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How do we stop climate change /sci/ bros, this is getting too real.

>> No.10779008

>>10778980
I am creating now a Global Warming IQ test. This will show who is brainlet about Global Warming. Brainlets will hopefully realise they should be quiet in the next climate change thread.

>> No.10779030

>>10778980
you're not going to get quality answers here unfortunately. some of the more brave /pol/sters decided on their discord to "redpill" most boards, including /sci/, so prepare to get the already formulated answer they had to learn by heart:
>there is no climate change, it's a leftist jewish, hoax

>> No.10779036

>>10779008
>>10779030
>>there is no climate change,
but there really isnt though. imagine believing that humans can change planetary conditions haha. insanity.

>> No.10779039

>>10779036
>imagine believing that humans can change planetary conditions
Why is it hard to believe

>> No.10779044

There is no grand unified solution to climate change. It is a continued effort, a continued prolonged attack from all fronts for as long as it takes.

>>10779030
Ignore them. We exist too. People who care and who are also excited to work on interested solutions. Climate change is scary but also kind of exciting.

>> No.10779045

>>10779039
humans have been for millennia in the earth and juuust nowadays, when manipulative media is at its peak, now everything is collapsing and in the verge of ending. it wont happen and youre literal brainlets if you believe any of the media lies. yes, scientists are media too.

>> No.10779055

>>10779045
Humans have only been emitting significant amounts of greenhouse gases for a hundred years or so. Do you have any evidence that this is all a massive conspiracy and all the data is fake? The only once who has been manipulated is you, since you gullible swallowed a narrative without any evidence.

>> No.10779069

>>10779055
Same could be said about you.

>> No.10779075

>>10779069
It can't, because I have mountains of scientific evidence on my side while you have nothing but a baseless conspiracy theory.

https://www.ipcc.ch/

>> No.10779080
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10779080

>>10778980
look at the climate deniers on this very thread. look at all the people arguing about meaningless bullshit about muh 2 genders or not.
there's nothing that can be done, that is my conclusion. we are already in collapse, just a very boring dystopia

>> No.10779083

>>10779075
The IPCC has a clear bias and motive for perpetuating the climate change myth

>> No.10779084

>>10779083
>he IPCC has a clear bias
Can you even give me a single example of something they said that's biased? They essentially compile research on the climate, are you saying all that research is fake? Where is your evidence?

>> No.10779088

>>10779045
>juuust nowadays, when we have the technology and population to measurably change the atmospheric composition and the balance of ecosystems, now everything is collapsing and in the verge of ending
Yeah, real coincidence there. Totally unbelievable

>> No.10779089

>>10779084
>Intergovernmental Panel
>governmental

Now why would governments ever lie about climate change? It's only millions in potental taxes they would be losing out on.

>> No.10779090

>>10779083
ipcc underestimates GW
https://youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=8m30s

>> No.10779096

>>10779089
So you can't even give me a single example of something they said that's biased. And you can't give me any evidence the research is wrong. Why should anyone believe you? Why do you believe it?

>> No.10779097

>>10779083
If you don't believe in climate change then how come to made two threads earlier on /sci/ saying "guyz how do I accelerate climate change, I hate all of you lolz".

>> No.10779099

>>10779089
This is speculation, not evidence. If you don't have an informed argument against the methodology and analysis of the actual research they publish, you don't have an argument at all.

>> No.10779103

>>10779089
>Now why would you ever lie about climate? You don't want to avoid taxes and regulation, right?
Wow, conspiracy logic is so easy, anyone can do it.

>> No.10779111

>>10779099
>This is speculation, not evidence.
Informed speculation

>> No.10779114

>>10779045
Ah, I figured it out. you don't actually believe climate change is a hoax, you just each to avoid taxes. Glad we cleared that up and we both agree that climate change is real and caused by man, even if you won't admit it.

>> No.10779116

>>10779111
Just like >>10779114

>> No.10779121

Fuck you. I'm going to /pol/ to gather some graphs disproving this climate bullshit but I'll be back

>> No.10779125

>>10779121
I can't tell if this is sarcasm.

>> No.10779132

>>10779121
If this is not sarcasm, I suggest you check https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php before posting another rehashed fake infographic that has been debunked for years.

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10779145

guise i'm back, i found the pol thread that debunks climate change
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/172118443/#172118443
checkmate climatetards!

>> No.10779158

>>10779145
Oh it's sarcasm, got it.

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10779165

>>10779145
You aren't me
>>10779158
I'm back explain this

>> No.10779244

>>10779165
>explain this
One ice core in Greenland will give you a local temperature, not a global average. So the graph is irrelevant to all the claims in the yellow box about what climate scientists said. Try looking at a global temperature reconstruction instead.

Other problems with the graph are that it does not tell us where it got what it calls "Present" temperatures and it uses a very small y axis for CO2. Is "Present" global temperatures? Greenland temperature? Neither can simply be appended to a local temperature trend as if they are compatible. The y axis of the CO2 tend is made incredibly small in order to arbitrarily minimize the change in CO2. This is a very primitive tactic and is indicative of the dishonesty of the person who made the graph.

>> No.10779250

>>10778980
It looks like there is no way we'll do a complete 180 and stop global warming before we're at 1,5 degrees warming, at which it will become self sufficient and we're fucked no matter what we do. It's not like we couldn't possibly stop it, we just don't care enough.
My only hope is that we eventually invent some miracle technology that solves it.

>> No.10779252

>>10778980
kill niggers and sandniggers fren

>> No.10779259

>>10779250
>It looks like there is no way we'll do a complete 180 and stop global warming before we're at 1,5 degrees warming, at which it will become self sufficient and we're fucked no matter what we do.
Source? 1.5 is essentially just an arbitrary target to focus on. Any mitigation of future warming will help, even though at least 1.5 degrees of warming is inevitable.

>> No.10779272

It's already too late.

We might be able to mitigate some heating effects with solar radiation management via aerosols, but we'll probably catastrophically fuck up global precipitation patterns and cause an equivalent amount of ecological damage in a different manner.

Just take the collapse pill and embrace our species reverting back to precivilization living by force. I mean you'll probably die in the process, but at least it's a good ending.

>> No.10779274

>>10779165
Oh also the temperature data appears to be plotted incorrectly. The data ends in 1855 yet is plotted as if it ends around 1950. This is a common mistake deniers make since they keep copying each other's badly made infographics. See: https://skepticalscience.com/10000-years-warmer.htm

>> No.10779286

>>10779259
I don't have a source. iirc at 1.5° some isesheets over carbondeposits will melt away and then new carbon enters the ecosystem withoit any human action. Thereby global warming will become self sufficient because new carbon enters the system by itself continuously.

>> No.10779293

>>10779286
I don't think you remember correctly, or you got this from a blog. Sounds like bullshit. Runaway warming is pretty much impossible on Earth.

>> No.10779415

>>10779286
You're talking about this I guess -
https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-paris-agreement-permafrost-melting-carbon-emissions-a8541686.html

>> No.10779423

>>10778980
we could try to get the earth to slowly move away from the sun?

>> No.10779479

>>10779272
It cannot be "too late" because the disaster never stops. This is not like some illness that will stay with us for a while and then go away.
So to say it's "too late" is nonsensical because no matter how late we act, it will always be better than not doing anything.

>> No.10779484

>>10779286
We don't and cannot know for sure when the hot-house scenario will happen, but we are thinking anywhere from 1.5°C to 4°C but there is no way to know for sure until it actually happens and we very much would rather avoid that cause then it's game over.

>> No.10779495

imo the biggest problem is the conservationist weirdos attached to the movement, if it had an entirely scientific face it would get more bipartisan support

>> No.10779511

>>10779495
Lol no. Sure the greenies are annoying. But the greenies are powerless either way. Remember we built the nuclear power plants when the greenies were at their strongest. Today they aren't even that much of a thing anymore compared to back then.
The problem remains, that acting on climate change is equivalent to attacking the investment portfolio of the richest most powerful people and nations on earth. That has always been THE problem.

This whole situation could not be more of a dark comedy. It's as if some god is taking the piss.
>you need to save humanity
>but first you need to fight all the richest most powerful and most evil entities on earth cause they won't let you

>> No.10779527

>>10778980
Our technological advancement has doomed us but it may also save us.

O3 has replenished itself. We have the tech to pull the CO2 from the air. We could save ourselves from the brink of destruction.

There will be catastrophes before that though.

>This time when we rebuild society I hope we're smart enough to not let women vote xd

>> No.10779623

>>10779083
It's actually true, the IPCC has a known bias for underestimating warming trends. They've been influenced by politics to understate warming.

>> No.10779636

>>10779527
We can't even get people to stop emitting CO2 and you think we can do anything with carbon capture when it's exponentially more expensive with no immediate benefits?

>> No.10779638

>>10779145
holy shit you got BTFO

>> No.10779662

>>10779636
>We can't even get people to stop emitting CO2
Yeah if the gov subsidies electric cars that would be fixed quick plus people are less the problem than industry.

Things are going to start getting dire before we do anything cause we're a stupid race.

at least pulling CO2 from the air doesn't require a life-style change

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08oHlTwFpUQ

Also it's not exponentially more expensive, it is expensive but not exponentially more so you spa. It's a new technology, once it becomes more used it becomes cheaper.

Sorry Mr. Doom N. Gloom but your pessimism is just holding you back.

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10779840

The fact that retards are still stuck at debating climate change is proof that we aren't stopping shit.

www.climatefiles.com/collection-index/

Literally hundreds of pages worth of documentation from the oil companies themselves trying to figure out if burning fossil fuels will lead to hurting their bottom line, them finding out it will be worse than them just economically hurting their bottom line, scrapping all their research into the topic, and doubling down on riding this bitch into the dirt.

>> No.10779860

>>10779662
Would you tell us that out of air carbon-puller technology?

>> No.10779875

>>10779840
Got a specific link, you dumb cunt?
I'm not wading through 397 random pamphlets and letters from politicians to get to the one fucking thing you're talking about

>> No.10779895

>>10778980
The only way to stop climate change is to figure out how to make money doing so.

>> No.10780003

>>10778980
Fight 5G. With microwaves gone, people will come out of their literal opioid fog and become active.

>> No.10780020

>>10779089
>It's only millions in potental taxes they would be losing out on
They also lose out on cash coming from the more efficient industry of people who don't care about pollution.

>> No.10780028

Climate change is good because it will free up living space in northern canada and make BC like California. Would suck to live in the US tho lul.

>> No.10780075

>>10779662
>Yeah if the gov subsidies electric cars
Counting on government action to fix government-created problems doesn't tend to work.

>> No.10780090

>>10780003
When 5G is widespread aave nothing changes, wil you come here and admit you were wrong, or will you just move on to the next tinfoil obsession?

>> No.10780226

>>10779875
Sure, I'll link you some of my "favorites"

>1980 API CO2 and Climate Task Force, “The CO2 Problem; Addressing Research Agenda Development”
http://www.climatefiles.com/climate-change-evidence/1980-api-climate-task-force-co2-problem/
>1998 American Petroleum Institute Global Climate Science Communications Team Action Plan
http://www.climatefiles.com/trade-group/american-petroleum-institute/1998-global-climate-science-communications-team-action-plan/
>1981 Internal Exxon “CO2 Position Statement”
http://www.climatefiles.com/exxonmobil/co2-research-program/1981-internal-exxon-co2-position-statement/
>1982 Memo to Exxon Management about CO2 Greenhouse Effect
http://www.climatefiles.com/exxonmobil/1982-memo-to-exxon-management-about-co2-greenhouse-effect/
>1988 Shell Confidential Report “The Greenhouse Effect”
http://www.climatefiles.com/shell/1988-shell-report-greenhouse/

>> No.10780250

Aren't bigger deserts the best way to reduce global temperature since they reflect so much heat away from the Earth?

>> No.10780260

>>10780250
no. deforestation and coral reef destruction accelerates global warming because they serve as natural carbon capture, and ice sheets turning into water causes less sun to be reflected

>> No.10780280

>>10780260
But water vapor makes up much more of the greenhouse effect and creating deserts is much easier.

>> No.10780592

>>10779165
Greenland is not the whole world.

>> No.10780604

>>10779272
Every carbon atom that is simply left underground counts.

>> No.10780610

>>10779895
And this is ultimately the crux of the problem. There is no way to make money without essentially maximizing entropy, and climate change is one of many consequences of that.

>> No.10780614

>>10780610
>There is no way to make money without essentially maximizing entropy
lol

>> No.10780624

>>10780090
If we're still around and everything I told you would happen is not obvious in 5-10 years, you have my implicit admission that I, and decades of hard science (not vague statistics, low level mechanistic research), were somehow not correct. Hopefully you join the right side.

If we beat this and you just sat on your ass, I want you to remember all the people who stood to give you a world you don't deserve.

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>>10778980
You don't. You just let it happen.

>> No.10780630

>>10780614
>lol
why?

everything we do maximizes entropy

>> No.10780660

>>10778980
When you have people imagining a literal global conspiracy despite governments being so incompetent as to not hide a blow job then I don't know what world you live in. Seriously, these people believe it's a global conspiracy to control energy and money, but if these governments are already operating in tandem at this level, along with basically every major oil company that agrees climate change is real then they already won decades ago and control all the money and energy anyways so why the fuck even talk about climate change? My point is that in order for such a conspiracy to take place in the first place would require them to already have the power and then some that deniers claim they are trying to obtain with these policies.

>> No.10780670

>>10780630
>there is no way to make money without maxmizing entropy
what the fuck are you even saying here?

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>>10780660
>When you have people imagining a literal global conspiracy despite governments being so incompetent as to not hide a blow job
This makes literally zero sense. The global conspiracy is supranational and has nothing to do with government puppet shows. Maybe the blowjob reveal was even intended. There are many ways to control people, which you've probably not considered.

Refer to the cave
>From Plato's Republic

>> No.10780686

poltards out in force today it seams.

>> No.10780691

>>10780670
maybe you should look up the meaning of the word entropy if you don't understand it.

>> No.10780715

>>10780691
lol

what do you mean by that reply to the other anon's post? it seems like you have more to say but are unwilling to explain the idea

>> No.10780730

>>10780715
unless you're some kind of middleman that depends on people who exploit available potential energy then you increase entropy, otherwise you still do so just indirectly.

fuck it. humanity is fucked. education in basic physics a hundred years ago would have helped a lot more than retarded history classes.

>> No.10781171

>>10778980
I know I'm just throwing this out there but I have an ingenious plan. Don't worry. It's coming.

>>10779030
I wish pol knew how important belief in global warming was to their precious new aryia hopes. Dumbasses.