Time space is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11044602]

Time is a quantity unrestrained from gravity. It is merely a sci fi trope. A digital clock at point A in the universe will share the same time with time passed as one at point B many lightyears away.

[Anonymous No.11044609]

Stfu boomer, read a fucking book

[Anonymous No.11044611]

>>11044602
That has been proven to be false.

[Anonymous No.11044614]

>>11044609
Boomers invented the hypothesis you fucking chronogravity cunt.

[Anonymous No.11044615]

>>11044614
No they didn't, the greatest generation did

[Anonymous No.11044618]

>>11044602
Wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele%E2%80%93Keating_experiment

[Anonymous No.11044620]

>>11044611
Proven how? By a bunch of nerds sucking eachothers dicks believing their tests are the ultimate final result? Its a measure of extreme magnitude to correctly verify. When they finally put one digital clock at point A and one at point B I will be proven correct. Until then it is all speculation.

[Anonymous No.11044630]

>>11044620
If you can't believe your instrumentation then you can't believe anything. All experimental results are the sum of replication and trust in the instruments. You might as well say all experimental results can't be trusted. Ultimately it's up to you. Do you want to believe in nothing? Nobody will stop you.

[Anonymous No.11044638]

>>11044618
I'm aware of that sham. Atomic clocks in that day and age would still need be susceptible to differing air pressure circumstance and thay would affect the accuracy of the clocks. Other variables such as ambient temperature as well as vibration would be factors to consider.

[Anonymous No.11044640]

>>11044602
There is no "present moment." It stems from the illusion of self. It's easier if you view the universe as a solid in pic related, as the time dimension is difficult to grasp mentally. We are not on the leading edge of time. The film exists and we are viewing the current scene. But even that sounds like the false Cartesian theater, there is no one actually viewing it. Just an experience.

[Anonymous No.11044641]

>>11044638
So reproducible experiments do not convince you.
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.11044646]

>>11044602
>>11044620
>>11044638
"I'm right and everyone else is wrong, and no amount of evidence will change my mind"

[Anonymous No.11044651]

>>11044638
Special containers protected the clocks from external influences such as vibrations, magnetic fields, or temperature variations. The experiment has been repeated many times with ever more accurate technology and relativity has been verified every time.

And every other type of experiment has also verified it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound%E2%80%93Rebka_experiment

https://www.nist.gov/publications/relativity-and-optical-clocks

[Anonymous No.11044658]

>>11044630
No. The sky is blue. The grass is green. I will not bend to the will of plutocratic science herd thought though. This is why most of the world believe the climate is warming abnormally when there have been warm and even cold periods in the past. No scientists now can irrefutably say we should be at a specific temperature range when all previous temperature ranges in previous warm periods never matched in rate to begin. It is purely speculation and circle jerking for profession advancement for being good dogs obeying agenda think tank culture.

[Anonymous No.11044666]

>>11044658
A FREE MAN ON THE LAND!
A FREE MAN ON THE LAND!

[Anonymous No.11044689]

>>11044651
Correlation does not equal causation. The Pound Rebka experiments simply showed that the rays gained energy but there is no true determining factor to say it was because of relativity. Energy waves obviously will be subject to the effect of a gravitational field but that does not equal to time itself. Analog instruments will all be subject to gravity and other factors in tests similar to all those mentioned. Real time does not change at gravity's will, only time as it is observed and measured by us will.

[Anonymous No.11044693]

>>11044658
>This is why most of the world believe the climate is warming abnormally when there have been warm and even cold periods in the past.
What does one have to do with the other? In the past 3 million years the climate has cycled between glacial and interglacial periods, caused by cycles in Earth's orbital eccentricity. The temperature starts out cold, then quickly warms as the ice sheets melt, then slowly cools back into cold. We had the warming period 10,000 years ago, which means now we should be slowly cooling over the next tens of thousands of years. But instead we are warming an order of magnitude faster than interglacial warming. So please explain what is not abnormal about this?

>No scientists now can irrefutably say we should be at a specific temperature range when all previous temperature ranges in previous warm periods never matched in rate to begin.
What does the range of temperature have to do with the rate? You're not making any sense. The climate has cycled in the same range for 3 million years, until now.

[Anonymous No.11044694]

>>11044658
why are you on this board? you have to go back

[Anonymous No.11044709]

>>11044689
>The Pound Rebka experiments simply showed that the rays gained energy but there is no true determining factor to say it was because of relativity.
There is no causation to be proved. Relativity says that clocks run at different rates at different places in a gravitational field and that's what all of these experiments show. They directly contradict the claim in the OP that clocks share the same time.

[Anonymous No.11044730]

>>11044693
You managed to pull the one chart that is the most exagerrated of all lol. There are other charts that argue abnormal warming is real that dont go that far.
That is always the parroted go to crux of warming debaters, the rate. That still does not have any weight because there is no way to tell what rate we "should" be at the same way as temperatire range! Rates varied in the Roman warm period as well as the medieval period. If the chart produced is correct then surely we should at least be in the 150 f area right now shouldnt we? How would we be at a similar preindustrial rate on or below par with the roman period then if that chart were to be true? Its not! Its bullshit. Ice cores have shown us this for years. I rest my case. I know you'll keep believing the hype for now but at least I forced you to think about it. Facts are facts.

[Anonymous No.11044737]

>>11044602
time is bullshit in physics congratulations for just figuring it out.

the universe itself doesnt gives a single fuck about time

[Anonymous No.11044746]

>>11044737
>the universe itself doesnt gives a single fuck about time
Pretty interesting how pretty much all physical laws depend on time then.

[Anonymous No.11044751]

>>11044730
>You managed to pull the one chart that is the most exagerrated of all lol.
How is it exaggerated?

>That still does not have any weight because there is no way to tell what rate we "should" be at the same way as temperatire range!
How about the rate and range that doesn't cause severe negative consequences?

>Rates varied in the Roman warm period as well as the medieval period.
Barely noticeable compared to current global warming. Try again.

>If the chart produced is correct then surely we should at least be in the 150 f area right now shouldnt we?
Where does the chart say that? Are you having trouble reading a simple graph?

>How would we be at a similar preindustrial rate on or below par with the roman period then if that chart were to be true?
We're not.

>Ice cores have shown us this for years.
Please show me ice cores showing global temperature change even close to what we're experiencing now.

All of your claims are bullshit. You lose.

[Anonymous No.11044767]

>>11044709
Well that's the debate. Relativity says that. As stated previously, energy waves would be at the whim of a gravity field but that in no way deems actual time would also be. The instruments and objects used in observance would be but not time itself. "Spacetime" is not real time, it is only an observable extra way of measuring gravity and its effects on objects. Attributing effects to real time is only self deceit.

[Anonymous No.11044777]

In 1884, meridian time personnel met
in Washington to change Earth time.
First words said was that only 1 day
could be used on Earth to not change
the 1 day marshmallow. So they applied the 1
day and ignored the other 3 days.
The marshmallow time was wrong then and it
proved wrong today. This a major lie
has so much boring feed from it's wrong.
No man on Earth has no belly-button,
it proves every believer on Earth a liar.

Children will be blessed for
Kissing Of Educated Adults
Who Ignore 4 Simultaneous
Days Same Earth Rotation.
Practicing Boring ONEness -
Upon Earth Of Quadrants.
Boring Adult Crime VS Youth.
Supports Lie Of Integration.
1 Educated Are Most Dumb.
Not 1 Human Except Dead 1.
Man Is Paired, 2 Half 4 Self.
1 of God Is Only 1/4 Of God.
Marshmallow A Lie & Word Is Lies.
Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.
God Is Born Of A Mother –
She Left Belly B. Signature.
Every Priest Has Ma Sign
But Lies To Honor Unicorns.
Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.

Your dirty lying teachers
use only the midnight to
midnight 1 day (ignoring
3 other days) Time to not
foul (already wrong) marshmallow
time. Lie that corrupts earth
you educated brilliant fools.

GoBelly-Button Logic Works.

When Do Teenagers Die?
Adults Eat Teenagers Alive,
No Record Of Their Death.
Father Son Image, Not Gods.
Every Man Born Of Woman.


Belly-Button Is the Signature
Of Your Personal Creator -
I Believe Her Name Mama.

Pastor Told His Flock That
God Created All Of Them -
Truth Was That They All had
Mama Made Belly Buttons,
Church Was Full Of Liars.

[Anonymous No.11044784]

>>11044767
>As stated previously, energy waves would be at the whim of a gravity field but that in no way deems actual time would also be.
Actual time is measured by a clock, the frequency of a photon is a clock, so gravitational redshift is equivalent to time dilation. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Try learning what relativity is before arguing against it.

>The instruments and objects used in observance would be but not time itself.
Then what is time itself? Time is simply what a clock measures.

[Anonymous No.11044785]

>>11044658
You believe what you see, you believe what you feel, but you don't believe in tested results because you were not there to witness the test? What would change your mind?

[Anonymous No.11044786]

>>11044602
Based. Don’t let they fool you with their bullshit and I’m saying this unironically. See the state of our affairs, the economy, the society, religion, relationships etc. and ask yourself why would you believe that scientists are doing their job properly when nothing works anymore.

[Anonymous No.11044796]

>>11044737
No, this is what ive been saying for this whole time, we shouldnt care about planetary time, because this is all a fake concept, the only time keeping models we should have are ones that measure time relative to creation of the universe and various processes of the human being

[Anonymous No.11044799]

No, the location of events impacts time dilation. Read about lorentz transforms and maybe kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11044808]

>>11044777
Checked and timecubepilled

[Anonymous No.11044816]

>>11044799
No, I put on Thanos Gauntlet

[Anonymous No.11044837]

>>11044751
Typical climate cringe cult faggot. At least now everyone can see that I won for not being such a typical climate crisis cunt. This peer reviewed studys chart shows what other non agenda backed think tank studies show. Google historical warm periods. It was actually warmer or as warm in the Roman period before industrialization now. Go look for ice core information yourself you cunt. Nothing your faggot ass is saying is backed up by honest data. I oblige any other climate alarmists to look up ice core information. Its how we know about past warm periods to begin with! One more time - there is no precise way to tell what a normal rate of warming is compared to previous warm periods nor is the rate we are at now of any abnormal significance compared to preindustrial patterns. Anyone claiming so is lying. Common sense people. The evidence shows it was warmer in the past. Is there a precise way to compare warming rate to past centuries' warming periods? No. So why is it always brought up? Does it even matter considering it would have to be mostly speculation to begin with? NO! That should really do it but I know koolaid drinkers gonna koolaid drink. The real facts speak for themselves. Climate change worrying is bullshit. And dont forget all green initiatives are profit oriented and have always been. Again, use a little common sense.

[Anonymous No.11044880]

>>11044796
there is no creation either you moron. time doesnt exist.

space is infinite. mass is chaotic, by pure luck and in the span of eons matter makes something solid weighty and relevant and everything close starts orbiting around it.

dont confuse motion with time.

universe = infinite
motion = always been there dependent on weight, gravity, magnetism, electricity, charge, etc
why we here pure fucking luck after eons of irrelevant lifeless time. enjoy your moment of infinity. to the universe itself it doesn't even matter thousands of life forms like us possibly extinct already in those spans of infinity as if they never happened, forgotten forever.

[Anonymous No.11044881]

>>11044786
Exactlly.
>>Special health report this morning, coffee cures aids!!
Two years later
>>We're sorry to report the loss of our colleague, a maverick advocate for unprotected sex in the age of coffee curing aids. Apparently only decaf contained the life saving compound.
One year later
>>WE REPEAT, NO COFFEE CURES AIDS. Back to Brice with the traffic report.

You get the idea.

[Anonymous No.11044887]

>>11044746
they dont. even einstein said this look it up nigga.
time is to measure, thats it. not out there in the physical.

p.s. hawkings is a retard and fails to define what time is
einstein > hawking

[Anonymous No.11044890]

>>11044837
Let's start with your graph. It claims to show warming in the Southern Hemisphere but its data is from one location in Chile. So right off the bat, the person who made this graph is lying.

>It was actually warmer or as warm in the Roman period before industrialization now.
Wrong. https://climatefeedback.org/claimreview/research-does-not-show-a-medieval-warm-period-warmer-than-the-present-day/

>Go look for ice core information yourself you cunt.
I have, it doesn't show what you claim it shows. All you're going to do is present temperature data from one location and misrepresent it as global temperature. You're so predictable.

>One more time - there is no precise way to tell what a normal rate of warming is compared to previous warm periods nor is the rate we are at now of any abnormal significance compared to preindustrial patterns.
I just showed you the way, you can look at the range and the rates of global temperature over the last 3 million years and see that there is nothing normal about current warming. You didn't respond to this, just claimed it's "exaggerated" without explaining how.

>The evidence shows it was warmer in the past.
Repeating a lie over and over again doesn't make the scientific evidence that it's wrong go away.

>Is there a precise way to compare warming rate to past centuries' warming periods?
Yes, it's called paeloclimate reconstruction.

Why are you making all these bullshit claims when you've already been shown to have no idea what you're talking about? Get off the science board.

[Anonymous No.11044893]

>>11044887
Where did Einstein say that?

[Anonymous No.11044898]

>>11044887
>even einstein said this
No he didnt.
>time is to measure
Meaningless nonsense

[Anonymous No.11044907]

>>11044880
>space is infinite
Prove it

>mass is chaotic
Prove it

>motion = always been there dependent on weight, gravity, magnetism, electricity, charge, etc
No shit Sherlock... That's Newton's First and Second laws.

>>11044893
>Where did Einstein say that?
In a book OP pulled from his ass

[Anonymous No.11044911]

>>11044893
welcome to eternal present thats all there is out in the physical.

[Anonymous No.11044934]

>>11044907
>prove space is infinite
draw a circle on a paper and try to define the borders of space. you will find that the universe doesn't gives a fuck about what limits you mentally set on it it keeps extending infinitely. out there is space is the same, if you were to grow urself like antman some how you would always fit inside, it has no end.
similarly downwards too by shrinking, its infinite. no limit.

>chaotic mass
its not i fucked up with the wording but there is no god moving anything. its gravity, weight, electricity the reasons why there is motion. these properties of mass are always been there.

>No shit Sherlock... That's Newton's First and Second laws.

yea. good that you recognize this. Early science > modern scfi shit

everything has a relation to infinity, too bad a life form experience on it is a limited one. we fighting die and eventually go extinct and all that was there gets fucking forgotten as if it never happened.

[Anonymous No.11044940]

>>11044911
That doesn't mean what you think it means. Einstein was referring there to the concept of simultaneity: simultaneity is relative because time is not invariant under Lorentz transformations. He was saying just that, not that time doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.11044945]

>>11044934
sorry for the autocorrector btw. im not american im glad im not.

[Anonymous No.11044955]

>>11044934
>draw a circle on a paper and try to define the borders of space. you will find that the universe doesn't gives a fuck about what limits you mentally set on it it keeps extending infinitely. out there is space is the same, if you were to grow urself like antman some how you would always fit inside, it has no end.
>similarly downwards too by shrinking, its infinite. no limit.
That's just stupid and chaotic babbling with no meaning. On the contrary, real physicists have concepts like the Hubble horizon to define the border of the universe.

>yea. good that you recognize this. Early science > modern scfi shit
You know that Newton Laws can be obtained as the low velocity limits of special relativity, don't you?
Also, that statement is so vague that is also true in special relativity.

>everything has a relation to infinity
That's too vacuous that has no meaning

[Anonymous No.11044965]

>>11044955
there is no horizon. time extends out that "horizon" as well. you believe to much scientism theories.

its impossible not to have space outside something, whatever container it is. whatever borders you make on it, outside that there is more space this goes infinitely. and no it doesnt "expand" like from an origin to an end ala "le big bang xddd" space by logic has always been there and infinite cannot be defined.
the container of everything is unironically absolutely eternal. even to contain an explosion the size of a big bang, space can contain infinity on itself.

[Anonymous No.11044966]

>>11044965
time = space*
but yea add motion to that too. there is motion everywhere as well.

[Anonymous No.11044983]

>>11044965
>there is no horizon
You aren't even able to define horizon in GR.

>its impossible not to have space outside something
Somebody haven't study differential geometry... Or even simple geometry.

>whatever borders you make on it, outside that there is more space this goes infinitely
Somebody isn't able to imagine a compact metric space

>space by logic has always been there and infinite cannot be defined.
And thinks that the universe cares about his """"logic""""... Pure distilled naïvety....

>the container of everything is unironically absolutely eternal
The metaphysical shit goes in the trash, please

>even to contain an explosion the size of a big bang
He still thinks that the big bang was an actual explosion... So sweet...

[Anonymous No.11045017]

>>11044890
So what flavor of koolaid are you drinking?

I'm not gonna go back and forth with you. The tail end of my last post carries the hard facts in a nut shell. Especially about green initiatives being mostly for profit and I'll add that they cause more pollution too. Most data refuting any contrary evidence against human caused global warming comes from groups profiting from the green agenda or linked to one. That alone should make anyone wary.
Cores from the north say it was warm also centuries ago. Pic provided.
Again, simply using common sense one could see no scientist no matter how skilled would be able to accurately determine what a proper warming rate should be now when comparing it to rates in warming periods of the past. There are too many variables in play. We can get alot of data now and it will still not be the complete story. Obviously less so for past periods. All our instruments can only do so much. Now with that in mind, the simple fact still remains that its foolish to think scientists can determine suitable rates for now when compared to centuries past. The data to compare is not there. They have no record of sun activity then and even if they did it would still be steeped heavily in estimated guess. Stop it. That's all there is to it. Trying to argue the contrary is just fantasy. There is no definitive method to accurately pinpoint a "correct" temperature rise rate. You don't need specialized education to know this. This is the most logically sound perspective to hold before even considering arguing historical climate patterns. Fact.

https://www.nbi.ku.dk/english/news/news13/greenland-ice-cores-reveal-warm-climate-of-the-past/

https://onenewsnow.com/science-tech/2019/08/03/former-noaa-scientist-from-climate-change-alarmist-to-denier

[Anonymous No.11045044]

>>11044983
you will get mad about this but its worth it lul

[Anonymous No.11045047]

[Anonymous No.11045052]

>>11044983
You sound like a pretentious cunt.
The indoctrination is real. That said, how is it you can't believe we don't live inside a fucking marble a la Men in Black lol. That is basically what you're saying you believe. You actually are the flipside to flatearthers. That's an accomplishment I gotta say. A neverending expanse is not metaphysical, what he said shouldn't be such a fringe concept to consider.

[Anonymous No.11045077]

>>11045052
>You sound like a pretentious cunt.
Says the one that said "I will not bend to the will of plutocratic science herd thought though", which is literally "everyone is wrong except me".

>The indoctrination is real.
"Wake up sheeeeeeps, I have the only truth. Follow me to the infinity of space"

>That said, how is it you can't believe we don't live inside a fucking marble a la Men in Black lol. That is basically what you're saying you believe.
I didn't say that I believe it (which proves that you have no idea of what the Hubble horizon is), but it seem that the mere idea of it makes you feel very uncomfortable.

>You actually are the flipside to flatearthers.
Says the one whose proof for the infinity of the universe is a virgin-chad meme... But, of course, that's the only proof you need

[Anonymous No.11045087]

>>11045052
he just bein a contrarian for the fucc of it its fine lol

mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although it may be transformed in space, the physics associated with it may be change its form. in other words the universe has no start nor end to it. life has ends tho i cry erytiem

[Anonymous No.11045092]

ITT retards and schizos sling shit at each other and pretend to know what they are talking about

[Anonymous No.11045093]

>>11045077
you so mad holy shit :^)

[Anonymous No.11045098]

>>11045087
>mass can neither be created nor destroyed
How do you explain photon-photon to electron-positron processes seen in accelerators then?

[Anonymous No.11045108]

>>11045077
btw the wigga u responding to aint who you think numbskull lolol it was me who posted the maymay i write i lowercase because i honestly dont give a fuck about proper uppercases and sometimes punctuation no more :^)

[Anonymous No.11045139]

>>11045093
>>11045108
I wasn't mad at the meme, but to "the meme as the sole answer to my rant". In fact, can you do another level by putting the second one in a computer and the lines escaping from it?

[Anonymous No.11045148]

>>11045139
no. you are supposed to not be lazy and use your imagination and picture the lines going out to irl and in a 3d 360° way as well.

i can only throw the info at ppl not help em stop bein lazy

[Anonymous No.11045151]

>>11045077
You need to work on your reading comprehension. Simply put, I'm not gonna automatically believe any scientific circles many a time influenced by money and shoulder rubbing for clout.

I did not say it was the only truth but seemingly more reasonable then a marble

Without cheating I'm gonna guess it's like that picture near the top of the thread. I saw that pawn Neil Degrasse Tyson talk about it I believe. At the farthest end it is cosmic radiation. Assuming I'm right about the reference, that still does not mean it all ends there.

Kek I didn't make that but it was funny. Not bad whoever posted it

[Anonymous No.11045152]

>>11045098
The mass is present in the two-photon system, despite not being present in the individual photons. Setting c=1, the two photons moving toward each other may have four-momenta of (E,E,0,0) and (E,-E,0,0) respectively (in the center of mass frame), E being the energy of the photon. The squared mass is the square of the first component minus the squares of the remaining components, which gives zero for each individual photon. Summing these vectors, however, gives (2E,0,0,0), and a squared mass of 4E^2, or a mass of 2E.

[Anonymous No.11045171]

>>11045151
even the marble shit is dumb homey look
space has no limits, its impossible

[Anonymous No.11045182]

>>11045171
Im not your "homey",, DAWG

[Anonymous No.11045199]

>>11045017
Your graph is made up, doesn't show global temperatures, and doesn't show present day temperatures. If it did you would immediately see modern warming is far outside natural variation.

https://books.google.com/books?id=DcLWBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA175&lpg=PA175&dq=daansgard+1984+avery&source=bl&ots=-mzDPQxdRG&sig=ACfU3U3Mfj2f5g80yW0CN7K2SJUfOwwOQw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjo9PTJ09PiAhVydt8KHQIIBnAQ6AEwAnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=daansgard%201984%20avery&f=false

>I'm not gonna go back and forth with you.
You mean you have no response to your bullshit claims getting debunked.

>Especially about green initiatives being mostly for profit
So profit is evil now? What are you some kind of socialist? Anyway, green initiatives are irrelevant to whether the problem exists and what actions can solve them. Try again.

>Most data refuting any contrary evidence against human caused global warming comes from groups profiting from the green agenda or linked to one.
Like what?

>Cores from the north say it was warm also centuries ago.
What is "it?" What is "warm?" Ice cores show the temperature in one specific place, not global temperatures. They also don't show current temperature since it takes a long time for the ice to form in the core and be measurable. So if you see a graph based on ice cores that claims to show current temperatures, it's probably fake, like the one you posted.

>Again, simply using common sense one could see no scientist no matter how skilled would be able to accurately determine what a proper warming rate should be now
Again, you're completely ignoring what I told you about the natural temperature cycle over the last 3 million years. Your "common sense" is empirically wrong.

>There are too many variables in play.
Only a few variables matter on the global scale.

>They have no record of sun activity
Wrong. https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2018/07/aa31892-17.pdf

If you want to ignore all evidence in favor of "common sense" then get off the board

[Anonymous No.11045205]

>>11045182

[Anonymous No.11045213]

>>11044602
That’s been proven wrong decades ago, sorry to tell you.

[Anonymous No.11045222]

>>11044602
Prove your claim

[Anonymous No.11045249]

>>11045222
imaginary shit isnt proven by the denier it has to be proven by the believers.
god, creation, destruction and time are constructs. cant be proven because they are not out there in the physical.

but i can prove you motion, gravity, magnetism, the conservation of mass, transformation.

[Anonymous No.11045260]

>>11045249
>imaginary shit isnt proven by the denier it has to be proven by the believers.

Correct, so prove your claim which is as follows:
“Time is a quantity unrestrained from gravity. It is merely a sci fi trope. A digital clock at point A in the universe will share the same time with time passed as one at point B many lightyears away.”

[Anonymous No.11045280]

>>11045260
im not the op im a physical existing time denier, shit is pure thought

[Anonymous No.11045284]

>>11045280
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.11045289]

>>11045284
shit isnt proven by the denier
consider urself pwned
buh bye pussy

[Anonymous No.11045306]

>>11045289
Weak bait.

[Anonymous No.11045312]

>>11045306
prove it

[Anonymous No.11045315]

>>11045312
Even weaker bait.

[Anonymous No.11045323]

>>11045151
>I did not say it was the only truth but seemingly more reasonable then a marble
You still haven't give any reason for that.

>>11045171
Why? You have not given any reason either. Is the marble universe frightening you both?

[Anonymous No.11045335]

>>11044602
>Time is a quantity

Of what?

[Anonymous No.11045338]

>>11044638
go ahead and do your own experiment. You don’t even have to do it yourself just set one up theoretically and some rich freak will pay for it

[Anonymous No.11045347]

>>11045338
Is time a cesium atom? Cause that was the thing being measured in an atomic clock.

[Anonymous No.11045368]

>>11045347
Time is duration, you dense motherfucker

[Anonymous No.11045370]

>>11045347
No, what’s being measured is the time it takes for the Cesium atom to do something.

[Anonymous No.11045396]

>>11045347
If that's a strawman, it's the most retarded strawman I've ever seen. If it's a genuine answer, I pity the people that have to deal with you and your stupidity in real live.

[Anonymous No.11045469]

>>11045368
"Time is time"
Lol
>>11045370
So the standard of measure for time would be the cesium atom, which still doesn't explain how time is actally real or something that controls reality
>>11045396
"You're wrong and here's why" is what you you should have said and elaborated on instead of making a useless post.

[Anonymous No.11045478]

>>11045469
>So the standard of measure for time would be the cesium atom

No. It’s a duration of time we use for convenience, just like years and days. Whether or not time is quantized is unknown.

>which still doesn't explain how time is actally real or something that controls reality

Meaningless. You perceive time to progress and there’s no denying it, unless you’d like to argue you’re frozen and inactive, but in that case you wouldn’t be shitposting, so we’d all know that’s a facetious lie.

[Anonymous No.11045506]

>>11045469
>"You're wrong and here's why" is what you you should have said and elaborated on instead of making a useless post.
Why? You are not going to accept it anyway

[Anonymous No.11045525]

>>11044602
Your commonsense everyday intuitions are just a trope.

[Anonymous No.11045554]

>>11045478
>No. It’s a duration of time we use for convenience, just like years and days.

So it doesn't actually exist as something then.
>Whether or not time is quantized is unknown.

It has no quantity. It describes that which has actual quantity. Therefore it doesn't exist.

> No.It’s a duration of time we use for convenience, just like years and days. Whether or not time is quantized is unknown.
>Meaningless
Understanding reality is meaningless? I "perceive" the progress of what? How can I perceive that which has no quantity nor quality?

>>11045506
Way to waste yet another post.

[Anonymous No.11045558]

>>11045554
>i've never taken a physics class in my life, btw

[Anonymous No.11045574]

>>11045554
>So it doesn't actually exist as something then.

Wrong. Seconds exist as human measurements of duration, just as Celsius and Fahrenheit exist as measurements of temperature and inches exist as measurements of length.

>It has no quantity

Wrong.

>It describes that which has actual quantity.

Wrong.

>Therefore it doesn't exist.

Still wrong.

>Understanding reality is meaningless?

No, your retarded statement is meaningless.

>I "perceive" the progress of what?

TIME

>How can I perceive that which has no quantity nor quality?

Doesn’t matter, you perceive it. Stop shitposting and start working on your experiment to disprove time dilation.

[Anonymous No.11045692]

>>11045558
Yet another wasted post.
>>11045574
>Wrong. Seconds exist as human measurements of duration,

So the it's as real as a unicorn then, in that it doesn't actually exist.

>just as Celsius and Fahrenheit exist as measurements of temperature and inches exist as measurements of length.

Tempurature and length are qualities to be measurable. What quality does time have to be measured?


>Doesn’t matter, you perceive it.

Which doesn't support your argument that time exists you self contradicting brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11045703]

>>11045335
Based and Guts pilled

[Anonymous No.11045724]

>>11045692
Why bother posting if you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about? Do you admit to having no education?

[Anonymous No.11045733]

>>11044602

GPS sats have to take relativity and time dilatation into accoun or they dont work. Here's your proff

[Anonymous No.11045734]

>What is time
What you measure with a clock
>Time is a quantity unrestrained from gravity
Not according to experiment

[Anonymous No.11045741]

>>11045724
Have you ever heard of something called an argument?
Why bother asking about a persons credentials when the validity of their argument has literally nothing to do with their person?
You're a fucking fed trying to build a character profile or you're a brainlet who is incapable of grasping the most basic rules of logic.

[Anonymous No.11045747]

>>11045741
Your argument is based on nothing. You have no argument. You argue that time doesn't exist, yet it clearly does. Not only do all humans have an intuitive sense of the passage of time (they can directly feel time tick by without needing a watch), but physicists use time as a parameter all the time to usefully predict our reality. Time is a scalar parameter that always ticks forward in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics.
Time exists every bit as much as distance exists.
>You're a fucking fed
lmao fucking delusional

[Anonymous No.11045764]

>>11045747
Good luck with that line of reasoning faggot, so far you have offered exactly zero valid arguments that time exists.

[Anonymous No.11045771]

>>11045764
You might as well deny your eyeballs exist.

[Anonymous No.11045779]

>>11045764
>so far you have offered exactly zero valid arguments that time exists.
My arguments it exists are
>we directly observe it
>laws of physics (like those in thermodynamics, newton's laws, GR) depend on the existence of a parameter called time, and they have been verified to an extreme degree

[Anonymous No.11045786]

>>11045554
What is your opinion on language? Do you trust the words you use to have consistent meaning?(fuck, can I even use the word consistent with someone doesn't believe in time?)

[Anonymous No.11045791]

>>11045779
You're argument is circular and here's why.
>Time exists
>Let's call that parameter time
>That parameter yields useful measurements
>Therefore time exists

[Anonymous No.11045804]

>>11045791
It isn't circular.
>posit that a parameter called time exists
>use this parameter to predict reality with a high degree of accuracy
>this implies that parameter almost certainly exists
This isn't even considering the fact that we can measure time. You cannot measure that which does not exist.

[Anonymous No.11045807]

>>11045771
His eyeballs are empirically something that exists at least. They don't define themselves either so they don't just exist because of circular reasoning.

Your argument is nothing but "muh feelings" and believing that measuring something makes it occur. Other way around buddy. Seconds, hours, days, months and years are all measurements based on something real (observable bodies in space interacting with one another). Your mistake is that you're misunderstanding the meaning of those measurements and classifying them as something that actally has bearing on what was being measured in the first place. Measurements are not:

Actual things in reality. Your meter stick is just a mass of whatever with marks on it.

A force. A clock ticking is not going to cause anything. It's not going to shoot lightning or cause a compass to point at it. It's not going to slow things down or speed things up. That's only observed in the interaction of REAL THINGS that exhibit QUALITIES.

Real. Because we literally made them up. They are ideas and recordings of what is real. Why do you think the standard of measure that is "time" has constantly changed?

[Anonymous No.11045808]

>>11045807
>A clock ticking is not going to cause anything
>ive never heard of the second law of thermodynamics lmao

[Anonymous No.11045813]

>>11045807
>His eyeballs are empirically something that exists at least.

So is time. QED
You’re arguing that something that obviously exists to everyone doesn’t exist, and as such can only be a troll or very mentally ill. I have no time for you.

[Anonymous No.11045823]

>>11045786
In about 500-1000 years no, it will have no consistent meaning whatsoever to the people translating it. Does anyone really understand any ancient language to the degree that they can understand the context of why it was spoken the way it was? Can you tranlate the feeling a word invokes?

The only thing that is consistant is the inconsistency of it all. That's why things appear to change but are inherently the same.

[Anonymous No.11045838]

>>11045823
And yet language exists.

[Anonymous No.11045844]

>>11045838
...as an idea.

[Anonymous No.11045849]

>>11045844
good thing ideas exist in the literal sense of the word
>>11045804
>time anon can't even respond to this

[Anonymous No.11046685]

>>11045807
>His eyeballs are empirically something that exists at least. They don't define themselves either so they don't just exist because of circular reasoning.
Your argument is also nothing more but "muh feelings". And I though I would never find an unironic use for this meme....

>A clock ticking [...] It's not going to shoot lightning or cause a compass to point at it. It's not going to slow things down or speed things up
Neither your eyes but you believe in them...

[Anonymous No.11046686]

>>11046685
hi AW
i havent finished the video btw but i worked on a ton more. go to sleep dude.
imma do it my style i will still give u credit cuz i dont wanna be a cunt if i ever finish that one in haitus.
hope u doin well dweeb

[Anonymous No.11046699]

>>11045804
You're fuckin' retarded dude. If your premise is also your conclusion, then your argument is circular. How can you be such a dense motherfucker?

[Anonymous No.11046985]

>>11046699
Ever heard of inductive reasoning?

[Anonymous No.11047006]

>>11046699
If you assume a premise and gather evidence that supports your assumption, you are being empirical. This is how all science works you absolute nigger.

[Anonymous No.11047052]

>>11044602
>>11044620
>>11044658
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.11047405]

>>11045849
Just like unicorns exist.

>>11046685
Whether or not people believe or feel them doesn't dictate if they exist is the difference. Same can't be said of time. If every human dropped dead today, their eyeballs will still be in their heads to rot and the idea of time will still remain just that. An unrealized unempirical measure of sometjing else. A privation with no substance. Actually it wouldn't even be that because there would be no human left to imagine it.

[Anonymous No.11047427]

>>11044651
>relativity has been verified every time.

The history of the search for "planet Vulcan" is interesting in this context.

The orbit of Mercury could not be described adequately by Newtonian gravity. When Uranus was discovered, somewhat similar problems arose with computing its orbit, and understanding those lead to the prediction of the planet Neptune, and where to look in the night sky to find it.

That success led astronomers to wonder if an undiscovered planet between Mercury and the Sun might explain Mercury's orbital oddities, and a generation of scientists engaged in a search for the planet, generally called "Vulcan." It was "sighted" several time, but its discovery was never really confirmed. Eventually the puzzle was just marked "Fuck if I know,"pending further discoveries.

Then Einstein and his theory came along. One of the interesting consequences of Einstein's equations was that they turned out to predict the orbit of Mercury correctly. In fact, under Einstein's theory, there must NOT be a planet between Mercury and the Sun -- if there were, it would perturb Mercury's orbit away from what it is known to be, and what Einstein's theory predicts it would be.

[Anonymous No.11047437]

>>11044777
Time Cube muffuga, DO YOU SPEAK IT?????

[Anonymous No.11047447]

>>11044816
Get n my level.

[Anonymous No.11047452]

>>11044911

[Anonymous No.11047474]

>>11045764
Let's test whether time exists. Please post your response to this post at some point earlier in the thread.

[Anonymous No.11047486]

>>11047452
look it up then dont be lazy
einstein dong give 2 fucks bout time

[Anonymous No.11047595]

>>11047006
You want to talk about empirical? Show me one fucking lick of evidence for the existence of time.
You might think you have an empirical line of reasoning, but you've neglected to define time such that it exists. Time might be an effective way at describing, or rather symbolizing a property of something that does exist, but it does not, in and of itself, exist. What something does is not something. Nouns are not adjectives or verbs. Why do you insist that something exists when it can not be distinguished from the activities of things that do exist? Time is a fucking measurement you absolute mong!

[Anonymous No.11047609]

>>11047595
It’s sad that people are still biting this bait. No one actually thinks time isn’t real.

[Anonymous No.11047621]

>>11047609
I'm not saying time is not real, I'm saying it doesn't exist. Time correctly describes the motions of bodies because the property it symbolizes is roughly homogeneous or constant. Time, defined as a symbol, or as a property, is real. However, a property can not be said to exist. The color red does not exist, it is a measurement. I'm not going to say red isn't real. What don't you understand about this? It's a simple matter of proof by definition. Time is not a thing. It does not exist. Space does not exist. Distance does not exist. However, time, space, and distance are all realities we deal with every day. There is an important distinction to be made between that which is and that which isn't, and it's going right over your pointed head.

[Anonymous No.11047630]

>>11047621
>Red don’t real

The trolling is no obvious. No one actually thinks like this.

[Anonymous No.11047631]

>>11047595
>Show me one fucking lick of evidence for the existence of time
okay
*measures time*
*uses time to make useful and accurate predictions*

[Anonymous No.11047643]

>>11047631
They’re baiting no one wakes up and thinks “time doesn’t exist” because it very obviously does for thoughts to even happen.

[Anonymous No.11047648]

>>11047630
Fuck your mother.
>>11047631
No fuck you. Time is a measurement. You can't measure a measurement and proclaim that the measurement exists. You're being an asshole, now. You're not even trying to acknowledge my points, you're just ignoring everything I say and repeating the same circular argument.

[Anonymous No.11047654]

>>11047648
> Time is a measurement

Of what?
*psssst*
Of time.

[Anonymous No.11047661]

>>11047648
>measurement devices exist but what they measure doesn't
you don't exist sage

[Anonymous No.11047665]

>>11047648
>Time is a measurement
and you cannot measure that which does not exist. thank you for conceding the existence of time.

[Anonymous No.11047668]

>>11047654
You're literally agreeing with me that your argument is circular in every single post. God damn you are one dense son of a whore. I will never fucking stop faggot. I don't care if hurr nobody thinks like I do, I don't acknowledge others enough to care. If you can't properly define your terms, you obviously don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Time is a measure of local gravitational field intensity.
fucking reeeeeEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.11047669]

>>11047668
>Time is a measure of local gravitational field intensity.

Nope. Time is a separate thing from gravity, it’s just affected by it.

You’re so triggered that no one else is retarded like you, or maybe my troll hypothesis is correct and you’re disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.11047670]

>>11047661
False analogy,
fuck you nigger.

[Anonymous No.11047676]

time is a measurement of motions
and motion aint time motion needs electricity, magnetism, weight. gravity

motion is obvserbable. and all those other ones too but time isnt nobody can show you time just like nobody can show you god its better to not even bother with the imaginary. also time travelers will never happen for the same reason

[Anonymous No.11047679]

>>11047676
>but time isnt nobody can show you time

Watch a cup drop. Time shown.
I really have to wonder if this is trolling or you’re actually this dumb.

[Anonymous No.11047682]

>>11047670
>fuck you nigger
Well argued. I now see your point. Truly enlightening!

[Anonymous No.11047683]

Platonic Idealism is fucking cancer.

[Anonymous No.11047685]

>>11047682
You have to go back

[Anonymous No.11047693]

the other thing is the sense of "time" is existant in mind only.
if you got knocked the fuck out on a maniac asylum and woke up in that same room you wouldnt know how much motion has transpired therfore breaking that imaginary concept all together.

inside places with little motion and no outside light the mental
illusion of time usually gets forgotten

[Anonymous No.11047699]

>>11047679
thats motion not time. time aint physical

[Anonymous No.11047703]

>>11047699
explain how we can physically measure and quantify something that is not physical

[Anonymous No.11047704]

>>11047699
>thats motion not time.

Motion doesn’t exist without time. Without time, there’d be no motion and everything would be absolutely still. No events would ever occur.

[Anonymous No.11047709]

>>11047703
u dont need time in the formulas of physics to solve em idk if u knew but you can dispose of the t in all real physic equations
there isnt one were time is essential look it up i believe it was Einstein

[Anonymous No.11047711]

>>11047704
Prove it. Nothing in the entire universe is motionless. There is literally no example of such a thing as motionless. You are completely full of shit.

[Anonymous No.11047712]

>>11044602
sure a digital clock will, but take two atomic clocks and place them at different points in space, both will read differently, way past the current uncertainty present in current atomic clocks. this was observed in the twin flights experiment.

[Anonymous No.11047713]

>>11047709
lmao none of what you said is correct. it is impossible to model a dynamic system without time. einstein never said anything even similar to that.

[Anonymous No.11047715]

>>11047711
>prove it
motion = (change in location)/(change in time)
>Nothing in the entire universe is motionless
probably because time exists

[Anonymous No.11047717]

>>11047709
>le pendyoulum lookses same forwrdard und backenwerds

[Anonymous No.11047718]

>>11047704
You're like the faggot in Plato's Allegory of the Cave who tries to bite his friend when his friend is trying to unshackle him and show him reality. What you consider real is just a shadow in your dimly lit cave. You are the physical embodiment of that allegorical ignoramus.

[Anonymous No.11047720]

>>11047711
>Prove it. Nothing in the entire universe is motionless. There is literally no example of such a thing as motionless

Correct. Nothing is motionless.
Because time exists.

[Anonymous No.11047721]

>>11047712
*the difference is only present in points of differing gravity, and can only be observed when brought back together

[Anonymous No.11047723]

>>11047718
Cool. Maybe one day I’ll get a horrible neurodegenerative disease and my brain will develop huge holes in it, and then maybe I’ll be “enlightened” like you. Time don’t exist. Even though time not existing would make it impossible to type, breath, think, eat, or engage in basic biochemical processes.

[Anonymous No.11047724]

>>11047718
>dunning-kruger

[Anonymous No.11047732]

>>11047643
Time is not a force that causes things to happen

>>11047648
>>11047668
>>11047670
>>11047679
you need to calm down and just accept that /sci/ is full of people plagued with the mind virus that is circular reasoning. It's not logical and they insist that things can be defined with themselves and no matter how many times you point it out to them It's futule. You cannot argue logic where there is none to be had. All you can do is let them relax in the safety of theur own delusions and let themselves look retarded. Let them use circular reasoning to define time and leave it at that. All they've done is prove you right by leaving their own flawed definitions and explinations. They prove you right and the most hilarious part about it is that they'll never understand why or how.

[Anonymous No.11047734]

>>11047712
>>11044602
kek, just read the thread proper. you don't accept the twin flights experiment, or any experiment. you're just trolling.

[Anonymous No.11047735]

>>11047724
This is the exact same thing as saying "You're dumb." except you think it makes you sound smart, and therefore right. Who you are has nothing to do with the validity of your argument. Your failure to make a proper argument is only an ironic humiliation of your own self, you prick.

[Anonymous No.11047737]

>>11047703
You can't. You make it up as you go along.

[Anonymous No.11047747]

>>11047732
I am the archetype of the mentor, I derive immense satisfaction from the act of teaching others. I don't care about their smiling faces, or their appreciation. I feel it is a moral obligation that bullshit is called out when bullshit is present. I go to war every day with the forces of ignorance, if I believed this fight was an exercise in futility, I would truly have no hope.

[Anonymous No.11047771]

>>11047747
Welcome to the new world where "smart" means "i have and make more material possessions that you". How do you think all the morons on this board got this way? They went to go get taught what to think by the people with high paying jobs who did it before them. The same people who believed in this same bullshit who used their batshit insane descriptions of reality to bamboozle evetyone else into believing it. A ponzi sceme that convinces people who are not in on the sceme that they're the ones who are wrong for not being in said sceme. You cannot communicate logic where there is none. You litetally cannot argue with people who think that they dictate that there's no argument there to be had. Because it's a belief system really, no different than religion.

[Anonymous No.11047792]

>>11044602
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-precise-definition-of-time/answers/40677522

[Anonymous No.11047805]

>>11047747
autism

[Anonymous No.11047857]

>>11044602
Lmao so how do you explain that electromagnetic waves are waves in every frame of reference, when by Galilei's transformations they shouldn't be? GTFO

[Anonymous No.11047872]

>>11044620
This has been done retard. Clocks on satellites will run at different speeds due to gravitational effects. Here's the first thing that came up when I searched this.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/12/after-botched-launch-orbiting-atomic-clocks-confirm-einsteins-theory-relativity

[Anonymous No.11047883]

>>11047732
>Time is not a force that causes things to happen

Causes don’t exist at all without time.

[Anonymous No.11047887]

>>11047732
Time exists. Denying it does only makes you look retarded.

[Anonymous No.11047947]

>>11047883
Because you said so? Prove time exists first.

>no you prove it doesn't exist

Yeah tell me what empirical evidence I should use to prove something not empirical.

>here is thing, it is verified to be empirical
>thing is still here being empirical, now we'll just call observing it again something in and of itself anothing thing that's real.

No! It's still "thing". As far as we're concerened the only thing that happened is that the "thing" interacted with something dissimilar to itself, that being something else empirical. You can't just make shit up and call it real, it has to actually be real.

>>11047887
Why do people like you waste so many posts? It will never change the fact that this thread will be remade with another 300 replies.

[Anonymous No.11047951]

>>11047947
> Prove time exists first.

You observe a linear progression of states and positions of matter to other states and positions of matter. That’s time. You observe it. There’s no denying it, you silly troll.

> Yeah tell me what empirical evidence I should use to prove something not empirical.

Time is very much empirical. We see it every moment.

> No!

Yes.

:)

[Anonymous No.11047977]

>>11047951
What does a second look like? What qualities does time have to be "felt". You know how you feel hot and cold things? "Hot" and "cold" would be an example of a "property".

[Anonymous No.11048002]

>>11047883
why not there is motion, gravity, electricity, etc

[Anonymous No.11048005]

>>11047977
>Playing word games

Lol

[Anonymous No.11048007]

>>11047977
rofl

[Anonymous No.11048010]

>>11047977
seconds don't have the properties of length or temperature. One qualitative property of a second is that is a small duration in comparison to the life of a person. Multiple seconds passes as I typed this, and I did not even need to look at a clock to tell that because I have an intuitive sense of passage of time. Humans can perceive time innately, just like they perceive temperature or distance innately.

[Anonymous No.11048029]

im glad more people are becoming time atheists. time is gay

[Anonymous No.11048040]

>>11044602
based OP.

Clock A is quantum etangled with clock B. Clock B is sent into a black hole. From clock A's perspective clock B is destroyed and slowed to a virtual halt as it approaches the event horizon of the black hole a million times greater than our sun.
From clock B's perspective it passes through the black hole quick and easy.
So its dead and alive at the same time, and information cannot be lost and cloned, and quantum mechanics and GR are both wrong.

[Anonymous No.11048105]

>>11048005
Sure why not? The concept has no actual basis in reality. It's like playing word games with the word "unicorn".

>>11048010

>One qualitative property of a second is that is a small duration

Again you define it with itself. It is not a quality to begin with so it can't possibly be its own quality.

>Humans can perceive time innately, just like they perceive temperature or distance innately.
> humans perceive shadows innately, therefore they're real.

Even though they're illusions/effects of something else that is actally real, that being light and the real object that "causes" them to appear real.

Quality is measurable. No quality is not measurable. "To measure" is to compare, express, estimate, or apply a standard of measure to SOMETHING that is real and measurable. The "standard of measure" is what was made up...based hopefully on something at least real.

Time isn't even that. It's not based on anything real at all! There isn't a real thing in this universe that we took and applied the standard of measure called "time" to. We're just so ignorant that when we observed all these plethora of effects commit the same actions we reified the intervals of the actions "as something" or even in a more illogical case the cause of the action itself.
The rate of an action is not something and does not cause the rate of an action! It's illogical and why many people in this thread keep having to point out that its circular reasoning.

If that is truly the explination then the "thing" that defines "itself" would still BE "SOMETHING" and wouldn't waver itself to be defined by anything else. There would be no change it would just "be" and then there wouldn't be a need to measure jack shit.

[Anonymous No.11048107]

>>11048105
>Sure why not? The concept has no actual basis in reality.

Wrong. You know it exists, and you observe it just like everyone else. You’re just trolling.

[Anonymous No.11048111]

>>11048105
> humans perceive shadows innately, therefore they're real.

Shadows are real you mongoloid LMAO

[Anonymous No.11048163]

>>11048111
The lack of something is not real, it may be detectable but doesn't constitute a real thing.
Shadows are a reality, in that we experience them daily, but are not real by the strict meaning of the word when attributed to a phenomena.

[Anonymous No.11048166]

>>11048163
oh shit i think we just proved why there's something instead of nothing! it doesn't real!

[Anonymous No.11048235]

>>11048107
You think it exists because it's a popularized belief. You observe change and are reifying it as simething specific.

>>11048111
>less light is something different than light
>the absence of something is something

[Anonymous No.11048240]

>>11048163
>it may be detectable but doesn't constitute a real thing
this is impossible. only real things are detectable.

[Anonymous No.11048268]

>>11044602
GPS satellites literally have different clock speeds from earth and need software to adjsut the time difference so their results are accurate.

[Anonymous No.11048277]

>>11048163
>Meaningless semantics

Oh, that’s what your retarded argument boils down to. Definitions only you use.

[Anonymous No.11048397]

>>11048277
My argument boils down to a metaphysical worldview that is not stochastic, in which electromagnetic and gravitational waves traverse a physical medium that is not spacetime, in identity, but only vaguely in appearance.
Pretty much par for the course that you faggots would get upset about that.
We are one breath and one word.

[Anonymous No.11048533]

>>11047872
Real atomic clocks have mechanisms subject to wave forces.
Obviously what is meant is a simple standard basic ic digital clock. One at one point, one at another.

[Anonymous No.11048542]

>>11048533
Why is vibrating quartz more accurate than measuring atomic decay?

[Anonymous No.11048551]

>>11048533
why is vibrating quartz more accurate than atomic transitions?

[Anonymous No.11048617]

>>11047857
As I imagined, still no answer to this. That means you are a faggot and haven't got a clue about physics

[Anonymous No.11048628]

>>11048551
You're right and it probably isn't. I assume the thinking of a digital clock without quartz and just a programmed ic with instructions to count time was had in mind.

[Anonymous No.11048642]

>>11048617
Why the fuck do you think op would be on right now stupid faggot? They sure got you crying like a bitch.
>>yew dun kno nuffin about fizziks!!! Reeeeeee!!!

[Anonymous No.11048928]

>>11044602
Oh look everyone, we found the:
o Anti-vaxxer
o Flat-earther
o Moon landing conspiracist
o Orbital mind-control lasers conspiracist
o {insert brainletisms here, ad infinitum}

[Anonymous No.11049127]

>>11048268
>>11045733
Came to post this.
You're a retarded nigger, OP.

[Anonymous No.11049408]

>>11048928
The terrifying truth is that on reddit this would be the most upvoted comment in the thread, even though it contributes nothing of value to the discussion and doesn't even acknowledge the argument being discussed.

[Anonymous No.11049418]

>>11044602
>fag starts shit thread
>>11044618
>>11044651
>fag gets proven wrong
>>11044658
>fag changes topic to climate change to keep the (you)s flowing

Let this ass thread die

[Anonymous No.11049589]

>>11049127
I'm OP bitch. How the fuck are satellites going to adjust to "time dilation" if space time can't be controlled? What you are positing is that we can monitor, nevermind control, space time itself you retarded faggot piece of shit. Why don't we know how to time travel then? What those who make GPS sats function operate on is still an observation of gravity's effect on instruments. Having expertise in it's understanding does not demonstrate with all doubt aside that gravity goes hand in hand with real time itself. "Space time" as it is observed with instruments is not equal to real time. In the years spent roleplaying sci fi geniuses, a bunch of fags wasted their lives doing so. Let's consider this then bitches. If we were able to create crafts that can maneuver in "space time" (gravity fields), shielded from all effects, why would it make sense that the suggested space time laws still apply when we would be navigating through them? In such a scenario our technology would allow us to travel with instruments like say a watch, showing no abnormal incease or decrease in time becasue why, WE AREN'T DEALING WITH GRAVITY FIELDS ANYMORE. Real time is not "space time" faggots.

[Anonymous No.11049599]

>>11049418
>>sucks establishment science dick like a REAL fag
>>sucks it harder ignoring counterargument
>>shits on my cock acting like nobody has the right to make comparisons
Fuck off bitch. Let this thread die? A true man of science is never finished questioning

[Anonymous No.11049613]

>>11049408
In short, they're spouting unadulterated faggotry like a good establishment lapdog. I've got the remedy but I'll reply directly.

[Anonymous No.11049661]

>>11048928
>>there are many reports by nurses and parents that see negative side effects in children after modern vaccinations
>>kys stupid fag
>>a wide range of real discrepancies exists and are readily available to be studied by any non npc with their head out their ass
>>don't know about that exactly but similar technology does exist. https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/03/us-military-making-lasers-create-voices-out-thin-air/146824/
https://www.democraticfundamentalism.org/2005/psychotronics/government/1991militarysaudisilentsound.htm

[Anonymous No.11049667]

>>11049589
time doesnt exist and space exists and is infinite.
it doesnt matter. just use it to measure motion like everyone else.

stop being spergs about it

[Anonymous No.11049705]

>>11049667
>Space exists and is infinite
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW I MAY POSSIBLY BE WRONG!!!!!
You have to go back.

[Anonymous No.11049715]

>>11049589
>How the fuck are satellites going to adjust to "time dilation" if space time can't be controlled?
By adjusting the clock so that it always ticks slower and by providing incremental corrections from ground based monitoring stations.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5253894/

>What you are positing is that we can monitor, nevermind control, space time itself you retarded faggot piece of shit. Why don't we know how to time travel then?
You are retarded. Adjusting a clock is not adjusting time itself.

>Having expertise in it's understanding does not demonstrate with all doubt aside that gravity goes hand in hand with real time itself.
If every measurement and experiment indicates this, and no other theory fits the data better, than yes it does demonstrate that. What other method is there of determining empirical facts?

>"Space time" as it is observed with instruments is not equal to real time.
Do you have observed real time, without instruments? In your imagination?

>If we were able to create crafts that can maneuver in "space time" (gravity fields), shielded from all effects, why would it make sense that the suggested space time laws still apply when we would be navigating through them?
Because context matters. "Gravity makes things drop" is true in certain contexts. Planes and boats don't drop, but this doesn't affect the fact that gravity makes things drop.

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[Anonymous No.11050758]

>>11049589
I don't get it, why don't you just accept yourself and the fact that GR is too complicated for you to understand? That's not in a derogatory way, literally billions of people don't understand it either, why does GR make you so fucking angry? How many hours have you spent posting in this thread now, for what purpose?

[Anonymous No.11050863]

>>11044614
>taking credit for the greatest generations yeilds
Typical. Go have your 3rd heart attack already.

[Anonymous No.11050882]

>>11044614
typical boomer

[Anonymous No.11050987]

>shills have no arguments whatsoever
>desperately trying to derail and shut down the thread
This shit is too good to be true. It almost looks like OP is samefagging himself with obvious bait and strawmans.
Glow niggers are the one-trick pony of the internet.
>you're dumb lol this thread is retarded, science is settled. lol flat earther btfo stupid boomers.

[Anonymous No.11050994]

>>11044602
You aren't smart. You keep proving it over and over in this thread. You think you are smart. You are prob just a narcissistic fuckwad who never had his ass kicked. You have mastered nothing in life, least of all your mind and understanding of reality.

[Anonymous No.11051006]

>>11050994
Typical NPC response:
Completely ignore all arguments,
focus entirely on character assassination.
Repeat.

[Anonymous No.11051017]

>>11050758
Imagine actually believing general relativity is complicated. lmao

[Anonymous No.11051099]

>>11051006
>Completely ignore all arguments
But there are no arguments.

[Anonymous No.11051418]

im a super brainlet, but i never understood this meme, i mean isn't "time" just a measure of movement? whats the big deal, why do people talk about it like its even a thing?

[Anonymous No.11051564]

>>11044940
He also was a proponent of a block universe

[Anonymous No.11052440]

>>11051418
because they are retards who start thinking scifi shit like time travel is real