/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10842545]

If head transplants are viable within the next 5 years... wouldn’t you ask your doctor to put your head on a robot if you are on your deathbed? Science and technology are going to produce multiple routes to immortality within the next decade, I can’t even imagine what 20-30 years will contain

[Anonymous No.10842554]

The techies of course will argue that even if the human body and brain as we know them become obsolete, immortality in the form (ii) can still be achieved: Man-machine hybrids will permanently retain their usefulness, because by linking themselves with ever-more-powerful machines human beings (or what is left of them) will be able to remain competitive with pure machines.

But man-machine hybrids will retain a biological component derived from human beings only as long as the human-derived biological component remains useful. When purely artificial components become available that provide a better cost-versus-benefit balance than human-derived biological components do, the latter will be discarded and the man-machine hybrids will lose their human aspect to become wholly artificial. Even if the human-derived biological components are retained they will be purged, step by step, of the human qualities that detract from their usefulness. The self-prop systems to which the man-machine hybrids belong will have no need for such human weaknesses as love, compassion, ethical feelings, esthetic appreciation, or desire for freedom. Human emotions in general will get in the way of the self-prop systems' utilization of the man-machine hybrids, so if the latter are to remain competitive they will have to be altered to remove their human emotions and replace these with other motivating forces. In short, even in the unlikely event that some biological remnants of the human race are preserved in the form of man-machine hybrids, these will be transformed into something totally alien to human beings as we know them today.

[Anonymous No.10842555]

Some techies may consider this acceptable. But their dream of immortality is illusory nonetheless. Competition for survival among entities derived from human beings (whether man-machine hybrids, purely artificial entities evolved from such hybrids, or human minds uploaded into machines), as well as competition between human-derived entities and those machines or other entities that are not derived from human beings, will lead to the elimination of all but some minute percentage of all the entities involved. This has nothing to do with any specific traits of human beings or of their machines; it is a general principle of evolution through natural selection. Look at biological evolution: Of all the species that have ever existed on Earth, only some tiny percentage have direct descendants that are still alive today. On the basis of this principle alone, and even discounting everything else we've said in this chapter, the chances that any given techie will survive indefinitely are minute.

[Anonymous No.10842557]

The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased. Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive; consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-prop systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire is nothing but a pipe-dream.

[Anonymous No.10842559]

>>10842545
>head on a robot
The head will still die. It's made of cells.

[Anonymous No.10842595]

>>10842559
How does your head tell the difference between a machine pumping nutritious oxygenated blood into it vs your biological body

[Anonymous No.10842600]

>>10842545
>Science and technology are going to produce multiple routes to immortality within the next decade
kek imagine unironically believing this

[Anonymous No.10842603]

>>10842595
He means that the problem is that if you're in danger of dying because the cells in your body that handle things like your heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, or whatever other squishy bits are giving out due to gene degredation of old-age, then the cells of your head and brain are no less in danger.

A head transplant doesn't help with dementia, alzheimers, or any number of other potential cerebral problems.

[Anonymous No.10842616]

> europeans and muricans ban it because "muh ethics"
> chinks advance because no fucking regard for human life
> have to use darkweb to search for ruskies that sell pirate copies of robots that do the operation

[Anonymous No.10842618]

>>10842545
Can robots get drunk? If they have a human head.

[Anonymous No.10842625]

I can't think of anything more torturous than being alive forever or having ones consciousness stored digitally.

[Anonymous No.10842639]

>>10842603
I didn’t say that it would cure neurological diseases
I was saying if you’re like 30 on your deathbed from lung cancer. It’s almost certainly terminal. So you’re only option is to get the head transplant you would certainly live

[Anonymous No.10843887]

>>10842554
>>10842555
>>10842557
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.10844700]

>>10842639
>if you’re like 30 on your deathbed
good point. i'd do it.

[Anonymous No.10844718]

>>10842625
agreed anon. If ever memory is fully understood, or consciousness is able to be transferred, im out. As cool as ghost in the shell universe is, FUCK THAT

[Anonymous No.10844735]

>>10842545
Death is desirable and evolutionarily advantageous. Only faggy atheists dream of a technorapture that will save them from death.

[Anonymous No.10844837]

>>10842545
If it were to become a possibility, I bet there will be a sudden influx in people who believe they should be male/female and push to have these surgeries covered by insurance agencies and/or the government

[Anonymous No.10844846]

>>10842545
Your brain ages too

[Anonymous No.10844855]

>>10844846
a brain can live to be 200 years old

[Anonymous No.10844886]

>>10844855
tell that to amyloid plaques lel

[Anonymous No.10845024]

>>10842545
>implying our civilisation wont completly collapse within 10 years

[Anonymous No.10845028]

>>10845024
I believe only certain parts of the world will collapse.

[Anonymous No.10845061]

>>10845028
yeah, highly developed and with big concentrations of people so basically all that matter

[Anonymous No.10845068]

>>10842545
And why will the elite allow 6+billion to live forever? Or are you somehow special?