Science is DEAD

[Anonymous No.10758001]

Name ONE scientific breakthrough this century that comes anywhere near to the breakthroughs of last century

>muh stem cells
most fraudulent field in science
>muh CRISPR
stem cells of the 2010s
>muh Machine Learning
Everything invented in 1950s, we just have computing power now
>muh Higgs Boson
Predicted back in 1972
>muh gravitational waves
Einstein predicted back in 1916

REMEMBER validation is not science. You don't remember Sir Arthur "my wife fucks black bulls" Eddington, but Einstein. Science is defined by BREAKTHROUGHS (see Thomas Kuhn).

[Anonymous No.10758142]

>it's not a breakthrough if it is not in popsci.

[Anonymous No.10758161]

>>10758001
>Validation of a theory is not science
That is literally the experimentation phase.

[Anonymous No.10758165]

>>10758001
>Science is DEAD
the accomplishments of the last century were so radical and earth shaking that beating them is going to be damned near impossible. from airplanes and radios to spaceflight, computers and the internet, those things are damned hard to surmount.

give it time. net gain fusion, home quantum computing (if it's even worth it) and interstellar travel can't just be pulled out of our asses.

[Anonymous No.10758167]

>>10758001
MOF's, Metal-Organic Framework by Omar Yaghi

[Anonymous No.10758172]

>>10758001
>validation is not science
M8...

[Anonymous No.10758217]

>>10758001
Are you comparing an entire century with historical perspective to not even 20 years of the current century?
That sounds like a retarded thing to do, like your making specious arguments in bad faith on purpose.

[Anonymous No.10758221]

>>10758001
>Validation is not science

Yes it is. Bye.

[Anonymous No.10758223]

>>10758001
Maybe we've just hit the limits of human intelligence. There has to come a point where the answer to a scientific question is simply so complex or counter-intuitive that we don't have the mental facilities to find it.

[Anonymous No.10758241]

>>10758223
We have thought helping tools though like we've always had. First it was communication and sharing mental workload over groups of people. Then it was writing and mathematics to help us in expanding our thoughts.

Nowadays we have computers and a large amount of specialized thinkers called scientists that all specialize in a specific thing so that we can circumvent human limits by having tools that excel at those things we absolutely suck at.

[Anonymous No.10758254]

>>10758172
>>10758221
Lmao you redditors just got baited. OP is right. You are braindead to take him literally. We all know the true fruit of science is the new insights that it generates. These validations only confirm our insight, not generate new ones. The circle of knowledge’s circumference only gets wider with breakthroughs, not validation.
>>10758223
This is the point OP was probably trying to drive at in his shitpost. This is especially believable given how poor everyone’s educational background is compared to the great scientists of last century.
>>10758217
The Quantum Revolution was already underway at this point anon. We had GR and SR by this point last century too. I’m not even going to go on BTFOing your pasteeating-idiot tier post.

Everyone who disagrees that science has come to a halt are just buttblasted that they’ve missed the Golden Age and are slaving away at their studies for what will be a totally irrelevant career with NO BREAKTHROUGHS.

[Anonymous No.10758256]

>>10758241
The Greatest Scientists were never specialists. Breakthroughs come from making connections across fields and different areas of thought. These schools just raise people to dig deeper and deeper holes mindlessly.

[Anonymous No.10758262]

>>10758254
Holy fuck, /sci/ has been going full schizo lately.

[Anonymous No.10758263]

>>10758001
Is anyone going to actually refute OP’s point and name something significant created or developed this century from science?

[Anonymous No.10758266]

>>10758262
Give a real refutation or go back to /r/science faggot.

[Anonymous No.10758267]

>>10758001
everything happens for a reason what I mean how those people study compared to us now what age and free or not and those guys were like politician scientist artist at the same time without a limit science was entertaining now they have anime games and the internet who want to bore his ass with math and physics desu

[Anonymous No.10758268]

>>10758262
Holy shit, anon has been a faggot since forever

[Anonymous No.10758274]

>>10758267
>>10758254
Damn. Are these anons right? Have we just dumbed ourselves down too much to do actual science? How do we revert this? How do I study like Schrodinger?

[Anonymous No.10758308]

>>10758254
Nope

[Anonymous No.10758314]

>>10758142
This. OP is a tard who should be banned from /sci/

[Anonymous No.10758323]

>>10758001
This is true and it is the same with art as well. Creativity, passion, curiosity, and wonder are all dead in this late stage of capitalism. The end results of profit as a motive only gets you dumbed and watered down shit that doesnt matter.

[Anonymous No.10758378]

>>10758001
>Name ONE scientific breakthrough in the last 19 years that comes anywhere close to the breakthroughs of the 100 years before it

[Anonymous No.10758383]

>>10758001
Bruh, we're barely a fifth of the way through this century. Give it time.

[Anonymous No.10758394]

>>10758378
>>10758383
That other anon is right. They had Einstein’s Annie Mirrablus and QM being developed at this point. I’ve taken this blackpill. Science is dead and it’s only going to get more dead from here out. Millenials and zoomers are certainly more retarded than those Gods

[Anonymous No.10758396]

>>10758254
I was waiting for this moment.

[Anonymous No.10758401]

>>10758314
Have you ever read Kuhn you shitposting faggot?

[Anonymous No.10758408]

>>10758396
For what moment anon

[Anonymous No.10758409]

>>10758401
Why would I bother to read the work of someone I'm smarter than?

[Anonymous No.10758424]

>>10758409
>someone I'm smarter than
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/opinion/2017/10/05/im-smarter-than-plato-and-so-are-you/

Is this the power of our nation's best and brightest?

[Anonymous No.10758440]

>>10758424
I know that it is beyond the capability of a brainlet such as yourself to comprehend that so I'm not particularly surprised by your reply.

[Anonymous No.10758448]

>>10758440
How big is your IQ anon-ku?

[Anonymous No.10758451]

>>10758424
>The author is a sophomore in Columbia College majoring in economics and creative writing

[Anonymous No.10758459]

>>10758448
Honestly, I haven't tested it because iq is an invention of psychologists, who are too dumb to measure my intelligence.

[Anonymous No.10758544]

>>10758394
>They had Einstein’s Annie Mirrablus and QM being developed at this point.

But everything you're shilling is a technological development, by this metric both of those are useless garbage?

[Anonymous No.10758591]

>>10758001
>>10758142
>>10758161
>>10758165
>>10758172
>>10758221
>>10758254
This is why I study math and not science

[Anonymous No.10758668]

>>10758544
Science and engineering are not the same thing anon. Engineering will continue to develop for the next few decades but engineering is confined by the absolute limits of our knowledge (I.e. Science)

[Anonymous No.10758685]

>>10758001
CRISPR is big though.

Too bad the ethics committee is going to fuck over all the cool shit we could do with it.

[Anonymous No.10758704]

>>10758001
>validation is not science
So, string theory?

[Anonymous No.10758705]

>>10758001
stem cells

[Anonymous No.10758711]

>>10758001
LIGO

[Anonymous No.10758719]

>>10758001
Because its only been 19 years.

[Anonymous No.10758720]

>>10758165
War, Poverty, and ideological disagreements have a tendency to do that. Coupled with prejudice and ambition. Ways of life were constantly under siege. If you want larger progress, you need to raise the stakes and create a larger catalyst. That comes with it's own problems though.

[Anonymous No.10758726]

>>10758323
Last time creativity boomed this big during Renaissance.

[Anonymous No.10758755]

>>10758424
>I,a 19 year old economics and creative writing major, am smarter than the most influential philosopher of all time

[Anonymous No.10758778]

>21st century

>2001 – The first draft of the Human Genome Project is published.
>2003 – Grigori Perelman presents proof of the Poincaré Conjecture.
>2004 – Andre Geim and Konstantin Novoselov isolated graphene, a monolayer of carbon atoms, and studied its quantum electrical properties.
>2005 – Grid cells in the brain are discovered by Edvard Moser and May-Britt Moser.
>2010 – The first Self-Replicating, Synthetic Bacterial Cells are Constructed.[7]
>2010 – The Neanderthal Genome Project presented preliminary genetic evidence that interbreeding did likely take place and that a small but significant portion of Neanderthal admixture is present in modern non-African populations.[citation needed]
>2012 – Higgs boson is discovered at CERN (confirmed to 99.999% certainty)
>2012 – Photonic molecules are discovered at MIT
>2014 – Exotic hadrons are discovered at the LHCb
>2015 – Traces of liquid water discovered on Mars[8]
>2016 – The LIGO team detected gravitational waves from a black hole merger.
>2017 – Gravitational wave signal GW170817 was observed by the LIGO/Virgo collaboration. This was the first instance of a gravitational wave event that was observed to have a simultaneous electromagnetic signal when space telescopes like Hubble observed lights coming from the event, thereby marking a significant breakthrough for multi-messenger astronomy.[9][10][11]
>2018 - The first genetically engineered babies (Lulu and Nana)
>2019 – The first ever image of a black hole was captured, using eight different telescopes taking simultaneous pictures, timed with extremely precise atomic clocks.

Any one of these (okay, probably not the black hole picture but still) could end up being revolutionary on the world scale. We will know in hindsight which ones are the most important, and for all we know the next Einstein is coming soon.

[Anonymous No.10759497]

>>10758778
>Poincare
Not science nigger

[Anonymous No.10759508]

>>10759497
off my board

[Anonymous No.10759807]

molecular revolution in biology continues. were learning the system now with those tools, it seems like its gonna take some time before we're able to synthesize really good rational principles that eventually result in new technical approaches. its called "basic research" for a reason

[Anonymous No.10759810]

>>10758001
>Einstein predicted back in 1916
>REMEMBER validation is not science
THEORIES arent science results are

[Anonymous No.10759833]

>>10758778
the world is gonna die soon

[Anonymous No.10759835]

>>10758001
Royal Rife. Morris Fishbein, AMA, and medical-chemical cabal destroyed him.

[Anonymous No.10759846]

>>10758394
>Millenials and zoomers are certainly more retarded
Go back to Facebook, boomer. Your kind ruined the entire planet. You have no right to criticize anyone for anything.

[Anonymous No.10759866]

>>10758394
Probably because they clamped their umbilical cords, vaccinated, microwave irradiated, and circumcised them. Along with poison food and water.

[Anonymous No.10759891]

>>10758254
> You are braindead to take him literally
Youre psychic are you then?
>We all know the true fruit of science is the new insights that it generates.
do we?
>These validations only confirm our insight, not generate new ones
demonstrably incorrect
>The circle of knowledge’s circumference only gets wider with breakthroughs, not validation.
until there is experimental validation it isnt knowledge

[Anonymous No.10759895]

>>10758001
>Name ONE scientific breakthrough this century
- We discovered the harmful effects of racism and institutional oppression that serve only to stifle human progress
- We discovered just how much we ('specially us white folk) are destroying the climate and something needs to be done (by you) right this very instant (or else)
- We discovered that vaccines are completely amazing and uh something something herd immunity so again nobody is allowed to disagree with me here and make choices about their own lives thanks
- AI and deep-fisting

[Anonymous No.10759953]

electrogravity
>Geometric Cosmology
>http://www.vixra.org/abs/1301.0032

[Anonymous No.10759960]

>retard expounds the same "there's nothing new to be learned" attitude that smoothbrains in the early 20th century expoused because they figured they knew all about the aether that existed.

[Anonymous No.10760321]

>>10759960
Name something new retard. OP is right

[Anonymous No.10760356]

>Name ONE scientific breakthrough this century that comes anywhere near to the breakthroughs of last century

The last century didn't have shit before general relativity, and even then it wasn't accepted until after the US government built a bomb out of it. You're looking for answers in the wrong places op.

Anyway, probably the Hubble Telescope and coming JWST.

[Anonymous No.10760376]

>>10760356
ENGINEERING is NOT science anon. General Relativity was already developed at this point last century. Jfc is this board full of illiterates?

[Anonymous No.10760381]

>>10759960
Piss of with the straw mans. Other anons have astutely pointed out that everyone’s brain is now too mush-mush to actually develop any new and great scientific theories like we saw last century. Surely someone will come along and create something newly great but that doesn’t seem to be coming soon given how science has already stagnated and people in first world countries are unironically getting dumber.

[Anonymous No.10760458]

>>10760321

>Name something new retard.

4th gen nuclear weapons
directed nuclear weapons
the NIF (designed to support the above)
the YAL-1 (built off the above research)

This is all Bush 2 era stuff. Obama era stuff includes laser beamed rocket launches, laser beamed aircraft propulsion, and laser beamed power in general. Most of it is hyptothetical but NASA did build a single model airplane powered off a directional light, which was good enough as a proof-of-concept. More recently someone successfully built an in-atmosphere ionocraft, also as a model proof-of-concept though.

[Anonymous No.10760463]

>>10760376

Engineering heavily informs science because engineers build the devices used to test hypotheses, and in turn science informs engineering as new materials and processes are discovered. A clear example of this is with quantum computing and quantum radar applications, which have been developed over the past two decades.

And "already developed" isn't the same as "accepted". Nobody knew or cared about physics until Hitler began an atomic weapons program in 1935.

[Anonymous No.10760593]

>>10760463
>Nobody knew or cared about physics until Hitler began an atomic weapons program in 1935.
19th century French Military (Carnot) faggot
>A clear example of this is with quantum computing and quantum radar applications
These are all derivative applications of what we already knew. Science is defined by PARADIGM SHIFTS. Read KUHN. Seriously what was our last major paradigm shift? There’s definitely been none this century

[Anonymous No.10761020]

>>10758165
>Quantum computers
>Starships
>>/x

[Anonymous No.10761431]

>>10760458
Anon was talking about theory
You, like everyone else, shitposts things instead of ideas

[Anonymous No.10761441]

>>10758001
Not every century is blessed by hand of god, instilling ideas on their best Anon.
You just have to deal with it.

[Anonymous No.10761477]

>people are unironically bumping this garbage thread
This place is shit because you morons and incapable of not validating this kind of low effort shitposting with (You)'s.

[Anonymous No.10761969]

>>10758323
Most of the greatest scientist came from Europe, not the US. I don't know what capitalism has anything to do with it considering a large majority of European countries are socialist.

[Anonymous No.10761974]

>>10758001
>muh CRISPR
>stem cells of the 2010s
comparing a gene editing tool with unprecedented specificity to cells able to be differentiated into any cell type.
maybe science isnt dead, but scientific literacy is. only a fucking absolute moron would make that comparison between CRISPR and stem cells.

[Anonymous No.10761987]

>>10758323
>falling for the materialism meme
yikes

[Anonymous No.10762024]

It is basically smart phones and social media.

[Anonymous No.10762072]

>>10758142
>it is a breakthrough but popsci ignores it
yeah right.

[Anonymous No.10762078]

is 81 genders, zoomer/mellineal science?

[Anonymous No.10762079]

>>10758001
AI and reading peoples minds like computer memory should be the next bt

[Anonymous No.10762108]

>>10760381

>everyone's brain is too mush mush

We've been continually renormalizing IQ to 100 due to it trending upwards over time.

The average SAT and ACT score of the college freshman has gone up despite the massive increase in access to university (standardized tests are immune to gpa inflation which actually happens in colleges.)

We used to burn people at the stake because people thought they had sex with the devil or prescribe cocaine to deal with the ghosts in their blood.

Stop playing the victim of being the smartest man in the room, it really undermines your appearance of actual intelligence.

[Anonymous No.10762166]

>>10762108
The tests have been made much easier. They’ve been severely dumbing down and lowering what’s the acceptable standards (see No Child Left Behind). Flynn literally came out with a paper last year on how the Flynn’s effect is no longer happening and IQs are dropping.

[Anonymous No.10762174]

>>10762166

>they've been dumbing down the tests

Not true.

They've just made the exams reflect more IQ over crystallized knowledge (problem solving with available information over the 5 year old with an encyclopedia asking if you know X.)

Idiocracy is a funny movie but it is the equivalent of intellectual masturbation. It reflects what 105 IQ plebs wish was true. Because a world where they're less special because it turns out they're not that more intelligent than the general population is frightening.

[Anonymous No.10762181]

>>10762166

IQ is useless to measure until 25 where brain development is completed.

The scandinavians only found a 1.5 poont decrease in conscripts due to the increase in immigrants joining over native conscripts.

Immigration is doing this, not people becoming less intelligent.

For fuck's sake, IQ is hereditable up to .8. That's huge. It's like saying kids are becoming less white because of environment. No, it's because of race mixing.

[Anonymous No.10762182]

DUDE IT'S A CRISPR PAPER WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN NATURE

[Anonymous No.10762183]

>>10762174
Have you taken the latest SAT faggot? The 1950s one are much more difficult. Higher scores is indicative of easier Tears pea brain. There’s not even analogies anymore which is a classic type of question for IQ tests

[Anonymous No.10762184]

>>10762182
This. Everyone is a bunch of s o y brainlets if they actually think they’ve BTFO’d OP. I’ve only seen empty platitudes thrown against him in this whole thread

[Anonymous No.10762195]

>>10758001
SCIENCE IS DEAD and you're FUCKING RETARDED if you think otherwise. What field is not dead?

[Anonymous No.10762197]

>>10762183

Spent all my life in academia. All I heard was professors bellyaching over hiw little new students know despite the increase in ACT and SAT of the average entrant.

Because "smart" people are also dumb. If you teach the same course over and over, the familiarity with the material only widens one's knowledge over someone with zero familiarity.

And this is not new. It is well established that teaching and tutoring does way more in teaching the "teacher" than the student or pupil.

[Anonymous No.10762199]

>>10762183

>I took a SAT from the 1950s but I also took one from 2009 because reasons

This guy.

[Anonymous No.10762287]

>>10762197
>Spent all my life in academia
t. Freshman

[Anonymous No.10762296]

>>10762287

>professors don't have families that they take their work home to and live around campus

I've seen more behind the curtain than I care to forget.

Protip: The drastic expansion in tuition is the system trying to cannibalize each other's students with facilities and accomodations because they all know the demographic crunch is coming.

Also, colleges actively try to use any metric besides job placement and starting salary to judge their programs because they know most degrees are scams and those that are not are losing their value when based off the average student debt.

[Anonymous No.10762302]

>>10762072
When breakthroughs are not flashy enough

[Anonymous No.10762320]

>>10758001
Then you discover something you silly faggot

[Anonymous No.10762333]

>>10758001
>Name ONE scientific breakthrough this century that comes anywhere near to the breakthroughs of last century

When we find out abiogenesis on Earth has actually happened more than once. That will be a fun day I'm looking forward to.

[Anonymous No.10762446]

>>10758223
If only there was SOME PREDICTABLE WAY of increasing human intelligence. If only we had some methods of testing intelligence. If only we had some sort of insights as to how to increase a trait within animals that we could apply to humans.
Oh well, I guess we can stay retards because becoming smart is immoral.

[Anonymous No.10762447]

>>10758001
Why is everybody on reddit and 4chan obsessed with cuckoldry?? Wtf is wrong with white people?

[Anonymous No.10762448]

>>10762333
Based. I also suspect that we will find retard life all over the solar system, although not intelligent life.

[Anonymous No.10762452]

>>10762447
I don't know man. I want to blame Jews for it via the cuckold motifs in their Jewish Esoteric Moralisation (see Mark Brahmin's work on this). After all, they did literally feed us a cuck story so that like 1/4 white people worship Joseph's wife's son. I mean, I hate to be too reductive, but Jews are Europe's (and the West's) priestly class, particularly among white people, and they lay on the cuck stuff thick. It wouldn't be too surprising for it to have rubbed off.

[Anonymous No.10762453]

>>10762446
We could try not clamping umbilical cords and vaccinating.

[Anonymous No.10762455]

>>10762448
I have high hopes for the new Titan mission. I will hope to stay alive until then.

[Anonymous No.10762461]

>>10762453
I fully support that, along with the iodisation of salt and the prevention of malnutrition, but why would we /not/ do eugenics? It's extremely irresponsible not to. We are squandering our potential. Imagine how many mysteries could be unlocked with a four digit IQ. I want that for people in the future, and as soon as possible. There's no harm in making a run at it.

[Anonymous No.10762470]

>>10762455
I think of how swiftly life started on Earth after it stopped being a lava ball, vs how long it took for us to start sending communications to space.
Presumably a similar dynamic exists where simple, low-intelligence life just pops up almost right away in plenty of places, but intelligent, space communicating, space faring life is extremely rare.

[Anonymous No.10762479]

>>10762392
That's very probable that we're one of the first generations of intelligent life, yeah. It would still be pretty amazing to find all kinds of weird life out there even if it's not intelligent or just microbial. But then again, I think there could still be a lot found on Earth >>10762462

[Anonymous No.10762484]

>>10762470
That's very probable that we're one of the first generations of intelligent life, yeah. It would still be pretty amazing to find all kinds of weird life out there even if it's not intelligent or just microbial. But then again, I think there could still be a lot found on Earth >>10762462

Also, I can't into quoting anymore. I guess it's bedtime for me.

[Anonymous No.10762486]

>>10762452
On every board or subreddit you will inevidably find a late teens/early 20s white guy cuckposting, saying bruh or y'all or nigga. I know white nationalists who unironically listen to rap. Why do edgy people seem to propogate Jew culture the most? It's so weird.

[Anonymous No.10762493]

>>10762486
*inevitably

[Anonymous No.10763241]

>>10762486
Kys

[Anonymous No.10763427]

>>10762486
They're called "useful idiots."

[Anonymous No.10763487]

Could it be that we're just close to 'finishing' science? I mean we already have all the tools we need to colonize the local group of galaxies, it's just that our economic system is retarded, we spend countless billions on stimulating our genitalia while the JWST is sitting around waiting for funding for a shitty rocket.

[Anonymous No.10763503]

>>10763487
>the JWST is sitting around waiting for funding for a shitty rocket.
That's not the reason JWST hasn't launched.

[Anonymous No.10763534]

>>10763487
"finishing science" lol, ths is like an artist looking at his painting and saying "yup, THIS is it, I finished art, we don't have to do anymore, shows over, everyone go home"

Science will never be "finished", there will always be new stuff to learn, for all eternity

[Anonymous No.10763578]

>>10763534
>Science will never be "finished", there will always be new stuff to learn, for all eternity
But will it be 'useful'? You could learn somerhing by going through your local forest, turning every stone upside down, but what would be the point of it? Science for the sake of science is just mindless ritual.

[Anonymous No.10764227]

>>10758001
If there weren’t any ethics restrictions CRISPR would be taking off. That Chinese guy already made babies

[Anonymous No.10764873]

>>10764227
>off target mutations

[Anonymous No.10766806]

>>10758001
>Name ONE scientific breakthrough this century that comes anywhere near to the breakthroughs of last century
AIDS

created by africa

[Anonymous No.10767418]

>>10766806
Wrong century

[Anonymous No.10767453]

>>10758323
Fuck off with your retarded marxist prophecy. It's been the late stages of capitalism according to you faggots since 1850.

[Anonymous No.10767501]

>>10762461
have you heard of Michael Wooley's theory about dysgenic selection for intelligence?
also the issue with eugenics is nwho exactly is carrying out this policy and what happens when your selection criteria are wrong.

I'm convinced that higher education and demanding careers for women is an inherently dysgenic policy.

[Anonymous No.10767503]

>>10767501
wow very interesting you came up with that yourself? profound

[Anonymous No.10767504]

>>10767503
which point are you responding to?

[Anonymous No.10767541]

>>10767503
Since you aren't responding.
woodley's idea I obviously assigned to him
the eugenics argument is fairly straightforward and similar to problems with livestock selection

The only position you could be responding to is I assume to my comment about education and careers being dysgenic? this should be fairly obvious shouldn't it? more intelligent women because of academic success defer having children until later in life and as such produce fewer children than those that weren't directed into these career paths.
you also lack the shear amount of mortality that was present in the past that filtered out certain behaviours

[Anonymous No.10767647]

>>10758778
>and for all we know the next Einstein is coming soon
That may very well be, yet my gut tells me that the pace of discoveries in physics that have useful consequences in engineering that builds wealth is slowing, and must inevitably slow to a trickle, because they are that much more difficult to transfer to adequately commonplace expertise. This is also to say that the general stupidity of the human species imposes against genius even more than the increasing intrinsic difficulty of their work does--though even that is underrated. Compare how promptly Newton was able to craft a reflecting telescope after theoretically conceiving it, to the enormous distance that still separates the theoretical basis of nuclear fusion and power plants based on it. A similar principle is at work even in the comparatively mundane realm of chemistry, where large-scale industrial products & processes are so little changed from those prevailing two generations ago, that the term "new materials" has become a meme of nostalgic futurism.