people want to live on venus

[Anonymous No.10960887]

I wonder if they will be capable of terraforming it someday if they decided to go all the way in, how long would it take?

[Anonymous No.10960895]

>>10960887
Not possible, venus doesnt have tectonic movement so it blows its load in the form of massive volcanic eruptions on the reg

[Anonymous No.10960915]

>>10960887
all you gotta do is nuke it

[Anonymous No.10960936]

>>10960887
>people want to live on venus
Good riddance to those fucks. Need any help, let me know.

[Anonymous No.10960943]

>>10960936
they may manage to live in swarms of zeppelins the size of hindenburg.
perfect for a life of isolation...the thing here is that they may actually make it

[Anonymous No.10960961]

>>10960887
i wanna live on uranus xD

[Anonymous No.10960993]

>>10960943
Would oxygen filled zeppelins float? Would they be a fire hazard?

[Anonymous No.10961022]

>>10960993
Don't need oxygen at that point of tech, you'd probably be using helium or some exotic gas.

[Anonymous No.10961077]

>>10960895
Yeah, but what does "massive" mean in this case? Venus is mostly covered in shield volcanoes. You could get some pretty serious flows but if we're to the point of unironically terraforming Venus into a human-habitable state I think we could deal with that kind of slow activity.

[Anonymous No.10961142]

>>10960887
the most common idea is cloud cities, this could be done fast and needs no terraforming
another approach is to shield Venus from sunlight with some giganormous umbrella and freeze out carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, this would take at least 300 years and and you only get a deep frozen planet with dry ice
to turn Venus in a second Earth you need plate tectonic, there is some volcanism so it's possible, but naturally it would take more then a million years, maybe we can speed it up by crashing asteroids into Venus but how would we do that?

[Anonymous No.10961338]

>>10960887
http://www.worlddreambank.org/V/VENUS.HTM

It's not as impossible you as think it is

[Anonymous No.10961440]

>>10961142
>maybe we can speed it up by crashing asteroids into Venus but how would we do that?
maybe by that point we could actually trigger volcanic forces through sending special bombs designed to incite volcanic activity.

[Anonymous No.10961532]

>>10961440
even a small asteroid crash can release more energy then all bombs on Earth combined

[Anonymous No.10962617]

>>10960895
>on the reg
No. The timescales are immense. Venus has two problems from a plate tectonics standpoint. There is too much sulphur making the rocks soft, and there is too much superheated co2 which prevents lava from cooling. Big, big problems but not insurmountable.

[Anonymous No.10962620]

>>10962617
We could mine all the sulphur (it's useful as a construction material) and send it to space. Then we bottle all of the CO2 in giant pressurized containers and send it to Mars so we can build the atmosphere there.
t. stable genius

[Anonymous No.10962857]

>>10960943
>they may manage to live in swarms of zeppelins the size of hindenburg.
I would visit venus but not live on it so it would be me just seeing what a slightly lower gravity feels like
>perfect for a life of isolation...the thing here is that they may actually make it
I rather use venus as a prison and let the bastards slowly cook to death
they will learn to appreciate life too since at any given second they can drop them down torwards hell out there
a prison break would be foolish since we can doom them at any given second

[Anonymous No.10963056]

>>10962857
>space australia
What would their shitposts be like?

[Anonymous No.10963262]

>>10963056
acidic and sizzling.
blistering.
they would literally be floating barely above baltimore 2020.

[Anonymous No.10963393]

>>10960887
Venus colonization might be practically impossible. Venus might have turbulence that is too strong to build practical Venusian colonies. We have observed clouds on Venus that appear similar to cumulus cloud columns on Earth.
https://mipt.ru/za-nauku/upload/medialibrary/462/Titov_2011_Morph_cloud_top_VEX_monitoring.pdf
This might indicate the existence of thunder storm level turbulence on venus. The real fuck you might come from a recently observed atmospheric wave on Venus. On Earth, atmospheric waves have been known to tear airplanes apart. This may not be the case on Venus as said colonies are much much higher than than the ground, but the fact that we can image the wave means that the ground is interacting with the cloud layer at which our colonies would be. If this wave does produce strong turbulence, there is no way for our colony to avoid it.

[Anonymous No.10963453]

>>10960887
>people want to live on venus
name five

[Anonymous No.10963492]

>>10963393
Very interesting. This is one of the few links I have ever been tempted to consider following. I mean the air is so thick that it is practically a liquid.

[Anonymous No.10964033]

>>10963492
>> I mean the air is so thick that it is practically a liquid.
ehhh.... it's a gas. At the altitude colonies would be at it's not much thicker than air.

[Anonymous No.10964306]

>>10963393
we don't know for sure.
what about sending a weather balloon?

[Anonymous No.10964313]

>>10960887
We can't even get back to the moon. Science at this point only exists to the extent that we can daydream about things like this, and all the universities are just doing research to feed the statistics monster.

[Anonymous No.10964330]

>>10964313

[Anonymous No.10964465]

>>10964306
>what about sending a weather balloon?
we technically have the technology to build a drone zeppelin that can withstand more than 300km/h in winds and lot of pressure, even though its small
so yeah we can totally use teflon to build a cheap weather balloon and sent it to hell

[Anonymous No.10964769]

>>10964306
The Soviets sent two French weather balloons to Venus as part of the Vega program. Peak wind gusts were measured to be 3.5 m/s and there are indications of convection cells of about km in diameter which may be comparable to the size of a well developed colony. That might be worrisome. Akatsuki has also found that winds on the nightside can go as low as 70 km/h in some places which is interesting because Venus atmosphere is supposed to be spinning faster than the planet. This might indicate that the nightside is weirder than we thought:
planetary.org/blogs/guest-blogs/2019/venus-ocean-of-air-and-clouds.html
>>we don't know for sure
we don't know for sure that we can build practical colonies there either. For venus colonies to be practical they need to carry as much payload as possible and last a long time. While extreme turbulence might be rare on venus it might be something our colony has to contend with over its lifetime. Which ideally should be more than 20 years. Low colony lifetimes also mean you can't really colonize venus because you can't build colonies faster than you can replace them. If we have to build an armored colony or a colony that can move we decrease the amount of payload our colony can carry while increasing the cost of building said colony. Increased cost also makes it more difficult to build new colonies faster than they can be replaced. Finding that these once in 20 year events exist by a weather balloon probe might be difficult. But if we observe any at all, then venus colonies are pretty much screwed. Honestly, Akatsuki might be able to give us a pretty good idea if colonies aren't possible.

[Anonymous No.10965219]

>>10964769
>Honestly, Akatsuki might be able to give us a pretty good idea if colonies aren't possible.
I bet so, kinda sad and disappointed that there isn't good news about it but still I would love to sent a teflon coated zeppelin to the planet and properly investigate the planet surface and habitable side of the atmosphere.
maybe even discover the impossible and find photosynthetic black bacteria.
I would love to visit that planet since its the only planet that is earth-like enough.

[Anonymous No.10966683]

>>10964769
>>10965219
I wish they released more data from akatsuki. Venus is very interesting.
>>10964033
Well closer to the surface the co2 is dense enough to behave like a superfluid.

[Anonymous No.10967178]

>>10966683
>>Well closer to the surface the co2 is dense enough to behave like a superfluid.
bullshit. The only thing we know capable of behaving as a superfluid is helium-3 at cryogenic temperatures. It's a supercritical fluid though. There's a huge difference between superfluid and supercritical fluid. Density at the surface is about 64 kg/m^3 which is still way less than the least dense liquid.

[Anonymous No.10967449]

do you guys know that around 50km above the surface of venus there are earth-like conditions?
the pressure around 50km and 53km above the surface is earth like and the temperature is ideal too, from 30°C to 70°C.

[Anonymous No.10967461]

>>10960887
Do you even know how fucked up Venus is?
This is the only planet to revolve backwards, and I think a Venusian day is like 11 Earth days.
Now this means 11 days long night for growing plants.
I don't think it works.

[Anonymous No.10967480]

>>10967461
Ok, I checked it out and it's even worse.
243 days to revolve backwards, meaning 121.5 days of darkness for plants.
I don't even know why people are shilling Venus as a potential colony.

[Anonymous No.10967531]

>>10967480
We use the carbon dioxide as fuel to create fuckhuge rockets which spin the planet

[Anonymous No.10967532]

You know it's the same bullshit as doing a Moon base:
14 days night.
It's why Mars is all the hype, with its 25 hours revolution

[Anonymous No.10967826]

>>10967480
dude, we could just send a damn zeppelin that uses the wind speed to circle the planet in 24 hours.
with winds up to 355km/h it'll be easy to circle the planet in 34 hours, even less if we have means to accelerate.
in fact we should totally send a airship to venus atmosphere and let it travel for a few weeks.

[Anonymous No.10967848]

>>10967531
>We use the carbon dioxide as fuel to create fuckhuge rockets which spin the planet
or build a damn swarm of aircrafts and airships that travel the whole planet and build a megaestructure on maxwell montes.

[Anonymous No.10967850]

>>10960887
I know many that I would send to venus right now

[Anonymous No.10967917]

>>10967850
I suggest to put a prison on maxwell montes, the place is perfect to leave a facility where they'll never get out or escape from.

[Anonymous No.10967952]

>>10967917
if we think about it...thats the only place we can build shit on.
the only place on the whole planet where 1 person could survive a few weeks or even forever if he builded it just right.

[Anonymous No.10968079]

>>10967178
Whatever man. Build the right kind of boat and you can sail on it. Admittedly it would be much more like a submarine.

[Anonymous No.10968791]

venus already has life. We should kill ourselves to stop the spread of the omnicidal human virus.

[Anonymous No.10968792]

>>10968791
You're just answering death with death. That's not progressive.

[Anonymous No.10968793]

>>10960887
Not in your lifetime

[Anonymous No.10969002]

>>10968079

it's still going to be closer to a zeppelin than a submarine. The atmosphere is way less dense than water. However if you have people inside, then it will resemble a submarine in some ways. We will need to have a cramped pressure hull like a sub. It will be some what cramped because to minimize the volume we have to keep cool. And if we ever want to return from the surface, we need to be able to float much higher up in the atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.10969306]

I would totally make a terrarium on venus, inside a zeppelin or something of course.

[Anonymous No.10969929]

>>10960887
Space travel is stupid. It would be easier to terraform inhospitable places on Earth than to terraform Mars or Venus.

[Anonymous No.10969936]

>>10960887
How are we going to fix the runaway greenhouse on Venus if we can't fix it on Earth

[Anonymous No.10970583]

>>10969936
>How are we going to fix the runaway greenhouse on Venus if we can't fix it on Earth
we won't.
we will live on the clouds of venus and maybe on maxwell montes.

[Anonymous No.10970588]

>>10969929
what I don't understand is why haven't we mastered the art of giant terrariums.

[Anonymous No.10970617]

>>10970588
we've tried and we've failed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2
https://youtu.be/LfrlfYQw_d4?t=563

[Anonymous No.10970679]

>>10969002
You are right about the heat. It is the biggest engineering challenge to manned exploration of venus. I suspect that dives to the surface would be time limited. The vessel would need to rise to much cooler altitudes to dump heat. When whatever substance we will use as a temperature modulator cools it would condense. During the dive this heatsink substance would gradually heat up and expand into a gas.

Up and down. Rising high enough and trying to maintain your position on the nightside would be key goals. The pressures are negligible. We can already craft pressure vessels capable of withstanding surface pressure on venus. The heat though... You need insulation and some kind of crazy heatsink substance. It's just so possible.

>>10970588
Pic related.

[Anonymous No.10970683]

>>10970617
>we've tried and we've failed
thats fucking bad yo
had anyone ever tried to make a "green bubble" before?
like coating the inside with cyanobacteria and make them work through the CO2 excess?

[Intermediate Anon No.10970722]

>>10960887
Ayo, check this out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI-old7YI4I

[Anonymous No.10970727]

>>10970617
So it's not just me, humanity is actually fully delusional at the moment.

[Anonymous No.10970758]

>>10970727
Yep.. everyone is starry eyed and looking at the horizon when we're not even going to make it to the next block up the road
>>10970722
>that voice
Why the fuck is Porky Pig narrating youtube videos

[Intermediate Anon No.10970770]

>>10970758
dude, not cool, he was born like that

[Anonymous No.10971549]

>>10970727
>>10970758
We are working on it. Near term issues can be solved. The problem is convincing the plebs. The only way around that step is lots of money.

We aren't leaving for another two decades at least. We are going to try to fix the earth before we leave. I will be honest though. Most of your social issues are your own to deal with. We will attempt to prevent you from destroying your own habitat. We will attempt to prevent population collapse. There is probably still going to be a big war. Maybe.

Don't expect us to do everything for you. We are leaving.

[Anonymous No.10972399]

>>10971549
>Don't expect us to do everything for you.
>We are leaving.
then do so before its too late.

[Anonymous No.10973243]

>>10972399
We will if we have to. We can leave right now. The method would only hasten global catastrophe. It is an option held in reserve.

The real question is; do you care about yourselves? We want to help. There is still time.