Why is climate change denial so prevalent in this site? It's always the same regurgitated anti-intellectual garbage from Amerimutts who come from /pol/ citing laughable fake articles and trying to make it all into a "globohomo" conspiracy.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:20:01 2019 No.10996922 [Reply] [Original]

Why is climate change denial so prevalent in this site? It's always the same regurgitated anti-intellectual garbage from Amerimutts who come from /pol/ citing laughable fake articles and trying to make it all into a "globohomo" conspiracy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:20:43 2019 No.10996925 >>10996922 because people on this site are idiots

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:21:05 2019 No.10996926 >>10996922 retards like you who cannot use the catalog to find relevant threads before posting are not helping.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:23:36 2019 No.10996933 >>10996926 I'm not gonna post in that other retarded shit thread.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:27:18 2019 No.10996945

>>10996922
We live in the age of misinformation, anon. Any low iq retard can browse google, watch their favorite political shows and then watch recommended videos from an algorithm that was made to tailor content to said user and then they say to themselves "oh what do you know, Trump and his billionaire oil baron buddies were right, global warming is fake, its a libtard conspiracy, the Arctic isnt melting, the sea levels aren rising, its all fake news, man Im so smart for being woke and aware of the libtard propaganda"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:31:53 2019 No.10996960 >>10996922 Ice age is abnormal climate anyway, so nothing wrong with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:32:04 2019 No.10996961 >>10996926 This is, obviously, a juvenile retaliatory thread. Shouldn't these kids be in school?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:34:26 2019 No.10996974 >>10996961 For the last time, /pol/ is not a valid source and neither is your favorite CC denier obscure scientist who published an article that isn't taken seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:34:45 2019 No.10996976 >>10996960 Two and a half million years is abnormal or just uncomfortable? And how convenient that we must raise taxes for any threat that isn't ideal climate. Wink wink.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:35:46 2019 No.10996980 >>10996961 >pol What's that?

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:36:24 2019 No.10996986

>>10996922
Because when it comes down to it, everyone who isn’t a legit climate scientist is required to push the “I believe” button on the subject. That in of itself isn’t such a big red flag but when you couple it with the fact that the only proposed solution is a tax with exceptionally vague accounting, the whole thing reeks of a scam.

The fact that proponents of AGW don’t realize how scammy it seems compounds the issue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:39:29 2019 No.10996995 >>10996980 It's the containment board. All the retards post there. >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:40:43 2019 No.10996998 >>10996974 How do you even know who's side I'm on bitch? I just stated the obvious and did not give an opinion about the subject. I want to help make the world a better place for our children.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:41:44 2019 No.10997003 >>10996995 I shall steer clear of it. Sounds bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:46:28 2019 No.10997022 >>10997003 It is bad. It's not even fun to shitpost there like it is on /b/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:49:09 2019 No.10997030 I blame the mouth breathers that frequent /pol/ There's also troll that just love to stir shit up

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:53:06 2019 No.10997048 >>10997030 Like OP?

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 14:57:01 2019 No.10997054

being a climate change hoaxer is the equivalent of saying 2 + 2 = fish and spamming your shitpost to everyone. Most of /sci/ would be fine with climate change hoaxers if only they actually understood what they were talking about rather than pull out articles and cherrypick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:03:36 2019 No.10997082 >>10996945 >Political interjections on a science board Oops! Consider rephrasing. You wouldn't want to become the thing you hate so much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:15:11 2019 No.10997105 >>10996945 Doesn't that work both ways?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:15:38 2019 No.10997107 >>10997082 I dont think the left are any better, only that the climate change retardation overwhelmingly comes from the right

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:18:46 2019 No.10997115 Remember when people thought the internet would be a good thing? Remember when people thought having access to all the data you could ever need would improve the world? What went so horribly wrong bros?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:19:24 2019 No.10997118 >>10996922 >climate change denial Nobody doubt climate change, mongrel. People doubt the significance of mans impact on it. Major difference. Why do you people tend to be borderline illiterate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:21:14 2019 No.10997125 >>10997115 And it just started

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:22:39 2019 No.10997130

>>10997118
>global warming is a hoax
>it's true but humans didn't cause it
>it's true, humans cause it but we can't do anything about it
>it's true humans cause it, we can do something about it but we shouldn't. It will be good for us.

you're two steps ahead, retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:23:08 2019 No.10997133 File: 939 KB, 964x1268, 1275554866322.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10996922 No one denies climate change. Some doubt human involvement and others doubt proclaimed correlations, i.e. that the scientific method was used correctly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:23:30 2019 No.10997134 >>10996922 Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:23:42 2019 No.10997135 >>10997130 i meant of course behind, not ahead

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:25:49 2019 No.10997145 >>10996922 >Why is climate change denial so prevalent in this site? A lot of people see it as ''rebellious''. They view scientists as the elite and they must always oppose them. That's pretty much it, pure contrarianism

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:27:00 2019 No.10997152
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>>10996922
Because even if man-made climate change wasn't such obvious bullshittery, it still wouldn't deserve the amount of panic it gets. Literally all you would have to do is move to a higher elevation to get away from rising sea levels and build a greenhouse which allows you to grow food at any climate. There you go, problem solved, enjoy the warm weather.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:27:58 2019 No.10997156

>>10997152
>Literally all you would have to do is move to a higher elevation to get away from rising sea levels and build a greenhouse which allows you to grow food at any climate. There you go, problem solved, enjoy the warm weather.
Holy shit you're right

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:32:45 2019 No.10997171 >>10997152 heavy kek

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:32:54 2019 No.10997173

>>10997130
Oh my climate change caused by man. What a coincidence that this new business model is giving birth to China's car manufacturing future and will allow them to dominate the market for decades to come. It also convenient results in very consistent car manufacturing growth rates for coming 50+ years, since old e-car tech will have to get replaced every 5 or so years since battery life it still shit. That will allow car manufacturers to redistribute RnD costs and make the consumer pay for it since they'll be forced to buy substandard products (combustions engine car ban in China already announced and they'll enforce it the second thier own industry can supply the necessary cars). Also very convenient 5 of the G8 dominate the car manufacturing market right now and the biggest consumer market has announced banning combustion engines in 2017. What a jolly load of coincidences mass media has been pushing global warming for the past year. Couldn't possibly imagine this development being economically driven. No no.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:34:28 2019 No.10997175

>>10997173
>What a coincidence blah blah blah
Capitalism is capitalism. Of course companies will try to do what they can for financial profit, even if the world is collapsing. None of that means that man made climate change is not real and not happening.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:37:23 2019 No.10997182 eh, i'd say at least 90% of it is just trolling, not sincere denialism

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:40:35 2019 No.10997190 >>10997173 >Oh my climate change caused by man. What a coincidence that literally stopped reading >>10997182 look here >>10997134

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:45:28 2019 No.10997200

>>10997190
>literally stopped reading
Good for you. Now continue to believe for science to be a democracy. This entire movement is sketchy as hell and there's a reason why some of its most famous figures were recently ridiculed by the Canadian highcourt for their inability to provide evidence to their claims. So many geopolitical development and economic turf wars are attached to it, fighting over a NWO, you have to be a drooling retard to think you're being told even half the truth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:45:33 2019 No.10997202 >>10997173 Yup. Most people are just stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:51:18 2019 No.10997214 >>10997182 >90% trolling More like 20%

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:51:50 2019 No.10997217 >>10997107 >Another political interjection Either your reading comprehension is at absolute zero, or you are just a bot.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:53:36 2019 No.10997221

>>10997217
He's right though. People who deny CC usually start spouting Alex Jones tier crap about a global conspiracy from elites. And while that may still be the case, it doesnt deny the fact that the global climate system is fucked and we will fuck ourselves sooner rather than later

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:57:24 2019 No.10997229 >>10997221 Take it to /pol/. I hope the door hits you in the face on the way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 15:58:32 2019 No.10997232 >>10997217 This is all pretty much politics. Most people don't want to shit up the environment. We just don't see why the freakout to raise tax and fuel industry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:03:03 2019 No.10997245 >>10997232 >Most people don't want to shit up the environment. We just don't see why the freakout to raise tax and fuel industry you are a retard.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:06:20 2019 No.10997248

>>10997173
Cars are already made so shit they barely survive a decade. Electric cars on the other hand will never be made as available as the ones running on fossil fuels since you won´t get better energy container than fossil fuel any time soon. Besides there´s no guarantee the market won´t be reshufled in favour of new brands. There´s no profit here, only risk.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:06:59 2019 No.10997250 >>10997232 That's the problem! Academics should be paid to do high quality research. This thread shows what happens when you mix politics into the matter. Just leave it in /pol/ and have at it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:08:37 2019 No.10997253 >>10997232 Man you are stupid

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:10:19 2019 No.10997257

>>10997248
>There´s no profit here, only risk.
China is at the forefront of e-cars, is the biggest consumer market on the planet and the only noteworthy top 5 market to have already announced banning combustion engines in the not so distant future. What's the risk their strategy suffers from? What I see is a powerful nation that tries to reshape the world in its favour, taking out Europe and Japan in the process. If it doesn't work, they'll try something else. They have nothing to lose but everybody else needs to follow suit unless they wanna lose access to 1.4bn people purchasing their shit.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:22:50 2019 No.10997289

>>10997257
Chinks don´t have risks, because they don´t have proper capitalism. If chinks wanted to ban fossil fuel cars they don´t need climate change to do that. Besides they are mostly driven by achieving by geopolitical desires to achieve independence from US oil-hegemony.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:27:48 2019 No.10997300

>>10996922
Climate change is 'science' which is why it gets posted on /sci/, but it's all lies which is why there's so much denial.
Race/IQ threads happen for the same reasons. Genetics and IQ are science but no one believes the 99.999...% consensus that the science is settled and there's no such thing as race.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:29:13 2019 No.10997304

>>10997289
They don't need it, but the West needs it to follow suit. How do you explain to average consumers that they are supposed to pay for an e-car? You can't. So you guilt trip them until banning combustions engines is something THEY WANT are ok with, so passing the law becomes a non-issue. You seriously think it's a coincidence the Volkswagen Group was contra e-cars until 2016, and all of a sudden they've abandoned fosil fuels, left all the relevant unions attached to combustion engines and are going all out on e-cars? The German government also is a major shareholder in the Volkswagen Group. The biggest non-oil or -utilities company on the planet doesn't "just" pull a 180 like this. There's no way they haven't been reassured for this to work and for the government (Germany and EU) to pull the necessary strings to make it work. Do you seriously think Europe gambles its economic future like this?

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:30:27 2019 No.10997309

>>10997250
>Academics should be paid to do high quality research
Yeah, how is that going to happen? Many great advancements were made before the norm was to first seek funding before lifting a finger. The last of them being personal computers. There should be profit to be had from quality work. When politics and industry are buying science, you get politics and industry.
>>10997253
I guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:39:30 2019 No.10997329 File: 84 KB, 468x631, blesds.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10996922 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROOOOVE ITTTTTTT MY NIGGGGGA ???????????????? NOT WITH THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD I RECKON

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:42:57 2019 No.10997337 >>10997329 >scientific method Physics biggest breakthroughs in the last two centuries came from theory first and from that followed concrete evidence through observation.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:47:07 2019 No.10997346

>>10997304
>West needs it to follow suit.
The west has dominance over oil. Especially the US hegemony is found on oil. If oil was to lose it´s importance they are going to lose their "political investments". You need to divide "the west" between EU and US.

>How do you explain to average consumers that they are supposed to pay for an e-car?
Because the normal cars are polluting? I mean it´s a blatant fact. There´s no need to pretend you need some shadowy force for people to acknowledge that. If anything you are going to see more public transportation, less cars (since average pleb won´t be able to buy electromobile anytime soon) and railways replacing trucks, which is good.

>Do you seriously think Europe gambles its economic future like this?
I have no issue with corporations doing the bidding of goverment, but I fail to see the profit motif.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:54:51 2019 No.10997359 >>10996976 human civilization has existed for less than 10,000 years, our entire agricultural system relies on like 10 inbred plant species who have absolutely no idea how to survive outside that tiny optimal window.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:56:11 2019 No.10997363 >>10996986 the physics behind climate science are HS level, it takes less than that to understand why every climate denier is either pedaling lies or utter retardation. From there the decision is easy and requires 0 faith.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 16:58:10 2019 No.10997368 >>10997156 >hey guys it's too hot to grow crops so i'm going to build a building which keeps things hotter genius!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:05:56 2019 No.10997375 >>10997363 t. doesnt know atmospheric physics

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:06:54 2019 No.10997378 >>10997375 please oh great one expound

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:08:56 2019 No.10997382

>>10997363
Yeah, sure mate. And the physics behind semiconductors is high school level if you generalize enough. Almost nobody who isn’t a credentialed subject matter expert can identify the assumptions and limitations of the climate models people are using, let alone the rigor required to vett the data. A layperson has to accept whatever watered down oversimplification as gospel. BTW “College Algebra” is the most failed course in American university’s so your assumption about the baseline ability for people to understand this stuff is erroneous.

>requires zero faith
Thanks for proving my point. You can’t even acknowledge the leap of faith required for the average lay person to buy into AGW so you just assume it’s willful ignorance, to which people get understandably offended and only pushed away from making that leap of faith.

Once again, these wouldn’t be absolute deal breakers if the “solution” wasn’t a nebulous tax with no distinct plan on how to spend the money. That only reinforces the gut feeling people have about AGW being a giant boondoggle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:11:40 2019 No.10997383 >>10997378 Where do you think these scientists get their computational models? Atmospheric physics

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:17:28 2019 No.10997388

>>10997382
All you need to understand to check if the theory holds water is:

1 a systems temperature is determined by heat in minus heat out.

2. The earth receives heat from the sun in the form of visible light, and can only lose heat through radiation which is mostly infrared.

3. different molecules absorb, reflect or transmit photons. based on wavelength.

4. there exist gasses which transmit visible light and absorb infrared. This must slow the rate at which heat is radiated.

5. significantly increasing the concentration of these gasses has to then increase the average temperature of the system.

6. There is an observed increase in average temperature, that correlates exactly with increased GHG concentrations.

7. just for good measure, every model which fails to take into account these effects fails spectacularly.

See nothing beyond a layman, except maybe that atoms, photons, and heat exist, which if you have an issue with, I think this is the least of your worries.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:17:55 2019 No.10997389

>>10997363
You need to know a lot of stuff to understand climate. There's all kinds of water, Air, chemistry, dirt, history, space shit, plants and trees, junk about the sun. I can see that you need at least high school level to believe all that is fed to you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:22:24 2019 No.10997399 >>10997389 I personally don't have the knowledge to create a vaccine, but I know enough of basic germ theory and observational evidence to understand the idea is sound and the experts know what they're doing.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:24:05 2019 No.10997403

>>10997382
>Once again, these wouldn’t be absolute deal breakers if the “solution” wasn’t a nebulous tax with no distinct plan on how to spend the money. That only reinforces the gut feeling people have about AGW being a giant boondoggle.

have you tried not reducing everything you're told is bad into a strawman?

How about you actually read some proposals and tell me what should be done better.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:27:25 2019 No.10997406

>>10997388
>>10997388
>See nothing beyond a layman

I’ll reiterate; you grossly overestimate the layman’s ability to comprehend any of what you just posted. I’m guessing you are upper middle class and interact mostly with people who have some secondary education. Those people are not the majority and you live in an intellectual safe space.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:30:09 2019 No.10997411
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>>10996922
>Why is climate change denial so prevalent in this site?

a dozen trolls sponsored by oil and coal industry copy pasting the same nonsense over and over again

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:32:00 2019 No.10997417 >>10997399 Totally different subject. Is that an attempt at analogy? You don't need experts in fifty different fields to fumble fuck out a vaccine and the healthcare business already has their customers.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:32:35 2019 No.10997418

>>10997403
>have you tried not reducing everything you're told is bad into a strawman?

How is that a strawman? Taxation as a deterrent to use of hydrocarbons is taxation for taxation’s sake and there is no consensus agreement on what’s to be done with the money, let alone a specific budget.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:33:49 2019 No.10997421 >>10997399 >and the experts know what they're doing That is an absolute leap of faith

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:40:25 2019 No.10997442

>>10997418
>Taxation as a deterrent to use of hydrocarbons is taxation for taxation’s sake
Are you suggesting that taxes on hydrocarbons are orthogonal to their usage? I mean in some specific cases like France it´ll be correct but if you would put the burden on the backs of the merchant class I´m sure they would find some alternative way not to lose their money.

>there is no consensus agreement on what’s to be done with the money
Take the money you use on cars to build up network of public transportation and the money spent on trucks to build up railway network. That was easy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:42:22 2019 No.10997448 >>10997442 Public transportation on the level of Europe and Japan is just not possible in America.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:45:42 2019 No.10997451 >>10997448 Build high-speed rails to travel between different provinces instead of planes. Boom, burgers are now bit less of a cancer. Any other problems?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:50:05 2019 No.10997460 >>10997451 There are too many interests in many industries who want to stop an interstate high speed rail system from happening. This is a problem when dealing with multiple states and industries like the automotive and aeroplane industries

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:50:48 2019 No.10997462

>>10997421
No greater than any other leap of faith you require to live in the modern world. If you live in a cave and never leave I'll give you this point. Otherwise accept if you drink water you trust the experts to not poison you, if you drive or fly, you trust the experts. If you have a bank account you trust the experts, if you eat food you didn't grow yourself you trust the experts. It's certainly not unreasonable after all there's lots of experimental evidence these things are ok. Which is exactly the same leap required to to follow climatology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:51:40 2019 No.10997464 >>10997421 +1

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:52:15 2019 No.10997465 >>10997460 Welp, that´s a social problem that can be resolved only through political struggle against the plutocracy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:53:27 2019 No.10997469 >>10996922 4Chan has a ton of utter retards on it but /sci/ is nice because you can observe and participate in playing whack-a-mole on them. “There is no correlation between CO2 and temperature” WHACK

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 17:55:59 2019 No.10997473 >>10997469 Based

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:12:04 2019 No.10997494 >>10997469 Citations needed.... Oh, I don care.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:14:13 2019 No.10997500 >>10997460 That's smoke and mirrors. They all get paid. One hand washes the other at your expenses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:15:20 2019 No.10997502 >>10997494 >https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10915 WHACK

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:16:51 2019 No.10997507 >>10997462 So, what does this leap require of you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:18:37 2019 No.10997508 >>10997507 basically stop being such a fucking faggot, kind of a lot to ask depending on the person

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:18:38 2019 No.10997509

>>10997462
No matter what side you're on this is a shit example.
In all but one of those leaps of faith, the experts have a huge incentive to not fuck you over (they will lose money if they are wrong or lie.).
See if you can figure out which group of experts has an incentive to lie to you about it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:19:34 2019 No.10997514
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>>10997003
wise choice
>>10997054
Funny. But the climate change hoaxers are right about the fact that this is a frighteningly blatant push for communism NOT for environmentalism

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:22:56 2019 No.10997520

>>10997514
you are sort of right, but the core issue is those who oppose any kind of socialism instead of providing better solutions simply ignore the problem. If pure capitalism is superior to socialism then it should be able to provide solutions as well. Socialist intelligently have capitalized on the weakness of the oppositions position.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:23:09 2019 No.10997522

>>10997115
women
>>10997133
some say climate is too complex to understand and model. Some say that the climate has always been changing. Some say that there have been many failed doomsday predictions before.
All those people are partially correct. But the greenhouse effect is currently the biggest boogie man in the room. Who knows how that will effect the planet though and when. If we get rising sea levels that would be catastrophic, but its probably outside the scope of things man can control.
>better not have kids
We'll still be doing completely fine in 50 years so these people are frantic and hysterical

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:24:53 2019 No.10997527 >>10997508 So, I'm not obligated to buy stuff? I can just try to be efficient in all things. I can keep the 73 Chevrolet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:25:00 2019 No.10997528 >>10997173 climate aside, China is on track to take over the world. This eco movement is both anti-energy growth, and also socialist. China couldn't ask for more

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:28:27 2019 No.10997531 >>10997509 Why not ask Willie Soon where he got his funding?

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:33:12 2019 No.10997539

>>10997462
You have the distinct advantage of not being completely scientifically illiterate, so those leaps of faith are nowhere near as large for you as they are for the average person. I cannot overstate how incomprehensible these concepts are to 70%+ of the population

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:34:09 2019 No.10997540 >>10996922 >the same regurgitated anti-intellectual Ironic lmao

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:39:53 2019 No.10997551

>>10997514
>frighteningly blatant push for communism NOT for environmentalism
Why the negation? It´s beyond obvious that capitalism is incapable of solving the issue. Do you really expect people to use inneficient tool just so that bunch of mutts won´t get their feefees hurt because someone said bad word?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:40:30 2019 No.10997552 >>10996922 If you're going to answer your question then don't bother making a thread.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:47:17 2019 No.10997574

>>10997551
Because communism is hell and we don't want to surrender our rights to the states. This shade of communism will allow the state the right to engineer population growth. If this isn't frightening to you, you must be a mainland Chinese and not a freedom loving westerner
There will literally be civil war at this rate. Im predicting the eco-fascist left, vs... the 'neo-Nazi' 'white-nationalist', 1st and 2nd amendment, right. And its framed so that the left are the 'good guys' fighting against racism and Nazis. Big sigh

Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:47:44 2019 No.10997580 >>10997173 Holy shit you're retarded

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:51:07 2019 No.10997587

>>10997539
There are third world country children with SHIT education who can be easily educated about climate change and it's causes. Americans just have SHIT public education because a dumbass population is easier for the government to maintain power over. That's why it's consistently refunded, textbooks are changed etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:53:09 2019 No.10997592 >>10997411 >b-but this quack scientist says otherwise!

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 18:56:27 2019 No.10997608

>>10997574
Despite the liberal ideology that has been hammered into you, rights are merely a formality and state isn´t the only source of power in society. The substance of self-control and self-subsistence is being eroded by googles, facebooks, youtubes, amazons etc. in much more dangerous way than by the state.

As for the population control, it´s either already in place or it´s not needed. It´s needed in Africa however.

As for the hell. I live in a post-commie country and I can hardly say that the boomers are in any way more depressed than the zoomers. On the contrary, shit seems like those people had much better relations with each other.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 19:07:37 2019 No.10997630

>>10996922
Because politicization. One side of a two-party political spectrum decided it was all for saving the climate. The other is now required to be the opposition, whether or not they actually oppose, just because the first party is donning the mantle of planetary savior. When it comes down to it, one side continuously exaggerates the issue and spins it as easily solved, but only they are able to solve it, and they can only do that with political victories and increased funding. The other side is suddenly filled with people who oppose that.

The sad truth is that this has tainted essentially every potential opportunity to actually learn about and solve the issue. And it won't go away until it stops being a successful political strategy. That won't happen soon, because people keep being inflammatory about the topic, like OP.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 19:13:58 2019 No.10997648

>>10997608
>rights are merely a formality
perhaps, but I like what we have and im not interested in giving them up anytime soon like you cucks.
>state isn´t the only source of power in society The substance of self-control and self-subsistence is being eroded by googles, facebooks, youtubes, amazons etc. in much more dangerous way than by the state.
true. Companies of many men have always been consolidating power and control.
> it´s either already in place or it´s not needed. It´s needed in Africa however.
Ya, abortion is here to stay for better or for worse. How many dead black babies are we at? Or white babies? Needed population control In Africa? The racist in me says... no, I don't really care, let them have their country. But I DO care about "climate refugees" being shipped thousands of KMs into our neighbourhoods to strengthen us with diversity.
>hardly say that the boomers are in any way more depressed than the zoomers
millennials gen x and zoomers are nihilistic, anxiety ridden, and depressed. Its intrinsicly bad... but they are probably ready to accept a communist war

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 19:22:46 2019 No.10997665

>>10997648
>I like what we have
I don´t, I want more. I want less American control over my people.

Besides you made no arguments why should capitalism be treated as a system that could solve climate change. So far the only solutions proposed were technological solutions that screw up far worse than what they solve (cough cough Bill Gates). Capitalism seeks solutions through MORE, it´s very unlikely we´ll find such solution before reaching the point of no return. We need LESS, but distributed in a better way. And that´s completely ignoring power of the merchant class who will fight tooth and nail to keep their bussiness running.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 19:23:39 2019 No.10997666 >>10997630 >Because politicization Irrelevant

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 19:47:45 2019 No.10997720 >>10996922 >Why is climate change denial so prevalent in this site? Because /pol/ is both dumb and loud.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:00:09 2019 No.10997756

>>10997531
On that subject, supposedly, he speaks for a nonpartisan nonprofit. His arguments made perfect sense in the video in the other thread and specifically said he doesn't know all the answers and mostly points out the data juggling performed by climate scientists. And shows that many experiments are not repeated by others and are averaged out. His experiments can be duplicated by others and yield same results.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:06:13 2019 No.10997775 >>10997756 >nonpartisan nonprofit His wikipage speaks otherwise and it´s well sourced.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:14:40 2019 No.10997794

>>10996986
>everyone who isn’t a legit climate scientist is required to push the “I believe” button on the subject
>required
What happens if you don´t? Let me guess, You´ll get mocked by people who would mock you anyway? Fucking amerivictims, I swear...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:16:14 2019 No.10997798 File: 47 KB, 852x480, 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10997105 you go both ways LOL

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:16:36 2019 No.10997799

>>10997794
the reason is everybody has to know everything, its not enough to just say " I have absolutely no training in climate sciences, so I'm going to defer to the judgment of people who do" IDK about other places but in America for a lot of people you have to have an opinion on everything or you arent cool

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:17:57 2019 No.10997805 >>10996986 My solution is socialism and abolition of all taxes.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:24:56 2019 No.10997819

>>10997799
So...you are required to do so only to appease your peers? By that logic you are require to affirm or deny climate chage depending on what group do you desire to be part of. Hence the whole "I´m so persecuted" narrative falls apart. I mean, climate change deniers at least get oil money for their bullshit, unlike flat earthers who are in the same situation.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:37:06 2019 No.10997858

>>10996922

Climate change denial is the biggest example of definition creep.

>Oh, you believe it's happening but you don't think we should be spending trillions of dollars on expensive and unreliable energy, deliberately slowing global economic growth, in order to slightly mitigate CO2 output and slightly slow warming. You see climate change as a political mechanism for leftist goals, which it totally isn't!
>You used to think it was happening but observed all the alarmist predictions we've made in the past so we could trick you into spending vast amounts of money on above energy.

Imagine, if you will, that the alt-right controlled all media and academia and were generally seen as respectable and morally virtuous in society:

>Every time an illegal immigrant kills someone, it's an example of WHY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE EVIL AND SOMETHING MUST BE DONE
>The FBI crime statistics are proof that we need to expel all ethnic minorities. No other form of action can address the problem.

Then imagine that you are a leftist and are against these things. They say you're 'denying statistics' but you aren't, you're merely calling for a different response that you think would work better and be better.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:53:04 2019 No.10997899

Cos whenever climate solutions are discussed in politics, it boils down to either dismantling capitalism or personal freedoms, which coincidentally gives establisment more power, which ia their ultimate goal.

You wouldnt put your head into a crocodiles mouth, however convincing his arguments were.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 20:55:27 2019 No.10997904 >>10997899 >If we take profits and property from the establishment, we give it power Makes perfect sense.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:01:07 2019 No.10997911

>>10997899
What you neoliberals don't understand is that technology has changed the world. Corporations can consolidate and control power far more effectively than ever before. A government is the only organization capable of competing. Your choice is either an organization of the people by the people for the people. Or of the investors for the profit by the profit. And for some reason you brainwashed idiots always choose the latter.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:08:54 2019 No.10997932

>>10997911
At the end of the day the question is just what it is at face value. "Will we consume and pollute more or less?" Science can tell us what will be outcome of diferent levels of consumption, but everything else is ideology obscuring the reality. Americans are the worst offenders of consumption, hence they are the most likely to engage in obscurantism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:12:22 2019 No.10997947 >>10996922 The Koch brothers invested millions into creating this controversy, so there you are OP. CC denial exists because the truth is inconvenient to our corporate overlords.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:30:06 2019 No.10997991

>>10997587
Those kids are just taking an even bigger leap of faith because they are kids.

The real black pill is that the vast majority of humans are shit eating plebs who physically cannot comprehend any of this science stuff.

You need only look at any undergrad thermo class to see this. Those kids who flunk out of that class are the smart ones who can actually make it to college, imagine how turbo pleb everyone else is.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:35:17 2019 No.10998000

>>10997904
Corps are already super taxed. You make em ecological, you make em broke. To avoid that they move to a jurisdiction that has no ecological restrictions. Et voila, you are stuck with ur gubmint poor and jobless, cos you bought their ecology gambit. Now you are absolutely depend on them.
>>10997911
When was the last time you saw a people for the people gubmint? People doesnt control the power, it is the officials. And they will do anything to increase their numbers and perpetuate the regime, all the while generating more and more inefficiencies until it breaks.
Also, individuals and small biz are getting to compete with big guyz thx to technology. Governments are not the only option. The solution to fucking everything is empowering the individual and bringing forward a new era of feudalism. But this time anyone can become a sovereign due to low costs in an increasingly technological society.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:36:23 2019 No.10998005 >>10997947 lmao literally all big corpotations are CC shills

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:39:32 2019 No.10998011

>>10998000
>Corps are already super taxed.
lmao, no
>Now you are absolutely depend on them.
If you go broke after few corps betray your nation and move away, you were dependent on the in the first place. Hence it´s time to restructure the economy and replace disloyal extractive class with a better elite.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:41:21 2019 No.10998016

>>10996922
I'll do my part, but I hope someone/a group of people is cataloguing and archiving as many posts, quotes, articles, arguments and news events that are climate change denying in nature and premise. So in 50 years future generations will have the most complete comprehension on what was said and learn from the dumb fuckery while the biosphere collapses around them. Give a flicker of hope for them to learn from our mistakes.

For my part, I will throw every old cunt I know under the bus when I talk to children when I'm a old man. I will say none of them had strength to recognize the problem, and that no matter what they left us, the only thing that matters is they didn't leave a future for them, and even prevented a better world from being made. I will say there was no better past, that rose tinted nostalgia glasses got us in this mess to begin with. I will name names, and any other old fuck that gets upset at me bashing dead people will be met with violence. I do not and will not care. 50 years is a long time but isn't.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:41:23 2019 No.10998017

>>10998005
>Corporations that contribute to most of the world's carbon emissions are big CC shills
Are you even listening to yourself?
Some tech and services corps might pretend to give a fuck because it's hip to pretend to care about anything that isn't just profits, but in the end of the day the only thing any corporation cares about is their bottom line.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:41:53 2019 No.10998020

>>10998005
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Soon
>Multiple grants from the American Petroleum Institute between 2001 and 2007 totalled $274,000, and grants from Exxon Mobil totalled $335,000 between 2005 and 2010.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil

Since you said "literally", one example is enough to disprove you. Now stop lying and leave this board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:51:06 2019 No.10998042 >>10997494 Citation needed for what? If you mean “There is no correlation between CO2 and temperature”, that’s the point. That statement is incorrect and that’s why it’s “whacked”

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:52:33 2019 No.10998049 >>10997528 >This eco movement is both anti-energy growth, and also socialist. Tell me more about how environmentalism mandates that corporations all be replaced with cooperatives.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 21:57:05 2019 No.10998055 >>10996922 Because, if you haven't already noticed, dumb /pol/fags are overrunning this place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:04:06 2019 No.10998066 >>10998055 You think it’s from the shutdown of Infinity Chan?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:08:45 2019 No.10998082 >>10996922 Climate change exists but you can go ask the Chinese to change their policy and power generation first.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:10:31 2019 No.10998086 >>10998055 >>10998066 Better the ones you know than the ones you don't know mi Anons

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:12:05 2019 No.10998095 >>10998042 You get whacked back. I guess you're wrong now. This is fun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:12:45 2019 No.10998097 >>10997509 The experts you believed when you heard them say climate change is a hoax

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:12:55 2019 No.10998099 >>10998095 >You get whacked back. Nah. >>10997502

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:15:58 2019 No.10998113 >>10998017 Oh, what ever happened to CFCs and the hole in the Ozone layer? That's right, DuPont lost the patent rights and drummed that stuf up so they could continue to sell to the military exempt and nobody else could profit from it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:17:02 2019 No.10998116 >>10998113 >Oh, what ever happened to CFCs and the hole in the Ozone layer? They banned them and the hole shrank. That issue was solved so it stopped being a thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:19:22 2019 No.10998125 >>10997502 >https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10915 Whoa! Who's side am I on. This suggests that co2 lags temperature changes. It is a symptom not the offender. Correlation is definitely not causation.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:21:03 2019 No.10998127

>>10998125
>”These observations, together with transient global climate model simulations, support the conclusion that an antiphased hemispheric temperature response to ocean circulation changes superimposed on globally in-phase warming driven by increasing CO2 concentrations is an explanation for much of the temperature change at the end of the most recent ice age.”

???
Lying isn’t impressive.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:22:48 2019 No.10998134

>>10998116
Yeah right. 15 years before they obsoleted R12 and vented all that stuff into the atmosphere. You think 3rd world countries were using collection systems? I know we were not, as soon as nobody's looking, crack a valve. Oh, I recovered when you were out boss. Good boy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:25:00 2019 No.10998138 >>10998127 I see we are picking our favorite parts. Let me see if .. "global warming preceded by increasing co2"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:26:33 2019 No.10998143 >>10998134 >I know we were not, as soon as nobody's looking, crack a valve. We know if CFCs are being emitted anywhere because that’s being monitored. Your conspiracy theory is dumb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:27:35 2019 No.10998145 Denying climate change to own the libs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:28:00 2019 No.10998147 >>10998138 Bad bait.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:30:09 2019 No.10998152 >>10998138 shit I keep forgetting citations are useless if the mole is too dumb to actually read them

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:30:13 2019 No.10998153 >>10998143 Man! I have ven* it lo*** ys*. You trying to get me in trouble? I speak from experience. My hands are drty.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:31:41 2019 No.10998159 >>10998147 But true. >>10998152 I read. I respect you and wouldn't have you wasting your time. Seriously. You are making a difference.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:31:43 2019 No.10998160 >>10998005 just pr, nothing else

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:33:19 2019 No.10998164 >>10998153 Fortunately one retarded redneck destroying his Frigidaire is pretty irrelevant. Now every service technician following proper procedures or facing massive fines, that fucking matters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:40:28 2019 No.10998174 >>10998164 You don't know that you're wrong. I wouldn't shit you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:43:54 2019 No.10998179 >>10998174 I would just show you the rate of ozone decay and atmospheric CFC concentrations before and after the Montreal protocol, but you're a fucking dumbass who doesn't even know what he's arguing for or against right now.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:54:12 2019 No.10998206

>>10996922
Why is it only idiots bought in to the corporate scam of man made climate change that they are conveniently selling you tons of "green" products that are no different, making products even worst while you get charged the same and have to pay more taxes for the scam . Why are all the politicians that are far left still living by the coast if its so dangerous flying in private jets, giant houses and being carted around to raise awareness about the scam they are selling you.

When anybody with above 4th grade education knows Earth goes through cycles.

Meanwhile the world is flooded with micro plastics which a man made problem that do actually change the environment and harm humans just as much. But zero of the scam aritst talk about the actual environmental change. How about Africa, India and China being the culprits of all this pollution other then the greedy jews.

Ice Ages occurred before industrial ages rather quickly its what caused vikings to go on raids.

I'm just glad the people who believe in the scam of man made climate change being told by leftist tyrants that living in poverty and allowing open borders to low iqs browns is how you solve all your problems, well these people had no chance of reproduction any way from retardation and thats the real benefit I see in this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 22:55:31 2019 No.10998209 >>10998206 This reads like a laundry list of boomer myths.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:26:09 2019 No.10998283 >>10998179 750 million cars not retrofitted until system leaks made it viable. Versus somke and mirrors in montreal. The manufacturer wanted the ban as much as tobacco companies wanted to stop advertising.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:30:31 2019 No.10998289

>>10998283
oddly enough most auto owners aren't broke bitches who let their car run until the entire thing dies. The vast majority of autos are actually serviced before catastrophic failure, at which time the CFCS can be safely recovered. Once again I'm not even sure what your point is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:41:12 2019 No.10998317 I for one dont believe!

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:44:14 2019 No.10998322

>>10998289
>broke bitches
They were during that time. Inflation was redoncuclous. Average people didn't even buy toothpaste. No AC isn't catastrophic failure. It is usually a leak in a schrader valve. A part that cost 10 cents and could be changed by your grandma. Why would people who think McDonald's is a special occasion spend 800 bucks on that. Point os that the ozone hole was a fucking joke. There has been way too much fight fixing for any serious person to take this seriously. It is the boy lying wolf.
>>10998317
Im trying to get convinced but it slow and laborious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:46:23 2019 No.10998327 >>10998283 The EPA has a standing reward of like $25k for diming out someone who releases refrigerant. Let me see you do that shit nigga.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:48:34 2019 No.10998330 >>10998327 It just happens. They used to put faggots in jail for ass sex back then too.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 00:03:53 2019 No.10998370

Because despite both believing that climate change is the major threat facing mankind AND saying they are the enlightened ones using facts and evidence they balk at any solution that features switching to nuclear to handle base load electricity generation because it wouldn't allow them to seize power over everyone's lives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 00:13:24 2019 No.10998403 >>10998370 Nobody balks at anything but the cost

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 00:18:39 2019 No.10998422
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>>10996922
Enviro-tards, slacktivists and clickbait grifters have turned it into a polticial/social issue and thus have rendered informed opinions and level-headed discussion of the matter impossible.

People also just like to piss you off.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 00:34:35 2019 No.10998471

>>10998403

Germany spent 220 billion USD to switch over to green sources only to now have the highest cost of energy in Europe, buy energy from France, and increase reliance on fossil fuels making them give up on their emissions goals for 2020.

The UAE spent 24 billion on nuclear reactors to power giant indoor ski resorts in a desert.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 00:40:38 2019 No.10998494

>>10998322
>Point os that the ozone hole was a fucking joke.
wrong
>There has been way too much fight fixing for any serious person to take this seriously. It is the boy lying wolf.
is this fucking english?

>They were during that time. Inflation was redoncuclous. Average people didn't even buy toothpaste. No AC isn't catastrophic failure. It is usually a leak in a schrader valve. A part that cost 10 cents and could be changed by your grandma. Why would people who think McDonald's is a special occasion spend 800 bucks on that

what is this retarded fucking revisionist history? since when were the 90s the great fucking depression?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 00:41:40 2019 No.10998497 >>10998471 meanwhile in the US 20 billion doesn't even buy a working reactor

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 00:43:21 2019 No.10998501 >>10998327 can you imagine anything more glorious that getting paid 25k to rat on a retard like that? Can you imagine how many people did it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 00:44:49 2019 No.10998502 >>10998497 Especially when the creditors have to deal with the reactor getting its license pulled because of the greenpeace beatniks and other science deniers.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 00:46:56 2019 No.10998508
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>>10998471
That's a popular talking point among you morons right now. It must be circulating Facebook or something.

The facts are that Germany is one of the worst places for solar and nearly everywhere else nuclear energy is much more expensive than any renewable energy source. Germany's bad planning doesn't make nuclear any cheaper. Bring down the cost or aquire subsidies and reactors will be built, otherwise fuck off and quit your bitching.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 00:51:16 2019 No.10998522

>>10998502
oh fuck off greenpeace has less political power than my fucking grandmother.
Nuclear goes nowhere in the US because private companies fucking hate the hassle and insane start up costs. There's literally no reason to ever fucking run a nuke when you could just build a NG plant for like 1/30th cost and not have to worry about hiring a fucking private army for security.

Seriously, after votgle talk to an investor about your nuclear idea, and best case you get laughed at worst he calls security after the first word.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:00:20 2019 No.10998544
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>>10998522

Germany literally shut down their nuclear production to appease the greens.

Actual US presidential candidates talk about shutting down nuclear.

Even here, we see nothing but cope from people who want to hate nuclear power, damn the facts or cost.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:08:19 2019 No.10998570

>>10998544
if by the greens you mean the German people after the Fukushima disaster cost Japan far more than the value of all electricity ever produced? that just seems like math.

and nuclear is a fucking trash welfare queen in the US fucking useless.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:14:53 2019 No.10998587

>>10998570

>Japanese cleanup Kabuki theatre with a background below rural Colorado.

Never let a crisis go to waste to push the globohomo agenda.

Meanwhile cadmium is being dumped into the environment to make solar panels and fossil fuels kill 7,000,000 people due to pollution.

More people literally fall to their death servicing windmills than were killed in Fukushima from radiation.

>wellfare queen
>getting rid of it raises energy costs for us citizens

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:45:23 2019 No.10998652 >>10998570 They use "cope" -759'258.-@@7 9' 7:93 53-'. ....., fuck! Wrong key board. Automatically on your team!!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:47:34 2019 No.10998661 >>10998508 I get all my news from Anon. Do yur job!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:49:05 2019 No.10998665 >>10998497 I wouldn't spit for twenty billion! t. American.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:51:41 2019 No.10998673 >>10998494 >is this fucking english? It is if you know the slightest shit about shit and can look past auto correct and stop nit picking like a retarded gay faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:56:22 2019 No.10998680 >>10998494 >90s 80s dumbfuck. >is this fucking english? You're all greek to me. And, imydrunk sofourth. Forsoothe. Oh! Are my durnk words too powerful for your pusillanimous character?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:59:44 2019 No.10998689 File: 85 KB, 800x1062, 1568594232956.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10996922 Climate change = perceived as leftist = FAKE NEWS

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 02:05:14 2019 No.10998695 >>10998689 Tell me what I should think or I shall'n't think it!

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 02:05:19 2019 No.10998696

>>10998508

Your table is a lie. These power sources are not actually cheaper than conventional sources because they are not reliable. Power that is not reliable and predictable is not nearly as valuable as that which is. It is a complete waste of time to build two energy distribution networks and use each at around half-efficiency, as any reasonable person would realise.

Building a power plant that produces somewhere between 0-150 megawatts is stupid. When it's running at full tilt you can't use the extra power. When it's not running, you need power that works.

>muh batteries

You cannot store substantial amounts of power without using pumped storage, which is geographically marginal.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 02:11:31 2019 No.10998703

>>10998508
Well. Lies can be true. It is all politics. I lived in ks when it deregulated electricity was like they suck my dick to even pay anything. Move to California and suddenly, dereg makes everything unfathomaboy expensive. You think what you want.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 02:13:34 2019 No.10998705

>>10996922
There are people paid by big business to spam the internet everywhere to say climate change has nothing todo with what people are doing
It’s bots, the people who work for the misinformation, then those who are converted and do this work for them, for free
Also the simple minded must do the opposite of whatever their opponent is for

They’re dooming us all and all the wildlife
I’d have no problem killing them all, horribly
no remorse whatsoever
animals are worth more to the world than the anti-environmentalist

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 02:19:48 2019 No.10998714 >>10998705 What a fucking schizzo. Im not a bot. My IQ is the top one percent. That's right. I pull the can't prove shot internet card. Bt its true my friend.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 02:26:20 2019 No.10998730 >>10998714 Be glad I don’t know where you live

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:14:11 2019 No.10998809 >>10997173 >five of the biggest economies in the world dominate [market] woah... this truly expands my horizons. wtf???? i thought zimbabwe dominated the car market..!!?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:16:30 2019 No.10998812 >>10998730 You wanna meet somewhere or what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:18:26 2019 No.10998818 >>10998812 Meet me in Temecula pussy

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:21:58 2019 No.10998824

>>10998730
I bet you think you can kick the shit out of a bot, huh? I fight more than I can remember? Do you know something I do not pussyass? I have a 2600 mile radius on the weekend... what were we talking about?
>Temecula
Be more specific retard. I can't teleport.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:22:40 2019 No.10998826

>>10997368
You shouldn't open your mouth if you have no idea what you're talking about. The main function of a greenhouse isn't to heat up, but to control the temperature inside the building while allowing a lot of sunlight to enter. Why do you think are there are greenhouses all over desert type regions? You don't even need electricity for cooling, there are plenty of natural methods to do it. For example you can regulate the temperature inside a greenhouse by having a body of water inside that keeps the temperature constant at the mean temperature of the day and night temperature, or at the ground temperature if the body of water is in the ground. You can also tunnel air through few meters below the ground where the temperature is constantly cool, or just dig a hole and build the greenhouse ~2 meters below surface level to stay cool because of the cooler earth around it. Or let air flow through a wet towel, or use arab style evaporative cooling. I'm not going to list them all but you get the idea.

Well, you're not completely at fault for not knowing this, if the average person knew how to cool a building naturally there wouldn't be millions of retards needlessly paying a big ass electricity bill for an air-conditioner.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:33:00 2019 No.10998848
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>>10998696
solar is as reliable and predictable as the sun, it's producing power every day
Wind is changing on the surface, but higher up it's quite steady, that's why turbines are getting bigger and bigger

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:35:18 2019 No.10998854 >>10998587 >globohomo This term according to 4plebs is Summed by German, Brazilian and Canadian posters on /pol/

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:36:57 2019 No.10998858 >>10998818 What’s a temecula pussy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:38:20 2019 No.10998860 >>10998471 They buy from France to sell it to other nations you tard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:39:14 2019 No.10998862 >>10998858 Fuck off! I will seriously kick the shit out of this guy for no reason, if that's what he wants. I don't care. I love fucking people up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:39:34 2019 No.10998864 >>10998860 People forget that so they think germane only buys it fir themselves

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:40:16 2019 No.10998867 >>10998858 With all respect, of course. I giggled.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:07:00 2019 No.10998915 >>10998471 >UAE So, everyone is a bunch of dummies too?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:12:39 2019 No.10998926 >>10998862 Haha listen to this temecula pussy he’s getting wet n ready!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:15:38 2019 No.10998930 >>10998862 You won’t do shit and you would shit your pants if you saw me, because I’ve got a dragon dildo ready for that temmy pussy. Shit your pants in arousal for the upcoming dildoage. Oooooo so sexy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:16:50 2019 No.10998931 >>10998926 Is it so difficult in writing, with no tone of voice? I am not the temecula pussy. I will obliterate the temecula pussy. He, obviously, turned tail.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:18:20 2019 No.10998933 >>10998930 You're talking to the wrong person dipshit. Name a time and a place to become a vegetable annd cut the crap.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:19:38 2019 No.10998936 >>10998930 Oh, I see. You larp. Carry on. I am waiting for the real deal.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:23:15 2019 No.10998942

Why is it an "us vs them" thing in America? Imagine, an astronomer saw an asteroid in his telescope. Why would anyone feel smug about insulting that guy and doubting the principle that a telescope can show things that are far away the way that "deniers" doubt climate archives such as ice cores?

I really don't understand why people dedicate so much time to challenge scientific results without doing any research themselves. I'm all for challenging scientific results, but only with your own results, not with pictures of frogs and insults.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:26:52 2019 No.10998949 >>10998931 No it’s been me the whole time There’d be no fair fight u pansy You gotta sleep or take a shit sometime That’s when I show up with a pistol and put your brains on the floor You California nigger

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:27:20 2019 No.10998950 >>10998942 Idk about your questionable analogy but we are the only "them" left you can't smell your own shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:28:22 2019 No.10998953 >>10998949 Time. Place.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:29:16 2019 No.10998954

>>10998696
If you spread out your renewable power plants, you have reliability by redundancy. Yes, very rarely it can happen that it's cloudy and there's only little wind IN ONE SPOT. If you have solar and winds in other parts of your country and the grid necessary to distribute the power, you're already fine on the scale of a small country like Germany, but imagine a grid the size of Europe or the US. DC transmission lines aren't quite there yet, but one needs to find a working point between a large scale grid and emergency power plants based on natural (or artificial) gas. It's a question of technological progress and cost. Nothing fundamental is stopping us.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:29:43 2019 No.10998956 >>10998949 Ah. You also larp and take advantage of my drunkenness. I gave no indication of where i am from. Not the temecula puss.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:31:31 2019 No.10998957 >>10998950 Who's "we" now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:31:56 2019 No.10998958 >>10998953 Go ahead put your address and contact info in the next post

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:33:16 2019 No.10998960 >>10998956 Lol you drunk sober up you retard listen to yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:33:30 2019 No.10998961 >>10998957 USA. I don't wanna be a patriot. Fuck that. But really believe that there are remnants of actual individual freedom here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:37:25 2019 No.10998964 >>10998960 Fuck off. I will happily drive to temecula on Friday night or Saturday If Anon wants to meet up, maybe get a taco, and then go th the hospital.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:39:56 2019 No.10998968 >>10998964 As long as you stop drinking so much come on man no one is serious on here, well most of us aren’t

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:43:01 2019 No.10998975 >>10998968 because we might truly need to get you to the hospital to check out that liver! and remember drinking is haram sleep tight taco paco

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:46:15 2019 No.10998979

>>10998961
Then I don't understand the "them" remark. I meant Americans who see themselves as the "us" and the scientific community (and everyone who trusts in science) as "them". As a kind of hostile group that tries to dictate an agenda upon the American people. Which is stupid. This "us" group is affected by climate change the same as anyone

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:54:28 2019 No.10998986

>>10998975
I ain't that drunk.. yes I am. Bit I think i still have the knack and id like to find out. That temeculan faggot started it. I was just contributing pr, shot posting. I don't remember. Your probably right about the liver though. I would say thats pussy but Im seriously downloading two letres pf vodka a day. But its all at once. A lot of times. I wasn't tipping till 9:30 pm. Ain't like I have an issue. Just hurts to be alive and I wanna hurt someone back. Especially if they be acting like all and a bag of chips.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:56:16 2019 No.10998988 >>10998979 >This "us" group is affected by climate change Literally nobody's effected by climate change. Sorry bro. It has absolutely no impact on your life. Just stop paying attention to what you pay attention to.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:58:37 2019 No.10998990

>>10998848

What are clouds? What are seasons?

Gee, could you imagine that in some countries, their power use is GREATEST in winter, when they have the least sun?

>>10998954

Well, no, you don't have reliability by redundancy because weather systems are big. This attitude is what got us the GFC (surely they wont all default at once).

https://dailycaller.com/2017/02/28/germany-facing-mass-blackouts-because-the-wind-and-sun-wont-cooperate/

Furthermore, wind power actually damages the grid when it oversupplies. It's complete folly to further increase the amount of unreliable power and close coal plants.

Our civilization requires power that is reliable and cheap. Renewables cannot achieve this. You can't have 1.5-2x the megawattage installed, just to have a lower chance of prolonged blackouts. We can't store the power: pumped hydro is too location specific.

Nuclear is the only option. We need to get rid of the boomers and their absurd regulation that raises the price of nuclear power. Nuclear power plants are not hard to build and they're extremely cheap to operate. Uranium is incredibly cheap. Fission is perfect as it is, we don't even need to wait for fusion.

>muh waste

Literally dump it down a mineshaft, encased in steel boxes and far from groundwater. Done.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 05:01:13 2019 No.10998994 >>10998988 >unprecedented heat waves >new temperature records every freaking year Every elderly person who dies due to these heat waves is a victim of climate change.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 05:02:50 2019 No.10998996

>>10998986
My dude try to stop that is a one way ticket to a worse situation
Used to do the same thing took years to quit, it’s always possible even if you don’t think so right at this point
It just makes shit worse, and the assness of being sober goes away
AA is bullshit though doing it solo ultimately is the key
Good luck and just try sleeping this one off now before you dig deeper into the current bottle, the next day is easier as we know if that’s the route
good luck

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 05:06:17 2019 No.10998997

>>10998990
>linking to a report LITERALLY by a lobby organisation that fights for "conventional" energy sources.

I'm not a big opponent of nuclear, but dumping shit in mine shafts hasn't exactly paid out for Germany.

Also, how can you claim that nuclear is cheap when it's unknown how much the storage costs? Sure, the energy companies made a deal with the German government that they pay once and any future costs will be paid by the German tax payers, but that doesn't exactly make it cheap, it just transfers the risk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 05:35:38 2019 No.10999008 >>10998988 >live in coastal town in the Whitsunday islands. >Climate change kills most of the coral near me >tourists stop coming >town dies

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 05:54:14 2019 No.10999031

>>10997462
your arguments are weak. my car was probably put together by minimum wage workers. same for food and everything else.

climate change deniers are stupid. since earth exist the climate changes. humans don't made it, we accelerate it. this is why i think you're retarded. no matter what we do, we can't stop it anyways. a tax? seriously? we just through money at it and the problem will dissappear? most stupid thing i have heard in years. it's a scam. if politics really want to change something (slowing climate change) they would make laws and ban certain things. but they don't do it, they just want to make money with it.
climate change is not human made.
when climate change is a car, humans didn't build it. we just put better oil into it to make it drive faster.

best thing we can do is not a stupid tax, but preparing for the change. we can't stop it, but we can be prepared when it comes. this would be the logical way to handle it.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:02:36 2019 No.10999042

>>10999031
Earth's ecosystem is a delicate equilibrium and we are increasing CO2 levels at an exponential rate in an extremely small timeframe relative to natural climate cycles. The equilibrium has been upset and the change will become ever more violent, exponential and fast the longer we do nothing. Humanity is fucked and we're all going to starve to death. There is nothing we can do because we are too retarded to work together and grasp the monumental nature of this issue. Maybe if humans were a species like ants that worked together as a kind of superorganism for the benefit of the whole we could have done better.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:04:08 2019 No.10999045

>>10999042
Basically there isn't any point to preparing for the change. I am gonna anyway, but nothing will prepare you for not being able to grow food anymore. What are you gonna do when the grocery stores are empty? Noone fucking knows how to function except in this extremely fucking complex society we were born into.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:09:51 2019 No.10999051

>>10999031
>we can't stop it
This is where you're wrong.
https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2019/07/how-trees-could-save-the-climate.html

>since earth exist the climate changes. humans don't made it, we accelerate it.
But without human intervention, we'd be in a phase of cooling, not warming.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:11:02 2019 No.10999054 >>10999042 then we shall die. natural selection, great filter, etc. we don't deserve this planet then. i don't have a problem with that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:15:22 2019 No.10999059 >>10999051 >This is where you're wrong. >https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2019/07/how-trees-could-save-the-climate.html and then the climate stays the same forever? cool!

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:41:39 2019 No.10999081

>>10998997

>Any source that disagrees with me is evil and cannot be trusted, regardless of whether it's true or not. I only want evidence from sites like the Guardian, who are suscpiciously silent on Energiewende's grotesque failure.

The storage is not expensive. It simply isn't difficult to encase a few thousand tonnes of radioactive material, if that, and put it in a mineshaft. It is a matter of physically moving a few thousand tonnes of material into a mine. If that's so hard, how do you explain mining in the first place? If we can dig stuff out of the ground, we can put it back in. If you think that's physically difficult, then you're not thinking.

The objections are all political, not technical.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:51:03 2019 No.10999093

I have yet to see any reference to academic papers or conjecture beyond general knowledge taught at a high school level. All I see is /pol/-tier banter. You want to know why climate change denial and affirmation is so strong? No one wants to actually take a look at it. You can't talk about this thing without pseuds flooding the topic just parroting mass media claims.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 07:24:16 2019 No.10999126 >>10999059 It’ll inevitably change due to Milankovich cycles and stuff, but in principle, we could work against any natural forcings to keep earth’s climate as it is now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 07:28:42 2019 No.10999132 >>10997022 /biz/ is unironically one of the best boards for general shitposting

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 07:59:33 2019 No.10999166

>>10999059
On a timescale that affects us. O(10k years) ago humans were just apes who shaped stones, O(100k years) ago humans started leaving Africa. So if it stays the same for another 1000 years it would already be a huge success, considering we fucked up the planet in a mere 200 years.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:03:21 2019 No.10999170

>>10999081
Don't get me wrong, there are also reputable German newspapers that reported on this claim. But it still is a claim by a lobby organization and the German newspapers report on it like this. "This guy from the lobby organization claims that..."

Regarding your other point: If it were just a question of physically moving barrels in a mine shaft, how come we have been struggling to do so since the 1950s?
Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asse_II_mine

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:11:28 2019 No.10999176 >>10996945 this

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:17:28 2019 No.10999180 >>10999093 The majority of sources "cited" in this thread are news articles that tend to paraphrase and skew studies which they are not required to listed at the end of article.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:29:39 2019 No.10999189 >>10998020 He could be funded a billion dollars by Exxon Mobil but that doesn't make Willie's arguments any less correct. Can you actually dispute Willie's arguments?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 09:16:10 2019 No.10999244 >>10999189 The post was response to an argument about his conflict of interest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 09:22:14 2019 No.10999247 >>10998206 >dude your a shill lol >dude its all a cycle Sometimes I wish I could be as retarded as you. Life would be a bliss. No need to worry because my masters told me that it will be okay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 09:28:31 2019 No.10999251 >>10998860 >buy energy that is wired into a grid to sell to other nations >suffer rolling brownouts, the highest cost of energy in Europe, and increased reliance on Russian natural gas Cope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 09:30:28 2019 No.10999253 >>10999189 I'm bored so I'll take the bait, go ahead and post whatever blog willie is pretending is gods gift to climate science right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 09:30:28 2019 No.10999254 >>10998942 One side says the meteor is the perfect excuse to seize complete power from individuals and force them to live like slaves propping up the powerful and connected elite. One side is retarded but at least genuinely doesn't want that.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 09:40:11 2019 No.10999274

>>10996922
Because it's 4chan, being edgy will always be the cool thing to do. Climate change is for hippies, veganism is for hippies, if you break your spaghetti in half you need to literally kill yourself, every major is shit except math, etc.
This board being about science doesn't really change anything about that. It's still populated by the same pool of spergs who can't hold any moderate beliefs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 10:20:49 2019 No.10999358 >>10999253 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zrejG-WI3U

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 10:56:44 2019 No.10999456

I have a genuine question about the runaway warming effect that is often mentioned.
It is said that increasing temperatures will add more water to the atmosphere which then increases temperatures.
Since temperatures and CO2 have been far above current levels in the past, why didnt this already happen? Did it happen and reverse itself?

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 11:08:26 2019 No.10999494

>>10999456
First define runaway warming, CO2 levels and temperatures in the past were considerably higher in the past even with considerably lower solar output. Just because the earth will never become Venus, doesn't mean we can't hit +10C if we try hard enough, which will pretty much be the end of agriculture as we know it, and completely shift which parts of the planet are habitable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 11:10:48 2019 No.10999502 >>10999358 dude I'm not wasting 2 hours on watching that unpublished shill, summarize what you think his best arguments are, or post his written work.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 12:02:47 2019 No.10999607

>>10999456
Over time, some of the CO2 in our atmosphere became limestone. That's why it decreased. Another huge impact on CO2 is biology. More plants -> less CO2. But those mechanisms don't help us. They are of the order of hundreds of millions of years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 12:07:07 2019 No.10999612 >>10996945 we live in a society

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 12:09:32 2019 No.10999620 File: 196 KB, 700x700, lubos motl.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Climate alarmism isn't compatible with a scientific worldview.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 12:19:46 2019 No.10999656 >>10999620 >a guy from a totally different field spreads conspiracy theories Also, he seems to be a crackpot in pretty much every other regard. Just google him, that guy's a joke. His last publication on researchgate is from over 12 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 12:22:11 2019 No.10999666 >>10996922 4chan has always been edgy and contrarian and a lot of climate shitposting reflects that, but there is now a vocal minority that believes they are in good company and makes it their life goal to spread the word for some reason.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 12:30:58 2019 No.10999697

>>10996922
>trying to make it all into a "globohomo" conspiracy

It literally is.

The managed to turn "the weather" into an excuses for endless progressive taxes.

Does your stupid ass really thinks your average dogshit politician is lying awake at night because some pacific shithole island will be swamped by the ocean in 70 years?

Do you ever wonder why these caring, humanity loving souls are so laser focused on climate change yet you don't see any resources being provided for asteroid defense which is a real threat that could make the effects of global warming seem like nothing in comparison?

Gee, theres a fuckton of money to be made in one, and almost none in the other.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 12:40:01 2019 No.10999737 >>10999697 >The rich invent conspiracy to curb their own profits and geopolitical hegemony Yup, that´s a mutt trying to make excuses for his littering all over planet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 12:41:24 2019 No.10999739 >>10999697 >he doesn't know the difference between weather and climate.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 12:51:26 2019 No.10999773

>>10997411
>ad populum
I really don't care about how many scientists agree. I care about which ones are correct. If you've studied history you'd know that a "consensus" isn't enough. Scientists used to believe that everything revolved around the Earth and that bloodletting was a viable solution to disease. If you want to convince skeptics, stop using this rhetoric.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 12:52:30 2019 No.10999776 >>10997418 If we only had 12 more years to live don't you think our govs would just go full eco fascist and nuke the third world?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 12:55:31 2019 No.10999784 >>10999773 >everything revolved around the Earth and that bloodletting was a viable solution to disease There were no scientists in those times. Only natural philosophers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 12:56:05 2019 No.10999785 >>10999697 What is the chance of an deadly asteroid hit earth in the next two thousand years? I bet it is pretty low mate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:04:21 2019 No.10999812 >>10999784 fine. "Experts." Use actual data for arguing instead of consensus

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:06:36 2019 No.10999820 >>10999812 You have had enough data posted ITT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:10:08 2019 No.10999830 >>10999820 I wasn't refuting the data. I'm refuting the ad populum rhetoric

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:13:33 2019 No.10999836 >>10999830 The rhetoric has it´s place. If vast majority of experts believe something, that something is more likely than what do the outliers funded by special interests group do believe. It´s not 100% thing, but it´s a valid argument.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:15:20 2019 No.10999839

>>10997418
If you don't believe in the effectiveness of economic incentives what the fuck do you even believe in? Ether you have economic incentives or the government just goes full fascist and imprisons anyone who emits CO2, is that really the option you prefer?
Taxes and fines work as enforcement for virtually everything, why is this any different?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:25:06 2019 No.10999863 >>10999839 to what degree would that help? I've heard it's too late. I don't think it's too late if we take drastic measures though. WW3 is needed.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:26:41 2019 No.10999868
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>>10999502
James Hansen, the guy who essentially kickstarted this whole global warming apocalypse off tried to present the graph at the top in pic related as evidence of AGW causing an increase in the size of wildfires.

As you can see from the bottom graph, the graph actually starts off at 1926, where there was much more acres burned in wildfires. Why would James Hansen be deceptive like this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:27:47 2019 No.10999872 >>10999863 >global warming has the potential to destabilize food sources and cause millions to starve and be displaced >So lets kill billions through all out thermonuclear war math checks out, when do we nuke America?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:33:48 2019 No.10999886 >>10999872 >math checks out, when do we nuke America? America shouldn't be the ones nuked. Think about it. If you get rid of the developing world then the population is reduced to sustainable levels. gg ez

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:34:08 2019 No.10999887 >>10996925 >>10996922 >muh co2 >muh obama >muh pre 2020 solar panels produced with tons of co2 + x gases >0 mention of fracking

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:38:25 2019 No.10999899 File: 105 KB, 1005x930, Screenshot_2019-09-24 co2-emissions-per-capita png (PNG Image, 1005 × 930 pixels).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10999886 that makes 0 sense, you'd have to kill 165 Chadians to equal one Amerifat.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:40:15 2019 No.10999903
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>>10999868
If you can't figure out why this picture is fucking retarded, you need to get off this fucking board.
I'll give you a hint though.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:41:11 2019 No.10999906

>>10997388
To reiterate the previous anon
>the physics behind semiconductors is high school level if you generalize enough. Almost nobody who isn’t a credentialed subject matter expert can identify the assumptions and limitations of the climate models people are using, let alone the rigor required to vett the data.

Your simplification completely misses crucial assumptions about the nature of the feedback response in the hydrological cycle.

Reasonable assumptions about this mechanism can be made anywhere on the span from "Earth is about to become venus" to "Earth is antifragile" depending on your justifications, which is what makes the alarmist and "holocaust comparison" rhetoric so annoying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:46:32 2019 No.10999921 >>10999868 Are you retarded? There was a stop in induced land clearing post 1960's then there was a flatline of acres burned then an increase in area burned by wildfires even though we have not been clearing extra land for agriculture.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:48:11 2019 No.10999926

>>10999906
>Earth is about to become venus
not reasonable, as earth has over the course of 4.543 billion years has had both far higher temps and GHG concentrations.

>Earth is antifragile
on geologic timescales yes.
Humans tend to be worried about the short term though.
So I'll say reasonable but completely irrelevant.

So your point is meaningless, if you want to find out exactly how much feedback occurs, I suggest pursuing a degree in climatology and finding out. The fact that is an option means nothing needs to be taken on faith.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:49:43 2019 No.10999930 >>10999903 >>10999921 Is it AGW causing the increase in wildfires post 1960?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:52:50 2019 No.10999937 >>10999930 https://www.pnas.org/content/113/42/11770

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 13:59:10 2019 No.10999963
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>>10999899
other countries cause way more problems. Additionally, we already have the infrastructure and expertise for waste management. Get rid of the first World and the survivors will find themselves in the exact same place within a generation or two

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 14:05:01 2019 No.10999977 >>10999937 So it's only man made CO2 that can create fuel aridity?

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 14:19:35 2019 No.11000003

>>10999926
>if you want to find out exactly how much feedback occurs, I suggest pursuing a degree in climatology and finding out.

So you just reiterated my point exactly?
A degree in climatalogy is hardly "HS level"

And while yes, the Venusian runaway greenhouse will certainly not occur on Earth, it was the example comparison given by Jim Hansen when he drummed up this whole thing in the early 80s - hence why I used it to bound the alarmist end of the spectrum.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 14:32:56 2019 No.11000030

>>10999773
Eh you don't have to go as far as the middle ages to get a good example

Im a materials scientist

Substitutional and ring methods were considered the dominant explanatations for diffusion until the late 40s - and for good reason, there are astonishingly few vacancies in metals compared to the rate of diffusion.

Then Kirkendall discovered his eponymous effect in his 3rd ever paper, and conclusively showed that actually vacancies are the dominant diffusional mechanism. Of course that paper ended his budging academic career, and he didn't any academic recognition for his work until much, much later in life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 14:49:41 2019 No.11000064 >>10999963 Ok we won't make the oceans clean by killing burgers but that's a lesser concern than the climate emergency.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 14:53:10 2019 No.11000074 >>11000003 Understanding enough information to conclude expert opinion is grounded in reality != knowing literally everything on a subject.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 14:54:22 2019 No.11000076 >>10999963 how did we jump from CO2 to plastic? I mean I don't like plastic waste, but starting WW3 over it seems a little extreme. I guess we could also stop shipping our trash overseas, that might help a little.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 14:54:25 2019 No.11000077

May I ask about your expertise and your stance on climate change? Something like
>degree
>real/hoax
>man made/natural
>we should do something/we should do nothing

I just find it hard to believe that so many /sci/entists ignore scientific research.
>implying, not everyone is larping

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 14:58:50 2019 No.11000093 >>11000074 Both positive and negative feedback assumptions are grounded in reality, but have distinctly different consequences i.e. Determining if expert assumptions are grounded in reality != conclusively determining a decision bound for the problem

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:15:10 2019 No.11000145 >>11000093 if expert opinion is grounded in reality shouldn't we probably examine the experts data? And determine a course of action from there? Otherwise become an expert and provide your own data.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:17:31 2019 No.11000150 >>11000077 > Pursuing a PhD in particle physics > Manmade > Should act

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:19:32 2019 No.11000152 >>11000077 >graduated middle school >hoax >natural >we should do nothing

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:27:37 2019 No.11000171 >>10996922 the fact that they've been saying the world will dramatically end in 10 years since around the 60s makes their arguments less valid desu.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:28:13 2019 No.11000172 >>11000171 Who said that? Please tell.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:29:07 2019 No.11000175 >>11000172 Google it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:34:53 2019 No.11000188 >>11000175 It's so pathetic when people run out of arguments and just say "google it".

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:35:02 2019 No.11000189 >>11000175 I can't find anything that isnt some dumbass journalist can you help me?

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:42:19 2019 No.11000207

>>11000064
>that's a lesser concern than the climate emergency
I don't think so
>>11000076
>how did we jump from CO2 to plastic?
I'm only demonstrating that the environmental issues are all encompassing. Nuking burgers would have less of an effect than you think
>I guess we could also stop shipping our trash overseas, that might help a little
again, our waste management is really not that bad

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:42:35 2019 No.11000208 >>11000175 >Google it Sorry, I didn’t make the claim. That was you. Please prove your claim. Name five scientists that claimed the world would end in “ten years”.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:43:01 2019 No.11000212

>>10998422
>Enviro-tards, slacktivists and clickbait grifters have turned it into a polticial/social issue
It became a political issue as soon as people realized that it didn't matter how few plastic cups they bought each month. The people who need to be held accountable are the ones at the top, and the only ethical way to change them is through politics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:48:20 2019 No.11000223 >>11000208 Published papers only please I really don't care what 1 scientist says in his free time

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:48:53 2019 No.11000228 >>11000212 >and the only ethical way to change them is through politics. No, bullets are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:49:21 2019 No.11000230 >>11000212 I don't see how you came to this conclusion please elaborate

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:54:25 2019 No.11000247 >>11000228 Bullets aren't ethical. Every civilized country in the world has outlawed capital punishment and wars of aggression.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 15:55:46 2019 No.11000251 >>11000207 I don't give a shit if tuna is full of microplastics or mercury if I don't even have water to drink and there are 2 billion refugees in front of my door.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 16:05:32 2019 No.11000274 >>10998996 >worse situation Eh, Im ten years past the expiration date they put on me and feels good to feel better. I'm trying to be careful. Thanks for the strength.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 16:05:43 2019 No.11000276

>>11000230
"living eco-friendly" is a hassle and individual people don't even see their efforts recognized. The climate crisis just gets bigger. Instead, collective effort is needed, and that is done through politics or violence, the latter of which is unethical.

>>11000228
Don't blame the player (owner of big corpo), blame the game (the rules set by government). Just like one person can't be expected to ditch plastic and its convenience, neither can you expect an owner of a large business to ditch fossil fuel and its competitiveness. If you wanna shoot people, shoot the ones who dig it up, but they just want to live life as well.

This is all opinions and guesses.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 16:17:24 2019 No.11000299

>>11000077
Law
Real
Natural
We should bomb Africa and thereby limit population growth since the US, China and India, the only single nations who would have an impact on climate change IF it was manmade, aren't going to do jackshit so it doesn't matter what the rest does

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 16:21:22 2019 No.11000315

Can someone please link a systematic review or metaanalysis confirming the existence of anthropomorphic global warming, not climate change or global warming.
Skeptics, such as myself, believe the climate is changing, it always does.
We also believe the earth is warming, by 1 degrees Celsius over the last 100 years or so.
But where is the evidence that man is causing the warming?
Reports with incomplete data sets do not count!
My opinion is up for changing!
Do you deny that the sun, procession, and other unknown factors have an effect?
Let's have it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 16:33:44 2019 No.11000339 >>11000299 Why bomb africa when we can let Ebola run its coarse then bar the country from the rest of the world once it "can't be contained?" Its still active in the DRC, yeah?

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 16:37:20 2019 No.11000349

>>11000315
>"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)
http://www.aaas.org/sites/default/files/migrate/uploads/aaas_climate_statement.pdf
> "Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/policy/publicpolicies/sustainability/globalclimatechange.html
> "Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)
http://sciencepolicy.agu.org/files/2013/07/AGU-Climate-Change-Position-Statement_August-2013.pdf

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 16:38:23 2019 No.11000353 >>11000315 Meta: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 16:53:00 2019 No.11000386
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>>11000315
>Do you deny that the sun, procession, and other unknown factors have an effect?
I do not deny that the sun has an effect. However, when you compare variations and climate sensitivity (i. e. how strongly something affects the climate), you quickly realize that the effect of carbon dioxide is much higher. A factor of 2 in our CO2 concentration corresponds to a change in solar "brightness" of 2%. (https://doi.org/10.1029/2005JD005776))
If you look at the variation of the solar constant (solar power density that arrives here), it only changed by 0.2% (see picrelated). In the meantime we had an increase of ~50%. Therefore, the increase in CO2 has an effect which is 5 times larger than the maximum effect, solar irradiance could have had.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 16:58:10 2019 No.11000401

>>11000353
Thanks. Let's start with the meta. What does it conclude?
It concludes that..."a consensus of experts say humans are causing warming."
I agree with this! However the study does not go into what percentage of the warming are causing.
The 97% consensus paper states two arguments.
1. The climate is warming...True
2. Humans have a impact...True
I agree with everything in the paper. Now let's get into what percentage of warming are we responsible for, .0001% or 100%. Certainly we should not destroy the global economy for .0001%.
Do you have the research to confirm what percentage of warming is due to humans?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:01:11 2019 No.11000410 >>11000386 Where is solar activity compared to CO2 in this chart? How was solar magnetic flux measured in the 1700's. What it the p value of that study? Does it factor that trees remove CO2 from the atmosphere?

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:07:34 2019 No.11000429

>>11000349
None of these papers have statistical analysis, methodologies or data sets,. It relies on the same "consensus" argument from authority.
I am not denying anything those studies conclude. The fallacy comes in the percentage of change, which they refuse to state because they did not know and why we should destroy capitalism.
I am old enough to remember the same authorities saying we were out of time 30 years ago and sea levels are not rising.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:32:46 2019 No.11000496

>>11000410
It's not in this chart but as I'm you know, thr concentration increased from something like 270ppm to over 400ppm since the industrial revolution.
What's shown here (as it's written there) is a model. There is no p value as it's not ab observation, but assuming, the uncertaintties/imitations of the model are well described, the band gives you a feeling for the uncertainty. But feel free to interpret a factor of 2 or so as an additional uncertainty, the variation is still at the per mill level and the impact on the climate is still negligible with respect to CO2 going from 270ppm to >400ppm

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:38:53 2019 No.11000506

So to answer the question posed by the lovely OP. The reason that "deniers" and "Amerimutts"? are so prevalent is because people actually have independent thought and understand the conflict of interest between the scientific community and the corrupt politicians who fund them. It is not that hard to create a "consensus" if every person reporting the data and non empirical conclusions is being paid by the people who want the fix the problem.
Isaac Newton would not have passed peer review.
Show me anything not propped up by the 97% percent consensus.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:55:32 2019 No.11000553

>>11000496
No offense.. but this is the weakest argument ever.
Is this the entire basis for your 100% belief that humans cause 100% of the warming seen in the last 100 years.
Just know if you crack even a little you are now a denier.
And even maybe a burger or amerimutt or some shit like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 18:13:32 2019 No.11000600 >>11000553 I just disproved the "but solar constant varies" argument. Of course this doesn't prove that humans are 100% responsible. However, once you rule out everything except CO2 and you know who's responsible for the CO2...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 18:18:19 2019 No.11000615 >>11000064 >that's a lesser concern than the climate emergency absolutely not

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 18:21:16 2019 No.11000620

>>11000251
you're already getting refugees.
>don't even have water to drink
nigga wtf? you talkin about acid rain? plastics and mismanaged waste directly affect bodies of water. Chicago reversed the flow of its river to stop their sewage from getting into the drinking water. Have you ever had well water?

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 18:22:32 2019 No.11000623

>>11000401
>I agree with everything in the paper. Now let's get into what percentage of warming are we responsible for, .0001% or 100%. Certainly we should not destroy the global economy for .0001%.
>Do you have the research to confirm what percentage of warming is due to humans?
no one wants to answer this big brained anon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 18:42:33 2019 No.11000688 >>11000623 I wrote something for 10 minutes and accidentally pressed escape ;_; tl;dr read the paper I linked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 18:43:36 2019 No.11000690 >>11000620 I'm talking about droughts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 19:24:59 2019 No.11000826 >>11000600 What percentage of CO2 is emitted by humans vs volcanos cows etc. What is your opinion on the notion that CO2 concentration follows temperature and that the naturally rising temp may contribute to increased CO2 ppm?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 19:27:09 2019 No.11000832 >>11000688 Not an argument. I did read your paper linked. Got 10 more mins to save the earth?

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 19:34:03 2019 No.11000850

>>11000832
>Got 10 more mins to save the earth?
kek
>>11000690
so the water level is rising and we are under threat of droughts, right? why not research better, cheaper ways for desalination, then? I'm sure that some of the more affluent Greek islands already use this process for their non-drinking water. It's used to water the grapes for wine in Santorini. I'm sure if they filtered that water further it would be drinkable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 19:40:10 2019 No.11000863 File: 83 KB, 1113x891, Screenshot_2019-05-25 CT2017 Global - fluxbars_opt_Global pdf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11000826

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 19:45:00 2019 No.11000877

>>11000623
>>11000850
The climate is going to change and we as a species are going to have to adapt. This means improvement everywhere. "Deniers" or more accurately AGM skeptics still want clean air and water but we dont label CO2 as a pollutant. The free market will ultimately succeed in developing technology as the world citizens demand better products and accountability.
You have to at least acknowledge that there would be hypothethecial benefit for corrupt politicians to both gain power and enrich themselves by limiting what the masses are capable of.

Green polices would send millions into poverty.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 19:55:45 2019 No.11000915 >>11000863 >>11000863 Okay, now what? What you have presented is a "model" It states it in that little grey box at the bottom. They are very large uncertainties as well. So you have a model that is making no statement.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 20:21:49 2019 No.11000994 >>11000915 or you could just go to the fucking website instead of asking me to spoonfeed you everything

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 23:32:35 2019 No.11001491
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>>11000077
>PhD Candidate in Materials
>Undergrad in ChemE
>real
>mixed
>do nothing*
* - Im of the opinion that the earth is likely to have negative feedback loops that will stymie warming as we transition to a new equilibrium state
** - by all means try to convert as much of our baseload to nuclear (or hydro); but take it from an electrochemist, please, please don't try to convert our grid into intermittents (solar, wind etc.) + batteries.

>>11000145
M80 there's no data for the hypothetical impact of poorly understood water vapor feedback loops in the future. Hence 'assumptions'.
What I can say is that models have arguably overpredicted warming over the past decade or so (see latest IPCC figure attached) and that we're observing anomalous negative feedbacks such as increased snowfall over Canada and Antarctica.

Long term forecasting is f*cking hard and I recommend that alarmists take a course in stochastic processes

Anonymous Wed Sep 25 03:20:54 2019 No.11001931

>>11000877
>The climate is going to change and we as a species are going to have to adapt
it's been much hotter for humans before. Roman period comes to mind. I think we'll be fine
>we dont label CO2 as a pollutant
I don't either. There are too many other factors
>The free market will ultimately succeed in developing technology as the world citizens demand better products and accountability.
I'm not so sure in this late stage capitalism, but you are right that it's better than the alternative. I don't think the market should be completely free
>You have to at least acknowledge that there would be hypothethecial benefit for corrupt politicians to both gain power and enrich themselves by limiting what the masses are capable of.
that's my main concern. They're literally pushing for totalitarian rule
>Green polices would send millions into poverty.
yup

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 04:12:48 2019 No.11001999 File: 339 KB, 1211x649, 1532177914925.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11000077 >cs dropout >who cares? the only thing we should focus our efforts on is creating genetically engineered catgirls for domestic ownership

Anonymous Wed Sep 25 04:37:45 2019 No.11002035

>>10997175
> We live in capitalist system.
> Capitalist powers that be have huge benefits with certain Narrative.
> Capitalists can always be trusted on Narrative. Never fuddle data or facts

The Narrative is true ANON. YOUR RETARDED and sub80IQ if you think anything else.

See the problem here?

I'm trying to ascertain the truth for myself. The more i digg - the more confused i get and start to question existing 'dogma'.

Anonymous Wed Sep 25 05:00:21 2019 No.11002059

>>11000077
International Relations - Economics.
Real
Natural
The causes and consequences are unclear. There are clear vested interests and political agenda's and we should attempt to reach concensus on real data. We should do 'nothing' but the data will be co-opted to ground vested interests.

Personally i believe that Data is used to cover an agenda and the true scope of things is out of our reach.

Make of that what you will.

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