions and observations. It takes hours of work. And 90% of the time, the candidate doesn't get a call back.
Data Science is the biggest ripoff in the fucking world.

>> No.11116716

>>11116709
What do you mean ripoff? When a career is being heavily advertised, it is also being implicitly being advertised to you that it is being advertised to everyone else, so expect great competition. Or what? Do you need a bigger dataset to figure that one out?

>> No.11116762

>>11116709
>hours of work
dis nigga don't even know about basic feature engineering

Start off with a basic ass pipeline bro, then some basic ass seaborn plots, get some insight with EDA that way and then go back and fine tune your code for more efficient ways of showing the relationships you found with the first EDA. This should take about an hour, tops.

>> No.11117030

>>11116709
Lol that’s just on the easier end of most PhD CS interviews
Stop complaining, you’ve never had to do proofs on the board and be sociable at the same tie.

>> No.11118056

>>11116762
t. never done a take-home dataset challenge

>> No.11118065
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>>11116709
Pro-tip. Just use the internet to locate the address of the interviewer's home residence and go by and take a picture using said phone, and insert it in the take-home-challenge instead of actually doing it.

>> No.11118067

>>11118065
kek

>> No.11118081

>>11118065
Whoahh based

>> No.11118087

>>11116709
It's not just Data Science that has requires jumping through hoops to get a job

>> No.11118091

>>11116709
I keep telling the autists here to stop posting about it so it doesn't get memed to death but every fucking week there's another thread. Shit sucks. All you idiots are doing with all these threads is an advertising job you should be getting paid to do but are inexplicably doing for free. And it's even worse than that because you're actually driving your own labor market value down by inflating the number of recent college grad candidates reading your retarded threads and thinking it'll be great for them to throw their own applications in.
I really wish this meme job never existed. Would have been a lot happier staying at my old job title instead of getting reclassed as this nonsense fad.
If you still have the choice just be a regular computer programmer. Or a regular statistician. Whichever your degree is closest to. Don't ruin it even more than it already is.

>> No.11118132

>>11118065
based

>> No.11118444

>>11118056
Well, at least I'm the one with a job in data science, sooo...

>> No.11118448

>>11118091
Is this like the anki shilling but less pathetic because you’re actually serious?

>> No.11118574

Big data.

>> No.11118594

Big big data.

>> No.11118629

Biiig data.

>> No.11118703

>>11118574
>>11118594
>>11118629
I got some big data for you

>*unzips pants*

>> No.11119090

>>11118703
www.reddit.com if you want to make inappropriate comments.

>> No.11119768

>>11119090
I really, really, really like this link.

>> No.11119778

just get a phd bro its easy

>> No.11119782

>>11116709
No they don't. They wanted me so much I even got interviewed twice. And the only programming challenge I got was a full stack design for an application.

>> No.11119785

wtf i was thinking of joining data science ;_;
it's not surprising though, anything hyped will get tons of idiots rushing in...
what i really like hearing about are those whole-day programming challenges where most people supposedly run out of time or give up

>> No.11120004

>>11116709
it should be illegal to give you unpaid test work. anything past an hour should be considered billable hours. this whole 8 hours of personality tests and screenings is Bull

>> No.11120278

>>11116709
I worked at a social games company as a data scientist
it sounds awesome until you realize you're a fucking nazi and the longer you work at the job the more nazi you become

>> No.11120853

>>11116709

Common programming job. Company did a phone interview, IQ test, personality test, at home programming task, in house IQ test, three person interview and then NO call back!!

>> No.11120867

>>11120004
>illegal
Why do they need to make it illegal when you can simply not participate?

>> No.11120884

>>11116709
>software engineering
>do several hours of programming competition tier problems that require knowledge of algorithms that you will never ever need for the codemonkey job

>> No.11120889

>>11120867
>nah free market fixes everything tard
grow up. there has never in history been a turely free market and the reason is there are few firms and many applicants which crabs in a bucket each other and you need a representative government to set the rules of the game. now fuck off kid, don't @ at me, you are going to have a miserable life till you wise up.

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>>11116709
>fail a data science interview
>wow, data science must suck!!

>> No.11120945

>>11120895
The midwit reaction.

>> No.11120963

@11120889
Why not just... not participate?

>> No.11121045

I've helped interview a couple of candidates for a data science position in a biotech setting and it was honestly kind of depressing. Not because the applicants were bad- they both just got their PhD and were capable of doing the job- but because the position is essentially to repeat the same statistical analysis over the course of an impending medical diagnostic clinical trial ad nauseum until it's done. The existing team refuses to do it

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>>11121045
And all for like, maybe 50-60k a year. The actual conversation concerning two PhD applicants was they were "too curious" and would grow bored with the position (read: they would apply for better internal positions at the earliest opportunity). So now it looks like they'll hire a contractor (and pay around 200/hr) just because they don't want to be bothered to train a person to do a single class of work and risk them burning out early

>> No.11122765

>>11121060
>The actual conversation concerning two PhD applicants was they were "too curious" and would grow bored with the position (read: they would apply for better internal positions at the earliest opportunity)
This pisses me off. "PhDs are too smart/curious/qualified, they're going to jump ship immediately if we hire them." Do these people know how many of those 'better' jobs there actually are? High-paid jobs that satisfy their supposed intellectual curiousity? There are very few of them. Sure, maybe they'll apply but what are the chances they'll actually be able to leave for them?

>> No.11124489

Give me a data science challenge i can solve by programming.

>> No.11124746

>>11121045
I'll take it!

>> No.11124908

Why do 4chan incels talk themselves out of of every good opportunity? I work as a data scientist, the interview was easy, the pay is great, and the job is a lot of fun. What's wrong with you people? Is it a case of sour grapes?

>> No.11124911

>>11124908
The same reason Travis Bickle in taxi driver works the worst shift and goes to the worst neighbourhoods. They want to get fucked up to justify feeling resentful

>> No.11124914

>>11116709
Because you are supposed to also propose possible measurement errors, inadequacies in dataset, errors, predictions, prediction errors and causalities of possible errors instead of driving elevator to 500th floor in 420floor building, because every stop it gets upper.