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I thought that there was supposed to be something called the Westermarck Effect that discouraged incest between relatives that grew up together. But while it's almost understandable that it happened anyways in the past, especially among royals, due to misunderstanding how it affected the children born of such unions, why do we still hear tales of siblings or cousins that grew up together having "relations", despite KNOWING the risks? I just don't understand WHY.

>> No.10906613

>>10906608
>risks
There are no risks since birth control was invented. You don't have to have children with someone just because you stick their dick in them. Stupid muslim.

>> No.10906614

>>10906608
Because nature covers all avenues
In some rare situations, incest would be better than nothing

>> No.10906629

>>10906608
((())), even exist israel movie about brother and sisters had sex.

Very small communities or religions like ((())) having a lot incest cases

>> No.10906636

>>10906608
>why do we still hear tales of siblings or cousins that grew up together having "relations", despite KNOWING the risks? I just don't understand WHY.
Attractive relatives. People take risks all the time in daily life

>> No.10906642

>>10906608
>>10906613
>>10906614
incest has only ever been considered bad because of its social implications (you could screw up the family social fabric, make someone jealous, break up the family etc.)
This dosent matter in aristocratic families because the marriages are already calculated and planned rationally. The genetic malfunctions of incest is overblown

>> No.10906779
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10906779

>>10906642
>This dosent matter in aristocratic families because the marriages are already calculated and planned rationally. The genetic malfunctions of incest is overblown

>> No.10906804

>>10906642
>incest has only ever been considered bad because of its social implications
wrong, it's bad because it leads to inbred offspring that have numerous mental and physical issues. lookup the strain that inbred pakistanis put on the NHS for example.

>> No.10906816

>>10906804
t. pseud

Why don't you actually educate yourself on the matter. Defects are only caused by limited genetic material. Having children with your relative doesn't matter as long as your children marry outside your family.

>> No.10906831

>>10906804
You literally have to fuck your offspring and fuck their offspring and then fuck their offspring in order for your great great grandchild to have a noticeable defect.

>> No.10906848

>>10906816
>Defects are only caused by limited genetic material.
Defects are caused by dormant recessive genes becoming active by finding the same defective recessive genes in a relative

>> No.10906860

>>10906831
>>10906816
sustained cousin marriages for generations within the same counities is what I'm talking about anons, that why I said to look up the pakistani community for example.

>> No.10908058

because incest is hot

>> No.10908580

>>10908058
Why is it hot, then? Tell me EXACTLY why it's hot.

>> No.10908665

>>10908580
There should be plenty of peer-reviewed papers on a site called exhentai to get you started

>> No.10908678

>>10906608
The incest taboo is purely a social construct. The Westermarck Effect provides all of the incest aversion necessary to ensure the continuance of the species. There is no reason to be revolted by the idea of having sex with your sibling when you can simply be uninterested. The incest taboo actually makes incest more common, since the very act of violating taboos is arousing to many/most people.

>> No.10908683

>>10908678
Based
>>10908580
There's your answer friendo, incest shouldn't even be considered, your main reason for not fucking your sister should be that she's your sister no question, not because of some fuzzy idea that incest is socially unacceptable

>> No.10908699

>>10906608
>Westermarck Effect that discouraged incest between relatives that grew up together.
I dont know where I read this but often incest between relatives happen when they dont actually grow up together in the same household, for example cousins who often socialize but dont live together, or just relatives who dont see each other very often and when they do meet up then they start feeling sexual attraction toward each other.

>> No.10908702

>>10906804
>>10906860
There's very little evidence to suggest that cousin marriages should be banned. Even in countries with extremely high consanguinity, birth defect rates are only 1-2% higher than in Western countries, and part of that effect can be explained by the fact that developing countries even with low levels of consanguinity have elevated rates of birth defects.

>> No.10908728

>>10908702
I can't be bothered to add a red filter and a shaking effect to that picture of Charles of Spain anon posted earlier but just imagine that here

>> No.10908732

>>10908699
Yes. Close relatives are really hot, so nature made it so that we don't want to fuck people we grew up with. Actually being related or not doesn't matter, e.g. adoptive siblings get the same effect.

>> No.10908778

Is there any evidence about Westermarck effect on non-human animals?

>> No.10908780

>>10908778
My female dog repeatedly tried to mount my female cat. Animals don't give a fuck, they just do a fuck.

>> No.10908803

>>10908580
because of the taboo and because it seems kinda weird. Fucking a girlfriend you met in high school and had a crush on her is boring and obvious. Fucking a sister will give you thrills for life. Don't ask me how i know this.

>> No.10908997

>>10906779
reminder that Chucky Two there got laid more than everyone in this thread combined

>> No.10909006

>>10908997
Charlie #2 died young with no children

>> No.10909045

>>10908997
>>10909006
getting laid doesn't actually make you a reproductively sucessful individual.
a truly sucessful individual would be to have as many children as possible, like charlemagne or genghis khan.
if you have as many children as you can, then you are sucessful.
just getting laid and nothing coming out of it...is not something I could call sucess.

>> No.10909073

>>10909045
Based deadbeat dads

>> No.10909076

>>10908997
>reminder that Chucky Two there got laid more than everyone in this thread combined
That's not impressive at all given that everyone in this thread is an incel except me.

>> No.10909087
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10909087

>>10909073
overflow get its right.

>> No.10909088

>>10908728
>>10908997
Chuck had a lot more going on than just a couple of cousins in his ancestry. Plus, it's just another example of the incest taboo not being useful, since it existed at the time and still didn't prevent his birth. And on top of that, he's the result of social pressures bypassing the Westermarck Effect by way of arranged marriages without taking sexual interest into account.

>> No.10909257

Alright gentlemen, we need to gather data and compare.
What are exactly the benefits you get from incest?.
What are the good things incest can bring?.
then we see what are the bad things that incest brings and its drawbacks.
we compare props and cons...and bingo, we'll have our answer.

>> No.10909342

>>10909087
what the fuck is going on?

>> No.10909350

>>10906629
and why do THEY do it smart guy

>> No.10909354

Incest is a really fun way to fuck with people that think they are hyper progressive. Because it's pretty much the last thing sexually that is still taboo. (fucking children or animals will never get ok'd)

But between consenting adults, its the next thing on the civil rights bullshit list.
But its still massively unpopular.
Just ask someone that supports gays if they support incest. When they get weirded out, and they will. Tell them if it was 20 years ago, they would be against gay marriage.
You can see the internal discomfort

>> No.10909381

>>10909354
>fucking children or animals will never get ok'd
Why not? They were okay 100 years ago. The age of consent in Delaware was 7 as recently as the 1960s, and even that only applied to virgin girls. There's no reason why it couldn't become legal again in the next 100 years.

>>10909257
The benefit is the government fucks off and doesn't tell you what you are and are not allowed to consent to. The drawback is that an inconsequential number of people will choose to have incestuous sex (although most of those people probably already are, because it's utterly unenforceable).

>> No.10909395

>>10909381
Because you're alive in the world. As long as your alive. Children fucking animals will not be ok

>> No.10909857

>>10909381
I wonder if the ice ages made a change in our biology that made humans more predisposed to incest.
the harsh conditions and sometimes isolation would have made it hard to get genetic variety if not nearly impossible to do so.
maybe that forced us to actually interbreed with other human species that were suffering from the same dilemma and saved our race by mixing with other people who had inbreeding depression.

>> No.10909985

>>10909395
>I fucking love science!
>Until I'm asked to confront an irrational belief, then fuck science

>>10909857
Seems unlikely, considering that incest is fairly common among our closest relatives, bonobos and chimpanzees. We have a mild to moderate disinclination to fuck immediate family members, that's all.

>> No.10909993

>>10909985
In case I wasn't clear enough, I guess I should point out that the irrational belief I was referencing is that human culture is fixed and modern Western values are universal and timeless, not that fucking kids and cows is okay.

>> No.10910010

number of parents: 2
number of grandparents: 4
number of great-grandparents: 8
...
number of generation (-n): [math] 2^n [/math]

Say, one generation = 30 years:
So I should have [math] 2^{30} [/math] ancestors in 1100.
[math] 2^{30} = 1'073'741'824 [/math]
Population size in 1100: [math]300'000'000[/math].
So there was a lot of incest!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_collapse

>> No.10910155

>>10909985
what a fucking cuck, you thought that was a serious question?

>> No.10910158

>>10908683
what if and this is based on speculation. what if some people didn't grow up with their siblings. so they don't really see them as a sibling.

>> No.10910160
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10910160

>>10909395
>it was alright to fuck children and animals 100 years ago

>> No.10910183

>>10906608
Because a simple Google search shows that Westermarck is flawed.

Westermarck only studied a type of Jewish school of the early 20th century and using records looked for people that met as children and later married. This was proven flawed because most of the children who grew up together were separated before marriageable age leaving them with little opportunity to find a mate from one of their childhood classmates.
Although rare marriages still happened showing that long lasting deep relationships were formed during childhood years of people who lived together to the point where some couples sought each other out years after being separated.
It failed to look at whether sexual relations were happening in these schools, only marriages. Later studies have confirmed that sexual relations are occurring at these schools but for obvious reasons, mostly because they were Jewish religious schools, they were left unreported.
Further studies have confirmed that for children with opposite gender siblings most have their first sexual encounter with a sibling. I'm not meaning full on sex, I mean touching or kissing.

If it weren't for the social taboo against incest some researchers believe incest would be common. Since some cultures did not have taboos against sibling incest, such as medieval Japan where the practice of marrying your sister was so common the word 'Younger Wife' came to mean 'Younger Sister', Egypt during the Ptolemys where sibling incest became the norm, and nearly every royal family ever, we can conclude that direct sibling incest would be far more common if not for such societal taboos.

It's also not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Your genes do not suddenly spontaneously combust if mixed with the genes of a family member and long term incest in some cases has not proven harmful. Incest just isn't as bad as we've been led to believe.

For example
https://drcate.com/icelands-genetic-secrets/

>> No.10910191

>>10910155
Sometimes, I like to go out and sit on a bench and feed the trolls. Fite me.

>>10910158
Then they might have sex together. It's not a big deal though, there's still a very small chance of birth defects. Just look at the Habsburgs. Literally dozens of generations of inbreeding, and yet we're still pointing to Charles II as the "inevitable" result of incest, and not all of his normal looking relatives, who should be just as fucked up if it were really so absolute. Identical twins might be a problem, but anything else typically takes at least a few generations. Parent/child is a coinflip on breeding a potato, and damn near guaranteed on the second iteration.

>>10910160
It was literally legal to fuck 7 years olds 60 years ago. Go ahead and look it up. It's cute watching you go through the same discomfort you were just bragging about causing in others.

>> No.10910208

>>10910183
Informative

>> No.10910637
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>>10910191
>It was literally legal to fuck 7 years olds 60 years ago
oh boi, not him but I am actually shocked.
this is jew level for me, yes jewish children had a predisposition to be more sexual than the rest, anne frank was very explicit.

>> No.10910893

>>10906779
lol, imagine that was done by a paintor who knew he had to make him look as good as possible while still recognizable or face death and torture if he failed and thats STILL the best he could portray him. The absolute state of those genes

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>>10906642
is that why 70% of all paki children are born malformed?

>> No.10910932

>>10910903
Birth defect rate in Pakistan is about 7.5%, roughly 25% higher than the global average.

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>>10909857
inbreeding depression in multiple tribes may had drive them to overlook strangers and add them into their genes
neanderthals and denisovans may had suffered from it and humans may have been their saviors and viceversa
ice age and very few people to reproduce with will eventually drive the tribe to suffer from the founder effect
when its up to a crisis incest in some form becomes a defense mechanism of somesort
since there is no one else to reproduce except your relative then you tend to overlook details in order to preserve yourself
>pic semi-related

>> No.10910967

>>10910932
in the ice age it was even worse

>> No.10911041

>>10910903
you should also post some of those statistics that incels always go to, I know you have quite a few in your folder

>> No.10912738

>>10906608
>the Westermarck Effect
...is real, but not inviolable.

>> No.10912771

>>10908702
Unfortunately while the birth defect risk for normal healthy populations between first cousins shows a relatively small increase, in places like pakistan first cousin marriages are preferred and arranged, doing this for hundreds if not thousands of years has lead to the concentration of defective genes due to everyone being closely related.

>> No.10912801

>>10912771
See: >>10910932

>> No.10912900

>>10909088
they married at the aunt and uncle level

>> No.10912906

>>10906779
People have carried out studies on the whole hapsburg incestuous lineage and mapped out patterns of purging harmful genes across the generations with differential fertility rates and gradually reducing child mortality down the generations
charles 2nd is always the poster boy but he was only ever one single purgable blood line compared to the hapsburg dynasty as a whole. honestly you will see something similarish among the jewish banking dynasties like the rothchilds, or the old scottish and japanese clan systems

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>>10906779
I counter your one single example with one single example.

Known in ancient times as the most beautiful woman in the world who courted Julius Caesar himself and changed the future of the world.

Who's parents were direct siblings. Who's grandparents were direct siblings. Who's bloodline barely branched for 200 years.

>> No.10913120

>>10906608
>Westermarck Effect
Only if the society enforces it. If you live in a society where being gay is met with death penalty, gays would hide themselves. We could call that "Corrective Gay Effect" but it means nothing on biology. Its just a society's rule. Incest is so looked down upon western society that even in fiction, its taboo. You could call that "Christian society effect" and again its not related to biology.

>> No.10913339

>>10910932
So it's literally nothing if you can cull or abort those offspring

>> No.10913343

>>10912906
What do you mean by purge

>> No.10913346

>>10913108
incest can be beneficial to those who don't have any type of genetoc defect.

>> No.10913349

>>10909395
Yea it will not be okay but its legal in Canada checkmate

>> No.10913940

>>10913343
things died and purged themselves from the genome

>> No.10914097

>>10909354
>fucking children or animals will never get ok'd
Have you been living under a rock for, say, an entire decade?

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10914102

>>10910637
>anne frank was very explicit

>> No.10914136

>>10914097
Did fucking animals get legalized recently? I must have missed it.

>> No.10914240

>>10914136
Beastiality is legal in several states in the U.S., although I believe this is because they simply haven't gotten around to addressing the issue.
Canada, however, have intentionally authorized oral sex with animals. So dog blowjobs are a thing.

>> No.10914253

>>10908058
you don't love a stranger the way you love a family member

>> No.10914257

>>10914240
Did it boost butter sales to lonely ladies?

>> No.10914261

>>10906608
The only “risk” is that unhealthy children could result. Just don’t have children from incest lol

>> No.10914266

>>10914136
Nothing wrong with fucking animals

>> No.10914270

>>10914266
insert joke about a certain pigmented human subpopulation

>> No.10914278

>>10914270
The Welsh?

>> No.10914322

>>10914278
not quite no
/pol/'s second favourite hate group and favourite word.

>> No.10915080

>>10914261
Yeah just don't

>> No.10915194
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10915194

>>10914102
its not a joke, the jews are more lecherous than you can believe.
they are really more prone to be super sexual than regular, even jewish children can be quite lewd with shit.
just search about what they omitted about what anne frank wrote and you'll see that she wasn't a saint or this pure little thing everyone seems to make her.
she was really sexual and very open minded about it, nonchalanty talking about exploring her sexuality and stuff with the other kids as if she was talking about the damn weather.
if she lived in the modern era then without a shadow of a doubt she would lurk 4chan and be an active porn writter, maybe even draw porn.
if she saw that people drew lewd stuff about her, she would probably be elated.
I doubt she would mind inbreeding and probably pull an einstein and marry her cousin.
jewish people are really prone to incest now that I think about it.
>pic related
>she said "oi vey, what should I do with all this fanart? I'll go mad!"

>> No.10915863

>>10915194
Memes are not reality

>> No.10916081

>>10906608
yeah i have no fucking idea. it gross the shit out of me. i don't even want to touch any of them. i'd only let my grandma hug me because she was old and it was pointless to tell her to fuck off, but besides that..

to me it isn't even so much about the "risks". once an idiot told me to sex my own parents, so i asked him if i wanted to take care of my retarded children, and he replied with "what about fucking your dad" LMAO
maybe i don't fuck my dad cause my dad can't possibly be my gay boyfriend cause he is already my dad? maybe also cause purposely fucking old people is just as retarded as incest? but i guess those lines are completely blurred when you're a degenerate who wants to fling the entire world. how do you even explain this to a meme person? it is like explaining the benefits of monogamy to sasha grey, why would you?

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10916122

>>10915194
>exploring her sexuality and stuff with the other kids
>tfw no anne frank classmate to molest little me on the playground

>> No.10916159

>>10914322
The Welsh are known to be the shitskins of Europe

>> No.10916164

>>10916081
>t. 80 iq

>> No.10916170

>>10916159
I was going for the sheepfucking angle

>> No.10916181

>>10906608
>despite KNOWING the risks

One generation of incest actually has no measurable increase in birth defects. It's the second and third generation that are the freak show. So don't fuck your sister then rape your daughter.

>> No.10916246

>>10916164
t. rationalize sexing dogs

>> No.10916534

>>10916181
>fuck your sister then rape your daughter
That's hot
Someone post that image

>> No.10916870

>>10915194
r34 was a mistake

>> No.10916879

>>10906608
People with several genetic diseases, for example diabetes, still get married.
One knows getting fat is bad, but it still happens.

>> No.10917017

>>10915863
>Memes are not reality
Indeed.
except anne frank explicit writting and jewish inclination torwards incest.

>> No.10917026

>>10916870
too late to be regretting that.

>> No.10917034

>>10916870
r34 was inevitable

>> No.10917048

What about those inbred blue Americans? That's a badass inbred malformation. Being a Smurf

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10917416

>>10917048
>Yo, listen up, here's a story
>About a little guy that lives in a blue world
>And all day and all night and everything he sees is just blue
>Like him inside and outside
>Blue his house with a blue little window and a blue Corvette
>And everything is blue for him
>And himself and everybody around
>'Cause he ain't got nobody to listen
>I have a blue house with a blue window
>Blue is the color of all that I wear
>Blue are the streets and all the trees are too
>I have a girlfriend and she is so blue
>Blue are the people here that walk around
>Blue like my Corvette, it's in and outside
>Blue are the words I say and what I think
>Blue are the feelings that live inside me

>> No.10918361

>>10917416
Is that an actual song?

>> No.10918498

>>10918361
There's a song about everything

>> No.10918664

>>10918361
>>10917416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlMHdhf0nvE

>> No.10918710

>>10906804
>>10906779

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreeding_depression
>Generating intermediate genotypes that are less fit than either parental form. For example, selection in one population might favor a large body size, whereas in another population small body size might be more advantageous, while individuals with intermediate body sizes are comparatively disadvantaged in both populations. As another example, in the Tatra Mountains, the introduction of ibex from the Middle East resulted in hybrids which produced calves at the coldest time of the year

Also;

>http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2012-03-02-chimps-show-much-greater-genetic-diversity-humans

Any two humans vary by 1-in-1000 SNPs;

>https://m.phys.org/news/2018-05-special-humanity-tiny-dna-differences.html
>The typical difference within a species, including humans, is 0.1% or 1 in 1,000 of the "letters" that make up a DNA sequence.

0.1% of 3,234,830,000 basepairs = 323,483,000. Most of this diversity has occured because different branches of people were isolated;

>The 0.1% average genetic diversity within humanity today corresponds to the divergence of modern humans as a distinct species about 100,000—200,000 years ago—not very long in evolutionary terms

Many of these basepairs are part of 'runs of homozygosity,' which go from, as an example, AG in most humans, to AA or GG in incest populations. This is the same mechanism that populations used to fix themselves for blond hair and blue eyes.

There is no genetic diversity to gain. What you will lose if you breed 'out of the family' is homozygosity for your race/ethnicity's special traits. Outbreeding also causes massive practical issues in modern medicine;

>https://www.sbs.com.au/news/why-mixed-race-minorities-struggle-to-find-life-saving-transplant-matches
>An uncomfortable truth
>The likely reason is as uncomfortable one – Ms Raferty’s mother is Hungarian and her father is a white Australian

>> No.10918818

>>10918710
>>https://www.sbs.com.au/news/why-mixed-race-minorities-struggle-to-find-life-saving-transplant-matches
>>An uncomfortable truth
>>The likely reason is as uncomfortable one – Ms Raferty’s mother is Hungarian and her father is a white Australian
But they're the same race according to /pol/. There's only one white race. The white race. Hungarians and white Australians are the same race and therefore there should be no issues with finding organs

>> No.10918887

>>10918818

>But they're the same race according to /pol/. There's only one white race. The white race

The white race was created by the fusion of at least three different races, followed by massive incest and bottlenecks. Not everyone who lives in Europe is a result of these ancient population movements, and came later.

>Hungarians and white Australians are the same race and therefore there should be no issues with finding organs

This thread is about incest, remember. The claim is that incest is bad for health - well, just a little bit of outbreeding causes this.

Mixed race people don't display hybrid vigor. There isn't enough genetic difference to matter whether you breed with your sister or a black African. The only differences between whites and blacks are based on a few tens of thousands of alleles that make these facts true;

>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016028960200137X
>African-descended people (Blacks) average cranial capacities of 1267 cm3, European-descended people (Whites) 1347 cm3 [...] It must be concluded that the race differences in average brain size are securely established [...] Blacks average an IQ of 85, Whites 100

Aside from the SNPs that make Africans dumber and darker, *there is no significant genetic difference between blacks and whites.* There's no genetic diversity that can be gained from breeding with even the most distant person - all you'll do is change a whole bunch of homozygotic AA or GG's to AG. And the result of this will be that your kids won't be able to get organs, because they need an AG and all the blacks and whites are AA or GG.

And everything is effected this way. Lipid metabolism for instance - whites and blacks are adapted to different diets, hence why celiac disease is more common among whites, and most common among white ethnicities without a long involved history of plant food consumption.

>> No.10918894

>>10918887
Can people in the white race share organs?

>> No.10918897

>>10910010
It seems so!

>> No.10918930

>>10918894
Yes.
but people with -O can donate to everybody BUT can't receive anything.

>> No.10918954

>>10915194
She was 15
In case you were not aware, this is something 15 year olds do.
Or have you forgotten when you started jerking off to porn?

>> No.10919413

>>10918954
>Or have you forgotten when you started jerking off to porn?
18?...anyhow, I am surprised to see how lewd that girl was.

>> No.10919479

>>10917017
could it be that humans had gained an in-group preference over the years?
that incest is an actual defense mechanism to preserve one existance and bloodline?
maybe some of us are still in the tribal mentality if they show preferences to incest.

>> No.10919495

There is literally nothing wrong with incest in moderation.

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>>10919413
>18

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>>10919495
Elaborate.
are there actual benefits besides wincest?.

>> No.10919550

3rd cousins are statistically speaking the optimum for reproductive success.

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>>10919550
>3rd cousins are statistically speaking the optimum for reproductive success.
real shit? there are actual benefits coming from incest?...but why? what causes your 3rd cousin to be so optimal?.

>> No.10921730

>>10920739
Who are these two?

>> No.10921759

>>10919508
Purging of bad genes

>> No.10922374

>>10920739
something to do with a tradeoff between gene compatibility and deleterious recessives or diversity

>> No.10922567

>>10921730
the girl is jolyne and she likes tom cruise...
the boy is giorno and he has a dream.

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>>10916122

>> No.10924279

>>10923483
Yeah I cringed too

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10924516

if there were people who didn't have any genetic defect or sickness that is passed down, would incest truly be a bad thing for them?

>> No.10924784

>>10924516
No. Then incest would be perfectly fine.

>> No.10924838

>>10924516
Inbreeding is used specifically in livestock breeding to identify and remove these dangerous recessives look at linebreeding

>> No.10925199

>>10924516
>>10924784
I just realized that if we used eugenics and created a new race from us, then incest wouldn't be seen as an actual problem from the future generations perspective.
Think about it, the reason why inbreeding is bad is only because there is a higher chance to pass down a genetic defect or genetic disease.
If the individuals in question don't have any genetic problems or something negative that will passed down...what do they have to worry about?

>> No.10925213

>>10925199
go look up line 1 herefords and the 80 year breeding study.

>> No.10925228

I just finished watching Through a Glass Darkly by Bergman. Was recommended that film after Jacob's Ladder. Did not expect that tidbit.

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>>10925213
that was fascinating.
didn't knew you could get such results from inbreeding or rather linebreeding.
we humans could benefit from it...its that why arranged marriages existed? to get better genes for your offsprings?.

>> No.10925437

>>10925396
there are issues with it as a policy, since it is mostly a breeding experiment and they only have 250 breeding females at any one time, but it does allow the rapid purging of deleterious mutations
I came across the unit after looking into pine bank aberdeen angus breeders in new zealand
honestly the old guy who used to write his breeding blog there can tell quite the anecdote

but I stick to the two key principles
1)There is no end to the improvement in anything biological. It will slow down, but it will go on.
and
2) A sire is only as good as the average of his sons
livestock breeding is a tough business to do right.

>> No.10925491

>>10916181
why rape? concensualyl fuck your sister then your daughter

>> No.10925492

>>10925437
found it.
The old boy seemed to lose his faculties towards the end but it was a good read
http://pinebank.co.nz/newsletter.php

it's certainly a preferable more sustainable agricultural philosophy than the over industrialised model that seeks to adapt to destroy

>> No.10925493

>>10916081
out of all the people in this thread you are the one who most desperately wants to have sex with your relatives, including (both) your parents

read freud

>> No.10925495

>>10925493
>read freud
eww

>> No.10925505

>>10906608
Didn't read all this xrap but calling bull crap. When I was five I wanted to marry my mother. When I was fourteen I wanted to fuck my cousin. (Funny, auto complete would not even help me with the last sentence.) I still wish that I humped my cousin. I am old, fat and grey and she is still seventeen years old. This is normal! Are you fuck wads going to tell me that there is some ingrained garbage that prevents "normies" from feeling thusly? That is because they do not want to admit feelings. This seems more like /adv/.

>> No.10925515

>>10925505
cousins maybe.

>> No.10925530

>>10908058
Based hillbilly

>> No.10925691

>>10925493
>degenerate projection
it is hilarious how literally every group of degenerates (apart from paedophiles. which is a shame. i'd report every single one of them) does this shit when confronted not even with opposition, but someone merely expressing that they aren't into fringe retarded sex

it is virtually impossible for me to share of every random insane sexual preference, fetish and mental illnesses that you retards may have. it takes a broken piece of shit like you to rationalize introversion like that, and then say that i actually want the exact opposite of whatever i've been doing for years and years. you're just completely clueless

and no i am not reading about the "oedipus complex" or whatever unscientific naive, paedo apologia, that has been long refuted and abandoned. you go and post this garbage on /pol/. that's not science, it is retarded garbage

>> No.10925820

>>10906608
Feels good, is extremely hot and you can be pretty sure the person you're fucking actually loves you, which nowadays has become about as rare as ball lightning.

>> No.10925824

>>10906779
Took literally hundred of years of sustained, meticulous incest within one family line. The idea that you're just gonna fuck your sister and a flipperbaby automatically comes out is pure brainlet shit.

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>>10925824
reminded me of this one

>> No.10926415

we should continue this thread, [spoiler]I incest[spoiler]

>> No.10926419

>>10926415
[math]incest[/math]

>> No.10926464

>>10908678
>The incest taboo actually makes incest more common, since the very act of violating taboos is arousing to many/most people.
Hold up there anon you cant just bring up a well observed phenomenon from the field of P S Y C H O L O G Y on this board.

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>>10925691
>"oedipus complex" or whatever unscientific naive, paedo apologia, that has been long refuted and abandoned
later that day
>yeah so this dream I had was insane, my subconcious is fucked

freuds face when

>> No.10926578

>>10916081
>you're a degenerate who wants to fling the entire world
so all men then, including you

Is it just the last dregs of summer or has this board actually been infested by idiots?

>> No.10926600

who /loudhouse/ here

>> No.10926680

>>10925691
>>degenerate projection
lol, you think you can shit on freud and claim im projectin on the same post without automatically being considered ignorant?

>> No.10926719

>>10926570
>later that day
and later that day i will go on with living MY life while ignoring your irrelevant inputs

>yeah so this dream I had was insane, my subconcious is fucked
so tell me, is it haram to dream? good dreams = bad? bad dreams = bad? and who is being fucked? how do dreams work? is this supposed to make any sense? is this even English? is this real life?

>freuds face when
oohh his face probably looked so beautiful!!! he said so much bullshit during his life that he got oral cancer, and the pain was so unbearable he had to commit suicide god damn

and by the way, you didn't address anything i said. you just decided type a load of nonsense and upload a meme of a terrorist, which comes as seemingly out of context. but i will reiterate hoping that this time you will get the memo: oedipus complex is literature. not science. thank you
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/oedipus-complex-study-withdrawn/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226704939_The_Role_of_Sexual_Imprinting_and_the_Westermarck_Effect_in_Mate_Choice_in_Humans
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17915648
https://psycnet.apa.org/buy/1996-00446-003
this shit will never be replicated. you have nothing, there is ZERO evidence, nada. your generalizations are painfully stupid. i don't have to listen to it. and by parroting a century old nonsense you're doing nothing but outing your own fetishes. you're not describing me, you're describing something about yourself, and i don't care about that

>>10926578
there is no "ALL". there is YOU, a retarded piece of shit, and there is ME. i am not your conjoined twin, i am a completely separate individual, of a completely different background. i have different values, a different personality. i am not equal to you, i have never been equal to you, i will never be equal to you. put this in your head. and i also don't care about you and your inclinations or values

>> No.10926720

>>10926719
schizophrenia

>> No.10926730

>>10926719
>while ignoring your irrelevant inputs
you cant ignore your subconcious,y our whole life is determined by it.

Being so noticeably offended shows hot true this is for you, this concept is called "resistance"

>>10926719
>so tell me, is it haram to dream? good dreams = bad? bad dreams = bad? and who is being fucked? how do dreams work? is this supposed to make any sense? is this even English? is this real life?

Psychoanalisis is hard, if you expect to learn it in a few sentences youre in for a big surprise, the fact that you want to quickly equate it to a couple of troll phrases shows how much you are terrified of what it really means.

>>10926719
>e said so much bullshit during his life that he got oral cancer
how can you be against the subconcious and still believe in somatic conditions?

>> No.10926735

>>10926719
>>10925691

it doesnt take a professional psychologist to see you are triggered to hell and back, and every single thing you say is damage control.

>> No.10926736

>>10926680
i can use any word i want. freud doesnt own english. and i dont care how im addressing that user, he may indeed be a degenerate, or not, or just a shill, or stupid. he has a personal reason to say that and i dont care.

>> No.10926764

>>10926720
retardation

>>10926730
and here i thought: there is no way someone can ignore 4 links saying that you're full of shit, but apparently you can

and the cancer statement was a joke. do i really need to say that? LMAO
is there a bullshitmeter somewhere? who defines what is bullshit or not? a genious like you? an omniscent God? your incestuous paedophilic mother?

>>10926735
and all it takes is someone literate in english to see that youre attacking my character to pass literature as science

>> No.10926771

>>10926736
you may use any word you want, without knowing what it means

>> No.10926775

>>10926764
whatever you say mother fucker

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>>10926719
Youre so retarded that you dont realize a bunch of the ideas concerning psychology that you take for granted also came from Freud, yet you claim he was a pseud and hack.
>but im different!
You are a human male, your biological imperative is to procreate, due to our species mating dynamic and kin type fucking as many women as possible increases your chances of procreation. Welcome to evo biology 101. Please attempt to argue against this so I can see every anon flame you into oblivion.

>> No.10926784

>>10926771
i do. its on the dictionary

btw in case anyone is wondering, cigarettes are very real and cause cancer.

>> No.10926806

>>10926779
i didnt say i was different because i want to be different. i said your shit isnt supported by evidence and posted sources, and therefor it cant randomly apply to me

it doesnt matter how much freud contributed to psychology

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>>10926600
I somehow knew you guys would show up sooner or later...well its not unwelcomed since out of all fandoms you guys know the best about inbreeding and everything that had to do with it.
how did you even found this thread?

>> No.10926821

>>10926784
>>10926806
lol motherfucker is so triggered, didnt you read the thread? its ok as long as its just one generation, just give in, fuck your mother, its what you really want

>> No.10926825

>>10926821
Mother son incest is actually the most deleterious genetically speaking.

>> No.10926829

>>10926825
dont ruin it for him. What can we arrange for repression anon? a sister? a cousin?

>> No.10926895

>>10926825
why? age?

>> No.10926955

>>10926820
/sci/ is the home board for Loud House fans as we're all extremely high IQ.

>> No.10926962

>>10926895
Recombinant genetics. Impregnating your daughter is stastistically better than sister or mother. Cousins are also safe as long as it's not more than a generation of inbreeding.

>> No.10926976

>>10926962
can we rank it?

>> No.10926983

>>10926976
daughter=first cousin>sibling>mother

>> No.10926992

>>10926983
daughter is the best?

aunt, niece, nephew? grandad grandma? grandkid?

>> No.10927010

>>10926983
>>10926992
third cousins=half-siblings>first cousins>siblings=aunt>daughter>mother

>> No.10927021

>>10927010
females share more dna with sibling than father

>> No.10927024

>>10927010
this has to be the most scientific thread ive seen here like ever

>> No.10927027

inb4 none of this actually happened and OP is a delusional schizo

>> No.10927029

>>10927021
how about the combos, impregnating your daughter, then she has a daughter with someone else and you impregnate that

>> No.10927121

>>10926806
>being a human doesnt apply to me
>it doesnt matter what he contributed, one thing invalidates everything
Holy shit lmao, you were actually dropped on the head as a child.

>> No.10927175

>>10927121
>made up literature that didn't produce ANY evidence for several decades doesn't apply to me or anyone
>it doesn't matter what he may have contributed. i am discussing ONE subject, i am not addressing everything that he has ever produced during his ENTIRE life
fixed

>you were actually dropped on the head as a child.
and you don't even have a brain. these are two of the most retarded strawmans i have ever seen, are you even talking to me?

>> No.10927262

>>10906642
Then check this out.
https://pjmedia.com/blog/the-problem-of-inbreeding-in-islam/

>while British Pakistanis accounted for just 3.4% of all births in Britain, they accounted for 30% of all British children with recessive disorders and a higher rate of infant mortality.
>The risk of having an IQ lower than 70 (criterion for being "retarded") increases 400 percent among children from cousin marriages.

>> No.10927342

>>10927262
Then why is my IQ 120 even though I'm a paki with cousin parents. I'm doing better in life than most outbred whites.

>> No.10927616

>>10926962
how does it affect recombinant dna more? is this due to meiosis?

>> No.10927620

>>10909087
he reached 99% relatedness

>>10909342
shitty meme series, called school days and the author's wider universe

>> No.10927881

>>10927029
oh...tomaru sawagoe had already been there and done just that.

>> No.10927891

>>10927342

could it be that you're doing better *because* of those outbred whites?

>> No.10927897

>>10927891
anon, don't destroy his fantasy.
let him enjoy and think he is better than everybody else.

>> No.10927912 [DELETED] 

>>10927897

it was just a question. for all i know he could be living in pakistan and his success could have nothing to do with "white people" at all. but otherwise, i'd like them to consider that maybe his success did not occur in a vacuum or at no expense to western society.

>> No.10927918

>>10927897

it was just a question. for all i know he could be living in pakistan and his success could have nothing to do with "white people" at all. but otherwise, i'd like him to consider that maybe his success did not occur in a vacuum

>> No.10927924

>>10927620
so...I just investigated about swag-kun here and a fucking whole town mininum would be related to him.
this is ghengis khan level.
do you imagine a whole town being related to one man? jesus fuck.
in fact, do you imagine the 75% of a whole new generation of a city being related to 1 man?.

>> No.10927935

>>10927924
As I said it's a trash series. and most of the characters are insane

>> No.10927998

>>10926719
This is how a man in denial about wanting to fuck his mom looks like

>> No.10928077

>>10927998
this is what science denial looks like

>> No.10928144

>>10928077
Just fuck your mother already

>> No.10928173

>>10928144
>la la la i am not listening

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10928498

What’s going on here lads?

>> No.10929294

>>10928498
Yeah, what?

>> No.10929555

>>10908580
Incest type stuff is really just the avenue I have to get what I consider truly hot, which is a deep emotional outpouring that's positive and supporting from an older woman while also making her spray her own cum everywhere. Closest thing to that in porn/sex life stuff is mommy shit. So therefore I exclusively watch mommy incest vids and live mommy/daddy relationships. Itll be hot to someone else for a totally different reason

>> No.10929574

>>10928498
ah you know?
keeping it in the family and stuff

>> No.10929582

>>10906608
it is 1%

>> No.10929906

>>10928498
nothing, just alabama.

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>>10928498
this

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>incest is good there is nothing to worry about anon

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>>10928498

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>>10930067
>MFW there is a motherfucking video
jesus cumdumping christ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNr5FyZp9rI

>> No.10930922

this thread is quite the southern sweet home

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>> No.10931106

>>10930922
But /pol/ says southern inbreeding is a myth and that it's only the pakis and muslims that do it.

>> No.10931306

>>10931106
well...whites like to keep it in the family if you catch my drift.

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>>10931306
Well you're pretty cucked if you don't

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>>10931306
right...

>> No.10931367

>>10931349
I'll give you that one...I am surprised.
I swear incest is becoming more common, I looked for porn and there is at least 1 video on the search bar that has incest or a incest theme.
I don't know dude but something tells me that incest will become a lot more common.
I know there is a pattern and cause for this result.

>> No.10931377

>>10931349
Yet all porn videos being produced in America have the tag step sister or step mother?

>> No.10931404

>>10908699

If you live with a sibling/cousin since you were children, this mean you are from the same group, and share/bring the same resources. So searching out if the well enstablisment grouop is needed to forge alliances and bring new resources. I know this is a more sociological explanation but something tell me that the base for this behaviour is written in our flesh too...

>> No.10931421

>>10931367
>>10931377
I'm not sure what the deal is with porn.
You don't need such a large population to avoid inbreeding problems but people are moving all over the world these days. I'd say if there are health risks these days it's the breakdown of co-adaptive gene complexes as people become more mixed

>> No.10931439

>>10931421
That's true. We also need to purge dysgenic traits from the population. We need to sanction first cousin marriage and make it mandatory and then sterilize or abort the offspring that seem to have markers of genetic defects

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>>10906608
because its hot

/thread

>> No.10931516

>>10931439
or make eugenics cheap and easy.
also incest is already penalized by law with severe punishment in many places.
so eugenics and a future generation later and we'll see positive results.

>> No.10931529

>>10931516
Incest shouldn't be penalized. With eugenics it's good.

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>>10929294
>>10929555
>>10929955
>>10930067

I meant more all the discussion about Anne Frank

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>>10929906

That’s very rude anon

>> No.10931656

>>10931635
well, since you incest~
what would you like to talk about, her unusual sexual behavior or something like that?
>>10931639
I heard the rumor that if a white girl in the south can run faster than her brothers, she is a virgin.
is that true?

>> No.10931661

>>10931529
this sparked my curiosity, would eugenics essencially defeat or give a brutal victory to inbreeding and incest?
because the whole point of incest being bad is essencially passing down genetic diseases or defects to your offspring.
but with eugenics, incest would be pointless, with no genetics diseases or defect to pass down then there is no fear or worries on it, you can indulge all you want and there will be no consequences.

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10931669

Girls with the Anne Frank phenotype are goddesses and I want to pump my seed into them.
God's chosen indeed.

>> No.10931685

>>10931669
I don't know man...they unnerve for some reason.
I think they can be quite degenerate.

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>>10931656
>what would you like to talk about, her unusual sexual behavior or something like that?

The impact of a Confederate victory in the American Civil War on her fertility. Specifically the chances of her becoming pregnant.

>>10931656

No, don’t listen to such nonsense.

>> No.10931886

>>10931661
This is the future Islam and Judaism want us to achieve

>> No.10932458

>>10931886
to keep it in the family?

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>>10930067
>>10930100

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>>10908803
Spill the beans anon

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>>10908803
was what her age anon?

>> No.10933968

the real problem with incest is not the recessive diseases but the erosion of adaptive capacity.

>> No.10934076

>>10933968
I know I may be demanding too much but can you give us a in-deep explanation?
is it because the lack of variety will make us vulnerable to diseases and viruses in the long run? or it is something else entirely?

>> No.10934372

>>10908580
I find incest porn hot, but feel disgusted when thinking about sleeping with my close family

>> No.10934410

>>10931669
...are you calling yourself God?
Delusioned/10 confirmed

>> No.10934684

>>10934076
That would be wrong because incest doesn’t reduce genetic diversity at all. It concentrates genes of a family within that family, but there’s countless hundreds of millions of families so there’s so much diversity. A disease that wipes out one family has a low chance of wiping out another because they aren’t that highly related to each other.

>> No.10936267

bumpera

>> No.10936331

CRISPR will do for incest what Howard Hughes did for commercial aviation.

Soon enough everyone's going to be fucking their mothers, sisters AND daughters. And knocking them up, too.

>> No.10936350

>>10929964
>consumes silver
>turns blue
>retard anon pretends it has anything to do with incest

>> No.10936386

>>10934684
still...it makes me wonder if there will be after effects from inbreeding despite using eugenics.
will it cause you and your family become at some point incompatible with other humans?.

>> No.10936401

>>10936386
Yes. So it can be kind of scary

>> No.10936461

>>10936331
>>10936386
>>10936401
its this how humans rised?
from chimps inbreeding and getting lucky?
and is this how we will diversify after we go and colonize other worlds?
through eugenics + incest we will give birth to other races?
some families inbreed so much that they become their own new branch of humans?

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>>10936350
>retard anon doesn't realize i posted a meme pic
>he also played resident evil 7 and thought that was all fiction

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>>10936526
>>retard anon doesn't realize i posted a meme pic

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>>10936526
>>retard anon doesn't realize i posted a meme pic

>> No.10936647

>>10936620
okay man i will explain it to you like you're a retarded toddler

do you see smurf guy? that file is titled "fugate family", but he isn't a real fugate. their real pics are old, no where as good as that one, so i decided to go with the wrong pic on purpose.

>> No.10936807

>>10936461
Exactly. But in 40k the humans protect the main human form by forcing interconnections and killing most mutants.

>> No.10937344

>>10936461
Yes
The sad realization that we were a fluke must be pretty shocking
We have the lowest genetic diversity among apes
Our species will fragment into who knows how many new human species after eugenics and incest do their magic

>> No.10937352

>>10937344
Okay. Changing my stance on incest. Outbreeding is my friend now. We cannot afford to fragment this species

>> No.10937375

>>10937352
so...only improve the human race through eugenics but avoid incest entirely?
I am not so sure, maybe instead of branching off they become their own ethnicity

>> No.10937389

>>10937344
>we can make blacks and jews incompatible with humanity
>through eugenics and incest we can actually divide the ethnicities of the planet into their own races
/pol/tards will be salivating at the prospects

>> No.10937391

>>10937375
Ethnicities are fine I suppose.

>> No.10939160

>>10931473
What MAKES it hot, then?

>> No.10939193
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>>10932870
>was what her age

>> No.10939338

>>10927175
>i am discussing ONE subject
really because here that is not what you said
>>10925691
>"oedipus complex" or whatever unscientific naive, paedo apologia, that has been long refuted and abandoned
>or whatever
Generally lying loses you arguments anon. Its time for some hard facts for you.
1) You are a typical human
2) Procreation is a biological imperative
3) You have higher thought

Taken together this means that while people typically dont procreate with family members, they both want to and absolutely will in extremis. In order to argue against this you need to provide an alternate theory that explains centuries of observation across the entire animal kingdom. You are 100% either underage or have no meaningful education to speak of because this is quite literally one of the first principles discussed in evolutionary and behavioural biology classes at the gen ed level.

You arent going to because you are a cretin, but if you have an epiphany one day I encourage you to watch and study this entire series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNnIGh9g6fA

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>>10932870
>>10939193
how the fuck did that happened?
when I wrote that it was fine

>> No.10939357

>>10939160
the taboo and crossing lines in a way

>> No.10939365

>>10939338
Not him but I will watch the whole video.

>> No.10939424

>>10906608
I thought the Westermarck Effect was found to be false because it only used one set of Jewish families and had a surviorship bias in the data and is now considered to be bullshit, is that right? I am so deep in my field other fields become noise.

>> No.10939426

>>10908803
How do you know this.
Anonymous message boards are only good for 2 things and this is one of them

>> No.10939910

>>10906608
Maybe because of oxytocin receptor polymorphism.

>> No.10939913

>>10906608
Royals like the Austrians knew full well what they were doing.
They just decided that their empire was worth a lot more than the genetic makeup of their children.

For other cases, it's simply some prejudice against the foreigners and the obsession to keep the bloodline "pure".

>> No.10940594

>>10939913
>the obsession to keep the bloodline "pure".
I wonder that a lot, that term isn't new.
could it be that it had to do with a eugenic type of reasoning? preserving the "best" genes and continue having power.

>> No.10940642

>>10909354
>fucking children or animals will never get ok'd
I wish. But it will be ok in the future I'm sure.
I mean I like dogs... a lot. And 15 years old is legal where I live.

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>>10906608
Anyone know anything about a supposed ritual incest among some English families
its supposedly a tradition now extinct

>> No.10940652

>>10940646
Supposedly called the Iron Rose?!

>> No.10940654

>>10927342
Someone with 120 IQ ought to understand the concept of anecdotal evidence..

>> No.10941376

>>10939913
>the obsession to keep the bloodline "pure".
implying that is bad
you really only care about your tribe, and you really only have social cohesion if you care about your tribe.
Modren education and TV fixes that, but rea
lly only surface lvl.
If everything broke, the oil stopped shipping, the currency and government collapsed, I am more likely to save the white women across the street than the Chinese bro next door, even though i like the Chinese bro better. When you close ranks, how strong is that friendship with the asain exchange student, really?

>> No.10941388

>>10941376
>I am more likely to save the white women across the street than the Chinese bro next door, even though i like the Chinese bro better

That’s bizarre and stupid.

>> No.10941401

>>10941388
your friendships change really fast when you are no longer worried about "who is more interesting to play Eldridge horror board game with. who can I discuss books with" to "Who can I count on to stay with me and rebuild while we hunt and defend ourselfs from lawlessness, and pass on our values to our communities children"
If you think about this deep and hard you will find it to be true for you too.

>> No.10941934

>>10941401
when it comes to it, this is true.
a natural fact that comes from ancient times.
but if we learned something as a species and that being a BIG if...you could actually cooperate with this chinese man, work together to build something better.
a woman is unrealiable and unloyal when it comes to nature, don't say no since hypergamy is also a natural fact so you had to have a really strong pimp hand and also always ready for war.
don't start from step 2.
if you are useful for that chinese guy and viceversa, you can actually make a alliance and work it out, tribes don't even have to interbreed, just ensure that you don't kill each other out and not get in each others way.
we humans realized that sometimes its not worth it, killing other tribes, that decision gave rise to the modern world we see these days.
rather than killing each other out and risk out getting too weak for when the others will inevitable come for your blood, you instead make a alliance and preserve that alliance through trading respurces or something so when its time to fight, you will have an ally that can't afford to lose you and viceversa.
but still what you said its true, I won't deny that fact because its true and natural, its been like that since the dawn of time.
but right now my man...we are better than that, if just a little bit.
it'll be for the best to secure alliances in crisis and both or many tribes remain passive torwards each other so that it doesn't come to natural selection.
though...betrayal and paranoia isn't new to humans.

>> No.10942019

whats up with incest and royalty?
why they are so closely entangled?
as if incest and royalty come hand to hand
in history, every single time the royals were inbred or more inbred than the people they ruled
incest is really weird for me since from a evolutionary perspective in the long run its not worth it but rulers still indulged into it
it must be something that causes a predisposition to incest, a gene or something in our very core

>> No.10942667

>>10942019
It's a way to keep their holdings and wealth within the family and prevent them from disintegrating over time by being redistributed trough the generations to different families that will inevitably inherit it.

The same reason it was normal for the oldest son to inherit everything while the younger sons were forced to move out. That way the land does not fragment in a couple generations reducing everyone to poverty.

>> No.10942669

>>10942019
It concentrates genes and traits. If your family is genetically adapted to be good at administration and chess and other things, you’d lose that ability by marrying outside it

>> No.10943705

>>10906608
How does that effect work, again?

>> No.10943870

>why do we still hear tales of siblings or cousins that grew up together having "relations", despite KNOWING the risks?
There are people who are into scat and necrophilia also.

>> No.10944785

>>10943705
It just werks through childhood contact

>> No.10944807

>>10943870
scat and necrophilia are mental disorders, people that suffer them are flawed and defective by default, they are the result of a malfunction in their brains.

incest on the other hand goes way deeper than a mere mental disorder, don't know how to explain it but inbreeding is far more intimate at its core, the source of it must come from a genetic disposition but also tied to self-preservation and a emergency mechanism.
in a emergency and with the right conditions, the risk of incest and its avertion is thrown out of the window.

>> No.10944988

>>10910637
WAIT....did this scene actually happen? What episode?

>> No.10945327

>>10944988
it didn't sadly...it would have been gold if it did.
though...those words truly don't seem out of that place in the show, so much in fact that you actually believed it and didn't surprise you at all.

>> No.10945984

>>10942669
makes sense but what happens if alongside having such wonderful abilities, you also have a genetic disease that will become more present through generation of inbreeding?

>> No.10946003

>>10945984
Well hopefully the genes for the disease aren’t close to the genes for the abilities. That way you can screen for the disease and manage to pass on just the abilities.
Sometimes the disease is worth it, like for ashkenazi jews. Some of their genes for high intelligence and money making are located near the genes for the diseases they have so basically, if you have that disease as a Jew, you are a genius and manage to be successful even if you’re sick

>> No.10946133

>>10946003
thats interesting
but also it makes you wonder if through eugenics we could fix that and get all the benefits but not the drawbacks

>> No.10946369

>>10926419
how^?

>> No.10947868

>>10946369
ze magic

>> No.10948777

what is the optimum familial relatedness to get the benefits of gradual selection and purging?
too close and it overwhelms too far and you maintain the harmful alleles.

>> No.10948903

>>10948777
>what is the optimum familial relatedness to get the benefits of gradual selection and purging?
3rd cousins are ideal anon, no one had done a cycle of 3rd cousins before though...inbreeding with 3rd cousins through generations may end up giving positive results if you did linebreeding.
we need to properly analyze the individuals who will go through this cycle and ensure there is a common ancestor present.
I suggest you to take a look at this article
https://www.wylr.net/livestock/239-cattle/6619-line-1-herefords-created-through-linebreeding-to-fix-desirable-traits

>> No.10949001

>>10948903
That’s barely incest

>> No.10949021

>>10909006
The queens were literraly forced to jerk and take in his enormous donkey cock, desperately trying to make an heir
For the Glory of Spain

>> No.10949093

>>10949001
if you and your relatives don't have any kind of genetic diseases or disorders then you can go for it.
the only way to do incest safely is through eugenics.

>> No.10949577

>>10926102
Kek, I remembered that thread.

>> No.10950873

>>10948903
the fort kroux research doesn't really support the question I was asking, I wondered more if there were mouse or fruit fly models?

>> No.10951218

>>10931333
loooool. Good Read

>> No.10951480

>>10945327
the okaa-san DOES NOT HAVE ANY ROMANTIC FEELINGS TOWARDS HER SON EVER
as infuriating as that is, its true. the author is trolling the rest of its reader.

>> No.10951660

>>10919413
>18?

Are you retarded? As in actually "slowed growth" retarded?

>> No.10951993

>>10906608
For me it's probably the fact it's prohibited and so impossible, that makes me desperately want to do that.

I'm so it was proven it won't affect eventual children, so all the reasons not to do that if both want it are false. It's probably because of christian religion that have banned it for the long time, that grew the taboo inside us.

>> No.10953916

>>10908058
What are you doing step bro?

>> No.10954522

>>10953916
Mom and dad aren't home

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>>10954522
>Mom and dad aren't home

>> No.10956674

>>10955425
>she is nervous as hell but still brave enough to make the first move
the best type of /ss/

>> No.10957082

>>10919498
Starting at 10 isnt normal or healthy

>> No.10957085

>>10939338
This rests on the assumption that a Human's primary drive is procreation, which is false

>> No.10957960

>>10915194
What a slut

>> No.10957987

Islam is one hell of a drug

>> No.10958144

>>10957085
Jesus christ this board is garbage when it comes to their bio education. Survival and procreation is the only consistently observed purpose of all life, humans are included in the super set of life.

>> No.10958579

>>10957960
jewish people can be quite lecherous so don't get surprised when they start shit like that, even some children.
>>10958144
>Survival and procreation is the only consistently observed purpose of all life, humans are included in the super set of life.
an absolute truth but also is strange and weird the fact that humanity had predispositions torwards incest in the first place.

>> No.10958583

>>10910903
druze moj jesi ti hrvatinic?

>> No.10958786

>>10910903
bad genetics.

>> No.10958788

>>10910183
>Since some cultures did not have taboos against sibling incest, such as medieval Japan where the practice of marrying your sister was so common the word 'Younger Wife' came to mean 'Younger Sister'
that explains a lot...

>> No.10959131

>>10958788
the government of japan actually put in place legislation to forbid certain incestuous marriages because they kept leading to the concentration of power and resources and causing massive wars.

>> No.10959377

>>10959131
well gee, that's one thing japan has up on europe
we didn't figure that problem out until 1918

>> No.10960378

>>10959377
Why?

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>>10959131
>>10959377

>> No.10960754

>>10926102
oh wow
amazing

>> No.10960774

>>10926102
I love /his/.

>> No.10960776

>>10946369
[math]lrn2latexfag[/math]

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>> No.10961627

>>10958579
The psychology of it in every day life is strange and interesting, it isnt strange or interesting with respect to possible circumstance that people might run in to and certainly have in the past. Incest starts to make a lot of sense if your only other choice for procreation is incest.

>> No.10962029

>>10961627
>Incest starts to make a lot of sense if your only other choice for procreation is incest.
oh...so isolation in those caves during the ice ages lead to that.

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Psychologist here. Children from the result of incest do in fact have disadvantages from inbreeding.

This study by Joshi et al. (2015) showed reductions in
1. Education attained
2. Cognitive ability
3. Height
4. Forced Expiratory Volume (FEV) =
the amount of air a person can
expel from their lungs in one
breath

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>>10962641
are there certain traits or quirks that inbreed children show?
something in their personality that nearly if not all of them show
I know it sounds stupid but this came to me after just reading 100 years of solitude, where "babies conceived from the fruit of incest always are born with pig tails."

>> No.10963574

>>10962641
So you're saying if we inbreed our kids will have all those things?
Do we all have recessive these exact recessive traits that will come out?