/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10752630]

*discovers the secret to immortality*

[Anonymous No.10752813]

*suffers from extreme boredom, starts frequenting /sci; realizes he's made a mistake by living forever and decides to kill himself instead*

[Anonymous No.10752954]

>>10752630
*looks like he's in his mid sixties when he's 56*

[Anonymous No.10752958]

Is he our only shot at Immortality now that singularity has been proven to be a meme?

[Anonymous No.10753646]

>>10752630
*shares his secret only with puppers, because dogs are the better humans*

[Anonymous No.10753680]

>>10752958
In what way was that proven?

[Anonymous No.10753901]

>>10753680
Moore’s law is dead dude

[Anonymous No.10754426]

>>10752958
No. I am.

[Anonymous No.10755106]

>>10754426
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.10755135]

>>10753901
>>10753680

[Anonymous No.10755151]

>>10752630
This guy looks old as fuck compared to Araki

[Anonymous No.10755557]

>>10755106
Working on it. Don't expect it in less than five years though.

[Anonymous No.10756168]

hes our only hope.

[Anonymous No.10756185]

>>10752630
The techies of course will argue that even if the human body and brain as we know them become obsolete, immortality in the form (ii) can still be achieved: Man-machine hybrids will permanently retain their usefulness, because by linking themselves with ever-more-powerful machines human beings (or what is left of them) will be able to remain competitive with pure machines.

But man-machine hybrids will retain a biological component derived from human beings only as long as the human-derived biological component remains useful. When purely artificial components become available that provide a better cost-versus-benefit balance than human-derived biological components do, the latter will be discarded and the man-machine hybrids will lose their human aspect to become wholly artificial. Even if the human-derived biological components are retained they will be purged, step by step, of the human qualities that detract from their usefulness. The self-prop systems to which the man-machine hybrids belong will have no need for such human weaknesses as love, compassion, ethical feelings, esthetic appreciation, or desire for freedom. Human emotions in general will get in the way of the self-prop systems' utilization of the man-machine hybrids, so if the latter are to remain competitive they will have to be altered to remove their human emotions and replace these with other motivating forces. In short, even in the unlikely event that some biological remnants of the human race are preserved in the form of man-machine hybrids, these will be transformed into something totally alien to human beings as we know them today.

[Anonymous No.10756187]

>>10752630
The same applies to the hypothesized survival of human minds in "uploaded" form inside machines. The uploaded minds will not be tolerated indefinitely unless they remain useful (that is, more useful than any substitutes not derived from human beings), and in order to remain useful they will have to be transformed until they no longer have anything in common with the human minds that exist today.

Some techies may consider this acceptable. But their dream of immortality is illusory nonetheless. Competition for survival among entities derived from human beings (whether man-machine hybrids, purely artificial entities evolved from such hybrids, or human minds uploaded into machines), as well as competition between human-derived entities and those machines or other entities that are not derived from human beings, will lead to the elimination of all but some minute percentage of all the entities involved. This has nothing to do with any specific traits of human beings or of their machines; it is a general principle of evolution through natural selection. Look at biological evolution: Of all the species that have ever existed on Earth, only some tiny percentage have direct descendants that are still alive today. On the basis of this principle alone, and even discounting everything else we've said in this chapter, the chances that any given techie will survive indefinitely are minute.

[Anonymous No.10756191]

>>10752630
The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased. Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive; consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-prop systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire is nothing but a pipe-dream.

[Anonymous No.10756199]

>>10753901
>muh Moore's Law
Still doesn't prove that the Singularity won't happen. The future AI will just have to made with a different technology besides silicon.

[Anonymous No.10756206]

>>10752630
*Clamps your umbilical cord, circumcises, and vaccinates*
*Gives you immortality*

[Anonymous No.10756209]

>>10752630
history knows no winners

[Anonymous No.10757288]

I just need him to discover the secret to eternal youth for the skin and hair so you don't feel like you're slowly dying until you suddenly do

[Anonymous No.10757358]

>>10757288
Cardiovascular health seems to be strongly tied to skin health, so you may need to solve both at once.

[Anonymous No.10757361]

>>10756185
>>10756187
>>10756191
What did you smoke, pal?

[Anonymous No.10757365]

>>10757358
skin has the benefit of being on the outside, so it's trivial to do topical treatments which basically is a holy grail of medicine

[Anonymous No.10757368]

Immortality is more difficult than nuclear fusion. We have literally no idea how to actually achieve it and no one is pursuing it to the degree necessary for it to actually become a reality. Nuclear fusion has existed since the 60s and we still aren't there yet.

[Anonymous No.10757380]

>>10757368
someone doesnt know who\at aubrey de grey does
the dude has outlined in detail every aspect of the body's deterioration process, attacking them one by one, and after which point there would be no way to die of "natural" causes because the body would maintain a steady or increasing level of health

[Anonymous No.10757394]

>>10757368
Nuclear fusion doesn't count because of an error in the caclulations and you need to add some bismuth or lead into the mixture to make it work.

[Anonymous No.10757397]

>>10757368
Nuclear fusion doesn't work because of an error in the caclulations and you need to add some bismuth or lead into the mixture to make it work.

[Anonymous No.10757414]

>>10757380
well, to be fair they're just general causes, we don't know all their constituents in detail, nor if there are more, nor how important each one is (maybe cellular detritus just becomes a problem at age 200, for example)

[Anonymous No.10758190]

>>10752630
Immortality is not just one of the hardest problems to solve its one of the hardest problems when solved. Imagine all of the moral, philosophical, social and existential problems that would emerge after we attain immortality.

[Anonymous No.10758195]

>>10752954
Niggawut? He looks young for his age if anything.

[Anonymous No.10758248]

>>10758190
This is the true problem with immortality. Sounds great but what about all the awful people in the world? All the assholes and hollow voids wearing skin? Do we really want them around forever?

Perhaps immortality would give them a new perspective and reverse the deterioration of the brain they may have experienced? What about third world countries and all the people who live there? How is it chosen who lives eternal and who is doomed to die? Maybe it would be a gradual process, increases being steady increments as the problems and kinks are worked out over time...

[Anonymous No.10758250]

>>10752630
>Is a massive LIAR.

[Anonymous No.10758261]

>>10752630
*scams gullible middle aged rich men out of their money*

[Anonymous No.10758304]

>>10755135
>>10753901
retards
>>10756199
not even true. We can build supercomputers with computational capabillities far far higher than individual brains, but we don't have "general intelligence" at a human level yet. This clearly shows that whats preventing us from building AGI takeoff meme is our theoretical understanding of intelligence, and nothing about hardware.

[Anonymous No.10758317]

>>10757361
Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How

[Anonymous No.10758321]

>>10758304
>This clearly shows that whats preventing us from building AGI takeoff meme is our theoretical understanding of intelligence, and nothing about hardware.
And there's a high probability that our theoretical understanding of intelligence will eventually improve enough to make strong AI a reality.

[Anonymous No.10758334]

>>10758321
Maybe in 60 years.

[Anonymous No.10758363]

>>10758321
agree
>>10758334
or, more likely, in 7 - 20 years.

[Anonymous No.10758441]

>>10758248
>Maybe it would be a gradual process, increases being steady increments as the problems and kinks are worked out over time...

Well yes but it still brings the shit pile of problems. For example:
Tech that extends life is expensive so in the beginning only rich could afford it. With extended lifetimes rich make more money and fund more research. And oc because such research is never funded by governments but rather large companies such tech would from the beginning be in the hands of the rich. Rich would extend their life then make more money and in turn fund more research. So only VERY small percentage of people would have access to such tecnology. And they would set its price. Of corse that would anger the rest of the world.... See where im going with this? This tech could cause a lot of unhappiness, wars and revolutions and i BET that this would only benefit those that pses said tech.

Of corse this is just dumbed down interpretation of this problem. And this is only a drop in the sea of crises at the dawn of immortality.

[Anonymous No.10759701]

>>10752813
Imagine believing this

[Anonymous No.10760564]

>wanting to live forever
>2019

[Anonymous No.10760571]

>>10758441
>So only VERY small percentage of people would have access to such tecnology
Show me one time in recent history when only certain people had access to some technology.

[Anonymous No.10760830]

>>10758195
Google image search for a recent picture of him that doesnt idealize him. He looks really fucking old.

[Anonymous No.10760861]

>>10753901
Moore' Law is a self-perpetuating meme of an observation. The only reason Moore's Law has kept going so long is because of Moore himself

[Anonymous No.10762046]

>>10760571
Hmm how many countries that u know have an atomic weapon??

[Anonymous No.10762337]

>>10760571
what percentage of people have access to ANY healthcare
what percentage of people have access to DECENT healthcare?

the asnwer may surprise you

[Anonymous No.10762351]

>>10755135
Apple A12 is 7nm chip tho

[Anonymous No.10762815]

>>10762337
It sure did surprise me :000 50%
And u could consider healthcare a tecnology that extends life

[Anonymous No.10762822]

>>10752630
>"discovers"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Ching-Yuen

[Anonymous No.10764720]

>>10760564
>the year 2000
just look at that fucking number and tell me it isn't futuristic as fuck. i bet people in the 1000's were thinking about 2000 like "damn, that shit will be futuristic as fuck". This millenium is indeed the best time to begin thinking about immortality, though we frankly will probably not achieve it

[Anonymous No.10765065]

>>10762822
Fun read but beyond fake.