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Why haven't scientist found out how to cure obesity yet?

>> No.11109922

>>11109915
They have, just eat less.

>> No.11109924

Diet and exercise

>> No.11109930 [DELETED] 

>>11109922
>>11109924
I don't think you are taking my plea seriously? Any scientists here?

>> No.11109935

>>11109922
>>11109924
These literally do not work.

>> No.11109948

>>11109935
t. immobile sack of lard

>> No.11109969

Everything that combats obesity boils down to eating less. It really is that simple.

The real problem is the mental aspect of it all.

>> No.11109977

>>11109915
It's called caloric balance

>> No.11109981

>>11109935
>people don't use them
>therefor they do not work
FAT MENTALITY

>> No.11109993

>>11109935
>its impossible to starve to death

>> No.11109996

>>11109915
>Why haven't scientist found out how to cure obesity yet?
They have. Simply eat normally, and move slightly from time to time. Even just walking to work and back is enough to be slim. You simply need to stop stuffing your maw with lard every waking second of every day, it's actually really easy.

>> No.11109997

>>11109915
Stop eating like a pig.

>> No.11109998
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>>11109993
lol fucking srsly man holy shit OBESE HOLOCAUST WHEN?????

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>>11109981
olololololololoololollo
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE DON'T MAKE ME WORK FOR MY PLACE ON EARTH

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>>11109935
A Scottish man water fasted for 382 days. His doctors gave him a thorough exam and blood workup and wrote up a case study after he came off his fast. He lost an average of 2700kcal/day, there was no wasting of muscle tissue, no neurological damage, no vitamin deficiencies, no ill effects at all. A follow up years later showed he had kept the weight off.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/

>> No.11110022

>>11109935
It does, your body burns fat if you eat less. It's very simple.

>> No.11110025

>>11110017
Did he only drink water for 382 days? Without eating anything? Or did he only eat without drinking anything? I'm confused.

>> No.11110029

>>11109915
Amphetamines & ephedrine are pretty good appetite suppressants. Intermittent fasting, high-fat diets and caffeine also help but not as much

High-intensity cardio training (HIIT) burns calories quite well too which can give you a few hundred kcal headroom daily (and also improve your fitness & health significantly)

It’s very important to track precisely what you eat while dieting because otherwise you will overeat without realising. You almost certainly eat significantly more than you think in kcal terms. It’s also important to stay on a strict maintenance diet for a year or more after reaching your goal to get used to it.

Another factor to consider is the reason for your food addiction. Often people stave off boredom or stress by eating. Consider replacing food with recreational drugs in the short term - like cocaine, mdma & the stimulants I mentioned, but not weed obviously and avoid opioids, benzos, alcohol & nicotine since you have addictive tendencies. Look at treatment options for anxiety/depression or radical solutions such as moving, travel, volunteering, psychedelics, NDEs, etc in the long-term.

>> No.11110031

>>11110022
Fat people believe if they stop following a reduced calorie diet, start eating way too many calories again, and end up not losing weight, then this means there was a problem with the diet.

>> No.11110032

>>11110025
What do you think genius?

>> No.11110034

>>11109935
>[math]\mathrm{C_6H_{12}O_6}_{\rm (s)} \,+\, 6\,\mathrm{O_2}_{\rm (g)} \,\longrightarrow\, 6\,\mathrm{H_2O}_{\rm (g)} \,+\, 6\,\mathrm{CO_2}_{\rm (g)}[/math]
>[math]M\left( \mathrm{CO_2} \right) \;\approx\; 44.009 \;\mathrm{g \,\cdot\, mol^{-1}} \;>\; 31.999 \;\mathrm{g \,\cdot\, mol^{-1}} \;\approx\; M \left( \mathrm O_2 \right)[/math]
That's pretty much all you need to prove they do.

>> No.11110036

>>11110017
>A Scottish man water fasted for 382 days
Fake

>> No.11110038

>>11110025
Only drank water. The doctor gave him some electrolytes just in case but he really only needed the water because he was obese.

>> No.11110041

>>11110031
lol gotta point the finger and express discontent at something when your too ashamed of your own pathetic lack of willpower.

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>>11110036
Wikipedia might be more your speed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri%27s_fast

>> No.11110044

>>11110036
It's not fake. I already linked the study for it. Here's a Snopes article also confirming it's real if that makes you feel better:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/survive-without-eating-382-days/

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>>11110032
I'm just really struggling to wrap my mind around it man holy fucking shit this is spectacular. I've always wondered if obese people could outlast the general rule of 1 month without food=death, maybe sooner. This is fucking blowing my mind /b/ro

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>>11110038
my curiosity and awe of reality is sufficiently satisfied today. anon fucking delivars. thanks /b/ros

>> No.11110050

>>11110045
>if obese people could outlast the general rule of 1 month without food=death
It's closer to 3 months for thin to ideal weight people. And much longer than 3 months for the obese. NASA has been actively looking into using obese astronauts for that specific reason (very long spaceflights without needing to feed them).

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>>11110050
mother fucking survival book lied to me god damnit. survival is supposed to be in 3's. 3 minutes without air, 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food. fucking pricks man lol why is disinformation so common holy fuck the growing pains of learning and understanding fucking good shit

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>>11109935
>t.

>> No.11110057

>>11110054
Are you stupid or something?
What do you think fat even is?
What do bears live off when they hibernate for months at a time?

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>>11110055
lolololooololl gud shyt

>> No.11110063

>>11109915

Liposuction.

>> No.11110066

>>11110057
>What do you think fat even is?
something my body doesn't store on behalf of anxiety/mania/psychosis. i don't know if i'd make it longer than 2 weeks. I am truly ignorant here.

>> No.11110080

>>11110017
That guy took multivitamins. You will literally die if you don't take any vitamins and minerals (those are available in the water).

>> No.11110081

>>11109915

it's called sport, anon

>> No.11110085

>>11110054
>>11110050
3 seconds without blood (carotid artery wound)
3 minutes without air (underwater and struggling)
3 hours without shelter (naked in summer at night outdoors without being a fatty)
3 days without water (in heat and humidity)
3 weeks without food (without vitamins or being a fatty)
3 months without 4channel (not being a turbo normie)
3 years without social interaction (deserted island)
3 decades without having children (being an incel)

Obviously there's a range, but if you are a fit person then this will mostly apply to you. If you want to get better in any particular thing then you may need to fatten up, increase your lung capacity, make an imaginary friend, become a vampire, and/or whatever you want to focus on. The Rule of 3 is just a general guideline that tries to inform you that shit happens and can fuck you up very quickly if you are not properly prepared.

>> No.11110090

>>11110054
3/3/3 is a decent rough approximation for someone of average health, its not disinformation.

>> No.11110097

>>11110085
>3 decades without having children (being an incel)
Youre telling me I have 2 years to get my life in order enough to responsibly have kids or I am rip? gg no re

>> No.11110103

>>11110097
Yes, of you don't then you need to KYS for failing at something your 1,000s of ancestors were able to do. If you have food and shelter then you should have children the instant you get out of high school. Everything else is a concerted & coordinated effort to distract you from doing that one monumentally important thing.

>> No.11110108

>>11110080
Which vitamin specifically do you think a lack of will kill you that quickly?

>> No.11110112

>>11110080
Just because the doctor gave him vitamins doesn't mean his life depended on them.

>> No.11110116

>>11110097
Yes, you will literally drop dead and become a lich.

>> No.11110121

>>11110108
>>11110112
I exaggerated a bit. It probably won't kill you right away, but it will fuck up your health pretty badly.
You need vitamin C to produce colagen, and you need colagen so your body stays put. It would be a disaster to spend a whole year not taking any vitamin C, and that's just the consequencens of not taking just one of all the vitamins you need.

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>>11110103
Humans are trash though
>>11110116
good, good

>> No.11110164

>>11110017
>>11110025
>>11110036
>>11110038
To be clear, he lost a whopping 125kg during that time, and the physician supplied mineral nutrients (vitamins, electrolytes) were critical to the success of his fast. Fat doesn't store many vitamins, and if you just drank water with no salt for long enough, you'd go hypotonic.
He also only pooped like once a month. Almost all of that weight was breathed out as CO2.

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>>11110161
>Humans are trash though
then kys goy

>> No.11110274

Fuck I hate fat people. All they do is make excuses for their sorry state.

>> No.11110380

>>11110055
WTF is a "cunny thread"?

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>>11109915
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/BD4oExxQguTgpESdm/the-unfinished-mystery-of-the-shangri-la-diet

>> No.11112169

>>11109915
They have, but Jews won't lets us use eugenics.

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11112292

stop eating you fat bitch

>> No.11112398

>>11110022
Burning fat inhibits metabolic function.

>> No.11112427

>>11109915
Obesity is really a mental illness, and mental illnesses are difficult to treat.

>> No.11112448

>>11109915
>Find a cure for a self inflicted condition
Suicide.

I'll take my research grant now.

>> No.11112449

>>11109969
Not always.
Eating below a certain amount is counter productive. It's eating an appropriate diet with physical exercise as needed to burn off any excess.

>> No.11112458

>>11112292
>tiny twigman is proud
lmao

>> No.11112612

>>11110017
>water fasted
>Starting in June 1965, Angus Barbieri (1939 – 7 September 1990) fasted for 382 days. He lived on tea, coffee, soda water and vitamins
stupid lying frogposter

>> No.11112640

>>11109915
To some extent, it's for the same reason that they haven't cured hangovers.
Obesity is part of a constellation of medical problems that come from poor nutrition. A pill that sucked all of the blubber from your ass would still leave you with clogged arteries and a fatty liver. The wonder drug might even accelerate those problems if it fucks with your body's fat storage mechanisms.
There's a market for cosmetic fixes, but a real medical cure for obesity would be like curing cancer; there are a lot of different things to cure and a lot of side effects to manage.

>> No.11112700

>>11110017
I'd love to do that but I'm afraid it would fuck up my epilepsy

>> No.11112854

>>11110055
based fatass, fighting to keep the boards degenerate-free

>> No.11113335

>>11109915
>Why haven't scientist found out how to cure obesity yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKs0oEIVOck

>> No.11113450

>>11112612
Fuck off, autist. It was still a water fast. Non-caloric fluids were allowed ad libitum. And vitamin deficiencies weren't going to kill him that quickly. Vitamins were used because they don't have calories and it'd be better for his health with them than without.
The point was his calorie intake.

>> No.11113468

>>11109915
They have... burn more calories than you eat fatty.

>> No.11113475

>>11113468
You silly bean! Law of conservation of mass doesn't apply to fat people. Didn't they teach you that in highschool?

>> No.11113486

>>11110164
>He also only pooped like once a month. Almost all of that weight was breathed out as CO2.
No fat people defecate out their fat stores you absolute retard. You defecate the remaining parts of food your GI tract didn't make use of. When fat people lose weight it's because they're using fat stores for energy, not because they're shitting it out or breathing it out. It wouldn't become a fat store in the first place if it were still composed of dietary fiber or something that you would shit out.

>> No.11113498

>>11109915
many ways
1. self-discipline
2. kill yourself
both are honorable solutions

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>>11109935
>it's a "fat fucks try to dismantle thermodynamics with their hippoesque mental gymnastics" episode

>>11110054
Your regular <20% bodyfat person might actually die in 3 weeks without food, though.
Absolute units are the apex forms of existence.

>> No.11113682

>>11110108
B12

>> No.11113691

>>11113486
You do breath it out though. Where do you think that carbon from the fat goes.

>> No.11113782

>>11113486
You're the absolute retard. Explain where the carbon and hydrogen goes when the high energy hydrocarbon fat chains are broken down into low energy CO2 and H2O.
Hint: You breathe it out.

>> No.11113786

>>11109915
>Why haven't scientist found out how to cure obesity yet?

The Nazis found the cure during WW2.
They had weight loss camps all over the place in Europe. Apparently eating less and less over a long time seems to do the trick. Bit of hard labor didn't hurt either.
So basically eat much less, do hard physical work = cure for obesity.

>> No.11113799

The real question you`re asking is - Why haven't scientists invented a magic potion that rids me of my obesity and lets me eat and drink anything I want in large amounts without becoming obese again.

>> No.11113743

>tfw skinny
>tfw can go a day without eating anything and feel OK as long as I drink plenty of water

Sometimes I wonder how does the obesity vice feel like

>> No.11114441

>>11109915
they have, it's called methamphetamine